Power level discussion general.
I remeber this chart and another one where Battler is placed much much lower.
Which represent his powerlevel better and how effective is Endless 9? I remember Battler defending against big bangs and big crunches using Endless 9 but I'm not too sure.
This the current version.
Did people miss that or is it supposed to be a running gag?
It's a running gag.
>Reimu still below Fiamma
For crying out loud. Also, what did Ronnie do to get so high?
So I watched the Battler vs Bern fight and Battler defended against one or multiple (unclear) universe destroying magic using Endless 9. He really needs to be moved up.
Here's a link of the fight in case someone's interested.
Why is STTGL and the Anti Spiral only a little bit higher than TTGL? Where is Wiss(DBZ), Hades(Saint Seiya), and The Truth(FMA)?
It was already explained countless times.
Battler could only stand against her because they were playing a game or red vs blue truths.
No space time witch and Clow ? who with a single unintentional subconscious thought brought the space time witch back to life ?
It doesn't matter if it's about anime. He always wins.
No he doesn't, There are plenty of things that can beat him. over 5 on this list in fact
The apex of many a hero's journey !!! The beginning and the end.
I hate you people
Where's Shiki Tohno?
Nowhere near strong enough for this list.
This shit burns my eyes. Such a horrible list. Do you even have a fucking clue of what you're doing?
It's like you've never read Flash before
The guy moves at the speed of plot just like Superman is as strong as plot, but he still gets beaten or challenged regularly by his rouges. They try to disguise it with things like "Anything he's challenged he was just holding back all along", but no that's just something cheap the writers like to draw with, and he wouldn't be holding back if the city is in danger in some visible way that he can solve by going faster. Besides the Flash who's known more for the pure feats rather than implied feats is currently non-existant, but it seems they are bringing him back
Not to say Barry isn't still good, but they really like to wank him on being "The absolute best, the origin of the speed force itself, the greatest" when last time the guy tried to travel into the past he ended up destroying three universes in the process. Meanwhile Wally outran the universe itself until he killed death, and brought his wife back to life in the same race.
can you stop with this shit?
It's been forever since I've reread all the Touhou fluff, but unless ZUN released another recent quote on character powers that people have latched onto, most of them have no business being that high.
A Touhou with a power like Flandre's being put around planetary level, sure. Reimu? No. And why Sakuya is is that much higher than Homu, if at all, legitimately confuses me when they do the same damn shit, except one of them doesn't use bombs.
Someone should go over /co/ and summon the keeper. I don't think he's updated his list since october.
I've always disliked /a/'s powerlist's format. It's ugly and incredibly hard to find things in, and whatever you can extract from it isn't of much use.
Someone explain why Dio is on level with Fiamma?
I thought his main shtick was a short time stop, or is he much more powerful than that?
He can also freeze people with a touch, and shoot beams from his eyes
Cleaned some bullshit and crappy pictures.
You made me waste 3 minutes of my life on something so pointless /a/...
>Ajimu below Demonbane
>Ajimu below Yuki
Put Ajimu in special and kumagawa in rock bottom and we talk.
But she is, The OP is a old Chart >>100233875 is the current chart.
>No Ado Edem
We have no way to measure ORT, he can fuck off.
Not even a BB
You wasted 3 minutes completely because that chart is still bullshit
So what. Those aren't very impressive abilities. He needs to be lowered.
Same for Giorno and Pucci. They're overrated way too much.They don't belong anywhere near the top. Giornio's GER ability was only shown once against an opponent who wasn't very strong and it shouldn't be used as a comparison for how GER would fare against cosmics. Likewise, Pucci's Stairway to Heaven wasn't invincible. He had trouble against time-stop, and was defeated by a weather ability. Pucci's greatest weakness is that still has a normal human body and he can die relatively easily if his body takes any damage.
Seems like there's too many Medaka characters trying to dominate the special bracket, and hard to say if Haruhi should really be in there either. Yeah she's reality warping, but most people on the list at least have a minor in that ability and it seems Yuki can even hack her.
If you guys aren't going to have somebody competent editing the chart, then don't make a thread.
You can't just edit it on a personal whim, just because you think it's bullshit
If any series is getting too much attention, it's Index. Get rid of a few characters. No series should have more than 5 max on that list.
You guys gave Myuugyi a wrong category.
She's definitely a weapon user/god.
Stop making edits without providing reasons for edits.
Where woudl he fit on this chart?
You know, so normalfags can have comparison.
Why is there so much difference between Homura and Sakuya already?
Goku is for the Normalfags
God would be at Tenchi level
He's the original creator of everything.
Lilith was created by such a being to be superior than him. Then they together created Eve.
Demonbane should be around equal to Eve looking at the feats.
Myuugi slightly above the two.
Firepower. And Sakuya can also manipulate space.
Yuki can't do anything about John's Smith Haruhi, though.
Why is Nanoha on the chart, and Precia, an SS mage, isn't? Transdimensional lightnings, capable of damaging a huge spaceship, and teleportation of people between dimensions should put her high enough, I think.
Why couldn't of you just let the thread die?
Sorry, didn't look at the page. It's been bothering me for a while, so I decided to give it a try.
It's ok, we sometimes have a few good people doing edits, those threads would be the ones to bring up and add new characters in. This thread is just a failure because people are making edits on their own whims
You might as well ask why Reinforce isn't on there, if anyone.
The umineko characters aren't even powerful.
The other characters have the exact same powers. Featherine is at the very top, but she isn't the only writer in the chart.
So why are the eternity blades slightly below the other bullshit characters, as opposed to on par with them or even slightly above the others?
Most Japanese power ranking sites list them in the same bullshit category or even have it a rank above most of the others.
>Battler could only stand against her because they were playing a game or red vs blue truths.
This also applies to Bern. She couldn't hurt Battler using magic and must use truths. Featherine specifically stated that Battler resisted the magic of the cats using Endless Nine.
Voyagers are beyond just magic.
Because people who never read any Demonbane, Yamibou or Eien Shinken stuff get butthurt when anyone claims their precious Tenchi or LoN aren't the most powerful.
You people are fucking retarded.
Nonetheless Bern for how powerful she is couldn't hurt Battler at all using magic and had to resort to using truths.
Do I need to explain how to filter? Or are you capable?
So why do we not have a horizontal graph for this?
I'd rather it be powerlevel vs. how enjoyable the character is instead of shit just scattered willy-nilly in regards to the horizontal plane.
Why even try discussing Umineko levels?
The power rankings are canonically inconsistent because the fragments came from conflicting and separate sources.
I'm posting mine, all of those are wrong. And stop trying to put Medaka box characters in the special bracket, they aren't as powerful as you think.
It's clearly explained in the game.
They were artificially forced to the same level because they were both Game Masters at the same time. When playing the game they were equal on that one game board.
This is the only reason he could do anything to her. Bern earlier agreed to play the game, willingly allowing the limits to affect her.
>Battler finally placed properly
Give reasons for moving Each character if you want to make a change.
How does a giggle differ from a gigglegiggle?
Translator have issues, obviously
I'll make changes where I want to make changes ( i.e. I have a decent grasp of those character's abilities) Much better than that one guy who's listening to fanboys bitching about their favorite characters not being high enough. Also, he fucked up by touching the Holy Trinity. Something, numerous anons told him not to do. Deal with it.
>Something, numerous anons told him not to do. Deal with it
I agree on this, they should never be moved.
>I'll make changes where I want to make changes ( i.e. I have a decent grasp of those character's abilities)
I can't justify saving the chart without proper reasons being given.
>Myuugi below Nozomi
>Eve and Lilith below "holy trinity"
It's obvious you never even touched these series.
Not that guy, but if you don't like it, don't save it. There will never be a definitive chart, so just go with whatever one you agree with the most.
Just a question though if Bern wasn't a game master would she be able to obliterate Battler using magic? Even with Endless 9?
Fuck off nigger, they have never displayed as much power as the Holy Trinity, and they never will. Take your "Omnipotents" elsewhere.
I just like keeping the up to date picture.
Yes. Easily. Voyagers are far beyond normal witches and magic.
Battler almost lose his mind just looking at Lambda and Bern exchange blows.
The only reason Myuugi was at the top in the first place is that some anon in the last thread pulled some DC- level meta crap.
Then save all of them in chronological order.
But going with "the most up to date" is stupid and pointless as everyone will have differing opinions and there's not just one dude or group making the chart; it's individuals who put their own opinions and ideals into them.
Is that Real God?
Yes, they did.
LoN is the original creator of the multiverse in Slayers.
See that weird hat they are wearing? It's Joe Harry, a hat containing all power of a being that created the omniverse in Yamibou. It was an omnipotent God called Adam, an obvious copy of Christian God. He created an infinite number of universes and multiverses and put them in books.
He then created Lilith to be even more perfect and powerful than him. Then they both created Eve to be even more powerful. Then Adam put all his power into that hat.
Joe Harry is now a symbol of the being being in charge of the infinite library of worlds.
She's the most powerful being in Eien Shinken series, a series well known for powerlevels so insane they shit all over even Demonbane.
>still no Kaiji at the top
I guess that means that normally Bern is capable of more than the instantaneous multiple universe destroying magic that Battler blocked.
Bern is a master of weird laughs.
Watch the video. It's explained why the cats could not interfere.
And yes, she is.
