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this show is all over the fucking place, i came for the artstyle but now im stuck cause i watched a few episodes.

does this shit pick up ever.
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>>100145286
At least don't watch the last episode
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>>100145391
Well there's still like 12 minutes left.
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Less than 2 weeks until the BD with the true ending comes out.
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>>100145286

I really didn't like it. It was way too SJW for my tastes, and Hajime is an annoying bitch. There's a good fight in the final episode, but I found the show to be - overall - aggressively annoying.
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>>100145476
I'm a /pol/ack and Gatcha was my AOTY. Weird.
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>>100145476
>It was way too SJW for my tastes
I don't remember Hajime talking about feminism.
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>>100145576

It's weird: I didn't find anything *wrong* with the show, I just seriously disagreed with the message. The pacing was all over the place, and I didn't like that the moral is "People are basically good, and the answer to gun control is to give EVERYONE guns."

Also, what was with the MESS?

>>100145607

It's more that a large number of the characters involved were gender ambiguous/ homosexuals/cross-dressers. Ugh.
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>>100145715
>It's more that a large number of the characters involved were gender ambiguous/ homosexuals/cross-dressers. Ugh.
What's wrong with that?

>gun control
Oh boy here we go.
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>>100145715
Guns are made to kill while Crowds are inherently neutral.
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>>100145468

Is it just speculation or we are going to get an extended ending on blu-ray?
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>>100145715
>I didn't like that the moral is "People are basically good, and the answer to gun control is to give EVERYONE guns."

Hahaha, are you fucking kidding me? That is the solution, liberal faggot.

Crossdressers with shotguns. That's the world I want to live in.
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>>100145766

Simply put, I didn't like it. I'm not even sure why this show was called Gatchaman, because they had almost no relation to the original team in any way that mattered.

In complete honesty, the show just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm a firm belief in the old-school Kamen Rider framework for shows like this: You have super powers, here's the bad guy, solve the problem by kicking him so hard his entire body explodes.

Also, I generally prefer extremely cynical settings: While Gatekeepers 21 (for example) isn't an excellent show, the moody, brooding atmosphere, the downbeat feel to the city, the way everyone and everything is decaying both physically, morally and spiritually...That's more my speed.

Gatchaman Crowds is relentlessly optimistic, and I found Hajime to be incredibly annoying: She has basically no actual characterization, and she's right all the time. There's no-one that the typical male viewer can empathize with, except that white guy - Joe's protege - who doesn't really do anything.

Furthermore, I don't like the egalitarian - And needlessly optimistic, to my mind - idea that giving everyone powers is a good thing. I've always felt that if you do that, society will collapse, because the number of bad people outnumber the good: They'll turn on each other like starving monkeys with knives.

Now, I'm not saying that it's a bad show. (Well, except maybe that rushed ending.) I'm saying that it's a show I fundamentally disagree with, on every level.

Also, good LORD is Hajime annoying. I seriously wanted her to be proven wrong, or at least posed with a personal challenge to her worldview.
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>>100146037
It's confirmed.
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>>100146138
I believe that the show was originally just gonna be Crowds, and the Gatchaman part was rushed for marketing or something.
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>>100146138
That literally has nothing to do with being irked with homosexual and crossdressing characters.
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>>100145858
No you are wrong! Guns were made as shields.
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>not liking every minute of Crowds

get taste fag
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>>100146138
>I've always felt that if you do that, society will collapse, because the number of bad people outnumber the good: They'll turn on each other like starving monkeys with knives.
So the solution is to let bad people control everyone?
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>>100146161

sauce?
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>>100146138
I agree with pretty much everything you just said. I thought Hajime was a fantastic character at first because I wanted to see her overcome adversity. Turns out there were no hurdles in her way because she was right all the time and Katze was a pushover of a villain. And they made him out to be some world destroying Galactus type public enemy number one so I have no idea how the hell there can be a sequel. Also there were a thousand mysteries left unanswered that I was waiting to see come back into play. Like what the hell was the deal with the MESS or the aliens who were in charge of cleaning them up back at Gatcha HQ? It just felt like they had so many interesting things that could have happened but they pulled every punch and there was never really a sense of danger.

