“Japan anime might finally be coming out of the moe (sexualized cuteness) rut.” Vince Shortino, Japan general manager of Crunchyroll
>“In the United States, perhaps the worst (for anime) is in the rearview mirror now,” says author and translator Frederik L. Schodt. “The market is probably half of what it was in 2007,” he admits, “but the fan base still seems dedicated and even growing.
>In real-time video rankings on Crunchyroll, which streams the show worldwide, “Attack” periodically knocked “Naruto” out of the top perch, where it has been for five consecutive years, according to the site’s Japan general manager, Vince Shortino. “We have seen much better anime over the past two years,” he says. “Anime might finally be coming out of the moe (sexualized cuteness) rut.”
Is that how moeshit is defined now?
>moe (sexualized cuteness)
Guy doesn't understand the true concept of Moe, more news at 10.
I've been seeing articles of this nature a lot lately.
>moe (sexualized cuteness)
Even putting aside the fact that "sexualized" isn't a word this is retarded
lel epic maymay xD
>Roland Kelts is the author of “Japanamerica: How Japanese Pop Culture has Invaded the U.S.” He is a visiting scholar at Keio University in Tokyo.
This man has the qualifications, who the fuck are you?
But yea, dude's dumb.
Moe is moe, you don't have to sexualize it. I don't.
I never wanted to fuck Chii for example. Same for little girls and boys. they are my many daughterus/sons.
That said, I can't deny many anons seem to sexualize cuteness and would fuck kitten.
>streams the show worldwide, “Attack”
>moe (sexualized cuteness) rut
This is the cancer that is killing anime
>market is probably half of what it was in 2007
>fan base still seems dedicated and even growing
So he’s saying there’s more fans than in 2007 who buy half of what they used to. Veery optimistic.
The demand for under-age fetishism pretty much funds the entire industry and it's been like that for decades.
That's kawaii not moe
Wow I hope this is ironic shitposting (it isn't though)
Just goes to show that all moe leaves to is underage cancer, and has completely destroyed the entire fanbase of anime and has caused all wars
Garouden OVA when?
>moe (sexualized cuteness)
I wonder if he realizes how much U.S culture has influenced Japan
inb4 the dictionary is wrong
Yeah it seems the fanbase growing is the people that don't want to pay and are fine with stream 240p anime from shittyroll.
> U.S culture
> U.S culture
> U.S culture
> U.S culture
>"sexualized" isn't a word
Anyway, personally I like my cuteness to be sexualized.
>implying I care what a Protestant thinks
So much denial.
Keep killing anime you retarded pedofiles
WHY IS THERE THIS DOGSHIT THREAD EVERY GOD DAMN DAY, DO YOUR FUCKING JOB MODS.
Is this a joke along the lines of "the U.S doesn't have a culture"?
No anon, you are the shitposter.
>/a/ in charge of self awareness.
To normalfags, anime cuteness is comparatively extremely sexualized.
>Yamakan tries to save anime by making something that doesn't focus on moeshit
>Almost kills anime
>Yamakan makes an anime that is moeshit
>"Anime might finally be coming out of the moe rut"
For the most part cons have been growing in numbers but the amount of people that consider anime to be their main thing is pretty low and continuing to shrink.
>no idea what he is talking about
Why does everyone in the world use the wrong definition of Moe except /a/? Oh, maybe you're the wrong ones.
It's not a joke, it's the truth you uncultured swine.
I like my moe, but I hate when it's sexualized. What now?
And then we have Sekai Seifuku this season...
Yeah, I guess you could say the American 'influence' was in the kilotones.
SnK saved anime after all.
is this like how bronies deny there is any sexual component to their fetishism?
>some douche from CrunchyRoll pretending they understand the industry they do nothing but parasitically leech off of
Cute girls have been with animu since it first started, the normalfags need to learn to deal with it or go back to swallowing whatever shit drips out of Hollywood's ass.
Does this mean the next season of sicko piss won't have Akane? It'll be 100% fujobait?
I think that he was trying to imply that U.S. culture is not U.S., but what they got from Europe.
I don't think you know what the word "culture" means
Where I can get this?
That picture is unrelated. Yamakan is anything but a saviour of anime from moe. He is a parasite that grows on it.
Fuck off and go pedo file your pedo files.
I don't think you know what it means, uncultured American swine.
Unless your culture exists completely isolated on Mars, it is influenced by and influences other cultures
>To normalfags, anime cuteness is comparatively extremely sexualized.
That's debatable but it still doesn't change the fact that moe doesn't mean "sexualized cuteness".
We'll know anime is officially dead when the anime industry tries to save its market by ditching the moe scene and pandering more to a (larger) western audience.
Verdict is still out on that show on whether it's really dumb or there's more to it. I've been burnt by the director enough times that I'm in the former.
ITT : Shitflinging
You are a semantics faggot, who can go fuck himself, as is everyone else in this thread. It;s obvious what kind of anime hes talking about. What the hell is even being said here, this is the shit I've seen in this thread so far:
>sexualized is not a real word
>lel epic maymay (real post)
>moe comes from U.S culture
Is this the underage apocalypse? Fuckers watch K-On and then don't watch any good anime their entire lives. Self-immolate. Giga-sage.
Their wasn't really much sexualization in the first few episodes of MLP, and presumably the rest, it's all their own doing and not the shows.
i know header files
and PDF files
don't know nuffin' bout any pedo files though
Then why does everyone in the world use it that way except this website?
If they want to kill themselves off then let them. It can only improve the industry when it makes a comeback. If they forget who is buying their overpriced stuff they only have themselves to blame.
This, but it has to be more than with The Big O.
So, according to this post, the "moe cancer that was killing anime" all those years was Naruto, and "saving" anime is SnK?
It is like, curing cancer with plague?
But usually, it has original elements, and others were changed over the centuries. It's not the case with the U.S. (unless you go to check the American natives).
The con scene has fragmented into a ton of very small cons offering pretty much the same alt-culture shit, though.
Video game rooms where everyone is play LawL, shitty underage raves, MTG/boffer, and half the attendees you can't hold a conversation with, because they don't actually like most anime/manga.
Even for some of the larger cons: Look what happened to Anime Central -- they completely overran it with fashion shows, obscure asian bands, underage raves, and half a dozen other cancers. (Don't even get me started on the 500 Homestuck cosplayers there last year)
Because a good chunk of /a/ is face and eyes into this stuff and know better?
How do you determine the amount of people that consider anime to be their main thing?
So when a two-dimensional girl is being cute, she's being sexualized? Crunchyroll truly are anime experts!
I meant as far as having a half-naked loli in the main character role.
Because they don't know better and don't care to learn?
Or /a/ just makes up its own definitions of Japanese words.
>In the United States
>In the United States
>In the United States
No one fucking cares.
What were the most popular anime in the USA? Naruto, Bleach and now SnK.
It's all fucking garbage for mainstream retards.
Anime in Japan is doing better than ever. No one gives the slightest shit about the US market.
Please don't tell me that you are saying there is nothing uniquely American in America because if you are going to post something that stupid, I want you to reconsider and maybe delete your post.
Because it is embarrassing
Watch MLP a bit, for nostalgia and to see what the fuss is about.
Dawwwwww it's pretty...
Latter on discover pony porn on the internet. There are people who want to fuck ponies. Now I'm fearing there is pokemon porn somewhere...
Why had you to desecrate my childhood toys ? Fucking horse fucker !!
What are you even talking about?
>pretending they understand the industry they do nothing but parasitically leech off of
Sounds like /a/
You can maybe give us an example?
It's true. How many moe shows are there this season? Not many. Most shows are about mechas.
I don't even have a reaction image for this
dick slut eating cucumber is better than naruto, logic checked
Good post beard guy.
>SnK is shit
>Guilty Crown is shit
>SAO is shit
>CG is shit
>Psycho Pass was mediocre
>Berserk movies were really lackluster
>Ghost in the Shell Arise was boring
>Moe is the problem guys.
Stop making shit, it's not "moeshit" that is the problem.
Not an Clapistani but I believe stuff like guns, muscle cars, being fat and the overall American lifestyle is the American culture. And, yes, it counts as culture.
Saying moe is the problem in anime, is saying that you essentially don't like anime and you're a massive faggot that wants to be taken hard in the ass.
Mecha are moe, too.
>Anime in Japan is doing better than ever.
not doing a very good of convincing people that.
>everyone in the world
You can't be this retarded.
I want Rugarell to leave
It came out in 2010 you underage faggot.