What the fuck is the point of slapping random characters into a special box when we know as much about their power level as we do people not in the box?
>non gods above arceus
>LoN is the original creator of the multiverse in Slayers.
So is Kami tenchi
>See that weird hat they are wearing? It's Joe Harry, a hat containing all power of a being that created the omniverse in Yamibou. It was an omnipotent God called Adam, an obvious copy of Christian God. He created an infinite number of universes and multiverses and put them in books.
Creating universes isn't that big of a feat in Tenchiverse, Washu had a COLLECTION of universes in a JAR. Zinv a MECH merged Universes with 2 LHWs. Kami tenchi created the Tenchi omniverse, while creating the Chousin who only HAD a vague idea of who created them until the end of the series.
> It's Joe Harry, a hat containing all power of a being that created the omniverse in Yamibou
You're only making an argument for the hat, also those gods aren't omnipotent, if someone was more powerful than them.
It seems that multiple anons are throwing the word Omnipotent without actually knowing what it means.
Stay mad, they aren't moving.
Because all Arceus does is control Pokemanz... That's it really.
>tfw no Hajun or any kami series
So is Kami Tenchi who created the Tenchi-verse*
Alucard as an example. He's so low on the list yet he never showed his true maximum.
What if maximum power Alucard has cosmic-level powers?
Just a thought.
He created the entire universe, including space, time, and matter.
If anything, with how many 'god' level characters there are in anime and manga, they could take up the entire chart.
Sailor Moon, Yuki and Yukari shouldn't be above it, that's true. Everyone else is either a god, god-like being or surpassed gods in some fashion.
Gaku should be on top, and not in special tier.
Even if that's true it only did one universe, which is doesn't put it near the top.
There it should be another chart for low levels and actual physical power, for sports and action shows.
>What if maximum power Alucard has cosmic-level powers?
Because it's never even hinted at. The ones in the special brackets are generally disproportionately endowed, circumstantial fighters, or NLF monsters. I suppose Alucard fits the first one.
The point people keep missing is that the "powerlevel" is not based on what would happen if you placed them in a box.
Rather, you gotta use the results of putting them in the same piece of media. Vast difference.
I watched the video and Featherine said Endless 9.
I'm confused did the game master status power-up Battler (giving him Endless 9) or power-down Bern?
It can't be both and since Featherine said Endless 9 it had to be the former.
How high would Yugi/Yami from Yugioh be on the power level chart?
Or maybe a better question, how high would the Egyptian God cards be? And the Earthbound Immortals? And the Wicked Gods? And the Sacred Beasts?
I'm pretty positive they'd all be extremely high up the list.
All I said was that it's stupid that there were non gods above him, are you really telling me that sailor moon is stronger than arceus.
I don't want to rain on everyonels parade, but powerlevel wanks really seem like some gaia tier bullshit.
They have been informed of this already.
Lower mid range at best.
Depends on what they can do.
Endless 9 is not a name of Battler's power.
It's a name of condition when something is 100% immune.
Battler is immune to outside interference. He and Bern are the game masters of a single game board and one must defeat the other. Outside interference is not allowed.
99% of it is
>my dad can beat your dad
They are limited to the planet they are on (IIRC), the are middle tier at best. they would be below the Magic god for example.
more like this
The god cards are really only something that people can use, they don't really act on their own.
Yami doesn't have much direct power, he would be pretty low.
It would be like putting a gamble fish character on top because they could technically beat anyone if their universe rules applied.
It's not about creating universes.
Everyone near the top of the chart can shit universes for fun.
Adam was exactly the same kind of being as Tenchi or LoN. The original creator and embodiment of the omniverse containing infinite multiverses containing infinite universes.
Lilith is stronger than him. Eve is stronger than Lilith.
at least use>>100233875 as the basis before you edit it, the OP picture is just retarded.
>Endless 9 is not a name of Battler's power.
I specifically recall that Endless 9 refers to the level of Battler's magic resistance.
>Vampires are the greatest of kaii
>Where kaii is the blanket term for every supernatural monster
If you can think of a better definition on the chart, do say.
He IS the most powerful vampire to exist. I don't think the most powerful vampire in the world would be that low.
This. I don't see how you can possibly compare a character from one universe to another.
Hao Asakura is way too low on the chart. When he's the shaman king and controls the great spirit he can create super-novas and blackholes. I guess his rank is correct when he only has the spirit of fire but once he becomes the shaman king he gets dozens of times stronger
Yes. But it's not exclusively his power. In the meaning he's not the only person ever to have it.
By what they can do. You don't compare them directly, you compare the effects of what they're capable of.
Why is Sailor Moon so high?
I never watched it because it's anime for little girls and faggots, but she wasn't so strong in first episodes. Did she became god-meguca?
>He IS the most powerful vampire to exist.
He's the most powerful vampire in Hellsing, where destroying buildings is about the most impressive destructive feat around. It took entire armies of vampires to take London, and the city itself didn't sustain crippling damage.
So yes, he should be that low. Big fish in a small pond, etc.
>It's not about creating universes.
You made it seem like it.
>The original creator and embodiment of the omniverse containing infinite multiverses containing infinite universes.
>Lilith is stronger than him. Eve is stronger than Lilith.
Except that' wrong. You made argument case for the hat, not for them. The hat is the sole reason they are even that powerful. You might well use the logic that because Thanos wields the HOTU, he's automatically stronger than all of Marvel except for TOAA.
Do you have any idea what the fuck an omniverse is?
>When he's the shaman king and controls the great spirit he can create super-novas and blackholes
You do realise that the characters above him can take out entire galaxies with ease, right?
Fucking hell, it's been a while. Good to have you back, sorta.
I mean how do you compare blue laser attack #123 to red laser attack #527. Eventually you just have to admit you picked one over the other because it looked cooler or some other stupid reasoning.
He should be between Nono and anti-spiral
>You made argument case for the hat, not for them
Adam made Lilith to be better than him. Then they together created Eve.
Hat is more like a symbol of power now.
STRONK > all powerleves
u wot m8
There's a reason why they are called the Egyptian GOD cards, Earthbound IMMORTALS, Wicked GODS, SACRED Beasts.
They aren't limited to the planet they're on. Even freaking Blue-Eyes went to space.
>The god cards are really only something that people can use, they don't really act on their own
The god cards and friends are divine beings trapped in cards.
In theory, it IS possible to set them free, but it would have extremely devastating effects... Their rage would cause the destruction of pretty much a whole solar system (possibly even more if they remain enraged).
As for their powerlevel... Probably a little higher than Milleniummon (maybe even Sailor Moon).
>You might well use the logic that because Thanos wields the HOTU, he's automatically stronger than all of Marvel except for TOAA.
To be fair, as long as he had it, he more or less was. He even took down the Living Tribunal with a bit of effort.
>Do you have any idea what the fuck an omniverse is?
A terrible thing that only DC fags believe in?
Yes you fucking did.
> It's Joe Harry, a hat containing all power of a being that created the omniverse in Yamibou. It was an omnipotent God called Adam, an obvious copy of Christian God. He created an infinite number of universes and multiverses and put them in books.
>Then Adam put all his power into that hat.
>Joe Harry is now a symbol of the being being in charge of the infinite library of worlds.
>In theory, it IS possible to set them free, but it would have extremely devastating effects... Their rage would cause the destruction of pretty much a whole solar system (possibly even more if they remain enraged).
So basically there's some fan theory they are super strong but in reality they are just small pieces of paper with some holographic foil.
Nah. Nono's black-hole splitter is easily small galaxy-destroying level. He's fine where he is.
>something went to space
>a whole solar system
Nigga, a bunch of people in the midrage could fuck up entire galaxies. They would be no higher than Alucard. They would be completely worthless when compared to everything above him.
We've never seen them in a released state though, we can't put things on a chart based on them theoretically getting more powerful, we can only use states they have been in.
OP's chart looks better. Yuki is my waifu and all but she really isn't that high up there.
Except that's wrong, it originated in Marvel Comics.
And stop throwing the word omniverse like you know what it means.
Yes, the symbol of power.
But the chicks wearing it are actually even more powerful than Adam was.
Is Tenchi really that powerful? I've only seen bits and pieces of Tenchi Muyo on Toonami but I never caught on. He looks so...plain and boring, and from what I can see it looks like there's some haremshit and I don't like that.
>mfw Saitama is the only one in that list that is purely physical
>Their rage would cause the destruction of pretty much a whole solar system (possibly even more if they remain enraged).
>As for their powerlevel... Probably a little higher than Milleniummon
Okay, Imma have to stop you there. There are some discrepencies here, namely that you're putting characters who might be above solar system level above multiversal level characters. It doesn't add up. If what you say is true, then they'd be above Goku, maybe Bills as well. Higher than that and you're getting towards galaxy and universal level.
Why did they cut the tiers on the left side?
Regardless, Featherine has to be referring to Battler's magic resistance when she mentioned Endless 9. Otherwise why would she use the term?
If this is true then I can conclude that Endless 9 magic resistance > Bern's magic.
Whereas Kiss Shot nearly destroys a continent by jumping.
It's only about power not about the shows/mangas/VN's they are in being good or not.
They make no sense. Goku isn't very high, but he's capable of destroying the universe.
