Why didn't they just make clones of accelerator to fight accelerator? Surely that would of been easier and more economical than creating over twenty thousand clones of misaka. I dont understand.
Because the goal was to create clones of Misaka to begin with. They wanted an army to sell and to control, not a level 6 accel. That was just an excuse.
Then why didn't they get an army of him if hes stronger?
No, they wanted an army to spread around the world to create a gigantic AIM field so that they could deploy Kazakiri anywhere should AC go to war.
>They wanted an army to sell and to control, not a level 6 accel
But Accel would've killed all the goods if Touma hadn't stopped him so the level 6 project couldn't have been just an excuse. I thought the clones turned out too weak and seeing as they already had them they just decided to use them.
If making an army was their main goal then how did beating Accel free the clones anyway, they can still be used as an army. Now they're just used to make that angel thing.
Aleister was planning to stop the plan before he killed all of them so that he had enough to spread around.
It would be too difficult to control 2 accels, let alone an army.
They would spread them by selling them to nations.
Everything up to volume 14 was according to Aleister's plan. Everything, even Touma interfering.
“Hey, Accelerator. Did you know the real reason behind her?”
Accelerator could only image he was referring to that small girl.
“Even back at the stage of…what was it again? Oh, right. The Radio Noise development project that came before the Level 6 Shift project. It seemed suspicious from the moment they gave the go sign for those mass produced military models. After all, they should have just made clones of you, the #1, rather than Railgun, the #3.”
“So why didn’t they clone you? Why did they start with that #3? There has to be something there. Something you don’t know about.”
“Hah,” laughed Accelerator. He then muttered, “You piece of shit.”
AC doesn't want a lot of powerful esper because those would be pretty hard to control. They are more interested in quantity than quality. A lot of esper in AC could be far more powerful than they currently are if people just gave a damn.
what is wrong with that fucker's head?
Is it really considered planning when you just "plan" for literally anything to happen and go with it as it happens?
That's why we use keikaku when talking about Aleister's silly plan.
Jesus christ, this arc gets questioned all the time.
Alright, here we go again.
Crowley never wanted to Level 6 Shift Accelerator or make an army or any shit like that.
He wanted to spread AIM around the world to make an Artificial Heaven. He needed Radio Noise to do that, because they can connect together and spread AIM that way. Accelerator clones couldn't do that.
The Level 6 Shift was an elaborate cover so that no one would question why Crowley was spreading the clones all over the world. You can't actually level up by killing a bunch of people because that's retarded, it doesn't work that way.
what volume is that?
Imagine killing yourself 10k times
12, when Kihara Amata beats up Accelerator the first time.
The preparations were already complete.
The working power users Sisters that Kamijou had saved, totaling about 10,000 people, were now scattered all over the world to all the agencies that were co-operating with Academy City. Why must they be patched up ‘outside’? This puzzled Tsuchimikado, and now here was the answer.
That ridiculous experiment that Accelerator underwent wasn’t really some Level 6 evolution, but to scatter the cloned power users all over the world. In order to allow these Sisters to be deported ‘outside’, they came up with the destruction plan of power users, and then abolished this Level 6 project. Using these 2 fake actions, they deported the Sisters all over the world.
This tactic should be considered a success, as right now, all the churches and forces, including the Anglican Church, had not detected the real reason why the Sisters had been deported ‘outside’. No, even if they did, they won’t understand the seriousness of it. At most they would think that Academy City was trying to clean up the mess of its internal problems.
These power users were like an antenna of the Imaginary Number District, covering the entire world.
After that, as long as they could get hold of this incomplete Imaginary Number District and let the new ‘world’ activate.
All the magicians would lose control of their powers and self-destruct due to the new ‘world’.
But to power users, the AIM diffusion field wasn’t harmful at all.
If so, the results of the war between the magic side and the science side would be very obvious. No, that couldn’t be considered a war. It was like blasting out the brains of an enemy who had surrendered.
was that in the anime?
I didn't read the first 14 volumes
Why did Accelerator call Kihara "Kihara-kun"?
Was it love?
It's also in S2 of Index.
Don't think so. Staff butchered the the anime, Deep Blood, Angel Fall, the Kazakiri Arc, and the Invasion Arc all have a ton of important shit that Staff cut out.
Amata was the one who taught him how to use his powers. They're relatively close.
and then in the railgun manga the sisters are being used to make mikoto a level 6
but that shit is caused by kihara gensei
the clones are very useful it seems
>and then in the railgun manga the sisters are being used to make mikoto a level 6
Haha no, that's just Gensei thinking he knows what he's doing.
