No best meguca thread ?
What's wrong with you /a/ ?
We just had a Kyouko thread though.
Accualy its a madoka thread
Madoka is not the best girl but whatever, Madoka thread. I can get behind that idea.
A Homura thread you say?
I'm a homufag, but my master's master is my master.
Real Madokafags don't shitpost, fuck off and kill yourself.
is it wrong to want to cum inside madoka?
u wot ?
>another best meguca thread
You do the same shit three times a day, then get autismal when someone shits on your waifu. Then rinse and repeat. No actual discussion.
Even red vs blue wars are better than this.
Madokafags don't exist
Is it wrong to want to be Madoka and have homuhomu cum inside me?
not me, im not a mami fag
Just like Madoka
...Or so I'd have said, before Rebellion at least.
I want to see Madoka become pregnant and grow up with her child being raised as a sibling that she acts like an unusually overbearing onee-chan towards.
Ironically Mamifags barely participate in best girl threads. Neither do Madofags
Just Sayafags, Homufags, and Kyofags trying to shit all over each other. Pretty pathetic.
>WaifuWarz in the first fucking five posts
Do you fuckers ever get tired of getting into WaifuWarz? Seriously?
Every fucking thread for this show is the same shit, a bunch of people trying to derail it into a thread for their waifu. After the 50th fucking thread you think this shit would get boring but apparently not.
No wonder anime constantly reuses the same unfunny jokes, the fanbase fucking loves repetitive shit.
alive and well!
>Autistic individuals display many forms of repetitive or restricted behavior, which the Repetitive Behavior Scale-Revised (RBS-R) categorizes as follows.
Madoka thread are 80% shitposting, 20% discussion. Well, maybe 90/10 actually.
You act like this only happens in Madoka threads. Literally any other anime with more than one girl has waifu wars on /a/.
By misspelling it intentionally, I portray my complete and utter disdain for the bullshit that WaifuWarz cause.
Really I just someone use it once and thought it was funny
Fuck off and post Madoka.
How about you fuck off and go to /c/ asshole
I see faggots all the time here, do you see me telling them to fuck off to /lgbt/?
4chan is an imageboard
You couldn't protect her, /a/ this is all your fault.
we don't need that condom madoka, I'm going to MAKE you pregnant
>Hm my friend thinks she's worthless
>Better prove her right by never letting her do anything to help others!
Why is Homura so awful?
everyone here is committing blasphemy
Madoka is the ostensive main character in her own show.
Is it wrong that I want to pull out the flowers and just breath deep into her shoes?
lol, you fucking autist, don't you get tired of posting this crap?
Best girl here, sorry I'm late.
Why the hell aren't you doing your duty as an anon and directing degenerates back to /lgbt/?
>gonna be with your love death forever
>status quo and nthing happen , so madoka can be happy
nah , she is smart
She's really dedicated, but also really misguided. Madoka needs to rejoin herself with Madokami and then have a long heart-to-heart with Akuma Homu, and just get this shit sorted out. They're so *almost* being happy together it hurts.
Does anyone actually like these things?
Some of them are cute
Yes, even the ones with clunky animation.
Wow. She can't even keep her top up.
Sayaka is an absolute whore.
Ways to steer a topic in a more productive direction:
[x] Start a positive topic-relevant avenue of discussion yourself. e.g., "What does Nutcracker Witch mean? How is the symbolism relevant to Rebellion?"
[x] Be the devil's advocate and use dissent to invoke discussion. e.g., "Nagisa is worthless. Why did Urobuchi ever write her in?"
If the above fails, hide the thread and do something productive with your life. Avoid:
>Throwing a tantrum like a child and derailing threads with the same tired metaposts that everyone has seen countless times. "Every Madoka 'best girl' thread is the same. What's that? My metaposting is also a carbon copy of hundreds of other posts? I'm being a hypocrite? Well, you're a faggot."
>Showing a complete lack of empathy for others. "Why are you autists so fucking pathetic? You're different from me which clearly means you're inferior to me. I'm fucking awesome, which is why I spend my time bitching on /a/."
If you see a post you think doesn't belong here, hide and report it. Otherwise you're just being a hypocrite for criticizing others for unproductive discussion when yours is even moreso pointless.
I don't think Madoka will actually be happy if she can't shoot her cool laser-bow at bad guys
Obviously Homura needs to invent virtual reality so Madoka can be a hero in video games
I love this series. Do you?
Yes, it's pretty good. I love it.
I want to eat Madoka's hair
Why is she using a condom? I'm sure that Madoka and Homura would be happy to have a baby together.
Finally got around to watching the camrip for the 3rd movie.
What a ride, I loved it.
Are there people who seriously didn't understand the ending? Homura's wish all along had been to redo her meeting with Madoka and protect her. Her little dialogue with dream-madoka made her believe that it was the right thing to do, and in Madoka's best interest. When Madokami came down to carry her off to Yuri Valhalla, they had their first meeting again and Homura got her wish to protect Madoka.
Also the symbolism of Homura's witch barrier is a mix of russian and french literature surrounding their respective monarchies and revolutions. There's supposed to be a parallel drawn between the French revolution and the story of the Nutcracker and Homura's rebellion. I wouldn't read to far into it, because my impression was that it was just a dumping ground of things that went along with the theme of rebellion.
Absolutely. The series changed me.
>Are there people who seriously didn't understand the ending?
There's just a lot of confusion surrounding the science and some of the symbolism. There's no definitive answer on how Homura manged to separate Madoka from the Law of Cycle and rewrite the universe in a while similar to how Madoka die.
There's a problem.
Madoka can never be happy unless she's giving of herself to help solve the problem. She's self-sacrificial by nature
Homura can't be happy as long as Madoka is sacrificing herself.
The movie ended with Homura essentially saving Madoka from herself, but that's obviously more for her sake than for Madoka's. As long as the world isn't perfect these 2 will be at odds
I never heard about the French Revolution thing, that's interesting.
Yes, Rebellion is ridiculously filled with references, allusions, analogies, etc.
I'm sure there's a lot still hidden that hasn't been picked up on because camrip and because everyone has different knowledge of literature.
There's also confusion over how coobie extracts wishes from the karma of little girls.
Or, well, there shouldn't be. It's fucking magic, yo.
Theoretically there's no reason for Madoka to be unhappy, she may just feel unfulfilled because she's doesn't have a life goal. But as long as she's not aware of how things used to be, she'll at least be content.
Well like I said, I thought that was pretty simple: Homura's wish did it. She had never actually had her wish granted, despite all those attempts to repeat and rewrite history. It's not like there's a scientific or mechanical explanation behind how it happened. She made a wish to protect Madoka when they redid their first meeting, and that wish gave her the power to protect Madoka when they redid their first meeting. It just so happened that the thing she was protecting Madoka from was Madoka's own wish.
No, not really, that's explained.
Isn't she saying "can we NOT use a condom today?"
Madoka is simply the cutest thing I've ever seen. I'm a Homuhomo but... damn...
See that's what I said, but a lot of people say that that doesn't work because that was her wish in the old universe, not the new one.
Yeah, that whole scene where Homura's witch barrier first forms and they all unite to fight it; the scene where witch-homura is marching towards the guillotine is an iconic event from the french revolution. I wish I could remember the name of the actual woman they beheaded.
Oh god Sealdoka is the cutest thing ever
>She had never actually had her wish granted
Stop reading there, she protects Madoka at the end of the series.
No she doesn't?
On that end, anons are just going to have to agree to disagree, since while there's some stuff hinting at that, we ultimately don't know shit about Bowmura's world / timeline. If they ever do an OVA of that or something, that'd be cool.
That is actually the strongest theory going around. It's still just a theory though.
No, Madoka protects herself and her city. Homura failed. What Homura did was give Madoka the strength to do this.
Are you referring to Marie Antoinette?
After the movie almost nobody does sealdoka anymore, it's a shame.
That's just splitting hairs. Mahou Shoujo's abilities are based on their wishes. Her abilities remained unchanged in the new universe, as did the fact that she formed the contract in the first place. Her memories also remained un-altered.
Without Madoka existing in the new universe, there'd be no context or reason for her to make the same wish over again or form a contract with the nature of redoing an event in time.
