Is this some sort of cruel joke?
I don't get it. Isn't that all the Bebop there is?
Why? What do you mean?
Talking about Bebop; I need to buy the boxset that was finally released last month.
It's better if they just leave it at that. We don't need Cowboy Bebop to turn into Star Wars Episode I.
and 50 different osts
Cowboy Bebop Season 2, along with three OVAs, and with four additional movies confirmed.
Oh god. OH GOD. No... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
You're Forgetting the Live action movie in 2009 and the 5 CDs with 14 Remixes of 'The Real Folk Blues,' each.
That was dumb but I lol'd anyway.
Cowgirl Ed. 52 two eps starts this summer.
You speak are lies give me a link to prove me wrong!!
Hey! I'm about Spikes height...
There will eventually be a season 2.
2 live actions.
for a second there i almost fell for that. im not joking either.
I'm actually kind of surprised Bebop hasn't been milked like this for instant profit.
Watanebe is an artist, not a Jew like Hideko Anno and George Lucas.
Sure, that's why he came up with the leave-the-door-open 'I'm not sure whether spike is dead' shit, amirite?
Not popular in Japan
Lucky Star was. Lucky Star is superior.
Someone Got a vlcsnap or something of at the very end where he goes "... Bang!" ?
This proves that Japan loves shit.
Really I was under the impression that moe anime was the peak of TV quality.
I was not aware that Anno and Lucas were Jewish names.
Short for Annostein and Lucasburg?
It's weird, some of the best anime series of all time have done really poorly in Japan.
Trigun and Cowboy Bebop come to mind. Both shows were great, yet never took off in Japan.
Also, Hellsing is more popular in America/UK than Japan.
...Shit, Bebop was good. Damn.
Is it showtime yet?
lol, didn't champloo, did you faggot?
same with Baccano, they're Western shows so easier for us to understand, and more difficult for the Japanese
ITS THAT TIME AGAIN!
lol, didn't see champloo, did you faggot?
So, did you make that, or did you just happen to have it lying around?
made it expressly for this thread. mod deleted it.
watanabe is a hack. champloo proves it. well, champloo sort of proves it. champloo and bebop are both higher quality than a whole lot of shit, but the recycling is shameful. even gainax doesn't recycle that hard.
I'm listening to Call me Call me now.
They eat eggs and Ed walks away. FUCKING ART.
No good animes are longer than 26 episodes anyways.
That explains why GL is so bad.
champloo is like seasons 7-9 of the x-files. it shouldn't have the power to cast the quality that came before it in a negative light, but it does so anyway. i was so excited for champloo since the moment news of its production broke in america. "how could it be bad?" i wondered. as my anticipation mounted, i willfully lowered expectations since i didn't want to dislike it for not being bebop. THEN IT TURNED OUT TO BE BEBOP, BUT NOT IN A GOOD WAY.
I CLOSE MY EYES AND I KEEP SEEING THINGS.
RAINBOW WATERFALLS SUNNY LIQUID DREAMS.
It's been all these years, and I still haven't watched that one terrorist episode.
Maybe I should get around to it.
Oh come on, I shed manly tears at that scene. Both of them were stuffing their faces to keep from showing how broken up they were. Manly men don't cry in front of other manly men. That's why Spike waited until after he killed Vicious to cry
CONFUSION CREEPS INSIDE ME RAINING DOWN.
Cowboy Bebop was very popular in Japan, and has demonstrated almost as much staying power as Evangelion. It's been released on DVD there three times now and still makes top 10 lists from various publications... almost no other shows from the 90s have managed that.
However, it just wasn't the revolutionary break-through series that it was in the States. At least not in the same way.
Seriously? The cowboy whatshisface guy is awesome, and the fight is wicked.
it's weird too, since bebop fetishizes american culture so hard. well, i guess it's not weird. sheltered, ethnocentric american pig disgusting.
Probably because Americans related better to the Cowboys with Guns concept. Also, Americans are sci-fi geeks.
So, sci-fi + guns cowboys = super American.
well, i mean it's weird like if the last samurai did better in japan than america.
though it's also weird how much samurai shit comes out in japan and gets eaten up by the youth, considering how right wing that shit is.