It's not, those Tiers parts are in serious need of work, and doesn't suit the chart at all. and there was some serious injustices on that list that needed fixing
They are still below a character that destroyed the world, Remade it however she wished and looped time again and again in order to force somebody to kill themselves.
Your God cards etc, are below the Magic God
>The Omniverse is the collection of every single universe, multiverse, dimension (alternate or pocket) and realm.
What a hard word. You really need to be a genius to understand what it means.
Umineko calls it Sea of Fragments. Sounds 1000 times better than omniverse.
The tiers don't work well with the chart. they were added and removed in a single thread.
>Capable of destroying the universe
We don't have enough information about his power to put him on the list properly yet.
Not a single Berserk character in these lists? I'm pretty sure some members of Godhand could be mid tier
You're giving him too much credit.
Goku is probably multi planet level by the end of the series.
So who is this Myuugi and why is she the strongest character?
What are their feats? I don't know much of the series but I believe I read they only exist on that planet and don't have many feats.
His power = beat everyone and everything with one punch. He's above everything on that autist-list.
Didn't the God cards basically create the Yugioh universe?
Because if they did that makes them even more powerful.
Confirmed for never watching Yugioh.
If it's true that they created the Yugioh universe that would mean that they have at least cosmic-level powers.
And what we've seen so far is them wrecking everything.
I'm pretty sure they're on an universal level.
Not really, if set free, the God cards possess the ability to destroy the same universe they created.
We have yet to see their true potential though.
After arguing with you I have concluded these things:
> You have no idea what the fuck an omnipotent is
> You're throwing the word omniverse around so you can make Yamibou appear to be more powerful than anything on the list
> You knitpick
Technically speaking, when you're talking about the Omniverse you're talking about ALL fictions not just said fiction's-verse. And for the record, jackass I'm addressing the fact that there are idiots throwing the word around, claiming their fiction's verse has an Omniverse.
Do you know how many "I win" powers there are in fiction? You never take them at face value.
The God Hand are like Alucard, impossible to place effectively because all they deal with are small fry. They'd have to go in the Special box, and that's already full to burst as is.
Endless 9 means perfect magic resistance.
Battler originally had in on the game board because he rejected the existence of any magic.
In the case of the final duel Endless 9 is active for both Bern and Battler because of Game Master authority on the game board. Basically, there is a duel between GM Bern and GM Battler and no outside force is allowed to interfere.
I know that, but I was wondering what makes Tenchi (the character) so powerful.
Broly was able to shit on galaxies with ease in his first incarnation.
First time we see Vegeter, he could blow up planets without effort.
Pretty sure that Goku at the level he's on at the latest movie or GT would be able to run around and blow up galaxies, seeing how many, many times more powerful he is than Broly and early Vegeta at that point.
Because we don't know how much most of them are capable of. But I agree that my nigga Skull King should be on that list.
Was this explicitly shown, or was it just guessed at, fans or otherwise? 'Cause at best they would be in the little box to the right, not even on the list proper.
He seems to have trouble with this lately. Boros and Garo both lasted longer than a single punch.
Biggest big bad in Eien Shinken series.
where to put these thighs?
Please just stop. This is embarrassing.
He won't even be able to touch the majority of things in this list if that's his only power anon. They won't even let him near them, they would just erase him from existence etc etc
Why the fuck is Yuki so high?
>when you're talking about the Omniverse you're talking about ALL fictions not just said fiction's-verse
Marvelfags please go.
Omniverse = a collection of multiverses.
Goku in the latest movie was shit. He was far from impressive. Hell the fight with Bills wasn't even on Goku vs Cell level. If anything he got a huge speed and strength boost but we've never seen Goku us a Kamehameha on such a large scale as to wipe out an entire Solar System (unless they were all lined up for him to blast).
Powerscaling is fine but there is a limit to that.
Now you have to do Devilman and Satan.
>Citing three different cases of non-canon material in a row as actual feats
Except for OPM.
Because he wanted them to.
You obviously didn't read OPM. He can destroy anything and everything. Even your favorite shitty fictional character.
With one punch.
>Not really, if set free, the God cards possess the ability to destroy the same universe they created.
>We have yet to see their true potential though.
Well sorry Unless they State or show us proof of this, your point is invalid.
Unrestrained Yuki is that broken, read the LNs. Normal Yuki isn't on this list
> You have no idea what the fuck an omnipotent is
Jesus fuck, are you autistic or something? This is not a hard concept to grasp.
If a being is all-powerful it's capable of doing anything right? So what if that being wishes to create a being even more powerful than itself?
Is it me or the most well-written characters are on the bottom, and the shittiest are closer to the top of the chart?
I have read the LNs, still can't see it.
Clerical error. Same for Sailor Moon and Yukari.
Yep. Which is why we need a horizontal plane to compare them to. Which would be how interesting the characters are.
Well if you can't write good characters, you can at least make them blow up planets or something to appeal to children.
I don't read it, or i wouldn't be asking these questions now would i?
As i said, if he needs to touch something in order to beat it, he doesn't belong near the top of this list. that still puts him below the Top guns at the top
Nah. Most of these characters are written perfectly fine.
It's just that people get autistic with this whole "my omnipotent > your omnipotent" crap.
I'm guessing this chart uses the time she stole Haruhi's powers.
You're an embarrassment.
As far as I know the "trapped" God cards are much weaker than their "free" forms. I think this was stated somewhere, they did this to limit what the God cards could do (under the command of individuals).
>that still puts him below the Top guns at the top
that would put him above most of the middle guns of the list at best**
Fuck i'm tired.
So basically we have no fucking idea what they can do?
>Unrestrained Yuki is that broken, read the LNs. Normal Yuki isn't on this list
Even if she's above max Haruhi, that's only low-multiversal level at best. She certainly shouldn't be above people who handle innumerable universes, like Noein and Haruka.
Post some proof in the form of manga or caps from an episode, otherwise you are just speculating.
Queen Serenity Sailor Moon is a universe buster.
So is Sailor Saturn.
>think this was stated somewhere, they did this to limit what the God cards could do (under the command of individuals).
Speculation Data isn't allowed here, Proof of power or get out
Outside of Duels? Nope.
I'm gonna try and find a source...
Now what would that chart look like with 2hus?
Now before you flip a tit and say
>Back to /jp/
I just would like to know what characters like Remilia that have the ability to manipulate fate would be at compared to all of the characters in these charts.
Special tier maybe?
>Nitpicking at its finest
And for the record, dumbass, it goes like this:
>This is not a hard concept to grasp.
For you it is.
Then at that moment, he is no longer omnipotent you retard. The exact moment that there is a HIGHER being than you, you are NO LONGER OMNIPOTENT.
What? Show some proof, get some a picture, or something before you make a claim like that.
Also, why the fuck is Yukari even close to that high. She has no feats that put her above planetary level.
Don't know much about Cardcaptor, but someone want to inform me on why Sakura is up there?
Where is sonic the hedgehog on this list? He is very powerful when using the emeralds.
>Queen Serenity Sailor Moon is a universe buster.
Then it's still an error. She's above multiversals, which is blatantly wrong. I'm pretty certain Anti-Spiral/Pucci is the baseline for universe busters.
>stronger than goku
I know it's a 2d representation of a female so you dick ride it non stop but that's just ridiculous
Thats actually a good idea.
Let that fucker be the first one then.
Ya know who I'm talking about.
Low tier, the emeralds have unlimited power but he has a time limit with them and without the emeralds he wouldn't even be on this list.
Yep, Demonbane would be at the very top left as he's the most powerful, but the least interesting as a character.
I would do it myself, but I haven't watched all of the shows that are on the list.
Where would you put Asura The Destructor
If Endless 9 means perfect magic resistance then what Featherine meant by "no outside interference" is no magic can interrupt Bern and Battler no matter how powerful correct?
I'm also concluding that Endless 9 came with the GM status.
What exactly are those even supposed to be, and how are they different from each other? My level of autism isn't powerful enough to comprehend these things innately.
Then he should be at the top. If there's no limit than he can beat all. Time isn't a problem when you can run very fast.
Is there any particular reason why Tetsuo isn't on this list? At all?
You've seen Akira, right? You know just how OP and retardedly powerful he is, don't you? You know he's basically a God, do you not?
These threads are always glorious.
The gap still shouldn't be so high though. Not to mention her ability to manipulate space is highly whack. It didn't help her escape in, the shitty albeit endorsed by ZUN, Silent Sinner.
>The exact moment that there is a HIGHER being than you, you are NO LONGER OMNIPOTENT
Yes, because there is something stronger than you now.
Doesn't change the fact you are not weaker than you were. You are just as strong as you were when you were omnipotent. It's just that there is a being even stronger now.
That's why some call these beings omnipotent+1 or above omnipotence.
Demonbane does exactly that. No matter how you hate that you can't change that. You can send hate mails to the author if you care that much about stupid definitions of fictional characters.
The emeralds have that power Not him. He can only use it for a Very short period of time and he can't even do much damage when he has them.
Eh. Mid-top maybe?
He would probably be between Bills and Dark Schneider.
Because he isn't shit compared to all the other crazy things on the list.
No. No. There's nothing above omnipotence. The fact that there can be something stronger means the individual was never omnipotent in the first place.
Ordinary gods are quite low on the list to be honest.
