Does /a/ really hate all shonen?
LOLOL ALL SEINEN IS DEEP AN MATURE, SHOUNEN IS FOR KIDS.
vinland and jojo switched to seinen, but no there are a few good shounens out there
Winland Saga is seinen.
whoever said we hated all shounen?
shonen =/= seinen
SZS is also shounen.
A shonen is fine too
/a/ just likes to act mature and cool.
By watching shows about little girls.
And it's shit, your point?
Official /a/ list of good shounen series:
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Fist of the North Star
Hunter x Hunter
Yu Yu Hakusho
Cromartie High School
Great Teacher Onizuka
Hakaba/GeGeGe no Kitarou
Those fags are funny. LOL Y U REED RUROKEN IT IZ KIDDY. WATCH DEEP MATURE ADULT SHOWS LIKE HARUHI
Hated GTO and JoJo, anyhow.
I love Astro Boy,HXH and early Dragon Ball. GTO was cool until after the school trip to that Island. After that it repeated itself too much.
Only the shitty ones. Well.. not even 'hate' in some cases. /a/ will still read it, if only for the sake of bithcing about it.
I set SAIL for One Piece.
Surprisingly accurate list.
I do. Pic extremely related.
>seinen discussion. will be deleted by mod.
Remove Busou Renkin and Claymore, and you are good to go.
People that say they hate shounen don't know how much shounen really covers. It doesnt only have series like Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece. Kaiji is a shounen for example. Another kind of shounen, but still a shounen.
Agreed. I haven't read everything on that list, but what I have, I've enjoyed.
A Claymore manga is fine too by /a/ standards.
Namek was awesome, DB only became shit after that.
Hey guys, I heard you finally wanted to hang out with me.
One Piece since before Newfag Summer, and TTGL has always been well-liked. Don't let the trolls fool you into thinking it's not.
cromartie and GTO are the only good ones
Angel Densetsu is better.
A lot of people like shounen romance shit around here. Rosario + Vampire, To-Love-Ru, Love Hina etc.
There are of course shounen that are of a different genre than the neverending action ones. Slice of life/comedy ones like GTO and Zetsubou-Sensei, for example.
Seinen. Main audience is middle aged men, in fact.
Angel Densetsu is better than most all manga, but that doesn't mean Claymore is bad.
I don't care about what /a/ thinks, i fucking love shounen series.
>Hajime no Ippo
Wait, Cromartie and GeGeGe no Kitarou are considered Shounen?
Good list. All of it is decent at least.
OP and GL are trolled a lot, but create a thread, and a lot of fans will come out. A surprising amount of people are up to date with the One Piece manga.
We don't hate all shounen, just the repetitive SHOUNEN FIGHTAN battle-o'-the-week crap like DragonInuBleaRutoPiece. And the tards who go nuts over it and have never heard of stuff like Jigoku Sensei Nube.
I haven't seen any decent shonen anime or manga out there.
TTGL and OP shouldn't be in that pic.
Then watch one.
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei is shounen.
This. There was an influx of obnoxious One Piece fans which caused some people to hate it, and then the newfags tried to catch up by spouting the same awful catchphrase over and over again. I've been here for years and most people used to love it.
OP here, forgot to add Kitaro, Fist of the North Star, SZS, Go Nagai's work and some other stuff
It's funny how a lot of shonen sagers claim that they're not pedo moeblob fags. If all the daytime shonen haters here only watched/read true seinen, then we'd have nothing but Berserk, Monster, Kemonozume and Vagabond threads.
Yes. Kitarou's obviously aimed at younger audiences (even though I think the new anime is aimed at older fans of the 60s series) and Cromartie's comedy shonen incarnated. Also really overrated in my opinion.
>Main audience is middle aged men, in fact.
I understand Akagi since it's aimed at Mahjong enthusiasts, but Kaiji's story isn't all that complicated and thought provoking.
Yes. Yes we do. Bring your shounen faggotry back to gaia because we adults want to about deep and mature shows. Like Clannad.
