Is this show worth watching? I put it off for two years because it looked like whiny drama shit with happy magical girl mask.
it really isn't. honestly
It's worth watching so you can partake in the image dump threads that constitute the Madoka threads nowadays.
>whiny drama shit with happy magical girl mask.
And that's exactly what it is.
It's at least a 6/10 though.
It's worth watching once, but it doesn't deserve the fanbase it has.
see the 3 movies and nothing more
Greatest anime in the last 20 years.
Madoka is worthless and cries for 99% of the show.
wow spoiler tag that shit asshole!
It has produced some of the best QUALITY reaction images.
Seriously, make the character more than 4 feet away, and their head is a goddamn blob
It's easily one of the most epic anime.
Homura is a time traveler, Mami dies on episode 3, Sayaka dies, Kyoko dies, the soulgems are their souls, etc.
Go back to /b/ kid.
I don't understand why grown men would watch this
Mami is my waifu. Your jokes cannot harm me.
true, most other magical girl shows have more things that appeal to grown men
This needed more of Mami's mamis.
It's a 13 episode show. Even with a job and everything it won't take this much time.
But yes, it's a pretty decent Mahou Shoujo (please don't start with the "not it's not MS/it's a deconstruction/whatever now. Please) that is fairly entertaining for what it is. Watch the BD releases and the movies a week or more after.
Please enjoy yourself.
>running til all her clothes and hairpieces fall off
This is my fetish
Kyubey is an alien. He uses the emotional energy of teenage girls to counter the entropic death of the universe. When magical girls use too much magic and don't cleanse their soul gems with grief seeds, they turn into witches. Sayaka turns into a witch in episode 8. Homura is actually a time traveler who has been trying fruitlessly to save madoka from dying. Madoka becomes a god at the end and gets rid of witches.
You could make that argument for anything.
It's overrated as fuck.
Watch the first 2 films if you wanna get an idea of what happens in the first TV show. It only shaves off about an hour off. Then watch the 3rd film for Homura and Homura only.
You guys are shit at spoiling people. It's supposed to be a short sentence that people read before they realize what they've read, something really quick and to the point like
"Nagisa dies at the end."
"Kamina dies in episode 8."
Five words, spoiled a major part of the story. That's how you do it.
I don't understand the appeal of these girls. Can you imagine how stinky they get with all the fighting?
I found it pretty underwhelming to be honest. It only gets interesting like 3/4 of the way through the show.
Stop trying to turn people on.
>Can you imagine how stinky they get with all the fighting?
It's the citizen kane of anime
Don't talk about mai waifu
Her crunching noises make me rock hard
Shut up and watch it.
It's not that big of a deal. Most of the hype came from the gory shock value.
woah generic advant garde final fantasy like enemy so original
Were you giggling when you typed that, anon?
I stopped watching once only Homura and Madoka were left.
Ignoring the sarcasm, Walpurgisnacht has a great final-boss feeling to it. It gets a very climactic entrance that in my mind is on the level of Kafka's final fight.
Of course it is. It's pretty fun.
It was boring as shit, the fight scene wasn't even cool.
Best part of the episode was this.
Is this show worth watching? I put it off for seventeen years because it looked like whiny drama shit with action mecha mask.
doh ho ho
>the fight scene wasn't even cool.
What the fuck?
Its not terrible. Worth watching just so you know what people are talking about
ume+shinbo = 10/10
+ urobutcher = 6/10
watch it and pretend the hidamaris are putting on a super edgy play or something
incidentally see pic related
oh alright how about UR A FAGET
Only 77 days left.
>It was boring as shit, the fight scene wasn't even cool.
I'm on to you, anon. I'm coming.
Wait did her mom seriously just give her sake
What the fuck
No.. you are stupid.
>boring as shit
I have no idea where you derive this feeling from, especially if you've watched the BDs and movies at least once each, which you should.