Why does everyone downplay Gensei? You're all acting like he's some kind of incompetent.
Gensei probably has no clue what the hell he's talking about. This happens before 14 so that means it's accounted for by Crowley, and he doesn't want Level 6, he wants what's beyond Level 6. Plus Amata had no clue what Accelerator's black wings were.
Half the time someone gives alot of exposition in Raildex they're either lying or wrong. Unreliable narrators are common.
>"This Kihara who's basically at the top of all Kihara is an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing. Even though in the context of this series, Kiharas are pretty much top-tier amongst all of Academy City's scientists. But hell, let's pretend he's an idiot because we don't really like the implications of what he's doing."
Gensei seems to think throwing a punch of power into Mikoto will make her a level 6. It's repeatedly been shown it doesn't work that way. Both Kakine and Accelerator had to make strong personal revelations to awaken, and Accelerator had to make another one to gain White Wings.
It's not like Kamachi doesn't do this all the time. It turns out Mr. Exposition Ollerus was totally wrong as well about everything, as was Fiamma about becoming The One Above God. The more people act like they know what they're doing in this series the less likely they actually do.
Neither Kakine or Accelerator, even in their winged states, are Level 6.
What Gensei's doing isn't giving Mikoto a "power boost". He's drastically increasing her calculation ability. A Level 6 is an Esper who is capable of doing God's calculations. He wants to see if Mikoto can achieve this state by connecting her to ten thousand clones.
Besides, even Gensei's not sure if this plan will succeed. All he's doing is using what he knows about how Espers and the Misaka Network works and making an educated hypothesis.
>Haha no, that's just Gensei thinking he knows what he's doing.
Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't matter, the experiment is doomed to fail due to canon.
Are you assuming wings = level 6? Or are you just going with what Aleister said about the wings being related with obtaining level 6?
Right now in Railgun Aleister is floating upside down in his tank and laughing his ass off while watching Gensei being so cutely wrong.
All those super-tier powers and beings of science side are actually related to magic with Aleister's new set of laws. Even Kiharas don't know about that.
You don't need to know about how Aleister's laws work in order to know how Espers work. Kihara's an authority on Espers. There's no one who understands Personal Realities the way he does, with the exception of Aleister. If there's anyone other than Aleister who can figure this shit out, it's probably him.
An Accelerator's network would have been impossible right ?
Fresh NT9 fanart.
Shit, I only asked the question because I just decided to finish watching the show and I was wondering why they wasted all the biribiris, I feel like getting an answer just spoiled most of the series. Im not smart /a/.
No. His AIM's not wide enough. It's dense, but it only extends a few millimeters from his skin.
Also, an Accelerator Network wouldn't really works.
Not only does Mikoto's AIM have a ridiculously huge range, but she's also an Electromaster. Electromasters with similar brainwaves can connect with one another and form a network. The Misaka Network is the most important part of the Radio Noise project. Even Accelerator wouldn't have been able to provide such good results.
Nah, that's just a tiny part of the Keikaku.
Probably. The Sisters have a huge range in comparison to Accelerator. Kakine could have also made a network, but his would have just been him instead of many individual units.
Come on pixiv, stop lagging and get good art out.
>Most of the series
Nah, not really. Most of this is just supplementary information at the moment.
Crowley has the advantage of knowing about magic and Aiwass, neither of which Gensei knows about.
Plus it's all moot because as was said above, this happens before volume 14 and everything before that went perfectly for Crowley. Crowley doesn't want Level 6, so he wouldn't allow this if it had a chance of actually working.
Kihara is like someone who can perfectly solve certain types of math problems by basing on examples, but doesn't really understand theory behind this. Give him a completely new problem and he will be helpless.
Aiwass, the real reason of spreading AIM field, Accel's Angel mode, artificial Angel are beyond Kiharas' understanding.
If they already know about Aleister's plan why don't they just kill all the remaining Misakas?
>Kihara is like someone who can perfectly solve certain types of math problems by basing on examples, but doesn't really understand theory behind this. Give him a completely new problem and he will be helpless.
You seem to know a lot about Gensei despite the relatively little screentime he's had.
Who? The magic side? Touma?
What I don't understand is that Accelerator is literally brain dead now, and I'm uncertain how he has a personality at all since the Mikasa network is literally doing everything.
>You will never have a waifu who's body is violated and exploited a thousand times over via her 20,000+ clones
>Why didn't they just make clones of accelerator to fight accelerator?
that wasn't the main goal
Wasn't AIWASS just some random alien fucking around, how could it serve any purpose to Crowley's master plan if it can't be controlled?
