why do people praise this shit so much /a/? to me it's like k-on,but with "avant garde" shit on top.
You must have brain damage.
You have the opinion of an uneducated fool, so why should we bother trying to explain that work to you? I'd be like trying to teach abstract psychology to a toddler who's still rolling over in his own shit.
I see daytime /v/ has started
stem student, my favorite animus are GitS, Mushishi and aoi bungaku series,but haibane renmei has no depth,thought provoking plot or anything like that, only cute girls with fucking wings.
Do you really mean it?
It went over your pretentious head.
> only cute girls with fucking wings
no wonder you don't get why this is /a/'s most 2deep4u gem
None of you people are providing any discussion. OP has a valid point.
I enjoyed it more for Nakamura's signature atmosphere than for the story. It's pretty much just a coming-of-age story told differently.
You could say it tackled things like grief and acceptance too, but in the end, it's just cute girls (courtesy of ABe) and a poignant setting.
>None of you people are providing any discussion.
There is no incentive for discussion when you throw buzzwords around, and grossly reduce a work's worth from the get go. It only calls for mockery and shitposting. Start your thread intelligently and you will maybe get intelligent replies. Start it like a retard and you will get called out.
Haibane Renmei is not even 1% as good as K-On
is not a coming of age story
It has it's parallels.
Only No Longer Human, man.
And to answer your question seriously:
spoiler'd for blog shit
I was very depressed when I saw it for the first time, and the way this show spoke about depression rang very true to me. It ended up helping me by the end to try to reach out to others for help.
I always thought it was a story about redemption
Is NieA Under 7 any good? I never see anyone talk about it.
You must be an engineering student, only an engineering student can be this stupid.
now some music
If you can dismiss something without the proper arguments and then list your "credentials" to try to make a case for your intelligence, I am afraid you are not really convincing anyone of it.
This is what is wrong with STEM majors most of the time.
>only cute girls with fucking wings.
This is a bad thing?
Haneone is seriously one of the best albums I have ever heard. What a beautiful OST.
>no depth in characters
>no depth in plot
>no creative world for the characters to live in unlike say for insance ghibli movies, where it also fails on the first two points aforementioned.
tell me where the 3deep5u part is and I'll accept it is good.
No, unless you claim to be objectively good.
you don´t have to accept that is good, you can continue thinking the way you do, but you can't said is bad, you can said that you didn't like it.
and beside no matter what we say you won't change your opinion
>no depth in characters
>no depth in plot
I'm starting to think you didn't finish the series before making this thread.
Pretty much this.
How many episodes did you even watch before picking a stance on it you fucking retard? My heart needs to believe you're trolling, but at this point nothing would surprise me.
>depth,thought provoking plot
Why do Stemfags think they can just go, "I'm smart, I don't have to prove it"?
all of them, not even joking. I was about to drop it when rakka fell on the well tbh.
Maybe you should have.
A high amount of aspies go into STEM fields.
They can't help being pretentious pricks.
Most people think this way. STEM is useful and challenging, but it doesn't mean you're a certified critic/intellectual on everything.
50 posts in and no one has even tried to present an actual argument OP is wrong.
>but it doesn't mean you're a certified critic/intellectual on everything.
Perhaps that's more accurate. Why do they think that because they excel at sciences and maths that the are better than everyone else at everything?
>no one has tried to present an actual argument
To what? OP didn't give us anything to argue with except "it's like k-on,but with "avant garde" shit on top."
This guy said it best
In any case:
This is answering the question "why does /a/ like this?"
the first half to Haibane might actually be the most "feel good" thing I've ever watched.
sure the premise can be summed up quickly by just saying "cute girls doing cute things", but it's so much more powerful than just that, the soundtrack, the world, the dialogue between characters, it's all just so fulfilling for the audience.
It's because ultimately, shows like this operate entirely on eliciting an emotional response. Either the aesthetic resonates with you or it doesn't. There's no deeper reasoning other than that.
But Nakamura didn't work on Haibane.
Same reason why they bash liberal arts: since being good at math or science is quantifiable, then they dismiss things that are not as having little to no value in "the real world", or as more trivial.