>>100146353
Even Rui's plan only involved an elite few who were constantly monitored being the defenders of the people. That was much smarter than the alternative of giving every single person the power to ruin someone else's life at a moments notice. The prime minister manned up at the end; it didn't seem like any of the characters in power were bad people. I can't imagine that not having negative repercussions but with this show they'll do it.
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>>100146253

To be frank, I find their casual acceptance of it to be kind of disgusting. I come from a conservative country - Singapore, to clarify - where open homosexuality is illegal. Homosexual intercourse, for instance, is an offense that can be punished by imprisonment, and people like that are actively shunned - Even if they're only homosexual in private.

Same for crossdressers. I personally find the idea repulsive. The show barely mentions it - It's just something they accept, except for Suguha, who's just mildly surprise. (The white Gatchaman, I mean.)

>>100146353

Define bad people. I'm all for the 'privileged few ruling over the unwashed masses' idea, myself - On the grounds that the general population can't be trusted with power. That's why we have governments: And, for instance, why there's a single Superman in comics, instead of everyone being granted the powers of Superman.

It takes an exceptional person to - for example - be Kamen Rider. You can't just submit everyone to the process, because nine out of ten times you get a Shocker kaijin.

It's like in Singapore, no-one except the police and the army are allowed to have guns. As such, we have almost no gun deaths.
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http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/99565325/#99577111
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>>100146520
>it didn't seem like any of the characters in power were bad people.
Yeah, but that's not how it works in reality.
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>>100146552
For >>100146421
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>>100146551
>To be frank, I find their casual acceptance of it to be kind of disgusting.
So it hurts your feelings basically.

>On the grounds that the general population can't be trusted with power.
But you can trust the dumb masses to vote the right people into office?
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>>100146677

> But you can trust the dumb masses to vote the right people into office?

Anyone who can sway the dumb masses into putting them into power is, by definition, head-and-shoulders above your average person.

I'd clarify that I mean it more in a typical superheroic sense: There's only a few exceptional individuals with the capacity to use the power responsibly. Most people just fuck things up.
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>>100146803
It doesn't mean they are above average in the right ways to lead others. Look good and speak nicely and you can sway the masses.
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>>100146868

That's really all you need.
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>>100146552
>>100146596

Thanks man, that's great news
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>>100146868

That's kind of besides the point.
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I thought it was great, I gave it a download because I liked what I heard of the soundtrack and wound up watching the whole thing in one sitting. The ending was iffy but I can wait for the BD's.

8.5/10 would watch again.

Rui best girl.
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>>100147163
How is it? You are operating on the assumption that those granted power are inherently better at leading others than the average person. I see no reason why this is the case.
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The main character was waaaay to autistic for me. Dropped after 2 eps.

Genki is good, but she was just autistic.
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>>100147327
She grew on me after a while. She was still probably my least favorite, but I started to like her by the end.
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>>100147327
>autistic

Do you even know what that word means?
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>>100146551
>Homosexual intercourse, for instance, is an offense that can be punished by imprisonment, and people like that are actively shunned - Even if they're only homosexual in private.

Just curious, isn't it then illegal for you to be on a website which sometimes displays images of crossdressing and homosexual activities? I mean there's a 200+ post homo thread up right now.
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>>100147249

I'm not that guy, actually. If someone's charismatic enough to get everyone to vote for him, that means he's inherently better at leading - Because he can get them to support him.

If you can't get people to support you, your actual competency is irrelevant.
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>>100148652

It's homosexual acts that are punished, really. As long as you don't fuck someone in the ass, you're in the clear.
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>>100148357
>implying that word has any sort of meaning at this point
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>>100146138
>Also, I generally prefer extremely cynical settings: While Gatekeepers 21 (for example) isn't an excellent show, the moody, brooding atmosphere, the downbeat feel to the city, the way everyone and everything is decaying both physically, morally and spiritually...That's more my speed.

nuBSG must have made you cum buckets thenb.
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I don't know what the second season is going to be about, but if it doesn't include SoL scenes I will be extremely pissed.
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>>100150249
I always am curious what is the justification for laws that are victimless. Of course even the US has laws that punish people for things that affect nobody but themselves such as gambling which is illegal in many states.