Go on and pull more stuff out of your ass, pal.
SZS is as seinen as it gets.
kekkaishi should be added to the list!
Then why was it serialized in a shounen magazine?
Oh god please be a troll
Serialized in Weekly Shōnen Magazine, focuses on a cynical and sarcastic guy surrounded by attractive females, totally NOT aimed at young males.
except it runs in a shounen magazine
Which is why I prefer Shoujo-nen. At least cute/hot girls/women fighting are preferable (and more attractive) than UGLY males with their constant testosterone-fuelled cockwaving 'who can hit the hardest'-fests as seen in (Set FAIL For) One Piece, Dragonbollocks Z, Gurren Fagann etc. Pic very related.
>If all the daytime shonen haters here only watched/read true seinen, then we'd have nothing but Berserk, Monster, Kemonozume and Vagabond threads.
Lucky Star and Welcome to NHK were also published in shounen magazines, what.
why are you so afraid to admit you like a shonen series?
I agree it is shonen but I don't think it is correct to classify it based on the manga. Sometimes they go out of the norm.
The magazine it runs in is called Weekly Shōnen Magazine. What do you think?
There's only one way to tell if a manga is seinen or shonen, it's by the magazine they are published in. Nothing else matter.
Fuck yeah, Jigoku Sensei Nube!
Don't reply to yourself.
That mean they are shonen, nothing more nothing less.
OP is a retard.
oh god not you again
fuck off, you're an awful troll
Exactly. "shonen" isn't synonymous with "show about a hyperactive main lead that nobody gives a shit about fighting people to buff his power level".
Well there's that one guy who sages Vinland threads on reflex during d/a/y...
"But it runs in a shounen magazine"
Just because the manga has worked it's way into the biggest manga mag in the world, doesn't mean that the magazine defines its genre. Just like playing Bach with electric guitar, doesn't make it classical music, even if the piece was originally classical.
Yes. Wiki is a reliable source of information. And has never been inaccurate in the past.
Type in a different style next time you try to pull that same-faggotry.
Yeah Wikipedia is definitely a valid source of information and not run by weeaboo faggots
i like vinland saga and gto and one piece and fukumoto
Lucky Star is as far away from shounen it gets.
that is not a good comparison.
Lucky Star != shonen
stop trolling and replying to obvious trolls
That must make all shounen series deep, thought-provoking, multi layered, highly symbolical, masterpieces.
Then what's your definition of shonen? SZS's target audience is obviously composed of young males, plus it runs in a shonen magazine. Is there anything else to it?
Same here, minus Bleach.
Faggot, when did I try to pass up as another person? Like I've said, Shonen isn't a genre it's a demography. Doesn't matter if you judge a manga to be too "intelligent" or "sophisticated" to be a shonen, if it's published in a shonen magazine then it's one.
Which is why Lucky Star will always be better than Gurren Fagann, (Set FAIL For) One Piece, Gayji etc. will ever be.
What demographic the series is does not matter shit. Because it's seinen, is Lucky Star by default better written than GTO?
serialized in Comptiq and Shōnen Ace
SHONEN ace, you elitist moeblob loving neckbeard
Lucky Star = Shounen?
No, it makes all shounen boring pieces of shit.
LOTS of sports manga/anime
Hikaru no Go (which is basically a sports manga)
Ghost Sweeper Mikami
and especially Kochikame (Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kouen-mae Hashutsujo), which has been running continuously since 1976
Not all shounen is fightan. It's just that Cartoon Network shows a lot more shounen fightan than other shounen.
Lucky Star is not a boring piece of shit?
lolno. You doesn't get much worse than Lucky Shit.
kids wont be reading LS sorry
>lol look at me im so cool bcuz i hate lucky star lololo ^___^
just because it isn't a Shounen that doesn't mean that it's good
sage for moefags
intended demographics are meaningless. rurouni kenshin had more female fans than male fans. i imagine death note does too. not to mention all the girls who like adult swim stuff.
