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I have definite proof that Asuka is a bitch

If you look closely at her name, you notice the word "suka" in it. Those with knowledge of various languages will know this is the Russian word (spelled cyka) for slut, bitch, etc.

So we split asuka's name, and what do we get?

A suka
A cyka
A bitch
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9 september = 9/11

9/11 = 911

911= US emergency call
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the feds are monitoring this thread
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>>100225189
Whats wrong OP? Cant handle a strong woman?
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First post motherfuckers!
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>>100225189
She is a bitch but your argument relies on mispronouncing her name.
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>>100225189
>>100225338
>>100225405
Quit shitposting
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>>100225631
Says the filthy gaijin
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>>100225691
I might be that, but you're still wrong
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>>100225189
OP is pidoroshka and should go to hui.
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>>100225384
I don't know why people keep saying this. Asuka was never a strong self relying person. She constantly needed the approval of others. In the 5 seconds she didn't get it she literally went crazy.

Rei on the other hand, actually sacrificed herself for someone else. Meanwhile, Asuka was still being a bitch
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>>100226010
Rei is just an empty shell, danderefag.
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>>100226241
in the dissapointment that was rebuild, but in the original series she was able to develop her own sense of self. It was the whole point of the character.

Meanwhile, Asuka just spent the whole series bitching at others and being a general burden. Then letting her issues mindrape her in the end.

And people worship her for this
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>>100226010
rei was as useless a deaf mime
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MOOOOOOOOT
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>>100225189
get out.
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>>100225189
Asuka is a bitch at times but she has a sweet 12/10 waifu core. That's the whole point: interaction isn't going to be totally all handy dandy, there will be fights and conflicts but it's worth it in the end
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Everyone in Evangelion was fucked up and just generally unpleasant.
Out of them all I'd say Misato at least had the guts to admit her mistakes and try to learn from them.
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>>100225189
This is all the definite proof we need that Asuka is indeed a cyka.
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>>100226706
Rei saved Asuka's ass. Then Asuka bitched about it.
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>>100226372
Yeah it was the whole point of her character until we found she was clone number whathaveyou. It completely stripped her character of any meaning in my opinion.
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>>100225189
You're such a try-hard, OP

Also fuck you, OP
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>>100231414
It validated what had already happened and added on a whole new layer of meaning

waddafug man, you can't just wtch NGE as if it was K-ON! or whatever moeshit you asukafags watch
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>>100226241
Better empty than full of shit.
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"suka" means bitch in polish too
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>>100226372
>>100231414
No kids, Rei always had a sense of self, an even deeper sense of self than Asuka or the rest. Rei's issue is whether or not her sense of self should matter, and secondly, her emotional.
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Asuka a bitch but she also a best girl
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>>100234184
That's because Poles are just Russian half breeds, just like Ukrainians.
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>>100235158
But this is Rebuild!Asuka.
She is not even a real redhead.
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>>100225189

What makes it work even more is that Asuka has German heritage - Germany of course has a certain history with Russia, so Russia calling a German a bitch is even more appropriate.
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>>100236062
Better?
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>>100228797

Yeah but it took her years to get to that point and honestly her story is not as fucked up as Asukas. Especially the events that happen after episode 21 if you take for granted that she actually wanted Shinji.

Misato at least had Kaji for some time.


Pretty much everyone should have done some self improvement in Instrumentality theoretically. We didn't see much of her case though in 25/26. Still her first reaction on the beach might give hope.
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>>100236145
Russia fucking rekt Germany too.
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>>100225189
10/10
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>>100225189
Are there people who do not think she's a bitch? This is a fact.
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>>100239212
Maybe...
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>>100239358
Did you watch the show. In 90% of her screentime she was chewing someone out, being irrational or whining about her life.
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>>100239212
>Anon who doesn't think she is a bitch reporting!

Most of nowadays cliche danderes and tsunderes have a copied common past with Asuka. Theu've been alone since they were young, or the lost all their beloved people. So these characters develope a feeling of not needing anyone to live as Asuka.
Anon, if you lost all the people you love, would you be able to still be happy with the world and your life? Then don't blame Asuka for her past.
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>>100239859
People don't blame Asuka for her past, but for her present you faggot.
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>>100239859
She is a bitch. People's pasts don't excuse their own actions.

She acts like a bitch, she IS a bitch.

It is a fact, and if you don't think Asuka is a bitch, you're wrong and deserve pity.
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>>100240908
If her present is conditioned by her past and her past is traumatic by other's fault, then is other's fault that she is how she is in the present.

>>100240970
She is perfect and doesn't deserve being hurt even more
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i am literary daying with laughter op... too much dota 2 i guess where "cyka" is used instead of *space*
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>>100239859
>a copied common past with Asuka
You realize the Eva characters are derivatives, right? Asuka's tragic past is not original and later tsunderes are not based on her.
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>>100241355
>If her present is conditioned by her past and her past is traumatic by other's fault, then is other's fault that she is how she is in the present.
That means Asuka is nothing but a doll then. Too bad!
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>>100241693
Of course she is, that's one of her character's themes.
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>>100241693
The point is that every character is a doll to someone else. Even Asuka with her strong personality is a slave to others' attention.

>>100241514
Those cases were examples, even though, my point is the same.
Still every anime copy something from evangelion
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>>100241938
>That means Asuka is nothing but a doll then.
The cutest doll.
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>>100226010
>sacrificing yourself means you're strong
>not knowing Asuka still kicked more ass than Rei ever did
>he still hasn't seen End of Eva
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>>100242306
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>>100242306
Sure, I'm with you on that, cute, but she is the show's real doll.
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>>100226010
>say Asuka is not strong

Asuka needs people's aproval because of emotional issues from her past, and not even anybody's approval; only people important to her's (Shinji, Misato, Kaji)
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>>100225189
"Suka" is also slang for "suck it" in italian.
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>>100242454
What's that? You want more?
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>>100242891
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>>100242706
It means also sugar on Argentinian.
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>>100242584
If Asuka was strong she wouldn't break down constantly(way more than Shinji, ever) and fuck up so much. I don't get all the shit Shinji gets when Asuka is way worse character-wise and in ability. She seeks approval and then chastises people and pushes them away. She's not being strong, she's just putting up facade.
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>>100243042
>In almost any fuckng Hispanic language
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>>100243042
>In almost any fucking Hispanic language
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>>100242891
Who is that supposed to be behind her?
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>>100243142
>>100243193
So how many hispanic languages are there?
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>>100243070
Although her mind issues he always found the strength to raise and keep fighting.
As I said because of her past she has that attention-seeking problem and superiority complex. But raising herself demonstrates much more strength than Shinji's or Rei's.
>Also Shinji a shit
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>>100241355
Pathetic.

Asuka could just not be a bitch, but there she is, a bitch. She's just rotten to the core.
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>>100242940
Too late to stop it!
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>>100243319
3-4 if you count as the same all the Latino-Americans. If you count them apart there might be around 13-14
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>>100243482
see >>100239859
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>>100243070
Asuka and Shinji both break down about the same amount in the show. Asuka just drops harder than Shinji because she builds herself up on false confidence.
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>>100239859
see
>>100239514
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>>100243548
Since they hare a dictionary I consider them all a single one with just regional differences. Tough now I'm trying to think of one that is legitimately a different language than Spanish.
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>>100243744
As many of the languages on Europe come from Latin you could even count them as only 1. I use to count the Latino-americans as a single one and the europeans individually.
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>>100243626
That's why they're perfect for each other! Maybe then they won't be a bitch and a betamax.
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>>100243692
That's because her issues. She didn't chose to be like that, it's something Rei and her have in common. But Rei remains half-autistic while Asuka keeps soffering and raisind again and again.
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>>100243463
Shinji and Rei are introverted due to shitty backgrounds but even though Shinji runs away he still comes back and fights and even though Rei is replaceable she still gives her all. Asuka on the other hand does crawl back but makes far more misteps than either of them, especially Shinji. Asuka is full of insecurities and lashes out at everyone for it, the definition of weak and petty. At least Shinji acknowledges his flaws.

>Also Shinji a shit
Nah
Misato > Shinji > Rei >>>>>>>>bird poop>>>> Asuka
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>>100243617
see >>100240908
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>>100225189
Whats the matter? Shes not you're "perfect" waifu?
Disgusting, no wonder otakus liked "Moe" Rei so much.
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>>100225189
CAN YOU DIG IT
A SUKAAA
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>>100243626
>Asuka and Shinji both break down about the same amount in the show.
Nope.

>>100243977
>She didn't chose to be like that
Yes she does. She chose to use a bitch persona. No one gave it to her.
>while Asuka keeps soffering
Asuka gets worse as the show goes on.
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>>100243892
>world's most toxic relationship
Maybe in a few years when they're both not so emotionally needy.
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>>100244137
Love is destructive anon.
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>>100243979
Asuka breaks down more just because she has self steem, and neither Rei nor Shinji have because they are weak puppets. Shinij demonstrate strength at EoE and I recognise that. And Rei kept autistic 26 episode for Gendou while at EoE she betrays him. Such a jerk.

So it remains like this

Asuka>Kawouru>Mari>Misato>Rei>Ritsuko>Gendou>Dad Smurf>Shinji

>>100243892
Good point, Anon.
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>>100244029
see >>100241355
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>>100244303
It doesn't have to be.
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>>100244137
You say toxic, I say adorable.
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>>100244440
It's all fun and games until someone gets strangled.
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>>100244130
As far as I know about life one cannot choose how others treat them. So if one's past conditionates one's present personality and one cannot controll one's past one cannot control how one emotionally evolves.

Asukas personality is not only a creation by Asuka.
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>>100244356
>Asuka breaks down more just because she has self steem
She doesn't, that's why she breaks up, faggot.
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>>100244440
Asuka's gonna be crushed when Shinji finally drops the charade and admits he's gay
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>>100244554
When you have yourself on an althar and you find a terrible Shin-faggot synchros better than you with an Eva you get devasted.
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>>100244029
>>100244411
Idiots. Just because someone has a sad past, doesn't justify their actions now.

Asukafags are the worst kind of retard.

>>100244356
No, all of them have self-esteem, and Asuka's is the worst, hence is why she breaks.

Both Rei and Shinji remain more reflected on themselves than Asuka.
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>>100244678
Asuka is shit, in other words.
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>>100244623
The boy's clearly bisexual. She might have to learn to share him though.
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>>100244611
Only so many times the gentle face stroke can stave off Shinji's strangling urges.
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>>100244781
Why is there so much art of Kowaru? He was in one episode and personally I didn't even find him that interesting. It wasn't hard to guess who/what he really was.
I'm guessing he plays a larger part in the Rebuilds or something? Haven't seen those yet.
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>>100244874
Not really, people just love Gay Space Jesus.
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>>100244033
Fun fact: People liked old Rei more. They also preferred Asuka over "moe Rei".

>>100244678
Asuka is a teenage bitch, most classic symptom there is. Good news is, she might grow out of it.

But she's as dumb and worthless as they come, so you need some fundamental character changes to make it work.
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>>100244550
Except that plenty of people who go through similar circumstances end up being different from each other. Just take Asuka and Shinji, they both lost a parent and were abandoned by the other one. but one retreated into his shell while the other one grew fangs. their defense mechanisms are not really a mask of their true self but an extension of who they are. Shinji is a hedgehog, Asuka is a fox.
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>>100244874
It's because he showed Shinji affection and people assumed it was sexual intrest.
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>>100245012
But the Japs definitely prefer "moe Asuka" over old Asuka.
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>>100244771
> correction: Asuka is stronger that all the dicks you've had in your ass together.

