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章では、ホコリクリアとして開き、アナウンサーが1人立っがあると言う
サボはこの大会がこの人はここにあり、彼がこれを期待していなかったことをことを今問題があると言っている
彼は今、彼は果物を取得する計画を持っているようだし、彼が外に出て、できるだけ速くルフィを助けたいと言う計画の変更があった、彼に従うためにバルトロメオに指示します
彼は、彼らが果物を盗み、すぐに逃げて、その青キジが原因で計画の変更があまりにも幸せではありませんと言っている

船のナミとサンジに変更し、大きなお母さんが外に来て、ルフィ、サンジが発汗され、逃げるためにクーデター·デ·バーストに用意され見ることが求められます。サンジは彼に二つの論文を与え、どれを知らない彼に喜びカードとナミを与えるナミに指示します
そのうちの一つは、大きなお母さんの方を向いている

ルフィとゾロの宮殿、紫虎通知に行き、ドフラミンゴに指示され、ドフラミンゴが行くと、彼らは話をしながら、それの世話をするためにスペードを伝えます
紫虎が赤犬と電話であり、赤犬は、彼が数時間で黄色の猿の島に到着するだろうと言って、彼は長老つ星で物事を解決して、彼はそこでいったん紫虎に記入して、彼は絶対的な正義は述べています今日勝つ

posting a translation in a sec
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>>100204979
chapter opens up with the dust clearing, the announcer says there is one man standing
sabo says this tournament will be problematic now that this person is here and that he didn't expect this

he tells bartolomeo to follow him, there is a change of plans now, he seems to have a plan to get the fruit and says he wants to get out and help luffy as fast as possible
he says they will steal the fruit and run away quickly and that aokiji won't be too happy because of the change of plans

change to nami and sanji on the ship, big mom comes outside and asks to see luffy, sanji is sweating and is prepared to coup de burst to run away. Sanji tells nami to give him the vivre card and nami gives him two papers and doesn't know which one
one of them is pointing towards big mom

Luffy and zoro are going to the palace, purple tiger notices and tells doflamingo, doflamingo tells spades to go and take care of it while they talk
purple tiger is on the phone with akainu, akainu says that he'll be arriving on the island with yellow monkey in a few hours, he settled things with the elder stars and will fill in purple tiger once he is there, he says absolute justice will win today


source was 2ch, internets crapping out on me, enjoy
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>>100204979
>Sanji beaten to bloody pulp by Pekoms and Tamago
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Damn, I need to catch up. good thing I'm about to reach Punk Hazard soon after Fishman.
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>>100205025
2ch always posts fake spoilers
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>>100205025
>akainu says that he'll be arriving on the island with yellow monkey in a few hours
There's no way they'd send two admirals AND the fleet admiral. These are at least more believable than the others, though.
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Who do you think you're kidding with these fake spoiler? Nothing is up on ishshui's site or ap.
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>starting thread with fake spoilers
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>>100205025
Seems promising if they're true. I just want to see this motherfucker post-timeskip.

>>100205135
Maybe they have nothing better to do.
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>>100204969
She's his grandma
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>>100205025
>implying big mom and kaido have both appeared and will fight in this arc
>we won't be seeing those two fight until the war for Poseidon Arc
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>>100205025

>one of them is pointing towards big mom

I fucking knew it.
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>>100205025
If these are fake spoilers, they're a good fake. Nothing sounds unbelievable there, but that could just be because Dresrosa just keeps getting more and more ridiculous with almost every chapter. I'd probably believe it if you told me Enel shows up with his moon army.
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>>100205180
>>100205100
seems very plausible to me
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>>100203620
1/2
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>>100205372

No, they don't seem plausible at all.
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>>100205448
I bet you thought law getting shot or sabo being alive were fake too
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>>100205407
2/2
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>>100205367
>Nothing sounds unbelievable

>Aokiji part of revolutinaires
>Sabo wanting the fruit despite there being bigger problems to worry about
>Big Mam and Sabo being shown in same chapter
>vivre card immeadiately revealed
>generic send minion instead of going yourself villain plot, with predictable Spades vs Zoro


The admirals going to where Yonkou are makes sense tho
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>>100205135
>There's no way they'd send two admirals AND the fleet admiral. These are at least more believable than the others, though.
They would if Meadows ends up being Kaidou and Big Mom is about to show up at Dressrosa
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>>100205495

No, I didn't. Everyone knew Sabo was alive and that Law would lose.

Again, if the spoilers aren't on ishhui's site or ap, they're not to believed. Stop being a newfag.
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>>100205495
Not him but no one did because the former was posted by the guy who's been our dedicated spoiler provider for years and spoilers were never even released for the latter.
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>>100205553
One of the few scenes that was much better in the anime. Dat fucking Dvorak, man...
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one of those tiny dwarves would easily destroy san juan wolf
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>>100205560

There are no yonkou on Dressrosa.
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>>100205025
why the fuck would sabo say that aokiji would be mad about the change of plans, that would mean aokiji joined the revolution
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>>100205606
I cry every time at this scene.
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>>100205674
There is at least one in the area that we know of.
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>>100205681
why the fuck would jesus talk to blackbeard about aokiji?
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>>100205025
>nami gives him two papers and doesn't know which one, one of them is pointing towards big mom.

Never thought about it happening this way. Hope these spoilers are true, mfw Big Mom + strawhats vs Marines, Doffy, and Kaido in all war.
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>>100205655

Why do people still call them dwarves when they look nothing like dwarves we've seen in other media?
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>>100205025
>vire card
Lola's mother is big mom confirmed

I bet sanji wasn't sweating, but rather shocked to see big mom is fat - probably some sort of comedic moment
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>>100205747
[citation needed]
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>>100205735

We don't know if big mom is on the ship, and the world goverment doesn't know they are there.
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>>100205755
Dwarfs are little people.
Stop watching Lord of the Rings.
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>>100205735
We don't know if it's Big Mom herself though. It wouldn't be out of place for her to have division heads like WB.

Does Shanks have a fleet? Or are they an elite vagabound corp?
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>>100205747
because aokiji is a bad bitch and is meeting with all the strong underworld pirates
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>>100205752
>mfw Doffy sacrifices himself to help straw hats escape Big Mom and the Marines
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>>100205755
Common western usage (Lord of the Rings, etc) isn't very common in the east. Dwarves pretty much are just meant to be very small people, they don't have to have beards (neither do their axes) and they don't have to be obsessed with gold because that's what Nami is for.
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>>100205755
Would you prefer gnomes?
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>people defending some unverified spoilers on 2ch when we know chinks let out spoiler first
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>>100205812
>the world government doesn't know they are there
How do you know? Did you ask them?
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>tfw this chapter
>tfw new OP next week as well
fucking nice
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Next crew mate is a dwarf who eats a fruit.
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>>100205560
>Aokiji part of revolutinaires
He quit the Marines being fed up with the corruption and warned Smoker after scaring away a Shichibukai

>Sabo wanting the fruit despite there being bigger problems to worry about
This makes sense. Luffy only left the stadium because he trusted Sabo to get the fruit. Both of them are still more concerned with Ace's honor than anything else.

>Big Mam and Sabo being shown in same chapter
Dressrosa has been getting more and more ridiculous all the time. And technically they were both shown already; this would just be a confirmation

>vivre card immeadiately revealed
Why wouldn't it be? We've had a few chapters to worry about what she's going to do to them. Now seems like the right time to say "oh actually we're going to be friend!"

>generic send minion instead of going yourself villain plot, with predictable Spades vs Zoro
What is every shounen ever? The big bad always sends minions one at a time to do the work for him.

>The admirals going to where Yonkou are makes sense tho
Really?
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>>100205553
Nothing comes close
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Post your face when Yellow Monkey is Kizaru.
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This fucking arc is aiming for the damn stars.
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>>100206012
Its Doffys arc. It was obvious that it will be the best the series has ever seen and will ever see.
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>>100205916

And why d you assume that they do know? Stop with the bullshit. There's no reason why the marines should know exactly where some very successful pirates just happen to be at a given time
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>>100206012
It's like the Baroque Works saga 2.0. The equivalent to the Drum Island arc (Punk Hazard) wasn't as good, but everything happening on Dressrosa is making up for it.
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>>100206012
considering how low the FMI arc was, it needs to be.

I hope next adventure is bit more "fun" Too much world politics lately.
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>>100205991
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>>100206062
Doflamingo told them.
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>>100206012

No, it's still far below pre-Time Skip quality.
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If this shit isn't fucking translated and released tomorrow I'm going to fucking lose it
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>>100205560
makes perfect sense faggot
>>Aokiji part of revolutinaires
and you think he doesn't have a link with the revolutionaries?
>>Sabo wanting the fruit despite there being bigger problems to worry about
did you even read the spoiler? Sabo implies that someone has appeared, probably kaidou, that will make things complicated so instead he's going to go steal the fruit - what did ace, sabo and luffy do a lot as kids? stealing
>>Big Mam and Sabo being shown in same chapter
we've already seen big mom, and the sabo bit is probably silhouetted
>>vivre card immeadiately revealed
and? Perfect time to bust it out in my opinion, just take a look at who's on the island, a neutrality or alliance with big mom would be in their favor
>>generic send minion instead of going yourself villain plot, with predictable Spades vs Zoro
sounds like something doflamingo would do

>the admirals going to dressrosa
this is actually the part that doesn't make sense to me, but the absolute justice winning line makes it make a little more sense
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>>100206108
>Too much world politics lately
Go fuck yourself Anon.

