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Thread closed before I got the chance to post it.

To the anon who wanted Turn A Gundam, here you go.
Same level as Nono, like you wanted
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Give it a rest for a day or so, for crying out loud.
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>>100156170
No no, it was from the last thread, I simply didn't get a chance to add him before the thread closed.
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>>100156092
FIxed that for you.
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Needs Akuma Homura. She should be close to Yuki Nagato, or in Special Tier.
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>>100156400
we already discussed this.

>>100156322
>Not accepting demonbane as your supreme lord and king
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>>100156400
Neither. Homura can stop time, thats it. Yuki can do a whole lot more.
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>>100156450
>Omnipotent -1 being as good as creation.

Sorry but someone actually had to build Demonbane.
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>>100156322
What did you change?
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>>100156536
Demonbane did.

In seriousness though, the problem is that you are thinking of this Demonbane as a mech and not as a concept.
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Where would Macklemore-kun go?
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>>100156591
The problem is, Demonbane is a concept, Tenchi and LON created concepts.
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If you're going to keep using that chart, at least have the god damn decency to put Nabeshin back where he belongs.
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>>100156092
how in the fuck is kouga stronger then goku?
though both of them fight at the speed of light, goku has the advange of just blowing up the planet and going wherever the everliving fuck he feels like with his instant teleportation.
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Where would Neuro go?

Or sensei as a matter of fact.
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>>100156735
Goku doesn't fight at the speed of light. OBD says subrelativistic.
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>>100156794
He's basically the devil. But his weakness is that he can't work without a puzzle in the middle. Near medaka probably?
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The way I interpreted Medaka Box was that Medaka could never lose in-universe because she was the main character of the story. If you were going to try and put her on a chart, you'd have to place her above every character on the list who isn't a main character, yet treat her power level normally compared to other main characters. She either needs to be taken off the list or put in the containment bracket.
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>>100156735
Thanks for pointing that out. Fixed it. I dont even know who the dipshit thought he should be over Homura. He cant even stop time.
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>>100156873
Isn't that the case for every main character. They inherently have plot shield.
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I'm movin' on up!
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>>100156680
Oh, sure thing.

The name placement fucked my autism.
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>>100156801
huh, didn't think about that
i also forgot saint saiya and all its offshoots has retarded power creep, speaking of where exactly does saiya stand on this list cause he kind of jumps in power levels all over the place a little bit as well as he tends to job alot, but he literally punched out hades dead and out of immortality so that literally all of hell fell apart.
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>>100156908
Which is why she would have to be treated normally compared to other main characters. It's canon that she can't lose to anybody who isn't a main character.
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>>100156876
You're fucking retarded.

It's already been established that a bullet can't hurt a Sayain using Raditz as a mesuring stick.

Homura doesn't have shit on Goku.
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>>100156908
yeah but medakas power is quite literally she gains whatever power of whoever the fuck she is up against, and uses it better then they do, so say she fights giorno, she could get his stand and proceed to get him to fuck off out of reality.
she actually is probably the only person in the entirety of the list who can do that though and thats just the nature of the powers.
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If Turn A Gundam is on there, include its signature move "Moonlight Butterfly" on it since that's the reason its on the list.
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>>100157013
I disagree. Stop time and pit a spot on his body he doesnt have muscles, like the back of his head. Then you have 6 episodes of Goku training to build muscles on his hair follicles in the netherworld.
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>>100156935
>using angel arm vash
>not final battle vash with his anti matter bullets that would fuck alot of these lower level chumps out of existance.
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>>100157087
Homura can only stop time for a certain number of time.
It isn't infinite time stop you dumb idiot.
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>>100157053
Giorno can make her his bitch the moment she sees requiem.
Doujin when
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>>100157013
Goku has nothing other than brute strength, even his gay balls of light are an extension of his brute strength. Hes really rather weak when you get down to it.
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>>100157053
Yeah, i'd say she belongs in special tier
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>>100157053
>>100156993
She sounds more like Special tier.
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>>100157132
Only need to stop time once.
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>>100157070
So add (Moonlight Butterfly) on top?
Gimme a minute.

>>100157147
I agree but no one can decide on how low to place him.
He's weak(can die of a heart attack) but has the power to destroy the galaxy/universe with brute strength. So meh.

>>100157113
Where would you place Vash?
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>>100157053
Her 'abnormality' is irrelevant. Ajimu stated she could cancel out that ability with a single skill. As impressive as copy-powers are, they aren't up there with reality warping. Medaka was superior to Ajimu because she literally could not be defeated. That was the entire point of the Election Arc and Zen becoming the MC.
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>>100157053
That means Kumagawa should be in Special Tier too, and Ajimu taken out
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>>100156092
what are some of sailor moons feats of ability?
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>>100157013
You realize that was a joke, right?
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>>100157192
probably right under gil tbh and thats primarily because EA is a crockload of utter bullshit.
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>>100157186
Which doesn't last forever.
Bullets and needles don't do shit to Goku.

The best Homura can do is accumulate attack power using her time stop.
Which would have zero effect on Goku.
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What about her?
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>>100157290
>comparing homura to anything.
Goku is still not above DIO level though
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>>100157304
I haven't read Medaka Box but from what I've read of these threads, Nanami is the equivalent of her in Katangatari. At least from the copying abilities aspect. She's still just a human girl though.
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>>100157278
You talking about Vash or Goku?
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>>100157290
Nah, you just got to hit im in a weak spot. Which with time stopped, Homura would have plenty of time to do it. Face it, its unexceptional. He cant even defeat a skinny white kid.
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>>100157353
Human doesn't have much to do with it, many of these characters are "human", they just have physics-defying powers, which is what we're discussing.
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>Turn A the same as Ideon

Nigga what, even at the lowest estimates Ideon can still wipe a galaxy.
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why is cars not there
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>>100157353
>>100157304
It's not that she has a copy ability, but more that she's so skilled that she can perfectly copy other fighting styles. She's supernatural and powerful within Katanagatari, but would lose against most of the bullshit on this list.
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>>100157357
vash at least in the final battle when he made those utter fuckload of antimatter bullets out of his power.
goku i'm ok with where he is.
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hella off topic but...should I read or watch Medaka's Box?
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>>100157353
She can only copy fighting techniques however, not any abilities. Also her body is very weak without her Deviant Blade
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>>100157495
yes, but only if you like nisios other stuff and remember this is his attempt at writing jojo's bizarre adventure.
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>>100156092
can someone make this into an online card game... sorry i don't have any real friends.
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What's the significance of the "special tier"? You've already got an assload of omnipotents on there, why separate a few out?
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>>100157444
Alright, placed him higher.

Moved Vash up a bit, and Turn A Gundam slightly lower.

>>100157486
Alright, good, just making sure.
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>>100157495
The anime is pure shit, and the manga is not very good.
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>>100157550
because they have abilities where it doesn't make sense anywhere else for them to be on other then unique.
for example otherwise there will be endless trolling and stupid shit like can shiki kill servants spammed all over the thread.
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>>100157550
Special Tier includes people who have special power, as the name implies, that either cannot be defeated due to their power or have powers that would make it impossible to win in a fight.
Or some other rules established by their power.
Or that their power is considered as strong but vague as fuck.
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>>100157479
Most of this stuff can lose to most of the stuff on the list, the question is how to place them.

I don't think 2hus should be on there at all though, since the limits of 2hus' powers are never specified. Yukari's power could very well extend to the level of Demonbane, or it might not even deserve to be placed above TTGL. Nobody knows, so 2hus have no place here.
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>>100157550
Take touma for instance. Any magical/esper ability is automatically canceled out to his right hand, but he still gets curb stomped by brute force so it's impossible to place him correctly on the list
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Forgot image.

Anything else?
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>>100157541
Only honestly have seen Bake...haven't got around to watching/reading anything else.
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>>100157698
Don't.
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>>100157711
Please. Nisio is beast.
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>>100157673
Demonbane should not be that high. I would not even place it higher than Lilith.
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>>100157753
herewegoagain.jpg
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>>100157698
Give it a try. The first bit is kind of shitty, what with the SOL and all. Starts redeeming itself at the 2nd (Flask Plan) arc, and right after that (Minus Arc) is damn amazing. Everything after that...gets weird. It's fun though.
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>>100157749
not medaka though
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>>100157813
Its an average Omnipotent.
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>>100157673
Goddamn it, I fucked the ''Moonlight Butterfly''.
Fix it.

>>100157753
He's too controversial to move.
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>>100157862
No its not, its easy.
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>>100157906
dude, Athleta Aeternam
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>>100157906
And... here... we... go.

It's honestly just asking for a shitstorm.
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Wouldn't anyone from Yu Yu Hakusho make it on the list? Namely Raizen, at least in his prime. Not sure where he would be placed though
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>>100157862
how is the anti spiral slightly stronger then the getter emperor, i what?
also how the hell is dark schneider that high, i know hw has some bullshit but hes stronger then ideon who can reset universes?
i what?
speaking of ideon why is he so low?
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Why is Turn A Gundam so high?
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>>100158040
Dark Schneider is a shonen protag. That should be self explanatory.
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>>100158040
I didn't place Ideon, someone else did.

I can place him higher though since he's someone that isn't fully placed in the last thread.

And how high should Getter Emperor go?
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>>100158086
Can fuck up an entire solar system's worth of technology by itself... but it does seem a little high, though.
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Goku, but especially bills need to be higher. Nono should not be higher than bills hed fucking rape her.
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So Kakine-san still pre-revival?
Will he be updated?
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>>100158164
Should she be lower than him or should Bill be higher?
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>>100158164
Goku should not be higher, if anything, be lower. He requires the shonen-favorite: Channelling.
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>>100158164
Goku is a chump and has died like 5 times already. He doesnt even deserve to be on the list.
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Alucard post-Schrodinger should be higher, I think; considering he's basically a conceptual entity at that point and literally cannot even be successfully attacked unless he allows his opponent to ("everyvhere und novhere" and all that). Shit, he actually ends the manga even more OP than he was to start with.
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>>100158351
Where should he be placed?
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>>100158390
next to giorno
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>>100158351
We discussed him thoroughly in last weeks thread. He wasn't above Kiss Shot.
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>>100156092
How is antisprial higher than ttgl?
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>>100158351
Alucard and Anderson should be lower than they are
>he's basically a conceptual entity at that point
no
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>>100158351
His offense is completely worthless, even at lvl 0 he's still just a walking army. After coming back, he's got Schrodinger's offensive abilities, aka fucking nothing.
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>>100158460
Technically they should be even.
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>>100158460
He lowered his power level to fight STGGL and lost.
He's higher.
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>>100158203
Bills should be higher, hes he god of destruction responsible for destroying planets, stars, galaxies ect. In the universe. Whis (who's even stronger) warned that when bills gets angry galaxies vanish
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>>100157673
Why is Nono so high? Her biggest feat was neutralizing a black hole and only that through some unexplained plot magic that had nothing to do with her powers.
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>>100158519
Anti-spirals and spirals are yin and yang, they should be even.
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>>100158000
So no?
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>>100158519
He didn't lower his power level he simply fought STTGL in the same form.
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>>100158626
didn't she throw a planet or something?
its been a while since I saw it.
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>>100157862
Lain should not be as high as she is. She's only "god" because of the shared subconscious of humanity and it's heavily implied that she can only cause a shared delusion by manipulating people's minds and senses rather than changing the objective reality of existence. She has no power outside earth and no power over non-human beings. Any planet buster could genocide humanity and she would disappear. Move her to special tier because she only has power over humans living on earth.
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>>100158785
As there were no alien invasions in Lain you can not backup your statements.
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>>100158640
Alright, how's this?
Also, should Nono be lower than she is right now or even lower?
>>100158785
Special tier?
Alright. Give me a minute.
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>>100158767
Only in Diebuster form, which was technically her fusing with a different set of robots, and even then she's put above saiyans who can easily destroy solar systems and even more? She's not too special, just a planet-killing mech.
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>>100158851
STTGL Is still incorrect it should be at least even with Antispiral, if not higher.
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>>100158785
But Lain changed time and turned Deus back into an ordinary human programmer guy, didn't she?
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>>100158849
The collective consciousness that she has control over is unique to the brainwave frequencies of humans, this was explicitly stated in the show. A robot, for example, would be unaffected by her and supernatural beings are up for debate. I'm extrapolating based on the stated nature of her powers.
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Not saying it shouldnt
but can someone explain to me why sailor moon and CC sakura is up so high?
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>>100158922
She made everyone believe that time changed and made deus believe he had no more powers. The human brain is essentially a computer that she can reprogram.
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>>100158164
Bills can maybe take out a solar system, Nono split a black hole the size of a planet, easily multiple star system to small galaxy level destruction.
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>>100158902
but antispiral lowered his powerlevel for that fight
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>>100158966
But Deus had been dead for years, hadn't he? And now he has a human body again.

Lain can edit reality because reality is just the consensus of all human perception, probably.
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>>100158970
He didn't I just checked the episode, it never says he lowers his powerlevel. It says he fought in the form that they were accustomed to, so that he would cause more despair when they lost.
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>>100158851
Nono is in the same class as Goku which is generally, brute strength. You have them on the same level as Omnipotents.

Gaav and Phibrizzo are Gods and have the power to create. Hao is apparently omnipotent but I didnt watch Shaman king. They should all three be higher. Nono, Gundamn, Goku, Fiama, should be lower. Simple destructive ability is pretty low tier on my lists as it takes more ability to create than to destroy. Anti-Spiral and TTGL should be the same. Demonbane should be lowered down with the other normal omnipotents.
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>>100158902
Did you watch the movie? In the giga drill breaker clash Anti-Spiral came out on top. If anything add Simon above Anti-Spiral.
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>>100158493
>even at lvl 0 he's still just a walking army

Agreed, so his pre-Schrodinger incarnation belongs where it currently is, beneath the other characters who could successfully stop that kind of offensive and wipe him out. My point is that once he gets Schrodinger's abilities, even they can't do anything to stop him(unless we're talking Actual God-tier characters like Lord of Nightmares etc who can literally unmake reality). And the fuck he has no offensive capabilities; someone who can be every and nowhere on a whim has an infinite number of those, more or less. Schrodinger just never capitalized on them because he was a) primarily a messenger, and b) the Major's ace up his sleeve to finally take Alucard out of the equation in the specific manner that they did, so they probably didn't want to risk someone who was probably essentially a non-combatant with little to no training; he may have had a rank, but clearly had no combat knowledge.

