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What does /a/ think of Hachiman as a anti-social character in comparision to Tomoko?
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Tomoko carried her series with her social issues, Hachiman ruined his with his.
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>>100239183
Hachiman is a good person with no self esteem, Tomoko is not.
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>>100239183
8man hates himself and thinks that he is doing everyone else a favor by purposefully being a loner and pushing them away.
Tomoko on the other hand wants companionship and covers up he inferiority issues by trying to tell herself she's better than everyone else.
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Tomoko is deluded

Hachiman is well aware of things, and doesn't care.
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>>100239183
8man is a loner by choice, tomoko is a loner because she's a crazy bitch.
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what is this 8man about?
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>>100240117
I'm not sure how to sum it up.
A guy is a loner by his own decision and has serious social issues. A teacher sees this and puts him in a club with another loner that was founded to help people overcome their problems.
I'm not doing a good job at this, anyone have that terrible summary that came out before the season? It was Lotte no Omocha tier misleading.
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They were both retards who ruined their own social lives and blamed it on everyone else. Though Hachiman was a lot more paranoid and that felt more relatable. Also Hachiman's chuuni bullshit was taken more seriously and contributed to the plot while Tomoko was just a gag character. Both have idiots who think one is alpha as fuck and the other is pure waifu material but I think they're great main characters for two incomparable genres.
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>>100240288
8man wasn't chuu2 anymore though. Mostly.
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>>100240117
Hachi = 8
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>>100240265
So, is the anime actually any good? It seemed like your usual shitty unpopular guy gets super popular LN adaption after the first two episodes to me.
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>>100239553
Are you a dumb nigger who can't even read? Hachiman actually STATES THAT HE LOVES HIMSELF. He simply does not want others' company. You stupid fucking pleb go back to elementary school.

>>100239322
>Hachiman ruined his with his
Could you elaborate on that? Because in its current form that line is pure dumbness.
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Hachiman is more convinced of his superiority over normal people than Tomoko.
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>>100240467
He actually ends up less popular than he started.
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>>100240504
>Hachiman actually STATES THAT HE LOVES HIMSELF
>What is an unreliable narrator

Have you not even read the LNs? They outright say he's too nice and self sacrificing. The anime alludes to hit a bit (with him unconsciously acting in deference to the more popular people) but it doesn't go in depth to it.
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>>100240504
have you ever read the catcher in the rye?
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>>100240117
/a/'s self-insert
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>>100241351
muh past
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>>100239183
Hachiman has wit, charm and he actually cares about others despite his lack of social standing.
Tomoko is a self centered bitch.
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>>100244071
It's much better written too, which is surprising for an LN.
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this show was good

ED and OP were great
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8man is the realistic loser character you want, even when he did go overly Batman. Tomoko was just light hearted, in her translated words, 'moeshit'.
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Hachiman purposely outcasts himself and helps other people with their problems because he realizes the world doesn't revolve around him.

Tomoko is outcasted despite trying so hard to be otherwise and is incredibly self-centered.
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Watamote was the most fucking retarded representation of an anti-social person in any anime.
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>>100244454
>AUHPURANE
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Tomoko is a wannabe normalfag.
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>>100239183
One is masturbation material for teens other is nostalgia trip for lonely neckbeards or decent character for people who like laughing at other people missery.

Tomoko is hundred times better.
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>>100244538
But hey isn't she darn cute?? Silly Tomoko that's not how you're supposed to act in class ha ha ha.
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>>100244538
Not really. It's closer to the reality than Hachiman.
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>>100244612
Tomoko is /r9k/.
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>>100244690
Tomoko doesn't even have malicious, bullying peers.It's far from fucking reality, you going gaga over how cute she's acting doesn't change this.
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>>100244791
I meant Tomoko herself, not Watamote. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions there son.
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>>100244791
Tomoko acts in a much more realistic way than 8man. 8man acts cool and has people all over him, but CHOOSES to be a loner. It's pretty fucking ridiculous.

It's still the better series but don't pretend that is more realistic than someone being a bitter loser that tells herself she is superior to others in order to make up for her own inferiority issues and loneliness.
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>>100245043
>has people all over him
But that's wrong. He'd be completely alone for the rest of his life if he weren't forced into the volunteer club.
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Hachiman is how they see themselves.
Tomoko is how others see them.

They're all wrong.
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>>100244924
Oh right, I forgot it's more realistic to act overly optimistic and genki then play out there wacky ideas thinking they're a sure winner.8man is a self loathing 'nice guy' who stays quiet and tries to get on with his shit while deluding himself that's he much smarter than any of them ever will be.
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>>100245043
>someone being a bitter loser that tells herself she is superior to others in order to make up for her own inferiority issues and loneliness.
You're claiming that fits Tomoko and not 8man? Really? Jesus Christ.
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>>100244791
It hit home with me too. I was never bullied, but not too many people bothered to talk to me. I had a few more friends than Tomoko did, but we were mostly a collective group of losers who had known each other since early elementary school so we just clung together to avoid looking lonely. I was narcissistic as fuck and had these sad plans for making new friends but never actually took the initiative to talk to people or do anything beyond going on 4chan.

saged for blogshit
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There's no comparison to make, they're complete polar opposites. There's a huge difference between having a massive anxiety disorder and wishing you were in a social clique while being outcasted as opposed to purposely/preferring to remain alone while actually being able to handle people incredibly well when you want to.

The only choice to make is whether you want to see a clown fail at her social desires or see a socially adept guy play at being unfriendly to ward others off.
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>>100245143
His sister, Sensei and the trap are all over him unrelated to the Volunteer Club.
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>>100245190
8man purposefully remains alone but he doesn't prefer too. There's a difference there.
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>>100245190
The LNs make it clear that Hachiman is completely incapable at handling people well. So does the anime.
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>>100245267
Uh no? The trap was definitely related to the club. Did you forget the whole request? The teacher isn't actually all over him and it's hard to say she's unrelated to the club since she sticks him in it in the first place.
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>>100245578
Yeah, he put in the request but he was interacting with 8man before that too.
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>>100245190
This is the gist of it. 8man is socially aware enough he could be "normal" but his past insecurities plague him. The main difference between him and Tomoko is that 8man chose to remain a loner and is alright with it. He has no self-worth hence why he is truly batman.

Tomoko is too socially awkward/unaware and often a bitter and delusional girl. Her situation sucks but she often makes things worse by trying to hard.

8man is the opposite. He deliberately commits social suicide for the "greater good". If anything, his ending monologue in the final episode is poignant. People don't change as much as they think and shit generally doesn't get better between others.

Different genres too.
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>>100245332
He's perfectly capable of handling people. He has on a few occasions. Capable and whether or not he does so is another story. My point was to contrast the fact that Tomoko is completely and utterly worthless at this no matter how hard she tries (she tries, he doesn't). The right thing is impossible for her, period, no matter what. In the right situation, on the right occasion, Hachiman is capable. The only thing holding him back is his himself and how he feels about the world.

Y'know, unless I'm remembering his character wrong.
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>>100239183
tomoko is more acceptable as she's from a comedy so her antics and misfortunes are to elicit humor whereas 8man is another "baw, i'm a misrepresented and misunderstood loner who's actually insightful and smart" self-insert in a romance ala toradora & haganai
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>>100245680
>socially aware
That's definitely the word I should have used.
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>>100245771
Haganai isn't like that at all. They're similar but not for that reason.
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>>100245630
Unless the novels have different; no they didn't interact at all with each other outside of an character introduction via Yui. The next interaction was the club where they got to know each other.
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>>100245630
Uh.. no? Yui was the one who introduced Saika to 8man. He doesn't even know they're classmates before that.

The only person who's "friend" with 8man before joining the service club was Zaimokuza.
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>>100246078
Guess I'm retarded and need to look it over again. Ah well. I remembered them meeting during lunch but forgot about Yui being there entirely. She's just not very memorable.
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>>100245771
Except 8man is not. Sensei, Yukino and ProBro call him out on his delusional bullshit multiple times. He's unpopular/invisible to begin with and even when he starts "Hanging out" with the popular clique during the requests, he's generally treated like a non-person.

Sensei calls him out on his Holden Cauldfield all the time and forced him into the club for that reason. Yukino continually belittles his bullshit delusions while at the same time respecting when he does things right in her own terrible way. Even Probro scolds him repeatedly for throwing himself under the bus when there's no need too.