He's still fairly well-written. Better than the most characters on the list
Saitama as shown in the manga is all brute force. He's basically human taken to extreme physical levels, that's it. The One-Punch thing is just a running gag that Saitama is bored that all his fights aren't exciting because he kills things with one punch. Which is why he does get excited when Boros and Garou both take multiple blows to finish off.
Based on what we've seen, Saitama is planet buster tier at best. Anyone that says otherwise is power wanking way too much.
Touhous are almost entirely NLFs. Most would go into low-mid tier, the more powerful ones in mid tier, based on actual performance. If you were paying attention, you'd notice that most of these charts already have several Touhous on them.
Demonbane can just summon infinite Demonbanes that can withstand his punch. OPM is really nothing special.
No. Just no. It's completely retarded.
By definition omnipotence means "I can do whatever the fuck I want".
If he wants to make something even stronger that he is nothing is stopping him since he's omnipotent.
And we are back to the problem of God and a stone he can't lift.
This is a philosophical question that people have been arguing about for centuries. Neither of you are going to be persuaded in a shitty thread on 4chan.
You should edit in the pictures of Flash impaling himself on some guy's sword and slipping on a banana peel.
Time is quite a limit.
>That's why some call these beings omnipotent+1 or above omnipotence.
Except that's wrong. And Lol'd at omnipotence+1
Once again, you have no idea what it means. You cannot be ABOVE omnipotence, ever. Get it through your head.
>Demonbane does exactly that
No he fucking doesn't. Authors throw omnipotence around like they throw the phrase "as fast as light" or "Faster than the speed of light" like brochures. Stop trying to wank your fiction so it can be at the top, because it's not going to happen.
Where are you again?
Not the other guy, but that's not how it works. There is nothing above omnipotent, and there never can be. An omnipotent being could probably make something that's CLOSE to omnipotent, but if there's something above an omnipotent being, he is not omnipotent.
Also this: >>100246018 there's no point in arguing it.
Text too long so I'm just gonna post links
Make of it what you will.
Doesn't that omnipotence "argument" pop up in these threads pretty often. At least whenever I see these threads it's usually there.
And once again we argue over the meaning of omnipotence and a concept and can't agree on anything.
If this thread is still alive in the morning, I might start working on a universal-and-below character only chart, because this multiversal-omnipotence+X bullshit has to stop somewhere.
I love it when people use this term, Makes me laugh every time
No, I was serious. What the fuck do 'metaversal' and 'megaversal' mean, and why are they even used? An answer would be nice.
I guess I can understand with what you're saying. Still though, he can initiate a Big Bang. That's gotta count for something.
>Dat gif, all of my what
>There is nothing above omnipotent, and there never can be
Until the omnipotent creature decides that's wrong and creates one.
Because it can do anything it wants.
>In the semi-finals Marik and Joey Dueled, and Yami Marik unveiled "Ra's" Phoenix Mode, burning Joey and wounding him so badly he fell unconscious and was unable to finish the Duel.
Holy that power. I can see why you think they should be on the list. Knocking some kid out and giving him minor burns is serious shit.
I wouldn't put most 2hus very high, especially for people like Remi where the extent of her power is left purposely ambiguous. The highest you could probably get are people like Yukari and Flandre who have pretty ridiculous off-screen powers spelled out.
A lot of Touhous currently on the list seem too damn high anyways. Sakuya has never exhibited more firepower than Homura's modern day weaponry. Reimu's invincibility doesn't really seem relevant when this list seems to be mostly based on firepower and universe-fucking potential.
jokes on you
He sure needs place at the top.
Probably some DC/Marvel bullshit.
Think of stars to galaxies.
There's stars that compose a galaxy, a galaxy that composes a chain of galaxies, a couple of chains of galaxies composing a sector of galaxies, and a few of those to make a universe.
Nope. Can't happen. Please learn what omnipotent means.
Demonbane eats big bangs for breakfast with a side of omnipotent beings.
Read all of it you retard...
And remember, what they do in Duels is nowhere near their true power.
Daemonbane < LED Mirage.
Get over it faggot.
Please, do. At least I personally am interested in this. And shitting on your decisions later.
You're posting links to a yugioh fan wiki and then calling me a retard? That's rich.
A summer or two someone tried to build the list from the bottom up, but I'm not sure if it ever amounted to much.
Shiki can kill God Cards.
>Please learn what omnipotent means.
There is no single definition you goddamn autists.
People are arguing over this shit since forever. "God makes a rock he can't lift" and all this shit.
Goku is one of the few characters that is placed properly on this list.
We're judging characters by how much they can destroy or what?
Daily reminder umineko witches should be in ryukishi only-tier
All of the Shiki's can kill them. it's just fucking paper
This. A zippo could beat them.
This crap is all over the place.
Magical girls on Raw Power side? Really?
>In Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, the Sacred Beasts are legendary creatures whose cards were sealed by Kagemaru underneath Duel Academy behind the Spirit Gates, which requires seven Spirit Keys to open, as he could not unlock their power at the time. Should they ever be set free from their stronghold, chaos and darkness will envelop the world, destroying everything
>chaos and darkness will envelop the world, destroying everything
Again, we don't know the real extent of their powers, but that description sounds quite "fearsome", doesn't it?
That's why I said "make of it what you will".
The God cards are real you retard. Real divine beings trapped in cards.
Stay mad and bad, there is nothing above omnipotents.
Not if they're summoned before you can use the lighter.
No ones going to agree with you. Give it up kid.
>Real divine beings trapped in cards.
Which Shiki can kill.
Ya'll just missing some guts.
And then what? I lose all my life points? Oh no.
Unquantified, with current feats he's pretty low tier.
Implied power means nothing.
>Again, we don't know the real extent of their powers
Then you can't put them on the Chart.
Do we even know his full capabilities?
Then we don't know a shit about Bern and Lambda because they only fight in their metaphysical plane, but you guys keep on leaving them in the chart.
Think he's joking guys.
We just know he's Ollerus-tier at full power, which he hasn't reached so it doesn't really matter.
These autistic shitfests will never end unless all the "omnipotent" characters are placed around the same level.
Yeah, why don't you fuck off back to >>>/v/
You can fuck off back to >>>/v/ alongside your gay partner too
Plenty of characters on the power chart that we know almost nothing about the extent of their powers.
A tripfag tried to make a list like that before with input from people in the threads, but I don't know if it went beyond this one.
Remind me, why is Sailor Moon so high again? It's been a long, long time since I watched it.
>Everything is on the top-chart
Things are getting ridiculous, aren't they?
Why are Shinigami in the Special Tier?
I gathered that. What I meant was how much that extends. How many multiverses are there in a megaverse, how many universes are in said multiverses.and so forth. And who does it even apply to.
Why is "Demon Being" considered to be a type of power?
Just because "Divine Being" is in the chart as well?
Both of those should be the same since it serves no real purpose to point out a things alignment or sub-type one way or another.
Also it doesn't explain the characters powers at all, it's like classifying some characters as mechs or androids, it would be correct but pointless.
Aurora's library is not some methaphysical plane.
It's a higher plane above Sea of Kakera. And Sea of Kakera is the sea of fragments of all the worlds. All existing universes drift in there.
It already appeared in Higurashi.
No clue. It's all kind of retarded if you ask me.
I agree, either remove omnipotents or equalize them.
Saved. I'll try and use this one as a basis for it, or maybe just straight up build on it. Thanks.
Just throw them out. There's no point in trying to debate with them.
MEoDP is able to kill absolutely fucking everything even on a conceptual level as long as it exists.
You could try the source material, for starters.
Not really. It brings them to the end of their existence as dictated by Akasha, or erases their existence from Akasha.
There's a whole boatload of characters that could subvert the ability or just outright ignore it.
>weaker than Sakura
I already hate this chart.
Again with this shit.
It doesn't matter if you call it metaphysical plane or Sea of Kakera, they're simply in another dimension cut off from the reality. Before you start talking about them living between multiverses or them granting wishes tell me if they have ever done something useful in the real world. Their version of how things went isn't reliable.
Face it: they're either witches that have nothing to do with our world, like Epicurean's dei, or fictional characters made by an author.
Pretty good, those fucking font/image inconsistencies though.
Wrong. They interfered with the real world. Both Lambda and Bern did.
Lambda even did it back in Higurashi.
Yes, but it'd require resisting existence erasal as dictated by a multiversal being. So not just anyone can do it.
True. But I think it's safe to say that the God Cards are not a part of that group.
Multiversal? Where is it stated Akasha is more than a universal record.
It's not even considered a being as far as I know.
>fictional characters made by an author.
Is there anything wrong about fictional^2 characters?
I even wrote it because I knew you would say it.
They did, albeit by their pieces, according to their explanation, but in fact it was Takano, a human being, who did everything, not Lambda, a fucking witch.
I'm not saying that the God cards are "LIEK SO OP SHOULD BE ON TOP STRONKEST BEINGS EVER XD" ,simply that they shouldn't be so underestimated.
I'm quite positive they could destroy the whole universe if they wanted on their own, and I can only imagine what they could do if they fused.
Just as bad.
The only difference will be that we'll have "my character > your character" instead of omnipotence debates.
And seriously, Jack Rakan above Archangel Gabriel? Negi above Nanoha? This is a joke.
Lambda offered to grant Takano's wish. Takano just wanted to achieve things by her own hands.
