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'There was a time when people were under the impression that anime makes money, and that anime is a culture that can gain respect worldwide'

> "The bubble has burst" in Japan for the anime industry, Yamamoto said.He said the reluctance of the anime industry to change its business practices has driven down wages, drained the creative spirit and consequently turned off many fans.

>"It is becoming the norm to order some of our work to anime productions in China and South Korea. Not because we want to suppress our personnel costs, but rather because we are unable to find enough people to work (in Japan)," Yamamoto, 36, said.

>He said that while the skills and quality of work produced in those countries are improving, "many of the works appear to have been influenced strongly by Japanese designs."

>"I'm hoping that something that is typical of that country will come out," Yamamoto said. Yamamoto's expectations come from watching the domestic industry become glutted with similar anime styles.
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>>100102751
I'm glad anime isn't "respectable"

Where else can I watch a story about a boy who sucks breastmilk to power his iron manipulating magic ability?
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>"There was a time when people were under the impression that anime makes money, and that anime is a culture that can gain respect worldwide," Yamamoto said. "But at the same time, the priority has been on quantity."

>Working conditions have remained dire, and the industry has been hit by a chronic shortage of creators.The recession exacerbated the animators' woes as sponsorships have shriveled since around 2007. With television broadcasters cutting their budgets, the anime industry has tried to make up for lost sales through DVD productions. But even that strategy has been undermined by illegal broadcasts on the Internet.

>Another concern for the industry is a possible shrinking fan base. Estimates put the population of die-hard anime fans at around 150,000. But Yamamoto suspects the number now falls short of 100,000. Part of the reason, Yamamoto said, is that producers, including himself, devoted too much of their energies in creating cutesy "moe" (budding)-type characters in hopes of making sure-sell products in an already small market.

>"Although the otaku (geek) market is said to be a robust one, even the otaku are not immune to Japan's economic doldrums," Yamamoto said.
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>Voices critical opinions on the decline of creativity

>Directs an extremely derivative sameface anime about one of the most vapid things in Japanese culture

Oh Yamakan
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>"I'm hoping that something that is typical of that country will come out,"
Well, I don't disagree with that. It would be cool if China made historical drama animation with the same production value as some of their blockbuster live action.

Yamakan a bad though.
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>"It is becoming the norm to order some of our work to anime productions in China and South Korea. Not because we want to suppress our personnel costs, but rather because we are unable to find enough people to work (in Japan)," Yamamoto, 36, said.

That does sound distressing, but the rest seems like typical Yamakan whining when he should take a look at his own works first.
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>>100102975
>whining when he should take a look at his own works first
Well, if WUG is any indication he sure experiences a lack of people wanting to work for him.
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>>100103011
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Remember when Yamakan said that the only thing that could save Japan was AKB after watching their movie?
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>>100102897
No way did he said he hates moe?
Remember this is the faggot that gave us Haruhi and rucky shit.
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>>100102975
Just like every non-japanese animation studios. But the most important work is still done by Japanese.
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>>100102751
WUG Movie simultaneously broadcasted in 108 countries, ranked above all other anime this season at stalker and is most discussed by far show of the season.

Yamakan is a savior anime needs, but does not deserve.
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>>100103080
>Remember this is the faggot that gave us Haruhi and rucky shit.
Wow, those are supposed to be bad products?
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>>100102751
>>100102790

Oh that Yamakan, always lamenting over the state of the anime industry!
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Otaku culture is the problem, not the anime themselves.

I really liked WUG but, fuck, don't expect anime to gain any "respect" if all you produce is moeshit/idolshit.
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>>100103137
>ranked above all other anime this season at stalker
Where were you when Yamakan succeeded?
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>>100102751
>and that anime is a culture that can gain respect worldwide

It got respect thanks to Miyazaki's works and the great series of the 60s, 70s, 80s. Tons of European guys grow up with Japanese animation.
You are ruining everything with moeshit, now.
And it's obvious that Chinese and Koreans copy Japanese style, since you let them learn your know-how.
But Osamu Tezuka wasn't Korean or Chinese. He was Japanese. He was influenced by Disney, but he created a completely new and fresh style, and tons of genres and contents that you can't find in Western comics and cartoons. Only look at your past, Japan, if you want to find new inspiration.
And I hope China and Korea will find their own style.
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>>100103139
I meant "moe" (budding)-type characters
Yamakan fucking love moe.
Just look at BRS, fractale and Kannagi
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>>100103139
No, it's just hypocritical to hate moe while directing series with hefty amounts of said moe in them.
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>>100103186
WUG and half of BRS were not moeshit.
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>>100103175
>Tons of European guys grow up with Japanese animation.
A lot of that was European stories and co-produced with European companies though. It makes sense to draw a comparison with Japanese films contracting in other Asian countries.
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I remembered when Yamakan used to follow his own words. Just like when he promised he would retire if Fractale flopped.