But you are right, it's still a romcom that will potentially develop into a relationship with someone. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's the classic "love forever" bullshit. It's more likely 8man gets into a relationship and gets dumped or dumps his first girlfriend like most normal relationships.
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>>100239183
Considering how well this sold, the proper course of action for the series would be to put out a series of OVAs based on all the stuff they cut while making the animu.
This will give the LN time to progress a bit and put out a few more volumes, and then they can make a second season proper.

Kind of like SYD.
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>>100245704
> The only thing holding him back is his himself and how he feels about the world.

That more-or-less means he's incapable of handling people.
The big idea is that while Hachiman often has kind intentions, his more cynical interpretation of the world is often just an excuse to shelter himself from his past trauma and the way he goes about things is ends up being self-destructive and needlessly passive aggressive. His monologues often contain a ton of contradictions in a poor attempt at justifying himself. I like referring to the following conversation from the beginning of episode 13:

Hachiman: You could say it is necessary for someone not to experience what others do.
Yui: There he goes again.
Yukino: The worst part about it is how convincing he is despite not being consistent at all. Therein lies the problem.
Hachiman: Hey, it's not my problem. It's society's problem!

While I agree that Tomoko is worse, in that she's selfish both internally and superficially, Hachiman just isn't how you described him.
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>>100246462
A problem many people have with these sorts of things is they take what a character says at face value, especially the protagonist.
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>>100246257
>Considering how well this sold

Good or bad? The rest of your post leads me to believe it sold well.
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>>100244483

I think both of them are realistic interpretations of lonerdom. However, Hachiman is a little on the pandering side. Hachiman is the loner everyone wants to be.

Intelligent, able to hold his own in a conversation, willing to be outgoing when it counts but chooses a life of solidarity. But for the life of me I've never seen a loner like this.
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>>100246620
Over 10k sales wasn't it? I think it was one of the top 10 best sellers for the year.
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>>100245971
>>100246241
i'll agree that 8man is more bitter and willfully unsociable as opposed to ryuuji & kodaka who actually want friends but the overall plot is still basically about a friendless but 'good' person making friends and solving situations for/with other people

>>100246658
>I've never seen a loner like this.
>willing to be outgoing when it counts but chooses a life of solidarity
I imagine they're not easy to identify if they can be outgoing when in public situations
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oreki is who 8man wants to be
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>>100245578
Why is Saika all over 8man anyway? It can't be his tennis skill alone.
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>>100246620
It sold really well, around the same amount as Hataraku Maou-sama. Well enough that it would almost guarantee another season.
The problem is the adaption spanned the entire 7 volumes that were out at the time so there really isn't really enough to continue with. They did a good job so the adaption didn't feel rushed, unlike say Oreimo.

But they still skipped a lot of stuff, which would do well in the "episodic format" that an OVA offers. Just various times people came to the club for help and things happened. By adapting them to OVAS, they could cash in while keeping up interest until the LN has advanced enough for a second season.
That's just my view anyway.
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>>100246961
I should download BDs and rewatch Hyouka.
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>>100246873
>solving situations for/with other people

Kodaka doesn't really do that at all. If anything his lack of action is one of the prime things that causes problems.
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>>100247087
If they put more filler in they would have to move school festival to 2nd season and S1 would have no good ending (no 8man saving a day but making the whole school hate him in progress).
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>>100240356
>>100244483
>>100245680
Holy fuck, this is so sad that I'm getting mad as I haven't been on years. This is one cynical little shit FOREVER AFRAID OF OTHERS, RESENTFUL, WHO HATES AND STILL USES OTHERS TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT HIS COWARD SELF. A HERO? WHAT IN THE... how is it abnormal to feel weird and try to be the "good guy", while you aren't doing anything useful? To shield oneself from other people who are trying to REACH to you, while you think that they are selfless pro-social pricks like YOU are? ALMOST EVERYONE IN THIS SOCIETY LIVES LIKE THAT, YOU FUCKING RETARD. Fuck I'm so mad at this bitch. Relating to this kind of character is pathetic. If you think that your life is so tough, you should just die, shitstain.

And this is what the writer of this, and how most of light novel writers are. And what /a/ is. I'm so fucking mad at anime that I could turn into Anno. IF YOU ARE SO FUCKING SMART, WHY DIDN'T YOU FIGURE OUT THAT YOU WOULD BE MORE HAPPY NOT BEING A SHEEP SCARED OF OTHERS. Fucking deluded retard. It's easier that way, isn't it? Thank god I saved myself from seeing any of the abortions from the genre. Is bad for my heart
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I think both he is a shitty selfinsert for edgy faggots like 80% of 4chan, MAl, reddit and gaia.
Tomoko is only slightly better.
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>>100246462
>That more-or-less means he's incapable of handling people.
Nah. We're just looking at this differently and I'm bad I'm explaining myself. There's socially insecure from past experiences and then there's straight up socially retarded. One could be something else if the fates went a different way with past experiences, the other is just utterly hopeless and fucked because they simply don't understand and nothing makes it click for them.

It's like comparing someone with a severe anxiety disorder to someone who is just bitter about the world. They function completely differently. So, really, I'm using the word 'capable' not as a means to describe how they handle things, but to describe their utmost limitations. Hachiman could possibly in the future, turn around and become a whole new person under the right circumstances and change his ways and everything could click (hell isn't that an ending in the VN?). Tomoko could never. This is part of the "capable" shit I'm talking about.
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>>100247200
I don't even remember a single time his actions mattered, usually he is just following his harem that does stuff, commenting Sena/Yozora and going eh nandatte.
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>>100247335
Whoa Jesus Christ. I think you need a break from the internet.
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>>100247335
8manteehee.gif
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Hachiman at least got some development.

Watamote was just a journey into the world of mentally ill person for 12 episodes.
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>>100247200
>>100247401
well i doubt sena would come hang out with yozora if kodaka weren't in the club
if kodaka were to actually pick a girl, the club would basically crumble
so for now they're stuck with each other while trying to vie for his attention, practicing how to be around people, and maybe eventually actually becoming friends with each other
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>>100247372
Fair enough. While I don't think "capable" really means that, I'm so used to Hachiman being seen the other way that I've probably gotten a little bitter over it. I can agree with that interpretation.
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>>100247335
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>>100247335

Man I love it when someone breaks down on internet.
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>>100247335
Is this copypasta?
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>>100247769
Check the archive. It probably is. I didn't watch 8man when it aired so I can't say for sure.
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>>100247447
>>100247481
>>100247402
>>100247513
>>100247638
>>100247730
>>100247769
All this denial.

I am not him but I find it funny how you all react with some image response, as if that makes up for a good counter argument.

Face it: The 8man is a shitty selfinser for edgy teens. Or people who are mentally stuck in that phase like all otakus.
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>>100247335
Hachiman doesn't hate his life at all, though. He states multiple times that he doesn't hate himself and is happy with how his life is. Even if you don't identify with him, he's still a good character.

Maybe you should stop self-inserting because clearly you are not mentally stable. Or if you'd like to, watch Haganai because self inserting as a braindead retard doesn't seem that tough for you.

>>100247856
It isn't.
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>>100247769
>>100247856
No results-
>>100247881
And here we go.
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>>100247881
But anon, we're just laughing at you.
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>>100247769
Doesn't look like it.
It is now though.
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>>100247612
Yeah sorry, I just couldn't think of a better word than "capable" at the time. My fault, really.
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>>100247938
>He states multiple times that he doesn't hate himself and is happy with how his life is
That's usually a pretty big warning sign that said person ISN'T happy with themselves, otherwise they wouldn't even need to say it.

He seems more like he's trying to convince himself things are fine the way they are to avoid having to rock the status quo. It's just another way of him keeping the world at arm's length, like what he's been doing with the entire Service Club.
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>>100247938
Wow, you're right. Surprising.