Who the heck cares about the audience? The art style inn SZS is obvious seinen and that's what defines it. Just because shounen and seinen were originally defines by the audience, doesn't mean they're not actual genres nowdays.
The main character is a teenage, bisexual girl who is into hentai, GRINDAN MMORPGs, anime, manga and other otaku shit. Definitely not fantasy fulfillment for misguided underage b& nerds, nope!
That's funny since I used to post on some shitty cartoon forum and most LS fans were 12 to 16 year old girls and a few males
>>lol look at me im so cool bcuz i hate shounen lololo ^___^
Can't get more retarded. You truly are a failure even among tripfags.
Truly, the most mature of fans.
>12 to 16 year old girls and a few males
there's your answer
Shounen can make people sucessful in life
you've got to be fucking trolling. 10/10
Most shonen running right now like Naruto or Prince of Tennis have a really important female fanbase, they are still shonen no matter what.
inb4 100posts 26images
MOE VS GAR ROUND #5674298
fail... it goes like this
>12 to 16 year old girls and a few males
>girls and a few males
>a few males
>The art style inn SZS is obvious seinen and that's what defines it
There's tons of shonen series which use a similar art style, please be a troll
I dunno, I thought 13 year olds girls = kids
Lol true, lots of Football players in europe began playing thanks to Captain Tsubasa.
>The main character is a teenage, bisexual girl who is into hentai, GRINDAN MMORPGs, anime, manga and other otaku shit. Definitely not fantasy fulfillment for misguided underage b& nerds, nope!
Nor adults, nope!
13 year olds girls != shonen
Lucky Star is a special case since it's published in Comptiq most of the time and in Shonen Ace sometimes. Comptiq is a magazines that specialize in eroges so it's definitely not a shonen mag.
OP here, I moefags and garfags are equally retarded. I personally think Nono from Diebuster and Joseph Joestar are equally awesome protagonists.
Yeah since girls never like shit like Naruto.
Lol @ seinenfags vs. shounenfags.
You can't like both?
Saying people only read seinen to be deep is like saying only children read shounen. You're all fucking hypocrites.
No, actually there is not. SZS has unique art in it. Besides once you get into the manga properly you'll see that it's basically engineered on seinen esque plot development. I'm not saying it's strictly seinen or shounen, but it definitely is more seinen than shounen.
>Yeah since girls never like shit like Naruto.
so LS is aimed at young males AND obese neckbeards who fap to unrealistic cartoons. It's still not a good idea to use it to defend either demographics.
You can. But there's a difference between "otaku"/moeblob seinen and the actual good series. Lucky Star and 20th Century Boys are the same genre, durr hurr.
death note is pretty DEEP and has good art it is seinen
/a/ DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
In short: Lucky Star is shit? Because it really is, no matter what its target audience is.
>death note is pretty DEEP and im pretty good at coloring within the lines
>>You can't like both?
DEEP: See plot holes.
>I'm not saying it's strictly seinen or shounen, but it definitely is more seinen than shounen.
>it definitely is more seinen than shounen.
You're a retard. Its premise is obviously aimed at shonen audiences and it runs in a shonen mag; that's all there is to it.
The art is unique? Don't get me wrong, it's a nice visual style, but it certainly isn't all that original. Hell, half the characters have the same face.
Bring your shounen faggotry back to gaia because we adults want to talk about deep and mature shows. Like Clannad.
LS was awesome. Shonenfags hate it. Proof it is not shonen.
Dammit, I keep seeing the longboat of this thread and thinking it's a Vinland thread I missed. D:
I read mostly seinen and I think Lucky Star is shit. It was not awesome.
Holy shit. And I thought it was going to be circle logic
I can't decide if you're seinenfags digging your own graves or shonenfag trolls trying to defend your favorite shows by making seinen fans look stupid
then you're doin' it wrong.
everyone hates lucky star. its demographic is undefinable.
Seems like the LS hate went away with /jp/.
I miss it. Seriously, there was nothing memorable about Lucky Star, there's no reason to circlejerk over it every day.