OH WAIT
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>>100102751
>"It is becoming the norm to order some of our work to anime productions in China and South Korea. Not because we want to suppress our personnel costs, but rather because we are unable to find enough people to work (in Japan),"
They aren't able to find people for entry-level animation jobs precisely because they tried to control costs at the expense of their employee's welfare.
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>>100103180
BRS was not his work though.
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>>100102901

China can't do shit.
Creative Industries dance a dangerous waltz with the Chinese Censorship & Propaganda Committee.
One misstep or misunderstanding and you face the actual prospect of being in a hard labor camp.

Can you imagine what the Communist propaganda committee people would think of anime with political and ideological themes like Gundam or Code Geass?
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>>100103211
>WUG
>not moe

wtfamIreading.jpg
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>>100103137
>ranked above all other anime this season at stalker

WuG peaked at #70, but right now its on its way down.
Pic related is Chuu2 current rank.
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>>100103186

it's really not. you'll fine people even in Hollywood become involved in projects they're not fond of just to make money. exploiting idiots is a good thing.
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>>100103139

Yamakan was fired after directing the first four episodes of Lucky Star.
Before leaving KyoAni he worked in collaboration on the Haruhi series.
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>>100103226
>A lot of that was European stories and co-produced with European companies though.

"A lot of"? Nah, mainly meisaku, and they were mainly made by Nippon Animation, and their main target were Japanese kids and families.
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>>100103304
>*38位/*51位 ★ (***,601 pt) [*,**4予約] 14/02/28 劇場版「Wake Up Girls! 七人のアイドル」 初回限定版[Blu-ray+CD]
>*74位/*74位 ★ (**1,177 pt) [*,**4予約] 3/19/2014 中二病でも恋がしたい! 戀 (1) [Blu-ray]
Kyoani is getting blown the fuck out by yamakan this season.
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>>100103074
Japanese Goverment thinks the only thing that can save Japan is Momoiro Clover, but in essense they share the same santiment.

Japanese culture needs to stop aiming inwards, and export itself.
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>>100102784
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>>100103293
Did you even watch it ?
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>>100103414
Wait? Are you defining moeshit as cute girls doing cute things?
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>drained the creative spirit

Why is it that no director research their stuff before claiming shit?

> consequently turned off many fans.

Thank god. can you imagine ruined it'll be, if it's TOO popular? I want people to discover it on their own and not create some large blog complaining about shit.
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>>100103343
Anon please

>***,337位 (**3,970pt) [*,**7予約] 2014年02月19日 小鳥遊六花・改 ~劇場版 中二病でも恋がしたい!~ [Blu-ray]
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>>100103431
Are you one of these retards that think moe is an artstyle ?
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>>100102784
S-source on this please
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>>100103414
Just because a character has a shitty voice acting and bland hair color doesn't mean they are not moe.
That glutinous girl eating scene for example can be considered as moe.
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He can talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?
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>>100103274
>One misstep or misunderstanding and you face the actual prospect of being in a hard labor camp.
That's a huge overstatement. You normally risk to have your product censored and thus lose all the money you invested in it though directors can still sell it to foreigners (like what happened a recent Tarantino-esque film)
The censorship is a problem and if you stick your head up too often shit can get nasty but it's not the case that one misstep lands you in a labour camp ffs.
Anyway, he said 'something typical of that country', which is historical drama for a number of reasons.

Korea is more liberal though, and they've been doing contract work for longer. I'm waiting for independent Korean animation too.
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>>100103326
This is false. After Lucky Star he worked for 2 years in KyoAni and directed half the Haruhi S2.

He was kicked because he publically commened how E8 was shit.
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I like how Yamakan constantly criticizes the anime industry on its uncreativity and business model when he is doing the exact same thing with WUG. This guy is no more than a hypocrite and deserves no respect.

On the other hand, his rival Shinbo has actually managed to transform a shitty manga into something that's actually artistically interesting. Has Yamakan ever done anything original? An idol anime sure sounds innovative.
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>>100103598
>because he publically commened how E8 was shit
But E8 was a miracle
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>>100103606
>his rival Shinbo has actually managed to transform a shitty manga
Which?
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>>100103573
>Korea is more liberal though, and they've been doing contract work for longer. I'm waiting for independent Korean animation too.

