Did i miss something important, or is this the most overrated anime of all time? I don't feel comfortable giving it more than a 7/10.
It was not bad until the baseball tournament episode, which marked the beginning of the "yet another high school haremshit with a tsundere lead" phase.
The episodes from S2 added absolutely nothing and if anything made it worse: the "endless eight" were an interesting concept, making you feel as though you were part of the group, going through the same two weeks thousands of times, but as soon as you figured out what was happening (spoiler: it happens pretty quickly) it loses its feeling of novelty and you start skipping forward. The film episodes on the other hand could have been completely trashed and the whole world would be better off.
I wish they had continued expanding on the more philosophical plot points, like the anthropic principle and stuff that Koizumi explained.
As a whole, it wasn't tragically abhorrent, but i really don't understand why it's so famous and arguably part of the "anthology" of anime.
>is this the most overrated anime of all time?
How fucking young are you, man?
Losers just use it to forget their own boring and miserable high school life.
i should add that even as a high school comedy (from ep7 onward) it wasn't very good except for the last couple of episodes
age is irrelevant for the discussion at hand
>The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is over a decade old
confirmed for CLASSIC status.
>It was not bad until the baseball tournament episode
So, episode 4. You watched it in the right order, right?
>calls it overrated
Go away MAL
Haruhi, as an anime is not really 'good' actually.
Haruhi, as a franchise is a masterpiece though.
>i really don't understand why it's so famous and arguably part of the "anthology" of anime.
Japan shit taste
Rest of world internerd
I liked the movie
But yes, everything else came across as pretty damn generic.
This. What gave you the idea that it was a harem?
>It was not bad until the baseball tournament episode, which marked the beginning of the "yet another high school haremshit with a tsundere lead" phase.
Ok, so you watched it in chronological order... well, you fucked up, man.
You watched it in chronological order, didn't you? You fucking idiot.
I watched it in the 2009 broadcast order, with the S2 episodes sprinkled in between S1
yea sorry harem is incorrect, i got carried away. High school comedy
7/10 for me is "good" or ("average/good" if it's a low 7, like in this case). It's something i'm used to from school grades.
that's interesting. So is the anime basically the weak link in the whole franchise?
what's the correct order?
>comes of as generic
You realize it comes of as generic because it popularized a ton of trends in modern anime.
inb4 some faggots tries to imply I said originated the trends
Average is 5 you stupid shit
>hasn't seen Disappearance yet
I watched it in chronological order and I liked it very much. OP is just a faggot.
It wasn't so special.
Look at this shit taste.
>Implying order matters
I watched it Airing order and then erased my memory and went through chronological. I later compared both experiences and came to the conclusion that endless eight is shit.
OP confirmed for shitposting faggot.
Sage and reported.
>not reading the novels
IT IS A TOUCHING SCI-FI ROMANCE BETWEEN KYON AND KYON'S INNER VOICE
Kyon fucking dammit, how shit can your taste get?
I feel like there was a big "you had to be there" factor to it, between the weird order that the episodes played in when the first season aired and the "how long are they going to keep this up" factor of endless 8.
>I wish they had continued expanding on the more philosophical plot points, like the anthropic principle and stuff that Koizumi explained.
It's good atmosphere but starts to feel more like filler the more he does it. Decently balanced I think.
It gives a different feel but this is what should be going on, not spending time being anime-only in a thread about this series.
Can you really do that? Just report someone for being a retard and having shit taste?
So, what do you think about the theory that Haruhi is not God, but that it is actually Kyon who is?
i wonder what special to you is. enlighten us with your hand-picked goodness.
1/10 made me reply
5 is "unsatisfactory"
that's an interesting point
fair enough, not sure the airing order would have such a huge impact on the overall feeling of the show though. The only positive it would have is that broadcast order separates the two seasons so you don't have to deal with the S2 episodes which IMO were far below S1 standards quality-wise
that wasn't the OP though, I haven't watched it yet. I guess it's next on my list
>if you dont like what i like you're just a faggot and here's why:
yes, this is what i understand too. Too bad i wasn't there when it aired so i'll never get to be part of this cool kids club that is /a/
Kyon's VA was a huge plus, loved him in nichibros
trolling is low quality posting
same with spoonfeeding
don't let lazy mods tell you any different
5 is average. That is why it is the middle of the 10 point scale. Anything else is skewed just by math.
