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>Blu-ray Discs contain 25 GB per layer
>Dual layer discs (50 GB) being the industry standard for feature-length video discs
>Japan still puts 2 episodes on a BD and charges over 6K for them

Is there a point to this besides money? I know abroad it's mostly boxset sales since the days of single 4-episode DVDs drove several companies out of existence (ADV and Geneon come to mind).
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VN translation when? sage
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>>100236724
>>Japan still puts 2 episodes on a BD and charges over 6K for them

Sometimes 3.
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>>100236907

That's usually the case if it's more than one cour.
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>>100236724
>Is there a point to this besides money?
Is there any point to anime besides money?
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>>100236993
Causing moe-induced heart attacks to funnel more government money to doctors? Doctors whom secretly fund the anime companies?
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>>100236993
All money. Japan knows the otaku will throw money if the show is good and/or has nice goodies included. Really, they put English subs on their BDs but rarely. They should just do that for all BDs with other major languages included and bam. Profits will jump 70% because the whole world is now involved with Japan's industry, hence more translated LNs, manga, etc and more seasons for shows. ThanK me later, Japan
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>>100236907
not for the same price though.
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>>100237364
>the whole world speaks English
>people will actually buy overpriced shit just because it has English subs
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>>100236724
>Is there a point to this besides money?
1. It's a business.
2. What is inelasticity?
Also, JP discs cost that much as they're fronting about 2 million or more for the whole series production (1 cour) whereas NA discs expenses for licensing and dubbing are significantly less.
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>>100237486
>other major languages
>implying otaku all over the world won't hemorrhage money at BDs if they have subs in their language
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>>100236724
Isn't that why Nichijou sold like absolute shit? They tried to release as many BDs as possible to try and recoup the high animation budget.
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Oh, is it time for us to be lewd again?
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>>100237486
Go check out the daily buyfag thread. I've bought some subbed BDs just to support the series. It sounds retarded (it kind of is), but this is otaku we're talking about.
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>>100236976
>>100237558
it's "cours", not "cour".
pls, do it right if you want to sound cool.
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>>100237623
>implying otaku don't know Japanese
>implying you buy BDs to watch them and not to support the shows you like
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>>100237651
This is a lie. Nichijou's BD weren't any different from any other series' (I think they were like 500 yen more expensive... that's like 5$).
The reason it didn't sell was because, even though it was quite popular, its popularity rested mostly in people that wouldn't buy anime... because, you know? Buying anime in Japan is like buying brony merchandise in the rest of the world.
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>>100237623
Even if half the world consists of a clusterfuck of minor languages, that's still half the world you aren't getting access to with English subs.
And the only """otaku""" in other parts of the world who would cough up the money for moon BDs and shipping are already doing so. It's not going to open some amazing new market.
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>>100237853
Nonsense. Anime merch carries nowhere near as much stigma.
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>>100237935
Go to AmiAmi. You'll be surprised by what you see.

>>100237884
""""""""""otaku""""""""""*
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>>100237935
You still don't know how Japan works, do you? There, if you deviate from the norm in any way, it's already a social stigma. Liking anime when you are a kid is normal, so it's fine. Liking anime when you are a teen is not, and therefore, you'll be looked down upon (let's not say if you are an adult). It's so extreme, that they don't even talk about series they watched as kids, because, they are not supposed to know about those now that they are not kids anymore, so if they mention them, they'll be looked down upon. Yes, Japan is a shitty country.
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>>100237998
Needs more quotation marks. And greentext just to be safe.
>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""otaku"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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Who cares? They have code that means that standard cables get cut to 1/4 quality despite being perfectly capable of transmitting HD and are in shitty UDF instead of something like ISO, who would want to use BD when DVD and fucking 6-tracks are superior in every way?
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You can break-even on most average budget series with around 2,700 bluray sales, with each series priced at $70 per 2 episodes. Hardcore otaku are the only ones who even bother buying these, the price doesn't matter much. Though, its also very easy for an anime to flop, especially if its high budget like Nichijou supposedly was, since it had great animation.
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It's a smaller market.. or sort of a niche market. They have to skim due to expensive animation and enormous amount of time to produce a series. It's the only way they can make profit. Very much similar to what Apple has been doing for years.
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Id never pay more than 50 dollars for a whole series. Ive bought a few I bet japs would be jelly as fuck if they knew.
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>>100238190
Pretty sure the break-even point for animation costs on just disc sales is higher, like around 4-5k. Manabi line is bullshit. But most shows aren't meant to profit on just disc sales.
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>>100238260
Try searching amazon.jp some time. There's quite a few R1 sets up on the market place. So yes, they know. Why do think we get fucked around on Bluray releases so often?
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>>100238260
Unless you managed to pick up some rare LDs or something I doubt it. They get high quality BDs while you get low quality TV versions.
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>>100238088
A japanese guy i know told me all of this. it's true. being an anime fan in japan is like being a fucking 'brony' here.