Alucard, on the other hand, has two massive fucking guns, his base level vamp powers, and the ability to imaginary number himself literally up someone's ass if he feels like it, and literally cannot be defended against or retaliated unless he allows you to. In other words, any character on that list with a physical form that can be done permanent or lethal damage to is fucked, not even Medaka can do shit against that. Which, again, isn't to say he should be top tier, as there are plenty of characters on there who can fuck him up/he can't really do shit against other than stay out of their way. but I think it needs to be taken into account. Plus, considering Schrodinger proves he can absorb/assimilate beings with weird fucked up conceptual powers, who knows what he could theoretically do to some of the ones above him? That anon who suggested placing him up with Giovanni had it right, I think.
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>>100158941
Manga Sailor Moon travels dimensional planes and went to the future to defeat evil gods and was able to destroy life force itself or something.

Sakura is simply Sakura.
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This list only ties them by how useful their abilities are in general, right?
Because Dio would reck accel because of his hax nulifying his vector durability.
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*Physical
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>>100158998
And here we get into arguing about whether an objective reality exists or not in relation to what Lain was really changing. I'd still move Lain to special tier, she never really fights and has no battle feats.
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>>100159028
> And the fuck he has no offensive capabilities; someone who can be every and nowhere on a whim has an infinite number of those, more or less.
Except, you know, there is literally no evidence of that apart from your speculation. Alucard belongs that low or in the Special box. That's as good as he deserves.
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>>100159016
on second though this >>100159016 or lagann would make more sense, seeing how it is lagann that deals the killing blow.
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No one from hunterxhunter?
Those guys are pretty crazy, especially Netero and Chimera Ant King.
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>>100159038
Sakura has an amazing set of tools if you consider all the different cards. She isn't shown using most of them to their full potential, but a focused Sakura with all clow cards would definitely be a pretty formidable opponent. Among other things, she can stop time and erase things from existence.
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>>100159130
Special would probably make more sense, yeah. Also considering what we see of Schrodinger deploying his abilities (and that he's able to let himself be absorbed into Alucard's physical form), I don't think my extrapolating that is all that unreasonable.
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>>100159006
>same level as Goku
Alright.

Made more room for Lain in the special spot.
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Why in the fuck is Kurokami Medaka so high? Do you really see her beating Alucard, Goku, Evangeline, Accel, EVA unit 01?
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>>100159278
Holy fuck I'm retarded.

Anyways, I need to leave.
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Vash should be higher than eva 01.
His angel arm can blow craters on the moon
No one besides adam+lilith have that much firepower.
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>>100159278
Yeah, Nono is actually a lot more powerful than Goku and Bills. She's still below Saga and Dark Schneider. Bills definitely shouldn't be anywhere near DS or Saga, let alone above.
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>>100159386
Evas could eat Vash.
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Evangeline can freeze the entire planet, and she's perfectly immortal. I feel she should be just a bit higher.
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>>100159400
Pretty sure Goku could punch a black hole.
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>>100158851


All of those are fucking wrong. Sailor moon has never displayed Multiversal capabilities. Haruka should be higher than Yuki as well, nobody in Haruhi-verse has displayed beyond universal capabilities. Z is easily above Tenga Toppen Gurren Lagann and roughly equal to Pucci and Giorno. Medaka has not displayed greater capabilities than Goku, so that's wrong too. Yuusha above Vash? You wot m8.
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>>100159433
Only if he held back.
he can easily overcome the AT with raw power, not to mention he can shoot miniature blackholes.
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>>100159400
Alright.

Also placed STTGL close to Anti-Spiral.

>>100159386
How's that for Vash?
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>>100159468
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>>100159483
>nobody in Haruhi-verse has displayed beyond universal capabilities

Technically they have since haruhi is bored zones are other dinentions, which is even bigger than universal powers.
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>>100159433
Vash can shoot miniature blackhole bullets. I doubt an AT field could stand up to that.

>>100159483
TTGL verse has them literally throwing galaxies around. DBZ isn't that high.
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>>100159530
>>100159570
Nah, Vash needs to charge, Evas just needs to bite.

>>100159548
Pick a random episode of DBZ.
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>>100159539
Shit, forgot to fix Bill.

Anyways I need to leave this moment or I'm fucked.
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>>100159629
You still have not fixed Demonbane.
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>>100159601
Have you READ the manga? He just touches his bullets and they become capable of creating black holes. All he has to do is pull a trigger.

>Pick a random episode of DBZ
Ah, now I understand. Very well.
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>>100159655
Too controversial to move.
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>>100159601
He doesn't need to charge at all, the reason he takes too long to shoot is because he doesn't want to.
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>>100159684
So rather than place objects in their respective spots you just put them up because of mah feelz? Thats rather dumb.
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>>100159629
Bills is still way too high. He shouldn't be above Nono.

>>100159601
There isn't anything in DBZ canon that is remotely close.
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Put Bellcross somewhere around Middle, higher than Nono I suppose.

Punched his way out of a black hole
Survived ~12000 attacks from a time traveler who repeatedly traveled back in time
On meltdown mode, can destroy the solar system
Embodies the concept of existence, aka he always comes back
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>>100159712
I'll change him when I come back.
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>>100159712
Sure there is. If the show needs to run for another 3 hours, they just get more muscles. Did you even watch Dragonball Z?
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>>100159570

Okay and? Z is still much more powerful than TTGL, it takes a minimum of destroying 8 universes to kill Z. It takes ONE at TWO LHWs. And DBZ IS above Medaka-verse, nobody in Medaka Box has busted a planet at the very least.
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>>100156322
Wait a minute can someone explain to me how Sakura is on par with the Anti Spira and the god damn Getter Emperor? Is this about her hax creation card?
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>>100159684
Couldn't we just switch him with featherine? Actually, shouldn't she be at the top, if only slightly?

Medaka still hasn't been tanked.

>>100159712
After seeing this >>100159747 and >>100159767 please tell me you've caught on by now.
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Lina Inverse obviously has greatest power, insofar as she can end reality whenever she wants with a single spell. Most of the others need to be aware of their powers in order to have such cosmic effects; she already knows, and has full control over when she wishes to use it.

Of course, since she's mortal and could easily be killed by the likes of any low-tier mazoku via astral strike (not to mention high-tier like Xellos, Gaav, Fibrizo etc.), is she really that "powerful?" Highest power should be immortal + all powerful (i.e. whatever most deists suppose "God" is).

Also, "power lists" are fucking idiotic/subjective wank. Then again, 4chan.
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I'll be back in ~ 3-4 hours or so, I'll add whatever you guys suggest in the thread that I can't do right now and make the chart bigger with more room.
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>>100159819
No, Her power is only a reflection of LON which is why she is in special.
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>>100159819
Lina Inverse is an avatar of the LoN. There's a big difference in being the deity and being an avatar of that deity. She's fine where she is.
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>>100159836
Fix Demonbane.
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>>100159819
>>100159847
And Featherine could just decide to make her a tadpole. She could decide to make everything a tadpole and it would happen.
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>>100159767
>nobody in Medaka Box has busted a planet at the very least.
Actually Ajimu blew up a star. Medaka blew up the Moon and disputably was capable of dishing out more damage than Ajimu.
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>>100159767
If logic mattered TTGL would be a threat that could destroy multiple universes by virtue of being thousands of times heavier than it.
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>>100159933
It wasn't on screen. The moon simply "disappeared". They never said she destroyed it. The best thing Medaka can do is break the sound barrier. That and plot armor combined with love and friendship.
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>>100159933
A moon isn't a planet.

>Actually Ajimu blew up a star.

What chapter?

>disputably was capable of dishing out more damage than Ajimu

Except she never did.

>>100159991
Not even worthy of a rebuttal, next.
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>>100159933
>>100160010
So wait, she can destroy a moon. Why is she above Goku.

Master Roshi and Piccolo can blow up the moon no problem back when their powerlevels were in the hundreds.
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>>100159570
And Eva can destroy the world and recreate it. Making black spots on the moon is rather weak.
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>>100160060
I've brought that up no fewer than 3 times already. How would she pierce an AT field? How could she fight Homu, who can stop time?

>>100160112
Eva can't, Adam+Lilith can. Why do you keep bringing up the moon?
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>>100160165
Eva did. Actually, Eva did twice, because of Shinjis feelings.
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>>100160112
>>100160187

That's because of the third impact which needed 8 evas+ adam and lilith to start in the first place
Unit 01 can't do it on it's own.
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>>100156092
>Obito
I come back from class and this is what you fags come up with? Fucking remove that shit. I don't even.
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Pic related. Excuse the watermark, I don't have the manga on this computer.
>Except she never did.
She physically hurt Iihiko's body, which Ajimu never could do.

>>100160060
>So wait, she can destroy a moon. Why is she above Goku.
Because she can do more damage than Ajimu.
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Why is Battler so high? The only differences between him and Beatrice are Endless 9, Golden Longsword (irrelevant), and punching Bern.

Hurting Bern doesn't prove he has Universal destructive capabilities, since we don't know Bern's defensive methodology. Did she tank those big bangs, or did she use magic to avoid damage? If she used magic, then Battler's Endless 9 can bypass it at will and hurt her with an FTL punch (not Universal level)

Should probably be in special tier anyways because Endless 9 generates a lot of unstoppable force VS immoveable object arguments (Can Featherine retcon Endless 9? Would Battler become a demonbane?)
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>>100160241
Nah, pretty sure 01 can do it alone if Shinji is crying hard enough.
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In which universe is Dio weaker than Obito? Timestop+Combined FTL punches can wreck his ass.
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>>100160333
purely misinterpretation of his fight scene with bern, move him down to beatrice level
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>>100160260
There's no reason not to include him. I feel he should be a bit lower, though not by much.

>>100160283
The only reason Medaka was able to hurt Ihiko is because she learned about styles, which Ajimu did not. If Ajimu HAD learned styles, she would have fucked Ihiko up no problem.

Ajimu is in the special tier for a reason.
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>>100159879
Stop being a samefagging nigger and shut up about the Demonbane. Azathoth is a universe creating omnipotent being of creation just like Tenchi and the LoN and the Demonbane kicked his ass, put him into a stick that it beats other dudes with. This has been discussed so many times newfags need to just be banned for binging up X is stronger than Demonbane.
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>>100160283
That only proves Ajimu is above Goku not Medaka.

>She physically hurt Iihiko's body, which Ajimu never could do.
>Because she can do more damage than Ajimu.

Except she has never done more damage than Ajimu, ever. Just because she was able to DAMAGE lihiko in some form, doesn't mean she was stronger than Ajimu. Ajimu is the the definition of a glass cannon.
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>>100160283
>Because she can do more damage than Ajimu.

So bullshit referential guesses. Well DBZ is full of that too. Like Cell's solar system kamehameha. Given how much stronger Goku is compared to Cell by the end, logic dictates that he has to be able to at least surpass Cell.
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>>100160481
LON and Tenchi didnt just create the multiiverses, they are the multi-verses.
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>>100160547
And reality is just a dream of Azathoth, if he wakes up Everything ends instantly. Demonbane beat that.
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>>100160486
> Just because she was able to DAMAGE lihiko in some form, doesn't mean she was stronger than Ajimu.
Actually, that's exactly what it means.

>>100160513
Except that Ajimu actually blew up a star instead of grandstanding like Cell did and never actually blew up a solar system.
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>>100159629

Why the hell is Battler so high? It's completely retarded.

And Yami Eve should be Demonbane tier. She and Myuugyi are the most powerful characters ever according to Japan.
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>>100160805
Yet what you are describing is a projection. That is not the case with LON or Tenchi. They are fundamentally different which is why Demonbane could win against Azathoth but would be powerless if Demonbane was to exist in Tenchi or LONs realm.
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Akuma Homura (high tier):
>Different Entity than Regular Homura
>Her Barrier can Spread into the Whole Universe in an Instant
>Obviously CAN DO Reality Warper
>Obviously CAN Surpress Omnipotent/godlike power
>Obviously CAN Wipe out People Memory with just a Single Clap

Bobobo Bo Bo Bobo (Special Tier)

>Immortal, instant recovery ability, can make anything from empty air
>Not To Mention can Transform himself or other into Anything/Everything and can Summon Osiris the Sky Dragon (Lel)
>also can deal damage with the most non-damaging things ever, Everything he throw at you can make you Bleed(Regardless Power Level)

Korosensei (Mid to low tier) :
-Monster Level of Powerhouse
-can destroy Half of Moon with Easy
-mach 20 speed

Sousuke Aizen(Mid Tier)
-Regular Form with his Zanpakuto Can really Screwed up people with the illusion
-Only Lose to an Asspull by Kubo(not by Ichigo)
-Really Strong in his Final Form and supposedly stronger than any Soul Society Shinigami in this Form

Hakurei Reimu (Mid to Low Tier):
-Defeated Every Single final Boss in entire 2hu(Not "Defeat", i know...but still impresive)
-Supposedly have a very strong Boundary Magic(Like Yukari)
-also supposedly strong in Hand to Hand combat
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>>100160992
Reimu can destroy a planet and fly away from reality, she's easily mid tier or higher.
Aizen is too minor to fit on the list.
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>>100160464
>should be a bit lower
Dio is an immortal vampire who can stop time and Vash blew a hole in the moon with his angel arm.
How the fuck can Obito higher than them?
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>>100161156
Christ, what a mess.
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>>100161156
Is physical spelled wrong on purpose?
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>>100161156
>tenchi lower than anyone
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>>100161156
>Lowering Tenchi and LON

No just leave them where they are, and leave Demonbane where it is as well.
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>the most powerful character in fiction according to pretty much everyone in Japan
>never even made it to these charts

Why do you guys even make these retarded charts when it's obvious you don't know 3/4 of these characters?

It's all about my character > your character at this point.
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>>100161234
>>100161307

Just stop. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Yami Eve is over 3 tiers above a being that's exactly like LoN.

And Tenchi is the most overhyped shit ever. Myuugi eats beings like him for breakfast.
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>>100161345
>it's obvious you don't know 3/4 of these characters?
Speak for yourself.
Also, much like the guy who keeps posting that golden buddha faggot, if you don't say why they should be on there, no one will give a fuck about your obscure character.
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>>100161400
Nah. You cant be over a being like LON or Tenchi. They are both absolutes in their series. They are each the same Concept as One Above All.
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>Bobobo Bo Bo Bobo
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>>100161486

Being "absolutes in their series" means shit when it's about beings from different series.