I can understand the conservative mentality to some extent. Like it should be illegal to be a slob. It should be illegal to be fat. After all it is disgusting to look at.
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>not loving a series which has the basic take home message of, "Don't feed the Trolls"
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So why exactly did people hate the ending?
I know a lot of people agree with me that the solution was stupid ("Oh gee, Katze gave almost everyone CROWDS and now they're wrecking everything. I know, let's give EVERYONE CROWDS, that'll fix it."), but I wonder if there was something else.
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Hajime has such a nice body. Too bad she's an annoying cunt.
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>>100152215
She was really cute. I just got tired of the fact that she never looked like she cared about all the people dying.
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>>100146552
>Actual confirmation
Well holy fuck.

If it is actually fixed, I'll crown it the AOTY.
It better make up for it though.
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ending was stupid
> humans with powers go out of control and act evil
> humans with powers and a stupid farmville point system causes them to act inherently good
> see katz! humans won't fuck themselves over!

one hell of a soundtrack though
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>>100152411
Did anyone actually die though? Other than government officials.
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>>100146138
If you removed Hajime, I would've really enjoyed this anime.
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>>100152689
It could have been much better with more fighting. The lack of conflict really ruined it.
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>>100152724
U kiddin me?
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>>100152992
>people napping
So what?
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>>100145286
I like this show because it aims to solve problems through community interaction and participation, rather than going super sentai for everything. Of course, the show relies on the idea that most humans are good people who will contribute back to the community though there are always a few trolls and troublemakers.
Haijme is a personification of Liberal Arts mindset of the David Foster Wallace variety.
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>>100146130
>That is the solution, liberal faggot.
Oh, God, Murricans.

Does "liberalism" in the USA now mean banning guns? Do Murricans even know what the word "liberal" means and that it is about GRANTING freedoms?
Why don't you just speak Zulu instead of twisting the English language?
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>>100153192
It's fucking Gatchaman, it should've been sentai as fuck.
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>>100147327

She wasn't autistic at all, she was extremely socially minded.
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>>100153328

Yeah, Crowds is doing it wrong. You're suppose to defeat it by blowing it up with BIRD MISSILES.
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>>100153377
Too bad she was close to precisely no one.

She treated everyone the same. She wasn't a fucking human being. She was just a robot who was permanently on some shallow "happy" setting who had no real sense of self outside of her ridiculous delusions that were somehow supported by reality even though the outcome was ultimately complete bullshit.
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>>100145715
>It's more that a large number of the characters involved were gender ambiguous/ homosexuals/cross-dressers. Ugh.

My neonazi friend watched it and liked it, you just sound stupid.

And are you new to /a/, or anime as a whole, if homosexuality/crossdressing still surprises you? Have you ever watched Utena or Evangelion?
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Japan doesn't have a gun problem.
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>>100153194
Blame Eisenhower
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>>100145715
So you're upset that other countries aren't as closed-minded as yours?
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>>100152689
That's pretty much how it works, at least in the online world. Go play any decently populated MMO. If there are clear, fun and reasonable player progression paths and a decent reward/ranking system for playing the game legitimately, the majority will tend to gravitate toward that. Take that away and you get rampant griefing and hacking.
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>>100153748
>at least in the online world.

We're already living in an online world!
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>>100153748
That's NOT how it works in the real world, though.

Look, see, even suspension of disbelief can only go so far. Let's say that there's a scale, with one end (ending at 100) representing cynicism and the other end (1) representing optimism.

