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How did we go from this...
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TO THIS
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it looks better
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>>100126488
No it doesn't.
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>>100126488
It really doesn't. Even forgetting the foreground, just look at that rock.
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>>100126430
Technology improved. Those colors are more vibrant, illustrating the dynamism of that show, and the shitty grain who was a necessary evil of the outdated animation techniques has been removed, resulting in a much clearer and enjoyable picture.
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Stop reposting the same bloody thread.
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>>100126599
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Looks pretty bad indeed.
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>>100126601
The colors are disgusting. It's oversatured and too bright. It's not the artists original intention. The Grain is DETAIL. They removed it with a script that removes detail. The people looks like literal vomit now. If you can't see that then there is something wrong with your eyes bro.
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>>100126745
>bro
Stopped reading there.
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>>100126770
So you read the entire thing? Keep trolling.
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>>100126680
I prefer this.
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>>100126745
Not to mention it cuts off 10% of the image at the top and bottom. Difficult to believe someone thought that was a good idea.
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>Cropping 4:3 to 16:9
Why would anyone do this?
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>>100126599
>>100126680
The degraining isn't that bad. The cropping is.
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>>100126819
I'm stuck in a world of retards...
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>>100126876
It's not even 16:9
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Garish was in.

Solid colors were really rad to people then even though grit looks better
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>>100126954
Yes, retards who like grainy static all over the shit they're watching.
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>There are some obvious anomalies like missing tops of heads on characters at times. However, here's something new to discuss: where's the grain? This new release has been rather liberally scrubbed of any "offending" grain, something that gave the few "Level" releases their naturally filmic quality. There are also rather strange stabilization issues on this release, with a noticeable jiggliness between frames that tends to affect the edges of objects, so that they appear to move incrementally or have slight warping or bending tendencies at times. (I'd compare this to telecine wobble or gate weave, except that it only affects objects within the frame, rather than the entire frame itself.) There's no doubt that this has been cleaned, for the image is spotless. Colors are also exceptionally bright and vivid, but this presentation has virtually no connection now to its film source elements.
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>>100126745
>It's not the artists original intention.
>Implying that artists do what they can with what they have at the time and actually enjoy the fact that their art can be updated over time.

Have you seen some of his work? It's fucking bright as fuck. Look at Dragon Warrior.
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>>100126999
Die.
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>>100127118
I bet you like the new Star Wars blu-rays too and think Han shot for, right?
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Anyone who thinks the de-grained and cropped one looks better is fucking blind.
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Fuck grain
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>>100126745
>It's not the artists original intention. The Grain is DETAIL.

Hahaha you think animation artists draw grain?
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It looks better without the grain, but it needs to stay in its original resolution.
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>>100127254

I like grain, but the problem is how bright the colors are.

The more muted colors are way better than the new garish shit
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>>100127284
The grain is detail because the shit they use to remove it also removes a lot of detail.
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>>100127216
>Changing the argument.

Oi, look's like someone is butthurt, boyo.
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>>100126843
This right here I thought this was the biggest thing OP was trying to point out
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>>100127396
And now the lines are way thicker.
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>>100126805
>So you read the entire thing.
That's the joke, champ.
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>>100127487
That, too.
It just looks fucking wrong.
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>>100127284
Even in the age of digital animation they intentionally add that.
Innocence for example is grainy as fuck.
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>>100127421
you're an idiot
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A tiny bit of degraining isn't too awful, scrubbing it clean, fucking with colors, and cropping, is just plain retarded
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>>100126680
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>>100126843
10%? try ~20%
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>>100127176
No, you die.
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>>100127574
Keep slinging insults. I'm right and you're wrong.
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>all shadows are completely black
>bigger outlines
why
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>>100127654
Even this is way better than what they did.

The detail and line quality is still lost, but at least it doesn't burn your eyes out
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original is better, the retouch has less detail

that is a fact, anyone that argues against it is a moron
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>>100127762
Everything Funi did to it is unforgivably terrible.