It's much more acceptable to read manga, which explains why he had a huge library of manga and never saw the anime adaptations of all of his favorite ones.
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>>100238374
>you get low quality TV versions
I can only think of a few instances where a company put out TV masters for a series. Normally it's a knee-capped interlaced video rather than the usual progressive.
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>>100238390
I agree, manga master race anime is for degenerates.
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>>100238088
It can't be that extreme. Teens and adults read LNs and manga in public there. It only took me till my second train ride there to find someone reading jump. That sounds much closer to how americans treat comic books and cartoons.
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>>100238088
The irony is that some would argue that this constant pressure to conform is what creates Japan's super devoted subcultures.
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>>100238581
Again, LN/manga is actually fine. most anime is still for losers
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>>100238581
Because manga is all right. I don't know exactly what's the logic there, but normalfags read manga, but they don't watch anime. See >>100238390
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Funny how LNs in the West died.
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>>100238274
Why do you say 4-5k? Manabi line has an industry insider as a source and 4-5k would be for something good animation most of the time.
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>>100238629
>>100238644
So if I talk about a series that aired but I read it's manga, do I need to specify that I read the manga and didn't watch it or what?
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I always wondered about the quality of the english subs when they're included with a JP BD. There's a $250 K-ON limited BD set with lots of goodies and it's english subbed. That was the final deal breaker for me.
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>>100238778
The Manabi line is only relevant to ufotable, Manabi Straight and said production committee. I thought this was debunked a few years ago but yet it still gets passed around as applicable fact for every production committee.
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>>100236724
Here you go
>http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=509853
>http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=509855
>http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=508587
>http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=510112
3 episodes is max for BD sometimes 4 but it's rare, 13 ep, 2ep per volume with 3ep volume 6 or 13 ep, 3ep per volume with 1ep volume 1 and this is why you have 5/6 volume 2-3 episodes each
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Why don't they just put as many eps as they can onto one disc and charge the full price for the series?
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>>100238644
> I don't know exactly what's the logic there

My guess is that manga has a much more diverse array of genres while anime is more centered on the core otaku markets.

Everything has a manga but not every manga has an anime.
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>>100238778
Oh, and about the 4-5k number, average production costs are around 25-30 million yen for 12/13 episodes. Given that not all the money in the MSRP 6,500 yen goes to the financers, ~2,700 sales seems unreasonably low, even for bargain basement studioes like DEEN.
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>>100239072
Then you don't get as much nice packaging. You don't get to fill your shelf with the same series.
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>>100238980
It's still used because it's the only even remotely verified measure of a shows profitability. It provides a vague guide if nothing else.
Of course, some faggots don't understand the concept of vague or understand that it assumes BDs are the only revenue source.
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>>100239072
I think BD are sometimes released while the show is still airing so not all episodes are ready for a single disc release what with error corrections and what not.

As why they release BD while the show's still on air, well you gotta strike while the iron is hot, you know.
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>>100239072
Episodes are about 8gigs. You can't get that many on even a BD50. Though the boxset release concept does happen occasionally with JP releases, but it's pretty risky.
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>>100238747
When the release schedule is one volume every six months, even though the licence wasn't bought until 10+ volumes were already out in Japan, people get tired of that shit real quick.
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>>100239207
IMO I think it's so vague is completely useless. Way too many variables that we don't know about on the production side, and as you said, retail.