GO WATCH IT NOW
It's nice headcanon, but ultimately I don't see it as being really plausible. I could see something like him and Haruhi together forming a sort of Holy Duality or something.
I don't think he's trolling, I'm pretty sure he's sincerely asking.
This talk about not seeing the appeal always goes nowhere and is a pretty bad way to start a thread, I don't think we'll have a nice discussion.
But give Disappearance a try. While I enjoyed the series I wasn't a big fan of it, but it was worth watching just for that movie alone.
>It wasn't so special.
I'm not even a fan of the Haruhi franchise and had to concede that the movie was pretty fucking good.
Talking about this chain with the useless unsupported assertion that expects someone else to do the heavy lifting of the argument.
That is garbage, not so much the OP itself.
Because you only saw it now, when one and a thousand other shows tried to imitate it. Also, seems like you watched chronological order, your fault.
>you'll never watch Yuki save Kyon again for the first time
Am I the only one disturbed that the Unlimited Bait Works are always posted with an image for Gate of Baitylon?
I know it's an ironic meta-bait, but it's getting dangerously close to people thinking that's what UBW really looks like.
No, it always upsets me so it works.
>when one and a thousand other shows tried to imitate it
What does this even mean in this particular context? Is every show wherein the focus is primarily a club full of misfits suddenly an imitation of Haruhi? Pretty sure those have existed beforehand.
SEASON 3 FUCKING WHEN
When the bassist gets some.
I know it works, but what I'm saying is that people will just think that's what UBW really looks like and the ironic aspect will be lost, along with the true form of UBW.
Or do we, when that point comes, start posting the "proper" UBW image to troll the newfags?
And I'm pretty sure non of them were ever as successful. Everything after just tried to ride the wave.
Angel Beats OST sold well, IIRC
Man, you're not understanding the argument here. Haruhi was one of the most successful anime revolving around a club. Whatever came before, nothing was as successful as it, so this set some rules as to "how to make a successful anime revolving around a club". A lot of anime nowadays uses those "rules". So, if you watch Haruhi now, of course it would look generic, because it's like the original set of "rules". You can't be more generic than that.
You've never been to a school with a 10-point grading system before, have you? Usually, the lowest passing grade is considered to be either 5.5 or 6.
That's some fucked up logic. If it doesn't stand out on it's own merits when weighed against a similar piece it was never so exceptional to begin with, merely first. The club of misfits setup employed by Haruhi wasn't what made it special.
no, but he asked a question for an even more important discussion, is OP just a little faggot or a complete idiot?
The lowest passing grade is a 5. You can even pass with a 4.5 depending on the teacher.
So, you're saying that, after making a thousand copies of something, the original should still hold that originality and special light that you saw in it the first time, even to the eyes of someone that grew knowing the copies all his life? That's stupid, man.
Not the same anon, but if you score it as if it were like school then there's really no point in having the options between 1-4, because you would rarely encounter something that bad, just as you would rarely encounter a test that bad in school.
If you take all the anime in existence and average out their scores it should be a 5, not a 7.
The anime itself is pretty average, it's nothing special at least.
The movie however is nothing short of a masterpiece and inarguably the best anime movie I've seen of all time.
It's 60 in America for elementary, middle, and highschool. Usually at the very least a 70 in college and university.
Let me tell you this to upset you even more. All the bait images never feature bait, only hooks.
It's 6 or 7.
That's retarded. Well, know that in Europe people follow mathematical rules and 5 is the average of 10.
What's so silly about setting a higher standard for basic education? Sage offtopic etc.
More like 5 means you are stupid and unless the grades were based on a bell curve? getting a 5 means you are mediocre.
That's stupid. If there's only masterpieces in the world, would you put a 1 to the worst masterpice only to maintain that argument?
Originality isn't the only merit of a good anime.
If the characters are interesting or if the humor is good then it should still be able to break the label of 'generic'.
How would you know they're masterpieces if you have no shit to compare it against?
Why do you think the requirement to have a 100 IQ changes every generation or so?
I enjoyed Haruhi as a whole.
I actually agree. This show had terrible pacing and pulled stupid stunts with the retarded broadcast order and endless eight. Everything the show did right is outweighed by what it did terribly wrong.
I never understood the hype when it was airing, and I don't understand why it has withstood the test of time as a cherished classic.
Because that's how IQ is defined. If suddenly water started to boil at 150ºC, we may have to redefine the whole C system (actually, we wouldn't, since we have the triple point of water and ºK, but you get my point). If you want to define a 5 in anime as the mean of all anime in history, then so be it, but have in mind that you also need to change the score you give to everything every year, since, you know, the quality of anime is changing with time. Personally, I use my enjoyment as a rule.