Tsuchi is the only one that seems to have alot of it figured out, and even he isn't sure if Crowley is just letting him know about it and if it's actually the final plan or just a stepping stone. And he just wants to keep his imouto safe, he doesn't give much of a shit about anything else.
Ollerus also seems to know somewhat, and he went into AC and kicked Gunha's ass as a warning for Crowley to stop fucking around.
>Not only does Mikoto's AIM have a ridiculously huge range, but she's also an Electromaster. Electromasters with similar brainwaves can connect with one another and form a network. The Misaka Network is the most important part of the Radio Noise project. Even Accelerator wouldn't have been able to provide such good results.
Question. Why Mikoto is not a part of MISAKA Network? She can't join it, or just didn't want/try?
>You seem to know a lot about Gensei despite the relatively little screentime he's had.
Gensei cannot into magic. Especially into Aleister's tricky one. So he is not aware of the real reason behind this whole esper and AC shit.
He only did that to make sure Aleister doesn't abuse the Gemstones Academy City is gathering.
I doubt he has even a sliver of an idea of what Aleister's planning.
Probably the magic side since they seem to be the ones who would probably be more affected by it.
Some of the top guns would probably do the job very easily.
Aiwass is the one who taught Crowley everything (the plot of this series is basically based off of RL Thelema).
He has a personality even without the network's support, he's just unable to actually do anything. He's not completely brain dead without it.
>Aleister's keikaku this, Aleister's keikaku that
NT9 makes it seem like a joke.
Aiwass is kind of Crowley's sensei.
She just didn't want to try more than likely. Why would she?
Apparently Othinus took her power back just to stop Crowley's plan.
What's the point of Tsuchi knowing about it if he doesn't plans to do anything about it, if he knows the trans is up to some shit he should at least consider doing something.
>implying it's not a part of keikaku
>implying he didn't predict even Nagai Space
Unless it was part of his keikaku. Surely he would have got Aiwass to at least appear if he actually wanted to stop the whole othinus thing.
She probably can if she really tries, plot hasn't really asked for her to try harder though.
Why? It's made clear that Tsuchi has no loyalty to either the magic side or the science side, he doesn't care who wins. He's just trying to maintain his position as long as he can to keep his sister safe. Plus Crowley made clear that Espers wouldn't be harmed by his plan at all, so Maika will be fine.
Of course after NT 7 he might start doing something about it.
>Gensei cannot into magic. Especially into Aleister's tricky one. So he is not aware of the real reason behind this whole esper and AC shit.
...Yeah, uh, you do realize that Personal Realities aren't magic, right? Gensei doesn't NEED to know how magic words in order to understand Personal Realities. Otherwise, what the hell's even the point of him? Hell, what's the point of ANY of the scientists? They're not just blindly following whatever Aleister's plan is. There ARE, in fact, scientists in Academy City who understand how Espers and Personalities work. And Gensei is an authority in that field.
>Implying Crowley can control Aiwass
Aiwass doesn't care about fighting or power at all. She made clear she wouldn't resist if someone tried to kill her or steal her power.
Mikoto's not a part of the Misaka Network because A) she was never hooked up to a Testament Machine, which is a necessary step to hooking up to it, and B) because there are safeguards in the Network to prevent that from happening. Gensei had to hack into the Network and break that safeguard in order to connect Mikoto to it.
That's why you watch the stuff before making questions
I imagine the end of the world is incredibly boring.
Because this is poorly written garbage.
>Not blindly following Crowley's plan
Man, the Kiharas are all part of Keikaku. Hell, part of the reason Crowley built AC was to get all the Kiharas to gather there, since he knew they couldn't resist his SCIENCE. They're completely his bitch, even if they don't know it.
All the scientists are convincing themselves of convoluted and nonsensical answers that go in circles for unexplainable shit, in the end everything has to do with magic.
He altered Aiwass enough to not let it die in vain, so he might've a wee bit of control over it
There is a chance Aleister would be able to beat Othinus by himself, using his bullshit "my laws are better than yours" powers, if he needed to. We still don't know what he really is capable of.
Uh huh, and Touma falling into the Arctic Ocean was all part of Aleister's plan too, right?
Or Hamazura beating a Level 5.
If a pair of teenagers can accomplish that, what the hell makes you think Gensei can't just do what he wants?
You guys are seriously convinced that the Kiharas are a bunch of incompetent nobodies, aren't you?