>>100247938
>He states multiple times that he doesn't hate himself and is happy with how his life is

He's lying though anon, that's the thing. However it isn't like most "fox and the grapes" situations, because he isolates himself because he thinks other people are better off that way, and tells himself that he is too.
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>>100247881
>I am not him

I don't believe you. No, a screenshot without (you) will not suffice.
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>>100247982
As I said, I am not him. I find this pretty funny, actually.
I don't get why people are so focussed on proclaiming that series they like are good. I like a lot of horrible stuff, yet all these insecure people who identify more about their consumer behaviour than their actual character traits use it to sprout bs.
>SAO is for fags
>One Piss of shit
>shit taste
>the entirety of /a/ and most boards/forums
People need to realize how petty that is. I mean, SAO is pretty bad and OP has tons of horrible fans but that is nothing extraordinary and everybody should be able to see it if he actually uses his little brain a bit. Why center your entire personality around tastes?
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The difference is where Tomoko will likely end up in therapy, 8man will kill himself because he realizes when he is older that he is completely lonely and needs companionship.
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Question: Is 8atman's character archetype usually called Omega, or is my memory making things up?
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>>100244679
Yes... cute.
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>>100248297
Alpha who acts like a beta? Not too sure if my definition of omega is correct.
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>>100248067
But why shouldn't he be happy, especially midway the series. He is quite intelligent, his grades aren't the worst, he is preparing for college and started getting a healthy minimum of social interaction (club, Hayato/Miura group, some other people). Would you need more? Some people just don't long to others that much.

Finally back.
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>>100244679
>>100248323
Very, very cute.
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>>100248172

tl:dr lol
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>>100247064
I don't think there's more than that. So far, It feels like he's nothing more than a joke character.
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Hachiman and Takumi's lazy day cross over when?
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>>100246873

You'd still know if they were a loner. Just because you might be able to hold your own in basic social interactions doesn't mean people wouldn't recognize that no one sees you outside of work.
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>>100247064
Saiko is a nice person and 8man is nice to him. They're friends.
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>Dinosaurs
Everytime.
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>>100248964
8man a cute in the LN.
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N-no homo
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>>100247335
I don't think Hachiman thinks his life is tough and I'm not sure if anyone who relates with him does either. I think he's jaded with life due to previous bad experiences and they portray it in an exaggerated fashion for comedic effects. He's not an overall "good guy" either; he and others remark on his methodology as being terrible several times throughout.

So, I'm not sure why people thing he is edgy and it's not like he's filled with angst mainly due to the fact that he has (tried to) convinced himself to accept the status quo of no expectations. This gets shaken up by club activities.
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>>100249135
That's just because he's with Saiko.
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>>100239183
Hachiman is a good guy who keeps fucking himself up with his low self esteem. Because of his low self esteem he keeps thinking that he doesn't deserve any better and will often help others on his own expense. But the way he does it is fucked up and instead of helping them openly, he tries to make himself look like the bad guy.
8man is depressed. He likes the world, but a the same time hates it because of his depression. And despite that, he will often value others more than himself.


Tomoko is a character with a shitty who was funny for the first few episodes and then got just annoying. Someone who keeps crying so much about how she wants to change, she never even tried to actually change. She values herself far to much and thinks that no one is as important or as good as she is. She is a really hateable character. Watching her for longer time really makes me frustrated and I want to punch her in the face, Touman style.

From a writing standpoint, Tomoko isn't a bad character. The author clearly succeeded at what he/she wanted. Creating a pathetic character who cries for change but refuses to do anything to change. The average /v/irging. And I respect that.

But holy fuck did she annoy me. I want to punch her, as I already said.

I like 8man better.
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>>100239183

Too late I guess.

Obvious fags (that is, as in normies who "belong" here in /a/ yet encourage sociality, conforming to others and all that, thus denying /a/ in its core) will come at you. Too bad anon, you can't get a serious, proper topic for this.
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>>100239553

Which is worse? Objectivelly.

I mean this.
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He is like 8man but with Girlfriend
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>>100250400
Tomoko is objectively a worse person.
She is basically an asshole with a superiority complex. Even if she says she wants to change, her actions say otherwise.

8man is objectively worse for his own good.
He is a nice guy who will fuck himself up because of his low self esteem, he deserves better. Even if he says that he loves himself, his actions clearly say otherwise.
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>>100250400
I don't know. They're both stopping themselves from succeeding.
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>>100240582

> How dare we do subversions to the perfect master race stablished formula!
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>>100250636
Some people don't know how to change.
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>>100250797
Indeed, but some people don't want to change.
She is the one who doesn't actually want to change. She loves herself far to much to make any sacrifices in order to change.
She wants everything to stay the same except to be popular. That's not possible.
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Both of them are fucking up. But 8man is at least more intelligent and likeable. Even though he can't open up enough, or at least respect himself enough, to see the value in interacting with others, he at least has a good head on his shoulders. The guy has a keen eye for bullshit, but doesn't care about his own well being. Tomoko, on the other hand, pretends to be superior when in truth she just has absolutely no confidence, and deludes herself into pretending others are no good, just to avoid inferiority staring her in the face. But unlike 8man, she's a fucking idiot that still bends over to the stupidest trends and rumors. Hachiman totally disregards society, but can at least see the importance of being independent. Tomoko is just a fucking slave to it.
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>>100250611
Far from it. Araragi goes out of his way to actually help people out.
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>>100251230
And 8man doesn't?
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>>100251330
He helps them only because someone else is expecting it.
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These are actually some of my favorite threads, because it makes people sit down and actually think about and share their ideas on how people interact.
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>>100251330
Man, in that ONE SCENE sensei shot right up to best girl.
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Here's what I don't get about 8man. OK, he doesn't like to be in social situations, and wants to be alone. That's fine, I was (and still am) like that too.

But then, why does he orbit these people that he supposedly hates so much? Is he a masochist?
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>>100251576
Yukinon best girl. Yui a dog.
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>>100251700
Because he has no other choice since he joined the club. If not for that he would still going straight home after school and even if Yui finally decided to talk with him, he would ignore her.
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>>100251700
>>100251817
He doesnt want to be alone. He says he does, but by his actions, monologues and expressions its obvious he craves contact but has been burned so much he pushes it away
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>>100251887
It doesn't change the fact that if not for the club he would still live in denial and push people away.
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>>100251578
Sensei was the best girl right from the start.
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>>100251887
> by his actions, monologues and expressions its obvious he craves contact

it must be this, because otherwise, he's a retard
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>>100251703
Yukinon is a bitch ice queen. I know she's going to win but she doesn't deserve it.

I hope no one wins honestly, but it won't happen.
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>>100252321
She has her own problems when it comes to social interaction. She and Hachiman are a good pair.
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>there are people who actually ship 8man with Saika
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>>100251700
>>100252277
The teacher threatened via violence if he didn't attend club activities. Did you watch the show? Obviously, eventually, the teacher hopes he will stay in the club due to personal preference and the majority of the anime was putting up lessons he received from previous life experiences against his new ones.
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>>100252482
Fuck off breeder
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>>100252560
>No genderswap doujinshi with 8man cumming inside Saiko's girlpussy
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>>100252560
I don't even know what that is.
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What is it with all these 4chan memes in the sub of this anime?
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s2 when
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>>100252623
What't the point if you make him a girl? He has no point other than being a pretty boy, making him a girl would only make him even more pointless.
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>>100252685
Commie.
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>>100252685
Because Commie are trollsubbers
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He's the annoying kind because he thinks he's above others. That's why he's alone. Tomoko just has absolutely zero social skills.
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>>100252716
Actually, I'd rather have someone picked up the manga. So far, it's better than the anime.
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>>100252685
8man uses 2ch memes from time to time. Localization. Also Commie.
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>>100252716
After S&W s3 but before Nichijou s2
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>>100252757
Did you even watch the anime?
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>>100252733
So 8man can impregnate her of course.
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>>100252757
>he thinks he's above others. That's why he's alone
Well no, he tried being social but gave up after being rejected so many times.
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>>100252799
Heck, it opens with a 2ch meme, a reference to this video in his paper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8oCoObsxGg
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>>100252757
He aknowledges that he is on the bottom of society on multiple occasions. Like when talking to Sagami or when he gets all polite to Hayato.
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>>100252525
as if she would actually beat him up

he was basically doing the old "i don't WANNA do it, but if you INSIST..."
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>>100253075
And he says a few times how it's better for the others if he stays away from them.
Someone who thinks of himself as being better than others wouldn't think that he has a negative effect on others.
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>>100253159
Didn't she actually hit him at one point?
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>>100253200
All for comedic effect.
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>>100252972
Do you have any other examples?