Or it would be if DBZ wasn't garbage.
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>>100127670

Except Nichijou never had film grain originally then removed, it just never had it in the first place. Idiotic false analogy.
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>>100127762
Actually that and the "original" one have wrong gamma. The blacks are supposed to be, well, blacks. A shame they clearly made it though digital filtering instead of proper mastering of the original films.
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>>100127176
I agree with him, film grain is fucking annoying and cancerous. Course Funimation sucks at what they do and their "Remasters" Look like ass here. I'll take the film grain over a dick in the eye.
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The use of sharpen filters should be considered a crime.
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>>100126408
Why are you all talking about fucking film grain when the entire picture itself was cut? That's unacceptable.
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>muh grain

They both look imperfect though if you ask me
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>>100127908
The image isn't even sharper. It's blurry as fuck because of how stupidly strong the degraining is.
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i like digital art and natural mediums equally but that is a shitty remake. abridged sucks.
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Grain is ok.
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>>100127838
Dragon Ball neither had grain in first place. It's just an artefact caused by film.
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>>100128073
So you post a screenshot with so strong jpeg compression that it completely blurs out all grain?
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The new colors make it look far too cartoonish
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>>100128273

Its Akira Toriyama
its supposed to look cartoonish
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>All these retards going "B-BUT THE GRAIN IS GONE, IT'S FINE"

No it isn't, it's the fact that the colors are REALLY fucking bright and oversaturing. It looks like eye cancer. Not to mention the new one cuts out a SIZABLE portion of the picture. In the first one almost the entire fucking Saibaman foot is cut off and half of his head is gone.

In the second one Nappa's entire forehead is cut off and Vegeta's torso up to the middle of his chest is gone.

I'd rather deal with grain than this trash.
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>>100126601

Also the top and bottom are hacked off and the lines themselves look less sharp, which pretty much ruins the core appeal of Toriyama's art style, but TECHNOLOGY
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>>100129003
The removal of the grain isn't the issue with these pictures, it was just a really shitty 'remaster' job.
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>>100129003

no the colors in the old shots are just washed out

The cropping is awful though
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>>100129003
Recropping shit because "muh 16:9" is the main problem.
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>>100128410
he didn't draw it to look cartoonish originally
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>>100129978
His whole artstyle is everything but realistic
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjawhwXDHQ

If old movies can be released on blu-ray in widescreen without being cropped by just having them look at the original masters and refilming them to digital how come we can't do the same with DBZ instead of just cropping it to hell? Is it because Toei won't let filthy giajin hands get the masters and they are too lazy to redo DBZ in blu-ray properly themselves?
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>>100130384
Nobody has the originals anymore
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>>100130561
wtf did they do with the masters? fucking incompetent japs
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>>100130384
>If old movies can be released on blu-ray in widescreen without being cropped by just having them look at the original masters and refilming them to digital
What? The movie was filmed at some specific aspect ratio. You can't just change that at will. To make a release of it with different aspect ratio you need to either crop it or stretch it, both of which will ruin it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWsDALhOuQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=46
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>>100130865
So they're just magically release old movies in widescreen then?
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>>100130865
Movies are recorded on the film. They simply scan the film again and make an 16:9 version from the movie or wider depending how wide the original aspect ratio is. Usually original one has 2.35:1 ratio or even wider.
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>>100131027
Please give an example of an old movie that was filmed at a non-wide aspect ratio but has a bluray release in widescreen.
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>>100131098
21:9 still needs to be cropped to get 16:9
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mfw some random guy on youtube did a better job than funimation on removing the grain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGgxGlpRGso
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>>100128073
You mean intentional stylistic overlay's on specific areas?
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>>100129003
Cropping it like retards isn't the fault of removing grain. Cropping is unforgiveable but yeah >>100129819
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>>100129881
it's the cropping that's the problem

>my cartoony cartoon has vivid cartoony colours
is not the problem
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>>100131187
This is very strange to watch without sound
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>>100131153
For some reason people don't mind so much horizontal black bars as they do with vertical ones, so 21:9 movies are ok without cropping anything.
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>>100131027
Most movies in the last century where shot in 2.35:1, they where just cropped on the vhs version you where used to see. So when they rescanned the film they just left it in original ratio or crop it to 16:9
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ITT : people not understanding shit about how film and video are captured.
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What if dbz was simply drawn in 4:3?
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>>100131187
damn that looks good
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>>100132461
so educate us
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEvLIkDBlk



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