And Higurashi already had Frederica Bernkastel being a universe jumper and pretty much a God by the end.
>I'm quite positive they could destroy the whole universe if they wanted on their own
Where's the proof for this
>Multiversal? Where is it stated Akasha is more than a universal record.
On the basis that their a multiple to possibly infinite alternative universes in the Nasuverse, as demonstrated by the 2nd magic and settings that branch from others, like KnK/Tsukihime and FSN/Extra, etc. The fact that Akasha lets the MEoDP function in the worlds of KnK and Tsukihime alone proves that it holds influence over more than one universe at least.
And being isn't the right word, more like multiversal law.
Negi is above Nanoha though. He shouldn't be any where close to his position though, because as shitty as Ikaros is, she's still incredibly strong.
Jack Rakan is no where close to Gabriel though.
I think these charts are missing a very important fairy from the top spot.
Isn't there diminishing returns on how much power you have such as having the power to destroy a universe vs destroying the universe twice over? Is power itself is trivial at this point?
>MEoDP is able to kill absolutely fucking everything even on a conceptual level as long as it exists.
That's nice and all but can it kill Imagine Breaker? Endless 9?
There could very well just be an Akashic Record for each universe, recording the various events that happen.
There could also be an Akashic Record for every universe in Nasuverse.
Nobody, as far as I know, knows which it is.
Oh, and there's also the fact that it enabled Ryougi to erase an entire alternative timeline/universe.
>tfw you love retardedly overpowered characters
what are some of these? I don't have enough on my backlog
Pretty much but we're gonna wank over it anyway.
Also, new captcha font?
See >>100247796. It's influence carries over into the multiplex of infinite possible timelines/universes, otherwise erasing that timeline would've been impossible.
>Should they ever be set free from their stronghold, chaos and darkness will envelop the world, destroying everything
Considering the God cards are much much much much much much MUCH stronger than the Sacred Beasts, one can only imagine what they can do (let alone what they can do when they fuse).
He created the chart.
>one can only imagine what they can do
Because there's no actual proof of anything.
Therefore, they don't go on the chart.
it's not about how powerful it is compared to all universes, it's how powerful it is in-universe
if you put a reality-bender in some low-level fantasy setting he'd be crazy as all hell
You can't be this retarded, right?
How do you think they guess the power levels of DBZ characters? Hm? Well? They COMPARE characters.
Just fuck off already, I gave sufficient enough evidence.
That's why Special Tier exists. With powerlevels you eventually reach a plateau where a fight between any characters at that level or higher basically becomes a quickdraw.
How about Kubo and his self-inserts?
>Negi is above Nanoha though
He's not. Reinforce had enough firepower to destroy a city with one spell. Nanoha was able to tank her attacks. As a 10 year old kid.
Negi may arguably be faster, but nobody in his setting has magical shields even close as powerful or a comparable firepower. Besides, Fate is capable of lighting speed movement and Nanoha can deal with her fine.
Special tier along with Madoka and Haruhi.
4CHAN IS KILL
Don't mind me, just posting the only relevant power level chart.
Did someone say "my butt hurts"?
>They did, albeit by their pieces, according to their explanation
You aren't even trying to get what I'm saying right?
I got Lambda helped Takano and Rika was Frederica's pieces, but that's according to their version.
What truly happened according to Takano and Rika is simply one of them being the villain while the other remembers the other timelines, but that's all. No superpower or anything else.
That's because witches are cut off from the reality, even if according to them they can alter it.
The special tier should be for characters that are impossible to place correctly, not for characters who have vague abilities and are difficult to place.
What can this Myuugi chick do? I can barely find any info about her.
Shinigami are actually immortal, so there's no real way to "kill" them (there ARE ways to get "rid of them", such as make them break the rules of the Death Note).
What's the difference between Nabeshin and Featherine and why umineko bitches are on top?
Western chart is full of incoherences, why are Jap so better than us?
Call me retarded but isn't Myuugi from Aselia the Eternal? The powerlevels never seemed that high to me, granted I only got a third of the way in before I dropped it because rage-inducing gameplay and shit characters.
It was talking about All types of Death gods in general Not just the DN one, he just chose a easily recognizable picture.
>tfw no season 2
Simply being able to survive physical attacks shouldn't place you in special tier.
I never said it was a good idea, i was just correcting people about it, as i was in the last PL thread
Nope. Stay mad.
They don't "survive", they aren't even affected by "physical attacks".
I do think they do deserve the place in Special Tier due to how the Death Note works (this only applies to DN Shinigami though).
Why is Hoenheim even on this list? He may have a stone, but he says himself that he sucks at fighting.
According to them they can blow up universes and create new ones as they please.
And there is no reason to not believe them.
You are completely fucking retarded. I bet you don't even know 2/3 of these characters.
He got a massive power-up in Shin Megami Tensei where he was going toe to toe against Multiversal beings such as Lucifer.
She is. The powerlevel of the the series (including 2nd game and fandiscs and info from material book) is very high, but not at the very top. Whoever added her has no idea what he's doing when he placed her at the top. And this is coming from the guy who originally added Narukana and Nozomu in the first place.
There are two Dantes retard. And why is he so high anyway?
I bet most people don't even understand what characters near the top are capable of.
Pls respond, I'm curious
Stop getting trolled by that one faggot who keeps screwing the charts on purpose
>Myuugi so much below Narukana.
>When she's canon most powerful character in the series.
This is just pathetic.
>Kumagawa not the lowest
>Iihiko that low
>Dio that high
>Homura there twice
>Medaka not in special
>The whole special tier
>Saber that low (assuming Avalon)
Are we going backwards?
Still the best chart in the thread by the looks of it
>Hey I'm the strongest, trust me!
They should be in special-tier, because you can't quantify their power. You can't even compare them to real characters. Put them with Nabeshin and end of the story, there's a reason if Japs never talked about them in powerlevel charts.
Avalon is just as broken as Ea
She can create anything she wants and any being hostile against her gets automatically erased from existence.
She killed thousands of multiverse buster tier beings.
To add, Shinigami don't fight. They just have no reason to.
This fits them in the "circumstantial fighter" category pretty well (see >>100243638)
I don't think you know what special tier means.
>That whole list
You're wrong, next.
Except Gilgamesh is stronger than Saber.
If she, theoretically, erased Tenchi from existence, wouldn't that mean that existence itself would stop existing?
Which is why he is higher than her on the chart
I only looked at the OP's chart.
Please tell me that Sakura is fixed on a different chart.
With the full clow deck she is essentially a god.
First we allowed One Piece threads
Now there are fucking power level discussion generals.
Thanks Moot & Mods.
>/a/: powerlevels and philosophy
You guys are retarded.
I spent about two threads fixing everything.
Bobobobobo was the only one that doesn't really belong but everyone else belongs there because they are vague as fuck.
She would just create a new one.
Gilgamesh Saber and Arc are placed on the chart perfectly fine, there is no reason to move them
right next to demonbane of course
>I spent about two threads fixing everything.
You mean making it worse? Yeah.
I didn't move them and I'm not going to.
But if existence doesn't exist, how can she create one, much less exist!?
Like some anon posted in the past, she's in the godtier.
>Still no Takumi
C'mon, he's a reasonably powerful reality warper, he should at least be somewhere near the bottom.
Arcueid guy from the previous thread, Just start working off this one.
If they're too vague then they shouldn't be on the chart in the first place.
Except she has never demonstrated universe busting feats, the highest she's ever done is Galaxy tier. Z SHITS on her.
>homura at the top
Stop putting your fucking waifu at the top you troll.
She belongs in the special tier since her powers are a portion of Madoka and she can only remove the memory of Madoka and nothing else.
Everything else that was changed was by Madoka's law changing in relation to her consciousness not being present and remembered.
This actually happened to her when a bunch of gods got erased when they thought about attacking her.
She wears a ring that's a fragment of a sword that originally created everything that ever existed.
So she'll keep existing even if everything else goes poof.
>13 characters at the top
This is not even funny anymore.
Well they she didn't erase everything did she?
Shame Gen said she's a God which is why QB can't touch her.
It's where we left off at the end of the previous thread, might as well continue off that?
>This actually happened to her when a bunch of gods got erased when they thought about attacking her.
Except this is pretty fucking common when you get to the high tiers so it shouldn't be a valid argument. The size of the fiction is what matters at this point. And I guarantee you, once someone reasonable figures out the sizes of the fictions, all of those "supposed" top tiers will drop to mid tier.
People started bitching that Lilith and Eve were considered to be the highest OP characters in nipland, so they were moved on top.
Myuugi was also considered to be by nipland to be THE character on top of everything and she was added.
No one else was changed.
Battler was placed to the level bellow of Bernkastel but people hated it so he went down again.
Added a few different characters but the only controversial right now is Reimu being places a bit higher or so.
Start removing questionable characters?
Everyone pretty much agree Tenchi and Demonbane are the best you can find.
Remove umineko's witches for fuck's safe, I've already explained why
Then she belongs in the Special tier until we learn more about her, like Madoka.
And Gen din't write the third movie so you're talking out of two asses.
ask >>100249956 to do it, he did some pretty good work the last 2 threads.
Johan should be at the top higher than everyone
He has the "power" of manipulation
He could simply manipulate everyone into destroying each other
You mean catering to fanboys?
