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ITT: We sum up Q in one image
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you can (and will) get banned
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i hated it
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It gave me cancer.
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I'm never hyping anything from this franchise again.
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to the death of an amazing franchise
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campus apocalypse is the only place for x3 moe kawoshin!!
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>>100131002
Anno's just beating it to death so the fanboys finally give up and go away.
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>>100133699
>implying Earth is not an angel
>implying this is not the big reveal on 4.44

Anno does it again!
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Will Shinji finish his coffee in 4.0?
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>>100133915
>dat nose
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>>100129193
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anyone have that image of Q if the characters communicated with each other?
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>>100129193
>Q, 3.0

>>100134260
I've never seen it, but now I really want to see this image.
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>>100133851
>it's rei's head
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>>100133851
>>100134515
Idiots, the earth was a spitball that Lilith pegged at a teacher while she was in highschool.
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Anyone got that image from 2ch that's all badass and shit but says in the corner "what I expected, what I got" next to an emasculated shinji and slavic asuka.
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>>100134630
nah, maybe it's all a dream
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>>100134731
>Are you living in the real world?
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>>100134823
the sad part is, i can see anno doing this and getting away with it.
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>>100134701
It's Korean actually.
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>>100135062
At this point he could get away with anything. Even rape.
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>>100135207
What he did to the series in 3.0 was nothing short of rape.
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Sometimes I think 3.0 was made just to make 2.0 look like a better movie. Even the worst things from 2.0 (Mari for example) looks good if compared to their 3.0 counterparts.
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>>100135296
And he got away with it didn't he?
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>>100135207
>Even rape
Well he raped Rei's character just fine so there's not much he can do worse with 4.0.
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>>100135411
>not much he can do worse with 4.0
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I would've been a lot happier if the entire rebuild series was nothing but a remaster for EoE

3.0 made me puke and shit myself simultaneously
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>>100135411
>much he can do worse with 4.0.
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>>100135411
>4.0
>Rei II is back
>suddenly her chest explodes and Kaworu leaps out
>he proceeds to drag a small piano from Rei's corpse
>Ode to Joy starts playing
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>>100135411
How is what happened to her in the movie any different than what happens to her after episode 23?
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>>100134460
I love how the whole movie was Anno pissing on the otaku who can't move on from their old ideas of Eva.
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>>100135706

Where's the source for that?
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>>100135811
"I will make you happy, Shinji!"
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>>100135910
Rei Q =/= Rei III
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>>100135986
>Anno pissing on the otaku

By having the whole movie pander to Kawoshin shippers? What you think those aren't Otaku?
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>>100135811
Something is wrong with this picture but I'm not quite sure what it is.
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>>100135910
Because Rei Q is her own person but Rei 3 at least had the same soul as Re 2 (and vague feelings still lingering)

So it makes Reifags sad.
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>>100135910
Rei Q is a new character that was not established well and introduced really late
Rei 3 is a continuation of Rei 2 and exploration of the character
I'm not even a reifag and I can tell you that
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Trying to stop the destruction just to end up causing a bigger explosion
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>>100136101
Anno's otp is kawoshin and he has no problem with the female fanbase of Evangelion. It's the hikki otaku fans who want to do nothing with their lives and society, that he hates.
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>>100135910

Rei III wasn't a brain-dead retard
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>>100136107

>Hey kid wana /y/
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>>100136223

And you think fujoshits are better then your average Otaku? Please son, control your idiocy
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>>100135986
Oh yeah that's why he didn't age the waifus up and kept them nice and nubile for merchandise, right? And Asuka's cat ears, Rei's naked backside and Mari's jiggling tits are so interesting. And why there's so much fujoshi pandering.
Anno is so revolutionary!
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>>100136223

No he doesn't.

>I feel that otaku have already become common to all countries. In Europe, in Korea, in Taiwan, in Hong Kong, in America, otaku really do not change. I think that this is amazing. I say critical things towards otaku, but I don’t reject them. I only say that we should take a step back and be self-conscious about these things. I think it’s perfectly fine so long as you act with an awareness of what you are doing, self-conscious and cognizant of the current situation. I’m just not sure it’s a good thing to reach the point where you cut yourself off from society. I don’t understand the greatness of society, either. So I have no intention of going so far as to call for people to give up otaku-like things and become more suited to society. Only, I think there are many other interesting things in the world, and we don’t have to reject them.