And imagine a kid in America writing that. They'd be put on an NSA watch list, the school would be shut down, and they'd have their brains liquified with psychiatric drugs.
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>>100246241

Who is ProBro?
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>>100253391
Hayato. I guess.
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>>100253159
She already took a swing at him before making him attend the club. Judging from the conversation, it wasn't like violence is off the table in their relationship. Later, we actually see him being hit too so no, he actually attended the club to escape being hit. If you remember, he had no clue what the club was about at first anyway.
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>>100248067
I think that's it. If there's anything, it's the fact he purposely pushes away people due to mistrust, yet I think it shows that he's begun to trust certain people more than he personally thinks, like the chuni and Yui.
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>>100253376
>A kid in America writing that.
>Put on an NSA watch list, the school would be shut down, and they'd have their brains liquified with psychiatric drugs.

>Kid in Japan writes that
>Gets put in a club alone with the prettiest girl in the school
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>>100252525
>>100253159
It's not just violence.
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>>100249192
He is still a good guy. Despite his harsh words, criticisms and sometimes just insults, he always does his best to help people in his own way. Not many people would be willing to fully read through the chuni's shitty LN or use a certain trick to get Yui to understand the cookies. He doesn't believe he can change himself but he can change or crush the situation around him, just not his own situation.
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>arguing over his personality/opinions/mood deviations

I thought you guys would have experienced that when you have no friends or relationships and have have known nothing but failure and rejection, you will change often depending on how confident you are at one particular time, as well as who you are around.

In school I would generally keep completely silent and could carry a conversation if required, but I had zero confidence. At work I am the most anxious sweaty motherfucker who ever stuttered while staring at the floor.

I might think to myself that i'm better than everyone because I don't need relationships, but other times i'll think i'm a worthless piece of shit for the same reason, or because maybe I want friends but its too late to fix. I can spend all day helping someone who was nice to me, just after thinking elaborately about how much I hate everyone that I have ever seen and want no contact with anyone.
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>>100253685
But Saiko's just a joke character, right?
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>>100245267
8man isn't pushing the trap away. Like he's not doing some male tsundere bs. He doesn't pretend to be a cool loner and go "leave me be trap" and then trap proceeds to wet his panties. Just look at that gif.
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S2 when?
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But this best grill thou
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>>100248964
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>>100254020
>That scene when they're both on futons and Saiko mutters hachiman
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>>100254256
She's really stellar, although I do have a weakness for incest so I'm biased.
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>>100253578
>dat doujin
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>>100254026
Considering they adapted 7 of the 8 volumes currently out, no time soon. Probably never.
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>>100254368
Compared with the rest of the shit cast only imoutto and orange bun are decent
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>>100248297
pretty sure its called Gamma.
Dominant psychologically, rejective socially.
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>>100253326
He wasnt laughing
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>>100254602
Sensei is good too.
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>>100247335
New pastah?
>>100254256
Looks like a slut
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>>100253578
Of course Nippon uses judicious application of waifus to handle social unrest
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Who the fuck is Saiko?
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>>100253720
Helping people in the worst possible way doesn't qualify you as being a good guy though. I would imagine just lending a helping hand here and there is a requisite for being a functional human and I imagine in his case, he's using the club as a front. See the way he handles situations after Yui, especially the kid and Sagami.
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>>100254799
Obviously the best girl
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>>100254851
>girl
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>>100254771
She just loves her niichan is all.
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>>100254771
>Aoi Yuuki character
>slut
Take it back. And she is working hard to get his onii-chan a girlfriend, I find it cuter than some forced incest.
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>>100254907
Even guys are better at being women
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>>100254942
Eh, she's still pretty brocon. Especially during the panderfest OVA.
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>>100254925
>>100254942
ai ai, sekai ichiban kawaii
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>>100254602
Haruno is clearly the villain of the series.
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>>100254992
Bahahahaha
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>>100255030
T-touch what?
What is he doing to the little girls?
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>>100255135
Well, you know, what little girl like to be done to them.
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>>100255105
Don't be afraid Anon we're here for you
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>>100255215
>5 lolis
>1 guy and a camera man
It was rape
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>>100255135
Showing them how well he can handle the S.
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>>100255215
What?
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>>100255391
Play with them
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>>100254816
It's not always in the worst possible way though. The way he handled the kids situation was incredibly cruel, however do not forget that everyone else went with the situation. He was just the one who thought of it. And in the end, the girl's friendship weren't that strong in the first place seeing how they begun to turn their backs on each other. Which would have eventually happened in the long run. Not only that, but there was never a chance for the girl to escape from her current situation until she left for a new school, and even then she'd probably would have become so jaded from that experience that she'd again end up bullied and alone.

For Sagami, the way he handled the situation was never about Sagami, it was about Yukino and her image. Having Sagami fail would've led to Yukino losing face, and he led the situation in such a way that the only person really hurt in the end was himself. It was a choice between a companion and some bitch. He's a good guy, just not a nice guy. A bit difference.
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>>100255333
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>>100255333
It's just like my Itsuka Satsuki mangos!
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>>100255337
>S
Explain further
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>>100255462
Who the fuck do whore clothes for elementary school girls? The guy is a fucking pedo.
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>>100255472
When a bird and a bee, in the cabbage, you know.
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>>100255461
>the black haired girl was already done
>Post trauma rape syndrome
>4 other are going to be raped one by one
>Quzilax at drawing
Just do a 5° rotation for the perverted angle.
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>>100255645
I'm not familiar to what the hip couples do in the bedroom now a days
Explain in detail
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>>100255438
FFF was better.
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I miss this anime too much. I wish they hadn't rushed through the volumes so we could get a second season. I'm guessing they didn't think that it would be this popular.
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>>100255630
He's a strange guy.
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>>100255916
I guess this bitch will complain about the rape after walking outside in this slutty outfit. Remember that cause n°1 of paedophilia is sexy children.
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>>100256020
>Implying it isn't caused by sexy NEETS

Stop Loli rape. No means no.
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>>100256020
>not having a good argument in court
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Now and always.
Could have used more screentime.
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>>100256212
2D no 3D. Like murder in videogames.
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This thread is starting to go in a bit of a different direction.
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>>100256261
So molesting children is wrong but not when they're 2D
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>>100256343
>bitch don't let me play monstah huntah
I'd jam this sister.
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>>100256452
Exactly.
3dpd.
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>>100256452
correct. how could anyone think otherwise? we don't prosecute murder mystery authors for being potential serial killers do we?
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>>100256343
My moonspeak is weak but does that say "press d to molest your imouto"?
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>>100256343
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Didn't like how the anime cut out all of Hachiman's observing of Miura. Dude is always randomly admiring her in the novels
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>>100256452
Y-Yes? B-Because there is no real children hurt. Ha ha You're going to jail me anyway, right?
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>>100256618
Jesus christ that fang.

>>100256621
They also cut out most of the delinquent, which is a shame since she's amazing.
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>>100256580
Weak argument
>>100256546
Children should be sexier
>>100256676
I've already called the cops they will be there shortly
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>>100255754
They seem a little too happy about it for it to be rape
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>>100256771
>cops
haha, those fat little things with colt 45? I'm relieved. They can do nothing against me.
>Children should be sexier
No, please no. I don't want to be a criminal.
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>>100256930
Are you sure about that?
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>>100256621
I didn't mind Mirua. Even if she is a bit naive in regards to social problems, she really is a perceptive person who cares for her group.
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8man's problem is extremely low self-esteem and very strong defense mechanisms. Tomoko actually has a personality disorder
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>>100256771
>Children should be sexier
The world would be a really dangerous place.
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>>100256930
>They can do nothing against me
Then I have to take you out myself
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>>100256978
Screw you, I just fapped to it this moarning. N-not pedo.
>>100257051
P-please do.
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>>100257051
How does it feel being that guys wank fuel?
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>>100257117
Is someone trying to steal Arisu?
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>>100257117
You leave me no other option
I have to use "that"
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Who would you rather be friends with and why?

Pity is a reason as well.
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>>100256618
Lordy those legs.

Makes me wish the anime was better animated.
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>>100257227
It's very effective!
Tripfag is dead
Tripfag use resurrection
Critical fail
M00t wins
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>>100257257
Tomoko for lewd reasons
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>>100257257
>Who would you rather be friends with and why?
8man of course. He can hold a conversation, doesnt smell and will give me access to Sensei end
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>>100257257
8man. He would treat his friends better.