>>100244733
Yep, I think suiciding, remaining autistic, neing used as a doll to pilot an Eva when you have all your bones broken; and then betraying the person you've done all that for demonstrates a great self-esteem.
Also piloting an Eva without wanting many times for a person who just give you orders without even looking you at the eyes demonstrates one, too.
Us Asukafags only want her to stop soffering, and with all she soffers keeps rasing again ang againn. Damn, that's praiseworthy
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>>100245012
>Curse of Eva means forever 14
>she might grow out of it
Not if Anno has anything to say about it.
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Who do you think had more tears? The whole cast of EVA or Cryji?
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>>100244874
Nah he doesn't have much of a character and is as shallow and gary stu like as they get, but he's a gay bishounen in a popular series.
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>>100245149
Because they have the shittiest of shit taste.
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>>100245149
They're awful, worthless people and thus they hold awful, worthless opinions.
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>>100244356
>Asuka breaks down more just because she has self steem
Confirmed for not understanding Asuka at all.

>Asuka>Kawouru>Mari
Asuka I can get, she's well written, but the two shttiest characters, really? No wonder you have difficulties understanding her if your taste is so bad.
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>>100244984
>>100245147
>>100245255
Well that's stupid. There was far more interesting characters in NGE than Kowaru. I didn't even really like his gay-antics with Shinji.
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>>100245441
I don't wanna explain again Asuka's issues as child. Let's just say that the longer the domino is, the most noise it makes when falling down.

The list is not how well or bad the characters are made or how deep they are but how much I like them personalities.
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>>100245294
Hello there.
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>>100245149
Not just japs, everyone.
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>>100245547
disgusting
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>>100245547
I know where this is going.
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its not russian word, its polish!
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>>100245547
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>>100245796
>Ritsuko
Would've have been good too.
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>>100246158
Am I the only one who thinks that Asuka would have grown to be more Misato-like an Rei more Ritsuko-ish?
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>>100225338
Thank you for this
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>>100246236
Yes.
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>>100246236
I agree with you on the Misato bit, not so much the Ritsuko part, though.

I basically think that Misato and Kaji are like an older Asuka and Shinji- its not elaborated on much, but Kaji says he was a lot like Shinji when he was younger. (and the manga actually does give Kaji's background and makes this painfully clear)
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>>100246236
Probably.
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>>100246537
Maybe Ritsuko brings a lot of bad connotations with it but she was proper, well-compossed, goal-focused, private and kind of a loner, take away the psycho and slight bitchiness and it seem that's what Rei would be like as an adult. one trio echoing the other.
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>>100246871
Hint: Yui Ikari.
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>>100247696
Yui seemed pretty social; and being like her is probably the second least thing Rei wants.
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>>100246871
Well both are mad scientists. I could see it.
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>>100226010
>Rei sacrificing herself means she's strong
She considers herself worthless and replacable (the second is objectively true), which isn't exactly 'strong.'
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>>100248047
Says the guy who doesn't get Rei.

>>100248429
yep.

>>100248429
Not him, but in dealing with that she shows strength - what you're talking about isn't an easy thing to come to terms with, or use to your own advantage.

It's a horrifying thing to know.
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>>100248429
Now listen here askafag, and you listen good:

It's not Rei's past or her predicament that makes her great, it's what she does. In EVA a lot of people are in poor situations, and how you judge them is by what they do.

Asuka did nothing and eventually crumbled, Rei did what she could to ensure everyone else got to survive, without even a single complaint.
Rei isn't perfect by any standard, but she's a pretty good girl all things considered.

If Rei manages to take her shitty situation and use it for something good, and endure and suffer through her decisions, then that is strength. Sacrifice especially is one of the core principles between heroism and strength.

Rei could have just thought "fuck it, I want to die, so I'll die along with everyone else."
But she never does.
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>>100248549
>dealing with that she shows strength

It doesn't because she knows she is replazable; It just shows low self-steem and weakness
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You know who the real bitch is?

Shinji

>n-n-no dad! I don't want to pilot the giant kick ass robot and get to fuck qts!

>no Misato! I don't want to tap dat amazingly phat ass!
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>>100248844
>has only heard of eva through parodies.
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>>100248750
Now here's my reply, you reifag:

Rei is a good girl, I don't deny It. But the way she sacrfices is not heroic, it's just a show of how her denies herself. The way she accepts orders and carries them out is a prove that she is a puppet, just a copy of Yui made by Gendo (that's the only reason he pays her attention unfair? well I think it is unfair )
Although It's evident that the 2nd Rei developes feelings and that makes her valuable and good, but she would still suicide if Gendo asked her to.
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>>100249052

>You guys don't understand, Eva is TOO DEEP! Shinji can't fuck Misato because in doing so he's finally admitting he's broken as a person and must commit sudoku ;_;

I can maybe understand not wanting to pilot the robot with your dead mom's ghost in it, but not wanting to fuck Misato? Come on.
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>>100248760
No it doesn't you moron. Rei never shows low self-esteem, show me one moment where she doubted herself.
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>>100249214
Why wouldn't you want to pilot the robot? Don't you love your mom?
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>>100249214
Yeah, all kids should be thrilled to be fucked by their authority figures.
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>>100249067
>The way she accepts orders and carries them out is a prove that she is a puppet
Then I guess Asuka, Misato and the rest are puppets too?
Rei goes above and beyond the call, and denies orders at times as well.

Yes, Rei would blow herself up if she was asked to, in fact, she doesn't even need to be asked and will do so if she thinks it's necessary.

The rest, Asuka especially, could never get to that level of self-acceptance and levelheadedness.

You cannot deny the heroism in self-sacrifice for others no matter how you try.
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I want to hold Asuka's small waist in my hands.
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>>100249333
If I was living at home with an Authority figure like Misato I'd jump on the chance to fuck dat ass.
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>>100249374
You must have big hands.
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Doesn't matter who's a bitch or not.

Asuka is more interesting than Rei who's a boring doll.

Asuka is hotter than Rei as well.

I like assertive girls better in general.
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>>100249539

She's small enough.
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>>100249067
Following orders isn't proof of being a puppet, if anything that would make most characters "puppets" since they follow orders even more precisely than Rei.
Rei also knows enough about her orders to know that following them is the best thing to do, and in cases where they aren't, she doesn't. It's that simple for Rei.

When it comes to sacrifice, you can't really deny it other than contradicting it. Rei willingly sacrifices her own happiness, and willingly endures pain for the sake of others. What exactly doesn't inspire heroism within you here? Because you think Rei doesn't feel or something? You know just as well as I that she does.

It hurts her. It hurts people around her, but it has to be done. So Misato is of course crying when Rei says that she has to stay inside the EVA for it to work, while Rei isn't hesitating, even though Rei also cries in that same moment.

Rei died on purpose, but it wasn't for nothing she did it. A sacrifice was made.

>>100249214
People think with more than their dicks you know.
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>>100249585
You have shit taste, and is probably really boring to be around.
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>>100249067
>>100249067
She follow orders because that's the mission she has. When Leliel captures Shinji she accepted the order to retreat because she knew it was for the best. when a similar thing happened with armisael she blew herself up because she knew the alternative would have been worse. And when she stopped trusting Gendo all his plans were fucked. She was never a puppet, and whoever saw her as such got screwed. As for self-esteem, she's probably the most resilient and self reliant person in the show.
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For you.
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>>100249366
Asuka, Misato and the rest of the crew accept orders bur are able to difference between moral and inmoral things, while Rei only differnces between Ikari or not-Ikari
If it is your interpretation of Rei actitude OK, Anon. But I think Rei's suicides and stuff is not self-acceptance but low self-esteem and concept of herself.
So Asuka thinks about herself superior to the rest of the staff of Nerv so she wouldn't suicide if she were in Rei shoe's on the attack of Zeruel Maybe for Shinji....
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>>100249779
Right back at you.
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The only thing that worries me about these waifufags are that there are seriously people (asukafags) who doesn't think Asuka is a bitch.
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>>100249222
What about all the moments she just soffered for Gendo's desires without even considering it? You have a cool example on ep.1
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>>100249832
>while Rei only differnces between Ikari or not-Ikari
Oh? Citation needed.
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>>100249859
You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't you.
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>>100249913
>Gendo's desires
If Rei doesn't pilot, she and everyone in that room is dead.
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>>100245786
>Kaworu
>personality
That's a good joke.
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>>100249913
see >>100249808

Rei isn't dumb like Asuka or ignorant like Shinji. Rei lies there in that bed as an EVA-pilot with an awareness of her surroundings. They are under attack, and someone needs to pilot lest they all die.

So Rei will get up, no matter the pain and fight back doing the only thing she can, and that is to get in that EVA and fight, even if she dies trying.
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>>100249958
What do you mean?
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>>100249832
>Asuka thinks about herself superior to the rest of the staff of Nerv so she wouldn't suicide
No, she'd attempt suicide in 24 because muh kaji and because she's a shit pilot

>Maybe for Shinji....
Why the fuck would Asuka kill herself to save Shinji?


>Asuka, Misato and the rest of the crew accept orders bur are able to difference between moral and inmoral things, while Rei only differnces between Ikari or not-Ikari

I literally can't make heads or tails of this sentence.
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Are you Eva threads like this? Just butthurt waifufags defending the imaginary honor of their waifus?
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Reifags
Reifags everywhere
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>>100243070
If Asuka wasn't strong she wouldn't have pulled herself out of the tang.

Yeah she's fragile as fuck and a lot of her supposed strength is just a front she presents to hide her fragility but ultimately out of all the characters in Eva she had one of strongest senses of self-identity.

Isn't the point that Asuka isn't a one-dimensional character? She's not a strong reliable character, nor is she a useless damsel (most of the time). She simultaneously dismisses everyone else as an inferior life form to her while desperately wanting their acknowledgement.
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>>100250121
>awareness
>So Rei will get up

What's with this fanwanking?

She gets up because she's ordered to. She'd kill herself if her commander told her to. She even says so during the elevator scene.
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>>100249711
You think Rei protects the Nerv staff because she thinks it's good, I think Rei protects Gendo bescause It's him. I think you can call it heroism in you want. I still think Asuka is better and raises more times that Rei, soffering even more.

>>100249808
The fact that he betrayed Gendo can be interpreted as she being a jerk as well as she developping self-conscience and SELF-ESTEEM.

>>100249859
As a asukafag I know that Asuka bitches around many times, but I understand her suffering and all I want is to protect her and stop her from being damaged more (which nobody can do because she lost all her beloved people and won't love anyone forevermore to avoid being damaged again [prohint: that's why she bitches around])
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Reminder that every Eva girl is shit, except for Maya
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>>100244033
Rei shuts the fuck up and gets the job done.

People who screech and throw tantrums at work aren't fit for the job. Don't care how adept they are at their one specialized task, they are a liability.

Shinji is salvageable, but too much pouting and he too can join Cyka at the soup kitchen.
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This discussion is cool and all, but can we agree Asuka is best girl?
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People who like Rei are are faggots who can only assert their masculinity on something that can't hurt their feelings/pride.

They also want to fuck their mom.
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>>100250591
>hurr Reifags are faggots
No need to stoop to their level.
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>>100250416
>You think Rei protects the Nerv staff because she thinks it's good
She says she pilots because of her bond with all people not just Gendo
>The fact that he betrayed Gendo can be interpreted as she being a jerk
What. The. Hell.
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>>100250332
>If Asuka wasn't strong she wouldn't have pulled herself out of the tang.
By that logic, isn't Shinji stronger than her?

>Yeah she's fragile as fuck and a lot of her supposed strength is just a front she presents to hide her fragility
Exactly. I wouldn't say she has more self identity than any of the other characters though. What even gives you that idea? Which characters lack self identity by the end?

>Isn't the point that Asuka isn't a one-dimensional character?
I don't see anyone saying she's not.
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>>100250416
>You think Rei protects the Nerv staff because she thinks it's good, I think Rei protects Gendo bescause It's him. I think you can call it heroism in you want. I still think Asuka is better and raises more times that Rei, soffering even more.
Objectively wrong on all accounts, only thing you're semi-right about is that Rei is protective of Gendo.
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>>100250591
Well they are the most delusional fanbase >>100250300
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>>100250416
>As a asukafag I know that Asuka bitches around many times, but I understand her suffering and all I want is to protect her and stop her from being damaged more
This makes sense, this is why you think Asuka suffers when she suffers the least of them all.