>However, I take offense when otaku are criticized by non-otaku. Stupid idiots, I think, [criticizing] though you don’t understand anything (laughs). There are truly many people who don’t seem to really understand. I know these things without being lectured to by these people. It’s like, why now? But saying those things is still better. There are many who completely missed the mark. When people don’t even try to understand speak about otaku as though they were far above them, I think: what stupid people.
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>>100136365
In Japan? Yes, they are.
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>>100136371
What's the context behind this one?
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>>100136428
The people he's describing ridicule riajuu without understanding them. Everything is hypocrisy with this guy.
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>>100136428
Yeah he doesn't hate otaku in general, or anime or merchandise and all that fun stuff.

He only hate hikkimoris. He doesn't want otaku to become NEETS with no lives and not care about the outside work. That's his only criticism. Which is just what I said.
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>>100136223
If there are female fans wasting their lives away, he'd dislike them as well. And kawoshin pandering is in the same class as otaku pandering.
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>>100136371
what the literal fuck
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>>100135910
Rei Q is them denying Rei even having a great character in Rebuild.

All I got from Rebuild is that they hate Rei.
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>>100136294
Oh now I see it.
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>>100136437
They aren't. In what world do fujoshi hikkis not exist? You realize these are people who obesess over anime characters to the same extent as otaku, right? There are embarrassing ones in each group.
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>>100136569
If there were. But in general, the female fans IN JAPAN are sociable, nice and like to create fan events and do nice things (I've heard kawoshin fans set up a fundraiser sometime after the tsunami)

No otaku fans of Eva are doing anything more than drawing some porn doujinshi for comiket
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>>100136752
What could have been...
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>>100136739
Not saying they don't exist, but in general those are a minority in the larger group of fujoshi fans.
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>>100136752
Now this I can get onboard with.
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>>100136766
>But in general, the female fans IN JAPAN are sociable

I like the way you use random assumptions to back your argument

Also protip: A huge segment of Kawoshin fans are males
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>>100136900
>Also protip: A huge segment of Kawoshin fans are males
And how do you know that?

Kaworu fans =/= kawoshin fans
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>>100129193
Best I can do.
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>>100136851
I totally believe your baseless claims. Keep at it, I guess.
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>>100136985
>Kaworu fans =/= kawoshin fans

Hahhaha, nope. Kaworu as a character doesn't exist outside his ship. Try harder next time
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>>100136989
>>>/v/
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I sure do love homosex but 3.33 homosex was so vapid and obviously for little girls that I cringed. Not to mention, all the characters were vapid as well except for Shinji, maybe.
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>>100137029
Kaworu alone is hugely popular in Japan. Did you miss when he was the MC of like two different Pachinko games? Or all the merchandise Kaworu gets just for him (but not Shinji)?

For some reason, Kaworu is really popular in Japan. On his own and with Shinji.
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>>100137265
>MC of like two different Pachinko games
And 7 is a hugely popular number in the US because I see it all the time on slots.
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I thought it was actually really good.

Especially the latter half, it leaves a lot open that we don't understand yet, that's why people don't like it.

I see the tetralogy so far as
Rebuild 1.0 - Ep. 1-6
Rebuild 2.0 - Ep. 10-19
Rebuild 3.0 - Ep. 24-26

Rebuild 4.0 will be the big revelation that will whip us to bits.
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>>100137265
he's popular because he's a cooldude and his voice is like liquid sex.
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3.0 in a nutshell
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>>100137353
that's a stupid analogy, that actually proves his point more
7 IS a hugely popular number in the US
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>>100137029
Oh right, because all Kaworufags are obviously Kawoshin shippers who shlick to Cassino doujins or are closeted gays.

>>100137353
Kaworu appeared in only one episode and he's been the most popular male EVA character ever since.
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>>100137367

People don't like it because the characters are vapid, idiotic (can't stress this enough) former shell of themselves and we can safely assume the post credits scene of 2.0 has been silently retconed at this point.
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>>100137431
Right I'm forgetting all the 7 merch and porn. Also 6 a shit.
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>>100137374
I feel so sad because Ishida Akira gets typecasted as hell because of Kaworu, no more Uryuu-like roles ever.
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>>100136900
Oh I think this is important to point out then.

