Just finished SnK anime. Am I the only one who noticed this?
I heard people say that this show has great action scenes and soundtrack, but the truth is there are not any good fighting scenes in SnK, all look plain and lazy, it's like Bay movie. shoddy direction, lame action sequences and gets bored pretty easily.
Seriously, low budget shit like Evangelion came out 18 years ago, it has more remarkable scenes than SnK
This somehow makes me feel anime has become a talentless industry.
You might not know it yet, but the general consensus around here is that SnK is garbage.
>Am I the only one
The well animated episodes of Evangelion are pretty good. However, only around half of the series is actually animated.
you mean it's popular and not the greatest thing ever so /a/ hates on it, I find that very hard to believe
You'd be surprised.
Yes, because you are a unique snowflake.
>From the director of High School of Dead
It's because SnK is from the start very over the top. Evangelion is complete calm until something big happens.
Some of the action in Evangelion is outright bad, particularly in the first episodes.
Shhhhh! the fanboys will get you for hinting that its not a perfect show
really? that surprises me. HSOTD was far less of a mess than SnK.
What? No Eva fan thinks the show is perfect.
it's more like the serie went out of budget around episode 14, the first combat in the second episode is really great
Yeah, let's compare a show that's over 10 years old and had a complete shit budget to the adaptation of one of the most popular manga in recent years, because that totally doesn't make SnK even shittiert.
The action in the original Eva was very deliberate. There was never any "action for the sake of action." Compare this to the rebuild movies where a larger proportion of the action is just filler and eye-candy. To compare the two would not be dissimilar to comparing the action in the original Star Wars trilogy to the Prequel trilogy.
I haven't seen SnK, but I'm going to guess from it's popularity that it's an "action for the sake of action" series. Am I wrong?
You're joking right?
The parts that were actually animated were amazing. I won't deny that SnK itself is shit, but there was some sakuga amongst the stills.
Most episodes in Eva look like shit and vastly inferior to SnK, so it doesnt matter.
I actually loved the way Evangelion did this. They stretched their budget far further than it would have otherwise gone, achieved OVA-quality animation in most of the fight scenes, and other than a few instances of QUALITY that were later re-animated when Death came out, the results were pretty good.
Even the notorious instances of half minute or longer still frames, and recycled animation cels just seems to work, and adds something creative to the series that otherwise wouldn't have been there.
You can't fucking believe all the MoTW, lack of budget etc is perfection
Any reasonable person wouldn't, but fanatics are not all reasonable people.
I don't think it's perfect by a long shot, but have you seen the hardcore Eva fanbase?
Not him, but I actually really liked the last two episodes, the ones that are most infamous for "lack of budget". Actually they ran out of time at the end, not money as is often believed. But yeah, they were definitely stretching their money and making it count.
Also, I like how you think a show being a "monster of the week" format makes it shit. Plenty of good anime (and /tv/ for that matter) ultimately fit that format.
Most of the hardcore fanbase is talking about End of Evangelion when they're talking perfection, though. That's an entirely different animal from the tv anime, quality-wise, which is what we're talking about here.
OP is a massive retard or a troll, possibly both.
It would be MoTW if everything was restored to the status quo after the end of each episode with minimal development of the setting or the characters. This is blatantly non-true in the case of Eva.
Didn't say it made it shit. But it certainly wasn't something worthy of being perfection. It was more or less a mediocre mecha show at that point with some interesting underlying themes that didn't come out till the second half.
Mediocre mecha show? I want to hear what you're idea of a good mecha show is.
Most of it, but not everyone.
Also, Evangelion series and rebuild are good, anyone who dislikes either and SnK is an idiot.
I wouldn't even say Eva is a mecha show, by the standard definition. It's a character drama which unravels in a sci-fi/mecha setting.
>implying some of those 3DG scenes were not fucking incredible
>b-but its flashy and michael bay and meaningless
>implying that doesn't look good regardless
>It's a character drama which unravels in a sci-fi/mecha setting.
I'd say that's the definition of a good mecha show right there.
I can see why OP compared it to Michael Bay. It looks great, but does the action amount to anything "substantial?" The third gif especially seems like just eye-candy.
I don't think this is a bad thing, I just think some people are easily fooled into liking something because of the spectacle, and they don't think about what it really means (if it means anything).
>what it really means
It means one titan is kicking the other titan's ass, what the fuck else is it supposed to mean you pretentious fuck.