Biased morons like you are the problem in these discussions, you can't accept that you're wrong because you love a fictional character.
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>>100250665
Both fandoms are just as bad, but for different reasons.
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>>100250218
>because muh kaji and because she's a shit pilot
That's pretty ass-backwards of you considering the pic you posted with that.

How did her suicide attempt have anything to do with Kaji?
And even beforehand, what really got to her was being mindraped by Arael while she was already having issues in previous episodes. She found her confidence in being praised by others and piloting the Eva, and since she wasn't given praised and believed Shinji and Rei kept outshowing her, that was crushed.
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>>100250772
>How did her suicide attempt have anything to do with Kaji?
Why do Asuka fans not realize she was super hot for Kaji? She was very depressed about his death and it contributed heavily to her depression.
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>>100250743
Both Reifags and Asukafags can be biased retards that will do nothing but endless fanwanking..You're not better than the other, as much as you'd like to believe.
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>>100250332
Asuka is weak and fragile. Get that into your mind.

>>100250416
>The fact that he betrayed Gendo can be interpreted as she being a jerk
....haha ok this is insane, but if anything Rei should be more of a jerk, I think she's entitled almost. Rei should have wrecked Asuka on more than one occasion, but she doesn't.

Here's how you stop being a douche:
Stop pretending Asuka is justified in being a bitch. Stop pretending she suffered when she could be said to have suffered the least of the main cast.
Asuka's suffering is self-inflicted because she is weak, emo and egoistic. Basically, "MUH PRIDE" the character.

Asuka's suffering is nothing more but a joke amplified by idiots.
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>>100249973
I'd like to see what would happen if Ritsuko said that to her instead of Gendo

>>100250112
He has more personality than any Rei

>>100250121
>So Rei will get up, no matter the pain and fight back doing the only thing she can, and that is to get in that EVA and fight, even if she dies trying.
That's what I value from her, but the fact that she does it because of Gendo and not for the rest of the people or even herself I why I say she's a puppet

>>100250218
>She suicides for herself, not for the Nerv crew as Rei.
>I don't know, love makes people make stupid things.
>Rei doesn't distinguish moral, she just does what Gendo commands her; wether is or no moral.
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>>100250880
Everyone and their mother knew Asuka liked Kaji.
Misato was the one depressed about Kaji's death. I don't recall Asuka even knowing what happened to him.

Considering all the shit that happened right before she cut her wrists, Kaji's death doesn't really contribute to her downfall.
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>>100250961
I have always seen Reifags as being better than Asukafags at this rationality-game.

That never changes.

The only thing Reifags do worse, is not accepting that Rei will always be in for bad shit not just due to her situation in EVA, but because there's noone else among the bigwig writers that actually give a damn about the character.
Because of that they'll bitch and moan endlessly about "MUH REI", when they in reality should just have calmed down, and turned the other way.
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>>100250880
It might have pushed her over the edge but she was already pretty bad before that. Kaji's death alone wouldn't have made her try to kill herself.
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>>100250273
It's good discussion regardless you faggot
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>>100250961
At least I can see the good points of Rei and Misato, not as the Reifags do with Asuka or Misato
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So I haven't watched Evangelion yet. What am I in for?
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>>100251014
>the fact that she does it because of Gendo and not for the rest of the people or even herself I why I say she's a puppet

Shinji: Why are you doing this?
Rei: Because it's my link.
Shinji: Link?
Rei: Yes, link.
Shinji: Link to my father?
Rei: To all people.
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>>100248760
Objectively, she is indeed replaceable. Why bother denying something that is obviously true? Her approach is just practical.
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>>100251160
Depression
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>>100251053
>The only thing Reifags do worse, is not accepting that Rei will always be in for bad shit not just due to her situation in EVA, but because there's noone else among the bigwig writers that actually give a damn about the character.
We know that all too well, we're just pained by it.
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>>100251014
The same thing, presumably.

>That's what I value from her, but the fact that she does it because of Gendo and not for the rest of the people or even herself I why I say she's a puppet
She does it for the rest of the people or herself. Damnit, stop being dumb.
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>>100250963
>Rei should be more of a jerk, I think she's entitled almost
This nigga...

>Asuka is emo
>emo
How am I supposed to take your post seriously now when you still think "emo" is a valid label, nor know how to use it in correct context even if it is a ridiculous term?
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>>100249973
I'd like to see what would happen if Ritsuko said that to her instead of Gendo

>>100250112
He has more personality than any Rei

>>100250121
>So Rei will get up, no matter the pain and fight back doing the only thing she can, and that is to get in that EVA and fight, even if she dies trying.
That's what I value from her, but the fact that she does it because of Gendo and not for the rest of the people or even herself I why I say she's a puppet

>>100250218
>She suicides for herself, not for the Nerv crew as Rei.
>I don't know, love makes people make stupid things.
>Rei doesn't distinguish moral, she just does what Gendo commands her; wether is or no moral.
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>>100251160
depression, angst, overall 2deep4u
also tang and lance of longitude
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>>100225189
Papali cyka
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>>100251274
>not wanting Rei to be more of a jerk

Come on. She could put a few niggas back in place, and you know it.
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>>100251014
?
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>>100251252
Then take a break or something. You don't have to watch Evangelion.
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>>100251355
and now you're literally repeating yourself
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>>100251355
>>100251014
>Rei doesn't distinguish moral, she just does what Gendo commands her; wether is or no moral.
This is just a fully flawed interpretation, there's nothing in the show to even suggest that being true. There's lot of things that suggests the direct opposite however - Rei is innately almost set on making sure others are all right before even herself.
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>>100251511
Nah, that's all right, I love NGE (sadly can't say Eva in general anymore). Everyone who likes it just has a slight masochist streak to them.
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>>100250963
>"MUH PRIDE" the character.
And there's nothing wrong with that.

Asuka decided to deal with her problems in a different way, like Misato. I don't see how her suffering is self-inflicted when she did nothing to cause the events of her past. I'm not even sure you know what self-inflicted means. If anything, her suffering has nothing to do with her facade, when her problems had already started early in her life.

>emo
Not even once.
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>>100250963
>emo
This still a thing?
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>>100249617
She's a scrawny little thing.
Just how I like em
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>>100251670
>Not even once.
SLIT MY WRISTS
LIE IN A BATHTUB
BOO HOO I WANT TO CRY
MOMMY DIDNT LOVE ME

Eat shit, go hang out at the psychiatric ward if you actually like that shit, we get in more "Asuka's" than you could bring back in your car.
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You are all faggots, Aureline is the best Eva girl.
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>>100251455
I like both Rei and Asuka, but there's no reason for Rei to be a bitch anyways. Her confusion about her own emotions is part of what makes her character. I doubt she could actually hate or go off on anyone.
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>>100251749
>go hang out at the psychiatric ward if you actually like that shit
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>>100251670
There's nothing wrong with it, but it just underlines my point, Asuka is a failure because Asuka herself is a failure more than anything else.

See, this:
>when her problems had already started early in her life.
Is bullshit as your reason. Her problems have ended. She doesn't have any current problem besides her own retarded bitch attitude.

The rest, being an EVA pilot, is shared by the rest.

>>100251719
It never stopped being a thing.
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>>100251792
Is that Maria's middle name?
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>>100251749
And they're all cute redheaded German girls?
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anon=anno
we are all Anno's puppets
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>>100251855
>I doubt she could actually hate or go off on anyone.
eeeh that's wrong. It's not in Rei's character to lose her temper, but she can put people into their places. A little bit of aggrevation and frustration could help.

Imagine if Rei from 2.22 could see everything that happened from 2.22 to 3.33's ending, and she came back in 4.44, how bitter and upset would she be?
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>>100251855
I'm pretty sure he hates or is at least annoyed by Asuka:
http://youtu.be/HvLfQSoVhrM?t=7m51s
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>>100225189
Asuka is a bitch because she has a remarkably 3DPD personality. She's well written and completely awful at the same time.
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>>100252229
Better 3DPD than one dimensional
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>>100252154
Skip to 7:51
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>>100251859
>Asuka is a failure because Asuka herself is a failure more than anything else.
You what?

>Is bullshit as your reason. Her problems have ended.
By that logic, Shinji should've grown up as well because his problems have technically ended as well. It's not like her childhood couldn't have had a lasting affect on her, especially when it happened to her at a young age, like Shinji. That can be scarring.
I don't see how her personality is really a problem for her if it's what helps her forget her past and makes her cope with everything better overall. She doesn't want to appear weak, and that's fine. It isn't as much as an issue that you claim it is than it just being your personal bias and dislike of bitchiness.

>The rest, being an EVA pilot, is shared by the rest.
Rei didn't have much qualms about it, and both Shinji and Asuka pilot to feel like they're needed. Shinji also pilots to protect his loved ones though, in addition.
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>>100251749
>go hang out at the psychiatric ward if you actually like that shit
Oh goddammit my sides
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I think it'd be good if Mari stole Shinji in 4.44 and Asuka was left to die alone. Then people would stop wondering what Mari's deal was.
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>>100252470
Mari wouldn't want her parents to be separated.
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>>100252413
>The rest, being an EVA pilot, is shared by the rest.
To add on to this, evidently piloting an Eva can cause stress on the pilot, so I'm not sure why you're putting the blame only on Asuka when she and Shinji are basically the same, with present affects of piloting their Evas. It's not a matter of who's more depressed than who.
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>>100252413
Except Shinji still has an asshole dad, Asuka's crazy mom is gone already. And whatever problem he has he doesn't take it out on the world. But yeah, Asuka has a right to be a bitch is that's how she deals with stuff, but isn't entitled for other to put up with her shit.
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>>100252154
Rei is pretty annoyed by her but everyone in the show is at some point
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>>100252154
>a drama cd
>canon

Jesus christ anon.
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>>100252154
>Anta Baka, Anta Baka you're the baka!
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>>100252470
I like how the Reifags aren't even pretending she has a chance anymore. Did you finally learn your lesson after the manga, which you were all so sure was going to finally give you a win, let you down?
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>>100252578

>implying Mari isn't the daughter of Mari and Shinji from the futurea
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>>100252784
just bringing some comedy into it, and Rei's distaste for Asuka is pretty much cannon. Pics related:
>>100252743
>>100252013
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>>100252413
>You what?
You heard me.

>y that logic, Shinji should've grown up as well because his problems have technically ended as well
They haven't, they actually start up for real at the beginning of the show: continuous daddy rejection, and of course being thrust into a new situation he's not prepared for at all.

>Rei didn't have much qualms about it, and both Shinji and Asuka pilot to feel like they're needed.
They ALL need to feel needed. Rei too. Basics of human nature. Basic needs.
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>>100252880
>>100252784
Yeah lets get real. Asuka and the universe treats Rei like shit. Rei isn't happy.

Rei just doesn't show it, but she's frustrated and resentful UNLESS you're not like "the rest". Be like Gendo and Shinji.
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>>100252880
One of the few things that Rebuild improved
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>>100252860
I know, I know we've been let down, we've been a fool to ourselves. We thought she could be with no one else...
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>>100252996
uguu
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>>100252860

It's not Rei's place to be Shinji's love interest. Did you miss the part where she's his mom? She's an imouto, at best.

Asuka, meanwhile, is even more pathetic than Shinji, and deserves to lose to genki cool girls who aren't crippled by their feelings.
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>>100252860
Their first mistake was believing that Sadamoto was a Reifag.
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>>100252691
Asuka doesn't take her problems "out on the world" either. Where are you getting this?

And Gendo barely bothered with Shinji. We don't know how strongly connected Asuka was to her real mother. It doesn't matter who's gone and who's not; as I said, it's not a matter of weighing who's more depressed than who. The point stands that two scarred people are dealing with their hurt in different ways. And even if people do have to deal with Asuka's bitchiness, well, that's that. She's at least very entertaining.
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>>100252996
>They see your dick
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>>100253050
half imouto at most.
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>>100253093
>Asuka doesn't take her problems "out on the world" either. Where are you getting this?
By treating everyone like shit, and being a bitch in general, she takes it out on the world.