Official khara approved, GIRLS ONLY Evangelion Event, that is happening on the 18th.

http://koigaku.machicon.jp/eva/
http://koigaku.machicon.jp/eva/

Where are the male only events?
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>>100137513
>Oh right, because all Kaworufags are obviously Kawoshin shippers who shlick to Cassino doujins or are closeted gays.

Describe Kaworu as a character without mentioning his relationship with Shinji
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>>100137265
>For some reason
Bishounen. Japanese fans lap up things based on design more than character. It's like what happens with moe anime. He has no character or depth, is a gary stu AND is a from a popular franchise(and gay, which helps fujo), which is all you really need.
It's not rocket science.
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>>100137526
The scary thing is, I could see this becoming a thing a few years down the road.

We even had a harem made of spent cans, for god's sake.
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>>100137513
>the most popular male EVA character ever since
That's about as hard as beating Australians at ice hockey while they're sober.
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>>100137589
Proprietor of the angels.
Under possession of SEELE, labeled as their 'trump card'.
Seemingly polite and quiet.
Implied to be suicidal.
Hobbies include: Playing piano, listening to classical music, observing humans

For having only 17 minutes, that's pretty good.
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>>100137598
> Japanese fans

All fans do.
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>>100137815
He's also the vessel of Adam. That's probably pretty important.
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>>100136437
No, not really. They're happy when pandered to.
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>>100137425
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>>100136548
>He only hate hikkimoris.

Criticizing is different from hatred.
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>>100137815
So you mashed up several different canons and added some fanwank for 6 phrases. Damn.
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>>100137945
It's not like it's been posted in every thread that has mentioned Kaworu or anything.
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>>100137815
>Proprietor of the angels.

Adam not Kaworu

>Under possession of SEELE, labeled as their 'trump card'.

Not part of his character

>Implied to be suicidal.

Fanwank

>Playing piano

Only to get into Shinji's pants, discarded

Ok so Kaworu is quite, polite and likes to listen to classical music

Wow, such a great character
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>>100138000
yeah it's because I said that.
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>>100137981
Nope. All strictly from NGE, I didn't even include Rebuild despite him being proven the same character.
>fanwank
How? Try to debunk anything I said.
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>>100137899
You realize we are talking about his popularity in japan, right.
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>>100138009
The fact he is a great character or not is irrelevant. Hasn't stop Japan from loving him since 1995.
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>>100138081
>likes to play piano
>NGE
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>>100136766
That is what happens when you get what you want.

You're happy, satisfied, and you want to give back somehow. It's not like Reifags don't do nice shit from time to time, considering how little pandering they get it's a surprise they bother with making donations in the name of Rei Ayanami.

There is no reason for Kawoshin or Kaworu fans to be anything but happy and content, and it reflects on their mood, and how much content they produce.
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>>100129193
I think you've got the wrong one
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>>100137927
Name one fanbase that doesn't get happy when pandered to.
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>>100138125
Alright, replace that with violin then if the drafts aren't enough for you.
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>>100138162
Hipsters.
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>>100138009
>Wow, such a great character
To be honest, most of characters in anime have almost the same amount of layers as him, but yeah for eva standards, that's pretty bad.
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>>100138135
The Kawoshin fanbase set up a fundraiser for the tsunami, selling doujinshi and then donating the money. This was before 3.0 came out.
What the fuck have Reifags or Asukafags done besides bitch and moan while wolfing down hotpockets?
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>>100138180
>violin
>NGE

And if you bring the recital of Death and Rebirth I won't have enough donkeys for your retardation
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>>100138216
They're not fans.
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>>100138081
He never played piano in NGE or any instrument. All he did was say music is nice.
There is no implication of him being suicidal outside your mind.

Being in possession on Seele is not part of his character and it's quite sad you had to resort to that to describe him.

He only interacts with one human to any extent so I don't know how you got get the implication he enjoys observing them or did so.
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>>100137815
>For having only 17 minutes, that's pretty good.
Not really, since a lot of it is exposition taken from other places. More than just those 17 minutes, and all you do have is fanwank.

Kaworu's sole strength is his role as Shinji's soulmate. Which is the most emphasized part of the character, which has undergone some serious transformations in the past decade into a more extreme Gary Stu.