Crowds is at -500. Even the most optimistic human being in the world would call it ridiculous.
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>>100153748
But all you get in Gatchaman for being a good citizen is epeen, while being bad means all the TVs you can loot and women you can rape.
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It was a very optimistic, colourful show with a lot of focus on it's themes, which was nice to see. I can't wait to see what they're going to do for S2, and how much more fabulous Nakamura can make it.
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>>100154039
>But all you get in Gatchaman for being a good citizen is epeen

They'll make it so you'll be able to customize your CROWDS with different outfits. Like hats.
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>>100153879
Your city didn't build and doesn't run itself. The concept is the same, only exaggerated because of the game part.
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>>100154328
Yeah because that always turns out so well.
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>>100154368
Just because the concept is similar doesn't necessarily mean it would work the same.

Yui should have shut down the Crowds system the moment things stopped. You can't expect everyone to be responsible with that kind of power. Considering the rate of incidents involving drunk driving, I can only imagine what kind of shit would go down if everyone had access to Crowds.
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>>100154543
The PM even handwaves it away at the end. Something like, "Yeah, we've got crime, but we're working on it. Trust me."
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>>100154543
Crowds is a physical representation of the internet. It has the power to destroy the world, but it has done more good than bad since its inception.
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Any info on season two other than it being greenlit?
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Gatchaman Crowds isn't a story.

It's just a tool for sending out the director's shallow-as-fuck heavy-handed message. The protagonist isn't a real character; she's just a messenger. Everything about her is completely shallow. Her personality, character relationships, just everything. She's always right, nothing ever challenges her, she's just nothing more than a mouthpiece.

Crowds is nothing more than one long, glorified "love and peace" message.
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>>100154758
I want to lick Ruirui's armpits.
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>you will never play the game
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>>100154754
That's because it's actually pretty hard to hurt anyone with the internet.

I guarantee you, within a few months, you'll probably find a bunch of idols and voice actors' girlfriends/boyfriends murdered in their apartments. Yes, maybe Crowds would do more harm than good, but the harm it CAN cause can has far more serious repercussions than anything you can do with real-life modern internet.
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>>100154801
Done well enough for nobody to mind.

You say this like everybody doesn't already realize this. Also, it's not written by the director, but that's kind of irrelevant.
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>>100154994
Pretty sure plenty of people mind.

It wasn't "done well". They made no effort to explore the issues of, well, ANYTHING. The entire message is biased as fuck.
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>>100147327
She's the opposite of autistic. Citsitua.

She's so citsitua that she forms healthy bonds with and between all kinds of people.
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>>100154964
>That's because it's actually pretty hard to hurt anyone with the internet.
Scams. "Cyberbullying". LOIC. I'm sure you can name more, just looking at 4chan's history.
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>extended ending in BD release
>confirmed S2

Good things do happen once in a while
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>>100154964
>you'll probably find a bunch of idols and voice actors' girlfriends/boyfriends murdered in their apartments.

They all have CROWDS too though.
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>>100155126
There's a lot bigger flaws with Crowds than it's heavy handed message. There is also a lot bigger positives. It's not like it is an unpopular message in the first place.
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Is OD die?
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>>100155303
They can't be awake to use their CROWDs all the time. Plus, there's also the option to gang up on someone.
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>>100155319
>a lot bigger positives
Like what? The protagonist is barely a character. The pacing was shit. The character dynamics were pretty shallow too. The entire show is just shallow as fuck.

>It's not like it is an unpopular message in the first place.
Yeah, if I wanted a PSA shoved down my throat, I'd watch one of those old 90s Sonic cartoons.
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I hope season 2 has a threat that can only be defeated when eight billion people use CROWDS together.
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>>100155498
Yeah but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lbOi9XJcOg
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>>100155126

I liked it.
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Why did Hajime accept Berg Katze into her tits? Why did Berg Katze become Hajime's tits in the first place? Is Hajime suppose to be some sort of Jesus figure or something?

This fucking ending man I swear.
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>>100155498
>Like what?
One of the best voice performances of the decade, anything involving it's aesthetics (besides animation quality), creative world, entertaining dialogue, and many nice character concepts even if they didn't really get anywhere(OD, Pai Pai, utsutsu, X).