We need more information about the government and the political systems in general. Its the best part about the series, the world building.
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>>100206183
People are just praising it because Punk Hazard was meh and Fishman Island was fucking shit and so Dressrosa is seen as amazing despite being mediocre.
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>>100206012
of clusterfuckery sure
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>>100206209
Tomorrow is only Tuesday anon, spoilers come out then. The chapter itself comes Wednesday morning and always has been.
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>>100205991
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>>100205566
>all of this would guarantee the destruction of Dressrosa

I don't think Oda is really aiming to obliterate Dressrosa. It would would be sad to see the dwarves and toy soldiers watch in horror as the island they just risked their lives for get leveled by a couple of Yonkos and admirals

I think only Kaido OR Big Mom will be showing up. It'll be more likely be Big Mom after Sanji gets wrecked and tells her how Dressrosa is the backbone to Kaido's operation. After that we'll have the War for Poseidon arc as Kaido tries to get revenge on Big Mom by taking Poseidon and using it on her
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>>100206140

Hey, jackass.

How does Doflamingo know that Big Mom or her crew are off somewhere when he's been preoccupied with everything that'a going on with Dressrosa.
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>>100206229

>and then there's this asshole
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>>100206286
Jump chapters always come out early after a break
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>>100206310
>preoccupied
He invited her, everything going on in Dressrosa is all according to keikaku.
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>>100206302
WAIT IS THIS FOR REAL
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>new opening next in the anime with more of muh Law
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Anyone thinking that OP is bit too fast lately?

right now we have
Rebecca making it out of the Colosseum
Fate of the toy people
Riku kingdom's past
Big Mom
Kaidou threat
Rescue Law
Deal with marines
Bellamy's future
Revolutionaries in the mix
All at the same time.

Even Alabaster arc wasn't this much of a dogpile of subplots.
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>>100206326
Hmm, I forgot about that. Considering that it's only Monday night and we have spoilers already, we might just get the chapter tomorrow.
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>>100206396
Are you retarded?
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>>100206407
Oda did say the new world will progress really quickly
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>>100206222
>Its the best part about the series

Wrong, best part is magic pirate adventure.
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>Discussing fake spoilers
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>>100206407

Don't worry, anon. Oda has proven well enough that he's a master of bringing all the little details together. It will be fine. It's about time he's gotten the chance to go all out with an arc.
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>>100206446
Maybe. I didn't read OP when that chapter came out so I didn't realize that it was Kizaru's first appearance in the manga.
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>>100206443
>we have spoilers already
But they're fake. Go check AP or Redon.
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>>100206377

Was losing Caesar part of his plan? Was Luffy escaping the coliseum a part of his plan?


Shut the fuck up.
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>>100206498
you know there have been times where shitpissforums didn't have the spoilers while we did, right?
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>>100204979
when you thought aikanu could not get any more gar, he goes and grows a beard
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>this entire thread
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>>100206500
It was, you are just an ignorant plebeian and can't fathom what Doflamingo has planned.
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>>100205025
>kizaru and akainu coming to dressrosa
it's fucking happening
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>>100206514

Very fucking rarely, nigger. We don't have pictures or any sort of verification so these spoilers are shit.
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>>100206514
You know that they almost always have spoilers first, right? Not even that chinese guy has released spoilers yet.
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>>100206407
This is the final arc. It will be a few hundred chapters but once this war starts, it won't stop until the world government is destroyed. First it'll be Doflamingo vs. Strawhats then Big Mom comes in only to get repelled by Kaidou then Shanks tries to break up the fight and Blackbeard kills him so he and Luffy get into a fight and seeing as how so many high value targets are going at it the marines will arrive only to be greeted by the revolutionaries. Then both sides have allies coming in and the entire battle ends with all important power figures dying except for Luffy, making him pirate king.
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>>100205872
>Common western usage
>Dwarves pretty much are just meant to be very small people

Lol, what a bullshitter. Traditional dwarfs are exclusive to Germanic and Scandinavian mythology.

Dwarves is just the word translators decided to use before the Tontatta's appearance was revealed. Pixie, brownie, elf, fairy or little person would have worked better, but nobody knew what they were at first.
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>>100206222
We had no reason to know about founding or secondary noble families. Just celestial dragons are being dicks and claiming territory alone would've sufficed for Doffy taking over Rikku

World building should only be there for the scope of the actions that are being undertaken.
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>>100206588
nope, apforums always has spoilers later relative to when 2ch gets them
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>>100206619
Dwarf was first used all the way back at Saboady where their prices were listed at the Human Auction House.
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>>100205872
The word you are looking for it "midget" or "mutant" or "evolutionary failure".
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>>100206627

And the chinks always get them before 2ch.

Besides, the spoiler in this thread is from an unverified nobody who hasn't shown any proof.
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>>100206627
That doesn't make these any more credible. These could have been posted by fucking anybody, just like all of the fake spoilers we get the day before/the day of spoilers.
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>>100206615
Elbaf when?
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>>100206692
I meant in One Piece. Giants and Dwarves are different species in One Piece, not just really big or really small humans. You sound like a mad manlet though.
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>>100206619
The word for dwarf in japanese describe "short person" Only English makes the distinction between pixie, dwarf, gnome, halfling, etc dnd monster manual entries.
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>>100206739
>Elbaf is the land of the giants
Is the land of the dwarves called Elbarap?
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So if the spoilers are true, then not only is Sanji going to job, he's going to job to the baron himself. (Or Pekoms)

Seeing as the SH are trapped on an island with dozens of powerful enemies closing in, how do you think they will escape once Doffy is down? I'd like to see all the Colosseum members (Don Chinjao, Bart, the boxer, Hack, etc.) team up to stall Big Mam and possibly the navy. I think it would give them once last chance to shine while being a cool scene nonetheless.
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I searched Mangabird and I can't find these shitty translations. I love them so much but I can't find them anywhere. Is there somewhere that saves them all?
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>>100206615
You mean final saga?
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>>100206727
>nofunallowed.jpg
just go back to your autist piss forums
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>>100206844
Maybe you should try flying a kite

kid
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>>100206740
I'm 6'3.

You said "western usage", keep projecting, shorty.
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>>100206476
I liked when dropped breadcrumbs to follow, now he's just opened a mobile bakery and just throwing them out there.
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>>100206862
fufufu
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>>100206848
Yeah, that sounds better. Bleach has been on it's last 'arc' for about two years now.
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>>100206928
>Yeah, that sounds better. Bleach has been on it's last 'arc' for about two years now.
Naruto has been on it's final arc for almost four years now.
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Why are there almost no good OP doujins? You'd think a series so old would have at least a handful of fappable pieces.
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>>100206902
Speaking of food, did anyone else get really fucking hungry when seeing Hatchan's takoyaki stall? I want some of that shit.
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>>100206641
Translators choice (and eventual fuck-up). It doesn't actually say "dwarf" in Nip.
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>>100206964
nuh uh it cant have been that long
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>>100206964
Naruto Arcs have always been long though. It's almost over too, most likely ending this year. Bleach is expected to continue for at least another two, and Bleach arcs have usually only been one year long each instead of having fewer, longer ones.
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>>100206968
OP's art makes it really annoying. It's either not OP or just weird seeing them be x rated.
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>>100206973
>cannibalism
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>>100207117
Yeah most doujins are just vivi fucking herself
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>>100206973
Any post victory party food scenes actually.

Even Luffy's disgusting eating habits can't make them unappetizing.
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>people think discussing obviously fake spoilers is fun
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>>100206968
http://g.e-hentai.org/s/d65c1b11e3/367084-2

http://g.e-hentai.org/g/263015/2c46637b45/?p=1
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>>100207032
Look it up
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>>100207154
Yeah what the fuck? I never understood that. Fishmanisland has no qualms about eating other fish. It's like if there were still neanderthals and we were eating them like desert. Shit's fucked up yo.
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>>100206968
Not really Doujin's I don't think, but I like the NEL ZEL formula stuff, and Orange Pie isn't bad either imo

There's decent art, but you're right, for a series where every woman has a grade A body, there are really no doujins

>>100207117
Never thought of it like that, you may be right
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>yfw teach is the survivor and wants the fruit for himself
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>>100206968
Either you've got some fetishes that make /d/ blush or erectile dysfunction
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>>100207267
Nelzel is great.
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>>100207255
Remember that their culture lies underwater. What are they gonna eat? Crustaceans and... whales? Just those 2 things?
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>>100207271
>yfw teach returns and has the devil fruits of every villian luffy has fought to date
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>>100207346
Seaweed. They could be vegetarians.
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>>100207346
Octopi aren't even fish.
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>>100207377
Otohime was probably a vegetarian.
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>>100207346
>>100207386
actually... why haven't we seen any crab people?
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>>100207377
fish eat other fish
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>>100207346
They supply Big Mom, which makes even less sense. Where does all the sugar come from?
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>>100206615
I doubt itll be a giant snowballing arc all the way to the end. That would just be a story telling nightmare. Oda is good but he needs that reset button.
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>>100207441
Try to think of a Crab merman. That's why.