I just realized I never watched the last two episodes. I remember trying to dvr them back in '02, but stuff kept happening causing me to miss it. I think now it's a way of denying that it's over. Those two unwatched episodes means there's always more Cowboy Bebop out there for me.
I don't understand your argument.
But anonymous, the year IS 2002!
Those last two were the best in the show, and one of the best anime endings to date. Man up and finish it, Jesus...
Well, Cowboy Bebop actually had a lot of Hong Kong action film references, stuff like A Better Tomorrow II and The Killer, which are popular all over Asia, and have influenced a lot of people in the anime industry.
champloo is a rehash of bebop, in so many ways (often entire episodes are repeated). it owes almost all of its content to bebop.
bebop is a show expressly about being free and original. it's hard to take it seriously knowing the director went on to make such moneychasing self-imitation.
(the x-files comparison stems from the fact that the show got so bad in its last seasons that it's difficult to enjoy the earlier stuff after seeing the later seasons)
poster of "pig disgusting" post here. all america-bashing aside, bebop has a strong story, interesting, well-delineated characters, intelligent humor, great animation, great action, etc. it has timeless aspects that transcend the references that it makes, or even the setting in which it takes place. it was bound to be at least moderately popular wherever it was released.
fuck champloo though.
congratulations, you have been missing the greatest anime ending of all time! go ahead and watch them, keep the movie reserved as emergency new content
Fixed for Japan
I've already watched the movie, and loved it :\ I'll probably buy the boxset soon, and watch them. The price barrier on the dvds had also been holding me back for a while.
Watanabe will never be able to do better than Cowboy Bebop. His style, while radically different from most, is very easy to spot. His contributions to the Animatrix struck a cord with me right away, and I wasn't surprised when I looked it up and found his name.
I know how pretentious that sounds, but as a guy who takes his art as seriously as he does, Watanabe is probably wracking his brains trying to come up with something better. Samurai Champloo was great on it's own, but everyone who saw it just saw "Bebop-lite," and I think he's paralyzed trying to figure out how to one-up himself.
So in he's overshadowed by his past success.
So in other words, is he the Wes Anderson of anime?
sorry, no, that is not an excuse for champloo. there is SOOOOO much repetition in that show, from the central 3 character dynamic to the verbatim repeated rocco episode, etc. that's just plain being a hack. he needs more ideas. if he's serious about his art, maybe he should try making a different anime next time, better or worse.
no way, at least bebop was good.
am i the only one who thinks this shit was just "ok" i enjoyed outlaw star more then this crap and outlaw star wasnt even that great.
Yes, he ripped himself off a lot, and there is no excuse, but even with that, Samurai Champloo was a very decent production, which is more than can be said for the 99% of the waves of MOEBLOB that strike every season.
My point is though, that no matter what he does, it will always be compared to Cowboy Bebop.
>>waves of MOEBLOB
gb2/ANN and sucking Answerman's cock
>am i the only one who thinks commas are just "ok" i enjoyed periods more then this crap and periods wasnt even that great.
my point is that if doesn't flagrantly rip himself off, the comparisons won't be as harsh. after champloo, i can't say i'd be remotely excited about seeing anything else he makes. sure it's better than moe, but it's not much different than most moe series; glossy, well-animated rehashes of the same shit.
I don't know what those words mean
Well made point. I concede and amd swayed by it. No really, you changed my mind. No sarcasm.
Samurai Champloo was made by a totally different production company, that specifically hired Watenabe to help them make a Cowboy Bebop ripoff. So ZOMG THEY'RE ALWAYS HUNGRY AND CAN'T EAT LIEK IN BEBOP!!! GOLD!!! But little actual time was spent on things like, you know, the story; and while the direction in Champloo was great, it was the story that was lacking, a matter for which I entirely blame the producers, whose job it is to make sure things like this don't happen. Ever.
that was me
are you agreeing with me? because honestly the only person i know who loves this anime is a mainstreamfag
Champloo wasn't Bebop lite. It had some Bebop-lite moments, but overall they were two different shows. SC stuck a lot more to the plot,and had a lot more humour.
he's making fun of your writing skill, stupid.
all bebop vs champloo or even "is bebop really that good?" flames aside, the endless repackaging of bebop is shameful. and i don't even mean it's shameful for being done... sure, make that money if you can. but at least track down directors, actors, etc and interview the hell out of them, or have multiple, subbed commentaries, etc.
repackage shit with a lot of content and i'll let you steal my money by selling me essentially the same thing. release "best of" dvds and you'll sell them to stupid faggots who would have just bought the initial dvds anyway.
