Do we have any reason to believe he's half as strong as he acts?
I mean, obviously Hisoka is powerful, but are there any solid indications that he actually belongs in the same class as the top tier Nen users he's constantly seeking to fight?
He actually seems ALMOST like a Goku-esque "I just wanna fight strong opponents!" simpleton who gives little thought to whether or not he really should. What's the evidence that he's a match for the likes of Chrollo Lucifer? Or Isaac Netero? Or any of the other powerhouses he has expressed desire in fighting?
The whole "we don't actually know the full extent of their power" thing only works if you have some indication that it is truly more than you're ready to comprehend at the time. It's not like he's gonna show us something more impressive than what we saw with Meruem, so what's the point of making a mystery of it anymore?
He was the 3rd strongest spider in terms of physical strength. Combined with his gum, I'd say that makes him pretty damn strong.
Chrollo teamed up with him during the exam arc. I doubt Chrollo would have teamed up with someone he didn't respect so they must be at least relatively close.
His most impressive quantifiable achievement was being strong enough to join the Troupe and being ranked 3rd in strength. Beyond that, as ridiculously diverse as its potential applications are, Bungee Gum is hardly a worldbreaker of a Nen ability, and any interest he's shown in HxH's best fighters has been one-sided.
Even Illumi is just kinda blase' about the prospect of fighting/beating Hisoka. Like, it would be troublesome, but hardly undoable.
I meant to say Illumi
isnt it implied he beat chrollo off panel during the chimera ant shit?
I don't remember that.
cause hes looking for someone new to fight while killua is bringing the dragonb-i mean, his sister to gon.
you could say he is a wild card
He's nowhere near as strong as Netero, but he's certainly on par with Chrollo. The thing is, he's not only freakishly strong, he's also brilliant. And he has an advantage in almost nobody knowing his nen abilities.
>It's not like he's gonna show us something more impressive than what we saw with Meruem, so what's the point of making a mystery of it anymore?
Hunter x Hunter has always tried to stay away from power levels. In their universe, skill and cunning trump all. That was a big part of the Chimera Ant arc. Mereum might have been the strongest being alive, but he was still mortal, and modern weaponry proved that. Even if Netero wasn't strong enough to beat Mereum, he still wont out with tactics. So even if Hisoka isn't as strong as Mereum, there is still a point in keeping his powers somewhat secret, since the series has shown that strength isn't everything.
Which would be fine if Hisoka didn't so obviously abide by some sort of honor code when it comes to duels.
Netero fighting Meruem was, despite proving to be the realization of his dream to fight a worthy opponent, ultimately about winning by any means necessary because the fate of humanity was on the line. Hisoka picks the strongest because he seeks the thrill of battle and wants to prove his own strength. These duels he seeks out are strictly about one-on-one "Who's the stronger fighter?"
Go to bed Carlos.
Sure, but he counts his tactical prowess as part of his strength. He deliberately hid his abilities from the spiders so he could use them against Chrollo without him knowing about them. He has an honor code, but it's exactly that, his own set of rules that isn't exactly what most people would consider just.
What exactly did he hide from them?
They all know about Bungee Gum and he explicitly showed Machi Texture Surprise during Heavens Arena.
Unless I'm missing something, they know what he can do. It's just that they've fallen for it.
It's not like you'll ever see Hisoka go all out anyway. Hiatus forever.
Just because they know what it does doesn't mean they can defend against it. Unless they use Gyo all the time and are fast enough to avoid each piece of it, they can't do much against it. And it's not like they can attack fast enough to avoid it since Hisoka gave up his own arms just to mess with Kastro.There's also Texture Surprise and we don't know how big he can make it since it varies from the sixe of his forearm to his entire back.
>strong enough to join the Troupe and being ranked 3rd in strength.
This is pretty good considering they had the Hulk.
>They all know about Bungee Gum and he explicitly showed Machi Texture Surprise during Heavens Arena.
He only showed part of the Texture Surprise during that arena bout. Recall, he used the texture against them to change the oracle predictions from that one girl. They didn't know he could do that, so they never suspected it.
Hisoka is the only character that is immune to dying in HxH.
That's gotta count for something.
>immune to dying in
That would be Killua and Gon only. Everyone else is doomed to die a completely random and uneventful death. I bet Ging will be killed off by a common cold or something.