Her memories carried over, her contract and powers as a Mahou Shoujo carried over, so why wouldn't her wish carry over?
The dialogue with dream-madoka also made it overwhelming clear, from a narrative standpoint that the driving motivation behind the rebellion was to 'save' madoka, presumably from herself, since dream madoka expressed regret at becoming Madokami.
So if we were to assume that her wish didn't carry over, then we're left with the fact that her abilities and memories carried over, and that she somehow inexplicably gained the ability to protect Madoka when they had their first meeting in the new universe, instead of being saved by Madoka. Considering the fact that her wish was to redo their first meeting and protect Madoka instead of being protected by her, it's absurd to insist that the 2 aren't connected based on some arbitrary assumption that the wish didn't carry over (despite the fact that we have no precedent to support it).
I know the post I'm responding to is only playing devil's advocate, but I honestly don't understand the reasoning behind that interpretation.
>she may just feel unfulfilled
Her feelings of being unfulfilled are what makes her unhappy. Her life at least compared to the other girls is perfect with loving parents, a younger sibling, and friends. Still I can sympathize with Madoka's feelings and I can easily say that when your life is easier/happier it makes your feelings of worthlessness worse, you start to think that this happiness is wasted on you who won't accomplish anything in life.
I'd love that, since it would probably do well and we could get TDS animated.
Yeah the exact mechanics are up to speculation, but I think it certainly works thematically.
TDS wouldn't work as an OVA, it's too long.
Am I? I honestly can't remember. It's been so long since I studied any of this and historical names are all just kind of free-floating.
They could do a three-episode OVA, one episode per volume.
Not if they skip the part that's a direct adaptation of the drama CD. They could just do from vol.2 on.
But the backstory is like the most important part.
Well if you don't mind getting maybe a fifth of the story, I guess that could work.
Never going to happen, they already made it clear that SayaKyou sells more, it's time to let it die.
You don't think they could tell the story in three episodes? TDS isn't that long.
Then just do one or two episodes per volume. It's not like they have to worry about it selling well. SHAFT just need to not be lazy faggots (I realize as I type this how stupid I sound).
The TDS volumes are as long as the 3 volumes for the series. And Hanokage's adaption of the series removes nothing.
>SHAFT just need to not be lazy faggots (I realize as I type this how stupid I sound).
I don't understand why you'd say you sound stupid. Shaft isn't lazy at all.
This theory by itself seemed unfounded to me, since wishes don't just conveniently change over time to reflect the girls' desires. But if you consider that Bowmura's change is a reflection of her wish being different in the new timeline, and hold that in tandem with the idea that Homura told Kyubey about Madoka on purpose in order to mastermind her Rebellion, it makes perfect sense.
It answers why Homura was able to split Madokami. It's because in the timeline Madokami created, Homura wished for such a thing in the first place.
any other allfags, anyone?
Tell that to the people waiting for Kizu.
Eh, its not as good as Hidamari.
Hmm, I guess you're right then, it's been a while since I've read it. I feel like it should still be shorter than the main series though.
That's not laziness. That's spite.
Oh man Kizu isn't being released fast enough.
What did people think of Oriko?
I just got done reading it, and despite the short length, I didn't mind it. The whole Magical Girl killing Magical Girls idea was good, but it seemed a little flat for me. The new art style was very interesting though.
I haven't read Kazumi yet, is it worth picking up?
They tend to run into deadlines and end up having to rush things, and then fix everything in the BDs.
That bucket, everytime.
Nice idea, poor execution. Oriko's plan all being revealed at the end was kind of lame. But I do like the concept of Homura being forced to choose Madoka over the world.
I never finished Kazumi because it was just too much of a clusterfuck, I wouldn't recommend it.
Make a contract...
Yeah, it's pretty long. I kind of want to read it again now.
I could have been allfag if I am not charmed by Sayaka,
You know it.
I didn't like the ending really at all.
You get a big battle scene which is nice, some tension building where Oriko and Homura are basically trying to see who can drain the others magic first, but then Kyuubey shows us, spills his beans then Madoka dies. We don't even get a single panel of Homura resetting the timeline.
It was just very abrupt.
God damn it moritan, you just had to slip that cheek peek in there, didn't you.
That's because they try to do more than what they should be. Shaft's vision is too strong for tv shows.
That's entirely possible, since we're lead to presume that Homura spent her entire life int he new universe being aware of the previous one, that's a lot of time to plan things out.
I still think that belies too great a teleology to the whole narrative. Homura wasn't confident about needing to 'save' madokami until her little chat with the fake madoka in her dreamworld. You can probably pinpoint that moment and the whole "you're the real Madoka" thing as the moment she made that decision.
I also don't believe it's necessary for the wish to have changed over time. The exact nature of the wish was to "redo my first meeting with Madoka, but this time I want to protect her, instead!" Her ability to rewind time was a manifestation of the power to enact that wish, but she ultimately failed in the original universe: no matter how many times she redid that first meeting, she either failed to protect Madoka, or in the case of the final timeline was still protected by Madoka (at Madoka's own expense).
The Rebellion constitutes the conditions of that wish; it's their first meeting, and Homura attempts to protect Madoka instead of being protected ('saved') by her. Why she succeeds this time isn't so much a matter of the physical (or magical) power involved, but rather the will involved. That's the element of character development; she was willing to use Madoka's salvation as self-satisfaction. It wasn't just about saving a friend, it was about love and making herself happy; even if this contravened Madoka's own wishes.
There's also the fact that what made Madoka's wish so powerful in the first place was the karma (read: grief) that had accumulated from all the repeated timelines and her suffering within them. By the same stroke, Homura's power would have scaled as well. QB suggests in the original series that what made Madoka have so much potential as an MH was that she possessed hope to such a great degree that it balanced out that accumulated despair. Rebellion reveals that it was much the same with Homura, except that it was love instead of hope that powered a wish so massive that it rewrote the universe itself. It's all a parallel.
>That's entirely possible
No, is fucking isn't, god you are retarded.
They certainly outdid themselves with Rebellion. The camrip really doesn't do it justice, seeing it on the big screen was amazing.
Oriko would be the BEST options for OVA if Urobutcher could improve some things.
The visuals were fucking spectacular, it blew my mind.
The pacing was a bit off, though. I really didn't like that after the reveal that it was Homura's labyrinth, they had to go into a ~10 minute QB infodump. They just sort of neutered a climactic revelation with a long string of nothing, before jumping back into climax.
Oh shit, we did?
You guys are crazy. Beach OVA > all those silly manga spinoffs
>By the same stroke, Homura's power would have scaled as well.
If her power increases then how is that she wasn't capable of defeating Walpurgis after a few timeloop? Walpurgis power also increases with each timeloop because she is one of the major causes of death to Madoka? Then what about the other causes? like Mami going on a rampage and killing everyone? That means Mami also increases her powers with each timeloop? what decides what is affected by the Timeloop and what not?
This theory is fucking stupid by the way.
What, the fourth drama CD? I can't even remember what happened in that anymore, didn't they fight a witch in the ocean and Sayaka and Kyouko got in a fight and had to make up or something?
Yes, they killed the witch using a flamethrower Moemura had stored.
Which is more of a dangerous, Walpurgis or Gretchen?
Why I opposed the theory at first is that there's no precedent for an evolving wish. Homura's wish shouldn't ever give her more than shield and time-stop. Not being strong enough isn't an excuse, or else her wish would have evolved long before Episode 1.
But it makes sense if you consider that the effects of Homura's wish post-Madokami are completely different.
>Homura wasn't confident about needing to 'save' madokami until her little chat with the fake madoka in her dreamworld.
We really don't know enough about Bowmura to assume that, and Homura's memories in Homulilly's labyrinth are altered to an unknown extent.
Please give thoughtful posts thoughtful responses, rather than ad hominem.
I don't remember that. Why would...? Never mind.
The one that destroys the world
Their attacks bounced on it, and the witch was made of rubber, so...
Beach ovas sell. My nigga Shinbo loves cash flow. You know what it is.
Fucking stupid and fucking retarded seem to be the common responses to any attempt at discussion or analysis among this fanbase.