>Homura watches the storm approaching over the horizon
>Fog rolls in
>Homura's stalwart expression as she walks through a parade of familiars
>Series uses the iconic countdown
There's 1 different in them that is
No one care any shit about Ryuki and its just poor writing and boring story.
That's why they begged Gen to write Gaim for them.
It's worth watching.
However, the fans are completely blind to the show's actual flaws, while the haters are usually too busy being contrarian and spamming buzzwords while presenting no meaningful or thoughtful criticisms of the show.
You can already see that many of the posts in this thread fall into these two categories, aside from the spoilers. Madoka on /a/ has become something for people to shitpost about and argue about best girls, you'll hardly find any smart opinions about it since everyone's tired of actually discussing the show.
One of best stories ever written. It's the fucking evangelion of anime, and has a relatively deep storyline without being 2deep4u or pretentious (unlike evangelion)
>the show's actual flaws
Wait. You can't. Because there aren't any.
my feeling is derived from the lackluster, low frame count animation and lame predictable sceneplay
your imagination makes it out to be more fantastic than it is
Madoka threads may be bad overall, but saying that there's no good discussion is just not true. There's been a lot of good discussion after Rebellion.
You could be a cool hipster guy by hating which major like. Why do hesitate?
There is a thread right now with good discussion, fuck you.
Such funny, much original.
Then what the fuck was it?
This nigga knows what's up. That soundtrack gives me a hard on.
I've watched the show about 15 times now and I am watching it now. It is just fucking great OP
The expositions from Kyuubey and his character overall. There is one for you
>The expositions from Kyuubey and his character overall
Whats exactly wrong with it? His exposition is understandable, so are his motivations.
What are you referring to?
>exposition is inherently bad
hahahahaha. There are definitely flaws in madoka but that is not one of them.
>fans are completely blind to the show's actual flaws
Exactly what I meant.
In case you were actually serious, the character development was rushed and none of the characters were particularly complex or realistic. All of Homu's development happens in a single (admittedly well done) episode. For 13 episodes, they did a fairly decent job of cramming in characterization and development for 5 separate characters, but that doesn't excuse the fact that fully exploring 5 characters with any amount of complexity just didn't work with the amount of time they had, especially when so much was taken up by explaining how the powers, witches, entropy, etc., work.
That was my biggest complaint.
The scene where madoka and her mom are up at night talking about doing the "wrong thing"
Watch a few episodes and decide for yourself. Don't rely on others opinions especially from /a/. To much variety in interests to get a solid opinion. I will say that I enjoyed the series as a whole. Its one of the better shows I have seen and definatly would recommend giving it a shot. At least to episode 3. I have a 3 rule with all shows before dropping one.
you know nothing about writing
characters are flat, have practically no personality traits that aren't made up and projected by fans
>All of Homu's development happens in a single (admittedly well done) episode.
What is character developement?
I hid that thread immediately because of the OP, I just assumed it was going to be another waifu shot flinging thread.
I'll rephrase: there is some good Madoka discussion, it's just not easy to find.
>the character development was rushed and none of the characters were particularly complex or realistic
Wrong. The characters were developed enough for story to unfold. And their complexity is far above average.
>All of Homu's development happens in a single (admittedly well done) episode.
That is not a problem, because the show is about Madoka, not Homura. And actually showing how character developed in single episode and not make it look bad is achievement on itself.
> how the powers, witches, entropy, etc., work
There is absolutely no need to go into such details, because they would have no effect on the end result. So why even try it?
Its not even anime just a slideshow. Plot is dumb characters are cute I guess but the ending is worse than the holocaust. Overall a strong 7/10; overrated and silly but good.
I cared about Ryuki.
>none of the characters were particularly complex or realistic
They were pushed onto the audience..hard. He ended up becoming "the explainer" for the latter half of the series. Every plot point that was elaborated on was done so by him. He was supposedly a hard point of logic and reason yet his own reasoning was flawed
While I agree with this partially they had a limited amount of time to work with, hence why they made the movies.