I mean, it's useless when ufotable says "we aaaalmost made money on 2.7k sales" and DEEN pops out four seasons of Marimite on less.
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>>100238747
What killed LNs: Prose translation is fucking expensive and nobody knew how to market this shit. Look at Yen Press's fuss-up with the first two volumes of Spice and Wolf. Didn't help that we started getting LNs just on the crest of the manga bubble.
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>>100238980
It's something to go on. It's a given that costs will fluctuate studio to studio and sponsor to sponsor so it's only natural that it'd be taken a measuring stick as opposed to completely dismissing it outright and with the advent of new technologies and techniques, it wouldn't be too far a stretch to assume that a show with a better animation could be produced at those costs now.

What I want to know is why you'd say it's close to 4-5k than it is to 3k. The industry has been bleeding money producing the stuff so I can't imagine them maintaining or even raising the standard to a breakeven point that only at best 6~10 shows get to every season.
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>>100239359
True. You tried, Tokyo Pop...now I'll never get Gosick's vol 2 because of the insane prices due to it being cancelled.
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>>100236724
Learn basic economics.
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>>100239072
Because it's much easier for people to pay 5-7k every month than to shell out 35k+ at once.
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>>100239486
Yen Press? More like Slow Press! But, yeah you're right. The west just can't market LNs in the west.
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>>100239502
Ugh. I remember being a mod there and being able to talk to editors about new series they were trying to promote.

POP Fiction was a shit show from the first day apparently. And then a viral campaign for one of the series (I think Missing) backfired and pretty much got the marketing group shut down for being asshats.
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>>100239411
Counting BD sales is a useless exercise in the first place. Including one practically useless milestone doesn't make much difference and it's minutely closer to being relevant than whatever other arbitrary milestones they'd come up with anyway. At the very least it gives them something to fight over.
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>>100239617
They at least picked up the pace two years back so they'll be finished by... 2016?

>>100239640
>>100239502
It's amusing how much praise TokyoPop got when they started the whole "authentic manga" racket, and compare it to how much they're shit on nowadays by the companies that survived the crash.
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>>100239487
Because most shows don't rely on BD sales alone. Learn how production committees work. For some shows, BD sales barely even matter. That's the reason you don't see adaptations of finished\stalled source - there's no new source material to promote.
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>>100239502
What I want to know is why they decided to replace Kuroboshi's 2 page illustrations with a bunch thumbnails and then nothing else but black.

>>100239486
> Look at Yen Press's fuss-up with the first two volumes of Spice and Wolf.

Oh yes, their "make it look like a Twilight rip off, claim it's to give it mass appeal, but still have that shit rammed in the manga section of the book store next to Super Kawaii High School Girl Robot Zombie Massacre Unlimited" approach.
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>>100239769
I never cared much for them. I just found it amusing talking to editors (several of which were let go during they're first downsizing).

Some actually made very good for themselves afterwards, but the most common thing I would hear from them is that Levy was a terrible businessman. Mixx was started as a vanity publishing project and he loved to put his own stuff in TP manga and shows. Remember the original Initial D dub's OST changes? Or the bastardized flash anime series they made?

Supposedly, an unofficial estimate I heard was that Bizenghast and Princess Ai were the only series in the black for a long time. The "authentic" and other originals were selling horrifically.
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>>100239823
A-are we going to summon Daiz?
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>>100239977
Daiz is tech support. This is sales and marketing.
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>>100239977
How the fuck Daiz is relevant here? Go suck his dick somewhere else.
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>>100239823
And then there's stuff like Gundam where the merch sales are all that matters. To Sunrise/Bandai, any BD/DVD sales are just icing on the cake.
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>>100240037
I skimmed the thread and saw something about encoding or file size.

I thought the conversation got sidetracked. ;_;
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>>100239640

Tokyopop made the same mistake ADV did: bought up the licences for anything they could get their hands on without thinking about whether they knew how to handle it.
But, after realizing that it wasn't working, they made an even bigger mistake, and tried to save themselves by pushing the "Amerimanga" line.
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>>100239769
I'll praise them half way. I do like how they picked up niche things like the Aria manga.
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>>100239832
It didn't become another statistic so that's all that matters.

>>100239957
I know for a good fact that Fruits Basket made TP money... mostly because they died a few months after that ended. They hit a few lucky titles and promptly shat it all away on OEL/manwha shit nobody wanted. And even if people wanted it, they were pushing more volumes in a month than what we see in a quarter now. Retailers must have balked pretty hard.