Walpurgis Night was growing stronger each loop, this we know. It's the reason Homura was never able to beat it solo (which she laments directly in the final episode).
But that's entirely besides the point. You're thinking in the terms of powerlevels. I don't mean to suggest that the overall powerlevel of the characters was affected by this cycle of karma, just the power of their wish. It was the power of Madoka's wish that created Godoka and allowed her to rewrite the world, because her wish contained such immeasurable hope. It was the power of Homura's wish that allowed her to usurp that same godlike wish in order to protect Madoka, and change the universe in order to do so.
What is that based off of again?
Is this a trick question?
Walpurgis can only destroy cities, Gretchen destroys worlds.
A picture of Lancer, Gil and Archer fishing.
Gretchen is cute
If Homura had god-like power all this time then how come she always loses to Mami?
I agree with all your points, and because of that I also thought the theory was stupid for that alone.
But Bowmura is a completely different story because her wish and powers are new.
Fucking Hanokage, she saw it all coming.
>But Bowmura is a completely different story because her wish is new.
Have evidence to support that?
I want to fish with Kyouko & Madoka then go shopping with them afterwards.
There seriously needs to be more art of her
In the rewriten universe Madoka never existed. She gained her memories of the old universe the night Sayaka died. She could not have wished to relive her meeting with Madoka as someone who can protect her.
>She gained her memories of the old universe the night Sayaka died
We don't know that for sure.
Maybe if you didn't have fucking stupid and fucking retarded theories you wouldn't be called fucking stupid and fucking retarded.
And no, we have no evidence to show that Walpurgis becomes stronger each timeloop, Homura just suck at magic and that is shows several times during the series.
Your Karma only affects your initial wish and we have no evidence to show that your potential becomes biggest after your initial wish because you gain more Karma.
So, I've only just gotten back into Madoka recently.
Have we ever gotten conrfirmation on what Walmart Night is other than a combination of witches? Where did she come from, and how did she become what she is now?
Did the movie leave any cliffhanger/room for a sequel series, or did it pretty much close the door Homura's repetitions.
Not that anon, but the timeline is like this
Homura's Wish = > Closed time loops = > Madokami is born
Post madokami the entire world, history of the world is completely reconstructed and at the point in which Homura reconverges into (the scene where Sayaka dies) the new Homura, let's call her Homura' (prime) she is already a mahou shoujo at that state.
Homura' timeline looks something like this:
Wish => Becomes Mahou Shoujo (with different powers than Homura) => Sayaka's death
Notice that in this new timeline there is no Madoka, therefore homura' could not have made any wish related to Madoka.
Notice that Homura' gains the memories of Homura at the point of Sayaka's death, and her out-of-place reaction confuses both Mami & Kyouko, both of whom don't know of the "madoka" that Homura' had just started talking about inappropriately at the scene of sayaka's death.
In other words, Homura' lived, made a wish, and then fought as a mahou shoujo up to the point where sayaka dies with no knowledge or memory of Madoka or the prior timelines.
So in other words you can think of there being three different Homuras:
Homura - original
Homura' - the homura of the new reconstructed timeline that has no memories of any previous timelines therefore she could not have made any wish concerning something she has no understanding or conception of
Homura'' - Homura' with the memories/soul/spirit/tamashi/whatever u want to call it, of Homura.
There's no new information on Walpurgis, no. And the movie left hella room for a sequel.
It's all circumstantial of course. For example, Urobuchi linked the wings to Rebellion through a nebulous statement. Combined with the trailer for the movie and the opening to the movie, we have evidence that Homura is discontent with the world long before she enters the witch barrier.
Also, recall that her despair as a witch in the first place is the grief of losing Madoka. We see this through the Luminous/pink tang sequence which directly segues into Homulilly commenting, "ah, so this is my despair."
I wonder what this shot was even supposed to be originally.
>we have no evidence to show that Walpurgis becomes stronger each timeloop
how retarded can you be
>For example, Urobuchi linked the wings to Rebellion through a nebulous statement.
The wings weren't the idea of Urobuchi, god fucking dammit, people.
I'm not really sure Madoka can be considered the best, because she is only a magical girl for about three seconds.
Its like saying Wolverine is the best mutant in X-Men First Class.
But that's true. We didn't actually see any Walpurgis fights aside from the one in episode 11.
Ok, show me the evidence.
I've been thinking. Madokami collected magical girls before then turned into witches (Or did before the new world was created) and we know that Walpurgis is made up of multiple witches.
Could that be a hint as to where Walpurgis came from? I mean it's odd to see a group of magical girls that are about to turn into witches just vanish, then see a witch who is the amalgamation of magical girls.
Why is qb in her soulgem?
She's still a meguca even before she becomes meguca.
I don't understand what you're getting at.
then why does she never win, despite becoming so stupid strong beyond anything we have seen
the last time line is so ridiculous yet it hardly dents walmart night
Because Walpurgis has lots of hitpoints.
Homura is not strong, she is the weakest of the megucas, all she has is time stop.
The difficult thing is that Walpurgisnacht exists as a single entity in service to Madokami as shown when her elephant familiar lead the procession for Madoka to purify Homura in Rebellion.
If it's a conglomeration of witches, I'd wager that there's still one "main" witch that it started off as and gives it its theme.
it was also defeated in the first couple of time lines too, but it seems like fate or something that everyone still dies
You're still on this shit after she went toe to toe with Mami?
Great question. I hope the BDs have deleted scenes and the like. There was apparently some good shit that was cut out.
Chiwa said in an interview that she voiced a part for the final scene wherein Homura is humming along to "Mada dame yo," which as we recall, is a tune that is used as a motif for many integral scenes to Rebellion. Homura humming this would be a great way to cement her as an analogy to Clara in The Nutcracker, tying in with Wer Traumt, the first Nightmare from the intro scene, and Gothloli Homu's imagery as a hikki-type girl who is always under her blanket.
We don't know how it was defeated before, exactly. Perhaps Madoka had to pull of some glorious gesture of suicide like Kyouko to kill it in the first timelime. Presumably it had been weakened by Mami too. In the second timeline, she's stronger so she doesn't have to kill herself to do the same thing, but she uses up all her magic. In the third timeline, she's even stronger, and manages to kill without Mami's help but working together with Homura.
Urubochi said that Walpurgis is a collection of witches, not just one.
MadoKami heals magical girls before they fall into despair, then she seems to collect them or wish them away.
It would seem that the group of magical girls that Madokami healed eventually did turn into witches, and somehow combined in an effort to escape. Just a theory.
Granted, I havn't seen Rebellion yet, so I have just opened a discussion that is easily disproven.
>I hope the BDs have deleted scenes and the like.
Would be very nice, but they would have definitely confirmed it by now.
And she still lost.
That doesn't mean she's weak and only relies on time stop.
We don't even know if Madoka kill her the first time, Walpurgis could have just leave the city.
The combining of all the composite witches doesn't necessarily have to have happened at their formation though, Walpurgis could have absorbed smaller witches to eventually get to its final state.
Maybe karma that makes Madoka even stronger everytime Homura timeslips also affects Walpurgis Nacht.
Timeline 1 : Walpurgis Lap 500
Timeline 5 : Walpurgis Lap 8000
Also a possibility. Either way, it's not a stretch to imagine that its strength remained constant throughout all timelines, while still being too strong for Homura to beat alone.
>and only relies on time stop.
She lost because she depended on her time stop, are you stupid?
You're objectively wrong if you think Urobuchi is the sole origin of every plot point of the series. Also, stop leaning on the 5% of Magica Quartet interviews that ever get translated as if none of the information derived from their implications can ever be misleading.
This is true, I just thought it odd that Madoka collected almost-witches.
I guess we've got to wait a while until we actually find out what Walpurgis really is.
don't see how that invalidates what I said
wackamole night gets stronger because it's linked to Madoka killing and dying to it
no one else can stop it
But we don't know that for sure, because we have no direct evidence of it getting stronger and it's entirely possible that its strength remained the same given the information we have.
>wackamole night gets stronger because it's linked to Madoka killing and dying to it
And there isn't evidence of that.