LoN is the embodiment of multiverse. A being shat started and created everything.

That's nothing compared to the likes of Eve. She's way above average omnipotence.

A being that was everything and created everything out of itself put all it's power to create a being even more powerful than himself, that created her sister Lilith. Then they both together put all their power to create her. The first being, Adam, then put all his power into a hat and disappeared. Eve now wears that hat.

Japanese VN fans put her above Demonbane. And Myuugi is even more broken than her.
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>>100161759
A being that retarded really doesnt even belong on the list.
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>>100161345
>>100161400
Not this again. Please go away. You don't even know what you're talking about. Even atwiki don't put her at the highest. There's an omnipotent, but it's not her.
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>>100161800

atwiki is bullcrap that gets edited by kids every 5 minutes.
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>>100161759
>above average omnipotence
I really wish people would stop bringing up that kind of crap in these threads when it has absolutely no meaning. Filtering 'omnipotent' in general would probably make these threads more bearable, considering that virtually everyone who mentions it has nothing worthwhile to say.
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I don't understand what these are even based on?
Achievements?
If so why is Giorno a guy who's greatest feat was killing a mob boss on a higher tier then Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann who's greatest feat was saving the universe?
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>>100161838
Then stop acting like what you say is true when that's your main source to scale by.
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>>100161871

Then how do you call a God that's capable of absolutely everything?
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>>100162017
A Paradox.
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>>100161972
>when that's your main source to scale by

Never said that.
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>>100161476
>Eien Shinken
>obscure
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>>100162017
You don't mention them in these thread, that's how. Omnipotence is worthless unless there's actual performance to show for it.
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>>100162044
Myuugi is like Demonbane, she is really really fucking strong but she isn't omnipotent and certainly isn't the strongest character in her series
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>>100162044
Link to your source then instead of just making baseless claims.
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>>100162102
Yeah, that VN that everyone's talking about all the time and has it's own wikipedia page and has all those adaptations into anime and manga and totally belongs on /a/.
Fuck off.
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>>100162218
Remove the Umineko stuff already, there is a reason the japaneses never mention them in powerlevel stuff
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>>100162158
Then LON has like 60 novels, 20 mangas, 5 animes, and 50 OAVs.
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>>100162218
>Akuma
>not AI YO
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>>100162218
All these characters wouldn't last 2 seconds against him
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>>100162261
What?
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>>100162254
No, they're fine and viable.
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>>100162254
Care to post a japanese powerlevel chart?
I'd like to see it differs.
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>>100162300
>That one gut who keeps posting the golden buddha faggot no one cares about
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>>100162312
Everything that takes place in Slayers is part of LONs body so the entire thing is LONs performance. I dont think even DBZ can stand up to the content that is Slayers.
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>>100162315
They aren't viable.
Talking about powerlevel in Umineko wouldn't be like talking about the powerlevel in the Simpson and mentioning Itchy and Scratchy as the strongest.
It's fucking retarded.
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>Omnipotence is worthless unless there's actual performance to show for it.

I belong higher in this list Then
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Has there been any discussion regarding the shift-experiment form of Misaka Mikoto? Granted, it may end up being a temporary condition, but the powerup she's gotten isn't insubstantial. Or is what her 'upgrade' entails still too much of an unknown to classify?
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>>100162399
Its granted that Misaka is the most powerful entity in all anime/mango-verse. No need to even mention her.
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>>100162375
Regardless if you think they're imaginary or not, functional and established characters within fictional works = viable.
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>>100162399
Too soon to tell. But I'd guess that she'd still be below Angel Accelerator, maybe even awakened Accelerator..
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>>100162353
Okay. Fine. What does that have to do with omnipotence and mentioning it in these threads? Instead of
>she's omnipotent
Which is an utterly useless statement, you can say:
>X number of universes/multiverses are part of her body and she can control them as she likes, etc.
Instead. Which is much better and not retarded.
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>>100162486
She'll probably get knocked back to normal before she shows off anything particularly spectacular.
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>>100162486
With me, it's going to come down to whether she truly is immune to Imagine Breaker as was implied a couple of chapters back.
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>>100162453
That's why it's stupid, even if you think they are viable as a fictional world within a fictional world you don't take into account the limitation that entails.
It's frankly really stupid and just show your fanboyism and/or autism.
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>>100162250

It's one of the most well known VN's. First one got official english translation and second one is in middle of getting one.

It also got one crappy anime long ago.

Tsukihime is one of the most well known and popular VN's and it also got just one garbage tier anime.
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>>100162399
At peak could she control the Earth's movement? She could reach planet buster level if she has a large enough control over the Earth to guide it into the sun.
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>>100162717
>Akuhomu
>Divine
>Not demonic
Pls
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>>100162721
Yet it's only ever mentioned in powerlevel threads. I can't even find anything relating to an anime to it either.
No one else cares.
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>>100162564
Isn't it just that her form is being continuously maintained by an outside force? Imagine breaker did affect her, it's just what it negated was recreated right away.
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>>100162637
You're not making sense. Authors and characters are separate from one another. The latter have established parameters, which is dependent on feats, backstories, and setting.
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>>100162522
Comparing the number of universes is more less dick measuring which LON would also win.

But thats a moot point as Techi and LON are the only two deities in this thread which created their woulds as part of them selves and not as a projection.
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>>100162983
And that's fine. I wasn't questioning the nature of LoN or Tenchi, just faggots who fall back on 'but they're omnipotent!' or 'they're three times more powerful than omnipotent!' type arguments like they have any meaning whatsoever.
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>>100162753
That's small potatoes compared to her potential ability to affect charges at a subatomic level, even for a short duration. We're talking the ability to create antimatter here, folks.
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>>100163021
Well that would be a waste of time as Omnipotent is the level cap. If I used levels and RPGs as a comparison.

Demonbane would be the level 100 hunter. Tenchi would be the Level 100 Hunter and the server they were playing on.
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>>100162717

ftfy
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>>100162983
>Techi and LON are the only two deities in this thread which created their woulds as part of them selves and not as a projection

And that matters because?

What's the difference? Usually taking the multiverse out of yourself is a greater feat than just being multiverse.

That's what Adam in Yamibou did. He was basically LoN but then turned the multiverse into a giant library.
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>>100163099
By being better/faster at it, I suppose. Having defenses for it probably helps too.
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>>100163099
One warps the hardest.
but really. I'd say intellect and imagination but that's just how I see it. Once you have all the power its about who uses it the best right?
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>>100163098

More like Demonbane would a hacker that would fuck up the server and do whatever the fuck he wants with it.

It doesn't matter what you think about omnipotence.

If we are putting characters from tons of different series against each other opinion of authors of these series matter more than what you think.

If author says character X is omnipotence +1 and backs it up with feats then that's a fact.
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>>100163188
>Usually taking the multiverse out of yourself is a greater feat than just being multiverse.
...why?
Isn't existing as part of your everything just as good? why is one more impressive than the other?
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>>100163258
>If author says character X is omnipotence +1 and backs it up with feats then that's a fact.
There are no feats for being above omnipotence, the very principle of being above it means that it wasn't omnipotent to begin with. It's a load of old wank and shouldn't even be brought up.
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>>100163258
>omnipotence +1
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>>100163188
>>100163258

Its a fundamental difference which makes the difference between being absolute and being a cog.

If a Demonbane was to find him self in Adams liberary he could probably destroy Adam. If he found him self in Techis library, perhaps he could destroy Tenchi but unless he destroyed the library and him self along with it, he could never truly destroy Tenchi and Tenchi would just respawn.
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>>100163310
This, if something "all powerful" was exceeded, then it wasn't actually all powerful.
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>>100163258
>omnipotence +1
>omnipotence
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>omnipotence +1
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>>100163335

Actually, in one LN Demonbane destroys everything while fighting Therion. All the universes are reduced to nothing and they end up fighting ion a dimension of pure primordial chaos.
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>>100163258
>omnipotence +1
you uh... you don't know what omnipotent means do you?
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Seeing all those seacats witches so high is ridiculous.
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>>100163405
Then they didnt destroy everything.
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>>100163333
>>100163375
>>100163399

Say that to people who write these stories.

And see: >>100161759
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>>100163434

Did you even read Umineko? Voyagers are real.
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>>100163442
>Created a being more powerful.

Then the original was not all powerful. Thats just as dumb as
>>100163258
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>>100163405
If they still exist, and there's still a dimension for them to fight in, then Demonbane did not actually destroy everything.
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>>100163438

They did. But they were so powerful they kept existing.
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>>100161345
/a/ doesn't know Seinarukana.
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>>100163502
Then they didnt destroy everything.
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>omnipotence +1

Haha, thanks i needed a good laugh
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>>100163486

Omnipotence means "I can do whatever the fuck I want".

If a being like that decides to create somebody even more powerful what's stopping him? He's supposed to be able to do anything.
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>>100163526
I wish I could laugh at the stupidity of others, it just depresses me and makes me want to argue
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>>100163502
Then things are still existing, thus not everything is destroyed
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>>100163492
>>100163523

You make no sense.

They destroyed everything.

Yet kept existing when everything was gone. Just like LoN exists in nothingness and everything is within her.

Demonbane went beyond that.
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>>100163473
I did, and they shouldn't be that high.
It's even difficult to quantify their powerlevel because of their nature.
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>>100163557

Normally i would agree, but for some reason that just got me laughing hard
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>>100163587
Who are Eve and Lilith?
Touhou?
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>>100163602

Remember when Lambda and Bern were throwing exploding universes at each other while in a library full of multiverses and universes Aurora created?
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>>100163405
>All the universes are reduced to nothing and they end up fighting ion a dimension of pure primordial chaos.
This is the only thing that really matters here. Everything else is arbitrary and meaningless. The Universe is a constant that can actually be acknowledged, so if you're going to compare these things as dick measuring contests, then you might as well do that. Numbers of universes, multiverses, whatever, that crap is fine. Throwing around 'omnipotent' and 'more powerful than omnipotent' just makes people argue over the meaning of the word, and it doesn't actually get us anywhere.
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Shouldn't be a box for LoN, EG Demonbane and Kami Tenchi due to anon can't decide properly?
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>>100163638

Yamibou characters.
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>>100163654
Fictionary characters that exist only in their metaphysical world, you never saw a true witch on Rokkenjima or on the real world.
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>>100163670
See >>100163176
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>>100163692
I see, what's the deal about them?
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>>100163540
You see, thats the problem. If you can then you were never at the top.
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>>100163696

Rokkenjima is not real. We never saw the real Rokkenjima. Every Rokkenjima we saw was just a game board.

We actually saw witches outside of game world. Like with Ange.

Voyagers are real. It's not even debatable. There are tons of hints all over EP8. And Sea of Kakera is a concept older than Umineko. It was already in Higurashi.

You can bet we'll see Sea of Kakera and Voyagers in next WtC.
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>>100163758

You were. But then you created somebody who's now on the top. You can both do anything you want, but if you fought that other one would win.
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>>100163801
We never saw what truly happened in Rokkenjima >implying ep7 epilogue wasn't the truth, but it did exist.
Witches and other metaphysical beings live in their world and travels kakera, but can't do anything in the real world, or in the kakera you're paying attention to if you prefer.
It was so in higurashi, it was the same in umineko.
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>>100163843
couldn't the initial one then logically make them self more powerful than the second?
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>>100163258
Then LED Mirage is the strongest thing ever because Nagano said it simply wins against any single thing and nothing else matters, right?
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>>100163901

Yes they can. Lambda was even granting people wishes for fun.

Including wishes like "destroy the universe" or "create a new universe".

There is an infinite number of worlds in WtC series, and Voyagers can play around with them any way they want.
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>>100163843
Then the first one was never all powerful and by that logic the second one is also flawed. Which means neither of them are all powerful. Also if you project your reality rather than having it as a part of your self, then you are bending your self to the laws of your own reality, thus, a limitation. Which is again, why Demondane was able to kill its own god.
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>>100163801
>as they are bound to certain territories and unable to use their powers outside of them. Witches who gain the ability to move into other territories called "Fragments" (カケラ Kakera), such as Bernkastel and Lambdadelta, are known as Voyagers, to whom few other witches can compare, though their sense of worth is often deterred, and they are even at the risk of losing their souls on their voyages, which they often hope will be endless

What I meant, said in better words.
Wikipedia is useful for once. That's why you can't compare Bern or Lambda to Demonbane or other real characters.
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>>100163907
People should just consider omnipotent as flavor text for high tier reality warper and reality warper as someone who can exert their will their surroundings and themselves. That way there IS a difference in will one can exert as well as the creativity and wit used when creating the world around them. It also eliminates the glass ceiling that omnipotent creates.
That easy
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>>100163843
>>100163907
>>100164013
The nature of omnipotence would mean it's trivial to simultaneously create something more powerful than yourself and still be more powerful than it. Logic can go fuck itself where all-power is concerned.

That's also the reason why it shouldn't be raised in these threads, it's a symantic nightmare full of holes and doesn't adhere to whatever system can be used for these stupid charts.
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>>100156491
.....Yuki can't stop time. The most we've seen her do is put people in stasis.
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>Witches near top
>Featherine on top
>Ryougi in special despite being multiversal at best
>Sailor Moon higher than Sakura

Trash.
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>>100164236
>Ryougi in special despite being multiversal at best
If you don't even know what the Special bracket is for, why did you even post? Go away.
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These threads get kinda terrible once someone tries to argue that an all powerful character is MORE all powerful than the other all powerful characters.
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>>100164236
>Ryougi in special despite being multiversal at best

Maybe you should read the archive. we had this discussion just earlier today
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>>100164306
Why don't you enlighten me then?

Unless you're saying that because she can be in two low spots, she deserves to be in special. If so, Rance needs to be there too.
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>>100156735
Kouga is more handsome, me serious
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>>100164383
Special is for people who can't be put into standard spots on the chart, due to having disproportionate or ambiguous powers. Why she shouldn't be there or what being 'multiversal at best' has to do with it is beyond me, you'll have to tell me.
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>>100164451
>due to having disproportionate or ambiguous powers
There's nothing ambiguous about her. She's connected to the Root, so she can warp reality to her whims on all universes connected to it. She can't do that currently because of her human body, the limiter.