>sizes of the fictions
What does that even mean?
All characters neat the top are from the settings with multiverses with infinite number of universes.
If anybody needs to go down it's LoN and Tenchi since their settings only have a couple of universes as opposed to uncountable trillions in series like Eien Shinken or Umineko.
It's better than the charts that pre-date it at the very least.
Johan is my husbando but nah.
I honestly though the first time watching that when he placed his finger in his forehead, he actually controlled people telepathically or some shit.
He's really something else though.
But he did write the third movie.
Shinbo only made him abandon the planned happy end so they can make another series.
>Umineko characters up that high
>Zeed below them
how is alexander anderson above father and van hoenheim?
>He seems to have trouble with this lately. Boros and Garo both lasted longer than a single punch.
He mentioned that Garou seemed a little stronger than the usual nothings he faced, but it was hard to tell since he was still so far above that fighting Garou was the same as fighting anyone else so far.
He's just gotten a bit better at holding back lately so it feels like a real fight. Still the inflection was that he was just as bored battling this guy as all the others, but he could almost tell he was a little better than normal. Not that he's close to Saitama's level at all here, but more like he's a super fly among regular flies.
Simply saying ''she's a god'' means nothing.
She says she only took a small portion of Godoka's power, she's a reality warper with unknown powers and doesn't have any power other than being able to erase memory of Madoka.
She's simply a law, like Godoka, which is why she belongs in the special tier.
It's not like I have to ask him directly but whatever.
Put umineko's characters together with Nabeshin in special-tier, they are uncomparable to the usual characters in the chart.
How is Nabeshin uncomparable?
He's the goddamn director, that's some real meta-meta-bullshit.
I know what Umineko top tiers are capable of, that is literally nothing compared to full power Zeed.
Umineko characters can simply come back to life by thinking. And their powers are OP as fuck.
Yeah but they fight which would place them somewhere in the chart.
It's not like they have powers that is special enough not to be fought like Shiki or anyone else in the special tier.
I get your grudge with the Witches in Umineko but there's honestly no where to put them except either completely removing them, causing a shitstorm, or putting them in the special tier where they don't belong.
>What does that even mean?
Exactly what it implies. How large is the fiction? Are there Megaverses? or Metaverses?
>If anybody needs to go down it's LoN and Tenchi since their settings only have a couple of universes as opposed to uncountable trillions in series like Eien Shinken or Umineko.
Except that's wrong. Slayers has been confirmed to be AT LEAST a Megaverse. with Tenchi-verse being up there as well. It's not just a couple. There's a reason why they are above the rest.
or do you people not give a shit about the bottom of the list?
Zeed is pretty high up on that list but where would you place him?
>Umineko characters can simply come back to life by thinking.
That's special how? GER can negate itself not-existing and retroactively nullify actions that occur in different dimensions.
What's the distinguishing factor between Mystic and Raw power?
Because it seems to me like AT Fields and Spiral energy rely on very similar mechanics (manifestation of soul/innerstrength and whatnot), so Rei, Eva 01, TTGL, and Anti-Spiral should all be in roughly the same position on the X-axis.
>tenchi and myuugi on par with demonbane
I dont get it.
He's special-tier. Umineko witches are even more difficult to quantify, because of the lack of humour quality.
No seriously, he fucks up everyone's lives in the anime/manga and almost succeeds in ruling the world if it wasn't for Tenma. Johan is so fucking good at what he does that they never managed to catch him, he escaped.
He's pure evil. No, evil itself. In it's most sinister manifestation ever conceived.
He's like the baby from that movie.. What was it called... You know, that movie where a demon baby takes advantage of her "parents'" high position and is implied to have ended up ruling over the world in the end?
The demon baby is basically like Johan.
Nobody is using the Op's one, use >>100250230
as the basis.
Can GER also throw reality raping attacks that are the equivalent to countless universes exploding in an instant?
>4 Medaka Box characters in special tier
So you never read Umineko. Okay.
He's special-tier. Umineko witches are even more difficult to quantify, because of the lack of humour quality.
The Rikka and DARK FLAME MASTER are as powerful as them right?
Those are people wanking Medaka Box.
They're high-Low tier at best. The only one that truly belongs there is Ajimu.
Zeed casually destroys and creates universes, exists outside of time-space, entire dimensions and realities are dependent on his existence to exist.
GER is not about destructive power though. It could nullify those attacks however, considering its not bound to time or space, without actually doing anything like we saw with how Diavolo's King Crimson erases and skips time.
Other than Ajimu, they are there to shut up that fucking base that's all
The Dark Flame Master might actually deserve a spot up somewhere up there.
It's implied that the meta in Ep 8 was what happened and the Witches can do that.
They exist. There's really nowhere to place Witches.
Hopefully, in the next decade, when we see the Witches again, we'll be able to correctly place them somewhere.
Trust me, I know.
If there's anyone who knows more about Johan, it's me.
If I was more bias, I'd even place him in the Special Tier because of how destructive he is.
>Umineko characters can simply come back to life by thinking. And their powers are OP as fuck.
Let's be real for a moment:
Umineko characters, at most, are capable of blowing up islands. Nothing more.
Everything beyond that is just smoke and mirrors with powers and capabilities relative to each other.
Outside of that island, they are capable of nothing outside of human feats.
>Yeah but they fight which would place them somewhere in the chart.
It's not like they have powers that is special enough not to be fought like Shiki or anyone else in the special tier.
I get your grudge with the Witches in Umineko but there's honestly no where to put them except either completely removing them, causing a shitstorm, or putting them in the special tier where they don't belong.
They fight against each other in a fucking meta-plane, as far as you know it's a story made up by Aurora and the author. I don't give a damn about them, it's simply ridiculous to see them up near real monsters like Demonbane or Tenchi.
Haven't you ever wondered why Japs never drag them in? Because it's dull and baseless.
You want to put them? Fine, but then Nabeshin is as strong as them,
>Added a few different characters but the only controversial right now is Reimu being places a bit higher or so.
Anon who asked about this placement up near the top of the thread here.
I'm still legitimately confused as to why she and Sakuya aren't near the bottom of the chart. Neither of the two have been shown or said to be able to destroy cities and shit like a lot of the people below them. Arcueid is sandwiched between or right next to them on these charts and neither have ever come close to pulling some of the bullshit she did.
Hell, I wandered into some /jp/ 2hu powerlevel thread a month or two back and neither came up very often at all. The only reason I can think of is the shit people bring up about Reimu being able to channel gods with training or whatever, and we have no idea what that's actually capable of on the higher end.
I actually put two of them Medaka and Kumagawa but there was too much fucking bitching so I just put them in the Special tier.
And by doing so, it really just cuts all other characters from being included and the discussion finally stops.
That's utter bullshit though.
Rokkenjima is just a game board.
Voyagers are pretty much all-powerful gods. No, it's not some metacrap. It was already real back in Higurashi.
GER can reality warp, put people into infinite death loops, nullify and put zero on the value of abstract concepts like reality, time-space, willpower, etc...
When it did all of that against Diavolo, it technically "did not exist" since the present universe was temporarily erased by King Crimson's time erase. It was capable of retroactively returning things back to the origin point before Diavolo did anything, while it was non-existent and Diavolo was in an alternate dimension.
GER isn't really about power like the other anon said, pure brokenness. Hence why even its stand info card reflects it.
You don't even understand what witches are. Okay.
You're wanking too hard. Stop it. There's only one true God in ESS and that's the Singular Shinken, below that are the three Cosmic Balancers, then below them are the rank 1 shinkens who were born from the Cosmic Balancers. Myuugi belongs to.the group of rank 1 wielders. So, she's not the most powerful in the series at all.
Since the Cosmic Balancers are in fact the Singular Shinken divided into 3 parts, then only they can be said to be embodiment of existence itself. All the other shinkens from 1 to 9 are either born from one of the Cosmic Balancers or are born from other shinkens of the 1st to 3rd rank.
You obviously don't.
There are so many evidences that they are real in EP8 you either went through it with a skip or never even read it.
The real reason, not that anyone would ever admit it, is because of the pasta about Sakura that shows that she's OP as fuck and has endless amount of power and potential.
I tried placing her lower a while back but an insane amount of people bitched at me so I didn't touch her.
But those powers don't manifest themselves in any ways that can't be explained by normal circumstances.
The radius's of their abilities are a small town and a small island. Outside of that, they have little recognizable impact.
So are you guys doing proper edits to the chart >>100250230 or are you guys just keep circlejerking?
And in the ?????, they mention that they were just playing a part for the gameboard, so they obviously exist.
Either way, the next WtC might answer a few things and give us a better insight on Witches in general.
GER's power only affects itself, what's your point?
Okay, I'm all hears. Feel free to tell me these so called evidences and specify why we should care about them in a powerlevel chart.
Anon who made the chart here.
I got some time to kill, what do you need changed?
GER has almost no destructive power, the closest thing it has to attacks are an ability that saps the will out of the opponent so they can only be frozen while the proceeding hits comes at them, and regular punches and kicks that can break at least concrete or maybe steel.
GER is mainly the ultimate shield, but if it does manage to kill you then you're stuck in an infinite loop of infinite deaths that can never be escaped or broken.
Zeed creates so many parallel worlds, alternate realities, dimensions, and universes that the gate in Myotismon's castle uses a system of cards to travel between worlds.