Tomoko looks down on her friends while being extremely dependent on them.
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>>100257257
Friend? 8man.
Girlfriend? Tomoko.
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>>100257375
You'd throw yourself on that grenade?
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>>100257257
Tomoko wins, but only because she's just so damn pitiful. 8man would be a good bro, and I could potentially steal one of his harem
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>>100257433
To save the rest of my fellow Anons from the burden
Id have to put a stop to the smoking though
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>>100257141
Feels amazing please give it to me all over my body don't stop
>>100257329
Good to know I was able to stop your lolicon ways and now you can live a better life knowing that lolis are bad and should not me sexualized
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>>100257469
You wouldn't separate those 2 don't you?
>>100257521
Yeah, thank you. brb fapping to grown women
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>>100257433
Sensei is the best woman for people who hate themselves.
>drink away the pain
>steady employment so you can spend your time depressed in bed
>smoke yourself to an early grave
>wild animalistic sex to distract you from your relationship problems

She's my ideal woman
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>>100257521
Tsukiko isn't a loli and she's a shotacon.
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>>100257580
Those 2*
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>>100257492
>Those increasingly desperate, obsessive messages to 8man
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>>100257649
No, he can have the trap, I'm only interested in women
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>>100257650
>That episode where 8man came home and Sensei had tied herself to his bedposts naked waiting for him
Havent seen the show since it aired so I might be remembering it wrong, but it was something equally obvious
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>>100257598
Never had my balls been so heated over a delicious tsukiko tummy
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>>100257723
If Saiko pulled a Yukimura you know you'd be all over her.
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>>100257832
Maybe. But I prefer women with personalities
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>>100256930
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>Tomoko
>Anti-social
You mean asocial? Though she doesn't fit either of those words.
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>>100257933
>mfw I don't know this reference
>mfw I don't watch CP
>mfw I'm not a disgusting pedo and can overlook those people
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>>100257945
She doesn't know how to socialize in the first place.
8man is anti-social.
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>>100257933
/a/ was so fun back then
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>>100257912
Saiko has one, they just didn't show his parts from the LN.
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Don't mind me, just posting best doujin about best girl
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>>100258099
Whats he like out of curiosity? I cant stand reading fan translated LNs, they feel so stilted
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>>100258152
>fat hairy sensai
How about no?
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>>100247129
i'm gonna do the same thing
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>>100258007
Anon please sometimes we have urges and end up lusting over little girls
It's only natural to identify yourself with your fellow Anon
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>>100258228
Indeed, it's a shame. Waste of a good plot.
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>>100257257
8man since he's a nice guy who treats whoever he considers his friend good.
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>>100257933
>You will never be able to post LOL on 4chan unironically again
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>>100258152
Indeed
>>100258228
>smokes
>doesn't cook, eats prepackaged meals
>drinks
>over age 13
Of course she's gonna be hairy and a little overweight, too bad she shaved though
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>>100258228
I cannot fathom the infinite faggotry contained in this singular post
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>>100258374
Just say "my sides" this ain't rocket science
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>>100258315
N-no?
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>>100258412
>going for outdated merchandise with 2 stupid bimbos with no friends available
Get a load a this guy
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>>100258533
>"yeah, probably the hardest too"
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>>100258759
Yui's the only stupid bimbo, but she's not friendless.
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>>100258909
Christ, that pic made me remember when they did the band thing for the festival and the budget seemed to be about 6 yen
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He's a very good flawed character.
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>>100259125
The budget was just terrible throughout. They must have made a ton of cash considering the sales.
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>>100258909

>tfw Yui wont win
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>>100239183
not anti-social. just a hipster that takes loneliness as fashion. in case you didn't realize he's actually charismatic
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Is 8man actually ugly?

He says he is good looking but then they say he has fish eyes.
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>>100258909
Yui is friendless cause the little group she calls friends don't give 2 shits about her
And the other has no friends cause her autism says it's logical
So that's Yui is best
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>>100259525
>He says he is good looking but then they say he has fish eyes.
I think the idea is he's look alright if he didnt walk around looking like someone shit in his face
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>ctrl+f Saki
>no results
/a/ pls
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>>100259684
Read the thread cause its saiko
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>>100259684
Don't worry anon, I'm here.
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I love sensei. That is all.
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>>100259385
It was obvious from the start that Yukinon was going to win.
At least your girl got some focus. Imagine how the Saiko, Sensei and imouto anons must feel.
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>>100259525
see
>>100258373

That's official art from the light novel. It's only in the anime and the manga that they show him being ugly. They talk about his fish eyes but it's only due to his twisted personality.
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Why do you keep calling him Saiko? Is that a nickname?
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>>100259525
Eyes like a dead fish. It may mean something specific in Japan, but I don't think it is refering to having bugged eyes or anything. More a dull, joyless lifelessness to them I think.
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>>100260008
>Cute pure delinquent
>Cut almost all her parts

Dang
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>>100260243
I just thought that was his name. I think my subs may have translated it as that or I saw /a/ saying that. Maybe I'm just retarded, now that I look it up.
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>>100260326
Cruel world.
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>>100260326
>No Saki x Otouto /ss/
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>>100258373
Jesus, LN 8man is a qt
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>>100260417
Oh, I thought it had something to do with masculine and feminine nouns.
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>>100259385
Yui actually has the best chance to win the 8man though in the light novel.
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>>100239183
Tomoko is omega. 8man is gamma.
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>>100260445
>Cut out the part where 8man says I love you to her so she blushes every time they're together after that

Or maybe I'm misremembering.
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My heart.
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>>100260572
No way, Yui is clearly this LN's Kuroneko.
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>>100260789
>Translating Sanyaa as Maspurr
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Best girl thought she'd call in
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>>100260876
She was a bitch all along.
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>>100258374
How is this a bad thing?
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What does 8man do in his free time?

Besides masturbate
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>>100260876
2cool4school

Hachiman Jr. indeed
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>>100261059
He's a Sonynigger
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>>100261059
He reads a lot and plays vidya and keeps a journal obsessing about how much he wants to kill everyone that slights him.
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>>100261266
Oh, and of course he has tons of raw sex with his imouto.
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>>100260800
She is basically the only girl (other than Saki) that is willing to accept all of 8man and his problems. Yukinon right now isn't really painted as a love interest right now other than giving off a few hints. But opinions I guess considering the story isn't romance focused and we're only at the half-way point in the novels in terms of story.
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>>100261059
I wonder what kind of porn he jacks to
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>>100261266
>keeps a journal obsessing about how much he wants to kill everyone that slights him
I did that back in school, until someone found out and told a teacher.
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>>100261059
He read a lot if I remember correctly. Other than that, he plays his Vita.
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>>100261629
>Owning a Vita

God, he really is alone.
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>>100261428
What is Saki like? What are some bits with her in it? She's almost entirely cut out of the anime so I'm curious.
Could you tell us about her, if you don't mind?
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>>100248794
I just skimmed the image, and saw only dinosaurs.Then I remembered the threads.
I came back to say,I didn't see the insufferable blogging.

>muh past
>muh past

Yes.Threads were shit.
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>>100261753
I just spent the threads trying to get the Sakifags numbers into the double digits.

Fairly sure I failed.
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>>100261958
Delinquents are the best.
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This anime was everything I thought Haganai was going to be
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>>100262048
Only if they are delinquents that are really good girls.
It's a damn tragedy Saki got shafted on screentime.
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>>100262048
They sure are, anon. They sure are.
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>>100262048
>>100261958
Is she a virgin?
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>>100262218
She works at night at a bar.
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>>100261958
There is seriously only 3 of us.
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>implying Yui isn't just a scatterbrained airhead with no clue how to make real friends
>implying Yukinon doesn't lash out at everyone for failing to meet her impossibly high standards
>implying love can transcend gender
>implying any of them will form lasting relationships beyond tolerating each other's faults
>implying they won't all go their separate ways after graduating from high school, having nothing in common besides being terrible at interpersonal relationships
>implying any of this will matter, because the moment Sensei hands 8man his diploma, she'll drag him off to the parking lot and she'll unleash three years worth of desperate, lonely, rough sex on him
>implying when she cums, her legs locked tightly around his back and her breath gasping in his ears, she won't cling so hard to his back her nails will leave bright red marks that will smell faintly of cigarette smoke for days
>implying she won't burst into tears afterwards, the rush of pent-up and released emotions too much for her to handle so quickly
>implying 8man won't drop his hands-off policy for the first time in his life and sit there quietly, holding her tight until she calms down
>implying they won't smile at each other shyly and awkwardly at first, then full-blown grinning to happy laughter because now for the first time in a very long time, everything is going to be alright
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Yukino is just as broken as Hachiman.
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>>100262218
Yep. She's one of those really pure girls who blush and act cute once you raise all of her flags. Before 8man, she wan't interested in anyone other than protecting her brother.
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>>100262295
So yes?
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>>100252842
That will only make 8man living a fulfilling life and it will make the series boring.
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>>100262369
She a bitch and deserves to be broken. Just like her cunt sister.
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>>100262416
>Implying he won't have to drop out and actually work a deadend job for the rest of his life, angrily pounding saiko's girlpussy and getting her pregnant over and over with more kids until eventually it builds up too much and he takes his own life.
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>>100262366