So he's just telling that just because Nurutu 2.0 aka SNK just topped the first place from Nurutu 1.0, moe is dying?
What examples? Do you really think USA is like Europe? It's a completely different culture.
>implying he will understand that
You should have said triple decker cheeseburgers with egg on top
Speaking of US influence:
>Kanemitsu is also concerned about coming changes in Japanese copyright legislation that may accompany passage of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact, for which the U.S. is pressing Prime Minister Shinzo Abe hard. “The TPP’s restrictive copyright regime is thought to be detrimental to Japan’s dōjin-shi (fan art) and online parody communities, since parody and fair use are not protected under Japanese copyright laws, and the chances that these provisions will be given protection is rather slim.
>“If the TPP is passed per America’s demands, the police will no longer need permission from holders of copyright to go after violators. Any charge by a third party that a copyright violation is in progress will be enough for the police to arrest someone.”
>He adds that criminal and commercial pressures combined will force some manga publishers to shutter this year, and that several artists have already told him they are thinking of quitting.
SUGOI FREEDOM 'MERICA!
If they don't use this song for the Origin remake I will be fucking pissed.
I was thinking about the first serie, idiot.The one from the 80's.
Cuckold porn involving niggers
>Anime might finally be coming out of the moe (sexualized cuteness) rut.
Is this going to be a thing now?
Number of fan-run panels, attendance at said panels, straight up asking. It varies between cons/regions, but I'm pretty sure it's trending downward.
Yea... I have no idea why the director went that way.
No, it's not going to be the new maymay, zip your pants back up redditfag.
It would be really fucking unfair if anime stops with the moe trend/boom yet video game is still full of FPS/TPS blockbuster shit.
i will cum through your flyscreen
Good; When the blue & pink rabbits comeback, then we talk.
You started to realize it, nothing is flawless, anime/movies/book, everything is shit from some point.
The problem is people who idealize or demonize things, it's either good or bad, nothing in between, no personal enjoyment and opinions.
>Coincidentally, after Miyazaki quit anime, he moved on to manga
This is great writing.
Unless, of course, he's referring to the fact right now we're undergoing a waning of loli shows but he's calling it "moe" because he's an ignorant gaijin. Some concerned anons have noticed the trend for awhile as well. They really bitched about it years back when the pendulum swing was beginning and Nanoha and Feitoh became delicious healthy military milfs, goddamn.
But that was because the studious oversaturated the market with loli shows for awhile until the lolipedo otaku stopped purchasing them so much, and like a pendulum it naturally swung to pandering to Delicious Fat Chest lovers who have wallets full of yen to spend on shows featuring tittymonsters. A swing back to loliservice will happen again.
Do you mean "sexualized cuteness" or an image with out of context text underneath it?
Are you kidding me? People have been arrested in Japan for uploading manga chapters/volume.
Well, what do you know, straight from the horse's mouth.
>not doing a very good of convincing people that
Tell that to all fans.
>moe (sexualized cuteness)
The former of course.
And that has nothing to do with the doujin culture. We are talking about banning comiket altogether here, anon.
I enjoy 'moe' anime more than most 'serious' works. SnK, SAO and similar garbage is for huge casuals and teenagers. Call me when anime reaches mature film level of sophistication.
Moi is cancer killing animes!
>Calling moe, which is pandering to parental feelings, as sexualized cuteness
He's one step away from calling it pedophilia pandering, isn't he?
I believe you just showed your underaged faggotry if you don't even know MLP was an 80s cartoons.
In the 90's there were around 10 series airing per season.
In 2004-2006 over 30.
Today we have over 50.
Precure makes 700 million a year. Gundam makes 400 million a year. Madoka made over 400 million in 2 years.
Sales records are broken every 2 years or so.
Jewish control of banks
And nothing of value would be lost.
Well I don't really think there is any problems with anime for the most part, I think time just makes stuff wear thin that its hard to bring that magic back. I watched Slayers and CCS last year and they felt really good. I don't even think 'moe' is the selling point for anime, its more Ecchi stuff which often has moe elements. Every season there is like 4-5 generic ecchi series, maybe 1-2 shonen series with ecchi elements then if we're lucky one Iyashikei series.
There is a lack of more serious stuff that Westerners like, but they've never been that popular.
Clapping for everything
I guess I'm picking up Date a Live.
Being fat and a strong womyn huu daunt need no men
>Outbreak Company aired last season
>Definition of moe sixteen seconds into Episode 1
Crunchyroll confirmed for not watching anime.
>killing doujin culture
>nothing of value
Except for a load of careers that got started in the doujin scene.
>Also, do note that the Moe aesthetic in itself is generally not considered to be a sexual thing. Saying otherwise will hit the Fandom Berserk Button. That is not to say, of course, that Moe characters can never be sexually attractive, and indeed some aesthetics may deliberately blur the line, with varying amounts of creepiness.
From TV Tropes.
Now everything fan made will be threatened.
>you will never fuck a clock
Except things like Madoka do not come along every single year. Precure has been along for a little while now and Gundam is almost a relic at this point.
Most anime 'sexual' content happens to have teens and near adults. That's not underaged to begin with. And people confusing the moe term is retarded as well. Also despite all the complaint of sexual anime, only a few ecchi stuff come out each season.
Kill yourself out of /a/.
>Precure makes 700 million a year.
>Gundam makes 400 million per month.
Fixed that for you.
Sad panda would be lost. Do you really wan't that?
I don't care. If they are good they don't need derivative works to prove it. Make original doujins, it's not hard. Pretty much every industry works like that.
>Precure makes 700 million a year.
>I don't even think 'moe' is the selling point for anime
You don't even know how long I've been waiting for someone who actually has the same opinion as me(not quite same, but still).
I'm a fan of origianl hentai and don't like derivative doujins, so yes, I wouldn't care much.
Unless they can get away with selling the BD/DVDs for the same price they do in japan this will never happen
>According to Patrick W. Galbraith it means "a rarefied pseudo-love for certain fictional characters (in anime, manga, and the like) and their related embodiments." It is a pun derived from a Japanese word that literally means "budding," as with a plant that is about to flower, and thus it can also be used to mean "budding" as with a preadolescent girl. Since this word is also a homonym for "burning" pronounced moe, there is also speculation that the word stems from the burning passion felt for the characters.
so it's like sexualization but we don't call it sexualization because people would call us pedophiles and they'd be right
Well, if this is moe (sexualized cuteness), then please don't stop.
If it is not that hard, then why don't you make one right now?
What do you think is then?
Uploaders are probably already using vpns. I wouldn't worry about the uploaders. It's everyone else who doesn't know how to or can't protect themselves who are worried, such as street venders and doujin outlets.
There are plenty of original works on sad panda too.
>an action shounen is more popular than an action shounen on CR
>this means Japan doesn't like moe anymore
Why are people so fucking delusional?
Because I'm not an artist. Like I said, nothing would really change. Comiket would be more original I guess.
America has trouble remebering it isn't the centre of everything.
This image is moe.
Crunchyroll execs think it's sexual.
Well maybe its Ecchi, maybe its something else but I don't think it's really moe like a lot of people make it out to be. What would you say?
I think he's arguing against the guy who was claiming every website but /a/ uses moe to mean sexualized cuteness.
Based SnK and Naruto saving anime from moeshit.
Don't worry, they'll lose that attitude after China defeats them in WWIII.
People these days butchered every single meaning of words.
Everything that is supposed to be normal thing now treatend like something alien, hell I remember when people used to laugh at anyone who trying to apply real life logic to anime.
Why are we arguing over such stupid shit.
Wow, biggest idiot on /a/ all day
I hope you don't mean that completely braindead movies and tv shows we've been getting in recent years are 'serious'.
And that undead abominations that are western animated tv series isn't even worth mentioning.
>implying I wouldn't fug her
It's not only that, it's the logic behind SnK being more popular than Naruto --> moe is dead that I don't get.
Guess it's time to go to bed, sorry.
I too enjoy original hentai, but at the same time I also like it when the artists make something that fits really, really well in with the established characters personality.
An example of this would be "Secret Flowers".
Wait, what does nurutu have to do with moe?
Sorry m80s, definitions and etymologies are defined by the masses, not by knowledgeable minorities.
See moba as a videogame genre name.
Might as well go on /sp/ or /v/ and ask their opinion.
Moe has nothing to do with sexualization. Just because there is a fringe of that and the doujinshi market doesn't mean everybody is there for waifus. Sometimes people just want something cute instead of the dark and dreary (almost all of Hollywood and TV has the edge anyway).