Funny thing, Asian society's concepts of "Liberal" and "Conservative" really don't map to the Western versions of those same concepts. As a result, you'll often find surprising exceptions in behavior, in people you've classified as one or the other.
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>>100103531
You watch only mature shows for mature people without moe like Psycho Pass?
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>>100103606
WUG isn't a LL/IM@S clone at least.
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Globalization and direct fan engagement is a solution.
Like video-games industry already does (Valve with it's ARGs, contests, fan-made creations making it in the game).
Log Horizon author understood it and now he basically created a cult media franchise out of message-board DIY project.
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>>100103694
I meant it's more liberal as in less politically oppressive. Which is a fact.
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>>100103606
Shinbo churns same shit over and over for years with no creativity whatsoever.
>he is doing the exact same thing with WUG
except he does not

>transfroms a shitty manga
you mean, ruined Nisekoi, which is popular WSJ manga and could be a hit if done by pretty much any other studio
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>>100103531
Everyone can be moe, even 3DPD, retard. Moeshit anime are anime whose entire purpose is to show off cute girl doing very cute thing that one individual could find moe, or not.

WUG tell an actual story = it's not moeshit. It doesn't matter if there's cute girls or not.
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>>100103685
?
Like?
Hidamari?
It is one of the most popular series in manga time kirara. He couldnt even ruin it if he tried.
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>>100103351
>Japanese culture needs to stop aiming inwards

What made so great Japanese animation and comics was its own peculiar style. So, it's not bad if their main target is still Japanese. The bad thing is if the main target is the otaku and not the normal people target.

Look at Tonari no Seki-kun. It has a very Japanese humor, but it's adorable. And it is good for kids, teenagers and adults.
Indeed the anime is broadcast also on a Monday morning at 11.00 am.
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>>100103685
He might be talking about Nisekoi. In that case I agree with him. Nisekoi was a shitty manga but the adaptation was pretty damn solid.
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>>100103893

And yet the otaku and people here still lewdify it

C'est la vie
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>>100103723
Now you are really kidding.
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>>100103999
Are you saying South Korea is more politically oppressive than China?
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>>100103893
>What made so great Japanese animation and comics was its own peculiar style
this only happened in the 90ths. Before Japanese animation was working very actively for foreign markets and cooperated with other companies and co productions. There was anime coproduced with Soviet Union for fuck sake.
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>>100103989
So it manages to be interesting both for normal people and 4chan level otakus, what's bad about that?
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>>100103937
Is it the opposite day? Your opinion is wrong and you should feel ashamed. Shinbo butchered it with his shitty style.
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>>100103808

>even 3DPD
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>>100104062
I disagree. The Nisekoi manga is shitty because it is generic, filled with clichés and the story is diluted with way too many girls.

If Shinbo had adapted Nisekoi honestly, the results would be very mediocre. And so he literally overloaded the adaptation with tropes, adding familiar tropes like toast-in-mouth even when there wasn't any of that shit in the original manga. The result is ironic, witty, funny and SHAFT-esque. Shinbo has preserved the original plot of the manga while adding his own unique twist to the artstyle, and that is why I adore him so much. You can hate Shinbo, yes, but you can't say he isn't creative.
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>>100103723
Ah, you was speaking compared o China, well yeah. Anyway their pop industry is completely handled by the state to pander western audience.
At least, Japanese main target is still Japanese people, and the recent "Cool Japan" thing is made pushing Japanese style, not copying Western style. For example, moe is shit but it's something original. K-pop is simply American music sung in Korean.
Korean comics copy Japanese style without introducing any innovation.
Koreans must work a lot to be more creative.
Japan must change its target: no otaku anymore, but coming back to appeal Japanese larger fanbase. Pandering to Western people isn't the solution or you'll lose what made Japanese production so peculiar.
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>>100104235
>I disagree. The Nisekoi manga is shitty because it is generic, filled with clichés and the story is diluted with way too many girls.
You are retard. The main quality of Nisekoi is that its "generic". This is why its popular in the first place, it is what market demands.

Its not White Album for fuck sake, its neverending romcom like Ranma, School Rumble, TLR, Hayate. The point of it is gags. What you call "fillers" are proper comedy chapters.