You said she only relies on time stop. For that to be true, the second her time stop was removed form the equation, she should have just lost without a fight because she would have been left without the only thing she relies on. Are you stupid?
yeah you do, fucking missiles and a stadium of C4 did shit to it
what else do you need
Or a simple reason, Walpurgis Nacht is just immune to modern weapon.
That doesn't prove anything, anon.
I need to see what would happen in a similar situation in a previous timeline. We have it established that it is really strong in the anime timeline, okay. That doesn't tell us anything about its strength in previous timelines.
Highly unlikely, that's the sort of thing Homura probably would have figured out after fighting it a hundred times.
She was still kinda depending on her timestop in that fight, those bullets didn't stop in midair for no reason.
U.S. BD preorders when
Flash New: Homura is fucking stupid and never learns from her mistakes.
it dies to shitty meduka arrows in the first couple of time lines
but whatever, the point is that it cannot be killed because muh fate
you could say it's just immune to dying, same thing
She had it active from most of the fight, but it wasn't doing anything to Mami. So no, she wasn't relying on it. Not until the end where she pulled her fake suicide stunt was she relying on her time stop ability.
No, I'm sorry, no one is stupid enough not to realize that their only method of attack is having zero effect on an enemy they've fought a hundred times.
This. Madoka is the only one who ever beats Walpurgis because unlike Walpurgis, her power scales.
We never see Walpurgisnacht defeated in the first three timelines (I have no clue why people assume it is, especially for the second timeline when we see Madoka's despair added to some sort of amalgamation of despair which is already floating in the sky), but it's the entire premise of the fourth timeline we're shown. It takes Madoka countless multiplications to her karmic potential before she actually becomes strong enough to defeat it. Walpurgisnacht is definitely strong.
Go watch episode 11 again.
But we don't know how it dies the first couple of timelines. First of all, it was already softened up by Mami, who probably Tiro Finale'd it in the face like twenty times. Secondly, Madoka dies or uses up all her power every time she fights it. Thirdly, we don't even know if they did succeed in killing it every time.
What the hell does that have to do with my post?
The first time I saw the show this is what I always thought was what happened, it's the only explanation that makes sense.
I don't know why everything thinks Walpurgis ever gets killed in those early time-lines. To me it looks like Homura and Madoka always fail to kill it and it destroys the city then leaves. The only timeline where we get a confirmed walpurgis kill is the one where Madoka takes her out in one hit.
People assume things if it helps their argument.
>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
Please kill yourself.
Finally, logical anons.
The first three timelines show a Mitakihara flooded by the 'monsoon,' and if Walpurgisnacht successfully leveled the city I see no reason to believe it was ever stopped in the first place, especially considering that timeline two shows Madoka's grief being added to the collective despair of Walpurgisnacht.
The fourth timeline we see has a Mitakihara that is more ruined and flooded than ever before. Since Madoka one-shotted Walpurgy the flood can't be its doing. We see her silhouette in the background with Homura completely downtrodden, so the apparent explanation is that Gretchen's immense power created a storm much bigger than Walpurgisnacht's, and she took off after destroying the city just like Wal does in the previous timelines we're shown.
No, I guess I can't make that joke anymore. Dammit, Homura.
uhg i hate this cuz i open the picture and the madoka disapears fu mate
Good it was never fucking funny. It's worse than head jokes you fucking faggot.
I never thought of it working that way actually, that would work better if the background was 4chan-colored.
Calm down Homura, as long as she's real in your heart that's all that matters
Fuck you and your terrible sense of humor.
Yes, logical. As in, making deductions based on what we see in the scenes rather than making shit up that is never shown or implied.
Not only are your claims baseless, but your case is so hopeless that you ignored all of the points relevant to the actual point being argued and instead made a shitty meta post.
Hmm, stupid stars.
>Who? is overdone
>head jokes are overdone
>Sayaka is a bitch is still popular
Sayaka a bitch isn't funny either and that shit should stop too. Fuck you if you use any of the three jokes we've mentioned.
The first two are a shitty joke, the last one is just a fact.
never 4give, never forget
>/a/ in charge of humor
>Uncreative insults every post
Some newfags try way too hard to fit in. Of course, it might be wrong to assume your hostility is an attempt to follow board culture, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. Your insults are middle-school levels of creative expression and intelligence, so if you're not doing it to fit in, then the only other explanation is that you unironically think "you fucking faggot" has weight as an insult.
It doesn't though--your posts are devoid of value. Please reread the rules, particularly Global Rule #6.
tl;dr: Please type something insightful before you hit 'Submit,' or at least attach images to your thoughtless posts
You almost got me.
I just didn't feel like it merited anything more thoughtful.
Why is everyone so angry
But you attached an image this time.
I say almost because I was actually about to make a thoughtful response.
I can still see Madoka, I don't know what you are talking about.
It's just one shitposter speaking in first-person because he doesn't grasp the concept of anonymous culture.
Are there versions of this with other megukas?
If I was actually competent I'd still be able to get rid of the slight transparent outline. Or you could just be referring to having a different background.
Not that I've seen. The original was with Yuno, I believe.
can you faggots stop posting the middle finger please
Well make them you lazy pieces of filth.
I'm not the one who wanted them am I you walking pile of refuse
Why is she so best?
cory in the house
Why the fuck you want that? You want another Mumi?
Cease this deviant behavior at once, Homura.
at least the pretentious fucktards stopped posting
>people talking about the show are pretentious
You can justify your shitposting because it's /a/, but there's no need to insult people trying to actually discuss anime.
You have yet to stop posting.
>4chan is garbage, I come here for the sole purpose of pissing off the kids that run it.
>You can justify your shitposting because it's /a/
Yeah, you tell that to moot, the mods, and 90% of the userbase too.
Get a life you autist stop spending every second of your free time here
Called the fuck out.
Some people have the mental depth of a toddler, so when they're placed in a sandbox they just shit in it and chew on their toys. Of course, if they're scolded, they just cry and shit some more. Trying to explain to them that no one likes dealing with a bawling child or cleaning up shit in a sandbox is useless; even if they're old enough understand words, they still lack the cognitive capacity to process complex thoughts.
The older kids don't have the power to stop the toddler from shitting in the sand, so eventually they're going to give up and play elsewhere.
Why is everyone still so angry
some people think 10000 words a second and type up long redundant posts that mean jack shit
Ignore the shitposters.
Because Homura fuck up the world and everything go to shit and you don't stopped!
I-I'm sorry, I tried my best.
Because she likes to relax/sleep in the lap of the other best girl.
Because some fucking faggot shitposters want to have vapid best girl wars, so they get angry at people who actually want to talk about the fucking anime. See>>100220942 this fucking faggot for example.
As the child's tantrum continues, rage inhibits its ability to produce coherent thought. Everyone still listening is stumped as to what the five-year old is trying to say.
But I do it all for you Madoka. For you For you For you For you For you.
Because Rebellion soiled a very happy ending for me by slapping the audience in the face saying "No Homura didn't get over it and contently fought for this new world knowing she'd be reunited with Madoka. She's still fucking up Madoka's decisions having absolutely no faith in her so called friend, love, whatever."
My very best friend my fucking ass.
Madoka likes to sleep in her own lap?
Remember the only point of this was to have a Meta comment about Madoka being an anime character.
Just because she was at peace with the situation at one point doesn't mean she can't change her mind. Most of her motivation for becoming a devil came from the flower field conversation. Also the fact that she was forced to become a witch inside her own mind, that'll probably drive anyone insane. Or insaner.
Do you really think that you need to trust someone and have faith in them to call thema friend?
Is that it? I just thought the anon with the retarded, baseless theories got told by posters like >>100217792 and >>100218060. They can't refute any of those points using observations as the basis for deduction, because if they followed a logical process, they would come to the same conclusion that every other intelligent viewer did. But they don't want to use their heads, they just want to be right. So, their only option left is ad hominem and shitposting, as evidenced by >>100218650
Yes, fuck you for even thinking otherwise.
Spoiler tags can't be used to cheat the BBCode anymore, anon. Dunno why.
Then you're a small-minded child.
It's established throughout the series that Homura does NOT trust Madoka's judgement, because she stops her or attempts to stop her from making wishes like three times a day on average. Like half the reason she had to go through all those timeloops is Madoka's self-sacrificing tendencies which Homura has to try to avert.