TPs attempt at anime was laughable. OST changes were kind of the least of their fuck ups.
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>>100240037
I'm sick and tired of Daiz always running around and flaunting how smart and educated he thinks he is. He should stick to subjects he knows about, which I will admit he is 100% right in, in terms of encoding, but he should stop trying to act like he knows shit about Japan and business, when he fucking doesn't.

He's just a high-horse riding little fuckwit who thinks he's right about everything, and it pisses me the fuck off.

This isn't even about the posting anymore. This is about Daiz and his gigantic god damned ego. Daiz is everything wrong with fansubbing. EVERYTHING WRONG WITH IT. He wants us to get on our knees and suck his cock until the end of days for what he does. He wants us to worship him like a fucking god.

I hate Daiz. I hate him with every fiber of my being.
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>>100240278
Thank you for that thrilling chapter of your life. Do you have a blog I can follow?
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Why couldn't they put four episodes on and double the price?
Would they not still get the same amount of money?
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>>100240193
TP and ADV are just little scrub scanlation groups made by 14 year olds then?

Kidding aside, it sucks. They had some cool stuff. From what I hear, the OEL creators I was able to hear from had positive experiences with the company. They just never heard back sometimes after a volume was released. I think one was on a volume by volume contract and planned for three, but got cut after two because it was marked "complete" in some error.

At least we have Vertical for the more obscure manga titles (obscure being more /a/-friendly than typical bookstore manga shelf)
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>>100239098
>average production costs are around 25-30 million yen for 12/13 episodes
However 2,700 average sales at 6,500 a peice. That is 105300000 yen over 6 volumes or for 5k that is 195000000 yen. It seems pretty much fine to me. Considering the JAniCA training projects only got 38 million an episode including advertising and character designs and everything and ended up with beautiful animation I think you are overestimating the average budget a bit there aswell.
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>>100240135

No but:

>>100240278

Now it sure as hell is.
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>>100239486
>>100239832
Ironically, the paperback editions of Haruhi DID make it outside of the manga section by looking like some generic crap for pre-teen girls.
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>>100240230
Which was a... CMX rescue I think.

>>100240193
>ADV buying licenses
Or got fucked into buying at jesusfuck exorbitant prices. The day those court documents came out was one of the funniest days of my time in this shit.
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>>100240345
How new?
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>>100240349
They figured out long ago the exact maximum amount Otaku would be willing/able to pay. Any higher and they lose sales, any lower and their sales don't go up because not enough other people give a fuck to increase the sales enough to get the same profits.
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>>100240349
What's the difference then. If I have to pay the same I would rather have two nice looking boxes, quite often with some bonus stuff, not one.
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>>100240267
Fruits Basket was on the list of profits I think. Forgot about that one (I'm going off of memory only here).

I think the final death blow was Kodansha dropping their support of TP.
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>>100240349
Because it's easier to con the money out of people that way. You break it up into little installments, pretend there's a bunch of amazing features on each of them and then you've got them paying ridiculous sums before they know it.
Not to mention it's easier to rope in the partial-series buyers with smaller, cheaper portions.
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>>100240193
>Amerimanga

You mean that shit like Drama Con? Holy fuck, the shit was amateur.
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>>100240422
>CMX
Holy fucking shit.
That's something I didn't think I'd hear ever again. Fucking Sword of the Dark Ones shit there.

Speaking of which, has Seven Seas died yet? Did they ever get around to actually finishing an OEL series that wasn't Hollow Fields?
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>be that one guy who's tasked with censoring TV anime
>mfw pasting the shadows and steam in each frame
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>>100240415
Scholastic played a part in that no doubt.

>>100240403
What is mark-up? A retailer has to make money off what it's selling so not all of that cost goes back to the manufacturer.
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>>100240278
Watch out for Taneli Daiz Vatanen
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He is the main responsible for...
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His ultimate goal is to kill anime.
However, you can stop him. Spread this list!
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>>100239823
Are we not discussing the breakeven point with regards to the studio here?

I get that sponsors fund big chunks of the capital that goes into it and that adaptations don't eat away at the studio because the commissioners foot the bill but surely the studios have to be paying some of the cost themselves to get in on the revenue from the disc sales or else disc sales would not even have a breakeven point. Non-original works are generally safe work because of that and like you said, the sales don't matter in some cases, but logically that should only drive down the breakeven point for the studio.