;_;
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>>100262393
Let us say that.
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Tomoko is a great character. She does whatever she wants without giving a single shit. I mean she has the balls to search up huge penises in class and asks her brother to show her his dick. Also doesn't take any shit from that toilet dining bitch.
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>>100262295
As the bartender, and it's a ritsy bar.
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>>100262584
>She does whatever she wants without giving a single shit.
Did you even watch/read it? It would be closed to the truth to say that she cares of nothing *but* her appearances.
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>>100240117
The man who took up the cowl after clark kent.
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>>100262714
Early on it was that way. The author started writing tomoko differently because it was too sad. Lately she is really ballsy.
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>>100261020
Because it's a reminder that the times have changed, that things are moving forward. Except for that /a/non's life of course.
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>>100261727
She's a lot more pure that what the anime shows. Even though she is somewhat a delinquent, she is really nice and cares a lot for her family. An example would be the rooftop scene where 8man is looking for the pres. After finding out about the rooftop, 8man runs to question Saki about it. Due to his overbearing attitude, she thinks 8man is angry at her and almost cries. She then (while blushing) tells him about the rooftop and how the lock is weird and stuff (which is a plot point in novel in regards to Hayato but I'm digressing). Anyway, he runs off and shouts "Aishiteru" which causes him to hear a scream from behind him.

There are other scenes with her (like the segment in volume 5) and of course her arc but I like this one the most since it causes her to be dere for Hikki from then on.
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>>100265246
Cute.
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>>100265246
She seems tough from her appearance but she's really just a soft loner like 8man.
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>>100265246
>An example would be the rooftop scene where 8man is looking for the pres. After finding out about the rooftop, 8man runs to question Saki about it. Due to his overbearing attitude, she thinks 8man is angry at her and almost cries. She then (while blushing) tells him about the rooftop and how the lock is weird and stuff (which is a plot point in novel in regards to Hayato but I'm digressing). Anyway, he runs off and shouts "Aishiteru" which causes him to hear a scream from behind him.

Wait, this is during the cultural event bit, with the pres being Sagami? Or is this something else with a student council president?
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>>100261958
I was a Yukinofag.

Saki was okay, she might be better if we knew something about about her.
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>>100265574
Yep, It's Sagami. The anime cut everything out that didn't involve the main three characters.
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>>100265697
Isn't that the truth.

>>100266419
Damn, then that means that scene will NEVER be animated since they already did that part.
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>>100247881
I want to have sex with every sensei in every show ever made
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>>100266697
But anon, I'm married!
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>>100240467
Just finished it. Pretty good although the ending was not very satisfying. Will probably try to find translations of the LNs.
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>>100247344
I think he is more like asian Holden Caufield.
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>>100266858
Be warned that almost none of it is translated. Your best bet is AS with summaries for most of the volumes..
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>>100251703
Yui seems to be the only one interested in 8mb though.
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>>100267504
Or you can use this. I don't think it's up to date though.
http://pastebin.com/wj66eJkL
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>>100247335
My brain is fucking fried today. Can someone explain what the he's saying in small short words?
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>>100268143
Wow thanks anon
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I dont understand how he "motivated" that chick with stage-fright by insulting her. he didnt seem to have done anything.
If I were the blonde guy, I wouldnt have just pushed him against the wall, but given him some serious injuries, like he deserved a lonng time ago for being a fucking faggot killing the mood.
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>>100268143
>>100268642

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=My_Youth_Romantic_Comedy_Is_Wrong_As_I_Expected#Volume_1

This is what I'm planning on using, looks like it goes up to the beginning of volume 8 or so.
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>There are people who think Yui has more than a 1% chance of winning

Wow, Hachiman lusts over that one blond girl side character more than her. I don't think theres a single volume where he doesn't think about how stupid Yui is
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>>100268699
He killed the conversation so she couldn't continue fishing for kind words from the other three.
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>>100268768
Despite being a Sakifag, I love the idea of 8man ending up with the blonde girl. It's not so much that I like her (although I don't hate her either), it's just I enjoyed Onani Master Kurosawa a little bit too much, and so if she suddenly became a more important character and was maybe the only one to talk to him/know something important when shit went down at some point, I'd probably start losing my shit.
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>>100268768
>"winning"
being together with a "guy" like him is not winning. even if you win, you lose. the luckiest girls are the ones acting realistic , like normal girls IRL would react: meaning not getting wet over someone with zero qualities, simply for being an MC of a series.
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>>100268699
Yes because you want to spend an hour sweet talking this retarded bitch when you have only 5 minutes left and no one wanted to go with your idea of ignoring that bitch and doing the festival your own way.
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>>100268888
so what if she was "fishing" for motivation? it seems she decided to go back to the stage after all and just wanted to hear some nice things. insulting her was not nice and I would have beaten that fucking piece of shit up like any other man in real life.
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>>100269211
>I would have beaten that fucking piece of shit up like any other man in real life.

Jeez man. It's been a bit since I watched the show so I don't remember exactly what he said, though I remember he was pretty harsh, but you're overreacting. Someone being less than nice doesn't warrant beating them up, it's not hard to ignore someone.
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>>100269102
the only one retarded in this anime was the MC and his autistic fatass friend. the girl with stage fright acted quite naturally. he was a complete asshole to her for no reason. if the festival was so important to him, he could have just taken the voting results and announced them himself. instead he chose to be all edgy again. fuck him and his bullshit. he is a masochist and only gets what he wants.
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>>100269562
>he could have just taken the voting results and announced them himself
And that's precisely what he suggested. No one bought it and then they have the guts to ask Hachiman to fetch the girl because they happen to be busy.
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>>100269548
the girl made a fool out of herself in front of the whole school. then he goes up to her and starts insulting her for no reason? or is the reason supposed to be "oh, I am just saying what everyone else thinks, so you can blame me instead of everyone else"? well, that would be one retarded reason to do it.
retards like him never learn. they are always self-righteous and always blame others. the school trip episode with the lolis proved that quite well.
In real life he would not have a single friend and not a single girl falling for him. he is the only one in the series who needs some fucking therapy to learn how to fucking behave.
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>>100269640
they werent busy; they arrived right after him at the roof and the girl was already about to go back when he started insulting her.
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>>100268699
>>100269211
>>100269562
See
>>100255452
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>>100270018
They were. Yukino was directing the festival, Hayama had a song to sing with the rest of his clique, Meguri was... doing something.

How did Hayama know where to find Sagami in such a short while will forever remain a mystery.

You could argue that Sagami was about to head back (thanks to Hachiman) but Hayama and her friends' arrival actually made things worse, it is precisely their appearance that made Sagami want to fish for kind words. And with that Hachiman had to resort to being an asshole.
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>>100262369
Its her fault only for not going to a private school for rich kids.
What the fuck is she expecting living in an own skyscraper, coming to school in a private limousine with an own driver and her classmates not being jealous of her?
in this franchise the MC is not going to score anyone and I am glad for that, because he is a fucking asshole. yukino would be the only option as the fist girl introduced, but lets face it: the school festival episode showed that she is quite a capable leader and the MC would be a complete nothing in a relationship with her once she is grown up and has to take care of a branch of her parents company.
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>>100270399
MC already scored Yui. If you're going with the novels, he scored both Yui and Saki. Whether or not he wants it is another thing entirely.
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>>100269916
First of all, you're way too angry over this. He said some mean words, it's not the end of the world.