It's true. Instead of Rei being fucked by random faceless men you'll get Rui (original character, do not steal) being fucked by random faceless men.
And frankly, I find doujinshi market mostly worthless.
I don't think ecchi is selling point as well.
In fact, I don't think there's any decent selling point as well, something you expect to sell not selling, something you don't actually is.
It means Naruto is moeshit.
Do you even crunchylogic?
Which shows in particular? You mean stuff like BBT or stuff like Walking Dead and Breaking Bad? I think the West is moving more towards The Sopranos style series considering its one of the best series ever. I never watch all that super hero movie shit let alone Western Cartoons.
That's why /a/'s definition overrides the definition of one person from that article.
treading awfully close to brony rhetoric there
There is no point speaking with you.
Just get out of /a/ you have no taste
But I want them to be raped and degraded.
He's talking about edgemsters who love violent stuff like hellsing/ berserk or some "classics" like bebop.
Please anon, don't speak to me about taste because you sound really pathetic.
you're thinking in connotations, basically regurgitating whatever the popular group thinks a word means instead of looking at the whole picture and concluding off of research the true meaning of a word.
Such as correlation does not imply causation, the mere fact that moe and sexuality are often used together, it does not imply that moe is indeed sexualized indefinitely.
That's a interesting picture because it separates the ones who watched Bakemonogatari and those who didn't.
Those who didn't watch it would go: "harhar, only fanservice" and those who did watch it would go: "yea, it had all of that".
>People in this thread denying that cute things can be sexualised
48% of the threads here are about fucking fictional characters.
If the people who want moe to mean sexualized cuteness push it hard enough that it enters public awareness there's nothing /a/ can do.
But there's a lot of original hentai there.
There's a caveat to that: Production costs are proportionally cheaper thanks to digital animation techniques, and shows are much shorter than they used to be. The late-night anime blocks also didn't take off until very late in the 90s.
You can make a lot of 1cour shows for the same cost as the 100+ episode ones that used to be common. Hell, even through like 2005, 2cour was more common than 1cour.
Now we make special note on when a show ISN'T 1cour.
48% is a pretty low estimate
>005 One Piece-------4.23%-------64,888,200,000
>006 PreCure series-------4.14%-------63,507,600,000
>011 Gundam series-------2.19%-------33,594,600,000
>025 Miku Hatsune-------0.73%-------11,198,200,000
>029 Neon Genesis Evangelion-------0.61%-------9,357,400,000
>035 Dragon Ball series-------0.50%-------7,670,000,000
>039 Madoka Magica-------0.43%-------6,596,200,000
>051 Natsume Yuujinchou-------0.34%-------5,215,600,000
>052 Tiger and Bunny-------0.33%-------5,062,200,000
>056 Fate series-------0.30%-------4,602,000,000
>067 Kuroko's Basketball-------0.23%-------3,528,200,000
>074 Detective Conan-------0.19%-------2,914,600,000
>080 Prince of Tennis-------0.15%-------2,301,000,000
>083 Persona series-------0.15%-------2,301,000,000
>087 Strike Witches-------0.13%-------1,994,200,000
>089 Jojo's Bizarre Adventure-------0.12%-------1,840,800,000
>100 Nanoha series-------0.10%-------1,534,000,000
Latest available data, for fiscal 2012 (april 2011 - march 2012).
Keep in mind it was a very bad year for Precure since Suite got raped by the tsunami.
Probably because you're a casual.
Breaking Butt is overrated shit.
Have you read the dialogue?
It's worse than western porn.
I think they are right.Well expect identifying moe as sexualized cuteness.I dont want girly girls doing girly things while being girly girls.I just want LoGH kinda stuff
>tfw we will never have logh kinda stuff
And it won't be deleted. Your point?
Everything can be sexualised does that make mecha "sexualised robotics"?
>>tfw we will never have logh kinda stuff
We get a fujobait anime every season.
Perhaps, but that and Game of Thrones is whats popular in the West these days.
This isn't about what is right or wrong. This is about macro-level semantics and if this gets pushed hard enough the definition will stick.
One of the best places to witness this is on wikipedia pages. I wouldn't be suprised if a wikidrone wasn't already changing the article on "moe" to include the definition.
No, probably because I'm not a dumb pervert who indulge only in otaku entertainment.
Neither is really about the sexualization at all actually. People wanting to make a connection will force the narrative anyway.
Sometimes I think that those people are not serious and are just trolling me.
The Japanese government is going to pillage and rape Akiba before 2020. Enjoy it while we can.
"Not all moe is sexualized"
-Osama bin Laden
Who invited the westaboo faggot in here? Biggest faggot in several days.
>Gintama made more money than Bakemono,JoJo, Persona , Conan and even Kuroko Basket
They are huge idiots. Anime was always very commercialized.
Yes, it is freedom. Freedom of your intellectual property being protected.
Now I understand why every amerifat is so scared of letting others know they watch anime. With retards like these that judge you.
Anyway who gives a fuck, it should be your life mission to educate those fuckers.
>implying shitty ass otaku "moe" culture is nothing more than thinly veiled fap material
>implying "sexualized cuteness" isn't the perfect translation under this context
Who in the flying fuck is scared of letting someone know what they like?
some people must really be in denial about their sexuality
you may not be in it for hardcore buttfucking, but you're in it for the "romance"
SnK isn't even anything new. There has always been purely action or drama or mystery based anime. Some anime during late 2000s and early 2010s had way darker shows than SnK.
Don't trust casuals and normies. They are speaking like they do not watch anime.
What? So you're just gonna tell them that for a grownup watching shows featuring little girls flashing pantyshots and kissing is normal?
>Taking away our moe
What the fuck are they thinking do they really want to end up like anno and gainax back in the 90's?
Mecha is usually defined by lasers, political intrigue, space and particle theories.
Moe is usually defined by a childlike innocence, cute characters (mostly female) and over the top slapstick animation.
I wonder which has the merits to be more sexualized.
I'm in it for the hardcore buttfucking after the romance, doubt I'm the only one.
Romance is not cuteness. Not even close.
what is rule 34
I'm not in denial. I know what I like. I don't like harems or ecchi. I like iyashikei and slice of life, which can be easily described as moe. That doesn't mean I want to fuck those girls. In fact they are very rarely sexualized.
Just because it can be sexualised doesn't mean it is defined by its sexualisation.
And we at manimex.com all laughing.
Sex is not abnormal. Go back to Tumblr in your anti sex fantasy land.
>hurr durr muh powerlevel
Litterally 90% of the userbase of /a/.
I'm italian and something like that has never come in my mind, you just don't go around like a retard telling everybody how good Naruto is.
Because everyone doesn't search "virgin teen" on youporn in the land of freedom, right? Stop being that retarded.
> people denying that moe has obvious sexual connotations
Saying it's not about sex because of an "official" definition won't change the facts on the ground you idiots
90s OVAs were violent as fuck and the reason why most parents were scared of their child getting into those "tentacle porn cartoons".
People acting like SnK's violence is somehow revolutionary are shitheads.
something much worse than moe is occurring right now
a bunch of shitty super power anime is drowning the anime industry
Well, /a/, how would you explain it to normals in three words or less?
The problem is that a lot of it is sexualised.
And if it isn't, other people make sure it is.
Strong platonic attraction.
Thank you for saving anime based Shingeki
So basically the industry is the same as it was two decades ago?
>protecting heartwarming innocence
Good job, you just defined anime.
I like this.
So the age of AAA anime is coming?
That's only two words.
I want the 90's back.
Keep your Sakura Trick.
It's just cute
Feeling so complicated
I think you're focusing on the wrong critera
Sex with little girls is abnormal. If you're so open about it, why don't you take a stroll down the street with sign reading 'I love having sex with little girls'.
I don't give a shit what the fuck they search for, you macaronian prick. The point is that watching such shows will never be acceptable by the majority of people, hence if you try to be honest about it, you'll be labeled a pedophile, which you basically are.
>"I hope mecha dies" - ANno
>we moe fans don't put fluorine in your water we swear
>kill all white people
I seriously love that image.
As long as that's her bra size, I'm all for it.
Most anime categotizally aren't sexualized, period. A small fraction can even be called borderline ecchi.
Plus, what the fans do is outside the industry. These are quantifiable facts.
Fuck the moeshit. I want manly characters.
Not until studios become international
But it is. That is why moe is so popular now-it's all about sex and fan service for otaku.
what are you gay or something
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Sex appeal isn't sex with little girls. Way to play strawman. Attraction to budding teens is normal. Americans call it jailbait for a reason.