Only a sliver of optimism keeps me thinking that bowmura wouldn't make such a stupid leap of logic to think that a Madoka who only knows her matrix-like ideal world knows what she wants more than the goddess Madoka who has knowledge of every moment of her human weakness (including timeline 3) and still has no regrets about what she's done and simply wants Homura to trust her will.
image dump please
The inexperience is strong in this one. I'm not one to bash people for not having friends, or at least enough to understand complex relationships, but if you're going to talk about a topic involving such things, at least know something about it.
You have a poor qualification for who you consider a friend.
They clarified that children see things they aren't suppose to see, and he will forget it when he gets older.
Also heart string tugging. A way to show Madoka isn't really absolutely forgotten or gone, she's still there. Homura knows, apparently Tatsuya has seen her.
So anyways, why is Kyouko so poor when she could just become a VIP prostitute and drown in money?
she likes eating food because it reminds her of dicks
I kind of lost track of what you were saying somewhere in the middle of that run-on sentence, but the point is that Madoka said that she wouldn't want to have to go away from all her friends and family. That is what made what she did a sacrifice. To Madoka, it was worth it because it's in service of a higher purpose, but to Homura, Madoka's personal happiness is all that matters, so she has a much more narrow view of things.
What kind of fantasy world are you living in where you put complete and total trust in everyone you love enough to call a friend? I'd love to join you, really.
>why is Kyouko so poor
I know, right? Homura was totally cool with the events of the ending, as evidenced by her crying and screaming. On top of that, I have no idea where Rebellion pulled its premise from. God's closest and most powerful angel denounces salvation and instead embraces sin and desire? Gee, that was NEVER alluded to in the original series!
Maybe if your interpretation of the series wasn't shit, you wouldn't be in this predicament.
That is a pretty fucking stupid theory.
Well, unless she's homeless by choice, it's fair to assume that she's poor. She doesn't seem to care though, since she survives just fine.
It's equally as validated.
She's not homeless, she lives in a hotel.
>liking food means you like dicks
But the best girl isn't late -- Kyouko is pretty early, in fact as she is in the first post.
I must have missed that. What episode is it mentioned?
who are you to say she doesn't?
i like eating dicks, surely she must also like eating dicks
>God's closest and most powerful angel denounces salvation and instead embraces sin and desire? Gee, that was NEVER alluded to in the original series!
Yes, indeed, that was never referred to in the TV series, I don't know what are you getting here.
Did you even watch the show?
Well where do you think this takes place?
See, that's exactly the thing. I like dicks, and food is the least of things I would probably try to eat whilst thinking of dicks. In fact, I try to avoid it.
What the fuck.
>not liking dicks
You gay, son?
There is a girl on 4chan and unlike you she isn't a virgin.
I thought it was Sayaka's house.
4chan is the last place you want to take pride for not being a virgin.
No. I'm a dude. I like dicks and I'm a dude.
Then she better get out of here before i un-rape her.
how are you this retarded
Nice cherry picking, I guess at the end she was smiling when she heard Madoka's voice because she was thinking about how great her Rebellion would be right?
The Homura from ep. 12 developed into someone at least semi more developed by having her deal with the loss of Madoka.
Rebellion just brought her back to square one of her obsession and cranked it up to 11. Of course the whole board ate it up because MUH AI YO.
I kind of doubt Sayaka's parents would let a strange hobo into their house carrying there daughter's corpse. Also that's clearly not Sayaka's room, so I guess they let her use the guest room?
>I have severe dysfunctional Asperger's and even painfully obvious symbolism is still too implicit for me to grasp. Anything that isn't fed to me on a spoon may as well not exist.
By the way, since you didn't get it, all of those "toddler shits in a sandbox" posts were metaphoric--you're the toddler.
Kyouko is pretty ballin.
But Madoka isn't making some judgment, the contract is a desperate move that is basically suicide. Homura is preventing Madoka from being tricked by QB, as per her promise, not attacking her judgment.
The entire Madokami timeline worldview for Homura is based on the belief and trust of Madoka, since Madoka herself said she was content with her wish. She only realizes that this might be a mistake in the flower field.
why would you assume anything about her parents when they DO NOT EXIST
Honestly I was going with the allusion that on /a/ we are all little girls.
I just assumed she broke in unknowingly or something. And I never paid much attention to how Sayaka's room looked.
Then who are these people?
ARE YOU RESPONDING
Oh wow, never heard this before.
>My views are right!
>Ok show me the proof.
>I'm not gonna spoon feed you! Go rewatch the entire show until you see things my way!
Why would that be bait? What would possibly be gained by "baiting" me into responding to that post?
But that's exactly what happens in Rebellion and nobody says fucking anything!
that could be ANYONE
Teachers and/or social service workers.
It's a growing trend among shitposters. I don't know what you guys are talking about but I certainly recognize that flavor of bullshit. Probably not worth pursuing the discussion anon.
>The entire Madokami timeline worldview for Homura is based on the belief and trust of Madoka
Not really, Homura didn't really have a choice either way. Madoka just made her wish regardless of what Homura wanted, and Homura just had to deal with it.
It's kind of a game that they play. The object is to pretend to be retarded and see how many replies you can get.
I wonder if she just steals the money, or uses her natural assets.
Yeah, man. Kyouko and Sayaka are sharing the bedroom. The fuck every night.
The lack of the "corpse" element in that scenario makes it slightly different, I think.
I believe some supplementary material said that she robs ATMs.
OTP OTP OTP
>implying that Sayaka is not a walking corpse
Anyway, Sayaka definitely doesn't live in a damn high-rise.
>Q - Kyoko was always eating some snack. I really wanted to know how she got those food.
>A - Probably by stealing or something like that. For example, possibly she used magic power and stole it from a store nearby, or broke open an ATM and got the money (laugh). Absolutely brute force. Although she would not go so far as harming other people, I could imagine there were many cases of burglary in the town of Mitakebaramachi. Although she looked like a villain, she became a bad girl only in order to vent out her desperation, and by doing so she managed to carry on living. Alternative translation from /a/ "Kyoko is always eating some kind of snack, but I wonder, how does she manage to get so much food? It's probably all stolen. If I had to say she probably used her magic to steal from the local stores and break ATMs to get the money inside them (lol). It's actually pretty hard work, it definitely is. I doubt that she went as far as to hurt anyone in the process, but I think there must have been quite a lot of cat burglary stories going around. That kind of mischievous activity seems fitting for her. But, it's thanks to her becoming so mischievous* that she was able to shake off her despair and it's thanks to that that she was able to survive the hard times she went through." *lit. "Bad Girl"
She's lost her mind-control abilities circa TDS, so breaking ATMs is probably the only resort.
>They fuck every night
this thread got really fucking funny
>Shinbou: I think of the TV series as complete in and of itself, and that it doesn’t need a continuation. Beginnings and Eternal were necessary to Rebellion, and my personal interpretation is that Rebellion continues from these two movies rather than the TV series.
>Urobuchi: I really agreed that Homura might be plausible as Madoka’s equal opposite.
>Urobuchi: Honestly, I think some will beautify it and some will reject it completely. These days, static characters who don’t change are popular, and if characters ever change even a little bit there’ll be people who’ll call that out-of-character and get angry. In this movie, Homura grows, and she changes. In the end, I’m a little worried as to whether people will accept a character like her. If they’ll think she’s OOC, or that she’s evolved. I’ll be happy if people accept that Madoka Magica is the kind of drama where characters grow and change like this. But that’s up to the viewers to decide.
What I gather from all of the interviews we've seen is that Urobuchi originally thought of Homura's ending like you do, whereas Shinbo, Inu Curry, and some others, such as Chiwa Saito, all thought of Homura's ending as very discontented.
Considering how incongruent the creator's interpretations were, it's obvious that fans would be just as divided, if not more. That's why in the past few months we've seen the creators refer to Rebellion as an interpretation of the events of the series. It's not something that overwrites your opinion of the series's ending, just like reading Magical Girl Next Door doesn't force you to accept that Madoka was raped and tortured to death.
There's no reason to be so mad.
>inb4 150 replies
>I should have used any means to stop you back then
I don't know m8, seems like she could have tried 100x harder.