More importantly though, 8man is clearly a bit messed up in the head. He sees the world strangely, and in his mind, he was helping that girl (Who you seem to have forgotten was dumb. She made a fool out of herself by being a fool and she deserved every ounce of humiliation she got). Everyone in the school had seen her make an ass out of herself, and she had run off, leaving everything to kind of go to hell. He insulted her far more harshly then he should have, because he wanted to be seen as a bad guy so that everyone would forget about how she had messed up and instead think about the asshole who said all those fucked up things to her. The way you're talking about it, you're making 8man out to be a bully who just wanted to hurt her, when really he's just a guy who tries to do the right thing and fucks it up on a regular basis.
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>>100270536
>"scored"
no dick in vagina = not scored.
I had girls asking me for a date and nearly confess to me too and yet I am still a virgin. being a shy or uninterested faggot not going for it is just as bad as being actually ugly/unpopular.
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>>100270792
>muh past
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>>100270792
So by your logic you admit you're ugly/unpopular and so are half of all the MCs in Japanese fiction? After all, you didn't go for it, sucks to be you.
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>>100270399
She IS attending an International Education Class though.
Also probably because her sister also graduated from there.
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>>100270653
who says he didnt want to hurt her? because he is the MC? because of the narrative perspective being in his favor?

and even if he wanted to make it easier for her by becoming a bigger asshole - in the end he is just a masochist.

I doubt he will ever have a job because unlike in schools at work people dont tolerate such bullshit and you get fired for that. he will live a lonely, poor life and it is his very own choice.
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>>100270820
>tfw only 3 made. Just like the focus of the anime.
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>>100270820
>>100270890
>>100270948
Where's best girl's at?
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>>100271034
the education class doesnt matter. what matters is whether she is around other rich kids who dont give a fuck about money or not.
and its her own fault for wanting to copy her sister in every way possible instead of choosing her future herself.

having social anxiety I was always a social outcast myself and yet the only characters in this anime I like are the popular people.
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>>100251330
Shame we'll probably never get a translation of that eroge. Sensei end is best end.
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>>100271277
There's an eroge? Off to google.
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>>100269562
You're pretty retarded, you know that?
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>>100271317
It's a PSP game or some shit.
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>>100271277
>>100271317
>eroge

About that...
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>>100271038
>who says he didnt want to hurt her? because he is the MC? because of the narrative perspective being in his favor?
I don't remember any specific details pointing towards him wanting to hurt her, but I never got the feeling that 8man wanted to hurt anyone throughout the series; he was never shown to be a bully. However, it's more of a subjective interpretation for this point, so I'll drop it.

>and even if he wanted to make it easier for her by becoming a bigger asshole - in the end he is just a masochist
I don't agree with this point at all though. Just because you're putting yourself in a bad situation doesn't automatically make you a masochist. Not every single good act has to be self-serving, it was pretty obvious he wasn't happy about losing any respect/friendships he had earned throughout the series.
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>>100271370
>eroge
>not PC
>>100271381
Let me guess, it's the Vita VN? Been meaning to import that.
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>>100271381
It's been a while. I don't remember the details.
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>>100271393
Te guy you're arguing is either a moron or a troll. Likely a moron judging by his lack of proper punctuation and capitalization. A shitposter either way which should just be ignored.
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>>100271038
>muh past
Personally, I find him ending up "lonely, poor" is the point of this series. It's not glorifying Haciman's actions, you don't see the characters in this show approving of his actions.

Also, stop using your personal experience and real life anecdotes, I really don't want to read up on your embarrassing life.
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>>100271423
>>100271448
It's the PSVita VN. You can also get it by digital download. But yeah, it's been a while. And I don't know how much the anon that played it posted about it, but I remember him posting some of the outcomes/endings.
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>>100271478
I can't help it man, what if he's really just angry at 8man for some reason? I want to try and convince him to actually analyze the show instead of just ignoring all the details.

I liked this show way too much.
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>>100271580
Sensei end is pregnant end
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>>100271612
Well he acts like a normalfag so there is likely no way it is going to happen. Someone like him liking any series is a bad thing.
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>>100271478
and you are just a social retard who blames others for his failures throughout your social life and thinks you have always been the good guy while in reality you must have been butthurt a lot and probably wanted to kill people at some point.
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>>100271225
>rich kids who dont give a fuck about money or not

I thought the reason she was bullied in elementary school was because she was popular among boys?
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>>100271687
See? Complete run-on sentence, lack of capitalization, insults that just amount to random flailing about...

On a second though, I think this anon is just sad and drunk.
Go to bed, anon.
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>>100271675
Well, >>100271687 just convinced me. Going to stop arguing now, he's definitely a bit frazzled/slow.
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>>100271675
>normalfag
oh, so being against a complete social retard who cant handle social problems in a normal way even when he's got 3 girls spinning around his dick and at least 2 close male friends, being against this kind of character, finding him unlikable, that makes me a normalfag?
you know, I wish I was a normalfag. if thats what you think about me, ok, I guess I should feel honored.
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>>100271624
How? I saw a pic where sensei was mouth-holding a condom.
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>>100271790
Slut
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>>100271902
That just makes her getting pregnant even sexier.
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>>100271890
>complete social retard
Arguable.

>who cant handle social problems in a normal way
Arguable, he can, like what has been said before. Ignore the girl, do the festival normally, but no one agrees. He convinces Sagami to get back before Hayama arrives as well. He did not have to do that but things went out of hand.

>3 girls spinning around his dick and at least 2 close male friends
Going by the anime, only 1 girl, Yui. No one remembers or cares about Saki. Yukino only sees him as a friend at the every end. I don't see how he's close to Totsuka or Zaimoukuza, they're just normal male friends, they don't hang out, go on dates or attend club activities together. What are your standards for this anyway?

With all that being said, I think you're projecting too hard. Hachiman is a flawed character, he does things in an asshole kind of way which isn't encouraged at all, both by the characters in the story or the author who wrote these characters to dismiss Hachiman's actions. We're not here to stop you from disliking him but you're just ignoring the finer points of his character and hating him for the most superficial reasons.
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>>100272715
>No one remembers or cares about Saki
There are 3 Sakifags who disagree with you, but the rest of your post is valid. Carry on.
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How are the LN translations? Worth reading?
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>>100272715
>they don't hang out, go on dates

Wrong nigga.
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>>100272840
It's barely translated.
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>>100272918
Like I said, going by the anime. Discussing novels is like opening a can of worms, I could do that but then proving my points with novel scans would be really troublesome.
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>>100272715
>main girl, the one introduced first
>went on a shopping date with her
>got her sisters approval
>actually asked her out two times
the sexual tension is definitively there. and if you dont want to count saki, at least count the trap. also the fujoshi seems to be interested in him at least in a sexual way.
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>>100273040
>main girl, the one introduced first
Yes, Yukino, right? If so, refer to my post about being friends with Hachiman.

>went on a shopping date with her
It was a setup by Komachi. Hachiman wouldn't agreed if it wasn't for Komachi.

>got her sisters approval
Haruna? She's an interesting character, I think we can hold debates on her intentions. In my case, her approval is extremely fishy, why would such a bright, successful, younger sister bullying girl approve of a social pariah going out with her little sister? Did she really mean what she said? Haruna's an interesting character alright.

>actually asked her out two times
I can't recall, care to jog my memory? Or was it about Yui?

>count the trap
So he isn't one of the close male friend? Hayama definitely isn't one of them. Aye, Totsuka likes him, that I can agree on.

>fujoshi
Let's go with the anime again. It seems that she only gets excited when Hachiman and Hayama are in close contact, which feeds her fujoshi delusions, Ebina didn't show much of a reaction otherwise, for example back then during the tennis match. I don't think wanting to see Hayama dicking Hachiman counts as "interested in him at least in a sexual way".
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>>100273457
The fujoshi isn't interested in him and isn't even interested in dating at the moment. In the LN with one chapter someone comes to him asking for help confessing to her, but 8man realizes that she is uninterested so he confesses to her instead so she can turn him down, letting the other guy see her feelings without having to go through it himself.
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>>100273457
>I can't recall, care to jog my memory?
in the first and one of the last episodes he asked her "do you want to be my ..." and she said "no, I dont want to be your friend". we will never know what either of them meant by that, but there was something romantic about it.
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>>100271624
Miura end is best end
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>>100273587
She lets 8man know afterwards that she knows that it was a means of helping her. She then comments along the line that if she was considering a boyfriend, she might want him.
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>>100273709
That's a harem for yeah. Honestly I'm glad they cut much of that out in the animu. It is a different story, but quite good.
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>>100273587
wow, if that is true, MC is quite a dick. getting turned down is one hell of a life experience that makes you more mature. you should not steal it from someone else. if that was real, that boy would regret for the rest of his life, not asking her out personally.
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>>100273815
Come on son, just go to bed already.
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>>100273695
Seeing how Hachiman has no idea who Yukino was except that she was being an extremely bitch ice queen towards him at the beginning, I doubt he's asking Yukino out, I believe he meant what he said, being friends.