We had this discussion last year, I'm not sure why this is coming up again. But whatever, this chart doesn't make much sense anymore anyways. Goodnight.
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>>100164494
It's not ambiguous in her case, it's disproportionate. She can warp reality, but she's frail enough to be killed by a normal bloke with a gun. Or a bomber, as proven in Mirai Fukuin.
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>>100164152
Thats just what morons think.I guess you are a moron.
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>>100164494

We have had this discussion enough times, we choose to put her in special tier because that's where she belongs.
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>>100164599
Oh well, that's a sound argument if there ever was one. Good show sir, I concede.
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Why is Saitama special tier? Isn't he just Goku minus Ki stuff? It's not like he's indestructible, right? Right?
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>>100160960
We had a a lengthy discussion about his powerlevel.
Basically he punched Bernkastel enough for her to feel pain when she was fighting with big bangs and shit and his Endless 9999999 make him insanely powerful.

He deserves to be there.

>>100164812
A few threads back, we had him higher than Goku and whatnot but we honestly can't tell if he can be defeated, so putting him in the special tier is the best option and everyone agreed.
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>>100163176
>Medaka still that high
While canonically he never beat her, Kumagawa should have been untouchable. He can literally make whatever he wants cease to exist, with no limitations, requirements, or consequences other than the fact that whatever he erases is unable to be recovered.

Izayoi shouldn't be that high. Not higher than Evageline at the very least. Or Alucard or basically any immortal for that matter.
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>>100164949
>While canonically he never beat her, Kumagawa should have been untouchable. He can literally make whatever he wants cease to exist, with no limitations, requirements, or consequences other than the fact that whatever he erases is unable to be recovered.
Actually, since All-Fiction was one of the myriads of skills Medaka managed to master, plus the ones from Ajimu, there's nothing much for him to go above her.
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>>100162218
>>100162717
>>100163176
Reimu's too low, she should be on par with/above Fiamma at the very least.
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>>100165030
When did she ever get all fiction? At the very least, I don't remember her ever using it.

In all honesty, her and kumagawa probably belong in the special tier as well. Medaka Box was a fucking mess.
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>>100160992
>Homura
Again, her power is inherently only a fraction of Godoka's power that is a law and nothing more.
Homura's power is only the ability to make people forget about Madoka. Nothing else.
She does not warp reality, she does not supress a god, she was only able to do it due to her wish.
Homura is even less fucking powerful than her original form, she just can't be touched anymore, she isn't even able to qualify for the powerlevel chart. Much less the Special tier.

>>100164949
Where should Madaka even be?
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>>100156092
>turn A gundam over Evangelion
>super sentai robot over restraint god
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>>100165146
If we were to put her in with the regulars, I'd say on par with Gilgamesh, but like I said here >>100165126 due to the nature of the medaka-verse, she should probably be special tier.
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>>100165212
It can fly in space.
Checkmate rei.
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>>100165126
>When did she ever get all fiction? At the very least, I don't remember her ever using it.
I'm pretty certain she mentioned it among the various skills she used against Iihiko. I'll have to go back and check. At least it's known she could master Minuses, so she could've easily obtained it at any point in the series.
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>>100165235
>implying an Eva could not
>implying this matters
It doesn't have an AT field though.
Good luck trying to fuck divine magic with tech-wanking bullshit
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>>100165236
It would make sense. Bitch is broken. Imagine if she ever managed to dimension travel to other verses.
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>>100165284
Destroys all power, an AT field won't do much.
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>>100165284
>Divine magic
>implying the seeds are magical and not just incredibly advanced biological organisms
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Just wondering why the Ideon is represented by the robot and not the concept?
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>>100165387
Eva is the divine magic. Gundam is the tech wanking bullshit.
So much for comprehension skills
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Whoever makes these lists can't into feats
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>>100165414
>comprehension skills
>seeds
I was referring to Eva dipshit. What the fuck does gundam have to do with seeds or advanced bio-organisms?
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>>100165335
>still tech bullshit
I know this is lame, but Eva units are virtually gods themselves, and the only mecha more powerful than them that I can think of is Demonbane.
It's pretty clear that whoever made this chart didn't like Evangelion. You can tell it alone from the fact that some retarded nurutu edgy ninja is higher tier than eva unit 01.
Please someone rearrange Eva's position
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No Hazama/Terumi inside?
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>>100165486
Not the person that made that list, but the Eva units have only shown continent busting at most. I'm quite certain that one wouldn't be able to last a moment against TTGL
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Made a bit more room, the middle of the chart is in dire need of some work. too much power difference in such a small space, if somebody wants clean it up go ahead
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>>100165486
Obito is able to blow an entire continent, just because an Eva has good defenses doesn't make it on top of the list.
Being part god doesn't mean jack shit.
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>>100165486
By themselves Eva have nothing more going for them then the AT field, which apparently can't stand up to the heat and pressure of venturing down through some magma which means it is pregnable by something other than another AT field.
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>>100165467
>AT field
>spiritual shenanigans
>can guro 3D shadows
>totally fucks with every law of physics
>not magic
Triple nigger. I know this is kind of a turn down for Evangelion, but it's how things are. Evangelions are just magic covered up with technobabble, but stil magic nonetheless. Gundams have a more tech-oriented, realistic approach, and you usually can't fight magic bullshit with huge motherfucking nuclear laser plasma galaxy-destroying ultramegagigawank cannons.
Demonbane, though, is something else
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>>100165486
But the EVA units usually can't do anything without a pilot, except the mass procuction model.

Which brings me to the question, where would you put the god-warriors /war-titans from Nausicaä in competition? They have no AT-field, but are self - aware, autonom and, according to the manga, able to think and solve problems themself.
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>>100165616
B-but...meh first ancestral race....
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Wow, come back and the thread went to shit.

>>100165124
Sure thing.

>>100165565
I'll do that.
Don't know why you put LON, Demonbane and Tenchi in a black box though.
Any other additions I missed from your chart?

>>100165616
True, but it still follows the laws of physics to a certain degree and can gets fucking destroyed easily by simply physical attacks.
Having an AT field doesn't give it an automatic deflection.
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>>100165146
>Again, her power is inherently only a fraction of Godoka's power that is a law and nothing more.
>Homura's power is only the ability to make people forget about Madoka. Nothing else.
>She does not warp reality, she does not supress a god, she was only able to do it due to her wish.
>Homura is even less fucking powerful than her original form, she just can't be touched anymore, she isn't even able to qualify for the powerlevel chart. Much less the Special tier.

What the hell are you talking about? Homura didn't use a wish to get her power. She tore Madokami apart with her own love-powered magic and rewrote the whole universe. And she completely defeated an unbelievably advanced alien civilization offscreen.
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>>100165562
>>100165592
>>100165601
AT fields have shown many different levels of magnitude, generally varying with the pilot's condition. Rei and kaworu's fields were strong enough to block any kind of radiation (sort of like black holes). Moreover, AT fields can also be used offensively, shown by berserk 01 and 02.
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>>100165797
>Don't know why you put LON, Demonbane and Tenchi in a black box though.

Because hours of people arguing about it is getting tiring. they should just stay where they are without ever being moved. i just made a black box around them out of boredom
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>>100165810
That's called bullshit since the power of love isn't how magical girls have their power.
And defeating an alien race offscreen is basically me telling you that I fucked you offscreen. It didn't happen.

Homura was able to steal Godoka's power due to her wish of being able to save Madoka. From her original wish, she was able to steal the consciousness of Madoka's power as well as the power to make everyone forget about Madoka.
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>>100160903
No it fucking doesn't, just stop you're embarrassing yourself. If you even bothered reading, using styles was the only reason why Medaka was able to even DAMAGE him. Stay delusional.
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>>100165797

We honestly should remove ORT, we have no proper measure of his power other than he is stronger than 30% Arc.
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>>100165834
Ah, cool.

Well fuck those people, we all know they aren't going to move.
They're on the top for a reason.

>>100165902
I agree but some people have argued that he should stay so I have no damn clue what to do with him.
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>>100165897
The power of love wasn't part of magical girls' power until Homura seized it herself.

Madoka didn't even exist in the physical world after the TV series, and Homura rewrote her back into reality. She even changed Madoka's history so that she lived in America for three years. Homura is more powerful than Madokami ever was.
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>>100165797
Bills still shouldn't be that high, he shouldn't be much above Goku and shouldn't be above Nono.
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>>100165797

I'm going to tell you one thing and one thing only, don't listen to the other retards regarding the Holy Trinity(DemonBane/Tenchi/LoN) at the top, do not attempt to even fuck with them. Just leave them be, fanboys and trolls will tell you otherwise. They can fuck right off. Just move around anything below them.
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>>100165963
>argued that he should stay so I have no damn clue what to do with him.

What proper argument could they come up with the justify why he should be on there? he isn't even the Strongest Type-moon character if people want to use that line of thinking
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>>100165797
Nice. Just a pet peeve, but Reimu should really be Holy Power rather than Special Power. Or at least half-and-half.
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>>100165797
This is some impressive progress we've made. Shit actually seems somewhat competent now.

I'd argue that we should switch Izayoi and Evangeline, and then lower Izayoi to just below Korosensei.

Actually, sense Korosensei is a planet buster, shouldn't he be higher?
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>>100165592
>being god doesn't mean jack shit
Holy lel.

>>100165776
Huge motherfucking destroying power, but meh defenses. Pretty low on the chart.
Of course I'm supposing there's a pilot inside the units, and I'm actually -and obviously- assuming we're talking about the top condition, which is full power unit 01 with its pilot.

>>100165786
>buying all that FAR bullshit
What a baka.

>>100165797
>still follows the laws of physics to a certain degree
It CAN follow the laws of physics, but then again it can also decide to fuck them up and just rip a damn 3D SHADOW apart or acquire a magic organ that yields literally infinite power, or just go around tanging everyone with other magic shenanigans.
The point of Evas is that they are literally tamed/restraint gods that may look like huge man-controlled mechs, but they're still gods nonetheless.
I honestly wouldn't assign their power level using their constraint moments. You have to consider their full power
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>>100165898
It actually doesn't even matter at this point, it's already been pointed out that Medaka had All Fiction which is provably capable of erasing planets. The argument is moot now.
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>>100165990
Shit, I honestly don't know, people tell me Nono is weaker than Goku while others tell me that Bill is higher than Nono.

>>100166012
I'm not that retarded to even touch them.
Again, I'm not touching them because they're controversial. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just asking for trouble.

>>100166050
Here you go.

>>100166126
Give me a minute.
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>>100156092
10/10 TROLL
I AM FUCKING MAD
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>>100166033
I agree with this

>>100166050
and this

>>100166153
The slot that's up there now is for regular eva 01. Be specific on what form you're referring to.

>>100166157
That's why she was moved to special tier. Medaka characters are as strong as the plot needs them to be. MC plot armor was literally the 4th wall breaking figurative plot of medaka box.

>>100166212
you could put bills and nono on par and swap goku for SS god mode goku and put him just below bills.
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>>100166212
No one in canon manga Dragonball did anything above planet level, and BotG Bills and Goku only had destroying solar systems tops.
Nono destroying a black hole the size of a planet is several times the destruction of a solar system, about equal to the destruction of a small galaxy.
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>>100166322
Buu destroyed galaxies.
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>>100165987

Wrong. Completely wrong.

Madokawas powerful as fuck, she was just not using her powers left and right.

She was like a God that just watches over the world.
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>>100166348
...Over a long period of time. By destroying planets and MAYBE stars individually.
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>>100166360
Are you saying that Madoka could physically intervene on a large scale but simply chose not to? That goes completely against the description of her limits in episode 12.
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>>100166212
Nice chart. I only have one problem with it. Demonbane really should be lower.
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>>100166434

No limits were described in ep 12.

She stopped being a human so she stopped interacting with humans.
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>>100166480
>Demonbane really should be lower.

Haha. No and Fuck off please
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>>100166033
Alright then, I removed him.
I placed Korosensei in his place. Is he high enough?

>>100166434
Madoka is in the special tier, it doesn't matter.

>>100166480
I agree but he's too controversial to move.
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>>100166480
It's not going to happen. Read the thread.

>>100166404
They never specified I don't think, but you're probably right.
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>>100166212

Fixed some obvious bullshit around the top tier.
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>The power of love wasn't part of magical girls' power until Homura seized it herself.

>Madoka didn't even exist in the physical world after the TV series, and Homura rewrote her back into reality. She even changed Madoka's history so that she lived in America for three years. Homura is more powerful than Madokami ever was.

Glad there's someone who know how big deal Homura is. Also :

>She's indeed Rewrite Reality and even if she isn't an actual Reality Warper, Her Barrier is Something Else and can be Categorized as Alternate Dimension, That's still one of His Feat and not part of Madoka Power at all, Heck...She's Supposedly more powerfull than Madoka in that Barrier of her and can actually interfree with Reality, unlike Madoka

>So...Everyone here say that Homura can only Rewrite Memory about madoka ?, if that So...Then what about Sayaka, Mami, Kyouko and Bebe ?, You must be joking if you say that She only Rewrote their Memories about Madoka

>Surpressing Madoka Power, the Being that Supposedly didn't Even Exist and Only Conceptual in that universe is really not something you can ignored at all...Heck Even Incubators can make it up DAT FAST, and Homura do it Just by the power of Love!

Se Surely Deserve to be Higher if not Spesial Tier, and She's really different being than Regular Homura, even Cubey and Herself said so!
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>>100166552
You really really hate Battler, don't you?

Haha, I don't blame you.
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>>100166535

And now there is no issues at all regarding the TM characters on the chart. good job
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>>100166570
Who cares, I'm going to cheat and say that it's not canon and fuck you in the ass and tell you to fuck off.
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>>100166596

No. I just know putting him so high is utter bullshit.
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>>100166629
Anything else that needs fixing?
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Why did that looser Obito that high and even in this list at all?, She's just an overpowered flower, Madara Deserve his place moar!
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>>100166672

Battler is way too high.

Eve and Lilith are too low.

See: >>100161759
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>>100166665
I agree

>>100166746
Alright, give me a minute.