I've always liked series like this because of the speculah.
The art direction was incredible, especially in the color department.
Pseudo-intellectual series with some actual meaning behind a lot of the shit that goes on. Its a nice series and thus people get very attached to it while simultaneously getting tricked into thinking that writing the concept of a purgatory makes it interesting and worthwhile from a creative standpoint.
>getting tricked into thinking that writing the concept of a purgatory makes it interesting and worthwhile from a creative standpoint
While I agree with your >pic related I don't know if I do with Haibane Renmei. Mostly because I'm weary of the word "pseudo-intellectual". What does that even mean anymore?
creativity means nothing, there isn't an original idea in ANY medium, it's about execution, and Haibane executes itself incredibly well, Angel Beats on on the other hand not so much, in my opinion.
there's also an 8year difference between Haibane and Angel Beats, not that they are really comparable
Thank you for posting concept art, anon.
ABeshit will always be the best shit
Your taste is shit. Why does something always have to be either deep or light-hearted? People always call things out on being failed 3deep5u the moment they are somewhere in the range but not on either extreme. How you would compare this to K-On just because it has cute girls makes me think you've watched painfully little anime of the sort. If you still manage to think this with sufficient background, I am kind of amazed. If you don't watch out you'll be like the faggots who feel urged to draw parallels, that exist as elements in countless other anime, between K-On and Sora no Woto because the similar art style made them think of it.
To put it simply, in this situation it means that the series tries to come off as more meaningful and thought provoking than it actually is.
>creativity means nothing
While I agree with the rest of what you are saying, that's a little harsh, particularly since I would say that the creativity in this case *is* the execution.
the word you're looking for is pretentious
>creativity means nothing, there isn't an original idea in ANY medium
>there's also an 8year difference between Haibane and Angel Beats
>not that they are really comparable
both are about a purgatory that at first seems light and happy but gets increasingly stressed as the series progresses
Subtlety is loss on some people. Maybe a run down of each character's personality traits was necessary for him.
Really? I guess I thought it felt like something he worked on after watching Kino's Journey.
I agree. Subdued colors are a given in these kinds of atmospheric shows, but they really did great with this one.
I fucking love ABe shit
These two words are about a personal experience one has with the work. How can one person dismiss it by saying it doesn't have that for all people? Perhaps to you it wasn't meaningful or thought provoking, but for others it was. It doesn't mean anything about the actual quality of the series since it's an objective measure.
you bring up the concept of creativity saying Haibane isn't creative, and post a picture of Angel Beats, a series that came out 8 years later, that is backwards
Why do you seek out thought provoking or profound/deep things in anime?
It's a fucking cartoon god damn it, go read a discourse on philosophy or something. Either way, it's a waste of time.
> both are about a purgatory that at first seems light and happy but gets increasingly stressed as the series progresses
To be fair, there are more comedic elements early on in Angel Beats than in Haibane, which made the whiplash into "dark" territory not very subtle or, in my opinion, well done. I remember a thread when it was airing that was people arguing about how the series suddenly tried to make people dying into this sad thing, when a few episodes before, it was something funny.
In Haibane, I would say that you are aware there is something odd going on from the first moment, and even when it is "light and happy", there are hints that something is off all the way through.
cute characters, great music, pretty intense depiction of depression and how it affects the people around you
sorry you didn't like it
>go read a discourse on philosophy
It's not the same without cute anime girls.
But Haibane felt very natural, it's not as if it was trying to drum its message into your head. Not to mention the story itself can be enjoyed without even speculating about the world if you really don't want to, the sense of mystery helps you to empathize with Rakka.
I don't think depth equates intricacy anyway.
There are some examples, to be fair. Kino's Journey is a great one.
I just stated I was a stem student, cause someone said I was to retarded to understand hnr.
By the same logic I could state you are all liberal art major butthurt because "muh feelings"
>you are all liberal art major
No man, I am also a stem student.
>I just stated I was a stem student, cause someone said I was to retarded to understand
Just because you are a stem student doesn't mean you are not retarded.