The moe/pedo genre of Seinen is just a small slice of seinen, just as the fighting genre is just a small slice of shonen. Many fans of Seinen like Beserk, Zetman, and Vagabond, hate the moe stuff.
No, we are just defending shounen by saying we like LS.
Seems like this thread is same fags everywhere.
The shounenfags ITT do like both. It's the retarded moeblob niggers acting like "IF ITS NOT IN SEINEN MAGAIZINE IT IS SHIT"
>deep and mature shows
Whats your point? One piece has unique art and it's shounen. ZSZS really has no plot so wheres the plot development?
Why don't you Moefags discuss real Seinen?
Nobody circlejerk over it, if nothing it would be the opposite. Go start a GL thread and see what circlejerking really mean.
It's too hard for them. Did you ever see a 20th Century Boys-thread? No.
Imagespamming/mai waifu etc = circlejerking. GL is usually fapping over THE DEEP SYMBOLISM LOLOL OMG, while LS is fapping to the blobs.
I LIKE BOTH.
haet shonen tho
DURR THOSE ARENT REAL SEINEN. I ONLY LIKE DEEP MATURE SHOWS LIKE LUCKY STAR OR HARUHI OR CLANNAD OR KANON. GO BACK TO YOUR KIDDY FIST OF THE NORTH STAR FUFUFU
There were a lot of threads about 20 century boys(and disappointment over the ending) recently and lots of threads about Monster before.
In terms of purely anrt and story SZS is seinen manga. It's just gets labeled as shounen because it ironises the otaku culture which obviously atracts tyypical shounen audience.
Posting LS in /a/ should be bannable offense. It's like 30% of all threads are LS related somehow.
There's two types of seinen. Horrible shit aimed at 18+ pedophiles, basically generic shoujo series with more panty shots and a lot of pornographic merchandise and promotional art. Then you have true seinen, with creatively awesome art, stories that only make sense to mature audiences and great writing. Thing is, THE LATTER TYPE IS RARELY, IF EVER DISCUSSED HERE, ESPECIALLY AT THIS TIME OF THE DAY. They're also extremely rare; very few seinen series end up being more than pretentious piles of shit. Same goes for shonen, josei, shoujo and ALL ANIME EVER
Which is weird since only a japanophile or an actual japanese citizen could possibly get all the nip cultural references in LS
Is Zetman any good? I've been meaning to give it a try.
lucky star is funnier than szs.
It runs in a fucking Shonen magazine. Thus, it's marketed to 12-18 boys. It's fucking shonen. Get the fuck over it.
Image dumping is nothing much, not something I would call circlejerking. Now the threads about Haruhi in its prime or GL now are definitely circlejerking material.
>Which is weird since only a japanophile or an actual japanese citizen could possibly get all the nip cultural references in LS
BAHHHHH A FEW JOKES WENT OVER MY HEAD. NOW I CAN'T ENJOY THE SERIES.
>It's just gets labeled as shounen because it ironises the otaku culture which obviously atracts tyypical shounen audience.
Haha, oh wow. Protip: Every anime with a modern day setting has made fun of otakus at one point.
Also, why do you think SZS always makes fun of overweight middle aged otakus and yaoi fangirls but never says anything about young male anime fans? Because the author doesn't want to insult his target audience.
Yeah, endless fucking references > actual parodies and moderately clever humor
Zetman's good, but the story seems to wander at times (tries to follow too many different characters while not neglecting any of them) and it's slooooooooooow.
Neither are funny.
However, at least SZS shows more intelligence by the social satire theme present, while Lucky Star is otaku fappan with ever-changing scenes and animation for ADD kids.
Clearly hasn't watched a minute of LS
Because only 12-18 boys read shounen magazine, right? You're a douche. Like I said genres aren't defined by the audience anymore, get over it.
It doesn't show any intelligence, it's neither subtle nor thought provoking.
>Haha, oh wow. Protip: Every anime with a modern day setting has made fun of otakus at one point.
watch moar anime
>Is Zetman any good? I've been meaning to give it a try.
I like it. The story is a bit cliche, but it is still a really fun ride.