If it were an original work and merch was not a factor, I can see 4-5k as an acceptable candidate but with so many adaptations these days the average breakeven point should be relatively low and since 2-3k is the most frequent range for BDs, it would make sense for them to target their breakeven point around there.
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>>100240422
Well, yes, ADV also let themselves get fucked hard when it came to shows they knew they could sell for so long that they ended taking it for shit they thought they could sell toward the end as well.

But, the core of my statement was that both ADV and TP amassed the rights to large amounts of mediocrity that they couldn't do anything with before bankruptcy.
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>>100240597
My bad, Aria was a pick up from ADV, another wonderful failure. Still have their original Gunslinger Girls.

I remember CMX fucking around with Tenjo Tenge. That was a pretty good shit show. Kinda regret not picking up Emma when I had the chance. Maybe Yen will get it seeing as they're on a Kaoru Mori kick... maybe when/if the contract expires.

Seven Seas is more or less the sole publisher of yuri manga, so that must have some dedicated fanbase to keep the lights on. They must have a really small staff (well, they don't release much either) so that's how they're still around. It's not like Vertical who has another cash flow.
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>>100240622
Contrary to popular belief the majority of revenue in anime is not disc based.
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>>100240067
Or Symphogear where it's all character CDs.
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>>100240532
Yeah, Drama*Con was one of the ones they used to promote the line. Imagine how bad the other stuff must have been.
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>>100240947
merchandise right?
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>>100239095
Everyone can buy manga but anime is only for obsessed people (aka otaku) with its 40k ¥ per one cour.
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>>100240778
I imagine getting work on an adaptation to be like bidding for a building contract on fitting the inside of a new home. As a studio you cost up materials, labour and some profit on top. You present what you can do with it to the production committee and they decide to give you the go ahead or not/any changes. You might be offered the option to buy into the production committee to access that revenue or perhaps give up what would have been your profit out of the animation budget.
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>>100240862
ADV became Sentai Filmworks, right? If so, then they haven't learned a damn thing if licensing Stella C3 is any indication. If I recall the show didn't break into thousands in terms of BD sales; I didn't even know such failure was possible.
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>>100241110
1. TV 2. Film 3. Video 4. Distribution 5. Merchandise 6. Music 7. Overseas 8. 遊興(?) 9. Misc
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>>100240610
Why do they even do this, apart from giving us intensive to buy the BD's?
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>>100240886
Seven Seas has Monster Musume, Haganai, Senran Kagura, and the Raildex universe manga.

I also just realized Last Hope is 9 years old. Fucking hell, where is volume 3?
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>>100240999
G is selling pretty well on its own, awerage 7-8k
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>>100241190
>ADV became Sentai Filmworks
Um, no?

And popularity in Japan doesn't necessarily reflect popularity in US (see Big O).
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>>100241190
The contracting of the market and the fact they're doing sub-only releases (on top of being the most expensive) likely has something to do with how they're staying a float. They have to be making some cash to go back and dub a handful of sub-only releases.

Personally I want to see them get nuked by FUNi. Or them gouging FUNi. Either is good.
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>>100241241
Japanese censorship laws are harsh, convoluted and confusing. You can't say the other name of other trademarks unless you blot out one letter but you can sell loli magical girl bestiality fan comics for a profit.
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>>100241235
Looks like most years merchandise makes up just as much of the revenues as BD sales.
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>>100238088
So its just like being an anime fan anywhere else...
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>>100241414
>You can't say the other name of other trademarks unless you blot out one letter
That's an actual law? I thought it just fell under "Weird shit Japan does just because"
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>>100241190
Sentai Filmworks is one of the companies formed by ADV's breakup, yes.
Section 23 is the other one with any real relevance and does a slightly better job of selecting shows.
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>>100240947
>>100241235
Not sure this can be taken a reliable profit distribution for the average series. Stuff like K-On! and Gundams gets massive amounts of merchandising and see localization outside japan whereas many series don't even market 5% as much of those giants. It's like the whole billionaires skewing the average income of the US in economic studies thing.
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>>100241235
>8. 遊興(?)
Jisho says 'merrymaking; pleasures'. I guess it means events and stuff?
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>>100241343
Um, yes? ADV sold it's debts off to itself -- under different corporations -- through a legal loop-hole in Texas law. Why do you think it's all under the umbrella Section 23?
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>>100241573
I could never quite get what it meant.Some people when I have posted it before suggested it could be pachinko machines maybe? It is possible it is events though aswell.
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>>100240778
>with regards to the studio
Who gives a fuck about the studio? Most studios are irrelevant, they just get paid a fixed amount to animate the show and they don't care if it sells or not.
>If it were an original work and merch was not a factor, I can see 4-5k as an acceptable candidate
Which was the original point. The first guy said that 4-5k needed to break even with BD sales alone, without everything else.
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>>100241389
>I want to see them get nuked by FUNi
But Funi is fucking garbage. They're the worst company in the industry.
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>>100240401
>From what I hear, the OEL creators I was able to hear from had positive experiences with the company.