A crab fishman is actually plausible, maybe Oda just wanted to use fish types for mer+fishman that nobody has ever fucking heard of to be 2obscure4u. Seriously, what the fuck was Hammond supposed to be?
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>people actually discussing these fake spoilers
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>>100207565
>Sabo is dead guys, the databook says so!
Don't insult a man's romance
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>>100207565
>if I post it multiple times I will get replies
You were right.
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>>100207346
Merfolk don't eat fish.

Fishmen like Hachi are just psychopaths.
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>>100207540
>pistol shrimp merman with fishman karate.
>Makes fucking boiling punch through the water.
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>>100207627
>>100207441
I think 'lesser' aquatic animals like shellfish and crabs aren't important enough to become fish/mermen.
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Will the ice dude join the black beard pirates?
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>>100207540
Maybe it's because I'm a documentary fag, but none of the mermen were obscure creatures to me. I mean, most people know what a hammerhead shark is right?
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>>100207669
Holy fuck, why didn't I ever think of a Pistol Shrimp fishman before? I hope he's the Fishman Karate dojo master, able to easily defeat even Jinbe or something.
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>Akainu kills unarmed civilians cleared for release
>Kills marines
>Ignores his superiors
Oh no it's all because of his "total justice" right? Just like Hody's total pride.
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>>100207737
I knew of pretty much every mer/fishman subspecies except for whatever the fuck Hammond was. I don't even remember it from when I looked it up because it was that weird.
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Oh shit nigga I just realised that no one in Teach's crew has a devil fruit other than Blackbeard. Well they're obviously getting Ace's , wonder who though..
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>>100207791
What are you gonna do? Arrest him?
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>>100207791
>Akainu
>superiors
Hehehehehe
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>>100207695
Considering that merfolk like Keimi will eat clam and scallops but won't eat meat or fish, I mean.
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>>100207791
call the cops no one gives a fuck akainu did nothing wrong
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>>100207599
>Aokiji is suddenly a revolutionary
>Akinu( the fleet admiral, mind you), and kizaru are personally coming to dressrosa when there's already an admiral and a shichibukai there
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>>100207889
>Kong
>the Gorosei
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>>100207846
Dude. What do you think Blackbeard has been doing for these past 2 years. His crew is only getting the cream of the crop.
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>>100207846

Before the timeskip yes. Afterwards Jimbei said they were hunting down fruit users and stealing their powers so a few of them probably have some by now.
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>>100207831
He's far less obscure if you are an Asian.
It's actually quite commonly eaten and really good.

I must admit I was like "What the fuck kind of name is daggertooth pike conger?" until I googled the fish.
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>>100207957
Such as? I can see ancient zoan fruits but that's about it really. Fire would suit the crew sooooo well.
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>>100207846
Since the timeskip they've been hunting powerful DF users to steal their powers. I think it's safe to say that at least a few of them have DF powers now.
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>>100207951
Higher rank =! superior
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>>100208014
Jesus will get the Fire Fire fruit and start a rivalry with Bart.
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>>100208041
That is exactly what it means...
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>>100208041
uh... in an organization, that's what it exactly means.
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>>100208041
Maybe not to Sakazuki "MUH JUSTICE" D. Faggot, but literally every other definition of the term 'superior' contradicts you.
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>>100207957
>>100208031
>>100207990
>>100207846

>people forgetting Lafitte human human fruit model angel
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>>100207990
>>100208031
Oops kinda assumed that Teach was going to end up with like 5 fruits instead of sharing them out.
>>100208065
This seems plausible but like , what power could they possible give to the giant dude?
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>>100208113
>human
>angel

That's like saying human human no mi model mermaid.
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>>100208113
Ah, that's right. I doubt he has that particular fruit but he does have wings and can fly. Wasn't there speculation that he's a Skypiean despite none of the other Skypieans ever shown to have used their wings for flight?
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>>100208087
>>100208091
>>100208094
su·pe·ri·or
adjective \su̇-ˈpir-ē-ər\
: of high quality : high or higher in quality
: great or greater in amount, number, or degree
: better than other people

That "other meaning" was made up by kikes who want people that work for them to think they are worth less, just because of their job position.
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>>100207990
>>100207957
>SH goes to pick up Violet who is joining the crew
>they get to the meet up point
>she's bloodied and upon closer inspection, dead
>yfw Van Augur has Violet's fruit

Any other good matches? I'd like to think of SuanJuan Wolf with Absalom's fruit
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>>100208156
>This seems plausible but like , what power could they possible give to the giant dude?
Water logia
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>>100208201
Yeah, and the Marines have been corrupted by the World Government. It doesn't matter who the fuck you are, Garp still has to take orders from the guy who killed his grandson.
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>>100208195
Bird zoan
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>>100208269
He quit, so he doesn't.
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>>100208201
>Looks up adj when we are talking about nouns
You are a special kind of stupid aren't you?
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>>100208195

I don't buy the Skypeian thing. Mostly because he was supposed to have been a police officer from west blue who got exiled for brutality.
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>>100208065
I don't think Xusasu Basasu is the type to want a fruit for more power. In his first appearance in Jaya, he was pretty much going around getting into fights and then declaring if the losing party even lifted. Like Franky, he'd rather rely on himself rather than a DF for strength.
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>>100208113
>>100208278
This. Dove maybe for irony's sake?
>peaceful
>nod to Noah's ark which would make sense as he's the navigator
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>>100208201
Are you going to argue this with every organization in the world? You're a special kind of retard.
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>>100206462
Oda also said your mum was a dirty old slut but shes a nice lady
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>>100208300
Superior isn't a noun.

You are clinically retarded.
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>>100208300
I've seen that image like a billion times but I still don't have any idea what it's from
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>>100208349
Ah, that'd make sense. Have we even seen any Bird zoans yet?

>>100208378
Superior = someone who is of a higher rank or greater importance than you. You're an idiot.
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>>100208319
>Blackbeard takes Luffy's fruit
>Gives it to Burgess
>Makes them fight
Luffy wins
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>>100208355
Good goy, bow before your superiors.
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>>100208378
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/superior_3
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>>100208423
I genuinely feel bad for you, I hope you have a happy life despite your mental disability.
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>>100208413
it might be from Freezing or any of that artit's work. I think the art looks pretty similar.
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>>100208426
I wonder if Blackbeard can actually extract a DF from a living person. Whitebeard would've obviously been harder to restrain to get his fruit but someone who is easily susceptible to hypnosis like Luffy would be easy to capture.
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>>100208434
>The boss and founder of the company and people he appoints below him are equal to the unskilled workers they employ

Just one example. You're a retard.
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>>100208423

Pell and there's a dog from the cgi movie that ate an eagle fruit and steal's Luffy's hat.I've always wanted to see a crow zoan fruit that gave the user to ability to disperse like into a giant flock of crows. That or an eart/tree logia
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>>100208423
Wait, I just remembered about Pell. Well, he's supposed to be dead and it's not like he'll return in the story any time.
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>>100208583
Isn't it past your bed time? Your handler might beat you if you are caught on the internet as this hour.
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>>100208423
>Forgetting Pell

You'd remember him if he died.

Marco as well
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>>100207255
>>100207154
Humans eat other mammals. That doesn't make us cannibals.
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>>100208529
The post above you proves you wrong,
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>>100208593
I'm still waiting for a Bear logia. Or just a Bear zoan. Come the fuck on, Oda, give it to Kaidou.
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>>100208643
Quality rebuttal.

I'll bet you're a socialist, or better yet, and anarchist too.
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>>100208663
Keep telling yourself that, champ.
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>>100208706
>bear logia

u wot
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>>100208726
I am a socialist, you're a perceptive one.
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>>100208733
>>100208643
I think this is the same 15 year-old who has the luxury to say 'FUCK THE SYSTEM!' while they still have no responsibilities.
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>>100208573

I'm thinking the extraction is definitely from his DF. There was some reason Teach wanted it so bad. It can nullify other DF users but so can bushosoku haki, it's possible Teach is just incapable of haki so he needed it to cover that weakness. Yami Yami fruit seems to have a lot of downsides like not being able to disperse like other logias. We certainly haven't seen all it can do yet.
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>>100208733
The definition is literally there for you to read.

How can someone be so willfully ignorant?
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>>100208767
Dear fucking LORD... OP as shit
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>>100208641
>not like he'll return in the story any time.

Alabaster has Pluton
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>>100208838
Dude, just report him for trollplay.
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>>100208838
That "definition" is wrong, it isn't a noun, I'm honestly starting to believe you have a few extra chromosomes.
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>>100208829
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
>Black cloak
>Crew protecting him because he was using his powers thus more susceptible to damage
>Claims his fruit is the power of the devil
It fits. More delicious end game blackbeard pirate theories please!
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>>100208706
>>100208767
>>100208846

Bear is now an element and I'm okay with this.
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>>100208925
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/blog.php?action=ViewBlogArticle&ba_id=33

:^)
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>>100208925
I'm laughing for real right now. You get proven wrong multiple times and the only thing you can do is deny it and then accuse me of projection? Get back to /r9k/ you paranoid fuckwit and stop with your horrible damage control attempt.
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>>100205991
doesnt kizaru literally mean yellow monkey?
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>>100205135
>There's no way they'd send two admirals AND the fleet admiral. These are at least more believable than the others, though.