Or getting crushed by a rock
The deadly cold is probably being saved for Hisoka, since it would be the most anti-climatic and unfulfilling death possible for him.
>Gyro dies offscreen and we never see him
>Cause of death: Fell down some stairs
It's One Piece all over again.
>Togashi writes again
>First thing we see is Gon at his grave
>4 year timeskip
>Even Illumi is just kinda blase' about the prospect of fighting/beating Hisoka. Like, it would be troublesome, but hardly undoable.
When has Illumi ever shown concern about anything?
"Hey can you disguise as me and hang around the Genei Ryodan HQ for a while"
He's a professional assassin cranked up to 11. He'd probably have the same reaction if he was hired to kill his entire family.
Speaking of which, how did he pull off that "illusion" with his arms getting cut off? I still don't get it
He just used his bungee gum and distractions to fool everyone. The 2011 anime explains it with the best detail step by step. It's been awhile since I looked at the manga, but I'm sure it's just as good there. I've actually been re-watching Heaven's Arena and my god the foreshadowing is layered on thick.
I don't remember if this was in the manga, but if you rewatch the first episodes he was in the 2011 version, he has more absolutely crazy abilities. Like how he made that one guy's arms slowly turn into glitter or the smoke copies he made of himself. Illusion or not, in this world more than 2 abilities shows something.
Also, it certainly might be over-confidence but when the entire phantome troupe suspected him of being a traitor for a moment, he didn't look even remotely worried. That and he got mad hard thinking about fighting an enraged Illumi after considering killing Killua.
Guess it was an anime only thing since in the manga, he probably chopped them off and used nen to stop the bleeding.
I wish Hisoka had at least been able to see Meruem somehow
Not necessarily fight him, maybe have some PLOT DEVICE just force him away after seeing him.
I just want to see Hisoka's reaction to all that raw power
The funny thing is that he never fights strong opponents even when he gets a good chance ( he didn't try to fight Bisky or Razor for example)
>isnt it implied he beat chrollo off panel during the chimera ant shit?
I just want to see Morel vs Hisoka.
GOAT fight if it ever happens
Togashi would probably kill the loser off so I don't want it to happen ;_;
I couldn't agree more. I was a little disappointed that he hadn't even heard of the incident.
Hisoka will never see Gon-san ;_;
Well, Bisky hides her power level as much as possible. If she went stronk mode and punched him in the gut he'd change his mind. As for Razor, Well, I don't know. I'd have to re-watch/read dodgeball to see why he'd back off.
Other than that, though...
No, it's not implied.
He's looking for a different person to fight because Chrollo's still nenfucked by Kurapika's bullshit
His hands were kind of messed up after that game of dodgeball.
He was also working to get Chrollo fixed up, which was far more alluring to him than risking any significant recovery time from fighting any one else. The only reason he even bothered with the games was for the chance to watch Gon for a bit.
I don't think he could beat Chrollo, Netero, or Silva/Zeno but he's probably still one of the strongest humans in the series. But the vibe I always got is that he wants to fight powerful opponents and doesn't care if he dies.
>tfw ideas and theories
>threads aren't worth much until a new episode is out
>classes start back so I can't enjoy threads anymore
Loving this series is suffering
Is there any indicaiton that Kurapika is as sexy as she looks?
I'd say that in most cases Hisoka wins the mental battle almost from the get go, making him more powerful in the actual fight.
why is the art of this series so shit
Togashi is on and off. York Shin had the best art, but then you'd see panels where everyone looks undetailed as fuck.
the anime cleans it up a lot, i actually prefer the anime to be honest. they just started the raid on the ant palace.
>being ranked 3rd in strength
What rank? Who was second?
In terms of physical, it went Uvo, Phinks, Hisoka. With Uvo dead, Phonks is the physically strongest Spider and I think Feitan came after Hisoka.
He probably didn't bother with Razor because he's a GM who can just send him out of the island with a card.
>Hunter x Hunter has always tried to stay away from power levels. In their universe, skill and cunning trump all.
Chimera Ant Arc was the opposite of that.
Sure, Netero used the bomb in the end, but all the battles were focused on Enhancers bashing the heads of Enhancers in with fists. Youpi bashing Knuckle, Netero bashing Meruym, Gon-san bashing Pitou. It was a lot of Dragonball Z physical powerhouse types ignoring skill and just pounding each other into oblivion.