Come on then. Moe a shit.
Would you watch moe in front of your mother?
Moe is popular now because cute things are popular in Japan.
Yes. It has no sexualization to speak of.
This is bullshit and we both know it. I'm sorry, but you are deluding yourself.
Wrong. Cute sells in Japan.
How is this a bad thing.
We get what we want and the companies profit.
The only people that are bootymad about this are retarded feminazis
Fucking good, I await the return of my strong independent grown women who don't need no man.
You. I approve of you and your methods.
But Kenshiro is moe.
I wouldn't watch any anime in front of my mother.
A lot of it is about highschool girls.
Fanservice is also a staple term for the industry.
Yes, but the moe trend is not meant to capture that market, at least not primarily. A lot of people on /a/ use that as an excuse, but anyone with a brain know that moe characters exist to be sexualized by otaku. It's not a secret, it's obvious to anyone with a brain.
I watched Golden Boy in front of my mother
Westaboos can get the fuck out.
I don't give a shit if they think I shouldn't watch what I watch.
> moe (sexualized cuteness)
Please tell me this isn't bait. first "Kawaii moe" and than "moe (sexualized cuteness)
I hope anime continues being a niche hobby in the west. I feel the stupid infecting people.
Nah, you're going to get your weak insecure men who need as many other men as they can get.
My cute girls don't need men either. In fact most of them have homosexual tendencies.
>Nobuyoshi Kurita, sociology professor at Musashi University in Tokyo, says cute is a "magic term" that encompasses everything that's acceptable and desirable
Wow that's deep
I'm guessing you liked that shit?
What's the problem exactly?
HBO series are pretty much porn an no one cares. GoT had naked little girls and underage girls getting raped.
I'm not saying it's good or bad, I'm saying that everyone saying that the "moe" craze is just about cuteness is full of shit.
Of course someone with CR says the most utter retarded shit.
Moe sells and the public/people buy which is why studios make more.
Don't see the big deal of a certain genre selling because people love to buy it.
how does it feel to know that not enough people like your shit to bother producing it anymore?
enjoy reliving nostalgia for the rest of your life.
And by people, you mean Otaku.
The keyword is jail. Anyway, if you evince your powerlevel even when you're not a closet pedophile you're still a fucking faggot who should kill himself.
In the US, you should be particularly wary of the consequences and possible sexual harassment claims and subsequent legal disputes, if you like talking about sex, or what you're talking about is tangentially related to sex, especially sex with little girls, even if it's not even implied.
And anime is like that for 40 years.
They just called it Kawaii before.
People made fun of GoT for that though. Did you see the south park episode?
not the same guy but I liked all of that shit, it just added to the enjoyment really.
I used to watch the Adult Swim anime block with my mom and sister, back when they were first showing stuff like FLCL and Cowboy Bebop. There was some moe mixed in there.
Sage for blogshit.
Something being about highschools girls don't automatically make it fanservicey. Especially when the majority don't have anything sexual of note and even if they do, it's censored beyond belief. Moe in its current form is just cuteness as far as the industry goes. Anything else is in fan work territory.
You are wrong
The age of manime is back (SnK, Space Dandy, Nobunagun)
>Sociology professor gives his meaning on a word
>Moe is usually defined by a childlike innocence, cute characters (mostly female) and over the top slapstick animation.
Moe is defined by that tight feeling you get in your chest whenever you listen to Alice and Shino speak Engrish to each other. It's that warm fuzzy feeling you get when you hear Renge's nyan-pasu~. It's the cute funniness of Venera-sama ordering someone around like a bossy eight-year-old. It's the smile you feel yourself make involuntarily when you watch Tsukiko dote upon little Yokodera.
If you look at that cute, innocent, idealized behaviour and can only respond with sexual arousal, you're worse than a lolicon. If you don't understand that what I've described is moe, if you can't feel any pleasure from so-called 'moeshit' beyond raw arousal, if you can't enjoy anime for the sweet and childish medium it is and has always been, you should go back to /co/ or /tv/ and discuss your rehashed comedies and fucked up gore-porn drama.
Thinking cartoons are cute has nothing to do with pedophilia. Even pedophilia has nothing to do with predatorial criminals. This is just the facts.
>Space Dandy, Nobunagun
>both are bombing harder than Hiroshima and Nagasaki
1/10 made me respond
Only if I had a job because that way she couldn't say anything.
But yes, I guess.
>Sociology professor explains social behaviour
I'd rather have both.
Well it was about time japanese fans started to get fed up with the moe clone phenomenon.
"Eat shit, Yamakan."
—Confucius, "The Art of War"
Hey, man, fucked up gore-porn drama is a part of anime, too.
OH YES MY QUEEN!
No, that would be Space Dandy and eventually Stardust Crusaders.
Game of Thrones is just as bad.
It uses sex to hold the viewers attention during plot exposition, sex for the sake of being mature, rape for the sake of adding character development.
They use it to hold the viewer in.
Moe is nothing new. 70s anime had it. Most kiddies here won't remember it.
wanna protect it
At the rate it's going SD ain't saving anything. They should step up their game.
>“The market is probably half of what it was in 2007"
It's interesting that this coincides with how incredible a year 2007 was. There was a chart thread yesterday and I forgot how many great shows aired then.
Sex isn't a bad thing you fucking prude. GoT especially is not meant to be a handholding fairytale. Go watch SAO.
>of a certain genre
H-Here we go!
>moe is dying
>SnK and Naruto
Meanwhile in Japan they celebrate a mainstream event with some classy moe.
How did you know it was this episode
>At the rate it's going SD ain't saving anything.
Not yet it ain't. we've only seen Character designs and a teaser.
Wait until the 1st episode airs and watch the pre-orders climb.
Most people consider cartoons something only a kid, or a complete failure at life would enjoy. Which is why you're bound to get laughed at or otherwise ridiculed if you inadvertently blurt out you watch cartoons, especially with little girls, because that alone is already a red flag that signals the people around you that you pose a threat.
There's nothing really wrong with it, it's just that it floods the market and studios feel they need to adhere to those staples to help a series in its popularity/accessibility.
Even if you had a whole season of Fate/Zero's and Madoka's, you'd still most likely have to wade through a lot of average shows designed to cash in on those previous successes.
Is that Yama no Susume?
>Crunchyroll actually believes they can actually influence what is produced.
They are almost as deluded as their subscribers who think they are supporting the industry through their subscription.
It's interesting that this coincides with the recession.
Isn't that in every episode?
2007 was the DVD era in full swing. It's picking up again thanks to Bluray. But Aniplex and its shitty price schemes will hamper growth
The man is right. Gotta think of the rights of all the imaginary cosmic horror little girls.
No seriously, America is basically a big giant pile of contradictions. They can't get over the idea of sex and like to believe themselves righteous, yet their celebrities and culture are full of trash and sluts. They also want to defend the rights of imaginary children overseas, while forgetting that schoolkids in US junior highs are even more precocious and sexually active than most anime that barely goes beyond 2 senior highschoolers holding hands.
No seriously America, you're a backwards and hypocritical theocracy.
care to elaborate on the presence of homostuck?
>especially with little girls, because that alone is already a red flag that signals the people around you that you pose a threat.
jokes on you
the conditions of my parole include that I don't go near little girls
Space Dandy has started, what are you on about?
Good fucking taste.
That's what freedom is about, contradictions. As illogical as it sounds, it is logical.
>Anime is dead
Most people don't. A lot more people are receptive to it than you say. All you are spewing is the same shit non anime fans say to bait conversation. Go back to /v/
Why are the seats so empty
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Fate Zero and Madoka both were riding on past successes more than any other type of show.
>it's a short before Von Trier's Nymphomaniac
Solution: Call it Cutesy Pandering Shit (cpshit) rather than moeshit.
Are you new to /a/ or something? This is business as usual.
I meant cartoons with little girls, not talking about cartoons with little girls. Both of them will land you in slammer, though.
Why would even fucking bring that up?
>hurr guys, did you know that I watch cartoons? DUUR
It's but attention whoring and superior faggotry that warrant death penalty.
It is what is.
I'm saying they use it for shock appeal, when there's always a better way of using sex as a plot point than just pasting it onto a screen to pander to people's instincts.
Ah, never mind. thought you were referring to Stardust Crusaders.