This isn't a criticism, it's just recounting the facts - what Kaworu provides in the time he's there is good. But overall, the reason he is well-liked is because he is the "safest" option when it comes to liking something in Evangelion - you're almost guaranteed a good experience out of a franchise that's frequently disappointing, often intentionally so.
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>>100138316
They tend to flock around the same anime, music, movies etc. It's possible to label certain anime as hipster anime. They're pretty much fans.
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>>100138280
Perhaps, just maybe not everyone unites under their love of a fictional character or shipping to do something positive? I know I haven't. Does not doing so invalidate their lives or something?
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>>100138280
>they bitch and moan
Precisely - there's nothing to be happy about. Satisfaction leads to generosity, but instead you get bitching and moaning.
Give me one reason a Reifag should be satisfied after 3.0.

The Kawoshin fanbase are in a very comfortable spot, since they care about a relatively small part about what Evangelion is, which they always get served on a silver platter.

I can't really say this matters, what the fanbase does or doesn't do matters little really.
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>>100138329
The piano/violin and suicide stuff comes from the original two drafts of episode 24.

Which I don't think are really fair cause well, they're drafts. But I guess it's better than having nothing to Kaworu.
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>>100138280
Not contributed to global warming by being flaming homosexuals?
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>>100138009
>Adam not Kaworu
Kaworu is literally Adam's soul trapped within a human body. Kaworu is Adam, or if you want to be specific, Adam's soul
>Fanwank
Then rather, he doesn't value his life very much considering he handed it over to a boy he only knew for a day.
>Only to get into Shinji's pants, discarded
Are you retarded?
Kaworu being sexually attracted to Shinji, or even knowing what sexuality is IS the fanwank here.
We know how Shinji feels about Kaworu, but we don't know how Kaworu feels about Shinji.
>Wow, such a great character
Stop comparing him to the main characters. He had 15 minutes. He's a minor character, and he played his role accordingly given that screentime. Expected him to be as developed as Misato or Shinji is fucking stupid on your part. As a minor character, he's fantastic or at least proven very memorable considering you're talking about him right now.
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>>100136570
Nerv Church
Pt.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41VNaWEa_ZY
Pt.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGB0XaDYXCI
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>>100138609
15 minutes isn't really an excuse. He's bad, then he is bad.
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>>100138609
>Expected him to be as developed as Misato or Shinji

How about Ritsuko then, because she is a few miles ahead of Kaworu as far as development goes.

Hell I think Hyuga has more development then Kaworu
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>>100138216
They only pretend to not be happy when pandered to, thinking themselves higher than the rest of the fanbase. It's what makes them hipsters after all.
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>>100138557
Well the original series was never very nice to Rei or Asuka or any of the cast. I don't know how anyone can really expect much "good times" for them. Their fans should know more than well enough what they're into and should know what to expect.
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>>100138609
>or at least proven very memorable considering you're talking about him right now.

I am talking about him because they shifted to focus of Rebuild onto him and it all became total garbage the moment they did it.
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>>100138638
It begins
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>>100138609
The only reason we are talking about his poor character is because a silly fujoshi came in and started talking about how wonderful fujoshi are and that kawoshin pandering is different from otaku pandering. It was probably you. Criticizing a character =/= finding them fantastic.
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>>100138609
All of it amounts to a rather shallow character which people stick to for one reason only; that he fills the role of same-sex love interest for Shinji. Homosexual pairings are extremely popular no matter what franchise, and "fujoshi buying power" is not to be underestimated, some put it on par with or greater than regular stuff these days.

It's nothing new, but rather than a solid, deep character, it's the "moe" portion of it that's great. Was it the character, people would be fawning exclusively over the rest.

I don't meant to say Kaworu is not a contributing factor to Evangelion being great, his arrival is nothing short of amazing and I think everyone enjoyed "his" episode.

Comparing him to the main characters isn't wrong, it reveals his flaws and that maddens you.
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>>100138655
Well, Japan certainly doesn't think so.
If Kaworu was a bad character, he wouldn't have been voted the second most popular male character of the 1990s.
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>>100138927
>Japan has shit taste
You don't say.
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>>100138927
>Shinji Ikari
>Kaworu Nagisa

Oh man...
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>>100138927

Those idiots keep voting Jesus Yamato into the top of the charts even today
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>>100139046
Jesus Yamato and Lelouch will be at the top of a 2000s chart i'm sure.
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>>100138720
But you would expect it for Kaworu, right? Which only goes to demonstrate the point:

Happiness = more will to share happiness and more uniform direction in how they love.
I'd say the only coherent fanbase in the EVA fanbase at the moment are the Kaworu fans, compared to the bitter conflicted rest who witness what can only be said to be a mockery of what they are a fan of - the rest of Evangelion.