Togashi was making a point while subverting the whole "powelevels aren't everything" point of view. He killing the king as he did was not random.
Just remember that he likes to subvert cliches, A LOT.
oh please, everyone was expecting DBZ battles and it turned into fucking Platoon.
The King dying was just a way to excuse him out of the plot because he was too strong, too gamebreaking to stay in the story as a hero or villain. A being with as much power as him should have been able to regenerate or rid himself of the poison, or at least it wouldn't have been surprising if he had that power, but surprising that he couldn't.
Netero lost the fight on outright on the grounds of pure power. Arguing otherwise is like saying Pitou tied Gon-san because she forced Gon to cast a shitload of Vows/Limits on himself.
What is the ranking of kurapika's breasts?
>excuse him out of the plot
I feel like once Togashi started to give up, this is what he did with everyone. Gon should be dead by now, but nope, just pass him off to Ging who didn't want to be bothered anyway. Kurapika's gonna die off panel. He's had death flags around his head since he made that vow and no doubt he'll die an un-glorified death and not even get buried. I just wanted a happy, carefree adventure with the whole cast not all this heartbreak.
Except Knuckle was still playing hit-and-run with Youpi the entire time. So that leaves us with 2 fights which came to brawling...out of how many total in the CA arc?
Chimera Ant arc sucks.
>The King dying was just a way to excuse him out of the plot because he was too strong
Been saying that since Meruem bowed out (un)gracefully.
Seems like most everyone else actually bought the whole "we'll just nuke him" asspull of an ending as if it wasn't completely anticlimactic. The power of Meruem and the Royal Guards was just one of many examples of Togashi writing himself into a corner. He wrote enemies of unreasonable power within the confines of the HxH universe, thus forcing the implementation of equally unreasonable plot devices to fix the mistake. The Miniature Rose was a total implosion of whatever tension had been building during the arc, and Gon defeating Pitou with the forced aging nen contract was wholly ridiculous (of course, the whole nen contract idea was awful to begin with).
I was a little upset at first,
but this this finally responds to all the people who say "why can't you just nuke them and kill them," because you can, and they pretty much used that.
Fuck the powerlevels, Hisoka probably doesn't have the strongest nen, but he's clever and knows how to use it to the utmost complexity to kill people how he likes.
Does any one think that Crhollo might be gings brother
The only way that'd be possible is if he was abandoned at birth. And even if Gon's grandma was that heartless, there's no reason to go that far to do it.
We have been discussing this shit over 12 years could you give it a rest already? it's almost worst than the guys that use 10 year old scans to bash the art....... and that is frequent
He was clearly always going to die because of muh feelings. He could have had the power of the sun for all it fucking mattered. That wasnt even the point.
>not fighting Bisky and Razor
Simply put, they're not his type. Fighting for Hisoka is to have sex for normal people. He want the reach the ultimate high when fighting his toys.
Would you /a/?
And by would you I mean would you go on an expedition with Beyond Netero-sama to the far ends of the Dark Continent?
>I mean, obviously Hisoka is powerful, but are there any solid indications that he actually belongs in the same class as the top tier Nen users he's constantly seeking to fight?
In every fight he shows a severe lack of effort, as if he is in an RPG and playing on god mode, holding back to see what the other person does before he one-shots them
goddamnit kurapika quit making my heart melt
Surely he took 2 years off to thoroughly plan out this arc and make it the best father-son adventure of all time. Y-yeah, thats exactly what happened..c-cant wait..
He seems very confident in his abilities. He always looks relaxed and like he's having a blast while fighting. I'm not sure if it was ever hinted at or stated outright, but he strikes me as a character who likes fighting/killing in part because it helps to expand his own strategies for his abilities. He's definitely not among the strongest of the series, but he is among the smartest and that's why he could probably hold his ground against at the very least Chrollo.
>Do we have any reason to believe he's half as strong as he acts?
We've seen about the extent of his power, and he's mainly good at keeping calm and always keeping at least one trick up his sleeve while not revealing when he's ever in trouble. There's a Data Book that measures everyone's stats in a vague sense, and he's about a 25 as compared to Netero being a 30. However the stat thing included some categories that weren't strictly power related at all so that may mess with the results perhaps. He has the same total as Lucifer, but we all know Nen fights don't come down to sheer strength when it's between two people on the same level in most cases, but rather a whole host of factors.