I'll do what you linked afterwards.
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>>100166672

All the characters i know enough about to argue about properly are placed decently, so no complaints until more characters are added from other people. So no complaints at the moment
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Wow, there's Seriously Homura's Haters in this thread...

i Agree with that Anon up there, Akuma homura deserve to be in this list.

and if you say Homura Power is not canon at all, then what about Turn A?, what about Eldergod Demonbane?(This one is ok i guess)
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>>100166746
Alright, is this good for Eve and Lilith?
Or should they go a bit higher?
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the one above me say the truth, if not canon Feat that can only described in databook and speculation without action can be that high, then why the real deal that have enough screentime to prove their power can't ?
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>>100166900
Switch Evangeline A.K. Mcdowel with Izayoi, then slide izayoi down below Alucard.
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>Dio still lower than Sakuya

>WAT?
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>>100166891
Wut. I don't even know what this one is supposed to prove. Is it a ruse?
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>>100167013
Just a few tweaks.
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>>100166987

Evangeline is not stronger than Arcuied
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>>100167033
Lowering Goku and Nono that far? Nah, ruse me not.
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>>100166990

You joking right?

Sakuya controls time and space. And can throw tons of magical reality cutting steel at you in a millisecond.
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>>100166905
Here, if it'll get you to shut up about it, here, she's in the special tier, until the next movie/season comes out.

And for more symbolism, both Madoka and Homura are on opposite sides.

>>100166987
Alright, done.
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>>100167112
Brute strength is all they have going for them. Theres much better people on the list.
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>>100167170
Fuck me.

Moved Eve and Lilith a bit higher.
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>All of this Homura Haters

>Akuma is not something you can ignored at all
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Tenchi and LoN being on top of the list is utter bullshit.

Just because you like Slayers or Tenchi was your first harem doesn't mean you can ignore reality.

Demonbane, Yamibou or Eien Shinken had way crazier powerlevels.
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>>100167234
Go be autistic somewhere else with your favorite anime you wanker.

>>100167257
They've always been at the top and moving them is too controversial.
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>>100167177
Brute strength to destroy planets and galaxies is better than small-time hax, fraid to say. It's all about scale.
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Homu needs a better picture.

And why the hell is she in special tier when the likes of Crowley, GER or Lain are not?
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>>100167088
I can't argue that. Never played tsukihime. Is Acruied really on par with Sakuya, lower than izayoi? I wouldn't know where to place her.

>>100167170
Is there a reason why Izayoi is so high? I know he has the gift to destroy gifts, but doesn't that only pretain to the powers in little garden?
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>>100167326
Meh, They can blow things up. They cant even warm reality. They are small time.
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>>100167216
Why is Demonbane up there? Its a mecha that killed a sleeping god. It didnt even have the guts to fight an awake god.
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This shit needs Vividred.

She punched through a universe busting blast with no real effort and punched a God to death.

And why the hell is Myuugyi still not on the list when she's basically the most powerful being in fiction?
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>>100167345
Find me a better picture and I'll change it.
Christ you faggots are endlessly picky and annoying.
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Look Closely, Lain is on Special Tier

and Izayoi is strong even without that Gift
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>>100167414
It's power levels /a/non, of course we are.

>>100167425
He would be the lowest person on the list without that gift though. He's got decent physical for low tier, but that's about it.
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>>100167359
Goddamn it, I just noticed I swapped the wrong person.
Anyways, moved Izayoi down to Alucard level like asked.
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>>100167379
No one below them can do anything impressive like that though. So it's kinda moot.
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>>100167359
>>100167543

I don't know anything about Touhou so i can't compare her to Sakuya unfortunately.

I honestly don't know how to put Arc against Izayoi because i only saw the anime and it's threads, and from what i understood from it is that Izayoi isn't OP he is just Massively over leveled for the beginning of the story.

Putting ANY type of Vampire above Arc is complete bullshit although.

Move Evangeline down just below Arc
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>>100167413
>And why the hell is Myuugyi still not on the list when she's basically the most powerful being in fiction?
I suspect it's because all anyone ever says about her is she's the most powerful character in fiction, and never bother to explains why.

She'd still only be Janitor tier in the Suggsverse anyway.
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>>100167543
um.../a/non...I really hate to say it but...you swapped sakuya....not izayoi....

>>100167602
literally the only reason I argue putting her so high is because she is a perfect immortal and a planet buster...of sorts. She has a spell that can freeze the entire earth solid.

I know in melty blood Acrueid can use some crazy spirt bomb looking thing for her arc finish. Is that a planet buster?
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>>100167650

Who is Myuugyi anyway?
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>>100167543
I'd put Arc up higher. She's about on par with Fiamma and definitely stronger than Evangeline and Iyazoi
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>>100167602
This is sort of silly but where is Arc?

>>100167712
FUXCK, IT'S THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
FUCK ME, GODDAMN IT.
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>>100167602
Sakuya's focus isn't on destructive power, it's based around time and spacial manipulation. Either way, Arc should probably be above her, at best she's comparable to the likes of Marisa or Utsuho, who can maybe destroy a country at max power.
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>>100167712
Not really a planet buster. It just uses the whole power of the earth.
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>>100167775
Arc is the one left of Evangeline
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>>100167730
Some bint from a VN and a crap OVA, apparently.
I'd say more, but I can't, because no one talks about it, ever.
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>>100167190
>Kurosensei and Obito above Dio.
Please, tell me how or fix this mess.
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>>100167791

Arcueid can do that as well mind you.

Also the Arc on this list also includes her powers gained from Type-Earth form and Red Arcueid (which we only see a Extremely weakened TARARI copy version of in MB)
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>>100167712
>I know in melty blood Acrueid can use some crazy spirt bomb looking thing for her arc finish. Is that a planet buster?
It's not a spirit bomb, it's the Moon. She can smash the planet by dropping it, so yeah.
She also is the embodiment of the Earth and can control it fully at full power, so there's that too.
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>>100167887
Do you want me to move them down or move Dio up?

>>100167761
Arc higher and Evangeline lower.
Alright, done.

Fixed my stupid mistake.
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>>100167791
Ah. Well, I'm not really sure then. I'd either put them on par or arc slightly above. Although, I would point out that no amount of damage would kill Evangeline. You can't really kill her. You have to cut her limbs and head off and seal them in different places to really beat her.

>>100167933
And there you have it. Arc's definitely got an edge with that.

>>100167543
put Arc where Izayoi was in this version.
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>>100167933
I vaguely recall from powerlevel argument threads from around a year ago that she's like Fiamma in that she can adjust her power to +1 her opponent's strength. not sure how legit that is though.
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>>100167730
>Myuugi
>Wielder of the ring Tier 1 Eien Shinken, Shukumei.
>It brings into reality whatever the wielder wants.
>it erases from existence whatever the wielder feels revulsion towards including universes
>Shukumei's defense is such that anything that bears even the slightest hostility or ill-will towards Myugi is instantly erased from existence.

Basically her automatic defense is such that anything that wants to hurt her gets erased.

It works against beings on LoN/Tenchi tier. She killed thousands of multiversal level reality warpers and gods.

She's a leader of a group of omniverse jumping beings that eat universes for their mana.
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>>100167990
Why is Tenchi higher than LON when they are essentially the same thing. Why is demonbane up there when its done nothing remarkable?
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>>100167990
Definitely move Dio up.
I mean, stopping time puts him over Korosensei and he's an immortal vampire with a very strong stand. He should be a little higher. I can't think of a way Obito can beat him.
I'm open to hear arguments though.
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Looks better now, the last one is accurate

Good job anon
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>>100156092
>Index above accelerator
>Kurosensei and Obito above Dio.
>Medaka kurokami above Evangeline
>TWO tengen toppa gurren lagann ABOVE GOKU
>Archer below EVA-01
>Matou Sakura above anything

I could go on forever.
Either this is a troll chart, or made by and edgy teen who has hipster inclinations.
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>>100168066
We spent entirely too long in this thread talking about what demonbane has done.
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>>100168098
>Index above accelerator
>Kurosensei and Obito above Dio.
This really needs to be fixed. There is no way Index is better than Accel. Not to mention Angel Accel.
And at least people are listening to suggestions instead of ranting about LoN and Demonbane.
What else do you think should be fixed?
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What's the point of psychic powers if they're just stripped down magic powers?
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>>100168020
>I vaguely recall from powerlevel argument threads from around a year ago that she's like Fiamma in that she can adjust her power to +1 her opponent's strength. not sure how legit that is though.

Arc has this power as long as she is on the Earth. it's called Ultimate one (IIRC) and it always put her +1 above her opponent.

On the moon it cuts her opponents to 1/6th of their maximum strength and since it’s a conceptual numerical alteration, there's no means of avoiding it while on the moon.

Off the Earth and Moon she doesn't receive any backup.
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>>100168066

A much weaker version of Demonbane piloted by a weak scrub destroyed everything, like every single universe that ever existed, while fighting Liber Legis.

And that Demonbane was not even close as powerful as E.G. Demonbane.
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>>100168139
The only thing I have seen anyone mention is that Demonbane killed a sleeping god because if said god woke up they would be fucked.
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>>100167906
I was refering to Arc, more specificly Archetype Earth.
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>>100168206
He also destroyed the multiverse in a fight. He can also summon infinite copies of himself from alternate realities, including versions of himself that should not/can not exist but still do.
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>>100168204
>Everything

Theres that word again. It did not destroy its self so It didnt destroy everything or Liber Legis or the realm it was fighting in.
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>>100168071
Is Dio a planet buster? If not, he isn't above korosensei.

>>100168098
You are retarded. Check the rest of the thread.

>>100168023
Featherine writes herself to be immune to Shukumei, then she writes Shukumei out of existence. checkmate.

>>100168066
it isn't about feats

>>100168172
john pen mode has complete access to all the grimoires and magic. Accel is fucked.

>>100168203
So if you get her off the earth and moon, she's fucked? Well, let's just rate her as she is at max potential. There are too many "what ifs" to be covered otherwise.
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>Kumagawa below planet busters like Korosensei when he can erase anything

He robbed the world of colour. While he'd probably end up losing he's definitely able to beat most things that still have physical forms like Sakuya, Evangeline, Nono etc.
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>>100168023
Nah, same level as Tenchi and LoN. Absolute God in their respective universe.
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>>100168308
Just one multiverse? Who needs copies of its self if one would suffice? If it needs to summon copies, then sounds like its not that strong to begin with.
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>>100168325
>everyone is working on it therefore it's not shit.
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>>100168327
I'd suggest putting him in the special tier with the other Box's.
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Here, Stop talking about Demonbane and focus on other characters.

Fucking Captcha's

>>100168269

Archetype Earth has 100% control over the power of the Earth

>>100168325

Off the Earth she still has her own Combat abilities which still put her as the Second strongest Non-servant Character in all of Nasuverse ( Amaterasu is above her even when she is at 100%)
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>>100168340
when we get to this level of silly powerful I don't think 'universe' is the word we want to use, cause multiverses and omniverses have a habit of getting involved.
Absolute God of their existence maybe?
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>>100168366
The copies are him and he is the copies. Demonbane is a continuum so each part of him is as strong as the whole, which is infinity.
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>>100168206
>Demonbane is the strongest thing in it's Universe
>Demonbane can summon an infinite amount of Demonbanes with an infinite variations of abilities [i.e. If your weakness is A, Demonbane can summon a Demonbane who specializes in A]
I actually haven't seen anything related to Demonbane but if the above statements are correct, then it's futile to discuss him any further. He'll always be at the top of the list.
>>100168325
>Is Dio a planet buster? If not, he isn't above korosensei.
Explain Vash then. His Angel Arm can blow up the Moon.
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>>100168426
Then there would be no point in summoning copies. Which makes Demonbane a retard.
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>>100168444
If that is the case then Demonbane is a flawed concept.
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>>100168444

It is Futile to discuss Demonbane because of how Bullshit it is just read >>100168416, if you want just a taste of what it can do.

Fucking Captcha's
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>>100167602
>Putting ANY type of Vampire above Arc is complete bullshit although.

I don't know too much about Tsukihime, but what about the Touhou vampires like Flandre, who has absolutely ridiclous destructive power, or Remilia, whose fate manipulation is basically some kind of reality warping?
Both of those would be way above Sakuya. Arc shouldn't be near Sakuya then.
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>>100168340

Lv3 ES wielders are absolute gods in their universes.

Lv2 are multiverse tier monsters.

Temuorin destroyed hundreds of universes.

Protag in Seinarukana has an attack that casually cuts through 4 universes. He's like an insect compared to Myuugi.
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>>100168416
Maybe I should start quoting now.
>Archetype Earth has 100% control over the power of the Earth
That's exactly what I said here >>100167791
>It just uses the whole power of the earth.
You don't have to correct me when we are saying the exact same thing!
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>>100168499
Its completely pointless to talk about what it can do. As once you get in to Omnipotence, pointing out things it can do only implies there are things it cant do.
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>>100168388
>I said it's shit, so my opinion supersedes the collective opinions of everyone else and it IS infact shit

>>100168416
Shiki wouldn't have a chance against her? I understand void is special tier, but what about regular Ryuoga Shiki?

Wait, does that suggest all servants are automatically considered stronger than any non-servant?

>>100168444
His angel arm only took out a chunk. And honestly, I don't think he'd be able to beat Dio if the guy has time manipulation. But, I guess if you scale their ability to pump out raw influence, Vash has the upper hand.
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>>100168514

I might want to retract that statement, she is stronger than any Vampires on this list currently**

I don't know anything about Touhou so i can't comment about it

>>100168556
Sorry I'm just starting to get a little tired
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>>100168514
I'm pretty sure there's an interview somewhere in which ZUN states that he writes his characters as OP as possible so that it's impractical or impossible to even compare them in this fashion, aside from "Whoever the player is can beat whoever isn't the player".
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If Demonbane is Omnipotent then why was it fighting Liber Legis. Why waste time fighting when you can just erase their existence?
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>>100168317

They actually destroyed the world they were in.

They ended up in an empty dimension fighting each other in nothingness for thousands of years.
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>>100168325
>Featherine writes herself to be immune to Shukumei, then she writes Shukumei out of existence. checkmate.

She's automatically destroyed the moment she thinks that she wants to destroy Shukumei.
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>>100168734
If they were fighting, then there was not nothingness, there was space. If there was nothingness then there was not time either so thousands of years would not have passed.
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>>100167990

Someone needs to add Death Note characters. I know /a/ hates Death Note but that doesn't mean that they don't deserve a spot (especially since the Shinigami can control death and all)
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>>100168626
>Dio
>Immortal vampire
>The world can stop time. Is very powerful physically
>Stopping time means that all his punches are faster than light and the force accumulates
No fucking way is he that low on that list.
Things that I have an issue with:
>Obito being higher than Dio [Korosensei is a planetbuster but I think Dio still owns him 1v1]
>Vash being that low
>Accel lower than Index
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>>100168626

Her third personality, 「 」,
She is noted to be the second (should be 3rd once you add Amaterasu) strongest being in the Nasuverse when not including Servants, under Arcueid Brunestud and above Primordial Demons.