There are at least ten cards in total, and each possible combination those cards can create leads to a different reality.
With these ten cards, there is 3,628,800 different possible combinations, each leading to an alternate universe. That is showcased in Adventureverse alone.
Zeed is pretty OP.
He caused a whole town to kill each other without much effort.
This wouldn't be a big deal if he had some crazy power but the thing is... He has no power. For someone with no powers, making a whole town kill each other with little to none effort is quite a feat.
Alesiter Crowley should be at the same Level as Magic god Othinus to begin with.
Correction: GER has no direct offensive power and its abilities are not centered around beating or blowing shit up to pieces.
But the fact it can reality warp on a very high scale and with its specific power to nullify and reduce the value of actions, concepts, and whatever else it targets to zero makes it pretty damn broken.
No point having Knight leader on the list as well, also add Success to Magic god. That about covers the Index lore for this list.
If chartmakers listened to everything 2hu fanon came up with, Ex-Rumia and Nitori's sister and whatever other fanmade bullshit is floating around out there might as well be added.
If ZUN wants someone to have a bullshit power with endless potential, he'll spell it out like he did for Yukari. Last I checked he hasn't done so for many beyond her and maybe the lunarians.
...with that said, you don't actually have to move them if you don't want to deal with a shitstorm. Though, granted, that's basically every power level thread in a nutshell, so...
Where the fuck are Ichijou and her imouto?
Alright done. She was just close to him so I moved her up by a few pixels.
Who are they and why should they be added?
You got the Index and Type-Moon series done just right. good job.
Needs Naruto for comparison sake
Why is Demondane being beaten by that Tenchi faggot and that Myuugi slut
Also, should ZEED be moved like some anon suggested? He's already high up on the list imo.
If Dante is in it then where would Demi-Fiend place?
I already placed Obito because some guy wanted him and he was honestly the highest guy in the series.
And I don't BELIIIEEEEVEEEEE IT that he should be anywhere on that list.
Why is Sailor Moon so high up?
Dante isn't anime.
Because this chart is doomed, no point in arguing about it.
Watch Pani Poni Dash. She's the eccentric class president with unlimited reality bending powers.
Madara is stronger by a huge amount over Obito
Why is Yuki and Sailor so high? Above fucking Noein characters? Really? Are people just deluded?
Some anon made the case that she's a multi traveling being who goes to the future to fight evil gods or some shit.
She's severely OP as fuck.
This discussion is stupid. Evidence is the "Special Tier" box, where are placed all those characters you don´t know where fucking put ...
The anime and manga, as a rule, doesn´t have to file a logic in the power hierarchy even within the same story. How can you pretend to create a definitive chart that hosts all the characters of all the series?
The only real power is what I call the "power of the plot writer," where the author has full authority to make strong the weak and reduce to ashes the weak. Everything else is an empty discussion
Instead of arguing over the already-filled top tiers, why aren't you faggots suggesting characters for low tiers? Plenty of non-cosmic level characters with some powers of sorts.
Where is Goku in God form?
Just traveling to future and fighting some "Gods" is laughable compared to people that eat universes or create parallel universes for breakfast.
Ah, Pani Poni, it's on my backlog.
She would be placed in the Special Tier if she belongs anywhere.
Thought I'm not really sure if she can qualify.
Bobobooobobo was sort of a fighter so he barely qualified, still wonder if he should be removed or not.
That's why the best chart are either the Raildex or the TM ones.
I added ''Saiyan God'' over him rather than the SS because people were bitching whether or not he was up to SS3 or some shit.
Yeah, but I honestly don't want more goddamn Naruto characters in the chart and I'm still unsure if I should just remove entirely Obito from the list.
What about Bleach and Wan Piss characters?
No, shit, this is fanwank and theory bullshit, at least with Raildex we have a smaller frame of reference.
You always get the faggots who complain that their god/being is stronger than X because of insane bullshit one way or another.
Why is Homura so low?
>became the devil
>rewrote the rules of the universe without needing a wish like Madokami
People suggested placing Bleach characters but people didn't really know where to place them and ended up being ''lel they're too random in their powerlevel'' that nothing was added.
I'm all ears to where to put them though.
Homura is original Homura.
Devil Homura isn't even canon.
The Raildex one is pretty fucking good.
Still needs to show Magic God Othinus at the same level as Crowley although, but people just got NT9 which shows off Othinus's bullshit powers in full force so it's in need of a update
>Dante isn't anime.
But the DMC anime exists and is canon to the games.
I just went to reskim the Touhou fluff and checked the wiki in case they got some new powers recently or some shit. I see nothing that justifies Reimu and Sakuya being that high.
If the argument for them is actually just entirely fanwank theory posts, I'd move Sakuya down to a little below Homura. It's ridiculous that timestop + throw knives is that much higher than timestop + throw some fucking bombs, or even higher at all.
Reimu should probably just get off the list, or just get shoved into special if people are going to be that fussy about her potential ability to channel gods.
I guess I'd argue that TTGL should be one pixel above the Anti-Spiral instead of the other way around, but that's just my OCD speaking.
So is Othinus broken or what?
Sakuya can warp space.
It's >>>/v/ so no.
Unless the game was based on the anime, I'd agree but it isn't the case.
If that were the case, I'd bring in all the X-men in this shit since they too have anime which is based on the comics and here come >>>/co/ to ruin the fun.
I placed the Anti-Spiral a pixel above STTGL because of people who said that the Anti-Spiral had to lower themselves to fight and I just wanted to fuck with people's OCD like that.
Can't be bothered to fix all of them, so I only fixed some of the more glaring mistakes.
Tenchi is the only confirmed true omnipotent. The others near him either approach it or are simply just very, very, very powerful in a grand cosmic scale. Fanboys need to just deal with that fact. And Featherine is the pretty much the author, though I'm considering that she be moved to special tier.
It has an anime, so it counts.
>Myuugi under Narukana
Are you even familiar with those characters?
>Demonbane under Featherine
You had ONE FUCKING JOB
>Korosensei being that far up
No it doesn't.
It didn't originate from anime.
The issue with Featherine is that she isn't the author.
Although she's an obvious self-insert of the author, she actually her own character in the series and not some random person with godlike powers who can do whatever he/she wants.
He's a planetbuster.
Where would you place him?
Breaking the entire world, Recreating it from Scratch and altering it to her will , time control while using her powers, she created a time loop and kept killing Touma Over and Over again for about 1.5 years - 2 years (about 10k+ deaths). While also being the strongest Mage in the world on top of being a Real God (Odin [first real god shown in the series]).
Just that from the spoilers we got. There is alot more apparently but we don't have the Raw's yet just the summary
Stop wanking her. Narukana is supposed to be the strongest rank 1 shinken. Period. She runs on null and that's stronger than mana based shinken.
>It didn't originate from anime.
So what? A bunch of things here are also not anime by originating from LNs, VNs, and manga rather then pure anime original stuff.
Who gives two fucks about your standard for that.
Seconding this, reality warping with delusions and Di-sword which makes it easier to reality warp and can cut through most things if I remember right. Would be mid-low tier though. Limiter for gigolomaniacs is kind of unknown though.
It's not /a/, so fuck off.
The only reason you want Dante is because you like the games, not the anime.
Where would LoL characters fit on there?
I'll right, I'll add him.
Give me a minute or so.
So Weapon user / Reality Warper?
Narukana got wrecked by Rogas. Myuugi is Rogas's arch-nemesis.
>its not /a/
Why is Accel below Izzard if >>100253312 has him much higher?
And nearly every at top is /jp/ tier, by your logic remove them.
Pretty much, Also not human, he himself is a reality warp, being a delusion
Not him, but the chart we are making is showing Non-angel Accel, not his angel wing forms.
Why is Super Saiyan God Goku so fucking low? Why is Demonbane losing to faggots? Why is Sailor Moon so goddamn high? Why arent the special tier people in the normal rankings?
Do you see where this is going?
>questions we have already answered
Oh I assumed awakened = angel mode. Is there any reason we shouldnt have accel at full power?
>actually her own character in the series
I suppose so, but her powers are literally author power.
Only reason why Narukana got beaten is because she can't access her full powers due to the fact she doesn't have a wielder. Obviously, that isn't the version we are using
shit explanations is not an explanation
"b-because I said so!"
No not really, he should be just below Gaberial (not that much lower but enough that it is noticeable), just use the picture they have on the >>100253664 chart for Accel.
Alright, so which chart is the best?
Also, why are so many people in Special Tier? Isn't that reserved for people with powers that would negate other character's powers, or are just unclear? Shiki and Touma make sense. Akuma Homura on the other hand, doesn't. Neither does Medaka. Neither does Haruhi, really. Why aren't those character's properly ranked?
Homura is my waifu and I still don't think she's a super special snowflake. I think she should be ranked around TTGL.
I meant >>100253312 not >>100253664, obviously
Didn't mean to respond to you, my bad.
I bet you're the same anon shitposting Rance threads.
To be fair, it's not like we know enough about Aleister or Aiwass to rank them properly. Honestly, they shouldn't be on either chart yet.
I'm using this one >>100233875
By the description of her powers, how the hell does she have an arch nemesis. Shouldn't said nemesis be auto-erased?
They are answered every fucking day.