>oh noes the wind flips my skirt up
>LETS SLAP THE OTHERS

Funny and comedic yes, but she's a bitch.
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>>100253103
It'd be a better reaction than I'd expect.
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I'd wait for that tsun to pass over, that sweet dere is worth it.

She is in-arguably the best orig girl. I do love misato as well though.
Pic is what i got of her, don't like rebuild, but like this sculpt a lot.
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>>100252860
What the fuck did that post even have to do with Rei? I'm confused. This seems really insecure.
It's like people believe Mari isn't going to win.
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>>100252897
>They haven't, they actually start up for real at the beginning of the show: continuous daddy rejection, and of course being thrust into a new situation he's not prepared for at all.
Yeah, and Asuka had gotten a new problem to deal with as well.

>They ALL need to feel needed. Rei too. Basics of human nature. Basic needs.
I don't remember Rei even acknowledging her lonliness until episode 23. Then she blow up. Even then it's arguable if that has anything to do with wanting to feel needed if there's nothing else connecting to that.
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>>100253346
>Yeah, and Asuka had gotten a new problem to deal with as well.
Nope.
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>>100253093
She lashes out at everyone. Come on, you can't deny it. What's the point? She hates everyone including herself.
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>>100253285
I got that too and now I'm waiting for this.
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>>100253285
>that sweet dere is worth it.
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>>100253179
A couple 14 year olds isn't the world. The adults mostly wave her off. It's not like she completely goes off on them anyways.

>LETS SLAP THE OTHERS
But staring is rude!
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>>100253346
>I don't remember Rei even acknowledging her lonliness until episode 23.
Do you need to acknowledge a feeling to actually feel it? Do you think Rei was lonely all the time, or did she just become lonely at that point?

I'm convinced you're autistic. They're basic human needs. You can reject the need for love or company all you want, but you need it.
Rei's life is as such that she doesn't see the need for that herself. She needs it all the same - she's lonely, and hurts herself.
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>>100253346
She might not have acknowledged it until then but it's evident she's been experiencing it for a long time. Rei needs people too.
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>>100253577
>A couple 14 year olds isn't the world.
She doesn't interact with that many, and it proves my point: her problem is also the problem of others because of Asuka.

>But staring is rude!
anon pls
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>>100253397
Self-esteem issues, feeling worthless, just like Shinji.
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>>100253507
Not him but

What about the ending part of 3.33 where Asuka helps Shinji who's now a vegetable? She didn't have to, but she did it anyways.
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>>100253625
>fake smile to get kaji dick
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>>100253577
how cowardly, submissive with her authority figures and abusive of those who are not.
>But staring is rude!
So is stepping on other people's belongings
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>>100243308

Kaworu, it's part of some Chinese Kawoasu fanbook.
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>>100253346
>Yeah, and Asuka had gotten a new problem to deal with as well.
Nope. She's been at this for a looong time.

also Rei is perpetually lonely and sad. You don't see her smile unless it's special. She wears a frowny pokerface 24/7. She, like every other meatbag on planet earth, needs other people to not be lonely. Human nature.

Rei foregoes those things though, because her lifestyle or purpose doesn't require them, she leads the life of a stoic.
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>>100253676
>She didn't have to
She had to, bring the prisoner back to interrogation more torture.

"Oh, and Asuka, don't rough the prisoner too much up, don't like, kick or pinch him."
Asuka: "I can't promise anything".
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>>100253676
Are you serious? Of everything in the serious you use the aftermath of her berating him, trying to kill him and then kicking him while he's down? How do you know she didn't have to? Shikinami isn't going to go through such a thing for a boy she knew for a week 14 years ago. Misato and Ritsuko must have ordered it after the 100th impact shenanigans.
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>>100225189
In Polish we even write bitch as "suka" so I always had funny feeling seeing her name
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>>100253703
From that episode everyone hates
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>>100253584
>Do you need to acknowledge a feeling to actually feel it?
I never said that though. I just said she didn't acknowledge it, and I doubt anyone really thought anything of it.

>I'm convinced you're autistic
There's no need to be rude.
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Rei: Cool headed introvert. Cute looking. Soft spoken but determined. Would be friends.

Asuka: Loud mouth extrovert. Very attractive. Harsh, to cover her own inner weakness. Would reach out to.

Mari: The sexiest. Probably crazier than the rest of the pilots, given how much she seems to enjoy robot fighting. Would fugg.
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>>100254039
>I doubt anyone really thought anything of it.
Meaning what?
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>>100253674
In other words, not a new problem.
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>>100253955
>I'd wait for that tsun to pass over, that sweet dere is worth it.
>you literally have to jump into lava in order to save her life just to get a half smile while she still calls you idiot.
I guess we have different standars of what worth it means.
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>>100253659
>her problem is also the problem of others because of Asuka.
Everything is Asuka's fault now? They had their own problems. Any berating from Asuka they could simply get over. You're trying to put shit on her a little too hard.
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>>100254367
The berating shouldn't have happened in the first place. Everything is relative.
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>>100254367
A lot of it is Asuka's fault, or the way she treats things. She's a bitch, people go through loss and adversity without becoming bitches. Asuka has the bitch gene, through and through.
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>>100254329
Idiot's basically her pet name for Shinji though. Plus she was definitely flirting earlier with the whole "thermal expansion" thing.
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>>100254329
When your job is piloting giant robots small gestures tend to get lost in the shuffle.
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>>100254329
You could tell she was just a few more pushes away from affection, rebuild showed that.

Then, the impact and whatnot. Eva is all about how he is basically surrounded by people that love him, but nothing really works out and robots and angels and such.
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>>100254499
I like bitches
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>>100254610
Rebuild Asuka != original Asuka
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>>100250692
Well, Shinji is the one who decides to reject instrumentality. Rei gave him that choice. Then didn't Yui imply that anyone who has the will to keep on living can pull themselves out of the tang?

'self-identity' was dumb word choice. The idea I was getting that is even though Asuka's aggresiveness and pride originated as a coping mechanism, they fostered a legitimate kind of 'strength' in Asuka. She knows she can do incredible things and that in many aspects she is far superior to the average person, and she sustains herself off of this. Fuck, she builds her entire self image off of this. That's why she comes into the series so confident, she knows that what she wants is to be an incredible EVA pilot and she knows she's really fucking good at it. And of course, she breaks down at the end of the series because she's stripped of that.
I think what throws people off is that she never 'changes', even in EoE. When she finally picks herself up in Unit 02 and wrecks shit it's not because she made a meaningful discovery about her life like Shinji does, she just found out that her mother had protected her and loved her all along and welp, she can pilot Eva again. And fuck, when she's dying after getting (sort of) eaten alive she induces a pseudo-berserker mode in Eva 02 from her pure rage at the MPEs for beating her into the ground like this. That's not weak and breaking down, that's having the will to live and take back what's yours.

Asuka derives her strength from her own self-image as an Eva pilot, someone who stands far above the average person. Does that make her a bitch? Yeah. And because she won't accept anything else, it means that when she's stripped of her self-esteem she can't cope. I guess you could call her bad at adapting. But I admire her uncompromising view of herself. And fuck, if anyone else were in her situation they'd probably break too.

>>100250743
>she suffers the least of them all.
You're fucking retarded if you honestly believe that.
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>>100251539
Everybody here is repeating himself
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>>100254523
My sister tried to use bitch as a pet name for me. She learned her lesson. Too bad Asuka doesn't have siblings
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>>100254618
then don't whine when people call a bitch for a bitch
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>>100254499
>A lot of it is Asuka's fault
>A lot
Well now you're just spouting bullshit.

What exactly is Asuka's fault, how is it her fault, and is it really anything to be worrying about to the point it greatly affected someone?
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>>100254660
yeah, but at least not literally
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>>100254746
That wasn't me

I'm just a random bystander
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>>100254649
>You're fucking retarded if you honestly believe that.
You're retarded if you don't.
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>>100254672
Idiot is a little more endearing than bitch.
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>>100254085

Anno's ruse has worked, then.
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>>100254649
Asuka lives pretty well compared to the rest. You could even say she's privileged.

>>100254750
Her reaction and how she chooses to deal with others is her fault. It affects not only others, but herself too.
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>>100254870
>privileged
Ya blew it.
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>>100254814
I think bitch is plenty endearing.
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>>100254870
>privileged
How do you figure that?
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>>100254649
>Asuka derives her strength from her own self-image as an Eva pilot,
In other words, she doesn't have any strength, nor any self-esteem to speak of. Shinji and Rei are miles ahead of her in every category.

>But I admire her uncompromising view of herself.
Then you're a fucking idiot, or someone who's writing shit he doesn't know about.

also, Asuka does suffer comparatively little, that is her suffering is for the most part self-inflicted through her being a failure of a person. She gets the same (if not best) deal of the three kids that pilot, and she still turns out bad.
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>>>100254649
Am I right if, based on your post I say that "Even when it's obvious that Asuka bitches around, we can't blame her for her past"?
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>>100254976
Check it.

>>100254989
Early adoption into the EVA-program, training and all accommodations.

>>100255038
Nobody is blaming her for her past though, it's more what she does as a response to everything.
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>>100254989
>s-s-she's rich!
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>>100254870
>Asuka lives pretty well compared to the rest.
Not that anyone would know. Did they even say if her stepmother and father were still with her?

>Her reaction and how she chooses to deal with others is her fault. It affects not only others, but herself too.
Not really. She was doing fine until a couple of episodes before the mindrape.
I still don't understand how her affect on others is so great that you feel the need to mention it at all. It's trivial, especially when she hasn't greatly impacted anyone for the worse, and you've yet to give me any reasons how she has negatively affected others.
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>>100255087
It will remain unchecked.
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>>100254870
Have you stoped to think how many problems does she has? She has more than Shinji and at least the same as Rei. You are really wrong if you think so.
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>>100255123
She has a cordial but superfluous relationship with them, I guess kind of like Shinji with his guardian.
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>>100255203
>y-your wrong if u think so!!
Anon please.

Asuka lives a comparatively problem-free life compared to Rei and Shinji.
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>>100255123
>Not that anyone would know.
We know it for a fact.

>Not really. She was doing fine until a couple of episodes before the mindrape.
Absolutely not, synch was dropping and she was getting bitchier by the second. no progress, nothing learned.

Rebuild 2.22 is the only instance of her learning.

>I still don't understand how her affect on others is so great that you feel the need to mention it at all.
Because it's obvious you fucking moron, and the subject was "the world" not Asuka.
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>>100255304
>suicidal mother who was crazy as all hell
>growing up without a father figure
>problem-free
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>>100255404
>compared to
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>>100254649
Completely agree, Anon.

>>100255087
The fact of the premature training is as well one of the causes of her mental issues. Take a 6 year old who just lost her mother and was death intimidated by her stepmother to a militar instruction. Traumas are unavoidable.
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>an entire thread full of white knights acting like Asuka did no wrong and that she's blameless for all the shit she did

Asuka is the Sayaka of Eva.
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>>100255022
>Shinji and Rei are miles ahead of her in every category.
Nice bias.

Shinji also uses to Eva to get approval from others and has his own self-image as a pilot as well.
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>>100255404
Just because she wanted to fuck the father figure doesn't mean she didn't have one.
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>>100255404
You missed the part where it says "problem-free".

You live a problem-free life compared to M'ungbe in Niggeristan.

>but it's an unfair comparison
It's not, since the comparison is in the show and actually part of the debate.
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Asuka is a scrub. Favorable treatment, nice starting position, all the crutches she needs and she still sucks compared to Shinji and Rei.
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>>100255304
>Shinji and Asuka
>Both their moms are robots and both their dads didn't love them
In the larger scope of things they have pretty fucking similar problems.
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>>100254750
>What exactly is Asuka's fault,
Asuka fag here, we have to concede that Asuka does a really shitty job of coping with her problems, at least later in the series. A lot of her pain could have been avoided if she learned to accept other people in her life.