She can't kill servants without destroying the entire concept behind servants which Akasha will not allow her to do.

No other Shiki's stand a chance at killing Arc at full power.

And in terms of servant power levels see the picture

Sorry about slow replys Captcha's are slowly starting to get impossible to do
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>>100168777

This is actually how it's explained.

Time was destroyed so it seemed to them they fought for seconds but in reality it was infinite time.

They were fighting in nothingness where even laws of physics didn't exist.
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>>100168780
>Shinigami can control Death
Should we add Aizen too? His shikai is broken as fuck if used right. It's basically the Matrix.
Also,
>The human whose name is written in the Death Note shall die
>Human
I don't see him being too high on the list.
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>>100168536
I am talking about their fictional Universes. Tenchi is not just the absolute god of his universe but of his whole fictional canon. Because there is no such thing as a multiverse in Tenchi Muyo. Tenchi is the god of everything in his fictional background while Myuugi is (more or less) the god of everythin in hers. They are the same level.
You are no better than that DC- fags who claim that their One above all is the god of every fictional work ever.
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>>100168833
If there is infinite time then time was not destroyed.

If they were fighting then some laws of physics were also taking place. Fighting takes both time and physics to take place.
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Does anyone have that old chart with lower tier characters that was made about a year back? That guy had a point. Discussing characters above universe level is maddening and just swallows up copious time and threads. It's probably better to just leave them out. There's nothing interesting about multiversal lolis and surfboards anyway.
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>>100168777
It's also hard to fight in nothingness, what with no distance or fundamental laws through which the fight can occur. you need those to figure out if an attack happened, what it was like, if it hit, why it hit, how much damage it did and why it did that much damage.
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>>100168827

I'll also add this

Shiki Ryougi 3rd persona (Void)

Despite this claimed ability, her combat ability is only possibly around the level of Ciel, allowing her to manage a defensive fight against a being on the level of a Servant. While still much stronger than the regular Shiki, who holds no hope in even competing with a Servant defensively,
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>>100168913

It's magic. They don't give a fuck.
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Alright, changed what was asked, hopefully it's good.

I added Myuugi at the top of the list.
Might need to make room for her in the Special tier. Risky to even have her on the list imo.

Index was placed lower, Dio was placed higher.

Anything else.
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>>100168833
>Seemed they fought for seconds.

There it is again. Time passing.
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>>100168843

Shinigami are immortal. The only way to get rid of them is to make them break the rules of the Death Note (book), that will then banish them from existence. Another thing is that they're invisible to any human who hasn't come in contact with a Death Note (book). You can't kill them, you can't see them unless you're not a human, they can kill and possess humans, they're known as "Death Gods"... Yeah, pretty sure they wouldn't be low on the list.
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>>100169014
>Might need to make room for her in the Special tier. Risky to even have her on the list imo.
Well there are already two Eien Shinken characters on the chart, so I don't think having her on there is the problem. It's proving who's more powerful than who at the Multiversal+ level, which is nightmarish.
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>>100168023
Is that from the Eien no Aselia VN?
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>>100167990

Good Job Anon, i think it's Fit.
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>>100156837
>But his weakness is that he can't work without a puzzle in the middle.

That's not his weakness, it's more that he "won't" work without a puzzle usually. He's not limited to only using his power when there's a puzzle, after all there was no puzzle in terms of SICKS in the final arc.

Rather Neuro simple put down a rabid element that he deemed was approaching upon his hunting grounds with humanity. He's in no way limited to only work if it's a puzzle, but he'll only waste energy and won't get any return back from something that isn't a puzzle.

Still it was stated near the end of the stroy that he was reduced to 1/10,000th of his real power upon forcing his way into the human world at the beginning of the story where any other demon would have just died by breaking the barrier between dimensions.
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Ill say this again if Demonbane is omnipotent then why was it fighting Liber Legis.

If Demonbane is omnipotent why does it need to summon other Demonbanes.

If Demonbane destroyed its entire universe why did it not destroy other Demonbanes.

If Demonbane destroyed its entire existence, who remade it?

These are plots holes in its Omnipotence.
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>>100169014
>>100168937
Better idea: there should be two charts. One for universal and lower for sensible powerlevels, one for universal and up for silly powerlevels.
Otherwise it's just going to get too damn cramped on these charts with all the characters being added.
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>>100169014
It's getting messy, though that's a given in power level threads.
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>>100169014
This one is pretty accurate in my opinion.
Now the only thing to debate is Vash and Obito.
>>100169064
If doesn't matter if no one can kill them. Can they do any major damage? As far as I know, they can only write the names of human's on their notebook to kill them off.
The majority of the characters on the list are beyond human.
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>>100168764
And if she just so happens to write herself above anything anyone can use before ever becoming aware of her?

>>100168780
Special tier

>>100168797
He'd beat Obito, Vash, and Korosensei all at the same time then. Vash is pretty well placed, he isn't a planet buster.

Accel is lower than index because she has access to magic and all the grimoires while in john pen mode.

>>100168827
ahhhhh ok.

>>100168937
Agreed.

Now, wait a damn minute. Why in the fuck is Sailor Moon so high? Above Sakura? What??? Did I miss something? Do I need to rewatch sailor moon?

>>100169014
I'm not really sure if she belongs there or in the special tier. Is she herself omnipotent, or is it just the shukumei? If it's the latter, she belongs in special tier, if the former she stays at the top.

>>100169152
I'd say Vash is good where he is. Obito...well he's definitely up for debate.
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>>100169124
The essence of his existence is fighting evil. He will fight evil even if he doesn't have to.
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>>100169014

Could you remove the "archer" tag from Gilgamesh? in CCC (which is when he fights at maximum power eventually) he is does not fall under any classes and is just refereed to as Gilgamesh.
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>>100169014
I don't particularly mind her where she is but I agree she's a strong contender for the special section. From the brief description we've got of her in this thread, her universe tier power comes from her ring which makes it a bit weird.
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>>100169264
Why is he fighting evil? Why does he not just erase Liber Legis.
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>>100169282
Sure thing.

Here you go.
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>>100169211
>Now, wait a damn minute. Why in the fuck is Sailor Moon so high? Above Sakura? What??? Did I miss something? Do I need to rewatch sailor moon?
She is too high, but she's broken as all hell.
She destroyed a galactic menace and beat Sailor Galaxia, who could destroy planets on a whim.
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>>100169264
>>100169325

Stop arguing over a concept that is beyond human comprehension please.

>>100169361
Much appreciated
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>>100169014
Wait a second. Who's Myuugi and why is she higher than LoN, Tenichi and freaking Demonbane?
I can't find the wiki.
And Othinus stronger than Ollerus
Also, give yourself a pat on the back anon.
Good work.
>>100169211
>Vash is pretty well placed, he isn't a planet buster.
Okay. My statements were based on the one time he used his arm to blow up a chunk of the Moon.
>I'd say Vash is good where he is. Obito...well he's definitely up for debate.
Agreed.
>Accel is lower than index because she has access to magic and all the grimoires while in john pen mode.
Wait, there's some debate to be made about this.
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The top of the chart is getting pretty damn crowded. If this keeps up we might just wanna settle for drawing a line across the top of the chart and declaring everyone above it to be pointless to argue over.
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>>100169361

Add Super Buu, Vegito and Gogeta (Vegito and Gogeta should be around the same level)
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>>100169466
I have yet to have my question answered.

Why is an Omnipotent being fighting, and even going so far as destroying the universe to kill Liber Legis.
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>>100164494
>There's nothing ambiguous about her. She's connected to the Root, so she can warp reality to her whims on all universes connected to it

Nasu confirms some of what she said in that epilogue was a bit bullshit.
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Question:

What does exactly fall into the "demon being" category? Do vampires and the like count?
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>>100169489
Check >>100168023
Sounds fucking OP as fuck.
And she doesn't sound special enough to be in the special clause. So I put her up there.

Also, thanks.
I honestly can't believe I got everyone to agree.
These sort of things usually end up being a terrible shitstorm.
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>>100169361
Just one thing, did we drop the idea of dividing the physical and magic based characters?
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>>100169503
This. Either above-universals should be put into a chart on their own for mad people to bicker over, or just do away with the whole sodding thing.
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>>100164812
He's never even been close to ever showing anything close to a limit on his power. His stats are all basically maxed out, and the only time someone can even get a hit on him is when he's not serious at all.
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>>100169515
What's the difference between Vegito and Gogeta anyway? Only the method of fusioning?
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>>100169554
>Nasu confirms some of what she said in that epilogue was a bit bullshit.
No, he didn't. He confirmed that she can't technically kill God, because she can't perceive it as 'alive'. Which is something regular Ryougi said in Chapter 3, not Void in the Epilogue.
Nasu's ranking for her just below Arc but above the likes of Zelretch and Aoko somewhat validates what she said, if anything.
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>>100169579
No real reason but I decided to just use the original (past model) since the division had the annoying scale and people were bickering over terminology of who went where and it lead to more bullshit.

I can scale it back using the new chart we made here but it might be more of a hassle than anything else.
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>>100169615

Earrings are stronger than the Dance
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>>100169489
see
>>100168023

Personally I find it weird putting her on their level because at the end of the day, beings like Tenchi and LoN are absolutes in their fictional setting, they cannot be exceeded and without them there is no existence.
Myuugi has a ring that lets her destroy multiverses. Incredibly impressive yes, but as far as I can tell, the existence of all things in her fiction is in no way reliant on her continued existence.
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>>100169615

Yep. Gogeta's fusion lasts for a set period of time while Vegito's fusion lasts forever.

>>100169666

The Elder Kai never said this.
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>>100169361

Cleaned the top tiers a little bit.
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>>100169666
Pretty much.

Permanent fusion > limited time fusion.

>>100169677
Yeah, I'm still unsure what to do with Myuugi and I sense it might lead to bickering but I have no clue where to put her except in the Special but she doesn't truly belong there like some others.

I really don't know.
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>>100169515

What?, Goku and Bills is up there, no need to even use more weaker one.

Anyway Totaly Pleased with that chart, good job anon.
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>>100169695
Oh, nice, thank you.
This makes it very organised and much better.
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>>100169665
Let's get this done first. Then we can decide how to organize it or something.
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>>100169660
Can't kill god, any Aristotle because perfect being, Arcuied of course, and can't physically match a servant.

If she can't even kill an Aristotle then I kind of doubt she can simply poke the dot of all reality and end all of existence here. Of course she's still strong here, but not omnipotent or anything by far.
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>>100169720
If you can't justify putting her in special just leave her where she is. Maybe we'll get more details about her some day that'll make her position a little less shaky.
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>>100169399
>dat second panel face

Is Sakura stronger than Clow Reed was?

>>100169466
isn't that lazy writing?
>Herr no human could comprehend such concepts
>We ain't gotta properly explain shit

>>100169489
http://vndb.org/v26
This anon explained her >>100168023

>>100169489
He blew up a chunk of the moon, he didn't destroy it. He can destroy continents at best.

Basically, Accel can only manipulate the vectors of what he can calculate, and he has to understand it to calculate it. With all the magic john pen mode can use, which is basically all of it, he wouldn't be able to win.

>>100169515
There's no point. The only other person stronger than them in canon is Whis.

>>100169720
I'd say put her in the special tier sense she's purely reactive. She doesn't create, she only erases.

Great job /a/non. Both on the edits and somehow keeping a large scale power level thread to such a civil level.
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>>100169695

Out of top15 characters 2 are dudes.

Muh sexist chinese cartoons.
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>>100169687

In a line by Old Kai, he said that the Potara fusion was "better" than the fusion dance.
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>>100169824
>isn't that lazy writing?
>Herr no human could comprehend such concepts
It's based on cthulu mythos. that shit thrives on that which man cannot comprehend.
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>>100169824
>Herr no human could comprehend such concepts
>We ain't gotta properly explain shit

Cthulu mythos. It isn't meant to make sense.
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>>100169891
>>100169940
Ahhh. All that Lovecraft
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>>100169784
No one's saying she's omnipotent. Also the 'not killable by the MEoDP' is only provably true of ORT and Arc at full power/at night. Other Aristotles are all up in the air, since they're not all cut from the same cloth. And besides, that only applies to the MEoDP, it doesn't say anything about Akasha hax.
It's also pretty circumtantial, under the right circumstances she can erase an entire timeline.

I'm not arguing she should be in anything other than Special, by the way, just making it clear that she does have significant power. We just don't know how much.
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We need awakened Unit 01 somewhere near Aiwass level as a divine being.
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So, anyone else that needs to be added or anything that needs to be changed?
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>>100169754

Pretty sure Vegito and Gogeta are much, much, MUCH stronger than Goku, especially since they can both reach SS4 (even in their basic forms they are extremely powerful... Now imagine if they went SS4, and yes, fusions can go SS4)

>>100169847

I've been in countless debates and I can honestly say... Both are around the same strength. The only thing Vegito has over Gogeta is that Vegito's fusion is permanent whereas Gogeta's isn't, meaning that Vegito could just stall until Gogeta defused. Now, whether or not Vegito could take on SS4 Goku + Vegeta... I have no idea. They would definitely have the number advantage...

>>100169891
>>100169940
>>100169950

I dislike Lovecraft.

All that

>WAAAAAAAAAAAAA IM SO SCARED IT IS BEYOND MY COMPREHENSION MINDFUCK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

is not my cup of tea.
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>>100169824
>Myuuji
Okay, let's keep her on top. But there's gonna be bickering about this. Especially with Demonbane.
>He blew up a chunk of the moon, he didn't destroy it. He can destroy continents at best.
I'm happy with Vash. But lower Obito.
>Basically, Accel can only manipulate the vectors of what he can calculate, and he has to understand it to calculate it. With all the magic john pen mode can use, which is basically all of it, he wouldn't be able to win.
According to people on BakaTsuki:
"Index can use ridiculous types of magic, at least pope-level. Accelerator can reflect most types of particles, except for ones required to react to surroundings, like light, sound, etc. As long as Index doesn't have powers like Dark Matter, then Accelerator would win due to being unaffected by Index's attacks. I'm not sure if Index would be affected by physical objects, but I assume she would."
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>>100169950
Little did lovecraft know his works would feed a japanese mecha-designer's egotrip.
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>>100169825
Tenchi is so manly he counts as 20 dudes.
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>>100169964
>We just don't know how much.
We kinda do. Her reality warping powers are weaker than Arcs and her fighting power put her in Ciel tier
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>>100169990

Vegito and Gogeta are the strongest DB characters in Canon before the new movie.
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>>100169979
I want Myuugi to be at the same level as Tenchi, LoN and Demonbane. The implications that set her higher than those are just too meta.
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>>100170073
>We kinda do. Her reality warping powers are weaker than Arcs and her fighting power put her in Ciel tier
We also know that Nasu powerlevels aren't linear. She's above Zelretch who could blow up the Moon, and above Aoko who's a universal threat. So where that leaves Arc and Ryougi is all up to guesswork at this stage.
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>>100169979

Reimu has to be changed. I'm not getting why Reimu is so high, or why she's even on the list at all besides special.