True, but if we don't have Any index representation people will want to add them to the chart. Just make the Accel edit and leave it as is.
An absolute chart can't exist if it isn't made up by the author, but at least you can compare characters with similar powers. What's the point of comparing Tenchi and Demonbane when both of them are the strongest in their relative universer?
I really don't think that justifies her being raised for the same reasons as Reimu and the power to channel gods, though. ZUN gives plenty of people some vagueish offscreen powers that sound OP as fuck on paper like "nomming history" but doesn't care much to go into detail about them or their limitations. Yukari is acceptable because he actually went slightly more in-depth for once and added all sorts of shit to her entries like "Oh, yeah, her power lets you flip the fucking horizon upside-down, have fun."
As people said above about Alucard, we're can't move him higher just because he has unspecified boundaries. Presumably Accelerator wouldn't be where he is if all we knew was "He can fuck with physics to some degree." We can safely place him because we've actually seen or gotten explicit fluff about what that entails.
Granted I haven't followed any of the recent 2hu manga, so if Sakuya has actually been opening up distortions in space on people's faces and instagibbing them recently, I'll withdraw my statements. Otherwise, we probably shouldn't be guessing high about these powers. I mean, for fuck's sakes, I've seen the pastas about how Cirno can destroy the world with her power and we're not taking that seriously...
She's the leader of Law, one of the two main organizations in the series. What we know is that most Law Eternals who went from ally to hostile attacker/enemy due to greed were obliterated from existence already. Those who survived only survived because they took hostile actions against her.
So, you gotta take action first for her auto defense to trigger.
Stop dicking around with omnipotents, they are not going to be resolved. When will you people realize this.
People bitched that Accel was much lower than Accelerator so I placed him lower.
LN is fine.
2hu is /jp/ is is also liked by /a/
Goku gets killed by heart attack.
Goku is actually the one people bitch most about since he's either too low or too high.
So fuck it, he stays there.
Rance is chill.
Don't know where he would fit in a powerlevel chart though.
Also Give me a minute with Takumi, he's face is giving my photoshop problems.
Guy also wields a rank 1 ES and holds no real hostility towards anyone. He's always smiling and shit, like if his emotions died.
And Myuugi just don't give a crap about him.
>only things I like are allowed
Don't care. The DMC anime is canon and explains fluff from the games. Its not an adaption of the games and an original work.
Deal with it. 90% of the top tiers of that chart are not even anime or manga original characters.
Fun fact: somebody made Myuugi for Mugen.
She auto kills the enemy the moment fight starts. Like you die 0.1s after match begins.
There are some hilarious videos of Nico with her.
Nah m8, its not even like that. The only thing known about Aleister's level is that he was the greatest magician ever. That's an incredibly vague and meaningless statement by itself, and we know even less about Aiwass, only that his magic is of a different aeon from Aleister.
they didn't took*
So who is Featherine? Is she just some chick who writes stories about other people? Can she even be attacked or could she just write that she's not being attacked?
>LN is fine
But technically /jp/ material as the source work.
>2hu is /jp/ and is also liked by /a/
So you admit its not /a/ but /a/nons like video games, especially Japanese ones a lot but that's not okay? Nice double standards.
/jp/ material and not /a/.
Go read Umineko. Good read, etc.
Alright, added him but I don't know where to place him.
>Myuugi for Mugen.
>There are some hilarious videos of Nico with her.
L-Link? I'd like to see them.
Here you go I fixed it for you.
Esdese above Kakine. That makes no sense. Who thought that would make sense?
Takumi seems about right, there are a few he could theoretically beat, but he's way to weak minded to.
It's been a while since I read Chaos;Head, but that seems like a reasonable place to put him. Thanks anon.
Just fuck off already. Ask /v/ to make a chart if you want him that bad.
Everything is fine so long it's anime related.
Having Dante in using ''he's in an anime and has the same shit as the video game'' is just using video game as a crutch to get him in.
2hu is debatable which is why I only added Reimu whom defeated most of the cast so no one else was added.
People in special tier are people who can't be placed.
You're bias with Homura because she's your waifu when we honestly don't know much about her source of power (Godoka already being in the special tier) and her powers shown only relate to what she stole from Madoka.
To even place her in the chart is shit imo since she honestly don't even belong.
Everyone else in the special tiers are those that cannot be fought normally or fight under special conditions.
Medaka was to shut everyone up about her placement.
Higher or lower than Goku mostly, so fuck it and placed her in the special tier and everyone is fine with it.
Are you ever going to move LoN down? LoN isn't a real omnipotent.
Oh just fuck of you madokafag.
The reason I placed Homura and Madoka was symbolic you fucking dense fuck.
They're both in opposites.
Now kindly go away.
below Dota characters, based on Dota lore
This is "ok" , but some things seem out of place like Killua out of all the HxH characters.
Fuck I hate asking for this, where is LoN?
I can't find it.
Just rewatched the remake movies and StrikerS and nowhere in there did Fate move at the literal speed of lightning.
Raw destructive power aside (wherein I'm more than willing to believe Nanoha wins with Buster 4 or whatever it's called), Negi would utterly buttdevastate her and Fate at the same time in a serious fight.
A bit below Demonbane.
Lord of Nightmares.
He would never be able to break through their shields.
And it's stated in the manga that Fate can move at near light speed.
Negi can't even fly properly.
Yeah, I just noticed , I'm fucking retarded and forgot about Lord of Nightmare.
I also put Tenchi a few pixels higher, rather than the bullshit of placing him THAT high up.
The LEAST bad chart I see in here is >>100253664. So why aren't we trying to improve that version instead?
Because Battler is on top and a bunch of fucking holes in the special and removed the Shinigami in the special tier.
Either way, it's made of parts from my chart, it just feels like there'a lot of holes.
Cosmic balancers have their own multiverses running on different laws and all. But it's not such an easy case of them being stronger than Rank 1 wielders.
ES world is far more complex than that.
Eigou and Setsuna created Narukana together, yet she's still weaker than Rogas or Myuugi.
Even complete Narukana with Nozomu is not stronger than them. Null Eternal Nozomu got his ass kicked by Rank 3 wielder in post Seinarukana extra materials.
Not low enough, man. Tenchi should be noticeably higher he is the only real omnipotent. You know what, just copy the top part of >>100253664, even if you don't like the other edits in it. At least the top part is accurate enough.
>he is the only real omnipotent
Eve is also a true omnipotent. Even more than that going by her series canon.
He can fly in Super Saiyan 2 just fine, else Chachamaru and them would really have died.
Considering that Nanoha's an anime before it was a manga, I'm only using the anime as reference (and the movies to a degree). If we start going into rewrites, we just walk down the road of Marvel and DC adding all sorts of bullshit that no one wants.
Given that, lighting speed + shields having cast times = Negi wins. If you can argue beyond that with the Nanoha anime vs the Negima manga, I'm all ears. If you're not, I'll have to get down and read some terrible, terrible stuff before finally getting to BetrayerS again.
>2hu is debatable which is why I only added Reimu whom defeated most of the cast so no one else was added.
2hu is actually canonically magic paintball, though. The entire purpose of the in-game battles with most of the cast is to avert actual fights and compete with the art and beauty of danmaku or whatever the fuck else was included in the spell card rules. Hell, apparently Reimu/the player using continues is also canon.
Still stand by them being ranked pretty damn low - again, nowhere is it implied that any but a handful of 2hus can city bust.
and yeah we should probably move shinigami out of there at some point
To be fair, general placings seem to be based more on raw destructive power than actually beating someone else in a fight. Homu is rock bottom of the list and could probably just timestop-headshot and kill a lot of the lower half who aren't Alucard/Arcueid/Kissshot/other guys with regeneration cheat codes.
Alright, I'll significantly make him higher.
How about now?
No, the CB are stronger. They can't enter their own multiverse or any of the other CB's multiverse without destroying it. That's why they send down avatars of themselves. Aselia holds one CB avatar and her daughter holds another avatar. But since these avatars are asleep or not fully awakened, they can't be used to scale power yet.
Naruakan without wielder is going to be weaker than a rank 1 wielder who can draw out a shinken's full power. But it's clearly suggested that she's the strongest if she there's a wielder who can draw out all her powers. Nozomu in the fandisc is an incomplete High Null Eternal, so he's already nowhere near full power. Plus, what was really kicking his ass was the null mana that kept trying to annihilate him out of existence, which he kept on trying to struggle against.
>shields having cast times
Their automatic shields have no cast times.
And they are more than enough to tank everything in Negima.
Save Asuna's sword if we assume it's effective against techno-magic.
You're the guy who kept saying Adam was omnipotent, but then he made Lilith to be above him, then both made Eve. Omnipotent just doesn't work that way. At best they're above the Chousins who are nigh omnipotents, but none of them are real omnipotents.
Anyways, the thread is going to 404 and I'm going to watch Wolf of Wall Street, so peace.
Hopefully the changes work.
I'll make another thread tomorrow or something to change whatever needs to be fixed.
I guess that's fine. Still need to fix a lot of other placement though. Like Yukari who shouldn't be anywhere close to universal.
Not this bullshit again. God and rock, etc.
There are many definitions of omnipotence.
Please list everyone that needs to be moved before it 404 and I'll changed them.
Where would Yukari be?
Do it now since this thread is three threads away from 404.
Paradoxical cannot be used.