>showing Yama no Susume before Nymphomania
to what end
>/a/ obsesses over the term "sexualized cuteness"
>aware of the fact that moe is clearly a cancer. No excellent quality shows are being produced
>don't want to be aware so they obsess over the term "sexualized cuteness"
Stop making excuses. You know the truth. Or maybe you are all too dim-witted to realize just how much trash anime is being produced?
Everything takes inspiration from what came before it, the point is these shows do it well.
Do you like to live in fear for no reason at all?
Who fucking cares if they think anime is for children? Just tell them "Faggot watch Jin Roh and then watch the last Disney movie, then return to me and we can talk again" and they will shut their mouth for good wether they do that or not. Why do you give stupid people that much importance?
Why is anyone responding to you seriously? You sound like an insecure retard autist. The jail? Okay. You just buried your own argument.
I made a thread about how shit threads like this should be banned and that thread got deleted by the mod.
And now this shit appears!
WHAT THE FUCK /a/? Can't you be more anti-defener like /mu/ and /co/ for once?
Who does the money go to?
This is rather true. I don't like little kids at all. My 2 year old niece is adorable, though. Probably the first time I've payed attention to a kid more than 2 seconds and walked out. And that took time to get over.
Seriously, people are retarded in the US. It's ok. I went to one con (Otakon this past summer) and it's virtually impossible to talk to people on a critique level. It's either character circlejerking (just qualities, not what they did, etc) or how much they hate teh show for one reason.
The US cannot into grey areas. At all. This is why moe is such a hard concept.
There are reason people think you guys are all pedophilia
Not everyone is a pedo, watching cartoons as a whole is frowned upon.
There is nothing wrong with 'pandering' a dark, unrepentant show. You are talking about periphery demographic and sheep who can't make up their own minds.
Quick, name your top three anime of the past ten years and your top three overall
But we are actually still somewhat on topic. And we actually know our content (unlike /mu/)
>No excellent quality shows are being produced
ALL MOE CHINESE CARTOONS ARE EXCELLENT YOU FAGGOT
>it's virtually impossible to talk to people on a critique level. It's either character circlejerking (just qualities, not what they did, etc) or how much they hate teh show for one reason.
Sounds like /a/.
Spoken like a true normie American. Enjoy being fooled into thinking animation is only for kids. Idiots like you helped kill the cartoon industry in America.
One of the luckiest bastards who went from your typical Anime website to an official one.
Look at the other picture you idiots.
You clearly haven't ever been to the US.
More like the US spreading their cancerously bad copyright laws onto everyone else because of Hollywood lobbyism.
I'm not saying that copyright protection is a bad thing. I'm just saying that the American laws for it are shit.
But /mu/ is not filled with "RAP IS DEAD"/"DAE MISS QUEEN" threads every fucking day.
They delete that shit. Do the same, /a/!
This is a shit thread, but still technically within the rules. meta threads are more obviously shit so they get deleted faster Also stop trying to make "defener" happen, nobody knows what you're talking about unless they're already familiar with the music defener shit
I've never gotten why people think "moe" is such a problem. They talk like it's some big, well-known problem that affects everyone and actively makes anime worse. Like do they think if whatever the fuck they think moe is stopped existing studios would just magically start pouring out amazing shows? It would just be poorly done whatever the fuck is popular instead of what is popular now. And preferring poorly done anime of one kind over poorly done anime of another kind is just personal taste, it's not some kind of absolute fact.
And I never intend to. Thank fucking god for that.
>Sounds like /a/.
No, no, on /a/ it's only USUALLY impossible to talk on critique level. That's why we are still here.
But Rap IS dead.
Bullshit. 2013 is was an amazing year for rap.
I was talking about japan, you dicknut. Do some fucking research, go to Japan and see for yourself how it is socially unacceptable to indulge in watching anime, just like it is in the US.
Fucking weebs thinking every adores and accepts you as a fucking neckbeard animu lover. Grow the fuck up and face facts.
Maybe this helped it get the 15 minute anime this summer.
Because fucking America and their need to over sensationalize and over dramatize every single issue. Everything must be a crisis or a major problem.
See: War on Terror, War on Drugs, Video Game Violence etc, etc etc.
Does he maybe think moe is a genre? Why do people hate cute things?
>being forced to talk about Naruto or Attack on Titan as a starting block
>know little to nothing about either (save the first 10 or so of titans)
I suppose I can't also talk to people about shows with knowing what kind of person they are. I'm actually wise enough to not look like a retard towards people.
That's only because it distracts from work ethic, which Nips have dicks up their assholes about. If they weren't such fucking hagglers, I'm sure it would be a bit more ok and their birth rates wouldn't nearly be as shit. Maybe not so much the anime bit, but it might be a bit better.
Murrican thing to fear, hate and berate the unknown, except for god. That's ok.
Americans are just like the retarded spics who think anime should be like whatever was imported during their childhood and get mad when Japan makes anything that isn't exactly the same as it.
It's considered acceptable as long as you do your job and live a balanced life. Flaunting any hobby is not considered considerate not just anime. It has nothing to do with being unaccepted. But sure, keep buying into these negative fantasies of yours.
Some people think /a/ is stubborn and elitist, and even if they are, people haven't lurked well enough to realize how much you feel at home here.
It's like going to Comiket and meeting your rival doujin circle.
That's just people falling for and listening to sensationalist media.
There's no point in rational thought in new programs, you need to socially divide and shun certain opinions.
Because pedophilia. You're virtually committing a crime when you watch shows with loli in it.
Because cute things are not manly and men have to protect their manly image.
Hating cute things is a way to say "hey! Look at how manly I am!".
Average man: "If I like cute things that means I'm gay! I don't wanna be gay!"
Average woman: "He likes cute things? What a loser! I'm never having sex with that guy!"
>I will use others standards and will not think with my head
the bible is full of little girl sex, so it must be normal
Hollywood is small fries, the real people that want 1,000 year long Intellectual Property protection are Big Pharmaceuticals because medicine makes mad dosh, and Monsanto Corp what with their supervillain-esque agenda of monopolizing global food production and suing any farmer whose field was even accidentally inseminated with MUH TERMINATOR SEEDS
Virtual =Real. Got it.
You are stupid beyond measure.
It's hopeless man. Many people are the under impression that rap is dead after the 90s. Wait, hold on a second. That's exactly what the majority of people think about anime.
>A lot of people on /a/ use that as an excuse, but anyone with a brain know that moe characters exist to be sexualized by otaku. It's not a secret, it's obvious to anyone with a brain.
You've already decided that moe is about sex, anon. Why are you even bothering to ask us? Are you hoping we'll ignore years of experience with the medium and with Japanese culture and suddenly agree with you? That we'll forget that moeshit was just as big in the 80s and 90s as it is now? Do you think that you've realized something noone else here has and that if you keep rephrasing the same argument over and over, we'll suddenly realize you're right?
Each and every person here has had this debate before, except perhaps you. We all know there are characters in anime that are designed to be sexualized. This is not new. However, there are also characters that are designed to be cute. You need to understand that humanity's attraction to cute things isn't inherently sexual. Animals are cute. Children are cute. Innocence and pure-mindedness is cute. Just because some people find some of these things arousing doesn't mean they've been added to appeal to those people.
You are in effect arguing that manga like Yotsuba& are h-manga in sheep's clothing, that they sell not because people enjoy the cute and innocent Yotsuba and her interactions with the world, but because they give pedophiles boners.
I know you like to think you've thought about this, but you haven't. You've picked this manufactured argument up from Reddit or Facebook or some other source of pre-manufactured 'ideas', and you've just been rephrasing your argument without actually testing it against reality. You claim that moe is a recent thing, but if you actually looked at what shows aired each year, you'd know your argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny. In fact, I'll post some charts so you can see for yourself, and if you think you can still salvage your argument afterwards I'd love to hear it.
I feel like I'm among casuals and sexual deviants. I don't really think many people here are big fans of anime.
What does enjoying cute things have to do with pedophilia? This is retarded.
>would be a bit more ok and their birth rates wouldn't nearly be as shit
>let's make watching anime that further distances people from reality in order to overcome decreasing birthrates crisis
What the fuck are you talking about?
It's not considered acceptable. Not in the slightest, you might as well bid adieu to your job, friends and social status, if someone finds out you watch anime.
>It's like going to Comiket and meeting your rival doujin circle.
That was the best comparison I've ever heard of /a/.
Sadly, you need to include the other 99% of retarded circles too.
Americans don't even understand their government pushing pro military and cop drama everywhere isn't extremely suspicious when they are now a police state and their chief business is military industry and operations.
This would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. Demonizing the cute and/or sexy has been in the equation all along
Why do americans have such a double standard?