Complaining about them is as complaining about Gintama having too little "story" chapters - retarded.
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>>100104038
See >>100104323
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>>100103694
Not even America uses Liberal or Conservative correctly
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>>100104235
>If Shinbo had adapted Nisekoi honestly, the results would be very mediocre. And so he literally overloaded the adaptation with tropes, adding familiar tropes like toast-in-mouth even when there wasn't any of that shit in the original manga. The result is ironic, witty, funny and SHAFT-esque. Shinbo has preserved the original plot of the manga while adding his own unique twist to the artstyle, and that is why I adore him so much. You can hate Shinbo, yes, but you can't say he isn't creative.

If any other studio adapted nisekoi, the result would be glorious. JC Staff, A-1, Xebec - are all proficient in such things, and would not disappoint. SHAFT on other hand? They already ruined Negima, now they got another popular shounen manga at their disposal to ruin.
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>>100104323
>compared o* China
to
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>moeshit
I guess it's morning time already.
>OP post
Oh boy, it's quite hilarious considering how 80's and 70's has quite a lot similar designs, so much that you can easily tell when show was made.
All this "big names" talking sounds like a lot about how anime is not so mainstream as they want it to be, but you know, being mainstream means more money.
This is quite ironic that people like this complaining about respect and popularity when you all need to do is doing propaganda and mass public demans, "respect" my ass, it's all the same shit.
>>100103808
You are not quite logical my friend, because when everything can be moe, there's no "moeshit" aka something you don't like.
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>>100104332
TLR had great fanservice while School Rumble was genuinely funny. What does Nisekoi offer? Filler can be interesting but Nisekoi's fillers are bland as fuck. It is a romcom that is neither romantic nor funny.
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>>100104377
How was medaka box?
Did shaft ruined it?
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>>100104039
>this only happened in the 90ths.

What?
No, man, you're wrong. The 90s were shit.
You don't know Japanese animation history very well.
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>>100104452

New Gainax did Medaka Box.
And yes, it was ruined.
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>>100104452
Medaka box was Gainax. Opposte to Nisekoi, that show would likely benefit from being made by SHAFT.
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>>100103080
>rucky shit
He was kicked out after ep.4 IIRC. That one is not entirely his fault.
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>>100103521
you have got to be kiddingj is that hentai dressed as ecchi pf Seikon no quazer.
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>>100103893
>What made so great Japanese animation and comics was its own peculiar style.
There's no "style" for anime and manga, they all have different purpose, retards like you seems to generalize everything they saw and complain when something is not going according to that delusion, quite funny I must say.
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>>100104332
>The main quality of Nisekoi is that its "generic"

How is this a good thing?
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>>100104603
I thought it was a show that only has girls in it
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>>100103893
>What made so great Japanese animation and comics was its own peculiar style.
That's exactly what everything you hate would be, everything that is opposite to the west.
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>>100104039
japanese studios have been working with other companies since the 70s, look at the hobbit adaption
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>>100104039

This is bullshit. Are you American?
For fuck sake, what about all the robot series, majokko, shojo, school comedies, kodomo, etc.
Tatsunoko and the Time bokan, Studio Pierrot with Creamy Mamy and Co., Toei Animation with Candy Candy and Co, Tokyo Movie Shinsha with Lady Georgie, etc.
Man. Seriously. Japanese animation was huge during the 70s and the 80s. And not for their few co-productions with Western companies. Yeah, few if compared with their own only Japanese productions.
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>>100103274
It depends on what you do.

There's a very fine line you have to walk in China. If you criticise the Government, you will either be censored or harassed.

>political and ideological themes like Gundam or Code Geass
Themes like peace, war, oppression and colonialism?

The Party would allow that so long as you make sure you're not criticising the Ruling Party and if you make the enemy the Japanese, you'll get a pat on the back. Wuxia Dramas about corrupt kingdoms being overthrown are a staple of TV.

The main problem with Chinese industries is
1. The local production crews are weak compared to Government TV HQ
2. Government TV Kingdom is only interested in pumping out Civil War or Sino-Japanese War Dramas. Take America's obsession with WW2 multiply it by 20 and imagine WW2 dramas on every channel and you'll have China
3. Production companies have two priorities. Making sure their works are government approved so they play it safe and making it big. If you're a tv producer, you'll probably make a talent show. If you're a animator, you'll just make a show for kids.
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WuG isn't moe.
There is one character that could be considered moe but she's based on real life meido cafe waitresses, so that could also be considered realistic.
The show by itself and all the characters with the exception of that one isn't moe
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Yamakan is the biggest hack in all of anime.
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>>100104618
>There's no "style"

I'm not retard, I know there are tons of different styles in Japanese animation, but since I was a kid I could distinguish Japanese cartoons from Western cartoons immediately because of their peculiar animation, moods, character design and storytelling. I'm 33 years old and I watch anime since I was born. I saw basically everything, since Italy imported more Japanese cartoons than American cartoons, I think.
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>>100104772
>WuG isn't moe.
You need to learn what moe is before deciding things like that.
In fact, it doesn't matter if you think it's not moe, it's personal feeling, not something you can describe.
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>>100104971
Then nothing can be considered moe
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/mu/ here.