Getting a 6 for a test just means you got 60% of the problems on the test right. The fact that 1-4 are barely used is irrelevant. Of course, the merits of a work of entertainment can't be easily quantified like that, but I do think the same line of reasoning should apply.
I live in Europe and in every school I've been in, the lowest passing grade has always been at least 5.5. Also, '5' isn't the middle of a 10-point grading system, it exists between 5 and 6:
1 2 3 4 5 | 6 7 8 9 10
In my country we discovered the 0 a long time a go. A blank test would give you one, for example.
Those were simpler times.
>There is a chart suggesting the "proper" methods for watching Haruhi
Now that I think about it that show kinda did go full retard.
It's shit, movie is great though.
>trashing endless 8
That would make it an 11-point system. Either way, it's irrelevant because it's a ratio anyway and it's just a matter where you put the cut-off line.
This series is so overrated for 2 simple reasons:
It presented a "goddess" for the otakus, something that made them form a community with terms that only they understand and made them feel special, you don't know how many times I saw the expression "Oh my haruhi" back in the day.
The movie shoushitsu was so good that for some people the series is considered a "shitty prologue to understand the masterpiece that it's the movie"
Haruhi a shit. Disappearance a shit. Kyon a shit. Bump. Also Kyon actually is kind of a shit.
Your school has pretty low standards then
what an exciting discussion. Congratulations on turning 12 by the way
I live in Europe and 5 is not a passing grade
I didn't trash them. Like another anon said before (and i agreed with him) I think to enjoy this show to its maximum potential you kind of had to be there when it aired. Knowing about the endless 8 already prepares you for them, knowing they're 8 already tells you how long it'll take, and having the ability to fast forward through them destroys the whole point of the arc. Like I said in the OP, it is an interesting concept, watching the show now though nullifies what the endless 8 did.
True, in the end it all comes down to personal taste. I was just wondering if i was missing something, but again, it seems to be just a matter of "you had to be there". Also, I think >>100113468 and >>100112271 bring up an interesting point, though i don't really have the knowledge to actually agree.
Anyway, off to watch the movie now.
calling each other autistic faggots every 2 words isn't a requirement for intelligent discussion
Haruhi is love and anyone who says otherwise is a heathen.
Watch Disappearance, see if it changes your mind a bit.
>Rating the series without watching it all
Oh man. Is this some elaborate bait? IRC go to bed.
I always wondered, in the LN's how is EE handled? Is it just the same thing written ten times with minor details changed like in the anime?
Holy shit, how many times have we been through seriously talking about haruhi? I'm sick of this shit, i've literally seen it from every angle, actually there's not much TO dicuss anyway. moot should make /ar/ anime retro so /a/ can be to discuss airing showing. Either that or people should go through archive. Why don't we discuss bananas while we're at it.
read it faggot
Never read it myself but I think it's like that but it's not that long.
It's very average and is only remembered because of its popularity and status as one of the first anime a lot of western fans watched. I also hate what it did to the industry in terms of shitty high school LN adaptations.
So its average because a lot of people like it, and its also average even though it changed the industry itself.
The interactions, the settings, the atmosphere, the music, the VA's (The seiyuus are all pretty famous). Most people love the interactions, and the facial reactions of haruhi and Kyon. It's the conversations, the atmosphere, and the pacing that people like so much.
Ok, so mostly the interactions, and the plot / pacing. For me though, I liked the simplistic atmosphere while still managing to be complex and mysterious. If you haven't been spoiled, or haven't seen it, or anything like it previous to watching it, The Haruhi Suzamiya Stories will have a pretty big impact on someone unfamiliar in that genre / unfamiliar with the concepts discussed within.
Otherwise I agree, except I give it an 8/10 instead of a 7 simply because of Yuki being a secret alpha female, even though she's a classic kuudere.
>the facial reactions of haruhi and Kyon
Well, being a poor example, if you pick an example that isn't shit, it may give more credit to my post than simply picking the most basic and regular facial expression you could possibly find. Facial expressions like that are found within ALL anime, not just The Haruhi suzamiya stories serie, so you really didn't prove or disprove anything.
>So is the anime basically the weak link in the whole franchise?
Yeah, the novels are what did make it so popular to begin with. And the hare hare.
I watched it for the doujins.