Why is sex or moe wrong but ultra violence is ok?
Same deal with vidya. Jack Thompson gets treated as a joke for linking violence with vidya games but then a feminist comes as long as does pretty much the same thing and she gets put on a pedestal.
But people who made shit thread like this (aka OP) are LITERALLY the definition of a "defener"
Why does feminism get put on a pedestal at all?
Because America is fucking retarded.
>Sadly, you need to include the other 99% of retarded circles too.
That would be the casuals who also discovered this board.
Where did I say anything about anything being virtual? Are you struggling to comprehend the meaning of 'virtually'?
I'm saying japan is creating several social and economic problems by being hagglers about work ethic. Because of that, they are pretty much fucking themselves over. I'm also saying social acceptance of anime might not be nearly as bad if they weren't so socially retarded.
Wrong. It's perfectly fine. You are confusing hikkikomori tendencies to healthy anime fandom. You have no idea how it is. I came from Japan to begin with.
The only people that put feminist on a pedestal is feminazis on tumblr. And that website certainly isn't exclusive to Americans. You are retarded and very misinformed.
There people here are intelligent, it's just that no one really discusses anything.
People post things they know they'll get a response or rise out of, which is usually sexually oriented things or memetic ideas from shows.
You are the one pushing false equivalency here. Funny you complain now that people call you out on it.
>My 2 year old niece is adorable, though.
A lot of child molestation is in-the-family, probably because potential pedophiles are forced into contact with them by family and allow themselves to get too accustomed or even become infatuated.
Be careful that you don't trick yourself into doing something you regret as she gets older starts to look like one of your cute 2D lolis, anything you do will only end up hurting her when she grows up and enters society proper.
It's not fine, you delusional weeb. In people's minds watching anime is already tantamount to being a hikki, even if that's not really true.
Meanwhile there's like 10 cute girls doing x things shows this season and nnb and is2 outsold everything last season
The west flat out doesn't matter
>The only people that put feminist on a pedestal is feminazis on tumblr.
You don't step out of 4chan much.
>People post things they know they'll get a response or rise out of, which is usually sexually oriented things or memetic ideas from shows.
People who do this certainly aren't very intelligent. And you exaggerate. We have plenty normal threads about anime. Usually just one or two people shitpost with this "I want to fuck X" nonsense.
Instead of making a irrelevant claim why don't you provide a point where feminist are "put on a pedestal"?
Wrong. So very wrong. Politicians pander to extremist social agenda groups all the time. Mainstream media is almost entirely controlled by extreme liberals. Hollywood is social justice country. Gaming media panders hare for feminists. Social media sites are SJW nations. You are playing dumb or you are incredibly naive.
Maybe he just doesn't live in one of the major liberal cities.
Google 'virtually', you fucking dumbshit, shut the fuck up and go back to ESL.
Once again, not providing an actual case where they are pandering to feminists.
You are wrong. Nobody thinks that at all. Stop listening to the bullshit people spew out just because you want your negative assumptions to be true. You are just wrong.
I plan pushing myself away from my family for the most part. I don't like physical contact with people in general anyway.
>I like X Show
I have a real discussion
>I hate x Show
I look for ways to bait responses
If people contained themselves to their own preferred shows this board wouldn't look nearly as shit. It's people who want to troll that make the board look shitty. I don't mind sometimes. Sometimes it is asked for after stupid shit. (ie. NNB wars or SAO2 as recent examples)
It often gets pretty circular, the same arguments being brought over and over by the new people. The other variant is again with that geomentric figure: that is to say, circlejerking.
But yeah, both have a small amount of good discussion at the core.
Yamakan has always like moe.
Where the fuck does yamakan hates moe myth come from?
Fractale is just ghibli with moe artstyle.
BRS came from a miku spinoff. Everyone know miku only sells because of her twintails and cute PV and not because of her music.
Your false equivalency if your entire argument. Keep playing cute semantic games. It's adorable.
Yes, everybody thinks like that. It's not socially acceptable. End of story.
People who come to Japan should bear in mind that mentioning anime is strictly forbidden, unless you want to be labeled a weeb.
Don't bing u facts in here! Ducking nerd.
Do your own research.
By my count, there are only around 3 "pure" CGDCTs and a shit ton of harem/romance/action shows
No one would think Yotsuba& is a moe manga in japan
Moe actually has some kind of style, and that art style is popular in otaku and ero game
Learn how to make a good argument you dumbfuck.
There are certain shows that you dislike some aspects of, and that after discussing said aspects and getting the toxins out of your system, so to speak, you can enjoy the show more.
Who tells someone to do research when they are asking for a example? You can't even give me an actual example of what you are talking about. How funny.
1994. If more people had these charts maybe these 'anime is in decline' assholes wouldn't go so long without being shown for the trolls and idiots they really are.
Nope. Keep saying weeb though. Just shows you just want to bait.
Was just an example. I tend to lurk more than anything.
Gee anon, I used to think that people only said that as an excuse when they realized they couldn't back up what they said
> Moe actually has some kind of style
Take a load of this ignorant and his faggotry.
He means you're running the virtual risk of getting thrown in virtual prison and getting virtually reamed by a big virtual guy named Bubba
Oh, yeah. I just felt like mentioning that side too.
How can anyone seriously say that shows like Kiniro Mosaic or NNB are sexual? If that is the only thing you think when you see these shows you're way more fucked up than most viewers.
Yes it is. Japs love making fun of morons who love japan because of cartoons. There even is a show for that, well I can't blame them, neckbeards are fucking pathetic and were born to be made fun of.
It's such a pervasive issue, there isn't one or two examples. And I'm lazy. If you want to know more about it, you're better off finding just how prevalent it is yourself.
It's not virtual, it's real. The anime is real, you are real, which means the crime is also real. That's enough at least for a probable cause.
>what are yuri undertones
Some people have no control of themselves. Same with fujos pairing guys that have no place being paired. Somebody is bound to do some kind of pairing or sexualizing.
>Anime is real
I think more peole really don't care. It's only the psychotic autists they care to nake fun of.
Didn't watch Kiniro Mosaic, but NNB as a whole was more aware of their sexuality than Sketchbook for example. I mean, yeah, compared to your typical show they cannot possibly be labeled as sexual, but they were within one normal deviation in that direction in the group of iyashi-kei. At least for me.
>How can anyone seriously say that shows like Kiniro Mosaic or NNB are sexual?
I kid, anon
But seriously, 10 years old
>The anime is real,
>you are real
So you'd think.
Are you saying this as a joke?
Well, let's see. Anime is a video, the video is a collection of bits, bits in turn are a collection of electrical signals, electrical signals are real.
You brain is composed of electrons and constantly generates electricity, thoughts - electricity, electricity is real.
Didn't NNB keep denying sexuality though? And in the middle school age, the girls were on cusp of puberty.
I know what this thread needs.
yes I love you for this
90% of this board are degenerates who couldn't have an intelligent though to save their lives. If you don't think your panty flashin 4 ft deer eyed 11yo girl drivel is 'sexualised cuteness' you should off yourself right now.
1998. I don't have a chart for 1997.
What is freedom of speech
What is freedom of expression
What is freedom of creativity
>Results of growth hormones in city drinking water.
What more evidence does one need?
If it's not real, how come you're able see it?
By that logic we can arrest people for playing GTA or arrest an actor for trying kill someone on a TV show
>I'll never have a virtual girlfriend so real that the state acknowledges our marriage.
I know it's just played for laughs
Even Aria, YKK and Hidamari were more sexual.
God please grant me the strenght not to be corrupted by this immoral sexual filth.
saaa. Explaining my own head is way more difficult than explaining a show.
Anime has so much variety now compared to decades ago, it's crazy. People may not believe me for saying it but there are a lot of male character dominated shows and even shows pandering to fangirls. There are always a fair share of seriousminded shows airing at any given moment.
The industy is way healthier than even anime fans may think it is. And what kind of retard takes a misinformed westaboo seriously?
Pretty much, I'm surprised they haven't thought of it, yet. It's still only probable cause, though.
1999. Last one, you should get the idea.
Thanks, anon. I feel happier already.
Huh, 1998 actually had some really good shows.
Shit, 1998 stepped it up.
>If it's real, how come you're unable to see air?
You see it that way just because you are projecting your closeted perversion anon.
Well, the most obvious one would be how they fucked the US recovery process.
How are you doing Stalin?
Get reported. Bye.
>let me generalize everything
>people can't enjoy things on a simple level
>everything must be DEEP
Promptly fuck off.