Some guy made a baseball manga that got snubbed by all the book stores and Tokyopop didn't do shit about it. I think it got popular in every other country it was produced besides the US. It's by the guy who made Tripping the Rift.
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>>100236783
Fuck off, we're still working on it.
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>>100240401
>TP and ADV are just little scrub scanlation groups made by 14 year olds then?

Sounds accurate enough to explain why the translation sucked, editing sucked, typesetting sucked, printing sucked, etc etc.

>From what I hear, the OEL creators I was able to hear from had positive experiences
That flies pretty contra to what I heard where Stu Levy basically fucked them out of any money they might have seen (which wasn't much anyway).
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>>100241389
Wait, they're doing sub only releases too? So you mean, some one there down the line some guy made the conscious decision to devote more time and money to Kill Me Baby than something else? Great foresight on his part, KMB had a pretty good dub IMO

>>100241343
I get that, but I have difficulty thinking C3 being little more than forgotten outside of the US either.

The show has some serious quality consistency issues as well as pacing and the only real exposure that show has had outside of Japan is two ANN editors having rants about American gun culture. Cause you know, an anime about a hobby created as a direct reaction to limited firearms availability in Japan has so much to do with it's over abundance in America, ne?
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>>100241853
I only heard from three, two of which were a team. It seems I didn't get a very good sampling.

My favorite quote from a meeting (as told by a former editor) is "I'm not a businessman, I'm an artist". This was supposed to be a motivational group meeting, and he just talked about himself and what he does for his own company. If I were an employee there, I would have jumped ship right then and there.
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>>100240278
You have entitlement attitude and are egostical about it. Change a few nouns/adjectives in your rant and the grammar a little bit and you'd have a social welfare entitlement rant complaining about all those who hate those permanently on welfare for multiple-generations.
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>>100241870
All this reminds me of now is Zac's bitching during the Summer previews. It's like Justin finally told him to shut the fuck up and stop being a whiny little cunt.

But this isn't a Zac thread. I'll save that for another time.
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>>100241546
I can see where you are coming from the mean could be skewed by somethings but what can I say the number of TV anime being made continues to increase each year basic economics dictates it must be turning a profit otherwise supply would fall or at the very least level out.
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>>100241870
There's some sad irony: neoADV probably paid more attention and gave more love to Kill Me Baby than the Japanese.

>>100241870
>two ANN editors having rants about American gun culture.
Going to derail this thread
Ever since Zac started dating he's really gone off the fucking deep end. Something crawled up his ass something fierce with C3.
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>>100242059
You'd piss and moan alot if you had to put up with AAA posters like Fencedude and Chagen.
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Since they have been briefly mentioned in the thread, I have to ask, are there any OEL manga that are actually good?
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>>100242093
When will ANN get some good new content?

I'd actually read non-review columns if they were something different and interesting. (at least RTO had a good approach to its judgment, and Bamboo is love).

The Stream and The List seem to be Buzzfeed ripoff attempts.
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I should feel good that I don't know who these people from ANN you're talking about are, right?
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>>100242297
Hollow Fields was cute.
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>>100238088
Wow, every time I learn something about Japan it sucks even more.
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>>100239072
It's a higher barrier to entry and increases attrition when the individual volumes are more expensive.
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If studios had donation links I would easily drop 100$/season on my favorite studios.

I don't want to spend 100$ on BDs and then 100$ on shipping so the studio can see 5$ of that though.
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>>100242320
Probably when Zac (rage) quits.

>The Stream
I'm sort of cringing to see what turned up for that gig. Also disappointed as Bamboo's taste has a good bit of overlap (more than anyone else on staff).