An Emperor has been spotted on the island full of people, of course they're going to send everything they have down there and try to end it in one fell swoop.

Don Flamingo is a Tenryuubito so he can call upon extra aid like this, but even then the situation is dire enough from their end to warrant it, and Akainu is 300% justice so he'll crush it all with overwhelming might here.
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>>100208972
>Honey Logia
>Bee Logia
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>>100209216
yup. I don't get it either.
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>>100209216
Yes. Akainu = red dog and Aokiji = blue pheasant. The three of them all correspond to some japanese folk legend I think. There's also Fujitora (purple tiger), and Ryokugyu (green bull) as the new admirals.
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>>100207906
Aokiji's let the strawhats go multiple times when he could have caught them easily. He's been less trouble to them than Kuma, who we know was a revolutionary.

Akainu has a hate boner for luffy and we've barely seen how policy's changed since he took over. He might be much more proactive about hunting pirates, and kizaru can apparently move at literally the speed of light, so I doubt it's that much trouble for him.

That said, I always assume spoilers are fake, but that doesn't mean picking them apart can't be fun.
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>>100209365
Why the fuck did Kizaru need to take a ship to Saboady instead of just basically teleporting there?
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>>100209431
To be with all the other marines that can't teleport? He doesn't need to do anything; he's Kizaru. He chooses to do things properly to keep up appearances.
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>>100209431
He said it to Rayleigh; He thought that the trip to Sabaody was just a relaxing little trip to crush some newbies who couldn't even touch him. He probably took a nap on the way there.
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>>100209365
It's not something Kizaru can just do. Plus he can probably only move at light speed to things he can see.

If he just rode on any beam of light, he'd end up in space hurtling toward the sun
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>>100209431
Because he still needs soldiers to secure and process things. Also Kizaru is pretty lazy too. He doesn't have the gusto to solo things.
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>>100209523
>>100209521
>>100209508
How would Marineford have gone if Kizaru was Akainu level serious
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>>100209523

>implying kizaru doesn't take naps on the sun
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>>100209605
How different would Sabody be if Akainu showed up?
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>>100209605
He would have kicked Whitebeard. Whitebeard would get pissed, and Kizaru would get quaked
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>>100209605

*Luffy is running toward the execution platform with the key Hancock gave him*

"Ohhhhh Mugiwaraaaaaa......"

*Fires laser into Luffy's head instead of at the key*

*Manga over*
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>>100209730
How would Thriller Bark have been if the WG sent Doflamingo instead of Kuma?
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>>100209605
He would've blown Luffy's brain out instead of deliberately aiming for the key to fuck with him and the manga would be over.
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>>100209679
He's just light. the heat would kill him instantly.
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>>100209818
pretty sure light still exists just fine at 5505C.
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Anyone else feel like Issho's devil fruit kinda ruins Teach's one a bit? Really unclear on it's power now as I thought it was gravity + black hole-esque shit.
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>>100209968
Pretty sure Kizaru isn't "just" light.
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He just wanted a better life for his grandsons.... ;_;
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>>100209818
pretty sure the sun's gasses would light him on fire instantly.
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>>100210053
It could be an alteration thing. Ace and Akainu both had heat based powers. Blackbeard is specifically "darkness" with localized strong gravity that sucks up properties and light. I think blackbeard bends space without needing matter while Fujitora affects the gravitational pull between two matter
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>>100210121
Yeah, I kinda felt bad for Garp, then again, I'm not sure if he's the best parental figure considering that all 3 of his youngins went opposite his route.
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>>100210121
God damn I feel bad for Garp. Not only does he know that his title is actually a sham because Roger willingly gave himself up but also he's an absolute failure as a father figure.
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>>100210056
We don't really have much in the way of examples here though. If a logia can turn into literally 100% of whatever their element is, then who knows. Then there's weird shit like "lava beats fire", or crocodile having a giant weakness to liquids.

Not to mention that kizaru has what should be the single most broken ability in OP, but doesn't really use it very well, either cause he's lazy, or it has limits we don't know yet.
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>>100210231
>>100210053

When Fuji makes his ship fly is a good example of his power. It's both push and pull whereas I think Teach is just all pull except for his liberation technique
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>>100210121
I'm wondering what made Garp become a marine in the first place. He seems to have had the same childhood as Luffy, and has a carefree spirit, yet he joined with the marines of all things.
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>>100210053
Not at all. Issho can make objects heavier or lighter by changing the gravity. Blackbeard sucks things in.

If anything it ruins Shiki's but that's only semi-canon.
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>>100210394
Like Luffy, he has things he want to protect. Garp went the legal route.

at least that's my theory
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>>100210464
Luffy looks pretty damn good in a tie.
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>>100210466
>>100210326
>>100210231
I guess that ties in with the whole stealing powers thing Teach can do with his fruit but I dunno. Time will tell if Teach's fruit is really as good as everyone was expecting it to be as it seems rather lacklustre atm. Especially for a main antagonist's devil fruit.
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>>100210053
Blackbeard's danger isn't "gravity" but rather "drain" and "Blackhole"; it's a different sort of feeling entirely.

There can be two fruits that fly, but they do it differently.
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>>100208663

Don't take the bait. This is your only warning.
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>>100210550

Was looking for that pic thanks.
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>>100210326
>>100210231

It could be that Blackbeard's is actually space. As in a vacuum logia. Activating it sucks things into him. That would make liberate just him releasing the power and dumping out whatever was in him.

Once you throw in how haki and other logias interact it might explain why he can't really dissipate the way any of the other logias can since he's literally a hole in the world
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>>100210569
Teach really didn't know how to use it well. He fell into the trap that a lot of fruit users get into of relying on it too much. He's also a bad fit for . He didn't display any speed so his inability to let things past him is a serious down factor.
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I hope Magellan reappears in the manga at some point. He really should have joined the marines to recapture the level 6 escapees. He and Kaku are my favorite villains because the weren't actually bad guys. They were just dudes doing their job.
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>>100210825
hell yeah that guy is the shit
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>>100210779
He already has a naturally stupid high ability to soak damage and resistance to pain, though, so it's still hard to incapacitate him. He's probably as durable as Whitebeard even with the fruit making him feel pain more. It works well with his 'take a hit, leave a hit' style of fighting.
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>>100210320
The only person who could survive that kind of heat would be someone who could turn into plasma.

As for Crocodile and Ace, both could stand just about any arid hot climate, but only Ace could stand actual fire.
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>>100210825
Well Luffy is completely immune to every poison now so it wouldnt be too interesting
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>>100210825
I dunno, Kaku's a pretty bad dude. He's a brutal spie that beats informations out of people. Lucci gets off on it, but it's not like Kaku hates his job either.

Magellan was the only, legit good villain guy.
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Will Blackbeard's logia fruit ever get more than 3 abilities?
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>>100210825

He probably will just not for a while. I think he was meant to be ridiculously overpowered to better emphasize that he's supposed to be this incredibly menacing prison Warden. The escape wouldn't have been as desperate or interesting if Croc/Jimbei/Luffy/Ivankov just beat him up and calmly took over the jail.
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>>100210971
It's already dangerous enough, plus his already op quake ability
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>>100210741
>void based powers
>yfw Teach summons a black hole and swallows up an island
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>>100211046
>Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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My prediction for the arc: Luffy is going to command the Seakings during a fight with the Revolutionary army against the Navy/Doflamingo when things are looking bad, they will win and liberate Dressrosa. The WG will then proceed to attack Fishman Island. Luffy will get at least an 800 million bounty.
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>>100210923

I think Croc should be able to too. If he's entirely sand then he's already totally dry and shouldn't be able to be burned. Wait.... doesn't sand turn into glass when heated enough?
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>>100210895
Yeah, but that shit isn't healthy or even a good strategy. Take a hit strategy only really works if taking the hit leaves you with a powerful advantage.

Him grabbing WB? halberd to the shoulder
Him taking in Ace's attacks? OW ow ow ow
Him taking on Magellan's poison? Thank god for Shiryu.

until proven in next fight scene, he's a poor match for the fruit.
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>>100211023
>Blackbeard and crew beat him so hard they broke a horn and fucked up a wing
Poor Magellan. At least he might have gotten to give Sadi-chan the D.
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>>100211249
You're forgetting that he survived all that shit and won all those fights.
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>>100211232
Has there ever been a pirate stated to have a 1 billion bounty?

What were/are gold roger and dragon's bounties?
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Remember when Fruits were about bodily modifications and they all turned you into a "something"-man, like rubber, fire or smoke?

Nowadays you have barriers and gravity and quakes, totally distorted.
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>>100211239
Yes
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>>100211389
We don't know.
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>>100211304

The wing is part of the uniform and his horns can be taken off and used as weapons so I've never understood his injuries. I wonder how they did it too since when they underestimated him they almost died. I can imaagine Teach using a hole to suck in the poison but then it would just go to him. Maybe Shiryu just blitzed the fuck out of him and got a good strike since they were supposed to be equals...
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>>100211304
Would his cum be poisonous as well?