Homura wanted to protect/save Madoka, and to keep her promise to prevent her from being tricked by QB. It's not a total best end, but Madoka was actually protected from becoming dying and becoming a witch, at least.
All the times Homura stopped Madoka from contracting, explained to her what meguca is like, all helped her formulate the perfect wish, to not be tricked by QB.
Fucking every night confirmed.
Madoka is confirmed for having braids fetish.
>sometimes an act of kindness can bring an even greater sadness
decided to watch the show a second time, all these little things that reference homuras reliving of those days get me right in the goober-gland :(
She regrets the fact that she couldn't do anything to stop it. I mean, maybe theoretically she could have pulled out a knife, amputated her leg, and used her one remaining leg to lunge-tackle Madoka. But realistically speaking, she was done.
somebody want to tell what the difference b/w the movie and the series is? i keep trying to watch the movie and it looks like it's no different than the series. am i just not making it past the beginning or something?
I realize it's a stupid question, just trying to figure this shit out.
Oh look, fucking /sp/ is here.
some scenes are animated differently, a few have different music, and I think theres a slight dialog change(?)
I'd like to see Kevin worm his way out of this one.
Go to the fucking wikipedia page for the Madoka movies and tell me what it says about them in the first paragraph. This isn't fucking rocket science.
The movies is not different than the series Except some scene
Its just fan service
And the 3rd movies is after the series
>[Urobuchi] hinted that the meaning behind [Homura's] wings may be explained in the Madoka Magica movie trilogy.
The post you replied to had an image attached that simplifies the symbolism expressly for the purpose of showing you proof and explaining it for you, and you did nothing to refute its veracity as evidence. Therefore, it's awfully hypocritical of you to accuse anyone else of making unfounded claims. It's also pretty pathetic to samefag and agree with your own posts.
OH LOOK, it's this fucking shit again!
already did, i was trying to figure out where the difference came in, OP came through and answered my question.
at least i pissed you off though, got that going for me.
alrighty thanks for helping me out, going to go watch the 3rd now then.
Good luck to found it
Can we stop being stupid and juvenile for like ten seconds please?
>That's why in the past few months we've seen the creators refer to Rebellion as an interpretation of the events of the series.
I don't follow what you mean. With Rebellion isn't the only valid argument now that Homura was discontent with Madoka's world?
I mean it'd be like reading the Hobbit and just deluding yourself saying "Nope, Bilbo's ring wasn't the One Ring, it was just some minor ring of invisibility" Even though continuing on to LoTR shows that you're completely wrong.
Okay, now what?
No, /sp/ is here, the thread is fucked.
Homura will have to keep evolving if she wants to defeat Madoka.
I honestly didn't think we'd make it that far, we'll play it by ear.
Fuck off and go be worthless somewhere else transfer student!
Say that to my face motherfucker.
>With Rebellion isn't the only valid argument now that Homura was discontent with Madoka's world?
No because you could pull the multiple continuities thing.
Yeah, but we're not going to because that would be inane.
I'll tear ur cunt out m8 I swear un me mum!
Well, I do that. It's not inane either.
B-But Shinbo said Rebellion is not canon!
Except the analogy you're making only works if J.R.R. Tolkien thought nothing of the ring until The Hobbit was published and his editor said that the ring should be the pivotal point of the sequel.
I know what you want to say, anon, but the series wasn't created with a sequel in mind. It doesn't explicitly portray a discontented Homura, which is why no one agreed on that point back in 2011. In fact I was usually shut down when I said that Homura's wings were malign, and with fair reason. It's pretty common for Japanese to portray the antagonist as light (wraiths), and the protagonist as dark (Homu).
You can do it in the safety of your own head where your inanity can't hurt anyone else.
Who would win in a battle-royale?
Madokami's not welcome
>In fact I was usually shut down when I said that Homura's wings were malign
I don't remember this happening. I thought the wings being a sign of her doing something crazy and witch-like was a pretty common theory.
And you can continue to deny a perfectly valid option regarding the canon of Madoka because it hurts your feelings that some people don't take Rebellion as seriously as you do. I couldn't deny you that right even if I wanted to.
WHAT THE FUCK
Mami would tie everyone up and put them in life-like poses around a table and have an enforced tea party.
To the bitter end.
Without time-travelling? Shit would be down to Kyoko and Mami.
Mami is probably the strongest out of all of them.
>What I gather from all of the interviews we've seen is that Urobuchi originally thought of Homura's ending like you do, whereas Shinbo, Inu Curry, and some others, such as Chiwa Saito, all thought of Homura's ending as very discontented.
Whoa, so Gen was actually the optimist here? That Homura's fight was something of a success in becoming strong and fulfilling promises or staying true to her best friend, that Madoka's wish was something amazing and a new truth to guide the world.
Everyone else thought it was a bad end? Then what the hell is Rebellion to them?
>it symbolizes KyouSaya
Better, she ties invisible ribbons on their limbs and uses their corpses as puppets to have moving guests are her tea party.
You're not going to bait me into starting this stupid argument again, sorry.
What the shit?
They don't call him $hinbo for nothing.
From what I've seen a lot of the crew saw Rebellion as a happy ending.
Source? I've only heard of that one producer saying something about it not being so simple, but he considers it a happy end.
This is what happens when your favorite cartoons are made by godless heathens.
How long does Homura's time power last for?
I know it's got that hourglass timer on it, but I've never seen any kind of indication for how long it lasts.
If she is only able to use short-bursts of time-stopping then it's fine because she's essentially teleporting, but extended is really powerful for obvious reasons.
remember that time when madoka drowned in the ocean
I don't have the source unfortunately, it's something I saw quotes from posted before. I'm pretty sure it was Shinbo and at least one other person that thought of it as a happy ending, but saying that it's up to the viewer's interpretation.
>How long does Homura's time power last for?
She has a month worth of time to spend.
But they're all the best girl
Tragedy is kawaii
She has "one month's worth" of sand for her timestop, for whatever that's worth. I believe the bit in episode 11 where she looks at her shield and is like "shit" is where she's supposed to have run out. But she probably can't use it all in one go because of limitations on magic capacity.
Hourglass measures real time, in timestop it is turned on side, so sand doesn't flow.
Yes. His idea of a sequel movie would have ended with Madoka taking Homura up to heaven, but Shinbo convinced him that Homura works as an opposition to Madokami. Also, the script he wrote for the series didn't include Homura's dark wings.
It just goes to show that even the creators themselves saw the series ending totally differently.
Bowmura > everyone
>SealDoka - Coming 2015!
I would watch the fuck out of a Sealdoka short series. And probably die of nutbladder failure.
>tfw you'll never own a Mamifish
Homura would win. The only one who can beat her is Mami, and even then she can only beat her if she set up the necessary prerequisites.
Why would you want one of those? Not kawaii at all.
A MamiTanuki is way better.
christ, fuck off with that shit already, it's seriously one of the pettiest, negligible rationales out there against the film
Did I stutter?
It's just ignoramuses who don't understand that film production is a team effort. The way they see it, Shinbo, the big bad evil director, soiled little old Urobichi's pure ending with his evil desire to make money off his most financially successful series ever.
Do you even know anything about $hinbo, faggot?
Hitomi is the sea weed.
good taste, but what?
Why are you replacing the s in his name with a money sign?
Holy shit you're right.
My interpretation of Homura's ending was parallel to Chiwa Saito's. She said in an old interview how Homura is heartbroken without Madoka, but that she has no choice but to move forward in a world without her, lest she fall to despair. It's really quite a bittersweet interpretation. Is Bowmura fighting for what she wants, or is she just going through the motions of a hollow life?
Look, just remember guys. The series was not created by any one person. The skeleton was made by several executive creative minds, and it took dozens to bring it to life. These people are by no means a hivemind, so why should the fans be? Dissent is productive.
Oh, fuck. All those times I've looked at that damn image I never noticed. Mind blown.
I am magical.
I'm always right.
Fabulous/10, would make contract with
>Dissent is productive.
No, I cant be satisfied until everyone agrees with me. My thoughts and ideas must be universal; I need to be objective. There's not other way my life work out.
the funny thing is that if they had stuck with Urobuchi's original proposal the movie would be 100% complete fanservice
Thanks for the shitpost and proving how autistic madokafags are.