Doubtful. Something was capable of injuring Crowley bad enough that HC had to build the Dark Legacy and he still hasn't healed 50 years later. Othinus is explicitly completely above anything the world can throw at her.
>You guys are seriously convinced that the Kiharas are a bunch of incompetent nobodies, aren't you?
Do we have any evidence that they aren't?
I was under the impression it was only a way to make him live forever in a fabulous state?
The Blasting Rod is explicitly something that exists beyond the laws of the world, though. If anything's capable of beating Othinus, it's something that's not of this world in the first place.
Touma has always pretty much done whatever he wants and Aleister has adjusted his plans accordingly
Hamazura being super Hamazura-y is something that can't be helped but it's not like his actions did a lot. Mugino barely got powered down, he helped powering up Takitsubo (or at least letting her live) and just overall made it easier for Aleister to control them.
Hamazura explicitly has a strange quality that allows that. He's the reason Crowley's plan went off course and allowed shit like Accelerator ripping apart the darkness and Touma being lost to happen.
>“It seems the irregular factors known as Kamijou Touma and Accelerator are within the allowable limit of irregularity. That is why they are at the core of the plan. When they struggle, it can be used to the benefit of the plan. I don’t actually know what the plan is, though. Incidentally, Hamazura Shiage is different.”
>There was a brief silence before the girl in the dress began speaking again.
>“That Level 0 was a factor that was supposed to have been killed in the conflict between Group, School, Item, Member, and Block. And yet he somehow managed to defeat the #4 Level 5, Mugino Shizuri, on his own and is still living today. …It seems not even Aleister could calculate everything out perfectly.”
>Kinuhata desperately thought as she listened to the girl’s words and was held down by the men.
>Was what she was saying really true?
>“Hamazura Shiage is a Level 0 with no power or usefulness and yet he is attempting to gain something on his own. He is attempting to gain new value that even Aleister did not know of.”
>The girl in the dress then stared down at Kinuhata as if trying to provoke her.
>Or perhaps she was trying to drag an answer out of her.
>“Depending on the situation, he could cause even more damage to Aleister’s plan than Kamijou Touma or Accelerator. Therefore, it seems Academy City is going all out in an attempt to kill him. What do you think? Does he really have that much value?”
And besides all that, it's been said above again and again. Volume 15 was when Crowley's plan went off course. This happens before that. That means this all goes according to plan.
When you look at the average life expectancy of Kihara's in this series, you can't help but think they're not very competent.
Whether Gensei's right or not wouldn't have any bearing on the plan anyway, as long as he's stopped before his plans come to fruition.
I mean, that's basically how most of Aleister's little "plans" played out. It was the same with Biagio. Most of Aleister's plans simply involve someone stopping the current arc's villain's main plot.
To be fair, self preservation is not apart of the Kihara's mindset, not in comparison to SCIENCE anyway.
And then you look at the one Kihara who went around doing magic and he's strong enough to be a part of GREMLIM
>Something was capable of injuring Crowley
Plot twist: It was self inflicted.
Failing that, the previous Image Breaker.
>Failing that, the previous Image Breaker.
Isn't that a given by now?
>something that exists beyond the laws of the world
>something that's not of this world in the first place.
That describes Dark Matter as well and she had no problem beating it. Crowley *might* be able to fight her, but I wouldn't be surprised if he really was out-muscled and relying entirely on IB to fix things.
Bersi is based Bersi though.
Considering his illusions have already been broken, probably.
I hope Othinus dies.
>You can't actually level up by killing a bunch of people because that's retarded, it doesn't work that way.
All this time my video games have been lying to me!
Kamachi has to stop torturing Touma eventually, right?
It'd be great if one of his closest friends or allies is the one who kills her off.
Technically he was supposed to level up because the clones get progressively harder to fight, which is a proven concept. If the experiment got to the very last clone it would probably be full of Kihara-tier bullshit, although even that would hit a brick wall as soon as the wings come out.
>Please buy the Nagai Space BDs
How are they selling compared to Sisters?
Last BD that showed up in stats on MAL was
>*5. 12,598 12,598 Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S Vol.6
Dec 23 - 29, didn't rank in the latest one, which was Dec 29 - Jan 5
Then again I don't know which episodes are on volume 6
Almost the same, the numbers dropped a tiny bit but it isn't significant.
16, 17 and 18. Still the finale of the Sisters arc and a filler episode with short bits adapted from the manga. BD/DVD 7 will be full deep Nagai Space.
why does he look like a bobblehead doll?
his head is larger than his torso
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