The List? That always sucked.
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>>100242552
Shelf Life was pretty much the only column I read until recently. I've learned to take a lot of it with a grain of salt, but it was still a good read for a time.

Unfortunately, ANN is pretty much a collective of the only anime fans with a journalist degree. I feel like /a/ should just flood them with independent article submissions unsolicited.
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>>100242320
I think ANN is good for like actual news, as in "Yo, BTW this happened." A straight explanation of the known facts and comments from relevant individuals.

Not trying to turn a headline into a joke, whore memes out the ass, or using writing style that makes the writers personal bias as apparent as the sun on Mercury; compared to most video games websites ANN is like fucking BBC.
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>>100242685
I know you meant that as a joke, but you'd probably have more luck with Otaku USA.
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Only ANN column I really cared for was the Buried Treaser one. That was pretty cool.
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>>100242707
>You Won't Believe The Shocking Amount of Little Sisters This Boy has Touched!
>Ten Weird Tricks That Animators Use to Fool Viewers!
>Shocking Video of Incestuous Nonvirgin Relationship Exposed!

or better yet
>paywall
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>>100242685
>An /a/ controlled anime publication.

*shivers*
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>>100241244
>Monster Musume
Huh, I had no idea series was that big a deal, but going by what they said on Twitter it must be.
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>>100240947
>Overseas accounting for almost the same as disc based sales
Shit, didn't know that.
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>>100242828
>FCM
>May 2013
Someone actually made more of those?
That last one I remember seeing was form 2010.
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>>100242074
It's not the overall profits I'm casting doubt on, it's how much the average series relies on disc sales and merchandise though you do notice that the chart is peaking in the middle right?

>>100240947 uses it to argue that most anime revenue does not come from disc sales. Overall that's true but when you look at the typical series, that chart can't be relied on because giants boost the average numbers way up, moreso with the stuff outside of discs because some of them do not factor at all in some cases even at the production committee level.

What's typical these days are adaptations where studios would have no reason to get a piece of the merchandising leaving them with only their animation fee, sponsors and studio-produced goods as their income. I've got no data on how much the first two would normally provide but they're fixed income and thus disc sales would provide the most revenue if they reach past a certain point.
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>>100242802
I must be avoiding the right parts. When I go to ANN all I get is "Monthly BD sales rankings", "Seiyuu gets married", "Manga gets anime", and "Doujinshi event gets cancalled due to terrorist threat"
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>>100242513
Japan as a whole doesn't like Donations/Crowdfunding kind of things though. Look how hard they shat on Inafune for doing a Kickstarter for Mighty No 9.

I don't think Trigger got anywhere near as much flak for LWA2 though.
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>>100242866
It actually made news on legitimate newspaper websites for it's sales. That's how shocking normalfags find it.
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>>100242952
>"Doujinshi event gets cancalled due to terrorist threat"

Tell me more.
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>>100242957
That was for completely different reasons I thought. It was something about how his asking for money on Mighty No. 9 was just saying the Mega Man franchise is dead (something that's been apparent for a while but took the nips until now to see).

>>100242952
It was a joke.
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>>100236724

Japanese animation studios don't receive budget from Broadcast station. Except few cases.

Their only sponsors are "Goran no suponsa-" you can see everytime.

Literally they are poor.
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>>100242789
Then Justin got in shape, got a real job, and stopped writing it. Pile of Shame just doesn't have the same flavour of the original dozen or so Buried Treasures.

>>100242828
To be fair, I'd probably read an /a/ run publication, largely because of how diverse /a/s taste is I'll find at least something of worth in there.
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>>100243086
Is it dark under that rock? Especially since you've been living under there for the past two years?
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>>100243086
Some guy has been sending out threats to various doujinshi events for like the past year and a half.
He's been targeting events related to some baseball gag comedy manga or something like that, some of threats actually had chemicals attached to them.

Recently the police have arrested as suspect who claims he did cause he was mad jelly or something.
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>>100242074
The alternative is that individual budgets and overall quality keep dropping.

Basically the "what the fuck happenned" argument.
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>>100243143

And Otaku are also poor. Except for a few cases.

That's one of the reason why normalfag call otaku loser.
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>>100243119
Seriously? Was Xover not a big enough sign for them?
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>>100243143
Don't they actually have to pay the TV station's to broadcast the anime, and at the end of it its basically an advert for the BD's?
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>>100243150
>To be fair, I'd probably read an /a/ run publication, largely because of how diverse /a/s taste is I'll find at least something of worth in there.