I will not deny being an autist, but I don't think that's why I like madoka.
It's funny when fictional characters grow up and alienate some of the fans, who are incapable of doing the same.
Considering ep. 12 ends pretty solid, I wouldn't have mind a purely fanservice movie.
But wait, if Homura accepted purification then Sayaka and Nagisa would still be dead leaving the world with only Mami and Kyoko right?
Well, many anime fans are stupid and emotionally immature. So there you go.
It's a shame Sayaka never got that chance.
Well she kind of did. After she died. And then came back to life.
That's not an interpretation, Homura despairing in the ending was simply not there.
But I guess if you were to be a pessimist, like somehow they seem to be, you could say Homura wanted to kill herself with the added scene of the desert wasteland.
She seemed to jump into those demons pretty happy, maybe she knew this was where she would meet Madoka again?
I'm sorry, I cannot see that scene as uniformly positive no matter how many times I watch it. Those splotches blotting out the screen do not like benign.
Too bad homura never got to sleep in the same bed as madoka.
I should sleep
Not saying it's totally positive, just saying it may not be Homura simply despairing.
She does in the Vita game.
>Homura despairing in the ending was simply not there
He's not saying it was, he said that she has no choice to move on because she'll despair otherwise.
Do they literally have no shame when they pander this obviously?
How canon is "pandering pentagram" exactly?
Of course not.
Because it prints money.
MONEY MONEY MONEY
>finally seeing a happy homu
Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?
These hundreds of millions of $ aren't going to print themselves.
Kinda playing devils advocate since I don't like the idea that Homura still couldn't move on and basically wanted to die quickly because fuck the world.
>Homura is alone
Having Kyoko and Mami's help probably would have made that fight easier, perhaps she broke contact with the two girls after Sayaka's death?
>Happy to fight wraiths
like you said, she could very well be pushing herself so hard to purposely die quickly. Dying fighting wraiths would be the safest bet to get Madoka to come to her.
>Those grief cubes
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but didn't Homura throw away a big collection of those new grief cubes at the end of her discussion with Kyubey?
Fuck me, it seems Homura didn't change one bit with the creation of a new universe. Madoka is still the center of her life and protecting the world can go fuck itself, she'll take unnecessary risks alone so the wraiths can exhaust her magic quickly.
Completely non-canon, Madoka asks Homura to try and get everyone to work together to defeat Walpurgis or something. It clearly cannot have taken place in any canon timeline.
none at all, from what I recall they change Madoka's promise that she makes from "Don't let Kyubey trick me" to "Try and make friends with all of the girls so we can take down Walpurgis together."
Oh shit, Gothloli Homu is like a parallel to PJ Madoka.
Right. I guess I just like the idea of Homura fighting as Madoka's sword of justice in the material world while she guides from the spiritual world.
It seems Gen had the same intention, while everyone else was more like "life is hollow, she hates the world she's just doing it because she can't do anything else", etc.
Even the official art suggested this. I was thinking that Homura was somehow sharing Madoka's burden since she was pretty much fighting in her place, that's why she can have those crazy witch wings and smile, not despair, still be alive.
Anyway, this interpretation is still alive. They intentionally left how Homura got into the witch position really vague, besides the obvious QB trappings. I'm sure longing for Madoka is part of it, just not the whole story.
>Homora never gets to canonically sleep with her loved one
being the devil sure is suffering
I guess it's cute and all. It just feels a little insincere is all.
Agreed. Why are they making romantic progress in side material when they should be doing it on the big screen?
But what about artistic integrity? Don't they have any interest in putting out a product that's worth more than shameless pandering to the lowest common denominator? What about making something truly good?
You didn't see Rebellion or something? They don't give a shit.
I never said there was anything special about artistic integrity or that doing things for money was bad.
>What about making something truly good?
They already did that, several times.
Anyway, from what I've gathered it's not literally 100% pandering like the screenshots you see make it seem, some of the scenes are actually rather nice looks into the characters.
No, they shouldn't be doing it on the big screen because that would also be in congruent with the theme presented in the series. It can't work between them because for it to work, one of them needs to submit and give up on everything they stand for.
Who is the best kisser
The ending of 12 gave me the impression that Bowmura was a hell of a lot more powerful than she was before.
Because she had the most practice.
>They already did that, several times.
You mean once. Rebellion doesn't hold a candle to the original series.
I did. I'm just complaining some more.
Rebellion was great though.
Whether her target wants it or not.
Sayaka because she's mai waifu.
Homura could cheat on Madoka and she would never know.
Yeah it was pretty good. But unfortunately, it's not the EoE of Madoka I actually (and so foolishly) convinced myself into expecting.
This is going to get annoying quickly.
>"Rebellion wasn't artistic integrity cause muh perfect ending!!"
Homura would know, and add that to the list of reasons she hates herself.
Blue is best.
But that will be subjective. It is unfair to other girls.
>Clara Doll #16 is born, "Infidelity"
It's all too vague, we can't really say much. Everyone thought the wraith fight was in the far distant future in some post apocalypse. Gen just said it was in some far away place that isn't Mitakihara.
Both of those views can be interpreted as Homura leading the endless war against wraiths, continuing her fight.
Madoka even whispers to her, she smiles, jumps into the endless war, spurred by Madoka's words?
I mean, they even gave us an optimistic quote to end on.
Neither of the posts you quoted even imply that that's the reason Rebellion doesn't show artistic integrity.
They should step it up then.
>Rebellion doesn't hold a candle to the original series in my opinion.
Fixed that for you.
>it's not the EoE of Madoka
What the hell do you mean by that? What made EoE so special, and what made you expect something like that in the first place?
No, that's just a fact, anon, Rebellion is shit compared to the series.
Well you know, when you make an opinionated statement, it's kind of redundant to add "in my opinion" to the end of it. Especially considering that it's obviously a fucking opinion you over sensitive twit.
>Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember her, you are not alone.
That would be all well and good if Homura's loneliness was the only factor here, but it's clearly not. The fact that Madoka is fighting forever is the problem.
I liked both. How does this make you feel?
>No, that's just a fact
anyone who says this is a confirmed autist, and you are no different
No, anon tried to correct someone else's viewpoint as if it was objectively wrong. Don't believe me? See >>100224643
Well, EoE is incredible. It's one of the greatest animated films ever. And it was a better ending to the story of Eva than what the original series provided. Perhaps over-optimistically of me, I expected Rebellion to be as good as EoE and provide a better ending than episode 12. It failed on both accounts. I can't really blame them however. My expectations were too high.
>The fact that Madoka is fighting forever is the problem.
No, not really, the "happiness" of Madoka is the problem, although she is already happy as Madokami that is not enough for Homura.
>And it was a better ending to the story of Eva than what the original series provided.
They're the same endings dumbass, EoE was the intended way of showing the end when they actually had a budget again.
> I expected Rebellion to be as good as EoE and provide a better ending than episode 12. It failed on both accounts.
Ah, yeah, that's right. But it was kind of implied that being a goddess was fantastic, at least pre-Rebellion.
I guess you could say Madoka is more of an inhuman force of nature chained to her wish, not necessarily a free goddess that can do anything she wants.
Maybe sacrificing all desire and love for order and law is too much.
But that's because Eva was only 90% of a story.
>it was kind of implied that being a goddess was fantastic
Not really. The drawbacks of Madoka's wish were presented to her, and she basically just said "it's fine". She was willing to make that sacrifice. Saying that it's all happy fun times in yuri valhalla implies that it wasn't a sacrifice at all, which rather undermines the whole thing.
>They're the same endings dumbass,
I guess if you want to be technical, the ending is the same. But it's presented in a totally different point of view.
In not a single element does Rebellion come close to EoE. Except maybe score. Kajiura is amazing. I don't think that the ending of Rebellion is as impactful as the original series ending. It's also very dubious and not as definitive. Despite this, it's consistent with the series at least.
This is my specula, but I think that's what Madoka said as a magical girl in the last timeloop thinking she'd be fine without form. However, her soul gem is still filled with despair in the end.