No one is pretending it is well-written at all, but it's still one of the better shows of 2013.
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>>100155699
She sealed Berg Katze in her chest so she could learn about The Heart
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>>100155740
>entertaining dialogue

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Half the time I was watching it, I just got irritated every time a character opened their mouth to say just about anything.

Dialogue was also pretty shallow.
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>>100155808
Even if you disagree with one positive, there are still 4 more written down there.
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>>100155699

It's like sealing a demon.
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>>100155626
that's not even the best song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYhRg9Bq4Zs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kOmnN3OLPc
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>>100155740

Don't forget the music
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>>100155934
>1st
Top lel
>2nd
Nice, but does it have GATCHAMAAAAAN? No? Exactly.
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You know what really pissed me off most about CROWDS?

It wasn't the ending. It wasn't the shitty pacing. It wasn't the shallow story and characters. It wasn't the heavy-handed message.

It was that solid fifteen minutes of the characters monologuing about how great and wonderful Hajime is and how she changed their lives and how everything she ever says and does is great and wonderful and holy shit WHO THE FUCK WRITES LIKE THIS? I've read self-insert fics on ff.net that were less retarded than this bullshit. REALLY SHOW? YOU'RE SERIOUSLY GOING TO SPEND A SOLID FIFTEEN MINUTES VERBALLY SUCKING ON THE PROTAGONIST'S HYPOTHETICAL COCK?

That was the moment I hated CROWDS. Because up until then, I was was okay with it. I mean, I still thought that the pacing was terrible and the story and characters were shallow, but I didn't outright DISLIKE it. But no. Right then and there. That's when I realized this show is shit.
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>>100155997
>aesthetics
Trust me, I'm an Iwasaki-fiend, I wouldn't leave it out.
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>>100155996
>Top lel

Don't use terrible memes here.
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>>100156029
Yeah that part was pretty bad. No defense here. Maybe it was a budget thing.
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>>100156029
They played Unbreakable Network during that so I didn't mind.
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>>100156029
that part really was bad
i was fucking hyped with the finale and we got half an episode of dick-stroking for Hajime
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>>100156108
No. NO.

I don't care if they were running low on budget. There are ANY NUMBER of cost-cutting measures better than that. You don't spend fifteen minutes verbally fellating your already SEVERELY mary-sue protagonist. That is NOT good writing. There is NO WRITING CONVENTION IN THE WORLD that would consider that to be ANYTHING other than supreme-shit-level writing.

These people are all talentless hacks.
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>>100146138
>I've always felt that if you do that, society will collapse, because the number of bad people outnumber the good: They'll turn on each other like starving monkeys with knives.

I hear that strangely enough this is a retarded disaster movie cocnept that people ended up taking as fact. in reality people tend to be less retarded and more open to working together when shit goes cray cray
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>>100156224
Stop using caps lock please.
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>>100156029
>clipshow with inane monologue
Nakamura had to do something they probably only gave him half as many shoestrings as they paid for [C]
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>>100156029
Well you were kinda fucked since it was the second last episode.
And if it's removed for more action by the end, it might be excusable.
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Oh shit this thread is still around

yeah the show is still pretty eh, i mean hajime is one thick bitch that i would hang out with but man all of the character motivations ans actions are all over the place.
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>>100156224
>>100156029

You sound really angry.
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>>100156224
Dude, calm the fuck down.

Hajime was a paragon of good, she needed the dick stroking because she was special.
To dedicate an entire half episode was done because of budget, not narrative.

Hajime being a mary sue was well implimented in the show.

Hajime is the paragon of Good.
JJ is the paragon of Neutral.
Berg is the paragon of Evil

And everyone is grey and is affected by those paragon and change throughout the show.
It's well done and Hajime is special in a way.