LS is satire of otaku.
It is, you can't change definition by yourself.
TONS of females read Naruto and Inuyasha. Does that make them not shonen?
Just admit that you like a shonen series and quit being a douche.
>>In Japan, many older men read shōnen magazines because of their ease in reading during commutes to and from work on trains. Consequently, in Japan, shōnen manga magazines are the most popular manga magazines.
we're talking about demographics, not genres.
at first i raged... then i lol'd... wow
Generalizations meant to help get a point across, faget
No, but if it's in a shonen magazine, it's designed to appeal to people who read shonen magazines. People who are 12-18 boys or like manga for 12-18 boys.
GL doesn't deserve to be lumped together with Naruto, Bleach, OP, Inuyasha, and all that stuff. At least GL had a plot and wasn't fucking endless.
>while Lucky Star is otaku fappan with ever-changing scenes and animation for ADD kids.
OP has plenty of plots, all but the current one have ended. They're just not connected in any way except for the Straw Hats' involvement.
Actually, One Piece is infinitely better than GL. And I like both.
OP's storytelling is basically JoJo without the frequent change of main characters. Instead of having three different protagonists for each arc Oda just adds a new one every once in a while.
THIS THREAD IS CRRRRRAZY
IN B4 200POSTS 33IMAGES
ORE WA SHOUNEN
>GL IS LESS POPULAR MAKING IT BETTER
GL had great production values and some nice symbolism for a children's show, but it relied on references too much. Give OP's license to an animation studio that isn't run by QUALITY-loving korean sweatshop slaves who are known for their overly long stareoffs and fillers and it would definitely beat GL.
I have no idea why I'm even posting this since I'm sure moeblob loving daytime /a/ posters hate both shows equally
Oh, /a/, you are so easily trolled.
He's right, a bit less on GL but hes right
YEAH OF COURSE DISREGARD THE COUNTLESS GL THREADS HERE AT EVERY HOURS OF THE DAY.
Heck even OP isn't really hated, I really those fags who try to pass themselves as victims.
>Heck even OP isn't really hated
It's been discussed pretty often lately, but a few months ago you couldn't even start a One Piece thread without it being sagebombed by newfags
How fucking dumb can people be to actually think Lucky Star or Clannad is mature?
They are seinen.
That means they are for older men.
=mature, well written and thought provoking.
I don't. I have a mind of my own.
Oh dear sir, that is rich.
LOL IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE SHE WATCHES ANIME AND SO DO I ROFL ROFL MOE
More mature than GURREN LAGANN
LOL UR RITE. SO IS DIS WAT BEIN A MAN FEELZ LIEK
I don't even like Gurren Lagann but that is wrong.
Lucky Star the manga is so far worse than Lucky Star the anime that I didn't think it was even possible.
WOW THAT'S FUNNY
BETTER TELL THE GAIZ BACK IN GAIA
havent read it yet but if you hated it and hated the anime then i should like the manga as well if not better
even though... same fag... still... lol'd
TO PRODUCE A SERIOUS STATEMENT IN A THREAD THAT WENT STRAIGHT DOWN THE RETARDATION ROAD:
Gurren-Lagann is not the worst Anime of 2007 and you can stop trolling it. It's good, everybody agreed. It's Shounen, yes, but it's still good.
Seinen can be awesome but apparently too many people understand "pedophile bullshit" when they hear Seinen. I want more stuff like Monster, 20th Century Boys/21st Century Boys, Pluto which - to me - feels very belgofranconian-ish, if anybody ever read the more grown up comics coming from the belgian-french region.
Wait, that's the punchline? Jesus christ, Tim Buckley is a comedy genius compared to the downs-ridden pedophile behind LS.
Good seinen is good, but the fact is most people who like seinen don't enjoy good/deep shows, but also want to make fun of shounen fags, and thus they fap to Lucky Shit and ClannAIDS.