It loses something when you watch it out of context, it's also why I haven't rewatched it in a long time. (That and endless eight).
The thing about Haruhi was that it had a great hook. Chronogical Episode 11, which was the first broadcast episode the "Adventures of Asahina Mikuru 00" was odd, completely unexpected, and very intriguing. The plot made no sense, the aspect ratio was crap, but the animation was good despite the intentional hand-held cam look. And there was just enough of a hint of the sci-fi supernatural stuff to keep you engaged. Things like the brief flash of Mikuru beam, or Shamisen talking.
And then at the end of the episode the video goes widescreen. And then we get the next episode preview where Kyon and Haruhi argue about whether the next episode is episode 1 or episode 2.
Watching that for the first time, as it was airing, having no idea what the fuck you just saw or what was happening... it was pretty amazing, and it's hard to recapture that experience.
Was it gimmicky? Yeah, for sure. But it worked. And it wasn't like they did it without reason. Chronological order Haruhi has severe pacing issues, due to the materials coming from seperate volumes of the LN. When you watch chronological order you end up with pretty much all the plot development in the first six episodes, getting more serious and drepressing the whole way. And then it switches gears into comedy filler for the next seven episodes before we get a bit melancholy at Someday in the Rain.
Have you seen Disappearance? If not, then you need to leave and watch it before formulating an opinion on the series as a whole. Also, if you watched it in chronological order, then you missed a lot of the show's charm.
And let's not forget here. Haruhi is what made KyoAni what it is today. This is the show that rocketed them up in terms of name recognition. Yes, I liked Fumoffu as well but we all know that wasn't their massive break out hit.
And it's easy to forget nowadays, when we have a new KyoAni show every season, but we didn't get animation that was animated with such detail or budget the way KyoAni does back when Haruhi first started airing.
One of the reasons the concert sequence in season 1 Haruhi was so good was just because the incredible amount of detail KyoAni animated. They animated their hands actually playing the instruments, the sweat coming off their brows. A cultural festival scene is very common in anime even then, so we've had a lot to compare it to, and every other show skip out on the animation. No one ever actually animations hands playing instruments, we're lucky if we see the arms move at all and not just indistict blobs on a stage and a brief soundbite of music.
Now though? After two seasons and a movie of K-On, that sequence loses a bit of its impact. But when it aired, it was the only thing that did it, and it was glorious.
Technically Haruhi-chan, but it's still god-tier.
The entire series is a pile of garbage, just skip it.
This coming from someone who watched everything, including the retarded movie.
did you read the books?
>ITT kids this days
Wait, you hadn't seen Haruhi until recently?
Care to share a good one? My favorites are that kyonko doujin (They went to see the stars) and the TK ones.
Never, for real. The author is way too slow and Ito was demoted.
One of the best.
Off the top of my head it's heard to think of more, I didn't keep a text file of my favorites back then.
You can't have an episode like "Someday in the snow" and not be a classic.
>and Ito was demoted.
someday in the rain?
It's just the last loop. It's not interesting in the least.
Yes. Getting my episode titles mixed up with Winter Days from K-ON which is somewhat similiar.
The Kadokawa representative that had the bonds with KyoAni took the blame for Nichijou flopping and was demoted, so Kadokawa and KyoAni don't have any bond now.
I thought it was because the concert scene was lifted from Linda Linda Linda.
I forgot how well Yuki could shred.
3DP disgusting from Beck.
No idea what you're talking about but I'll raise you a bunny rock girl.
Funny you posted this, I'm watching the endless eight as we speak. Until the endless eight eight, I'd say it as a generic yet enjoyable anime. Now? I'm fucking annoyed. Higurashi at least changed things every episode with the whole neverending summer shit. Fuck.
All these newfags.
Man up anon, it'll be worth it.
Also Endless Eight is a masterpiece. One day you'll understand.
Nope, just late on this series anon. Not everyone sits in their mom's basement watching anime 24/7. Though admittedly I'm a bit new to SoL anime, mostly only fucked with seinen until a year ago.
Just finished it actually, was on the 8th when I wrote it. Perhaps you're write though, and I'll appreciate by the time I finish the series.
I miss it. So fucking much. More than any anime I've ever finished.
I've been wondering too. As a newfag, I watched Haruhi recently. And I wondered. I wondered how that piece of crap could be the most influential anime of the 2000s. Care to explain to me?
Entry level goddess
Get some taste.
that's a very description of a newfag