Indeed. I think it'd actually be pretty fun to read.
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How big is piracy in Japan? I know it exists of course, but how big is it's actual impact?
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>>100236724
just looking at this bitch get's me mad as fuck , how the fuck did she win
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>>100243404
That's why many shows include a TV station in their production committee. I assume they get a discount or maybe even air it for free for an exchange of future profits.
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>>100243651
I don't think it's nearly as mainstream to pirate stuff over there, also you can actually be arrested by the police just for downloading a few episodes of anime so most people are scared and rely on stuff like PD that theoretically is supposed to protect their anonymity, except they can get caught with that now too.

Can be a royal pain when you want to download some stuff that never got translated and was released more than a few years back, since they've no real nice centralized places like we do and I refuse to go on PD.
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>>100241463
>Only 90s kids remember this episode of DBZ!
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>people still believe the rumors about it being terrible to like anime in Japan
Department stores over there have entire floors dedicated to anime merch, and you'll see people from teens to middle-aged fuckers shopping around for the stuff.

No one gives a fuck.
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>>100239486
At least Vampire Hunter D still comes out. Thank you Dark Horse.
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>>100244507
I don't get it...
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>>100244714
It's like many other things, if you're a normal socially adjusted person then no one is going to hold it against you, but if you're already some awkward fuck then it's only going to make things worse.
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>>100244718
Dark Horse does a lot of things right.

Like Kurosagi.
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>>100241082
I actually liked Nightschool, another series by that artist.
It's been on hiatus since like 2010 though.
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>>100244714
>entire floors
>separate floors
That doesn't really support your argument.
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>>100244922
When they're the first floors of the building...
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>>100237364
No one in the west will buy 2 episodes for over $60, even if it's got professional translations. You can get 3 seasons of a western show on Blu Ray for that much, if you're sale savvy.
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>>100244893
>Hiatus
The most common word in the OEL world. Remember Blade for Barter? Last Hope? Pretty much every TP OEL besides Bizenghast months before they died?
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Would you kill someone if you were 70% sure you could get away with it?
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>>100244922
You don't really know how shopping or building layout in Japan works, do you? Calling something out for having a separate floor is like saying that it's stigmatic to buy standard literature because it has a floor to itself.
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>>100244441
>also you can actually be arrested by the police just for downloading a few episodes of anime so most people are scared

http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/still-no-arrests-one-year-after-illegal-downloading-law-went-into-effect

You are more likely to get a fine in the USA than get arrested in Japan for pirating.
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>>100245873
Downloading, no arrests in Japan. Uploading is what gets them. Most reports of arrest for illegal file sharing of anime in Japan have to do with uploading individual episodes.
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>>100244441
I hate PD so fucking much. I occasionally go on it since I reupload manga to Nyaa.

I've been trying to figure out Winny and Share, but I can't get them to do shit. There is some rare shit on there that I can't seem to find on PD.
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>>100245109
It wss pretty popular though. It was put on hold for the artist to do an adaptation of a James Cameron novel. It might actually resume.
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>>100246217
You may be retarded bro.
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>>100247260
Maybe, that or its just dead. Can't imagine a lot of people wanting to have an ISO of Garzey's Wing.
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>>100238088
Sounds legit, but then, why some mainstream series over there, like Sazae san, Doraemon One Piece, are a normal topic of conservation?
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>>100242802
>You Won't Believe The Shocking Amount of Little Sisters This Boy has Touched!
I'd buy this light novel and all its anime blu-rays
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Muh BD exlusives.
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>>100246217
>>100244441
What is PD?
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>>100251440
Pedos Domain.
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>>100251440
It's a pretty cool game. You should check it out sometime.
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I wish the Western market didn't loathe LNs...Can I blame Crunchyfags, Gaiafags, MALfags, ANNfags, etc?

Let me blame someone. Point me to the right direction.
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>>100254318
Animu-only folks can't be bothered to read that shit even when there are some translations available on the internet, so what makes you think they'll pay for it?
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>>100254783
My main complaint is that translation quality is all over the place and there's no groups to recognize as good or bad. So sure, that LN might be translated but there's no way to know if it's actually translated well.



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