>>100255022
Her method worked out for her pretty well until she started dropping in sync ratio tests. How the fuck is Shinji miles ahead of Asuka?

How can you possibly say Asuka is a failure of a person? Do you even empathy? Her mom rejected her for a god damn doll. She walked in on her mom's hung body. You know what happens to most kids with trauma like that? They turn into criminals or spend their lives in a psych ward. Asuka graduated college and became an Eva pilot. You know how much mental fortitude it takes to handle an Eva?

>b-b-but she's mean to people and can't relate with them
So are half the autists on this board.

Also, how is it idiotic to admire someone who won't compromise on themselves? Please explain.
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>>100255399
>Absolutely not, synch was dropping and she was getting bitchier by the second. no progress, nothing learned
But her personality had nothing to do with that.

>Because it's obvious you fucking moron
>I can't give valid proof for my fanwanking so I'll resort to namecalling.
Nice one.
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>>100255494
>The fact of the premature training is as well one of the causes of her mental issues. Take a 6 year old who just lost her mother and was death intimidated by her stepmother to a militar instruction. Traumas are unavoidable.
[fanwank intensifies]
Do you now get how shallow this is? You can't base an entire character around a single trauma. That's just poorly written schlock.

>>100255123
It's how we know Rei and Shinji's life was shit, while Asuka's is portrayed as normal.

I don't think anyone says she DIDNT have a shitty life, but more that the others had far worse, ranging from just plain worse to soul-crushingly "why do I even life" bad.
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>>100255304
Do you realize how much harder she made life for Shinji in addition to his depression, social anxiety and pressure he had for most of the series? Asuka had it easy street compared to him. Rei's backstory is sick and fucked up as is the way she has to "live" as she knows her time is coming to an end soon
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>>100255500
>implying Sayaka is the Asuka of MM
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>>100255693
>You know how much mental fortitude it takes to handle an Eva?
None? In fact it helps if you're falling apart in the right way since it triggers mama-bear mode.
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Ritsuko is a grown up, less emotionally dead Rei.
Misato is a grown up, less abrasive Asuka.
Maya is a grown up, more stable, female Shinji.

Discuss.
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>>100255500
>an entire thread full of white knights acting like Asuka did no wrong and that she's blameless for all the shit she did

Nobody fucking thinks that holy shit
Point is she made pretty big mistakes but they're justified or at least understandable beyond just "hurr asuka's a weak bitch"
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>>100255693
>Her method worked out for her pretty well until she started dropping in sync ratio tests.
In other words, it didn't work. Failure.
Shinji is miles ahead since his doesn't drop and he manages to grow little by little.

>How can you possibly say Asuka is a failure of a person? Do you even empathy?
I need to use big words to get points to stick some times. Rest assured, they're all worthy of love etc etc...

To get to the bottom of the problem, you need to not use that as an excuse for shitty behaviour. Asuka should be reprimanded and scolded, as well as cared for.

>Also, how is it idiotic to admire someone who won't compromise on themselves? Please explain.
Because like Asuka in NGE, they never grow unless the world fucking ends.
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>>100255726
>It's how we know Rei and Shinji's life was shit, while Asuka's is portrayed as normal.
>implying Asuka's life wasn't shit as well
Are you just pretending to be retarded?
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>>100255500
B-b-but Aska is perfct angell
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>>100255866
You could just have read the next sentence and avoided that abortion of a post. Go away.
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>>100255726
When did Shinji suffer more than Asuka? When his father told him to pilot an Eva? At least he's not dead.
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>>100255022
Rei is evidently a large contrast from Asuka so I don't know why you're comparing them, nor do I believe you know how they're "miles ahead of her in every category" nor what makes each of them fleshed out in their own way.
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>>100255833
Are you retarded?

Whole reason Asuka started dropping in sync ratios is because her mind was wandering to emotionally troubling thoughts.
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>>100255926
He's not dead but keeps taunting him with rejection and neglect. If he was dead, Shinji could move on.
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>>100255853
I aprove particularly since it gets me Reitsuko/Shina and Misuka/Kaji.
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>>100255926
>When did Shinji suffer more than Asuka?
When his mother died and his father abandoned him without a word
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>>100255726
No its not. Her backstory is effectively the same as Shinji's, except she had the "privilege" of seeing her mother's death played out over the course of weeks, or months, as opposed to an instant. How else can we compare?

-Both had a bastard father (that's NOT fanwank on Asuka's part, its clearly explained in the original version of Episode 25 that she hates her father, and with good reason)
-Living with a father substitute: Shinji lived with his teacher for 2 or 3 years I think, while Asuka lived, or at least worked very closely at NERV Germany with Kaji for an indeterminate period of time
-a resulting low sense of self-worth: Shinji copes with introversion, Asuka with extroversion
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>>100255926
Most of the series, really. That Gendo isn't dead makes things worse since Shinji is STILL unloved no matter what he does.
Asuka's mommy is dead, and due to the circumstances (insanity), she could wave it off as just that, insanity since by all accounts she loved her before - she could also move on.
Shinji can't because daddy isn't dead, but he's there and making a point of that he only needs him for work and not as a son.

>>100255936
You gotta compare.
They're miles ahead in every category from piloting to not being a bitch.
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>>100255853
>Ritsuko has always had feelings
>Misato's motives are way different than Asuka's (revenge vs attention and feeling sastified with herself)
>Shinji is able to take part in a fight; I think Maya is unable to directly fight even Angels
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>>100255976
Falling apart in the RIGHT way. Thoughts of rejection of her mother. While Shinji's issues came from a quest for his.
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>>100256064
Even if you equate it, Shinji is less of a bitch, and the point is proven.
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>>100255926
Shinji is the MC. He gets more suffering than anyone because he's involved in every fucked up incident.
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>>100256064
Not effectively, Shinji saw what happened as well, and then didn't even have a father he could grow to love. Asuka has factually more chances and preparation than Shinji.

But see >>100256154
even if they were "the same", Asuka is still a bitch. She was born that way.
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>>100255726
>"hurr durr Shinji and Rei had harder lives"

Why are you trying to measure who's life was shittier than the other in the first place?
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>>100256154
But Asuka is not a bitch because she has the right to be a bitch because of all that happened to her, thus she isn't one.
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>>100255858
>Asuka grew 'til she lost her first "love" and met children as "important" as her.
So her method was carrying out perfectly until Shinji and Misato started fucking with her.
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>>100255833
>>100255976
It helps a lot. For Asuka and Shinji, it's the only thing that matters. Rei would probably have the best if not for her EVA being absolute dogshit compared to the better versions that the rest are.

Asuka goes from top dog to rock bottom as far as synching goes, due to mental problems, and not equipment failure.
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>>100256282
Have you forgotten where you are?
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What is even the point of contention in this thread anymore? I don't understand what whose life being shittier than whose proves.
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>>100256305
Shinji and Misato didn't fuck with her. You had better be trolling.
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>>100243977
Nigger you choose everything about your personality. There are causes for negative aspects for your personality but being too weak to surpass your insecurities does not make your shit personality ok.
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>>100256025
>I don't know how to deal with that child... She's oddly mature, and there's a vigilant and absolute sense of rejection. It scares me sometimes. Haven't you ever felt that way dear?
>No. Anyways, you're Asuka's mother now.
>But before that I became your wife.
>You became both at the same time.
>Yes, that's true, but you can never stop being that child's father, while I can quit being her mother at any time.
>True enough.


Sounds like a lovely family.
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>>100256282
Why not?

>>100256305
...if it doesn't work where it should work (with other people, as a team), or just alone, then no. It's not working.

You can't be seriously blaming Asuka's failures on Shinji and Misato.

Shinji was just nice and indulged Asuka far too much, and Misato took her in along with Shinji.
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>>100256299
But Charles Manson is not a killer because he has the right to be a killer because of all that happened to him, thus he isn't one.
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>>100256390
Asukafags trying to make Asuka look less shitty, so it won't be obvious they're fawning over her as romance insert-material.
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I feel sorry for Evanjellyon fans...
They only have an used goods, an annoying bitch that is 24/7 on her period and a piece of meat without any emotions, and they still feel in the need to argue about "who's best".
Let's be honest here, the best of shit is still shit.
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DAILY REMINDER
IS SHE IS BORED
SHE WANT TO FUCK
SLUT IS CANON
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>>100255924
>>100255726
>but more that the others had far worse, ranging from just plain worse to soul-crushingly "why do I even life" bad.
How is Shinji's life significantly worse than Asuka? Both of them effectively lose their parents at an early age and turn into (different types of) shitheads as a result of it.

>>100255858
>Asuka should be reprimanded and scolded,
I've never denied this. I acknowledge that she's a bitch.
>Because like Asuka in NGE, they never grow unless the world fucking ends.
How do you know what Asuka would have done if humanity successfully repelled the angels and there was no third impact or instrumentality following?
But this particular discussion doesn't even concern Asuka. Personally I've always had problems with self-compromise and settling for mediocrity in order to make myself feel better. People in my life who don't allow me to do that have made me a better person.
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>>100256390
If Asuka's shittier it gives her a blank check to be a bitch to everyone else and thus her bitchiness is not bitchyness because it's 'justified'. Shinji having a crappier life and not being an ass to others proves that Asuka is a bitch and it's her own fault. Keep up.
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>>100256282
Because it serves the point of illuminating whether or not it's Asuka's shitty life that makes her a bitch. Think, "if there's similar and/or worse, why aren't they also bitches?"
Everyone knows innately that it's Asuka's fault, only some Asukfags deny it because they don't want to admit Asuka is horrible.

You don't HAVE to be a bitch. You don't HAVE to lack self-insight and so on. You can have issues, but you do not have to take them out on anyone, and doing so is not justified because you suck or someone did something to you that sucks.
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>>100256523
Reifag pls.
Both sides are pretty buttravaged, just like you are according to that one-sided blaming.

Why can't you all just like all the girls?
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>>100256636
>How is Shinji's life significantly worse than Asuka? Both of them effectively lose their parents at an early age and turn into (different types of) shitheads as a result of it.
Shinji isn't a shithead compared to Asuka, and Asuka is worse.

You can't equate two different lives because you don't want to accept you're wrong. Move on from being a shit Asukafag and graduate to the smart ones.
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>>100256478
I got the feeling you thought I was serious and not making a point. so to clarify: I'm with you.
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>>100256636
>How do you know
It happened in the show, not a single thought of self-reflection and learning. Rebuild is different. It has that development.

>Personally I've always had problems with self-compromise and settling for mediocrity in order to make myself feel better.
Asuka's goal is mediocre to begin with. It's outright bad.
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>>100255924
Oh I think that could be applied to you as well.

>>100255989
As Shinji bases his life on seeking for his father's approval, if Gendo died he would depress/rely on Asuka/suicide

>>100256025
>He doesn't remember his mother so it isn't painful for him.
>He would be worse if his father died as Asuka's mother.

>>100256097
If what you say about Asuka getting well from what happened to her mother; Shinji could just do the same with Gendo even if he is still alive.

>>100256154
Shinji has bitch explodes, like shown at EoE or when trying to blow up NERV headquarters

>>100256184
Now take a look at Shinji and Asuka's past. Who developes more traumas? I don't think Gendo or Yui tried to kill him :P
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>>100256693
What are you even talking about? That's exactly what's happening right now.
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>>100256791
>If what you say about Asuka getting well from what happened to her mother; Shinji could just do the same with Gendo even if he is still alive.
No, the source of the problem still exists. Shinji could stop hunting for fatherly affection, but it's a lot harder to do no matter the person.
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>>100256720
>You can't equate two different lives because you don't want to accept you're wrong.
That's what's been going on in this entire thread and until now you believe Asukafags are at wrong for doing what's been repeated hours ago. Sounds like you're having a harder time taking in counters and giving proper arguments other than "you're just wrong" more than anyone else.