It's by accepting and conquering her despair that Madoka is able to become the true God of the Law of Cycles and take an ethereal form, much like how all of the other girls in the Law of Cycles accepted their despair as part of them. She goes from being an omnipresent concept to perceiving time and space as a sentient being once again, which is why the events of Rebellion are able to happen.
One could also argue the case that Madokami did become a pure concept, and that Madoka as a human was created by Bowmura.
>In not a single element does Rebellion come close to EoE.
>don't think that the ending of Rebellion is as impactful as the original series ending.
>It's also very dubious and not as definitive.
And now I doubt you watched either movies, good job
>very dubious and not as definitive
Whereas it's clearly explained what happens to all of the characters of NGE after Shinji recreates the world, right?
MEGUCA SEASON 2 WHEN
>>very dubious and not as definitive
That was comparing the Rebellion ending to the Madoka series ending. It had nothing to do with EoE.
Since Rebellion is a continuation of the original series anyways, calling the ending dubious while sucking EoE's cock strikes that some major bias is going on
>Rebellion doesn't come close to EoE in any way!
>I disagree with that statement. Here's one example of the two movies being very similar.
>Oh, I don't want to talk about EoE any more.
>It'll be all right
>I just know it will
>We just have to believe
Is it possible to believe too much?
I was just expecting it to be a conclusive ending like the series. Maybe that's where I was mistaken.
If you want to turn this into EoE vs Rebellion, we can do that. That was never ever my intention, I love both movies and shitflinging with you isn't something I'm very interested in. But if it's what you want, and if you intend to argue that Rebellion is better, you will lose without a doubt.
Madoka makes the best man.
>evafag blowing out madofag
i love it
/a/ isn't your blog, it's anonymous culture. Don't make arguments that hinge on a first-person narrative.
By the way, besides score, Rebellion also trumps EoE by referencing classical literature appropriately as opposed to pretentious Biblical namedropping.
Please, this just proves on how much Evafags just love to felliate the franchise they're attached too, and much more obnoxiously than Madofags.
It makes Madoka's attachment to Homura in the first timelines a little lewd.
>"Keep it a secret from the others in class, ok?"
>Don't make arguments that hinge on a first-person narrative.
I only gave my opinion and answered your questions appropriately.
>Rebellion also trumps EoE by referencing classical literature appropriately as opposed to pretentious Biblical namedropping.
It's actually the opposite of bein pretentious since Anno literally said that he just thought they were cool. He wasn't trying to appear cultured or intelligent. He simply thought they were cool and would make for impressive imagery. That is the opposite of being pretentious. Being pretentious would by what Inu Curry does when they pointlessly reference Faust and other classical stories that have zero relevance to Madoka itself a do not improve it in anyway.
Are you saying he wouldn't accept his feelings for the poor girl?
>I'll agree with myself, but leave out punctuation so that I look like a different poster. Damn, I must be a genius.
>It's actually the opposite of bein pretentious since Anno literally said that he just thought they were cool.
>He wasn't trying to appear cultured or intelligent.
>Being pretentious would by what Inu Curry does when they pointlessly reference Faust and other classical stories that have zero relevance to Madoka itself a do not improve it in anyway.
And now you've gone full retard, congratulations anon
I accept your concession, not that I needed it since I already knew I was right. But thanks anyway. A word of advice though. Next time you make a claim as absurd as saying that Rebellion is anywhere near EoE, please be prepared to defend it.
It's a lot less cute without the lesbianism.
'Forbidden Love' isn't that special.
>Next time you make a claim as absurd as saying that Rebellion is anywhere near EoE
I didn't say that you faggot, I was asking why the hell were you comparing the two films in the first place.
And I explained that in the very first reply I made to you. So why did you push the issue?
>eva fags vs meduka fags
>genderswap tumblr fags
I don't like it.
No you fucking didn't, you were just tonguing on EoE's ballsack, said Rebellion was inferior, and left it at that.
i just want to see more cute megucas
Author intent has limited bearing on the inherent value of a work. Only what intent they communicate through their work matters. Anything else is meaningless. I bring Anno's words up as reference to the fact that people look for culture and intelligence in NGE very often, and it's sad how their efforts bear no fruit because NGE's symbolism is misleading. This is the fucking definition of being pretentious, when something appears deep but is actually empty when you open it up. I say this knowing how much psychologists' works influenced the story, and I love that. But the Biblical imagery is -shit-. Chekhov's Gun should not be displayed on the wall if it doesn't go off, anon.
>Urobuchi credits classical literature as a large influence on his writing
You have no idea what relevance Goethe's 'Faust', Tchaikovsky's 'The Nutcracker', Nietzsche's 'Thus Spoke Zarasthura', and other works of literature have on Rebellion, so why do you pretend to?
Just because you're samefagging doesn't mean your opposition is. Stop speaking in first person like a fucking tripfag. No one cares that your opinion belongs to you. Remove your identity from the discussion.
But that's fucking it. EoE is one of the greatest animated works ever, and I wanted Rebellion to be that good. What the fuck else explanation do you want? Here, my top fucking five. Paprika, Jin Roh, EoE, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, and Kiki's Delivery Service. I loved the Madoka series so much that I wanted Rebellion to be as good as those movies. The reasoning is that simple as I already explained. But I only said EoE because that is the best one.
The whole discussion is about my opinion. If you didn't give a shit about my opinion, there would be no discussion.
I thought Rebellion was better than EoE.
What if people have different opinions about things?
That's okay. No one is trying to challenge your right to your opinion.
So tell me more, what was wrong with it? "The ending was dubious", I already pointed out, is a bullshit reason.
Opinions matter, but the people attached are completely irrelevant unless used a segues into more opinions, such as in >>100226440
Displays of egotism are contradictory to the values of anonymous board culture, e.g. >>100226160
The same egocentric posts pop up every night in Madoka threads. Don't think no one noticed, and definitely don't think anyone needs or wants to notice. Minimize your use of first-person pronouns. Again, they are off-topic unless used to link opinions.
The ending is dubious as opposed to the conclusive ending of the series. The pacing is only substantial. Certain sections like Kyubey's seemingly endless info dump wear a little thin after a while. The animation for the most part was very underwhelming. This is especially disappointing because I'm sure Shaft had such a massive budget behind this. Those are a few.
Uh-uh, I've been found out. Fuck off.
>Favorite Miyazaki film is Kiki's Delivery Service
>No mention of any other Miyazaki films
The Disney version, right? It all makes perfect sense, considering your utter lack of appreciation for thematics and literary culture.
Magical girls can be cute without the nonsensical fanfiction OC makeovers.
Just put on a tripcode so you can get filtered.
Why don't you give out lectures about the betterment of /a/ when these threads are full of shitposting too?
If you're just going to participate in color wars, no one expects much of you and it's considered board culture. Any twelve-year old can fit in there. It's different when underage kids who have yet to appreciate typical elements of classical literature try to devalue coherent and artfully rendered themes, ideas, and symbolism. Visceral excellence is a fantastic thing, but it isn't the sole factor to the quality of a story.
>The ending is dubious as opposed to the conclusive ending of the series
which was intended to be dubious, and like I said, that you made that a negative while fangasming all over EoE is total bullshit
>The pacing is only substantial. Certain sections like Kyubey's seemingly endless info dump wear a little thin after a while.
Again, as opposed to EoE's slathering of rambling, philosophical monologues?
>The animation for the most part was very underwhelming
Compared to what? If you answer EoE, you fail the test.
I want to rape Madoka so bad
Mami pls no
>which was intended to be dubious, and like I said, that you made that a negative while fangasming all over EoE is total bullshit
The ending of EoE is not dubious. It's conclusive.
>Again, as opposed to EoE's slathering of rambling, philosophical monologues?
They manged to be more than information dumps however. They were profound examinations on the character's psyche. Kyubey served as nothing more than a teacher to explain the specific mechanics of the Madoka universe to the viewer in the scene where he's speaking with Homura before she fully witches.
>Compared to what? If you answer EoE, you fail the test.
The animation in EoE is better than the animation in Rebellion. Scenes like the famous battle between Asuka and the mass production Evas were expertly crafted. Rebellion's best moments in terms of animation were things like Homura moving her hands.