So am I, but you should really go read some literature before giving your opinion on these matters.
The thing is, unlike k-on haibane renmei is praised like a work of art, and therefore I expected more of it than a simple plot with forgettable characters.
Do you think their wings twitch when they orgasm?
Don't play dumb. You know the reputation stem students have.
And, like a work of art, opinion is subjective. It is too bad that you didn't enjoy it, but that doesn't detract from its value.
I was feeling the series up until she had to forgive the crow to make her wings stop turning black. It's a fukkin' bird, it doesn't understand people words.
I watched the whole thing and I understood it but it was such a boring anime that I felt like it was a waste of a waste of time. Plus character designs are uninspired as all hell
>I'M SMART I SWEAR
>IT'S BAD BECAUSE I SAID SO
This is pretty accurate ITT.
I have no problem with simple plots and shallow characters, but I do when these same elements are praised for no reason.
that is what you are lacking.
you insensible bastard
sorry for the "bastard", I just like to use that word
>I just stated I was a stem student
That you stood on that as an indicator of intelligence is the problem. Being in a STEM field doesn't automatically impart reasoning skills; being an undergraduate invalidates any reputation that graduates have. A smart person would, in addition to using proper punctuation and grammar, look for reasons people like the show before asking, and explain their reasoning rather than stand on title.
OH the Toga
>work of art
You've done it now. I hope you weren't pulling out something as subjective and disagreed upon as what qualifies as a work of art, without being ready to give me your definition of one, were you? K-On and Haibane Renmei are aiming for incredibly different things, but in my opinion both succeed very well in delivering a feeling to the viewer. I'm not going to comment on whether they are works of art or not, but I'd be very interested in hearing from you what disqualifies them, the execution or some principle you have?
Fantastic. This OST is amazing.
Though this is most probably a troll thread, I am happy that only the OP has become incoherent for the most part.
This discussion is actually very interesting, carry on.
Another great song
The revelation about the Toga during that part was pretty great.
Haibane Renmei and Sora no Woto are one of my favorites.
>it's like k-on
It's done by Yoshitoshi ABE, what more do you need?
Oh and, the OST of Haibane and SnW are fucking glorious.
to all the /a/nons who like haibane renmei
SnW's OST has some fantastic songs, but imo the overall quality is not as good as Haibane Renmei's
I like this song, but I don't know why
Love the Klimt references in the OP. Classy as fuck and really adds to the whole mystery of the combined cultures feeling.
I only watched a few episodes of it, I stopped after I realized I would end up overanalyzing things and make the show depressing for myself
I have nothing to say to anybody defending this because they'll refuse to change their stance no matter what. Just want to say I agree with OP that this show isn't very good
It's nice, has a great western sort of feel to it. For some reason, it reminds me of:
If you are already depressed you were probably better off, but you missed out at the same time. This show makes a lot of sense when you're in that state.
No I wasn't depressed, it was more me being a conspiracy nut
I respect your opinion, though I disagree with it.
I don't remember the OST being this good.
I agree with you and OP.
I'm a stem student you can trust me
ok guys you answered my question, that is all I wanted to know, the funny part here is that you threw ad hominems at me because I didn't agree with what you like. When I used the word "shit" it wasn't meant as derrogatory, but simply 4chan lingo. Go ahead and post more of your angel girls.
would they be erogenous zones though?
I'm glad we could elucidate you.
Stem student here.
I agree with you
>simply throwing 4chan lingo
And yet I feel you aren't from here.
so the story was about people who committed suicide,or I'm thinking too much
Actually I'm a stem professor and I think this show is amazing.
>I am a student that does not specialize in literature, expression philosophy and art
>this somehow qualifies me to comment on it
Are you retarded? STEM means you don't have any professional basis for your opinions at all. Not that you need to be a liberal arts fag to have an opinion, but you're making a poor case.
no idea. I remember watching this, but don't remember anything about it, couldn't have left much of an impression. might have to rewatch it if /a/ likes it this much
Hey /a/, I don't understand this, is it deep?
because it is about suicide
You can be a STEM student or a liberal arts student ansd still be a raging retard.