How Can Anime Be Real When Our Eyes Aren't Real?
YKK yeah, Aria and Hidamari no. Uh, I dunno, actually, Honeycomb may have been more sexualized. Aria was just pure relationships, not sure there was any sex in the equation.
lmao not even close
And there was sex in NNB? Do you think Hotaru's crush was about sex?
I think you mean The constitution
> I laugh when the accusation is 100% correct lolol
I dare one of you to give an example of an non-sexualised moeshit
Anyone can write a book, retard
Almost all of them.
Do you know that the colors you see are not real, right?
How can we do that when there's no such thing as moeshit?
I hate moeshit just as much as you do but you are still retarded to completely miss the point of his post.
>heavy criticism against anime because it's too sexualized
>your standard high profile TV show or hollywood blockbuster always has nudity, sex, and kissing
his opinion didn't agree with mine better report
>"We need to rebuild not only concrete and steel bridges but also human bridges."
Hahaha what the fuck. I'll like to see how they can drive trucks delivering food and things over their so called human bridges.
Being academically qualified and being a retard are not exclusive terms.
Otherwise we would be hearing any bullshit academic feminists have to say.
I know what this thread REALLY needs.
Forgot the image, oops.
Not really, it's just a somewhat more complete chart IIRC. If you included movies, for instance, 1995 would have GitS and 'Memories', which I haven't watched but looks super interesting.
I know what this thread REALLY needs
All colors aren't real except for RGB.
b-but animated works can only be for kids.
Think of the Children anon.
the western world thinks that if you find something cute you want to fuck it, only applies to males though
Flaming and baiting and insulting. Legitimate opinions? Really?
am I dreaming that it's 2014 or
This is not what true moefags like. This goes completely against Kiniro Mosaic's spirit. It's worthless shit drawn by people who profit on porn-obsessed otaku. They aren't real fans.
This mindset is quite scary, do these anti-moe people actually want to fuck things they see as cute?
There's no other reason for cute things to exists, if it's not for fucking it.
>being this insecure about your own opinions
>90% of this board are degenerates who couldn't have an intelligent though to save their lives.
>nearly 80 percent of jobs lost had been held by men
>"human infrastructure"--health, education, and government--had increased by more than half a million since December 2007
>still complains for there not being enough done for women
What the fuck am I reading!?
Oh, and remember that NNB troll dumping R-18 doujinshi of Komari.
Nah, that's just how you perceive them.
Cute is a form of beauty valuable by itself.
Doesn't need to be sex related but it may.
O hai same fag. Yeah, baiting isn't an opinion. Sorry.
Anime isn't saved until Masaaki Yuasa makes a new show.
>not reading the VN
>excited that violent shows like Attack on Titan are popular
>meanwhile, Grandpa Tomino is sickened by the series' glorification of violence
>Why don't westerners just turn to their own cartoon industries whose morality is compatible with western ideology?
Even cute things like kittens and puppies?
Stop raping people with your evil cisprivileged rationality. It doesn't matter that our infrastructure is literally rotting away as we watch it, we need more goodfeels enforcers because affirmative action is the only answer to every problem.
Cuteness invokes desire, desire invokes lust, lust leads to brutal anal rape.
I'll do that as well
Yes, we usually care about the original manga, non-h doujinshi and so on. You care about what? Erotic fanart and porn.
are you actually this new
I wasn't even pretending that wasn't me
>meanwhile, Grandpa Tomino is sickened by the series' glorification of violence
To be fait I'm pretty sure Tomino hates just about everything right now.
They are that much of degenerates.
When I see something cute I want to vore it, I swear. Freud was right.
Anti-moe people sure are a scary bunch.
> desire invokes lust
But lust is no necessarily sexual though. Read the definition of the word.
Why cant we care about all anime has to offer
Is this fucking implying that Naruto is "moeshit"?
That's a lot of implications about me with very little to base them on.
>desire invokes lust
>>“In the United States, perhaps the worst (for anime) is in the rearview mirror now,” says author and translator Frederik L. Schodt. “The market is probably half of what it was in 2007,” he admits, “but the fan base still seems dedicated and even growing.
Every anime website posts articles from butthurt authors crying about how anime doesn't cater to Americans and offends them with ecchi and moe. Are Americans so fucking self-entitled that they think they should have more say in how foreign media is made than the natives of the nation where said media is made?
>hates just about everything right now
Also known as becoming old.
I think I've found the source of all autism
No, its implying that Naruto and SnK are "good"
Tomino hates himself foremost. Why haven't he killed himself yet?
What? Anime doesn't offer this. Derivative works that are barely related to the show offer this. Are there important male characters in the show? No. Is there sex in the show? No. The show is about innocent relationships between 5 girls. Nothing more.
>Tomino hates himself foremost
What a bro.
I think he's just mad producers don't give him money to write, animate and finally kill bitches.
Alright I meant the culture then
He's a translator, of course he feels self-entitled. His poorly-chosen job literally depends on it.
>Are Americans so fucking self-entitled that they think they should have more say in how foreign media is made than the natives of the nation where said media is made?
Yeah, yeah I know, go back to /v/.
No shit. Western bloggeres and journalists and anyone who makes a living being entitled pricks do this often. The blatantly wrong definition of moe is a dead giveaway
moe is gangsta
- Being obese
- Black music
Cuteness invoke "I want to protect her smile"
how's that lust beast ?
You are right, vidya journalism is even worse. I remember Destructoid putting out an article about how Senran Kagura is child porn years before it got a western release.
It's like America is frightened of their own genitalia while embracing brutal violence.
Or in our case, to five minutes of beating it off.
At least Anime isn't mainstream enough for shit like this to happen to us, right?
It feels like it's coming thanks to SNK and Free. But who knows.
Even if it does happen it would change nothing. Japanese studios won't give a fuck about what the western world thinks.
There's a culture war going on between the brainwashed masses who find violence entertaining and intimacy disgusting, and the other brainwashed masses (us) who find intimacy entertaining and violence disturbing.
There was a point in the '60s where it looked like we were going to turn the tables (e.g. the 'free love' movement, real feminism, the anti-war movements, the whole counterculture of the period), but then (as always) the old fuckers in power at the time didn't like the idea of a new generation having new ideals and responded with brutal crackdowns on protests, clandestine attacks via the FBI, the war on drugs (which was designed to send a message to hippies, not to stop people from hurting themselves) and so on.
The old fuckers are always the ones that like violence. You don't get money and power with hugs and friendship, and you don't buy medicine and lifestyles that keep you alive and healthy past 60-70-80 without money. If you've ever seen the internal message boards of political parties, you'll note that the 'radical commie/libertarian nutjob' parties tend to behave a lot like /a/, whereas the major left/right-wing parties act a lot like /b/ and /pol/, complete with shitposters and organized trolling.
Watch it yourself
I sure hope SJWs don't worm their way into both offical and fan translation groups
Because you are a PEDOPHILE, this is what shounenfags/retards think.
What about those of us who love both intimacy and violence?
That's been an issue for some time in vidya because of SA Goons.
What if i like violence and cute things at separate times
Fans of cute shows shouldn't be mixed up with lolicons and those retards obsessed over little sisters. They are usually just dumb haremfags and I find calling their shows 'moe' insulting.
As if sub groups could get any worse when we already have to deal with the likes of commie
It could be worse. Imagine an SJW Commie release, where they change everything to be 'politically correct'.
>I remember Destructoid putting out an article about how Senran Kagura is child porn years before it got a western release.
And then there's this classic.
>desire invokes lust
I guess when I'm craving a cream bun, it means I want to fuck it raw, right?
That would be just as expected of commie
The culture that you idolize is the former from which that this from Idols creates generative reports from the iterative numeration of idols from there this goes from to the upper extremes by an anime industry so lesser so this discord is that not which makes us great?
What would happen if these people were the ones behind subbing anime?
Americans are fucking dumb, they mix up moe with ecchi and loli hentai.
Please, someone, go in the most crowded square in LA and NY, make a moe booth and educate those retards.
Western anime journalists literally have made careers on bashing anime. ANN, Japanator, and shitaku do this nonstop. Femnazi bullshit has only empowered them. That won't change until retards fuck off an find a new hobby, if ever.
Fortunately, none of this has any influence on the industry. At the worst, a few studios may toss out a few titles for westerners like they did during the 90's-early 2000's western anime bubble. (The Big O's second season as an example). Any influence will be miniscule at best and evaporate once America lets the fad pass like everything else.
so why do people keep giving money to crunchyshit again?