Nice.
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>>100256636
Asuka in the show never offers herself a single blame. That's how you know. It's always someone else and not her.

>>100256791
>Shinji has bitch explodes, like shown at EoE or when trying to blow up NERV headquarters
When he's a neurotic mess that's been mindfucked, yes. When he's been through worse than Asuka too. This is one case where he is excused, since no other response can realistically be expected.
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>>100256693
I like asuka second best (as expected of the second child); but she is a bitch.
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>>100256791
Shinji also never had a surrogate mother who threatened to abandon her right after her real mother went insane and did just that.
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>>100256931
There's a difference between equating and comparing. One puts them as equal, and others just puts them beside each other where differences can be pointed out. One is retarded, the other isn't.

This should just end already.
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>>100256910
The source of the problem is emotional trauma for both of them. You can't just make it go away or are you really saying they both just need to "man up" and get over it?
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>>100257013
>There's a difference between equating and comparing.
And this thread's been equating. Read back a bit.
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>>100256791
Shinji can't solve his issue as easily as Asuka could. Asuka has a whole new family to continue with, and Shinji has still his old family right in his face, Asuka is miles away from hers.
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>>100256982
the step mom didn't treatened her with that, she threatened her father, she just overheard. and he seems to have put her in her place since she not only stuck around but seems to have formed a mildly affectionate relationship with Asuka even if superficial.
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>>100257035
Stop being stupid Asukafag. The source of Asuka's problem according to you is dead. The rest is within her, for her to solve.
Shinji's problem, his source, is now his boss and commander.

>>100257062
Not as I can see.
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>>100256720
I think Asuka doesn't kill anybody with her shitheadness. Shinji does.

>>100256478
He is a killer. Asuka bitches out. He has a past and we cannot know his motives. She has a way terrible past and we know his
motives. He isn't cute. Asuka is an angel.

>>100256406
What determines most part of your personality is your past, and one cannot control one's past so one's personality and way to see the world is not controlled by oneself

>>100256403
Even without that intention; being lead by that fuckhead Shinji is and seeing Misato with Kaji knocked her cute mind out.

>>100256523
>>100256655
Reifags
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>>100257148
>I think Asuka doesn't kill anybody with her shitheadness. Shinji does.
She killed Rei, by being such a shithead that couldn't help her when she was under attack by Armisael.
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>>100256720
Keep throwing out insults, it'll really strengthen your argument.

Something to point out, even if we measure the amount of 'bad' in Shinji and Asuka's childhood and decide that they had similar levels of shittiness, they still had differences in their traumas. Asuka was loved by her mother until the accident, at which point she got to spend (i don't know how much time) watching her mother reject her in favor of a doll in front of her face. Then she got to see her mom's hanging corpse right as she was trying to win her mother back with the news of her being selected for Eva piloting. Shinji was loved by his mother until she 'died'. Then his father abandoned him.

Both are really shitty childhoods, but which one do you think is more likely to foster violent and deranged behavior?

>>100256273
>Asuka is still a bitch. She was born that way.
You're retarded. How do you know what she was like before her mom went coocoo?
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>ITT: The blame game

I don't understand what's going on here. Both Shinji and Asuka had troubling pasts, both are struggling in the present, and both can evidently be shitheads. Yet they're still very different from each other and they're still good characters.

What exactly is everyone trying to prove here?
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>>100257148
>He isn't cute. Asuka is an angel.
And you expect us to take you seriously?
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>>100257148
>I think Asuka doesn't kill anybody with her shitheadness. Shinji does.
One of the reasons Shinji is this bad, is because of Asuka. Her being a "shithead", caused her to fail even doing what she sought to do, pilot EVA.

This means:
>She couldn't help out Shinji or Rei in the fight
This means Rei dies alone against Armisael, instead of being helped like Rei helped her against Arael.
>She caused EVA02 to be vulnerable
Kaworu could just walk in and use it.
>She couldn't start prepared against SEELE in EoE, and died
Misato saved her for a while.

>>100257265
I mean born with the tendency. Born that way.
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>>100257130
>emotional damage dies with the source
>you can't solve issues regarding someone until they're dead
You know some people can't deal with their problems on their own and do need outside help right? Not everyone is a true Ubermench like yourself.
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>>100257071
A really shitty family that is arguably worse than living with a guardian, like Shinji did.
>>100256409

Fun Fact: Asuka's dead started screwing a new woman while her mother was still alive and in the hospital. Basically at the age of 6 she got a really good lesson on how people are worthless and can be replaced at anytime- her crazy mother replaces her with a doll, her father replaces her mother with some new bitch, and she's expected to replace her mother with this same woman who doesn't particularly like her.

At least Gendo had the loyalty to Yui not to put little Shinji though something like that.

>>100257119
>she just overheard
A sixth year old just overheard her stepmother threatening to leave her because the stepmother didn't really like her. Sure it wasn't directed at her, but do you really think that makes a difference?
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>>100257270
That muh waifu is better than your waifu. In fact, she's perfect in every way possible; superior to thosw horrible 3DPD. If only I could hug her, she'd hug me back unless that stupid bitch from high school.
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>>100257378
>Asuka's dead
Freudian slip? Meant to say Asuka's dad.
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>>100257270
That Asuka, good character or not (I think she is), is a bitch. The other side is trying to prove (and I quote): Asuka's an angel
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I actually prefer the constant circlejerking over which girl is the cutest to arguing over whose past justifies their actions the most. At least the fawning is saccharine and not supposed to be intellectual.
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>>100257270
They're actually pretty similar. Shinji even has that line about it in EoE during Tang Bang 2015.
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>>100257404
>Implying you don't do the same

Reifag pls
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>>100257341
>Shinji is this bad, is because of Asuka.
His point was Shinji was the one killing people.
You say that Asuka is somehow to blame for Shinji killing people.

That sounds completely retarded, considering even outside of his Asuka didn't influence any big choices Shinji had to make or actions Shinji did. You really have no valid argument. Or at least not an argument that makes a lick of sense out of your hatred for Asuka.
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>>100256789
>Asuka's goal is mediocre to begin with.
What?
I agree her goal is a pretty bad one. I don't admire her because she wants to be an EVA pilot, I admire her because whatever goal she has, she sticks with it.

And is it that hard to relate to her goal? The defining experience of her life was walking in on her mom's corpse right as she was about to give her the big news of her becoming an Eva pilot. For the most difficult portion of Asuka's life, all she wanted was her mother's love, approval, and fuck, acknowledgement of her existence. Eva was how she'd get that, it's natural that even with her mother gone Asuka would cling to that.
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>>100245193
the fans
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>>100257148
>>100257265
Shinji isn't to blame for your waifus fuckups.

It's Shinji's fault that Asuka picks on him? It isn't.

>siding with the bully
Guess you liked 3.33.
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>>100257503
>Implying I'm a Reifag
>Implying waifu/husbando faggotry isn't cancer regardless the target
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>>100257378
>At least Gendo had the loyalty to Yui not to put little Shinji though something like that.
You mean screwing Ritsuko and all that?
Not giving a fuck about Shinji in general?

Asuka's father was with her. Shinji's wasn't.
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>>100257448
Asukafag here. I prefer Asuka, but superficially they're both equally cute.

Even more cute if they're kissing
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>>100257525
>I admire her because whatever goal she has, she sticks with it.
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>>100257511
>You say that Asuka is somehow to blame for Shinji killing people.
Nope.

Asuka being shit only made Shinji's life worse, which is why she's a bitch.

Shinji's example also isn't an act of being a bitch, it's an act of being completely broken and mindfucked. Try again.
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>>100257652
Because Asuka's not allowed to be completely broken and mindfucked. Double standards anyone?
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>>100257621
then post one where they actually are and not just about to. please.
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>>100257621
I agree
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>>100225189
Or you could just watch the first episode of NGE she appears in. That pretty much shows you she be a bitch
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>>100257711
Nah.
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>>100257621
>>100257711
>>100257732

Girls should love girls.
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>>100257432
I don't think anyone except the shitposters are trying to argue that Asuka's an angel.
I haven't been part of the community long enough to speak for most asukafags, but I have no problem admitting she's a massive bitch. It's just disappointing that a lot of people in this thread can't sympathize with her reasons for being a bitch. And I personally find that Asuka has some notable redeeming qualities.

>>100257341
>I mean born with the tendency. Born that way.
The tendency to be a bitch? What makes you say that?
Did Shinji and Asuka have the same exact childhoods, and the difference in their end results arises purely from the fact that Shinji tends to be pussy bitch while Asuka tends to be a conventional bitch?
>>100257265
>Something to point out, even if we measure the amount of 'bad' in Shinji and Asuka's childhood and decide that they had similar levels of shittiness, they still had differences in their traumas. Asuka was loved by her mother until the accident, at which point she got to spend (i don't know how much time) watching her mother reject her in favor of a doll in front of her face. Then she got to see her mom's hanging corpse right as she was trying to win her mother back with the news of her being selected for Eva piloting. Shinji was loved by his mother until she 'died'. Then his father abandoned him.
>Both are really shitty childhoods, but which one do you think is more likely to foster violent and deranged behavior?
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>>100257732
Maybe some non-japanese style kissing?
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>>100257794
The fuck. Image swap bug strikes again. Will delete as soon as I can. Fuck you moot.
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Asuka best NGE girl. Accept it.
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>>100257794

Some shitposter on /co/ just looked like a fool.
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>>100257833
>The tendency to be a bitch? What makes you say that?
That Asuka is a bitch even when she doesn't have a sad backstory. In every single canon.
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>>100257869
>>100257861
>>100257711
Here we go.
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>>100257525
>I admire her because whatever goal she has, she sticks with it.
Which isn't admirable in the least. You're too upset and caught up with defending your waifu to be rational.

If you can't change your goals or your orientation, you're an idiot. You can't change and you're a loser. You can't even aspire to be better.

>>100257371
Don't get me or anyone else wrong, they're all pitiable people, but that's my point at least, she needs help because she can't fix it herself. She's not good or capable enough.
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>>100257816
>>100257938
Thread derail status: successful
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>>100258053
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>>100257833
>It's just disappointing that a lot of people in this thread can't sympathize with her reasons for being a bitch. And I personally find that Asuka has some notable redeeming qualities.
That's just you projecting your whiteknighting onto the rest.

Why should you sympathize? Pissing off other people isn't acceptable even if you're having a bad day. It's a bad thing. You shouldn't sympathize, but you could empathize. Sympathize with suffering but don't use it as an excuse.
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>>100257652
>Asuka being shit only made Shinji's life worse

I can't tell if you're actually serious or not, because I see no example of Asuka making Shinji's life worse.
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you all suck dick
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>>100258004
>she needs help because she can't fix it herself.
None of them can, they're all broken people surrounded by other broken people which makes them all seem even more broken.
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>>100257707
She isn't broken and mindfucked until the final end, and then she breaks down fully and tries to kill herself.
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>>100256671
>Because it serves the point of illuminating whether or not it's Asuka's shitty life that makes her a bitch. Think, "if there's similar and/or worse, why aren't they also bitches?"
This
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>>100258053
That's not a derailment it is a rerailment; and at least I approve of it, sometimes we need something to get us unstuck from our arguments.
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>>100258124
Quit pretending to be me.
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>>100258124
You and you're waifu a shit.
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>how do two girls have sex.jpg
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>>100258102
>pestering him daily
>blaming everything on him
>physical verbal abuse

Asukafag, kill yourself
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>>100258080
Haha, you know Rei originally had a dick in that picture? It's why Asuka is awkwardly stroking an invisible penis.

>>100258137
You mean around the same time Shinji tries to kill himself?
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I'm okay with this
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I have definite proof bloodseeker is a bitch.
Seeker sounds like cyka if you pronounce it funny, and that means bitch!
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>>100258004
>Which isn't admirable in the least. You're too upset and caught up with defending your waifu to be rational.
>If you can't change your goals or your orientation, you're an idiot. You can't change and you're a loser. You can't even aspire to be better.