I have strong suspicions you are a real world example of this.
Bingo. Home is purgatory, where those who sinned in death (suicide) come to terms with what drove them to take their life. Their names are taken from the nature of their death: Rakka/落下 jumped to death; Reki/礫 stood on the gravel in front of a train; Nemu/眠る probably overdosed on medication. Cocoon dreams are visions of their death, and wing lightness is an indicator of their "purity of thought". Haibane are supposed to come to terms with their past life and pass on, but some fight against that system, and that's what the story is about. This is not a happy story, which is typical for ABe.
STEM student here. I disagree.
>Liberal art student
>Literaly wasting your monney on racist "it's all the whiteys fault" subjects like "postcolonial studies" and unscientific reality denying "gender in X"
liberal arts people dont learn anything but brainwashing subjects theese days
Fucking barbarian. Go watch another fucking holywood action flick
I wasn't saying liberal arts is better, I'm saying STEM doesn't qualify your input in a story-debate one way or the other. how fucking retarded can you be?
Yes my god damn feelings. This is all about feeling and if you're too autistic to connect you can crawl back wherever you came from and think cold calculative thoughts instead of trying.
>how fucking retarded can you be?
It's not that hard. Same reason we like NHK ni youkoso.
Most people who end up here are depressed and disillusioned kids trying to escape reality. These shows pander to their percieved exclusion and their rejection of our current society.
I always thought that only those who committed suicide became the black winged Haibane. The rest who didn't just died early/violently/whatever. Basically all of them lived unfulfilled lives but only a few actually killed themselves.
Suicide seems the most likely, but there's no proof of motivation except Reki. Either way you cut it, it's purgatory in the end.
>my favourite animus are...
>I am a casual
That explains the shit opinion.
I completely disagree. It's not purgatory.
I think it has more to do with The Pure Land from the Amidist sect of Buddhism (probably the biggest sect in Japan) than with the Christian purgatory.
The characters are there to be cared, healed and enlightened not purged via punishment for their sins like they would be if it was purgatory.
The series has a lot of parallels with Pure Land Buddhism and it's philosophy is clearly Buddhist as well. Things like the senselessness of guilt are too clearly in that line and contradict everything Christianity teaches.
I will someday watch the series again and put my sources together and make a good post about it, now I haven't a lot of time.
And still those shows basically tell them to suck it the fuck up. There's also a difference between pandering and being aimed at someone. ABe had a period of his youth where he might have killed himself if it weren't for a friend, and the guy behind NHK ni Youkoso was a hikki himself. These are stories you can find the artists themselves in, and not fucking pandering.
>plagiarizing somebody elses novel
>a story found in the artist themselves
Even if he took inspiration from something, it's still something that resonated with him and something he would like to give his take on. Originally he never knew Haibane Renmei would be an anime either. I haven't read that novel, but if he wanted his work to be close to his inspiration, it would be because it hit home. I do believe Haibane Renmei came from the heart.
It's not like it would have gotten an adaptation otherwise anyway. At least it ended up being pretty good too.
Don't make a Haibane thread in the day, /a/ is full of kids.
Go watch Naruto or Angel Beats if you wanna your common dark and egdy crap.
>A story beeing partialy self-lived makes it automaticaly not pandering, but instead deep and enriching.
In the retarded internet debate "pander to" is just the mean way of saying "beeing aimed at". Strawman arguments are slowly dumbing down and dillating our language, berieveing it of neuances because noone is willing to read a calm and reasonable piece if they can instead have the dumbed down version full of invectives.
Anyway the point I was making was that /a/ are a bunch of self-percieved outsiders. As you might remeber, before r9k came around and absorbed them, /a/ was >feels >nogf central. This certainly contributes to why many here like these kind of shows so much.
purgatory is a way to put it,I think the show doesn't go for a certain kind of religion, is just like a general idea, but is not a certain religion per se
As for beeing told to suck it up I guess that's the one response they actually want to hear, that society today wont give them.