Would Sadi give birth to that assbaby from Berserk?
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>>100211389
>gold roger
you serious dawg?
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>>100211469
I thought as much, I just wanted to make sure it hadn't been stated somewhere in say, SBS and I missed it
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What the fuck is this will of D shit?
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>>100211314
Barely.

the point is that as a combat strategy it's a poor one. Him beating WB was his entire crew gunning down a man already half dead, not his personal win.
Only legit fight he won is beating of Ace.
Compared to say someone like Luffy or Crocodile who can be said to have mastered their fruit, blackbeard is a complete amateur.
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>>100211587
>Gear 4th
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>>100211304
It was never really confirmed who defeated Magellan. I know Bon Clay is pretty weak but it seems like if the Blackbeard pirates fought him they'd fucking kill him.
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>>100211507
you got me, I'm an unwashed pleb from east blue for calling him by the nickname rather than Gol D. Roger.
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>>100211410
You're right, the ability to make barriers makes much less sense than Buggy's fruit.
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>>100211490
The probably barged in as he was preparing to deal with Bon Clay and dogpiled him immediately.
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>>100211410
Eye whales
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>>100211304
What makes you think it was Blackbeard and crew who did that and not Mr 2? Mr 2 is actually shown facing off against him while Blackbeard and crew are never shown facing him after getting their shit pushed in by his poison.
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>>100211410
I still have no idea why Mr 3 isn't a Logia.
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Thoughts on who will join the crew next?
>Fire sabo
>Bart
>Jinbei
>Rebecca (lol)
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>>100211650
>>100211729
I thought I recalled Blackbeard gloating about beating the hell out of him to Sengoku when he showed up at the war.
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>>100211762
Because he can't actually turn his body into wax, he can just make infinite amounts of wax.
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>>100211664
Imagine Blackbeard with Buggy fruit instead of Whitebeards.
>Mfw Blackbeard firing his limbs and disabling multiple devil fruits at once, then sucking them in with the darkness fruit
This sounds fucking broken.
Someone name a better combo
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>>100211410
That doesn't bother me as much as getting seemingly unrelated abilities.

Sugar's Hobi Hobi no Mi comes to mind this arc. Not sure why she doesn't age and why turning people in to toys affects peoples memories. Too weird.
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>>100211773
Bart has the best shot out of anyone in this arc.
Sabo is working under Dragon so he won't leave, Rebecca doesn't stand a chance in hell, in fact Viola has a better chance than her but pls no oda.
Jimbei will join the crew later
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>>100211314

At least he has the plot armor to fight Luffy.
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>>100211851
Gravity fruit and Darkness fruit. The ultimate black hole.
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>>100211773
>Sabo
no
>Bart
no
>Jinbei
not until Big Mom saga
>Rebecca
no she sucks but every week I go from "never going to happen" to "ugh I hope it doesn't happen" She's been given a lot of focus this arc.

My pick is Viola being the most likely to join.
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>>100211851
Yami yami and Pika Pika

I'd imagine BB would have fun with that
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>>100211851
He can only do it with the one arm and he can suck people towards him with it. Meanwhile with his other power he can wave his arm and demolish an entire fortress-city
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So, I get it:
Akainu - red - magma
Kizaru - yellow - light
Aokiji - blue - ice
But why:
Fujitora - purple - gravity?
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>>100211773
>Sabo will eat Ace's fruit but will go back to the Revolutionaries after this arc. We'll get a lot of him once we get into the Arc of Revolution.

>Bart's crew will ally with Luffy and Law's allowing them to go crew to crew against Apoo/Hawkins/Kid sometime down the line.

>We already know Jinbe will join but I doubt that'll happen this arc or even next arc (Zo)

>Rebecca is a Vivi. She'll remain in Dressrosa and help bring the island back to it's former glory with her father and grandfather.

Cavendish, Bellamy, Violet and the Dwarves' princess could all be possibilities too but we can't know for sure yet.
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>>100212092
Because Oda couldn't think of a purple logia.
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>>100211905
Barto is fucking gay though and his power is boring. Plus he looks awful and wouldn't fill any of the job positions left.
>>100211960
It's already foreshadowed that Teach will end up creating a black hole of some description. He's done it on a much smaller scale already and that's with barely any training compared to the other devil fruit users.
>>100212038
All those characters are so boring though and don't really fit the straw hat vibe other than Sabo with Ace's fruit.
Also Luffy's dad has a storm paramecia or wind logia fruit right?
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>>100212116
He could've done Gas but Caesar already has it
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>>100212116
Poison
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>Barto is fucking gay though and his power is boring. Plus he looks awful and wouldn't fill any of the job positions left.
You're gay
>wouldn't fill any of the job positions left.
Cabin boy and ship defense with barriers
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>>100208657
>>100208657
yeah, but that'd be like us eating a distantly related species, like monkeys.

Though birds do eat other birds, so... and well fish have to eat fish, right?
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>>100211410
>>100211880

It's like what happened with Jojo. Concepts for Devil Fruits started relatively simple, keeping with the formula "the user turns into a something man/woman". Now that so many DF users have appeared, the powers become more and more weird.

Still, Oda stick with the "x man" idea for a good while.
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Why hasn't that chinese guy on Ishuhui posted the early spoilers yet? We usually have them by now.
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>>100211793
Nope. The marines ask what happened to Magellan and Shiliew says go check for yourself. They don't brag about beating him.
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>>100212260
All I don't want to see is "Rebecca winning D-block" in the spoilers somehow.
I'm actually hoping the 2chn spoilers are legit
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>>100212198
Magellan should have been Logia instead of Paramecia.
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Wait what? I get the voodoo doll power but can't someone else do that already (they did it to Zoro but I can't remember his name) and why the fuck would he turn into a massive voodoo doll if all it does is make him more likely to take damage and exhaust his supply of dolls?
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>>100212260
Just texted him, he's probably busy atm or asleep.
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>>100212109
Cavendish doesn't have a tragic backstory and no flashbacks this arc. Bellamy is a cool dude and Doflamingo was an ass to him but if he joins anyone's crew it'll be Bart.

Viola (Violet) is a good choice since helping the Straw Hats to overthrow a warlord and celestial dragon will probably result in being wanted by the WG forcing her to leave despite being a princess.

Manshelly the dwarf princess might since she's unlike the other dwarves and considered selfish, rude, and bitchy unlike the other dwarves which have the same personality as Chopper. Not sure if being rude/bitchy is too similar to Nami but we'll find out.

I don't think I'd count out Toy Soldier or Rebecca even though I think its unlikely they'll join
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>>100212242
>Ship defense
They really do need somebody on this.
It's almost gotten fucked up/stolen in both Punk Hazard and Dressrosa.
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>>100212242
>Cabin boy
>taller and older than most of crew
Some young and small should fill this role to represent future generation.
Captcha: some mustav. Some mustav confirmed to join.
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>>100212424
>Cavendish doesn't have a tragic backstory
[citation needed]
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>>100211905
Bart will never be a true nakama. He's too evil. Also he's too much of a fanboy to actually ask or function.

>>100211799
I know that. I'm just asking why would his powers manifest as a paramecia instead of logia?
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>>100211762
Ability to create "___" =/= Ability to become "___"
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>>100207903
of course not. Let us kill dear coby, because he is trying to save the rest of the marines.
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>>100212337
That would make Rebecca more interesting if she actually pulled that move off.
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>>100212522
I KNOW THAT! I'm questioning the logic of why wax couldn't count as an element.
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>>100212464

They could recruit Kuma for that. He has already shown he's good at it, and he would fill the missing numbers 2 and 9
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>>100212606
2 and 9?
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>>100212578
>That would make Rebecca more interesting if she actually pulled that move off.
It would be bullshit in my opinion.
It looks like she's knocked the fuck out, and we haven't seen Meadows once.
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>>100212606
Kuma is a brainless robot or whatever now, though. Maybe if the eventual Vegapunk arc includes saving him.
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>>100212668
We also don't see Aqiula.
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>>100212661
Apparently the SH's DF's have 2 unique numerical values from 1-9 in their names

2 and 9 are missing,Kinemon's in theory would fit that but so would Kuma
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>>100212668
This. Rebecca winning can't happen. I could understand maybe her struggling to get back up on her feet while the winner (Meadows) is shown standing.

But yeah she's too weak to do something like that. There's a lot of strong people and only probably beyond admiral tier could knock out all those opponents.
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>>100212801
You remember that somebody told Oda about that theory in an SBS and he laughed it off for being ridiculous, right?
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>>100212668
>Damask knocked out
He'll never get the fire fruit now ;_;
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>>100212777
Acilia was trying to help Rebecca get to the final, she wouldn't KO her.