>>Seinen can be awesome but apparently too many people understand "pedophile bullshit" when they hear Seinen. I want more stuff like Monster, 20th Century Boys/21st Century Boys, Pluto which - to me - feels very belgofranconian-ish, if anybody ever read the more grown up comics coming from the belgian-french region.
XIII and Tintin needs to be made into a Manga or Anime
Especially the whole Tintin-Art when in fistfights reminds me of Urasawas Artstyle, just.. well, coloured. It's just some sort of feeling, probably because I've read a fuckton of Asterix and Tintin when I was a kid.
>people who like seinen don't enjoy good/deep shows
What demographic would you say these "good/deep" shows appeal to?
We KNOW truly great seinen exists; a lot of shonenfags watch stuff like Kaiji too. It's just that /a/'s seinenfag trolls are usually fans of moeblob shit and wouldn't go anywhere near something like Sanctuary and Blade of the Immortal.
Seinen. However, the seinen demographic seems to be split between actual good manga/anime and immature pedo shit.
>Wait, that's the punchline?
There was no joke faggot. You are probably the one with Down's.
Get back to your kiddy shounen while I watch Clannad, bitch.
There IS an animated show about Tintin, you know.
Seinentrolls = Nanohafans.
4koma are supposed to be funny.
this was even the VERY FIRST lucky star strip, meaning it's supposed to hook the audience.
even most gaijin 4koma are funnier than lucky star
I know but it's not animu enough
Honestly, these are the most pathetic threads on /a/ a whole lot of nothing gets said and then forgotten then the cycle repeats again when someone is TROLLING mind you.
Also, we all know daytime /a/ isn't much of anything, the nighttime crew is a lot better, seriously guys just stop this nonsense. saging my own post because its full of shit, which is made of ass and poo
I've seen the first episode of the animu which adapted that scene and that was shown as a self-contained skit. It was just pointless and retarded; if it truly wasn't meant to be funny, the writers could've thought of a better way of portraying Konata's love of anime.
u r faget
Alright, I'll go read JoJo while you fap to ugly KEY girls and BAWWWW like a little girl.
Enjoy your homosexuality.
I do both.
Fuck yeah, YYH.
enjoy ur downssyndromesexuality keyfag
This thread became shit as soon as that newfag posted that shitty list.
The hook is the fact she is an otaku.
I derived great enjoyment from reading this thread. Everybody 8/10, would read again.
The presentation of her being an otaku is poorly done.
OH GOD SHE'S A GIRL
A GIRL WHO LIKES ANIME
BRB GONNA READ THIS WHILE FAPPING FURIOUSLY
cause it just has to be a hilarious joke amirite?
that's the point of a 4koma
No it has to be FUNNY, faggot! how can something be a comedy if it isn't funny?
Answer? IT FUCKING CAN'T!
Protip: /a/ doesn't like anime/manga
>how can something be a comedy if I don't think it's funny? Because other people cannot have different tastes than me, of course.
ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT >>10020642
IS FUNNY? Because oh god garfield is a comedic masterpiece in comparison
Yes, it's really funny.
You must have a pretty shitty sense of humor if you think "If I join a sports club
then I'll miss the prime time anime" is a good punchline
JUST HOW /v/ DOESN'T LIKE VIDEO GAMES RITE? YOU KNOW DESPITE BEING A BOARD FOCUSED ON VIDEO GAMES?
XD SO HILARIOUS
No Japanese comedy is funny.
LOL CAPS LOCK XD
You know what I really hate? Seinen. Monster? Boring as hell. Nothing to keep you interested. A cliche plot. Mushishi? All gimmick, hardly any substance, also boring as fucking hell. Berserk was good... For the first three thousand fucking chapters.
Really, anyone who reads/watches this shit is deluding themselves into thinking it's good because it's "adult".
Honey and Clover was pretty funny.
Even a Monkey can Draw Manga was funny. SZS is also occasionally funny.
There's no culture barrier, LS is just an unfunny piece of shit just like 99% "humor" anime.
>>SZS is also occasionally funny.
LOL NO, unfunny and overrated shit on the same level as Lucky Star.
No it wasn't, and it went to shit in the second second.