If I was a Kawoshin fan, I'd be overjoyed and would want to give back - were I a Rei fan, do you think I would want to make tons of dojins and art about Rei Q?
Especially Rei Q serves like an eviction notice to Reifags: "Get out. This is what we think of Rei. We will never try to put anything resembling the quality of the original into any new version of Rei, nor will we pander."

...and that's why you're seeing less Reifags, less Evafags that aren't Kaworu fans or Kawoshin fans, and so on. The source material changes, the fanbase changes.

Can you really say that anything you're observing is unnatural?
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>>100138927
He IS a bad character. Being popular does not change how shallow he is. And it's not like there's much competition for popular male in Eva, which was a huge hit in the 90's. Do you expect to see Gendo or Kaji there?
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>>100138927
Shinji > Kaworu

It's popularity vs character quality.

Right now, Shinji is an accessory to Kaworu and Kawoshin more than anything else to fans.
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The only point is, Kaworu is really popular regardless if he is a well-written or well done character.

Thank you Japan.
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>>100138696
Once again, Kaworu had only one episode.
For the screentime he was given, he did his job.
He became a more memorable and popular character than fucking Misato, who had the most screentime after Shinji.
Expecting a minor character to have more depth than a major character is stupid on your part.
>>100138795
Only because of his popularity.
If he was such a 'bad character' as you claim, he would've never shown up in Rebuild to begin with.
>>100138870
Wasn't me. Although I agree that Anno pandering to the fujoshi instead of the otaku is to be expected. Considering otaku contribute nothing to society whereas fujoshi do.
>>100138876
>it reveals his flaws and that maddens you
I actually like Kaworu for both his strengths and flaws, unlike you waifufags out there. I think his flaws are the best part about him.
Again, I said expecting Kaworu to have more depth than a main character is wrong and you're stupid for even thinking so.
He does his job as a minor character, and that's the end of it.
Rebuild is just a giant shitfest that I stopped taking seriously since 1.0
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>>100139290
Only excuses anon. He is what he is - a shallow character with a huge power level - we call that a gary stu.

Gary stu's are popular.
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>>100139331
Welp, you might as well call every other angel that appeared in the series gray stus as well!
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>>100139290
>He became a more memorable and popular character than fucking Misato
You mean for fujoshi? It's such a shame pretty much all advertisements ignore her. Kaworu is nothing compared to her character though.

When people mention his "flaws" they mean his weak writing as a character. He's a gary stu.
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>>100139290
>I actually like Kaworu for both his strengths and flaws, unlike you waifufags out there. I think his flaws are the best part about him.
You misunderstand, his flaws isn't that of character, but that of quality and lack of depth. He isn't portrayed to have any flaws, you have to fanwank them. In effect, it means he has none.

Waifufags this and that, you're a waifufag more than me since you're bothering with this defense. Even if you stopped taking Rebuild seriously, it's the main source of content for Kaworufags in the present time, and I'm sure you aren't serious.

This is a pointless discussion anyway. You'll keep excusing Kaworu for being shallow by citing little screentime, but don't you see that the screentime doesn't count as an excuse? It's a contributing factor to his shallowness!

Like most other EVA characters they could have done more. But like you and I know, they aren't doing that.
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>>100138557
You say that Kaworufags only produce the amount of material they do because of the way Khara is treating them, despite the fact that Kaworu fanart and material had always been numerous ever since NGE, long before 3.33 or the Rebuilds.

>>100139115
Let me ask you this. Explain why a Reifag, or any waifufag for that matter, should feel obligated to see their waifu get treated the way they envision in their shipping fantasies when it should be obvious by now that this is not what the franchise is about.
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>>100139469
You may not, none of them match Kaworu's power level.
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>>100139290
>you waifufags wah wah wah ;_;
You realize you're the biggest waifufag here with your ridiculous defense of him, right? The flaws aren't character flaws, but that he's vapid as a character. How dense are you?
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>>100139469
Come on kaworufags. This is shit-tier argumentations. Even among the Angels, which aren't out to fuck Shinji or even has human form, they're weaker than Kaworu.