The only other person (besides Meadows) who isn't seen defeated is Rolling Logan but he's a shit anyway.
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Am I the only one who thinks for a main cast the straw hat pirates aren't very well developed , interesting or likeable other than Luffy , Zoro and Sanji?
>Nami - does fuck all and is weak
>Sanji - see above
>Chopper - a fucking deer
>Franky - meh/10
>Robin - see above
>Hungry skeleton - see above
They all contribute nothing at all. I like how they're not all a bunch of mary sues but Christ above at least do something with them other than just have them around for the sake of it.
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>>100212586

I guess it wasn't natural enough. Even if there is naturally ocurring wax, it's something like jelly, it doesn't bring the idea of natural element or force of nature.

Most probably it was because Oda wanted to keep Logias as a cool minor thing, not a power for a minion.
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>>100212963
fu fu fu
go fly a kite
kid
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>>100212963
Oops meant to list the fucking jew instead of Sanji
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>>100212963
Did you like miss the entire Enies Lobby or some shit?
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>>100212668
Looks like her left eye is open or it wasn't shaded fully.
It might be, but teaching your daughter to just dodge isn't all there is to fighting. It does help you avoid damage and keep you alive in the regard you dodge, but a finishing move seems logical as well.
If it's Conquers Haki by who knows then that's some serious use of it, but there's no foam. Maybe people of their degree don't foam lol. Be REAL nice if it gets answered this chapter after this wait.
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>>100213012
Did you not read the water 7 arc or something?
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>>100212963
>interesting or likeable
>Sanji

>>/out/
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>>100212881

Yes, I never implied that Kuma joining the straw hats was a reasonable idea. I just made a comment because Kuma spent two years protecting the ship, so he would be a good "ship guard". It wasn't expected to be taken seriously.
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>>100212963
B8 harder

Or, you know, read the manga
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>>100212963
>Franky
>Contributes nothing

Are you on crack? Frankys done plenty, including but not limited to

Sunny Blueprints
Keeps that ship in shape
Built a goddamn tank
Built a fucking Mech
Taking fucking charge against the factory
Can shoot lasers
Royally shat on 2 of Doflamingo's officers on his own
Is Super
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>>100212963
>Author doesn't spend anytime showing the mundane day to day lives of strawhats
>They contribute nothing
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>>100213408
I'm pretty sure that Zoro never contribute on the ship
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>>100213519
He's been shown taking watch on few occassion like at the start of the drum arc.
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GOD I hope Oda draws Dellinger on a cover someday with his bare ass or legs showing in all their glory.

>tfw born 3d
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>>100213617
>taking watch

Wanna bet that more than 50% of that was sleeping?
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>>100213519
Zoro's only good for moving heavy shit
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On a scale of one to ten, how hype are these spoilers going to be?
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>>100213706
considering that comedic moments of incompetance doesn't get ignored, I think Zoro actulally paid attention during the watches.

well except for the time on his first watch where he followed the cloud instead of the compass.
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>>100213782
Dressrosa/10
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>>100208767

someone said kaidou would be a duck logia a few threads before and the more i thought about it the more horrifying it became

then i remembered ducks were murderous necrophiliac rape machines and I realised oda would have to be one sadistic bastard to make someone with a duck logia fruit

>how did he die?
>raped to death by a swarm of mallards
>jesus christ
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>>100213706

Nah, he's reliable for that stuff. At much, he was sleeping with an eye open.
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>>100213872
>kidnaps Chopper
>gets Rumble Balls
>Rape Point!
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>>100213782
Sabo/10
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>>100213812
>well except for the time on his first watch where he followed the cloud instead of the compass

and he was so proud of his work
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>>100214169

It doesn't matter what Oda throws at us, it can't match Sabo. No one's body would be ready.
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>>100214265
But everyone knew Sabo was alive. It was only the question of when he would show up.
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>>100211464
Welp we know how Crocodile dies now
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>>100214334
Nobody thought he'd show up here though. I'm pretty sure most people, myself included, thought he'd show up in the middle of a fight to save Luffy later on
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>>100214334

I don't see how your post contradicts or clashes with my post. Why do people here constantly want to start pointless arguments even when there's not reason to argue?
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>>100214334
>implying Oda didn't intentionally have Doffy's henchmen look like an adult Sabo to get everyone talking about it leading up to it.
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>>100214334
>>100214427
pretty much this, I don't think anybody could have possibly guessed the way sabo was reintroduced the way he was - completely out of the blue, everyone expected him to come back sometime during the end
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>>100214265
Kuina
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>>100214148
>mfw Kaidou eats like ten rumble balls at once
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>>100205025
> vivre card going towards big mom.
pic related
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>>100214491
>Zoro fights Diamante
>he has the Stair Stair no Mi
>Zoro is about to lose and then a voice on his back: "get ready for Round 2, bitch"
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>>100214547
>Chopper goes to eat one
>Kaido snatches the bag and eats them all
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>>100214627
Man is it me or is Oda getting too predictable now?
Sure stuff is happening but we see it a mile away
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>>100214736
Dressrosa hasn't been predictable so far.
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>>100214736
Well, she said her mom was a big shot in the new world, didn't she?
And the only female Yonkou is Big Mom. 2+2=???
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>>100214736
well, that whole big mom/lola situation was pretty obvious to begin with.
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>>100214736

Thriller Bark was many years ago. We'll have all the time in the world to speculate and theorize every little detail.
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>>100214736
People are used to it and also are ignoring their legit surprises. Why do you think threads like these exist? How many throwaway characters and gladiators were put in the colosseum? But people remember the names of all of them here because they latch on to it now.
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>>100214736
You saw Sabo coming?
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>>100214736
>Jesus out of nowhere from the fucking getgo
>you didnt seriously lie to whole world just to fuck with us did you?
>lolyup
>Big Mom intruding on a Kaido associated arc
>Sabo out of literally fucking nowhere
>Bart introduced as a menacing psycho turns into a rabid fangirl

Ya m8, so predictable
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>>100214982
Everyone knew Sabo wasn't dead and that he was likely a Revolutionary, it was just a question of when he'd show up.

Koala was a bit more surprising.
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>>100215055
yeah, but did you expect him here? or any of the revolutionaries at all?
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>>100212357

If he had been a Logia they would have made him an Admiral instead.
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>>100215055
>it was just a question of when he'd show up

That's what I'm talking about. I highly doubt that anyone seriously predicted Sabo showing up in the middle of Dressrosa arc. I know that we always say that every new character is Sabo, but this time, we didn't even have the time
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>>100212424

I don't get why people are even talking about this. Jinbei already said, "Yes, I will join your crew, I just have to take care of a few things first." The final crew count will be 10. End of story.
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>>100215210
>He thinks Jinbei will stay alive long enough to join
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>>100215150
>Oda teases Sabo
>Fans think every new character is him
>Only way to have it be a surprise is for him to come out of nowhere and immediately reveal himself
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>>100214736
These spoilers are fake.
Made up by some local anon, who's obviously aware of "Lola's Big Mom's daughter" theory.
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>>100215210
>implying Jinbe isn't drowning in death flags
>implying theres any reason they can't have more than 10
>implying Luffy didn't say he wanted at least 10 crewmates
>implying he counts as one of them neither does merry
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>>100215252
And it was delicious. That reveal coupled with BM's ship the previous week sent these threads into a Happening overdrive
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>>100212963

Nami is the one who navigates the ship. This is a big deal. Maybe you just started reading One Piece, but Oda emphasizes repeatedly that one of the main things that narrows down the pack of pirates on the way to Raftel is the weather.

Sanji is a cook. A ship needs a cook. Long John Silver in Treasure Island was the fucking cook.

They all would have died long ago without Chopper.

For Franky - Coup de Burst. And they wouldn't have gotten through Fishman Island with a lesser ship.

Robin is there to unravel the mystery of the Void Century, which is a major plot point.

Brook is just fucking awesome. I'm not even going to discuss it.
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>>100215210
>2014
>still thinking jinbei will join
He had the perfect chance to join but he didn't. If that doesn't make it obvious he won't join I don't know what will
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>>100215242

Jinbei is the character you get in the last third of an RPG because otherwise his level would be two high for your party.

It'll happen, mark my words.
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>>100215150
https://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/96723070/#96726967
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>>100215684
Hes the kind that ends up being too low by the time he joins.
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Weekly reminder that Kinemon will join the crew:

>There are supposedly 2 crewmembers left and there isn't much room for them to develop unless one

joins soon
>Confirmed to be around for at least another arc after Dressrosa making a total of three arcs already.

Wano will also be focused on him
>Probably going to have a couple of fights this arc
>Sad past confirmed
>Every strawhat has some sort of ship "job", tailor fits in this. Also an excuse for an unlimited

strawhat wardrobe
>Is pretty strong and has a unique fighting style, probably Franky level
>Decent character with room for improvement, unlike most other candidates (Rebbeca, Bellamy, Viola,

etc)
>Had good interactions with every strawhat and fits well with the crew in general
>Brooke uses one sword, Kinemon uses two and Zoro uses three. Shit is classy
>2.9.2.9 = fuku fuku = clothes
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>>100215743

>Jinbei
>ever too low

If Jinbei ever becomes too weak for the series, the power creep will be really really shit
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>>100215848
Not too low for the series, but probably weaker than the monster trio.
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>implying the spoilers will be this good
It will probably be some shit about Rebecca winning
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>>100212963
Did you skip Drum Island or something? For fuck's sake, they had an entire arc about getting the ship a goddamn Doctor.