And not in the ''look how fucking awesome she is'' but in the ''she's unique and has a different point of view on how she does things''.
By the first episode, she pretty fucking bored out of her mind.
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>>100156032

I was just watching Noragami episode 2, right at 11:15, heard those vocal noises that I heard in the GC track Tutu, then I checked and bam, it's the same guy
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>>100156295

No man, people are shit, the world is shit, GC is wrong, I know the facts about humanity
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I didn't know Crowds could get people writing all these essays about it, this is funny
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>>100155740
>One of the best voice performances of the decade
You've gotta be kidding me. All the VAs were obnoxious as fuck to me and not believable at all.
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>>100156347
I mean, look.

To be honest, I liked CROWDS less and less as the show went on, but I was still genuinely curious as to how it would end, hence why I stuck with it. So I just kind of looked past all of its glaring shortcomings in order to see just where it all would lead.

The show was already sucking on Hajime's non-existent(?) penis from day 1. She was always perfect, she could never do wrong, she was the one in the right from beginning to end. No matter what happened, no matter what anyone did, she was the perfect mary sue.

And then, in the second-to-last-episode, they actually spend over half the episode outright saying all of that.

It's like, okay, you know how sometimes you're willing to overlook certain things? Things that you don't really like but, well, fine, let's just look past all that. But then, the show basically decides to rub in my face everything I pointed out about Hajime. It's like it couldn't just leave it alone. It couldn't let me look past all that shit. It had to line out, detail by detail, everything that I was willing to ignore. And it pissed me off.

I honestly didn't give a shit after that. For some reason, I did end up watching it to completion, but I just didn't care. CROWDS is still available to the public? Whatever. Katze is wedged between Hajime's cleavage or whatever? Fine. I don't care. After that shit in the prior episode, the fifteen minutes of Praise to Our Lord and Savior Hajime, nothing else that happened in that show could really affect me anymore.

I don't normally get angry at fiction. If I don't like a story, I'll either just stop caring and toss it aside or, if it's short enough like CROWDS was, I'll at least see it through to the end before throwing it aside and perhaps lamenting for a minute or two about the time I wasted. But somehow, for some reason, I can't let those fifteen minutes pass. Those fifteen minutes just piss me off more than I thought any form of fiction could have ever pissed me off.
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>>100156830
I bet you can't even recognize which one i'm talking about, pleb.

It's so obvious and leagues better than the rest too.
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>>100156851
>getting upset about a character being flawless
you spend too much of your life dealing with fanfiction
consider suicide
Like seriously you sound like an ANN reviewer
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>>100156887
Enlighten me then, please.

The only experienced one seems to have been Daisuke Namikawa anyways.
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>>100156956
It's not the character being flawless that annoys me.

It's the fifteen minutes taken to monologue about how flawless that character is that pisses me off. If those fifteen minutes didn't exist, I imagine CROWDS would just be another time-waster that I'd have probably stopped caring about at some point shortly after watching it.
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>>100157128
You could have literally just skipped that part
You had that option
It's fucking fifteen minutes of your life
That's what, one and a half fap sessions?
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>>100157094
>Mamoru Miyano
Katze Berg's performance.
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>>100157173
Oh, and here I was, thinking that you wanted to highlight GOOD performances, not utterly disappointing ones. Bergkatze falls under obnoxious and too extreme, not even in a "but that's the point!"-way.
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>>100157169
>You had that option
How was he supposed to know that they'd spend the 15 minutes on the praising?
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Just watch it for the Saya lookalike loli.
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>>100157325
Needs more Rui
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>>100157240
It's obvious that you are just pulling opinions out of your ass since your last post claimed Daisuke Namikawa was the only experienced one in the show.

>not even in a "but that's the point!"-way.
Saying this doesn't make that not true. It is the point. Katze Berg is an over-the-top deployment of evil villain tropes all explained imply by insanity. There is literally no way to make that work without being obnoxious or extreme.
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First off, I didn't actually know that they'd spend over half the episode doing that.

Second, I think I was just kind of mesmerized by the sheer audacity of it all. Either the writers are completely incompetent at their jobs or they actually thought that this was an okay thing to do. It's like looking at a train wreck: it's awful, but you just can't look away. I can't help but almost respect these people for thinking it was actually okay to air this shit.



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