Are you even watching anime? I don't recall there being harems of lolis, and the few little girls who do appear in harem anime are usually just "token lolis" who never win.
He's right, though. Lolicon and pedo are just buzzwords to make something look bad.
You can't truthfully tell me you've never had the fleeting urge to stick your penis inside one of these babies.
Are you high, or are you on Google Translate?
Subbing takes too much effort. People like those can't handle anything more than whining from the comfort of their seat.
Anime does that quite a bit as well. There are lots of ecchi/moe shows with action and violence. They just don't get into the "buckets of blood" shit like they used to do in the 80's that Americans get their dicks hard over.
Where the fuck are your comas faggot?
Impossible. Retards like those (including those shitty anime "journalists and writers") only have the time to bitch and will never put in the effort into actually subbing anime. Hell, just learning enough moon to translate would be beyond them.
Stop sexualizing cream buns, you sicko. Cream buns have feelings too. Replace cream buns with drawings.
They'd never achieve green on nyaa and will be consigned to the ashes of forgotten subbers
How can they watch that tiny screen with their slanted eyes
>Subbing takes too much effort.
Takes less effort than translating TITS:SC.
>yfw Crunchyroll hires them to fight the sexualization of cuteness
It's weird for me to say this considering that I browse 4chan, but if you have the instinct to stick your dick into everything, you might have some problems and probably should go and see a shrink or something.
Ro-Kyu-Bu! is the only thing I can think of that is close, but I'm sure there are more.
But yes, equating lolicon and haremfag is fucking stupid, because most of the time you are exactly right.
I read and enjoy both guro and slice of life manga
Fuck you. Now I want to eat one.
I'll never be able to play this song on IIDX the same ever again, thanks.
It's a perfectly good cream bun. I could eat it and enjoy the meal. Why would I ruin it by sticking my dick into it?
Because he's just one of those idiots who can't control his libido.
What happens if SJWs infiltrate and take over existing groups?
There's nothing wrong with experimenting.
I'm not that guy, but it's not like I'll ever get the real thing, so I may as well try everything else.
Well i don't really care as long as there are at least some watchable shows for me in every season.
and arguing about this is just stupid, people are different with different taste you can't convince everyone to like and hate what you do or to see things as you see /a/nons
What a fucking retard. A disgrace to the human race.
Subbers that don't agree either kick them out or leave and form a new group. Either that or /a/ will finally be motivated to properly learn Japanese.
SJW's are only capable of twisting facts and jumping to outrageous conclusions. They could never possibly sit down long enough to learn another language and do anything constructive.
But pointing out blatant stupidity is still important and sometimes necessary.
>tw moeshit is on its way out
We are truly approaching a Golden Age of anime.
>most people in the audience are women
they know Moe show is not a money maker
who the fuck want to watch cute girls
it's hard for plebs and normalfag to see any good from this show
not like nurutu and SnK, they can put it on their shitty pay for view channel. make them scream this is the best Animu. and cash flooding their pocket
they use moe is dangerous excuse and think will backfiring the industry to make more shounen and Screaming animu
as expected from jewsroll
Don't worry about that.
>What happens if SJWs infiltrate and take over existing groups?
/a/ learns Japanese and we watch RAWs only, so that we can shun sub users.
So we will become just like /jp/?
This, especially since that retardation is widespread. Saying you enjoy anime outside of shonen and edgy grimdark shit on any other anime community is practically a crime anywhere outside of /a/.
/jp/ is full of people who don't know Japanese.
/jp/ doesn't understand japanese, silly anon
Sure, we'd have to be "Weaponized /a/" or back to "Animu & Mango"
No. we will become /jap/
By /jp/ I mean the VN threads in /jp/.
I think moe is okay but when you get many anime every season mainly about cute girls doing cute things it is cancer that kills anime.
Please. Not every show every season is about cute girls doing cute things.
Hardly any compared to action or harem
Stop being stupid.
>Strong, female characters not defined by their sexuality, like in Trails in the Sky
I can't believe people pay attention to someone who bases his opinions of Japanese games on heavily localized and filtered translations.
And yet you somehow missed the long series of posts in this thread with charts of 90's anime that proves you wrong. Thanks for stopping by, you can go back to /v/ now.
Anime has always been like that, you fucking plebeian. Look at the charts posted in this thread, fucking Christ.
At least wait for a new thread before deleting your posts and trying again.
But they are just given us what we wanted
>Anime was born with and thrived off of moe
But i like her music
what moeamie is that
>liking miku music
This would only be relevant 5 years ago before people started making tons of garbage with vocaloid. Seldom are there any good miku songs anymore.
Are you underage?
Apologies if you aren't, but from what I've seen from YouTube comments on Vocaloid videos, well, let's just say that the comments alone are enough to make me hate the music.
Why does anime girls look better than Japanese girls if they was modeled after them?
>japanese girls are 90 percent ugly
>modeled after them
What a retard.
If you allow the fanbase of something to affect your enjoyment of it, you're an absolute retard.
>Anime was born with and thrived off of moe
Nigga I like cute shows as much as the next anon, but even I know it's the shounens that helped the industry start out.
I can't help it.
I don't like the music anyway, so it doesn't matter in that case. But my mind just associates the two. They're inseparable. When I listen to that music my brain just automatically thinks of all the twelve year olds with their stupid kiddie drama and over-reactions and disgusting stupid shit. It makes me feel sick.
That's why I avoid anime-related videos on YouTube at all costs.
Faggot, shounen started with hokuto no ken, and that was in 1984. Anime as we know today was born in the 60's.
Astro Boy is moe as fuck.
>Saying things about which you know nothing
Stop it; it's a waste of everything.
Jap girls secretly wish they was white thus the blonde hair color and white looks in anime.
>picking up Date a Live
Kurumi is best girl!
Don't flatter yourself. Not even the 'prettiest' of 3D of any race look as cute/pretty as the vast majority of anime girls.
>blonde hair color
The fuck? That's not exactly horrendously common in anime, you know. Most are brown-haired, of varying shades.
>>japanese girls are 90 percent ugly
That minus the Idols, some maids, and people who genuinely take care of themselves depending on where you go.
If you mean battle shonen. I'd probably go with Hols: Prince of the Sun as the proto-shonen in general
Jesus, I swear I typed it.
But that's an original anime. I thought that demographies only aplied to manga.
This guy has no idea what 'moe' means. And it's been around for decades.
Most idols are surprisingly average. Well, better than average obviously, but they're not all shining perfect goddesses.
I'm talking about with the absence of photoshop, by the way. If you also took away the make-up, well, I dread to think.
>tfw no anime will be like Gungrave/Berserk/Trigun anymore just MOE SHOT
>not liking Mitchie M
Aww yeah Kurumi a best
>posting articles written by idiots
Have you learned nothing from /v/?
> If you also took away the make-up, well, I dread to think.
Like I said, people who ACTUALLY take care of themselves. for example, this is one of the members of AKB48 without make up.
What exactly is the musical substance of that?
It's a little painful.
7/10 and they obviously have makeup on.
That looks like someone I've met before.
Your naive attitude is a little cute. I looked up that image and apparently it was before/after a photoshoot where she had nothing but foundation on. Foundation makes a huge difference. I suspect they might have lipstick on, too, but I could be wrong.
Either way, genes and surgery give people a pretty face without makeup. If you indeed meant 'get surgery' when you said 'take care of themselves', then I agree with you.
Yeah, or they could just exercise more. I'm sure that's how they keep themselves in top shape.
Facial structure, silly.
Exercise doesn't do shit to that.
>Exercise doesn't do shit to that.
I went from a baby face to having something like this jaw structure.
It grows in time, if you keep your health.
Obviously it will help a fat face, but not your eye shape or cheekbones or all that other shit people obsess about.
Too well said
Well, yeah, but what I'm trying to say that if you make yourself healthy, you can be in shape.
I use this for example.
I thought we were talking about being pretty.
Being in shape is part of being an idol, of course, but being in shape or being healthy doesn't mean you're going to be pretty.
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You were talking about them without make up and I was referring to how SOME can look good, if they're willing to care.
The make-up is part of the role.
I told you retards about this a thousand times.
Anime started out with moe cutesy girl shit, then it was mostly about gigantic robots, then it was about shounen battles that became increasingly homosexual, and then we hit full stride back into moe shit. This season? Mostly robots. OH GEE, COULD WE BE IN A CYCLE?
I for one welcome our mecha, followed by some hard gay shounen battle.