However, the second time round it can be argued. For me, romance of out of the question, there wasn't any hint of it previously. On the other hand, Yukino seems to be amused by Hachiman and trusts him with work during the events of the cultural festival, I see it as Yukino recognizing Hachiman as her equal, which is a step in the direction of them being friends. As for romance, it seems to be too big of a leap, but I'll concede if anyone manages to prove me wrong.
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>>100273873
I just woke up. stop defending the MC already just because you don't have many friends and think of yourself as a "nice guy" (you probably arent)
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>>100273775
I personally would have wanted the LN to be finished first and then be animated faithfully. The LN provides so much more, and the wordplay this series has is great.

>In the end Hachiman talked to Ebina, who notes that her reason that she’s insecure is that she’s “rotten”. Hachiman noted that this is very similar to a certain someone’s reason to be insecure. (Wordplay, fujoshi literally means “rotten woman”. While Hachiman said he has a “rotten” personality)...
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>>100274077
Yes, and has plenty of good literature references too.
Much of this would be lost in the anime though either way.
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>>100273815
Again, Hachiman in this case can't wait for Tobe to crash and burn after being turned down. However, Yukino and Yui both expect him to comply with Tobe's request, that is to succeed. It doesn't help with the fujoshi herself asks Hachiman to soften the blow for Tobe and keeping their clique intact since a rejection for Tobe would kill the life of their small group.

And that's the gist of it. From that alone you can see that Hachiman is a stupidly kind person and loyal to the requests made towards the club, Tobe even thank Hachiman at the end for his subtle efforts after recognizing it. The others... well it's another issue entirely.
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I was genuinely like 8man, just that I did a pretty good job interacting with people and I wasn't a complete cunt with everybody.
I just sacrificed my public self-image to the benefit of others, sometimes acting like him for the sake of the greater good. Because I knew they might need a helping hand, so I lent them one, maybe not the most gentle one, but it still helped.

Tomoko is just a whore who blames other people for her faults. 8man is a hero.
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>>100274222
Stop Replying already.
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>>100274293
>I was genuinely like 8man

lol shut the hell up faggot
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Volume 7, Chapter 7's done.

Chapter 8 in god who knows how long.
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>>100248159
Did you even watch the anime?
He doesn't even "try" to convince himself. The fox and the grapes? Seriously?
Fuck off, it's clear that you either haven't watched the show or you're mentally challenged. Stop acting like you're Freud.
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>>100274222
that sounds really, really far-fetched. I think you overestimate human emotions. people can stop loving each other and they can get along after a fight after some time.
the whole planning and manipulating of others and his own relationships is the main reason for me not to like the MC. I bet if he was female and a side character you would see such traits in a bad way too.
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>>100274406
Link? I'm not sure where to find LN's
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>>100274414
And you haven't read the LN. But go on getting offended.
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>>100274414
>He doesn't even "try" to convince himself
Huh, I didn't know he's not trying to convince himself here that liking girls isn't worth it.
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>>100274403
>lol
>faggot
Back to/b/ where you belong.
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>>100274580
That belongs in a cringe thread. Such shit.
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>>100274621
Just report him. He's been shitposting in this thread for a while now.
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>>100274526
>I think you overestimate human emotions. people can stop loving each other and they can get along after a fight after some time.
Gee, I don't know, it differs from person to person and I rather not bring up real life experience, I can spin all kinds of tales on an anonymous image board. But that's not the point, the thing is Hachiman now feels the need to live up to the expectations of his friends and everything goes haywire.

>the whole planning and manipulating of others and his own relationships
That I can agree on, he really does treat relationships like shit because of his so-called loner code, but then he's a hypocrite for wanting to build relationship.

>>100274632
It's a loner's delusions, of course it's cringe-worth and full of lies intending to make oneself feel better.
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>>100274542
Like probably half of this board. Pretty sure we're talking bout the anime.

>>100274580
It's in the anime as well, and you can understand him, as he's been forever rejected all of his life so he hates nice girls because he ends up falling for them and ultimately gets his heart broken. Things like that are what make him an /a/ approved hero.
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>>100274638
>there is only one person on 4chan typing without capaitalzation
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>>100239183
Hachiman is a good dude. That's why his anime was a drama.

Tomoko is rotten to the core. Hence why she starred in a comedy.

Both are lonely but in one case you can't stop but feeling bad about one of them. The other one deserves it and you feel nice because she is ignored and ostracized.
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The point of Yahari is that 8man wasn't a dick all the time, he just did it for the sake of others (like the festival/singing scene) and you can see it pretty well. He ends up sacrificing his social life for other people, and he's able to do so because being a loner grants him immunity (as he doesn't give a fuck bout his life).

See the episode in which he saves the dog and ends up hospitalized for that. If you couldn't read through the obvious lines you're retarded and you might, as someone said earlier ITT, go watch some dumb harem for retarded people as yourself.
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>>100275014
>Tomoko deserves it
Normalfag, please go. It is easy to share and then feel great about how nice you are if you are successful. If you are a failure on the other hand, you will naturally have a hateful, selfish personality. People are not really responsible for their character; it is just as determined as everything else.
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>>100275216
> People are not really responsible for their character;

Tomoko please go.
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>>100274528
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=My_Youth_Romantic_Comedy_Is_Wrong_As_I_Expected
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>>100275139
nobody asks him to sacrifice anything. people not getting along is pretty natural and no person on earth doesnt give a fuck about his own life.
drama is part of human life and trying to avoid it by being a manipulative cunt is a dick move, regardless of good intentions.
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8man is like Shinji of Romcom, normalfag will never understand why he behavior that way and assume that he is retarded or edgy.
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>>100275306
No, he makes a good point. People end up boxed into the roles society assigns them. Just look at the Stanford Prison experiment.
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>>100275394
Oh wow. Why are there only random chapters translated? You would think they would go in order.
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>>100254762
Fuck. I've never thought about what sensei is saying... That must be why my family members look so gloomy everytime they look at my recluse NEETness.
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>>100275401
>nobody asks him to sacrifice anything.
They did ask him to find the attention whore and he pull her back on stage by his way.
>being a manipulative cunt
He isn't, he is more of a bad guy type that motivate you to be better, looking at him just make you want to not being like him, and he's ok with that.
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>>100275401
That was completely retarded and half of it wasn't even applicable. Yes, people don't outright ask him to sacrifice anything but they do ask him to do stuff. Given his personality, they should know full well what course he'll take. Yes, people don't always get along but I'm not even sure what you are getting at especially with the latter part. It's not applicable to Hachiman as he isn't someone who doesn't give a fuck about his own life. He isn't contemplating suicide or anything remotely close; but he tries not to place large attachments to the relationships established due to past experience.

The next sentence is somehow dumber. I understand if you can't relate or like his character but that's some pretty retarded reasoning going on.
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I liked Hayato. I liked how he was smart enough to use those around him and still have the nice guy image.
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>>100274632
Normie detected.

>>100274752
It's not full of lies. In fact, there isn't a single lie in that monologue.
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Best subs for yahari? I see commie but wasn't FFF preferred?
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>>100276297
WhyNot for the translation.
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>>100275899
From the summery for volume 6.

*One thing to note, there's something special about the door to the rooftop, there's a lock so it can't be opened from the inside, you need to jerk the lock from the outside until it loosens then you can remove it. There's a chance that Sagami might be locked up there, and Hayato being able to find Sagami in such a short time and right after his live performance is suspicious indeed. That's one of the many "evil Hayato" theories out there.
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>>100276385
Thanks, they even got a TV batch out.
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>>100252479
>Dat hedgehogs dilemma.
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>>100276462
See, this is why I like him. He could always follow Hachiman's antics and counter them where the other "popular kids" were completely clueless.
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Could 'Hachiman' be an actual name in Japan? would it be just as weird as someone being named Eightman?
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>>100278401
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachiman
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>>100278401
>god of archery and war

I'll take it. Also remember that it's not "8-man" literally depending on the obscure name Kanji used.
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>>100278508
>>100278401
man is not the same in japanese as in english
I just wanted to bump the thread
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>Not qt smelly tomo chan
don't care



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