Nigga, we are in good discussion now.
I think you posted in the wrong thread
This is the third "is madoka good" thread in the last 24 hours. Why is this happening now?
More exposure due to Rebellion and the stupid Oscar threads, if I had to guess.
>They were pushed onto the audience..hard. He ended up becoming "the explainer" for the latter half of the series. Every plot point that was elaborated on was done so by him.
I kind of agree. But I don't think it is such a big problem to call it a flaw.
>e was supposedly a hard point of logic and reason yet his own reasoning was flawed
>hence why they made the movies.
You mean the first two where they cut out the important parts, or the third one where they rape the characterization of the original for sake of pandering?
Whatever anyone who seriously discusses this show must have brain damage. Its only redeeming quality was character design and the witch sequences.
You know that image was made ironically by someone who enjoyed both of those shows, right? Please tell me you aren't just parroting things you have no knowledge of.
>the third one where they rape the characterization of the original
Oh look, another idiot.
Madoka didn't just lift stuff from Ryuki.
It also lifted stuff from Ultraman Nexus.
>hope vs despair
>fighting monsters inside a barrier
>similar protagonist type where they eventually man up and save the day at the end (Madoka became super meguca/Komon became Ultraman Noa)
Sayaka and Kyouko.
You looking into a mirror?
What about them? What part of their characterization from the first series implies they could never become friends?
Goddamnit I enjoy threads for Madoka. She's such a cutie, I mean look at her. I'm an all fag but there's a big divot in Madoka's exposure on /a/ that only gets filled by the occasionally Madoka thread but I really appreciate you madokabros for making these threads on occasion.
>lifting Faustian themes from Ultraman
Or, it might have taken Faustian themes from, say, Faust.
Definitely the best of 2011.
>Your imagination makes it out to be more fantastic than it is
How do you manage to make it through manga, let alone literature?
I really hope Madoka doesn't even get nominated if this shit is going to be result.
I think it was okay, probably a bit too overrated. The ending was a huge let-down, considering how much /a/ was hyping it. The soundtrack was really nice. I haven't bothered with the movies, but I'd say the TV series is worth watching.
Well Gen could've watched Ultraman Nexus first (he definitely watched Ryuki and he's writing Gaim so it isn't surprising considering he's a toku fan) before deciding to do the Faust thing and I'd argue that the ending of Madoka is much closer to Nexus than Ryuki.
>before deciding to do the Faust thing
Gen had nothing to do with Faust. That was someone else's work.
I do recall hearing that a lot of the /lit/ related stuff in both this and Psycho Pass were someone else's idea.
If Gen had had his way the witches would have been generic tentacle monsters or something. A lot of what made Madoka great came from Inu Curry and other people.
Regardless it's still so similar it isn't even funny. Take the ending for example.
>Homura consumed by despair/Nagi consumed by DARKNESS
>Madoka/Komon shows up to save them (they even save them by grasping their hands)
>Madoka finally becomes meguca at the end/Komon finally becomes Ultraman at the end
>Madoka/Ultraman disappears but people continue fighting because muh hope
The quotes from Faust in the labyrinths and other was added by InoCurry but the similarities with Faust were already there, Mephistopheles = QB, Gretchen = Madoka, Faust = Homura, etc.
>That is not a problem, because the show is about Madoka, not Homura. And actually showing how character developed in single episode and not make it look bad is achievement on itself.
The show's entire plot revolves around both Madoka and Homura and their relationship; they're almost equal in importance.
>And actually showing how character developed in single episode and not make it look bad is achievement on itself.