Instead they're beeing catered by Parents and a state too busy to help all the "underpriviliged" and "mentaly unstable" with medication and social justice programs where a boot in the but and a normal job is far more likely what they need.
Pandering to doesn't really mean aimed at though does it there is more to it than just being 'a mean' version of aimed at. Pandering is more like exploiting the basest desires of the target audience to make thoughtless and easy bucks without effort. Something perceived as pandering is something which has been perceived to have purposefully stifled its own creativity in order to please/manipulate fans or those susceptible to exploitation in that way who may have disliked the thing otherwise.
Just finished this yesterday. I know you call Angel Beats a Haibane Renmei rip-off, but I felt that Haibane lacked any events and story whatsoever. Only the two first and two-three last had any meaning to it. I liked the anime, but I'd rather watch Angel Beats than this.
Also, anime from 2004 looks shitty. Bad resolution, bleak animation.
>anime from 2004 looks shitty
>i've seen about 20 whole animes my opinion is important and valuable!!
>to me it's like k-on
I don't even like Haibane Renmei so much, but you are fucking retarded
I mean that it's at a time where making anime more or less 100% on a computer became more normal, and that it was not nearly optimized.
Looking at the style in Haibane, I guess it's the same studio that made Last Exile(?). None of those looks impressing. And by looking good, I mean that the "resolution" on anime from that time is horrible and very much choppy animation.
it doesn't matter how many anime you have seen to give an opinion
Oh, yeah it's true. It obviously is just an allegory.
But there's profound conceptual differences between purgatory and pure land which I think are important for understanding and analyze the series.
Japanese people already have the necessary background knowledge because they live in a country with a long and very developed Buddhist tradition.
It's more about Buddhist philosophy than Buddhist religion. Buddhist concepts like the wheel of sin are very clearly touched in the series (when The Communicator speaks with Rakka after the Toga save her).
>same studio that made Last Exile
You have no idea what in the fuck you are trying to say but luckily I do and broadly speaking an idiot. However it is unfortunate the anime was digitally mastered yes. If that or 'choppy animation' is something that you will allow to significantly alter your opinion of anime though I would suggest you have likely have never watched and should never watch anything older than 15 years or so.
gonzo made Last Exile
I was kind of excited for a minute when I read there was an All You Need is Kill manga coming out in WSJ, then I read it wasn't ABe doing the manga even though he did the designs for the characters and looking at the first chapter it doesn't look like very much worthwhile at all. Disappointing.
I don't know anything about Buddhist philosophy or Buddhist religion, but you have piqued my interest
Yeah my idea of pandering is what >>100238578 said, that's what I meant.
I still think if ABe did something true to his heart and people who are like him received it well, that's not so strange. It doesn't deprive it of merit, and you not personally identifying with it or the kind of people who would doesn't either. The way you talk about depression in such a generalizing is just nonchalant, we have different personalities and there's no one cure. "A boot in the butt and a normal job" like you say might work for some, and hurt others. Some will never be free of it. I for one don't watch a lot of action, but I don't need to think of those who do as some kind of idiots who like the wrong thing. It has its merit too. Applying your own methods indiscriminately doesn't always work, Anon.
Yeah, I keep away from anime from around 2000-2005 because of that. Call me a faggot, but I can't watch many shows if it's not visually appealing. Older anime are sometimes okay because of blu-ray releases.
>I still think if ABe did something
Only tangentially related but that >>100239121
adaptation puts us one step closer to seeing ABe designs in motion again if they happened to eventually adapt to anime and go back to the LN designs.
Glad to read!
It was pretty mediocre. It's a comedy show that tries to do some serious stuff but it had a low budget and yeah, definitely the weakest of anything I've seen that ABe was involved with.
It is actually his best in my opinion, that may be because I can personally relate to the characters quite well but I found the whole thing quite charming, funny and touching aswell. The washed out colors and low budget seemed to fit it perfectly well being an anime about poverty.
Maybe I should rewatch it some time.
Yeah it wasn't an absolute masterpiece, but it did what it could. I still found it quite enjoyable and would recommend watching it.