Who is named Tony Tony Chopper, you fucking moron
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If he really has the "clothes clothes" fruit I'm gonna be a little disappointed. I'm hoping it's a mythical kitsune zoan.
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>>100215932
Wouldn't Jinbei be stronger than Sanji at least though? Jinbei's a Shichibukai on his own and it's not like he's got a crew backing him up like Morria or Buggy.
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>>100211905
bart is definitely gonna be somewhere in the pirate alliance, luffy is king, bart, and law are yonkou
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>>100216005
This
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>>100207197
>futa on futa
Absolutely disgusting
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>>100216024
right now he is, but I think people are implying he wouldn't join until later in the series after the Straw Hats get another power up
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>>100215807

Caesar is going to join the crew

>will stick around for the next arc
>probably will have a fight this arc
>sad past confrimed
>every straw hat has some sort of "job", scientist fits in this. Also an excuse for improving the Devil Fruit users of the crew
>is pretty strong and has an unique fighting style, clearly above Franky level
>is a Logia
>awesome character with room for development, unlike most other candidates (Kinemon, Momonosuke, Toy Soldier, etc)
>had funny interactions with most Straw Hats and fits well in the crew in general
>from Gold Rogers crew, he's going to mirror Buggy
>gasu gasu = 2.9 2.9
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daily reminder Senior Pink saved Luffy's life
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>>100215932

Probably Sanji level or higher
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>>100216024
1. It depends on when he joins, but probably stronger than Sanji but weaker than Franky so weaker than the whole monster trio.
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>>100212578
>has a figthing style of not hitting anyone
>went super speed and knocked everyone the fuck out even herself
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>>100216231
Fuck off
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>>100216024
>>100216231
Oh yeah and
2. Doesn't Jinbe have a "sun pirates" crew or something?
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>>100216024
Underwather he's probably gonna be stronger than Zoro and Sanji, always, above is kind of confusing, I mean we do not even know if he's as strong as Mihawk
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How bad would we all feel if it's not meadows and it's the first time in the tournament that Oda forgot to add someone knocked out?
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>>100215573

He said he would. Oda never had anyone agree to join just for them to back out.
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>>100216286
considering that he can use the water in people and make punches that doesn't need to make contact with skin to have effect, I think he's fine.

>>100216273
No, the sun pirates disbanded after FT's death. Jinbei's the only one invited
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>>100214334
except for the fact that in a databook oda straight up said he was in fact dead and wouldnt show up, then he just fucking shows up
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>>100216286

He was able to fight Ace, a Logia user, to a stand, seemingly without using Haki. That's pretty fucking strong.
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>>100208767
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>>100211410

The power of the gura gura no mi already was used as an example for devil fruits in like the third chapter.
Also I don't think Buggy was called a "something" - man
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>>100216273
Yup. That could be a part he's taking care of. Probably letting everyone know he's moving on and is merely adjusting things.
Big Mom won't be happy and especially after Luffy threatened her. Jinbei might get protection from the Revolutionaries in the meantime or after this arc Luffy can request additionl protection if things become official faster than expected.
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>>100215807
Kinemon is actually pretty strong.
He was able to survive a hit from Doflamingo and get up right away.
Sanji couldn't even do that.
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>>100215210
luffy wants 10 nakama, that does not include himself anon
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>>100215531
you forgot to mention usopp
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>>100216509
Except Sanji did exactly that
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>>100216439
How many times do we have to say that Oda doesn't write the databooks.
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>>100209260

Either that or he tells Fujitora to get out of there for now because shit's too dangerous and Akainu can't afford sending all marine forces to a single island, just because a Yonkou fucks around in the New World

>Doflamingo's face when
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>>100216602
Law saved Sanji ass
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>>100216509
Sanji did it mid-air.
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>>100215807
my problem with it is that they really dont need 3 swordsman and they really dont need another dude, also fuck rebecca
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At this point I think Rebecca has the best chance of eating the mera-mera
Sabo WILL retrieve it but he and Luffy will decide that her desire for justice and revenge is more important than their pride. Also Luffy already said he doesn't care WHO gets the fruit as long as its not someone he hates
Her joining the crew, however, is another matter because she the heir to Dressrosa and Riku is like a gazillion years old
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>>100216641
Everyone's ass needs saving after getting caught by that ability it seems.
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>>100216641
How does that change the fact that Sanji took a hit from Doflamingo and attacked right back?
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I wonder how Alvida's asshole feels
I bet you don't even need lube
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>>100216451
fishman karate lets them hit logia though its not anything new
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Rebecca is a boring filler character. I hope she loses, gets gangraped and then sold into slavery to fat, old men.
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>>100216634
akainu isnt fucking around like sengoku though
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>>100216439

First of all Oda doesn't write the data books.
Second of all the green data book only "confirms" Sabo's death from Luffy's perspective, as the sentence where it says that he died is about how Luffy now needs to go on after both his brother's died
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>>100216718
Your dick would just slide off
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Wait why is Nami fighting in the colosseum?
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>>100216781

Oda authorizes the data book, so it's the same thing as him directly writing it.
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>>100216678

Rebecca has absolutely no reason to get the fruit besides Doflamingo, who's going to fuck off from Dress Rosa after this arc anyway. It would be a complete waste. Either Sabo eats it or he gets it for the Revolutionaries or they decide to burry it Ace's grave
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>>100216845
what are you talking about? Last time we saw her she was riding some horse and shot a tv
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>>100216724
Really? I can't remember a logia vs FMK fight.
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>>100216742

Random citizen of Dress Rosa, pls
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>>100215730
Holy shit.
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>>100216888

Oda provides source materials, like early sketches, but that's it. The rest is just a compilation of cover stories, interviews and commentary of the compilator
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>>100215730

He almost got it right
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>>100217082
Nobody cares samefag
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This chinese fucker better get his head out of his arse and post the damn spoiler or chapter already
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>>100217210
Spoiler's up on Oda's blog though. Go look it up
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You know, whenever the question "What exactly is One Piece?" is brought up nowadays, I see many people say "Oda stated that it is a tangible object." But no where from the SBS, googling, or the manga could I find a single source where it shows Oda explicitly mentioning that OP is a "tangible treasure". Yet everyone and their mom seems to take it as the truth without questioning the legitimacy of the statement.

So as of now, we still DO NOT know whether One Piece is an intangible object like a map or something abstract like friendship. Just wanted to bring this point up so more people take notice of this.
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>>100217178

>Implying
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>>100216916
We never see it onscreen directly, but Jinbe and Ace fought for days, Jinbe easily took our Caribou, and he could hold back Akainu's fist briefly. As he explained when he hit Luffy, he can basically punch the water in living creatures, devil fruits be damned.
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>>100217282
well considering whitebeard flipped shit and said it was real it has to be something other than stupid shit like friendship
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>>100217293
>naruto ad
jesus
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>>100217293
Jokes on you, I was both all along
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>>100217366

This is what 4chan has become.
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>>100217390

>Implying photoshop on phone

If you can tell me a good image editor for android, I'd be pretty happy though
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>>100217408
i can't believe it
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>>100216916
jimbe punched moria, and luffy, and ace
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>>100217341
It's family
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>>100217617
i doubt it, only because gol d roger said "hey whitebeard ill tell you all about one piece and raftel" and whitebeard was like nah nigga imma start a family
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So it's for today ?
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>>100217617

Fuck

One Piece is Roger's last will and apology letter for Ace/Anne and Rouge
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>>100217822
>Ace/Anne
>Anne
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>>100217884
>not knowing that roger's kid would have been named anne if it were a girl
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>>100217953
I don't remember such useless things
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>>100217990
You'll remember this when Ace's twin sister shows up.
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>>100217178
100 years too early to be implying.
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>>100217293
>>100218022
same fag
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>>100216181
this is my belief as well
basically, ceasar is being dragged along specifically so he can see how the government, dofly, and everyone else really doesn't value him, and how quickly they turn on him when it's convenient. Caesar will ultimately decide to say fuck it, and offer to help Luffy. Luffy will say he already has a doctor, so he doesn't need him. He becomes the ships cabin boy as a result
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>>100218153
>implying Luffy will ever forgive him
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>>100210394
>Garp is actually part of the Revolutionaries, acting as his son's spy while not being as accountable to the nobles.
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What's the best One Piece fight and why is it Zoro vs Mihawk?
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>>100217509

Neither Moria or Luffy are Logias, I assumed that he used Haki against Ace and Caribou. There's no reason to think Jinbei doesn't use Haki.
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>>100218174
Luffy's been known to work with previous villains already. When he's willing to work with crocodile of all people, you know that anything goes.
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>>100218359
No armamant haki hand coloring.
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>>100218444
Caesar did some pretty fucked up shit though, and a temporary teamup is different than fulltime crew member.
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>>100217884

That would be Ace's name if he was a girl
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>>100214736

The thing is, right now we're expecting Lola to be relevant again since Thriller Bark. There's a reason every character that could possibly be Sabo (and a lot of characters that couldn't) were accussed of being Sabo, we knew he was coming back but we didn't know how or when.