You dipshits seem to think that everything should make your think or blow your mind. Shut the fuck up, sit down, and enjoy whatever you're watching, or don't, just don't pretend your opinion is the last say on the quality of a show.
Incidentally, End of Eva was hated on it's premier, and I can see why. There was only one major robot fight and the majority of it was impenetrable spiritual imagery with philosophical terms sprinkled in. It's the perfect ending to the series, but it wasn't what fans were expecting or what they wanted after being the denied that ending in episodes 25 and 26.
That's what it means on a superficial level. What I'm asking is what it means as far as pushing forward a plot, developing characters, things like that.
Like I said, there isn't anything wrong with enjoying something purely for action. What bothers me is when people try to pretend something is more than it actually is.
>Neon Genesis Evolution clip
I hate that that's the only clip of the Arael battle available.
Incidentally, that's not from the original tv anime. It was reanimated for Death, and the "director's cut" added "Worthy is the Lamb" as the background music. A definite improvement, and one of the best scenes from the series. Anno and Shiro Sagisu are among the best when it comes to adapting classical music to anime.
Are you seriously saying you'd consider the first half of Eva anything higher than mediocre?
Not him, but the first two episodes were great. Everything up to 14 was just OK, monster of the week and all that.
Reaction was mixed. Some people hated it, but it did go on to win the Animage Grand Prix and won "Audience's Choice" at the Animation Kobe Awards that year. Many American reviewers definitely seemed to hate it at first, for sure.
But you're right that it didn't gain the reputation as a modern classic until several years later, when people began reassessing it.
But action does push forward the plot.
Eren killed enough titans for it to seem like they were really invading Trost, but not over done to where it got repetitive.
I like how they say the spear gets stuck in the moon's orbit. I really love this kind of details.
>implying you can appreciate a major fuck up without appreciating the buildup to it
You didn't answer my question. If the first half was so bad, what mecha show was better than it?
Not the guy you're talking to but the first half of eva definitely isn't mediocre. Sure, it isn't as interesting as the second half but it gives contrast to the rest of the series. Rather than jumping straight into MAXIMUM PAIN, MAXIMUM SUFFERING like snk does. No subtlety whatsoever
>it didn't gain the reputation as a modern classic until several years later
> it didn't gain the reputation as a modern classic until several years later
> it didn't gain the reputation as a modern classic until several years later
I haven't seen SnK so I'm not making any specific criticisms. I'm sorry if it seemed like I was.
I have my own qualms about SnK, namely the "filler" episodes which they outsourced, resulting in pic related moments, but the action sequences were pretty spot on.
SnK is just another zombie deal, and the anime's pacing is completely fucked.
That's just Viz and ADV hyping their property. Yes, it was clear that Evangelion was a popular success even while it was airing, but plenty of popular things are shit with no lasting impact.
>Nice white and god-fearing titan couple enjoying the sights
>Sperging autist kills them
Zombie? It barely qualifies as cannibalism.
I'd say MuvLuv has more in common with SnK than a zombie story does.
Sure, Japan talked about how NGE plays an important role in anime history after TV series end.
>This somehow makes me feel anime has become a talentless industry
You know who was in charge of the SnK adaptation right?
It's just that Eva was directed by Anno and Snk was directed by whatshisname. Simple as that.
Oh come on, they turn into giants if eaten and the last remaining survivors are attempting to keep what's left of civilization from perishing under threat of being munched crossed with mecha. I get the comparison to Muv-Luv but that isn't the first thing that pops into my mind or the reason it became popular.
And it doesn't excuse how bad the pacing was in the anime.
sorry, wrong page
>Turn into giants if eaten
There's absolutely no evidence for that, you're full of shit.
Non-transforming titans aren't even human anymore, so it's technically not even cannibalism.
You know the interview that thread is quoting is from 2005, right? That's 7 years after End of Evangelion premiered, and nearly a decade after the first episode of the tv anime.
>they turn into giants if eaten
But that's not how it works at all.
In the last decade, we’ve only accumulated more and more fictional, symbol-laden stories with lots of cute girls. What in the world is going on here? That’s the general impression of otaku in Japan. At the same time, we know that there is something that makes this necessary.
And that is a great point to how far Eva has had an effect on the Anime industry and even on a local scale, such as Akihabara
Yep, and I was never arguing against that. I was just saying in 1997 no one knew it was going to have that effect.Try to read what people are saying about your anime before rushing to its unnecessary defense- or being contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian.
>or being contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian.
Ya hit it.
Every thread eveah