Especially when you take into account the idea about Kaworu being a timelooper or multiverse hopper in various other spinoffs. None of the Angels can match that. Kaworu's powerlevel is at present, the greatest in all of Evangelion.

I'm not hesitating to say it, but if there was a team that was "winning" everything on paper, it's Team Kaworu. De facto OTP with MC, biggest power level, best positive portrayal, and most satisfactory appearance.

Kaworu is simple, effective, and flawless in delivering what fans expect from the character. You can argue that thinking a character is "good" or "great" because of this is shallow, but that's how many people judge what they get.
In the perspective of time, Kaworu only grows while the rest diminishes - there's a sense of gaining something for Kaworu fans, and there's a sense of losing something for the others generally.
Kaworufags are at the height of their time, and it's only looking up.
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The ONE fucking theatre within 1000 or more miles that was going to show it RIGHT FUCKING DOWN THE BLOCK from me and they cancelled the showing. This is fucking bullshit. Don't care how bad it was, I wanted to see that glorious animation on the bigscreen but NOOO WE'RE TOO BIG OF JEWFIENDS.

Did watch the shitty sub though, so here is your damn reaction image.
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>>100139533
They came close. Like he did.
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>>100139513
>You say that Kaworufags only produce the amount of material they do because of the way Khara is treating them, despite the fact that Kaworu fanart and material had always been numerous ever since NGE, long before 3.33 or the Rebuilds.
Even before that, Gainax and Khara treated them well.
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>>100139533
Were you expecting Adam's soul to be weak and entirely flawed?
Kaworu being 'perfect' is within his character, He's represents the perfection of the angels.
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>>100139777
>Kaworu
>perfect
>not a total idiot

Ok I guess
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>>100139290
>popularity = quality

Oh you are just a run of the mill retard
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>>100139777
If the angels were so perfect why did they lose to imperfect clones of Adam and Lilith?
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>>100139756
Gainax wouldn't have promoted Kaworu if there hadn't been popular support behind his character to begin with. I agree that official backing helps, but Kaworu's fanbase and fanart would have kept growing regardless.
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>>100139513
>Let me ask you this. Explain why a Reifag, or any waifufag for that matter, should feel obligated to see their waifu get treated the way they envision in their shipping fantasies when it should be obvious by now that this is not what the franchise is about.
The same reason kaworufags would it'd make them happy and fulfilled. Like you (I think) pointed out in this thread, Rei never had that kind of attention before, but before that was even an issue, she was a fulfilled character much like rest of the cast.
There wasn't necessary to make for any grand romantic finale for Rei - only that it lives up to the expectations of the historically most popular Evangelion character throughout the decades.

Secondly, if I may provide an analysis, something is amiss with the new content. You may not have noticed, but Rei has increasingly been put down the shippy route; which means that a lot of the expectations generated from the character will end in shipping.

As of today, neither any significant drama between Rei and others involving romance has been delivered, only the small beginnings. Nor has any better development, introspection or even actions been taken by Rei that lives up to the original. Megumi Hayashibara has far more lines in the God Warrior short than "Rei" has in the entirety of 3.0, where she'd usually have a diarrhea of internal monologues, not to mention good lines, since original Rei's are extremely quotable and iconic.

In no way ever but being "present" and hardly even that, does Rei currently deliver. It's so bad that people even suspect or are fully convinced the lack of quality is intentional, for reason x or y. Depends on the person.

Fans have to admit to the fact that Rei doesn't live up to expectations because there's noone at Khara or Gainax with the interest in having her do so. There's nothing new, and what there is of change, is pure substraction from the original.
My veridict, is that Reifags cant' be anything but bitter.
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>>100139928
Akira Ishida could've carried it for a bit, but other official backing is the main thing because there is like 15 minutes of him in the first place. There's a reason the pairing fans pay attention to all the material they can get.
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>>100139290
>Considering otaku contribute nothing to society whereas fujoshi do.

Name one fujoshit director, fuck name one female anime director that produced something of value

I am waiting
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>This thread
>Not a single argument between Blue and Red
>Full of Kaworu discussion

All according to the master's plan.
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>>100139928
That depends really. You'll notice that they always take extra care with Kaworu. People love being pandered to.
Fact is that a lot of people like Kaworu, personally I'd say he is the most popular EVA character at the moment, but you have to accept that it's not because of a character with weight and depth behind it that doesn't serve the greater purpose of Kawoshin.