We know that Lola's vivre card will be relevant again in the future, and Big Mom being Lola's mom wouldn't be unexpected. By now, we're used to Oda bringing back shit like that.

>you didnt seriously lie to whole world just to fuck with us did you?
>lolyup

That was the only thing I really expected to happen, but mostly because I couldn't believe Doflamingo taking all that shit from Law just like that.
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>>100218444
He wasn't williing to work with Crocodile, Yvankov just told him that they will need him. Anyway, it was a onr time thing and Luffy was ready to fight him at any moment (seen when he protected Whitebeard). Also, cooperating =/= making a crewmate out of somebody
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>>100218483
Coloring on CoA is a new thing. It was shown for the first time just after they quit Sabaody for Fishman Island
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>>100218483

The hand coloring is a recent feature. Rayleigh said he used Haki to break the slave collar, and he didn't get colored. That's something new, stop bringing it. Haki has been used in Marineford left and right and no one turned nigger.
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>>100218174

>Implying he won't after Caesar makes something so he can imitate Chopper
> Implying it matters at all and a Straw Hat that no one else of the crew likes and who has to stick around because he has to wouldn't be hilarioua
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>>100218302
Best fight scene or best actual fight? I like Luffy vs Usopp for the former, Usopp and Chopper against Mr 4 and Mrs merry christmas for the latter.
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>>100216181
>gasu gasu = 2.9 2.9

What? Where can you read 2 or 9 there?
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>>100204979
God fucking damn it OP no one speaks asianese, and even if we did we' be too fucking busy picking rice and smoking opium to bother posting in this shit hole of a thread, Now why dont you do back to your fucking king john eel or whatever so you can suck his Indian nigger dick. Why do you think we speak that fucking language. No on in the fucking world speaks that, Peru isn't even real you fucking idiot. Unless your like a fucking bull shit nigger fucking Muslim shitstain. Get the shit out of my computer and go back to asain ville you stupid ass, cant even spell with real words, like what the fuck is an A. That's not even a letter you fucking and sometimes I get nervouse when I see an open door cut the cord are we human or are we dancer my sign is vital my hands are cold and I'm on my knees looking for the awnser as too why your such a fucking shitball rice dick heroin addict
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>>100218672
>Luffy vs Ussop
My heart is still broken
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>>100212092
it's actually a common color associated with gravity
don't really know why though
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>>100218685
>taking that post seriously
kek
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>>100205025

Lately One Piece has reached Kubo levels of "Shit is getting real".

iosngd after
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>>100216439

Damn it are you all stupid? Do people honestly expected Oda to say the databook people "hey, put Sabo's status as unknown, because on a few years he's going to reappear and I don't want to create a contradiction between the manga and this fucking book"? Of course no! I can't really believe that you're using that pathethic excuse, so let's just say that you're a troll and 11/10 I'm fucking mad.
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Why doesn't Zoro realise that the katana is a shitty sword? It has a shitty cutting point and the design is just pure shit.
He should get 3 viking sowrds
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>>100217449
>Implying you're not on a pc and photoshopped it to make it look like a phone screenshot

Samefag accusations and defense against them became worthless
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>>100218827

>Bleach
>shit getting real

Hue
>I stronger dan
>no I actually stronger dan
>no I actually Bankai
>no I actually other final form, totally not Bankai
>no I actually am behind you all along
>I win
>end
>repeat 13 times

Oh yes so exciting
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>>100218910
And Mihawk isn't cutting with the most retarded one of them all?

Zoro could fight with 3 sticks and do well against most.
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>>100218910
>final duel with Mihawk
>last clash, Mihawk's badass black sword breaks all three of Zoro's swords
>"Come back with real swords next time"
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>>100218910
Because he trained to fight with katanas and not viking swords? He would still have his raw strength, but no technique. Also, viking swords aren't made for cutting
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>>100219036
What the fuck is Mihawk's sword even made of? Obsidian? Nope because then it would break unless he swings it perfectly every time
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>>100219079
Sorry, viking swords can cut well, I was thinking about another type of swords which name ecape me right now
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>>100219115
You talk as if he isn't swinging it perfectly every time.
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Sanji is not a fighter
The only time his opponent was close to Zoro's was Enies Lobby
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>>100219115
>unless he swings it perfectly every time

Why do you think he is the best swordsman?
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>>100218956

Yes clearly. That's why I also shopped in the android chrome browser, the clock with the accurate time, some fake notifications and a Naruto add, because I totally don't have adblock on the PC. Also I googled the screen resolution of an S2 just to make my samefag believable and scaled appropriately. And I all did this within the course of 2-3 minutes because I'm that good
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>>100219146
Rapiers
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You're allowed to remove one character from the Straw Hats, who do you choose?
http://strawpoll.me/1019348
I figured we could at least discuss this while waiting for spoilers.
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>>100219220
which one of you motherfuckers voted against chopper?
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>>100206844
i think some guy posted most of it a few weeks ago


i think the title was "go fly a kit edition". check foolz
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>>100219220
>sanji
edgy zorofags pls
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>>100219021
Yeah. It can't match the epic scale battle of Naruto with Tobi and Madara. Shit's been going on for over a year and it just won't let up.
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>>100219220
>faggots are actually voting
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NEW THREAD
>>100219323
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Why the fuck did Smoker lag behind so much?
Even at Marineford he was stronger than Luffy and now he's a fucking nobody, Luffy could probably beat him with one elephant gun
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>>100219331
>caring what other people do
go fly a kite, kid
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>>100219220
>2 guys voted Luffy
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>>100219220
>someone voted luffy
I laughed
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>>100218910
because the katana is a defensive and offensive weapon. A katana is designed for springiness so that it doesn't break easily. This is very ideal for a pirate who may get into many conflicts before he can reach a port with a quality sword. On top of that, they are fairly lightweight (compared to most swords) which makes wielding three (his particular style of choice) much easier. Lastly, the cutting edge is really quite impressive due to the continual folding and hammering of the edge. Not really sure where you get the idea that a viking sword is, well... impressive at all, not to mention are exclusively one handed (meaning you cannot use a second hand to increase strength or control)
Now if you're particularly talking about the elite of viking swords, the ulfberht, it may have been impressive in the 800s, but remember that katanas in the form that Zoro uses are from 1400s and later. Even back in the 1000s, Katana's were still very competetive with the ulfberht.

I blame Nova. After they did that special, everyone and their mother thinks the viking swords were the shit.
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>>100219280

No Zorofag probably even cares about Sanji. It's more like everyone else wants Sanji out. He completely stops the other Straw Hats from shining because "muh Monster Trio"
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>>100219354

It's pretty clear that Luffy and Smoker are around the same level at this point
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>>100211232
That;s dumb as shit, mate.
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>>100219354
because Luffy's motivation was much greater, and he got super special training.
Smoker advanced as much as you might expect him to.
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>>100219372
>not feeling sorry for those poor plebs who read the manga so badly that they actually want someone out of the crew

go fly a kid, kite
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>>100219211
Nah, I was talking about those swords who are only meant to crush
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>>100219458
That's stupid, you could say the same about Zoro and Luffy
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>>100219354
if luffy could actually hit him, he would have beaten him back in loguetown. smokers relied on his logia for his career, so in paradise and east blue, he was unstoppable. now that hes in new world, where half the people there know haki, hes getting his ass kicked left and right. vergo even pointed this out when they were fighting.
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>>100219717
To be honest, Zoro and Luffy are on a tier of their own among the crew. Sanji is not strong enough to be part of the monster duo, but is way stronger than the rest of the crew (Franky would outclass him in raw strength, but Sanji's agility would make him the winner)
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>>100219912
Enough with this Franky bullshit.

Sanji will always and forever be one of the three strongest
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>>100219912
>>100220019
>sanji
>stronger than franky
my fucking sides you sanjishits will say anything
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>>100220049
Sorry, I'm a Zorofag, m8
Franky didn't fight anyone near the level of Sanji's opponent. Be real for a moment. The only thing I truly hate about Sanji is that he would let the crew die just for the sake of not hurting a woman. Absolutely disgusting
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>>100220049
How do you think Franky would have fared against Vergo?
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>>100220137
That's not true.

He held a Gun to Robins head after she threatened them after Whiskey Peak.
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>>100220181
vergo would break his leg trying to kick franky
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>>100220049
Nice b8 m8
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>>100220226
And he couldn't hurt Kalifa even though Robin was about to be executed.

Which event holds more meaning to you?
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>>100220230
>Frankyfag being this delusional.
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>>100219741
correction, Smoker expanded himself to distract vergo so he could steal Law's heart. Vergo pointed out how odd his fighting was given his haki. when smoker was actually kicking his butt earlyer it was smokeless with elbow strikes and such.
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>>100221455
>it was smokeless with elbow strikes
that just proves my point. because of vergos haki, smoker realised that his logia was useless, and without it he got his ass kicked.
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>>100210121
>>100210284

I wonder how come he's cool with his son leading an organization that want's to overthrow the government that the marines protect.
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>>100221577
No he was beating Vergo. He started losing when he started using his logia powers. He only used his logia powers because he was reaching for the heart. Smoker's goal was never to win the fight, just get Law's heart back.

Read the damn chapter again.



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