Whut? Samurai Champloo had a LOT OF GREAT episodes. I can even mention a few that are as good as Cowboy Bebop was at ITS BEST.
The episode were Mugen learned to read. And the double episode with the blind woman are some of the best of Watanabe. And that's just three episodes. I'd say at least 5-6 were on par with the best from Bebop.
because "Watanebe" is an artist, unlike hacks such as hideaki anno, amirite?
Hideako has no talent. He destroyed Kare Kano,and made Evangelion at least 13 episodes too short.
Champloo's only good episodes were the comedy ones. The reading one, and the baseball ones, they brought the lulz, and all was good. If the show had just been a straight up action/comedy, it might have been alright. But when it was trying to do something other than parody samurai swordfight flicks, it failed, and failed hard. The only serious ep. that came anywhere near close to being as good as a Bebop ep. was the one with that Chinese assassin guy who killed people with his chi . . . and even then, it wasn't as good as Bebop.
And what about Mugen's drowning sequence in...what is it? Episode 14? Good Lord that was amazing.
I don't know why people are bitching about Champloo; if you look at it separately from Bebop as it's own entity, it's great on multiple levels.
You forget that the serious episode with the woman who got forced to become a prostitute because of her husband's debt, the episodes with the blind woman, the episode with the thief who stole for his mother's sake and the episodes which were about Jin's and Mugen's past were fucking awesome.
Champloo was so fucking self-impressed with how fucking cool it was that it set my teeth on edge. I'd rather marathon Bleach fillers than watch this series.
You know what I'd hate, I'd hate to make a piece of work (Show, Art, Story, Poetry, etc.) so great that it overshadowed everything else I did. Honestly, you guys are expecting too much of the man. Just take the show for what it is.
I don't see it.
if i re-edited bebop, but dubbed in the name "David" whenever someone says "Spike" and called it "Cowboy David", it would be a pretty good show if you considered it as a separate entity from bebop. get it?
you are an idiot. how exactly did anno destroy karekano, and where did you get the idea that it was anno's idea to run out of money for eva?
calling people who changed the face of anime hacks because you're some high-end action anime fanboi faggot is laughable. anno has consistently made new things (though all around similar themese), in multiple media. watanabe made a great anime, a short for the fucking matrix, and then the same damn anime as his popular one.
>>10016196 I'd rather marathon Bleach fillers than watch this series.
Just...just get out and die. You can't have good things.
People with talent usually have a sense of budgeting. Blaming the TERRIBLE ending, and with ending I am talking about the 5-6 last episodes, on the budged is a terrible excuse.
My favorite anime was NGE,until I saw the last 5-6 episodes. You could easily see that Anno had no fucking idea about where to go next with the show. He ruined it completely.
And as for Kare Kano; it was coloured manga on screen. They barely moved. Most of the first 8 episodes I watched consisted of background pics,still drawing with a voide talking in the background.
>the episode with the thief who stole for his mother's sake
oh you mean "waltz for venus"?
i think that applies a lot more to anno than watanabe. i haven't seen any evidence to suggest that watanabe has even tried to do something different than bebop, much less better. looks to me like he just wants to make some money so he can buy more weed.
you obviously don't know anything about the production of NGE. also, while you might not evangelion as a whole, guess what % of anime fans that places you in? but watanabe is An Artist!
Watanabe is an artist? [Y]
Anno is mediocre at best [Y]
Now,I have to go to school.
have fun killing idols at school, loser. it makes you very smart to see past whatever those millions of gainax fans are tricked by.
and they are all fucking amazing
in light of the "watanabe: is he a hack?" argument, notice what a stark contrast yoko kanno is to watanabe. her work in, say, escaflowne is COMPLETELY FUCKING DIFFERENT than almost all of her work in bebop, yet both sets of music are brilliant. there's an artist.
I agree. Yoko has dipped into every genre I can think of and came out with something smelling to me like sweet virgin loli must smell to pedobear.
While Watanabe's status is debatable, she is a fucking master.