She's a normal human shrine maiden with only two parts that are notable; one that she can phase in and out of existence indefinitely (aka Fantasy Nature without the Spell Card limits), which besides making her untouchable for some, also might mean a lot or nothing at all if danmaku is a factor (specifically whether it's lethal or not ) as she can endlessly spam homing danmaku during that.

The other thing she has is being able to summon Shinto Gods, which depending on which Gods are included or not, may not mean anything as well (at the very least, it allowed a crappy space rocket created by technologically inferior youkai to make it to the moon [and they still needed help from Yukari Yakumo to do that], and in the same said story, it allowed somebody that actually trained [as Reimu is a lazy fuck that doesn't train and gets by on being talented] to wipe the floor with their whole group both with and without the Spell Card system).

Other than that she's still your normal human. Besides Fantasy Nature and summoning of Shinto Gods, she can also fly, shoot danmaku, create barriers and eat anything she wants without risk of becoming fat because of the Yin Yang Orbs and that's it.

There's nothing particularly strong about her, not unless there's a theoretical "Not A Lazy Shit Reimu" in play here, and even then that would require a lot of fan wank for her to be viable here.

(And before somebody says Reimu has canonically beaten the entire cast in Touhou, the Spell Card system in Touhou makes it possible for her to beat most Youkai in the series in the first place, so namedropping her victories past the PC98 era means jack shit when it comes to power levels).
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>>100169990
SS4 is no longer canon. It never happened. Besides, SS god is stronger.

Where would Mugetsu(Bleach) fit in on this? That was the strongest thing in bleach to date, how does it measure up to everything else?
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>>100169990
One thing is to dislike it, another is to call it lazy writing.

>stop being mean anon
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>>100170029
Alright, placed Obito a bit lower.
He's from Naruto, so no one is really going to care about him either way.

>>100170081
Should I make two character slot or just have Vegito/Gogeta and place it higher/near than Goku?
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I thought about it. The simple fact that Demonbane has to fight implies that he is not Omnipotent. There cant be two opposing Omnipotent entities in a universe/multiverse. If Demonbane was Omnipotent there would be no need to fight.
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>>100170160
You're actually going to place Vegito/Gogeta on the chart? Why not just swap Goku with SSJ God mode?
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>>100170137
Alright, placed Reimu a bit lower.
Anywhere in particular that she should be?
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>>100169979

Reimu has to be changed. I'm not getting why Reimu is so high, or why she's even on the list at all besides special.

She's a normal human shrine maiden with only two parts that are notable; one that she can phase in and out of existence indefinitely (aka Fantasy Nature without the Spell Card limits), which besides making her untouchable for some, also might mean a lot or nothing at all if danmaku is a factor (specifically whether it's lethal or not ) as she can endlessly spam homing danmaku during that.

The other thing she has is being able to summon Shinto Gods, which depending on which Gods are included or not, may not mean anything as well (at the very least, it allowed a crappy space rocket created by technologically inferior youkai to make it to the moon [and they still needed help from Yukari Yakumo to do that], and in the same said story, it allowed somebody that actually trained [as Reimu is a lazy fuck that doesn't train and gets by on being talented] to wipe the floor with their whole group both with and without the Spell Card system).

Other than that she's still your normal human. Besides Fantasy Nature and summoning of Shinto Gods, she can also fly, shoot danmaku, create barriers and eat anything she wants without risk of becoming fat because of the Yin Yang Orbs and that's it.

There's nothing particularly strong about her, not unless there's a theoretical "Not A Lazy Shit Reimu" in play here, and even then that would require a lot of fan wank for her to be viable here.

(And before somebody says Reimu has canonically beaten the entire cast in Touhou, the Spell Card system in Touhou makes it possible for her to beat most Youkai in the series in the first place, so namedropping her victories past the PC98 era means jack shit when it comes to power levels).

Korosensei is a bit too early to say, we don't know everything about him besides him being a tough bastard to kill bc of speed + super specific weaknesses
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>>100170081
>>100170160
Thanks.
Just drop Gogeta altogether. Vegito is like a stronger and improved version of Gogeta.
I propose either putting God-mode Goku instead of regular Goku or just putting Vegito in there. But we don't know how he'd scale with Bills.
>>100170145
>Bleach
I'm still saying that Aizen shikai is the strongest ability in Bleach. Total fucking control over all five senses=You are actually living in his world. He can induce so much pain that you lose your mind. He can twist your reality so much that you kill yourself, etc etc.
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>>100170133
>Zelretch who could blow up the Moon
The Zelretch that appeared in F/sn is old Zelretch who is stated to be much weaker than at his prime
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>>100170215

Shit I thought I got Captcha wrong and post didn't go through, ignore this
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>>100170208
>>100170252

I was mostly kidding but I was wondering if people really wanted Gogeta/Vegito on the list.

Though I guess I can simply put ''Saiyan God'' over Goku and be done with it.

Gimme a sec.
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>>100170160
>>100170252

We don't know how strong either of them are honestly, neither of the ever fought at full strength.

Just leave it at Goku because he is well known
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>>100169660
>Nasu's ranking for her just below Arc but above the likes of Zelretch and Aoko somewhat validates what she said, if anything.

That quote also has a hyphen that literally says (Aside from servants) in the quote, meaning if they were factored in she could easily be lower. People love to forget that part because "Ryougi can kill servants" or whatever, but it's in there.

>Q: Who's the top three strongest characters?
>A: Magical Amber, Neco Arc, and Tiger. Well, not really. Seriously, it's Arcueid, "Ryougi Shiki", and primordial demons.(Not counting Servants)
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>>100170137
Her firepower is greater than that of Marisa, who at the very least can burn down a mountain, but that's just peanuts. In the HRtP Bad Endings, she loses control of the Ying Yang Orb and it blows up the Earth. That's just what happens when she doesn't control it, never mind when she's actually capable of wielding it properly like in the later games.
That combined with Fantasy Heaven casually makes her Fiamma level.
>(And before somebody says Reimu has canonically beaten the entire cast in Touhou, the Spell Card system in Touhou makes it possible for her to beat most Youkai in the series in the first place, so namedropping her victories past the PC98 era means jack shit when it comes to power levels).
This is hilarious considering that her most impressive victories and feats are the ones in the PC98 era. She dodged actual lightspeed attacks from Yumemi and defeated Shinki who created a dimension consisting of several star systems at a minimum.
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>>100170145

Sorry, I haven't been following DB for a while.

Still, it's likely that they both could reach levels higher than SS god since they are both a fusion of two pure-blooded Saiyans. That's my speculation at least.

>>100170275

I think that's sufficient enough.
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>>100170257
Nasu didn't say anything about characters not being in their prime in the rankings, though.

>>100170304
>Muh unfounded speculation
No one knows what it means, or where servants would rank either. Servants being more powerful than Zelretch is laughable, regardless.
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>>100170316
Alright, there we go.
Saiyan God.

That should cover him from SS to SS3 to whatever he transformed into in the movie.
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>>100170252
I thought it was actually his bankai, and we never saw his shikai. Whatever, there isn't really a way to measure them.

>>100170316
SSJ god is basically the focused power of 5 saiyans put into one, with goku as the base.
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>>100170213
You can put Reimu right back where she was, >>100170137 doesn't know what he's talking about.
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>>100170315
Never knew about the Bad Ending of HRtP so my bad on that. Definitely agreed that PC98 era Reimu feats are the real feats because they weren't holding back then at all.
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>>100170304

Amaterasu is above Arc, even at full power Arc only has a extremely low chance of beating her we discussed this earlier in the thread.


These Fucking Captcha's are getting stupidly hard
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>>100170341
Stop posting older ones.
But shit that reminds me, >>100170373 where's Lain?
>>100170408
If we do put Bleach on there, I say Aizen should be pretty high, but below the reality warpers and Gods, since anyone seeing his shikai/bankai is fucked.
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>>100170341
Wow, was that the old chart?
So much of a difference.

>>100170417
Alright. Done.
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>>100170366
>No one knows what it means, or where servants would rank either. Servants being more powerful than Zelretch is laughable, regardless.

If they didn't fit into that listing then he wouldn't even both mentioning (Not counting servants), if everyone on the list was undeniably greater than servants then there's no reason to even add that. The fact that he added it means it would change the result otherwise.

Yeah there can be servants greater than Zelretch, like Buddah perhaps. Fact is pretty simple though; you can laugh at it however you want, but unless a servant could potentially change the rankings there was no reason to add a hyphen.
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>>100166157
>Medaka
>All Fiction
>Erasing Planets

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Wow, just wow. I bet you think Zenkichi is a Maintain Buster since he managed to Damage lithiklo huh?
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>>100170463
The original is the only one worth posting. Everything else is convoluted fan pandering.
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>>100170460
Mainly in the Mooncell Network where gods become truth, and thus are greater than natural phenomenon.
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>>100170463
Lain is in the special tier.
There was a debate wondering if Lain should even be on the list since she, at best, controls humans and simply blowing up the earth and killing all humans would easily kill her.

It was a fair point so I put her in the special tier.
She's next to Bobobobobobobobboboo.
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>>100170373

please add these >>100168780
>>100169062

You don't have to put individual DN characters if you're lazy, just add "Shinigami" (Divine Being + Special Power)
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>>100170470
Damn it. Forgot to post it.
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>>100170373
I'd still say Kumagawa should be special tier, but that's up for debate.

>>100170463
He doesn't even bother with his bankai in his final form. I think someone figured a way out of it. I don't remember.
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>>100169575

C-could anyone answer this...?
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>>100170563
Whats with the Omnipotent +1 characters?
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>>100170485
>Fact is pretty simple though; you can laugh at it however you want, but unless a servant could potentially change the rankings there was no reason to add a hyphen.
And it could've been the strongest servant to go between Rougi and the Primordial Demons, so you know shit whether it affects her or not. The fact that she's still above Zelretch and Aoko demonstrates that she has some serious power at a minimum, and if servants are somehow above her, then that just means servants and Arc are even more powerful than originally established. It's not rocket science, you know.
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>>100170505
What do you think is wrong then?
>>100170525
Got it.
Also, I love how Saitama is in special tier. I would love to see the butthurt if you put him next to LoN or something.
>>100170563
Looks good to me.
>>100170580
I still don't get why he needed the hogyoku if he had his shikai ability. I mean, if you think about it, I can't see him losing to anyone under the power of his shikai. There must be some kind of limit to how much he can change or something. Or it might be all Keikaku.
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>>100166157
>Medaka
>All Fiction
>Erasing Planets

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow, just wow. I bet you think Zenkichi is at least continent buster since he managed to damage lithiko huh?

P.S. Medaka never got All Fiction ever in canon, anybody saying otherwise is spouting bullshit and is talking out of their asses.

>>100170563
>Somebody ABOVE the Holy Trinity
Excuse me? Did you just go full retard?

Also, Sailor Moon has never displayed ANYTHING ABOVE UNIVERSAL let alone anywhere near MULTIVERSAL capabilities.
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>>100170563
So...can we add Gatekeeper Yumekui Merry to the special tier? Would she be applicable to this chart?
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>>100170701
Nothings wrong with the original. Trying to fix something that isnt broken is where the problems arise.
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>>100170563

I would complain that Arc isn't a magic user, but none of the other types even fit her, calling her a divine being would just be a insult to her. just put her under special power?

Gilgamesh should be Divine being / Reality Warper / Weapon user


>>100170677
>Omnipotent +1

>>100170741
Read the thread
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>>100170563
Reimu She shouldn't be below Fiamma, they're on par at the least. She definitely shouldn't be below Rei, Fantasy Heaven makes her immune to soul manipulation from the likes of Yuyuko and others.
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>>100170563
Myuugi being above Tenchi and LoN is still weird, Same level is fine but above is too far.
Tenchi and LoN are absolute beings of creation, they're both the lynchpins of all existence in their own fiction and could theoretically easily create a ring Identical in power and function to Myuugi's. Myuugi is a person with a ring which can erase things without limitation in her own fiction but as far as I can tell, she can't create anything and her omniverse (or whatever you call it) in no way needs her or her ring to keep existing.
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>>100170776
>Omnipotent +1
Dont look at me, im not the one who is currently making the chart retarded.
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>>100170792

Where would Yuyuko be on this list anyway?

I mean a ghost that can invoke death in anything with a concept of death has to be placed decently here right?
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>>100170809
In that case Featherine should be at the top as she can rewrite other universes from her own. She pretty much breaks the 4th wall and takes what the real world author wrote and changes it.
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Why did the charter go from "not sure about putting Myuugi on here at all, this will probably cause stupid arguments" to "Fuck it, let's just put her above the omnipotent trinity"
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>>100170809
>as far as I can tell, she can't create anything

See: >>100168023

>It brings into reality whatever the wielder wants
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>>100170877

She's indestructible and can kill anything that lives.