So what if they didn't take care? What if there was a rendition of Kaworu that was outright bad in the eyes of Kaworu fans? Do you think it's likely a lot of fan-art would spring from that?

Looking at our most recent example of Q, it's clear what people like about it. You'll see that reflected in not just the opinions of fans, but in the amount of content that is produced.
For some characters/object, there is more "old NGE fanart" being produced per day than of the big new hit sensation featuring the same character or object. To me, that is a clear sign that the new version isn't well received.
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>>100140226
>t a
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>>100140181
First you'd have to actually have woman anime directors to begin with.

Only ones of note are Yamada Naoko (K-ON) Utsumi Hiroko (Free!) Chiaki Kon (Higurashi) and Yamamoto Sayo (Woman Named Fujiko)

Can you think of any other woman directors? 95% of anime is directed by men.
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>>100140396

So then the whole "Fujoshi contribute more to society" is just bullshit. Yeah I though so
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>>100140396
Only the latter isn't trash. Not him by the way, I don't care about male/female quibbles.

I just wish Khara would stop being such assholes and treat their greatest work with the respect it deserves.
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>>100140226
If there's one thing Red and Blue agree on it's that Greys a shit.
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>>100140502
>>100140396
It depends on what you guys mean with that. I know Kawoshin fans donated their earnings to a good cause, but little is known of the rest. Since they are old by now, they've grown up and are living their own lives. Perhaps they don't organize things because there's no reason for them to organize, gathering or rallying around a concept (waifu) that doesn't even meet their own expectations is difficult.

It's also worth noting that anime directors need not be the end-all be-all contributors to society....
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>>100140502
More like, Japanese sexist society doesn't allow for woman to easily get high profile jobs such as directors.

We're not talking about that. And you're totally twisting the statement that: generally fujoshi fans can be sociable and act like normal people in society vs a lot of otaku who stay locked up in their rooms are are socially inept. That's all that "more to society" thing means.
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>>100140709
>It's also worth noting that anime directors need not be the end-all be-all contributors to society....

No but they are the one front where you will have confirmed fujoshits and otaku working

So it's the best place to analyse just how much fujoshits/otaku can contribute to society.
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>>100140628
>blue hair
>in that particular hairstyle

Stick to being a redhead, Asuka.
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Anyone else remember how hard some Rei folks took the initial impact of 3.0?
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>>100140739
>>100140799
Well I think we're getting into just sex-differences. Kind of pointless.

It's a discussion where Kaworufag A can parade around the successes to the detriment of everyone else - it's a holier-than-thou attitude that's not very helping. For someone here to take pride in what a group of people accomplished across the globe isn't very tasteful.
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>>100129193
I liked it
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>>100140628
Yeah, too bad their waifus don't agree.
We all know that Rei and Asuka would hop on Kaworu's dick in an instant.
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>>100140739
I'd still like to hear if you find it unnatural that you don't see Reifags joyously celebrating the arrival of Rei Q with festivals. To me, all of the reactions are easily explainable.
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>>100141118
Rei hates Kaworu in NGE.
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>>100141118
I see you trying to stir up trouble.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z24lzvjCv5o
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>>100141209
You mean Rei 3? She was more curious about how they were alike than anything. Nothing ever suggests she hated him.
He never met Rei 2, but Rei 1 was thinking about him before she died.
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>>100141118

Rei doesn't like him

Asuka and Kaworu interaction would be pretty fun. To bad we are never getting it
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>>100141209
She doesn't hate him. He confuses her, so it makes her distasteful of their first meeting.
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>>100141325
Then why did she see him before he died?
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>>100141325
Everyone hates Karl in the manga.
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>>100141316
Rei 1 x Kaworu is OTP
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>>100141316
>He never met Rei 2, but Rei 1 was thinking about him before she died.
You know that is such a vague appearance to really say anything about, and it wasn't there in NGE, but in D&R rather.

In the manga, Rei 2 isn't that fond of Kaworu either. Don't take it personally, Rei isn't fond of a lot of people. Rei is from what I can gather naturally distrustful and distant of others.