It's much better to gradually build up a character, revealing things over time, than suddenly throw a massive amount of characterization into a single episode. That's how all of the other characters were handled. I understand why they'd do this (it's a sudden, big reveal that answers all of our questions and stuns the audience), but for such an important character, I don't think this was the right way. We honestly don't know much about Homura until episode 10; there are a lot of obvious signs that she is incredibly important and she's inexplicably tied to Madoka's fate, but up until that episode all there is to her is that she's cold and distant but also is fixated on saving Madoka. The reveal was spectacular, but it was frustrating knowing so little about her while the other characters got their arcs and got killed off. In terms of characterization, she might as well not exist until they dropped the bomb and suddenly said "Here it is, make way for the only surviving magical girl who's also the 2nd most important to the story!"
I cannot think of one off the top of my head, but I assure you they are there.
I guess I wouldn't call it a "flaw", but it was just bad writing. That happens when you have a lot of information you want to present the audience but cannot think of ways to do so. Not that they had the time in a 12 episode run to have more...creative exposition, so I can understand why they did what they did.
On a storytelling level Madoka did well, it delivered its plot in a logical progression, the devices used were very direct and effective. I have problems with the characters and their developments, but overall they did alright in that area. The people that seem to have a problem with the show tend to oversimplify the plot.
Like I said in a previous post, I am a fan of the show and have watched it many times so it is really just nitpicking.
That is what one would call "formulaic" which can describe nearly every story ever told.
Yeah I agree with most of your post but I think that the effect of the delivery itself is what they were going for. They wanted to drop that bomb, so to speak.
>It's much better to gradually build up a character,
They actually did do that. Homura does have lots of exposition even before episode 10. Episode 10 just caps it up. Thats why it is so enjoyable to rewatch the whole thing. You get all the nuances of Homura's character.
>We honestly don't know much about Homura until episode 10; there are a lot of obvious signs that she is incredibly important and she's inexplicably tied to Madoka's fate, but up until that episode all there is to her is that she's cold and distant but also is fixated on saving Madoka.
Isn't that enough? You don't have to spell out everything.
>It's much better to gradually build up a character
That's exactly what was done for both Homura and Madoka. The big reveal for Homura was in episode 10, but gradually you learned more and more about her purpose and her powers. I think in episode 8 it was first revealed that she had time powers. There's a major detail revealed before episode 10. In episode 4, we learn that she's been a magical girl for a long time. That's an important detail. Also a little foreshadowing in that. In episode 6 or 7 (I can't quite recall), it's revealed that she has a goal. Now we don't understand her motivation behind this goal, and that's good. Don't give it all away too soon. There are also some other more minor instances of Homura's development that takes place before episode 10 that I haven't listed. So to say all of Homura's development was done in episode 10 is false.
There's also the fact that everything she does is for Madoka's sake, as she tells Sayaka in episode 8.
>doesn't deserve the fanbase it has.
It definitely doesn't, it actually deserves much better than the permanent waifu wars and meta posting going around.
>I cannot think of one off the top of my head, but I assure you they are there.
Well your argument is invalid until you find one.
>That happens when you have a lot of information you want to present the audience but cannot think of ways to do so.
Only place I can imagine this being a problem is how Madoka's got her immense power. And that is problem of a system only Kyubey understands, so it is natural for him to explain it. And even better, this explanation causes great deal of character development in Homura, so it is not just "explaining for the sake of explaining".
And don't bring the whole "entropy" thing into this. Only flaw I can think of is them using this to explain Kyubey's motivation. They could just go with generic "gonna do it for greater good" and be done with it.
The Rebellion threads before the western premier had much less of that, because all of the anons who are either underage or post like it were avoiding spoilers. It was great while it lasted, Homufags and Kyoubros.
Also, most of the fights from both series takes place inside a barrier. The last battle takes place outside of a barrier in an open city.
Before the western premier and something like at least a week after the japanese premier is probably what you mean.
Since most of the threads right after the discussion of spoilers ran out and before the camrip came were full of "Homura a shit" attempts of reversing the Sayaka gag (which is dumb in itself in the first place).
After that, yes, it was an unusually peaceful time that I wish could have lasted