Pretty damn high.
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>>100170768
More characters were added, meaning the chart covers more franchises. That is definitely an improvement. You can't actually complain about more characters being added.
If you think someone should be placed higher or lower, say so with sound logic.
Also,
>Nothings wrong with the original.
Made in Heaven higher than GER
>Index higher than Accel
>Dio lower than Alucard
Yeah, right.
>>100170563
Also, seeing the old chart made me notice that the "John's Pen Mode" tag is missing from Index.
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>>100170923
How is that any different from any one else? Thats not even any different than any other reality warper. That makes her lain tier at best.
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>>100170968
Thats John Pen Index who is pretty much the most powerful entity in the franchise.
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>>100170923
granted my mistake, that still puts her on the level of an absolute at most, not above it.
Tenchi, LoN and Demonbane (maybe) are all capable of simply giving themselves the same properties on a whim.
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>>100170977
>That makes her lain tier at best.
Did you not read this >>100168023 ?
>Basically her automatic defense is such that anything that wants to hurt her gets erased.
>It brings into reality whatever the wielder wants.
>it erases from existence whatever the wielder feels revulsion towards including universes
>She killed thousands of multiversal level reality warpers and gods.
> She's a leader of a group of omniverse jumping beings that eat universes for their mana.
Either put her at the top/alongside LoN and Demonbane or put her in Special Tier.
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>>100170562

... Anyone?
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>>100170977

Lain can create new universes?

Eien Shinken multiverse had beings like Tenchi or LoN.

Eternals that came later were even more powerful. Myuugi killed thousands of Eternals.
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>>100171012
>pretty much the most powerful entity in the franchise.

Hahahaha No, The current Magic god is above that
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>>100170776
>Read the thread

I was in here longer than you, and I know more about those characters than you, fuck off.

Fixed it, since the guy doing it is retarded.
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>>100171070
>Multi-verse "had"

I doubt that. As Tenchi and LON do not exist in their realm, they are the realm.
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>>100171057
I don't know anon. The only thing DN Shinigami's have been shown to do is kill humans, and they don't even do that properly. I recall the police keeping one as a 'pet'.
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>>100170923
There are a few people on this list that can do that already. reality warpers are common. Unless it goes into demonbane levels of detail in regards to being able to disregard all laws of reality in the process, it's not God of all creation and existence level.
The fact that she devours multiverses for their mana at all is a mark against her at this level, since requiring any kind of sustenance would put her below an omnipotent deity.
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>>100170580
I placed Kumagawa in the special tier, now that there's room again.
If anyone gets annoyed about it, you can place Myuugi in the special tier.
I still don't know if she belongs there but it's open, so there's that.

>>100170792
Alright, done.

>>100170776
Made Arc a special power just for you.
>>100171088
Wait, what did I screw up?
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>>100160283
Wait what?
Assuming she did make the star disappear, the lightwaves travelling towards earth has already been sent. The star would be there for years or even decades before disappearing. (assuming she didn't just kill off Jupiter or something.)
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>>100171088

I've been here since the beginning of the Thread before this one, Idiot

>>100171169

Ty for the Arc change.
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>>100171088
In which universe is GER lower than Made in Heaven. Just explain your logic.
And that chart looks messy as fuck. If you want changes, just say it. The anon doing it is pretty good if you ask me.
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>>100170741
>P.S. Medaka never got All Fiction ever in canon, anybody saying otherwise is spouting bullshit and is talking out of their asses.
I fucking hate you so much for making find this sodding page. You utter fucking twat.
>Erasing Planets
It's range casually extends to the entire Earth at least, as seen in the GLK episode. And it was written by Nishio, so don't give me that 'non-canon' crap.
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>>100171231
>Hurr well I've been here longer!

>>100171254
Cool, she used all fiction

> as seen in the GLK episode

Except anime doesn't count as canonical you fucking twat. That's like saying the DBZ anime is canon. Next.
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>>100171316
>That's like saying the DBZ anime is canon
Does that make a difference?
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>>100171169
Okay, everything looks good to me.
Great job anon.
Saved.
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>>100171169
Now this looks good! I could argue that Myuugi is still higher than the others but the difference is so small nobody notices it at first glance.
Safed!
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>>100171316
>Except anime doesn't count as canonical you fucking twat. That's like saying the DBZ anime is canon. Next.
>And it was written by Nishio, so don't give me that 'non-canon' crap.
I know reading is hard, but at least put in a little effort, for crying out loud.
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>>100171169
Is Myuugi actually a divine being? like is she actually a God?
I thought her power came from a ring.
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>>100171437
It does. She is a reality warper. I dont see how she is any different than Lizzard.
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>>100171410
Never mind that Kumagawa even stated that he could accidentally erase the world if he's not careful, right near the start of his appearances in the manga.
>Muh canon
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>>100171169
Still not sure about the Vash-Obito thing [Vash has more raw power] but good work.
Saved.
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>>100171247
I'll have to fix that.

>>100171344
A big difference

>>100171410
Cool, so you're still using an outlier/Gag Feat that happened in a GLK episode. You're still wrong.
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>>100171469
Kumagawa is a pathological liar, the fact that you're believe his words makes you an even bigger retard than the faggots that believe Cell could bust the solar system when he claimed it.

>What is hyperbole?
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RIP Thread.
Thanks to the anon who worked on the chart.
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>>100171405
>I could argue that Myuugi is still higher
And you'd be argued down every time. The others (cept maybe demonbane but lets not argue that again) are omnipotent beings. In the proper sense of the word in that in their own fiction there is absolutely no exceeding them. You can't go above that. If you could they wouldn't be omnipotent. which they are.
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>>100171505
>A big difference
example? I don't actually know if DBZ did anything in the anime that was above what the manga did.
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>>100171437

Eternals are gods.

They are basically a fusion of various creatures and Eternity Swords, incredibly powerful artifacts with their own will.

It's a symbiotic relationship.

We don't know what she was before she because one with her ring. She might have been a god, just as she might have been a normal human.
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>>100171578
No problem, it was fun.
I'm glad we can all agree and worked together to build the chart and fix whatever wasn't right.
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>>100171620
>Eternity Swords
Keep forgetting this is linked to Aselia. hurry the fuck up Jast.
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>>100171169

Still didn't add Shinigami?

*sigh*

Fuck it, I won't even bother saving this. Actually even better, I'll just do it myself because fuck you.
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>>100171620
So, shes not even a self made god.
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>>100171505
>>100171544
>Actually demonstrated onscreen
>Stated in the source material
>Certain skills have even been shown to blow up stars in the canon source material
>B-but it's not canon you guys! It's hyperbole! Pls believe me ;_;
Yeah, I think we're done here. Please don't bother to respond, I'm too tired for I'm-wrong-so-I'll-try-rusing technique.
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>>100171664
CHECK THE SPECIAL TIER. OH MY GOD. CAN YOU EVEN SEE?
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>>100171683
Or the source/lynchpin of all existence like LoN and Tenchi.
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>>100171703

;_; my bad
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>>100171664
Are you blind, I added it, at bottom right, in the special tier. Come on man.
I even picked the one everyone would immediately recognize.
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>>100171737

S-sorry I didn't see it ;_;
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>>100171683

No, but her Eien Shinken is. And now they are basically one being.

She's so exceptional though that it's unlikely that she was a normal human. You can't just put an Eternity Sword. They choose hosts. Some wait for suitable hosts for millions of years.
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>>100171697
He swore blind that Medaka didn't know All-Fiction and that people were lying, and he was proven glaringly wrong.
I don't see why anyone would take him seriously in the first place.
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>>100171612

The DBZ anime is full of fillers and if anything is just an adaptation of the manga, the original source. Also GT and the other movies are often invoked as canon when talking about the anime, so that's why people stick to the manga.

>>100171697
>ONLY does it ONCE
>SEE HUH I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU KUMAGAWA can casually erase teh planet

Yeah no, thanks for playing though.
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>>100171754
It's cool. No worries.
You're still a bro for helping the list.
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>>100171723
Well thats obvious. She sounds like shes stuck between Demonbane and Lizzard now. Like Lizzards stout grandmother.

>>100171760
Who cares. She was made by something else. Shes a byproduct.
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>>100171760
Does it actually end up mentioning why they look for a host? like why does a being like Eien Shinken want/need one?
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>>100171820

They are incomplete without hosts. No matter how powerful they are still items, they need a user.

There are exceptions though. Narukana is an Eien Shinken that needs no host.
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>>100171793
>He says he can erase the planet
>Does it
>B-but he only did it once, it's an outlier!
>He should erase the Earth all the time!
You're not even trying anymore. Look, you were called out on being a moron on the whole Medaka All-Fiction thing, and now you're wrong here. It's pathetic, please stop.
I don't want to indulge you anymore, so have some decency.
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>>100171169

Sure took time, but this is easily the best of these charts so far.
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>>100171807
>She was made by something else. Shes a byproduct.

Just like Demonbane.
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>>100172069
Yeah, exactly. Isnt Lilith and Eva also in the same boat?
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>>100172095
Wait, so isn't a byproduct?
Featherine?
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>>100171169

Add Yugi/Yami from Yugioh

He can consistently topdeck the best cards, summon powerful monsters, heal and protect himself via cards and even summon the three Egyptian God cards who basically wreck everything. I'm pretty sure that makes him high in the list.
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Fixed. Stop putting hybrids and byproducts up there with the true Omnipotents.
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>>100172069
I'm not actually sure that's how it works with demonbane. It's a but murky in the way only cthulu mythos. something along the lines of in one reality Demonbane was always like that from the beginning of time and in another reality it starts out as a mech that fights monsters in Arkham.
>>100172142
who isn't a byproduct?
Tenchi and LoN. dont know about featherine
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That special tier box is quickly becoming the fuck off box. It supposed to be for characters who are difficult to place, not for character who are vague powers that are never really shown.
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>>100172263
To be honest, it's kinda what everyone in that box is.
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>>100172263
>>100172316
That's essentially what it's for. It's to keep the NLF faggots from shitting up the threads with their vague bullshit characters. It's worked pretty well so far, it should stay that way.
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>>100171938
>What is consistency?
And you were wrong about Medaka being stronger than Ajimu or her being able to use All fiction to erase the planet, which she didn't before you start claiming that she can. Kumagawa did it in a fucking gag episode written by Nisio. It was a gag feat, get over it.
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>>100172195
Get over yourself. The whole point of all of them being in the same place is because it's impossible to gauge their strength and properly compare as they are all either Omnipotents or Omnipotent killers and will likely break the multiverse just by being in conflict for a few seconds. There is no logical way to prove either of them stronger as all of them are above that.
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>>100172195
Thank you
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>>100172374

Hey, fuck you.
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>>100172409
>And you were wrong about Medaka being stronger than Ajimu
What?
>or her being able to use All fiction to erase the planet
She didn't, she can use skills to greater efficiency than their original users. Therefore if Kumagawa did it, so can she. QED.
>Gag action feat in my gag action series
Do you want me to take you seriously? I don't think you do.
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>>100172419
>>100172195
>>100171169

Why the fuck is Alucard so low? He's basically unkillable due to his god-like healing ability.
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>>100172520
Was intended for >>100172380. Not that it matters when arguing with these incredulous dunces.
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>>100172409
No, the fact that they are byproducts, artificial or hybrids in its self makes them inferior and not Omnipotent. The girls on that level all need items to make them selves powerful. Demonbane needs to Fight evil. These are chinks in their armor.

Tenchi and LON do not need to fight evil, they decide a certain evil needs to go and it does. Tenchi maintains a multiverse, LON maintains 4 multiverses.

Thats the difference between being absolute in their respective fiction and not.
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>>100172541
His destructive ability is pretty low compared to others. Or he hasn't truly shown his full extent of his power that wasn't destructive on a massive scale.
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>>100172541
>Every fucking thread
Because he couldn't hurt 80% of the characters on the chart if he tried. It'd take him the better part of a day just to destroy a city, his offensive powers are piss-weak.
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>>100172195
>>100172419

Oh boy, retards are here.
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>>100172541
because like halfway up the chart you hit characters with planet-busting powers. Immortality doesn't count for too much on a chart like this.
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>>100172541
I dont know. I didnt watch the OAVs. But Probably because everyone above him is ridiculously strong?
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>>100172618
Seems right to me.
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>>100172597
Let them do what they want. I already saved the final version >>100171169
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>>100172419
How the fuck is Battler, a multiversal sorcerer that low?

>>100172520
>What?
Okay
>Therefore if Kumagawa did it, so can she.

Kumagawa did it in a gag episode written by Nisio. What part of gag or consistency do you not understand?

>Do you want me to take you seriously?

I stopped taking you seriously after you claimed Medaka was stronger than Ajimu.
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>>100172618
>Reimu still below Fiamma
Why. The guy arguing for her to be lowered even dropped the claim, here >>100170447
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>>100172664

That's because it is the same as >>100171169, just with a minor typo fix

Can this thread please die already?
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>>100172673
People bitched even though we've been over that Battler E99999999 is fucking powerful and that he punched the fuck out of Bernkastel who felt the pain when she fights with Big Bang and shit.

People didn't care, since he's a crying faggot and asked to be placed lower.
Ah well.
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>>100172673
>What part of gag or consistency do you not understand?
It wasn't anymore of a gag than anything else in the entire series, it's presented seriously at that. Did you actually watch the episode?
Fuck this, the thread's almost dead, I've got better things to do than indulge a bitter ruser.
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>>100172791

Just because you think it's true doesn't mean it is.
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>>100172737

How about you reread the scene?

He was only able to hit her because the game was ongoing. Game rules forced their powerlevels to be about the same so they can duel with blue and red truths. Bern thought she won and let her guard down. That's all.

He's not even close to her outside the game and he admits it himself.

Watching her and Lambda fight almost fried his brain.
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Last thread of the last page.

Just to say I had a great time making this chart and I love all of you for helping out.

See you guys in the next thread /a/nons.
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>>100172833
It is until someone offers a counter argument other than "my guys power is infinity!"
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>>100172854
It's been fun. Til next time.
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>>100172409
>Omnipotent killers
If it can be killed it wasn't actually omnipotent.

The difference is Myuugi travels from multiverse to multiverse for mana. LoN and Tenchi don't need ANYTHING, if they did, they'd just alter reality so that they didn't. Their impossible to achieve deaths would mean the end of existence itself in their established fiction. This is not the case with Myuugi.
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>>100172776
>it's presented seriously at that.

Except it wasn't. all the Good Loser Kumagawas weren't meant to be taken seriously whatsoever. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>Muh Muh Planetbusting Medaka Box characters
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>>100172859

Maybe you should go read the Archived threads.
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>>100172903
>Except it wasn't. all the Good Loser Kumagawas weren't meant to be taken seriously whatsoever. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Muh unfounded speculation
>Muh Muh Planetbusting Medaka Box characters
Ajimu blows up a star and Medaka takes out the Moon.
Yeah. Don't bother responding in foolz, save it for the next thread.
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>>100172904,1
The busting the moon doesn't equal busting a planet...
>Muh unfounded speculation
That's makes two of us.



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