>>100141375
It's one of those things it's impossible to say anything about. I have no idea why it was added, since it doesn't really add anything at all but a big question mark - I think there's a lot to D&R especially that doesn't make sense.
In NGE, many things were retconned and changed over time.
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>>100141423
Rightfully so.
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Don't you guys ever get tired of this same "discussion" everyday? I've seen this thread around 3 times only this week.
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>>100141375
>>100141316
>>100141118
Yeah Kaworufags, this is what's so annoying! You give weight to tiny details that may involve Kaworu and make up elaborate fanwank surrounding it, whilst ignoring the remaining 99.99999% percent of the anime.
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>>100141510
Y-You're just jealous of my kitten-killing skills!
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>>100141510

Karl was 10 times the character that Kaworu will ever be
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>>100141491
All I can come up with is... Rei 1's soul might have been closer to having Lilith's memories? Being she was the first and still young, so her soul might have resonated with Kaworu/Adam more easily.

That's my fanwank for it anyway. I think it was just Anno adding more to his Kaworu is Adam retcon.
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>>100141524
Apparently not.
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>>100141555
It isn't my fault Kaworu is the best character in Evangelion.
He tore Asuka's body apart and got to become one with Rei without even giving a fuck.
Truly the most badass character in the series.
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>>100141670
>That's my fanwank for it anyway. I think it was just Anno adding more to his Kaworu is Adam retcon.
I suspect the latter. It's sad because he keeps on doing that all the time, continually retconning Kaworu to be all-mighty to suit himself.
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>>100141524
>I've seen this thread around 3 times only this week.

More like 3 times a day, on a slow day
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>>100141734
>>100141601
>>100141555
Alright, everyone go home. Fucking autist Kaworufag is here.
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>>100136212
What's the context of this gif? I keep seeing it posted everywhere.
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>>100141649
Karl was absolute trash though.
I could barely finish the manga when he came around due to how annoying he was.
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>>100136212
>>100141894
Looks like Nausicaa.

Google tells me it's from this:
http://myanimelist.net/anime/16910/Namiuchigiwa_no_Muromi-san

it's a moe anime that looks better than 3.0?
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>>100141825
You can tell Anno must have had a lot of wishes for Kaworu's character but never had the chance until after the fact (and when he saw Kaworu actually got popular after episode 24)

It just leaves open too much inconsistently and plot holes though to the Lilith/Adam "plot". But Eva's plot was always a mess so, oh well.
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>>100142030
It's not a mess, it's there on-paper and you can deduce what you need to know.
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>>100142030
As of NGE, the implications and connections are there to make a whole. Kaworu is later reinforced as Lilith, whereas Rei was originally Adam... it worked out very well the way they did it. So Kaworu became Adam and the 17th, whilst Rei became Lilith full-time as mankinds progenitor.
Both very interesting concepts, only Rei loses position and importance but it's something that doesn't matter one tiny bit to the character itself.

Nowadays, you could question if Rei is even Rei any more.
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>>100142309
And nothing of importance was lost.
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>>100142700
To you maybe.
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>>100138609

Why are you arguing with butthurt otaku. They are still mad Rei had the whole show and Shinji couldn't give a damn about her.
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>>100141670

Rei = Lilith retcon had to happen. Seeing how Anno admitted he had no fucking clue about Lilith and lilin during NGE. He hastily had that bullshit come out nowhere and couldn't elaborate to his own staff what was about it.

Good old Anno.
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>>100135370
>>100135529
What is it with him always with the neck towel?
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>>100143491

Anno was high on depression meds during the last episodes. He was like that mad artist who threw a bucket of paint on canvas and madly mixed it all to form an surprise masterpiece.
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>>100143566
Those are both from the same video.
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>>100143263
Kaworufag, pls
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>>100136371
>Indians
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>>100141885
You know what? I don't care.
I don't care if loving Kaworu makes me an autist.
At least I'm not as butthurt and paranoid as you are to succumb to bashing other people and their favorite characters.
Anno probably caters to Kaworufags because they have enough class to like everyone in Evangelion, mind their own fucking business and don't take part in these stupid Red vs Blue wars you guys do.
I like Kaworu, and there's nothing you can say to stop me. So continue wallowing in your own hatred.
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>>100136225
She probably became that way after 14 years of Gendo brainwash without any external interference.
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OP again.

Does anyone have that MS Paint image of what each character in 3.0 could have done to avoid most of the events of 3.0? I've seen it here before but can't seem to find it.
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>>100145443
Well I for one am glad you realize you're a psycho fantard. Also I'm sure Anno pays attention to 4chan discussion and totally values your lunacy and hypocrisy.



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