>implying I have a waifu
Keep up with the ad hominem.
Why would you change your goals before you reach them? That's just giving up.

I will say Asuka failed in recognizing that she already was a notable Eva pilot and that there were more things in life for her to look to. But...
>is it that hard to relate to her goal? The defining experience of her life was walking in on her mom's corpse right as she was about to give her the big news of her becoming an Eva pilot. For the most difficult portion of Asuka's life, all she wanted was her mother's love, approval, and fuck, acknowledgement of her existence. Eva was how she'd get that, it's natural that even with her mother gone Asuka would cling to that.
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>>100258244
Rei can grow a kaworu-shapped dick.
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>>100258125
>None of them can
Shinji, Rei and Misato was on the way. They were taking the right steps.
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>>100258295
Why are Reifags so beta?

Not him by the way
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>>100258365
What? We're not the ones who are into verbal and physical abuse.
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>>100258336
Uguu
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>>100258365
>Why are Reifags so beta?

They won't be reifags if they can handle a real girl.
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>>100258421
No, but you're into girls who don't display any negative emotions so that you can assert your dominance.

Beta all the same.
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>>100258342
So was Asuka. We start to see her opening up to Shinji a little before she gets knocked back to square one like the rest of them.
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>>100258295
>implying Shinji didn't talk back at her
>constant bickering suddenly makes your life go down the crapper

Don't you have an imouto, anon?
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>>100258295
Thats because she like him ya dingus.
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>>100258479
Wrong, she wasn't! Not even one second of the way.
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>>100258470
Even if that were true, that would be chauvinism not beta. being into being dominated by your partner, that's beta.
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>>100258479
Opening up isn't what the problem is here. Asuka doesn't have issues like that with people she knows. With Hikari, Misato, Shinji, doesn't matter who, she's extroverted like that.
Her problem lies elsewhere with her self-esteem and negative attitude towards others, which is what kills her in the end, and that, she did nothing at all to fix.
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>tfw your rival for the attention of that stupid boy you don't like starts grinding her doll vagina against yours
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>>100258295
>giving him human interaction
Shinji had much bigger problems than getting called baka and getting trivial things blamed on him. And if you couldn't tell from the mood of the scenes where Asuka pesters/abuses Shinji, the two of them were more or less enjoying their time together.
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>>100258597
Not if you take turns topping
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>>100258365
Because they're character-fags.

>>100258491
Yes, and Shinji only talks back in the manga. Point is, he has to talk back - meaning Asuka's the bitch that deserves talk-back.

>>100258496
I forgot. Tsundere. Right.
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>>100253050
>A clone of somebody is the same person

Asuka fags please.
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>>100258514
>tells him a little about her childhood after she gets off the phone with her step mother
No that's right she wasn't getting more comfortable with someone she just forgot how to be a bitch for 30 seconds.
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>>100258323
My dick.
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>>100258597
It's beta because assuming you were to display your manliness to a girl like Asuka, you'd get your feelings hurt the moment she denies it.

Sounds like beta to be.

Besides,
>Not wanting to be dominated in bed by a woman
That's a fetish, you don't have to be a beta to enjoy that
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>>100258300
>You mean around the same time Shinji tries to kill himself?
Way before that.

>>100258320
>Why would you change your goals before you reach them? That's just giving up.
...or realizing your goal was shit. Having a goal that's more or less like "I wanna eat shit", and then thinking "wait that's retarded", isn't giving up.

You can set yourself unrealistic goals out of immaturity, and maturing often means you set better ones - some times even higher goals.

Relating is irrelevant.
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>>100258617
The person she presents herself as isn't actually who she is. It's an act she puts up because she doesn't want to get close to people. So yeah opening up is her problem.
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>>100258704
>Shinji only talks back in the manga.
How long has it been since you've watched the anime? He talks back in there, too.

>meaning Asuka's the bitch that deserves talk-back.
We almost had a good thing going before you started shilling again.

Now go hug your imouto.
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>>100258470
rei slaps shinji.jpg
rei calls out asuka for being a bitch.jpg

Rei can do that, and it's my opinion that one of her flaws is that she isn't capable of showing it more.

>>100258735
It's funny but that's exactly what happened. She goes back to being a bitch after her time is up, as if to compensate.
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>>100258847
>The person she presents herself as isn't actually who she is
Anon. It's what you do that counts, not what you hide.
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>>100258796
My feelings wouldn't get hurt, I don't frequent people who think they can be an ass to me, I just zoom them out and get rid of as soon as possible.
>Not wanting to be dominated in bed by a woman
Where exactly did I mention a bed? In life in general. I'm and introvert but I'm no one's bitch.
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>>100258932
Sure she can, but only a few times. The rest of the time she just takes it.
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>>100258932
>as if to compensate
For doing something she would perceive as weak. Namely opening up to someone about herself.
>>100258980
That's a very limited perspective on people.
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>>100258847
No, it's exactly who she is - nobody is forcing her, but she does it anyway. It's not an simply an act when you let it affect others.

It's not a good thing to do, and she can't claim ignorance either. She knows she's hurting others, and that is also the intent.

>>100258674
He had bigger problems, but it's just a strawman that asukafags come forth with to say that anyone thinks Asuka is his #1 problem. The thread is filled with bad waifufag argumentation like that.

Thread says Asuka is a bitch, and if everyone can agree, then we're done.
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>>100259010
>I just zoom them out and get rid of as soon as possible.
Hah. You're another anon on /a/. I have a hard time believe that.
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>>100259026
If she can, then you've got nothing to say.
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>>100259050
>For doing something she would perceive as weak. Namely opening up to someone about herself.
That's even weaker of her.

>That's a very limited perspective on people.
But it's the truth none the less. Asuka isn't a secret avenger or good-doer.

Asuka chooses being a bitch when she knows she doesn't have to.
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>>100259105
>everyone can agree, then we're done
Everyone knows that and agrees. That doesn't stop me and plenty of people from liking her though.

I don't know how or why this thread delved into "their pasts justifies them all" bullshit in the first place.
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>>100259109
Well, as hard as it is to believe, I don't have the largest circle of friends in the world. weird I know, but it's the truth. And I'm still no one's bitch
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>>100259010
>Where exactly did I mention a bed?
>Dominated by your partner

Oh I thought you were talking about sex.

Well shit

>I'm and introvert but I'm no one's bitch.

Spoken like a true beta
This is what I was trying to point out, you can't handle anything that you don't agree with. You're probably one of those people who can't take criticism in a professional manner. Instead as you stated, you'd just run away from it.
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>>100258796
Domination "in bed" shouldn't have anything to do with this, it's just pure waifufaggtry that shows Asukafags being out for a fap-fantasy.

>>100259050
>That's a very limited perspective on people.
But it's accurate none the less. Let's say you keep inside yourself the thought of doing good, but only ever do the bad. You're a terrible person still, perhaps even worse since you knew how to do good but didn't.

At the final count, it's what you did not what you thought that counted.
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>>100259342
See
>>100259298
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>>100259264
>I don't know how or why this thread delved into "their pasts justifies them all" bullshit in the first place.
Standard Asukafag rhetoric, that's how.

>b-but her shitty life
Then they get pointed out for them that a shitty life doesn't give you a go signal for being a bitch, and even that others with just as or shittier lives didn't become "bitches".
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>>100259395
Heh, well we call that a freudian slip. He immediately goes into sex domination.
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>>100259298
I can take criticism very well the career I'm in relies on that, but just like I said I don't put up with assholes.
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>>100258814
How is the goal of becoming a top Eva pilot a shit goal? How was Asuka's goal in her case unrealistic?
>Relating is irrelevant.
What the fuck was the point in watching a character-driven anime then? Of course relating is irrelevant, we all make mistakes in the decisions we make through life and we all fail to recognize these mistakes sometimes, and there are perfectly legitimate reasons for them. Asuka's situation is an example of this.

>>100259105
I jumped in on this argument towards the beginning of this thread because people were saying Asuka is a weak character.
She is a bitch but that doesn't make her a bad, dismissible, or completely unlikeable character either.
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>>100225189
Do the dubs say her name as "a sucker"?
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>>100259416
What are you going on about?

Nobody said it was a green light for her to be a bitch, but that it's at least justified.
Hell, they didn't even say that.
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>>100259298
>>100259472
also to be fair, that is some bad logic and argumentation.

There's a difference between criticism and insults, most people can discern between constructive and un-constructive criticism, and just so you know, your critics are often your best friends.
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check'em
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>>100259105
>No, it's exactly who she is
>People are exactly as they present themselves
You're either very naive or have the most transparent and honest people on the planet in your life.

>>100259252
She has a warped idea of what it means to rely on someone. She sees it as weakness even if there's no real alternative. She's not some tragic angelic figure. She's a scared little girl who keeps people at a distance because she thinks it'll only end up hurting her if they get close.

>>100259342
I'm not arguing it justifies it but if you're trying to understand why someone does what they do you need to take into account what they feel and why they feel that way.
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>>100259342
>>100259298
No one wants to be dominated all the time. Like when I think of Asuka and Shinji, I see this sort of thing as the ideal
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Did anyone learn anything, or were nearly 500 posts of wheel spinning pointless?
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>>100259602
You're kind of late anon.

Less than 30 posts though.
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>>100259644
nice dubs
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>>100259631
Of course everyone learned something, there's nothing els to discuss so this will be the last eva thread ever other than for image dumps.
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>>100259476
Then you should have no problem putting up with an asshole or two.

>>100259576
>There's a difference between criticism and insults
Both they're both mentioned in the same manner. It's truthful name calling in a sense.
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>>100259631
Doesn't matter, there was some decent discussion in here and we got to waste like 2 hours of our lives talking about a great show.

Granted there was a lot of shitflinging going on but whatever.
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>>100259631
Not really, it just reaffirmed that Reifags are insufferable cunts.
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>>100259631
>implying ANYONE learns anything from waifu threads
Are you new to this?
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>>100259551
Then you jumped in too late into the discussion.
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I'm replying this post to achieve reply limit and die this fucking stupid thread.
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>>100259762
Being a critic and an asshole are two different things. As is knowing how to put up with an asshole and liking assholes.
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>>100259631
Asuka a bitch but she also a best girl
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>>100259489
It's a shit goal because as even Rei tells her, it's not the only way to be happy, and that you can't rely on that one thing.
It's unrealistic, and a moronic thing to do since if you lose it, you lose everything. It's as expected as a dumb teenager to set that goal, and you're a moron for finding it admirable.

>What the fuck was the point in watching a character-driven anime then?
Learning, understanding. It has nothing to do with relating. You can't relate to everything, you can understand however.
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>>100225189
Half Life 3 confirmed.
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check'em ntrylfi ralph
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>>100259826
That still doesn't change your baseless bias though.
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>>100259265
>I'm still no one's bitch

This sounds like a personal problem.

The projection level is off the charts!
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>>100259910

That's the real moral behind Eva.
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>>100259631
it's been 19 years, these arguments will never end
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>>100259489
>She is a bitch but that doesn't make her a bad, dismissible, or completely unlikeable character either.
That's a subjective thing. She is bad, dismissable and unlikable, but you like her anyway because of MUH FETISH or some other reason, which makes you deluded into actually defending bad behavior as a good thing.
Take the most shit person you know, somebody might like it and there's nothing you can do about it.
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500
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>>100259891
I can agree to that logic. Reifags aren't so bad.
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>>100259976
What bias?
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>>100259631
I learned that Reifags cry bitch tears since Asuka wins every Eva installment, thanks to >>100250300
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>>100260025
So close
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>>100259995
ok, sure.
>>100260000
quads confirms it. we're here forever.
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>>100260025
See you in the next thread.
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I just wanna say, I couldn't stand being around Asuka because it's just pain with nothing to make it worth it.

And I wouldn't want to be with Rei because she's 2mysterious4me, never showing her true emotions.

Kaworu best waifu of all time. If he were a girl or if I was gay my dick would be diamonds everyone time his name was mentioned.
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>>100260069
Sadamoto pls
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>>100260103
>2mysterious4me, never showing her true emotions.
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>>100260103
Oh god, they're here

Abandon ship
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>>100259762
>Both they're both mentioned in the same manner. It's truthful name calling in a sense.
Absolutely not, and I can't take you seriously any more because of that comment.

If you're so autistic you can't tell the difference between unconstructive and constructive criticism, google it for a definition since you aren't able to tell the difference from experience alone.

Some times people say something negative that isn't helpful in any way, and some times, they highlight negative things that can be improved on, and even offer a solution. It has often to do with tone as well.
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>>100258637
I'd think they'd make a cute couple

Nothing anyone will say will change my opinion
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>>100260007
>She is bad, dismissable and unlikable, but you like her anyway because of MUH FETISH
>He doesn't enjoy delicious Asuka
>he dismisses everyone who likes her as fetishfags out of his butthurt that people like what he hates

Soryu strong
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>>100260136
>never showing her true emotions
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>>100260069

Rei is a nice girl and fans of Rei are no more autistic than anyone else. No bully.
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I see from this thread that Asukafags can't take criticism, and always go on the defensive going into topics that are irrelevant.

You have Asukafags saying "WELLYEAH SHE IS A BITCH, but (insert half-assed non-working defensive thing here)".

You don't have to do this. Just enjoy Asuka being a bitch.
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>>100260171
I agree
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>>100260148
>In a sense
But that doesn't mean I fully believe that. I said it was kind of "that".

Of course I can tell the difference ya jackass.
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>>100260190
>never showing
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>>100260189
That's implying I don't like Asuka.
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>>100260213
Nah Reifags a shit and deserves their punishment from the two masters.
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>>100260239
I'm the only one who will enjoy Asuka being a bitch.

I feel like I'm the only one that likes violent bitchy cunts.
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>>100260245
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>>100260239
Neither can Reifags, evidently.

But feel free to wear the tinfoil hat and delude yourself further that Asukafags are the only problem.
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>>100260289
>never
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>>100260257
I'm not so sure you can, really. At any rate the discussion has had some serious backpedaling and moving of goalposts, to the point where the difference no longer matters as long as it's acknowledged to exist.
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>>100260245
>>100260171

I think they need their own Detective Diaries style spinoff, but with yuri.
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550 posts confirmed
God dammit, Evafags
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>>100260317
How disgusting
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>>100260403
>550 posts confirmed
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>>100260413
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post more /u/
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>>100260437
If we keep lingering around this thread, yeah.
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>>100260292
Asuka is the best girl in any form of everything ever. She has problems of her own but uses them to become talented and skilled at something valuable to humanity and takes pride in what she does, even if on the inside she's just as messed up as everyone else and that shows when it comes to her relationships. She's also a 10/10 in looks and has the coolest EVA. This makes her someone you can respect for her strength and love for her weakness.

If you don't agree ur gay[/spoiler
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>>100260470
You ain't getting these back Nigsuka.
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>>100259932
>You can't relate to everything, you can understand however.
Then can you put some effort into understanding why Asuka has the priorities she has?

>it's not the only way to be happy
by definition, that can be said about literally everything

>you can't rely on that one thing
No, no you can't. Do you think Asuka was in a position to comprehend that?

>It's unrealistic
Maybe for you and me. For her? She was already accepted for training to be an Eva pilot. She was a child prodigy in just about everything. The goal was definitely within her reach. In fact, she did reach that goal, she just never acknowledged that or moved on past it.

>you're a moron for finding it admirable.
ok
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>>100260339
They are, except this guy: >>100260316
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>>100260473
Ok
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>>100260696
>Then can you put some effort into understanding why Asuka has the priorities she has?
You know, understanding something doesn't mean agreeing with it.
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>>100260625
Anime is not real though. Thanks for imagination.
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>>100260662
but isn't her taste for watermelons evidence of her nigness?
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>>100260625
I'd rather be gay than compliment Asuka.
Kaworu is way hotter than her anyway.
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>>100260712
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>>100260696
>Then can you put some effort into understanding why Asuka has the priorities she has?
I understand it, but I and you should both agree that it's wrong. Not good. Perhaps you don't understand the situation yourself? You don't have to agree.
Understanding something can make you disagree even more.

>by definition, that can be said about literally everything
Way to miss the point. Asuka is doing just that.

>Maybe for you and me. For her?
Yes for her too. Especially with how it turned out. Her goal is rubbish to begin with, and I maintain that you're a moron.
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>>100260796
>implying she wouldn't eat them all out of spite
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>>100260814
Get out of here Toji
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>>100256671
winrar
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>>100260696
Asuka wanting to be TOP PILOT is retarded. It's not a good goal, it's not helpful to her or even herself. Just because you're #1 at something doesn't make everyone respect you. Even so it's often a fake kind of respect. Some times it's just a courtesy or formality.

Asuka is a dumb little girl who doesn't know shit, and that's her character, it's immature as hell.

You find this immaturity "admirable", that's to me at least only a sign of your own immaturity.
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>>100260941
I find it cute
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>>100261156
Meant for
>>100260940
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>>100260940
She's only 14. Most 14 year olds are pretty stupid.
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>>100260857
I never said I agreed with Asuka's goal, or that it was good for her. I've said that her goal worked for her up until she started performing poorly on sync ratio tests. I've also said that I admire Asuka for her uncompromising view of herself (which I believe started this entire argument).

It's easy for me or you or anyone else to say that Asuka made idiotic decisions because we observed her entire life story from an outside perspective. I highly doubt that you or I would have done much more with our lives or made much better decisions if we were put in the same situations she was put in.

It still saddens me that you'd call someone a moron for not wanting to compromise with themselves.
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>>100261316
I know, so why deny it? Asuka's schtick is that "she's cute", because she's a child that wants to grow up. It's fukken moe.
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>>100261336
>I've said that her goal worked for her up until she started performing poorly on sync ratio tests.
Her goal would never ever work. It wouldn't work, ever.
You saw yourself what happened when the inevitable happened, Asuka tried to kill herself because she was a failure. No self-esteem, no power to change herself.

Respecting or admiring that, makes you an a moron. Mostly because you think that what Asuka is doing, is not wanting to compromise herself, because compromise herself is exactly what she's doing. You're as immature and deluded as her.
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The whole point of Eva was that it was supposed to be character driven. Even though it's still argued to this day whether it did it well or not, there's no denying that it tried really hard to create characters that were flawed like real people. In real life no one is perfect, and liking someone means liking their combination of faults and strengths better than other peoples.

Everyone's eva waifus are shit, you just like one's combination of faults and strengths more than others.

Why is everyone such a baka
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>>100261351
I'm personally not denying it so I can't say. I would disagree that it's a cute thing that she wants to be grown up and independent of other people so badly. It's actually pretty sad. Not having anyone in your life you can rely on kinda sucks.
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>>100261351
"I like Asuka because she's cute."
-Hideaki Anno

>>100261435
Your waifu is the shittiest.
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>>100261435

I blame Hitler.
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>>100260940
Sigh. Let me pull back some quotes from my posts.

>>100254649
>I admire her uncompromising view of herself.
>>100257525
>I don't admire her because she wants to be an EVA pilot, I admire her because whatever goal she has, she sticks with it.
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>>100261482
She could rely on a lot of people, but that's not her problem. She has people, she's just an inner failure.
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>>100261505
>Your waifu is the shittiest.

I'll kill you
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>>100261557
She doesn't let herself rely on other people so it doesn't matter that they're there if she isn't willing to let them help her.
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>>100254649
10/10
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>>100261551
Having an uncompromising view of yourself isn't admirable, most of all because that very view is self-compromising. Adapt or die.
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>>100261654
That's her flaw too.
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>>100261841
Uh yeah that's kinda what I said.
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>>100259631
It all
returns
to nothing
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>>100261433
Jesus fuck are you retarded? How many times do I have to explain this shit?
I have never defended Asuka's goal as a good one. I have only argued that we can't blame her for choosing this goal.
See >>100257525

>Her goal would never ever work. It wouldn't work, ever.
What do you mean it would never work? It would never make her happy? It did work up until the events of the series, and then it broke down, but that's because it wasn't a sustainable way of making Asuka happy, not that her goal was unattainable. What do you mean 'the inevitable'? It was inevitable that Asuka would fail? Where do you conclude that?

>Mostly because you think that what Asuka is doing, is not wanting to compromise herself, because compromise herself is exactly what she's doing.
Nice play on words. I get it that Asuka doomed herself to failure (hurr hurr compromised herself) by refusing any identity other than that of a great Eva pilot (not wanting to compromise herself). But once again you've either missed or avoided my original point that I admire Asuka because she knows what she wants out of herself and she won't accept anything else, which is a virtue I am lacking in myself.
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>>100262148
>I have only argued that we can't blame her for choosing this goal.
You can. She's dumb for choosing it, her fault
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>>100262148
Why can't you blame her for having bad priorities? because she's ur waifu?
Anon pls.

>It did work up until the events of the series,
It didn't work even once.
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>>100262148
>>100262245
forgot to add
>Nice play on words
It's not a play on words. The whole concept is self-contradictory to begin with. It doesn't work.
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>>100262131
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>>100262131
I'm satisfied.
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>>100262374
that explains the red eyes
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>>100262374
if kaworu asked shinji to smoke weed i bet he wud do it
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>>100262197
>yeah! I totally would have made better decisions in her place!

>>100262245
>It didn't work even once.
She seemed pretty fuckin happy in the first half of the series

>>100262302
>It doesn't work.
Never said it would in the long run. Reading comprehension.
>I get it that Asuka doomed herself to failure

And again, what do you mean by 'work'?
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>>100262657
>yeah! I totally would have made better decisions in her place!
I didn't say that. Maybe I would, maybe I'd make even worse. Point is that they're bad mkay.
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>>100262657
>She seemed pretty fuckin happy in the first half of the series
Fake happiness, and happiness that won't last. Like instrumentality happiness.

>And again, what do you mean by 'work'?
Because it only works in a limited scenario. Asuka wants to be the best pilot, OK. In the beginning there's noone to compare to. That's the only place it works.

Plus there's more to life than being the best pilot, and you won't be happy even if you were #1. That's just an excuse Asuka uses to feel better about herself, no better than when Shinji jerks off for a moment.
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>>100262733
>Point is that they're bad mkay.
No, that's not what you initially said, if it was I wouldn't have replied to you because I would have agreed. You asserted that you can blame Asuka for her bad decisions and that she's dumb for those decisions.

You are in no position to blame someone or judge them as dumb for their mistakes unless you know you'd act better.
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>>100262904
I only need to know they could and should have acted better. It is blameworthy.
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How high do you think are the chances that Eva 02 will make it into SRW Z3?
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>>100262904
To butt in on this, that's false.

Asuka makes bad decisions that are easily avoided, so they're hilariously bad in retrospect. She wasn't forced or ignorant enough to do what she does. She doesn't even give it a thought.

That makes her especially blameworthy, whether or not a person could do better or worse in her situation. That's literally taking a strawman and arguing using it.
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>>100262904
just because somebody would have made the same mistakes doesn't make them any less of a mistake.
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>>100254649

She breaks down because of multiple things. Its not just the inability to pilot the EVA. Its obviously the angels attack that reminds her of her mother and the rejection/beating from Shinji / Kaji. The EVA is just the sum of it all. She can't pilot it because shes broken. That was the last thing she shad. There is a reason why she can't pilot it

>its not because she made a meaningful discovery about her life
>she found out her mother had loved her

What the fuck. That is huge and changes everything. The piloting of EVA and her mother are deeply connected

She does change. Right before EoE she was suicidal. After waking up in the EVA she does no longer want to be dead when she realizes she is in danger. Only after hearing her mother does she actively start back up

Her strength is from her own actions and the followed valuation from others. She needs others to look at her and see how strong and adult she is. Being the best guarantees this The EVA is a tool for that
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Rei a shit



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