What's with all the le defener threads here on /a/?

We kicked out all nostalgiafags from our board. Why aren't you doing the same?
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>>100105042
>Crossboarding

Fuck off.
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>>100105035
That would be your personal opinion, just like everything we do on this board.
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>>100104736

Anon, are you kidding? I'm this guy >>100104916

I only dislike the current moe obsession, but Japanese animation is huge, and it had its own peculiarity even before the moe wave.
Now it's "cute girls doing cute things", before you had actual plot and very good ones.
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>>100105104

No, i'm serious.

Why aren't you banning nostalgiafags?

We kicked dad rockers, rap haters, redditors, anti-pop circlejerkers & etc. from our board. Why aren't you doing the same thing?
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>>100103989

Because they are idiots.
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>>100105151
>Now it's "cute girls doing cute things", before you had actual plot and very good ones.
Are we 2007? again? no wait, I saw this a lot in 2010.
Stop this nonsense, moe is not genre with no plot, it has nothing to do with it, and it's not new thing.
I thought we already explain this a lot of many times enough so people would finally be more educated.
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>>100105151
>I only dislike the current moe obsession
>implying they arent the cure to the haremshit and LN trash cancer
Also modern anime > old anime. Take off your nostalgia googles grandpa.
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>>100105339
ive only gotten into hokuto no ken recently
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>>100105234
Because the Mods on /a/ are faggots
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>>100102897
Pretty sure that sameface idol anime is going to be a more realistic representation and self criticism of the idol and otaku culture.
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Psychological trauma/drama/horror shows (Paranoia Agent, NGE, Boogiebop Phantom, Serial Experiments Lain)
CUHRAZY over-the-top action (FLCL, Kyosougiga, TTGL)
Buffed-up MANLY shounen/seinen anime
Sports and gambling

Anime can do much more than moeshit
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>>100105234
Then why is /mu/ still so fucking terrible?
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>>100105323
>>100105339

Both of you: meh. I bet your first anime was Pokemon or Dragon Ball or Yu-gi-oh. Maybe Heidi, because America imported some meisaku for sure.
I bet, for example, you never watched this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWXjGzdOpkM
Hilary is only the damn name chosen by Italian adaptation, her real name is Hikari.
Look at the quality of animation. The amazing art style. It was shojo-romance-sport.
It wasn't harem shit or cute girls doing cute things. It showed realistically how this girl worked to realize her dream. And no fanservice, no forced cuteness. She was cute in a natural way.
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>>100104603

That isn't a real sentence.
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>>100105754
And TONS, tons of girls in Italy started rhythmic gymnastics because of this anime. There were anime in every channel, basically at every hour in Italy during the 80s. It was the golden age of anime and some anime could get also millions of viewers.
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>>100103598
Are you fucking retarded?
He made Kannagi in 2008 after he left KyoAni.

He's credited in Haruhi 2009 it's a fucking reairing of season 1 + some new episodes.
He has nothing to do with E8.
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>>100106095
>He's credited in Haruhi 2009 because it's a fucking reairing of season 1
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>Not ONLY because we want to suppress our personnel costs
Fixed

Of course it's because you shitlords pay no money for this health destroying work.
Just introduce KyoAni's treatment of animators to the entire industry, and it's saved.
Retards like that faggot need to go away. He doesn't care for animators. He is just a snobbish Kyoto University graduate who couldn't be creative even if his goddamn worthless life depended on it.
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>>100105234
>kicking rap-haters
I always knew /mu/ was shit.
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>>100105339
>moe
>better than LN adaptations
>better than harems
Shirley you must be joking.
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>>100106263
>Just introduce KyoAni's treatment of animators to the entire industry, and it's saved.
As much as I'd love that, I just don't think all the studios make enough money for that.

Maybe if Amniplex let go of Shafts balls they could too.

>>100106412
>LN haremshit romcoms set in a high school with some cunt main girl who always wins, with every show reusing the same shitty cliches and generic non character development
>Better than anything
No.
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Cybernella
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ6c9jO-ViA
Very, very old (anime of the 70s).
This was so damn sad. She only wished to be a normal girl, but she was half robot because his father saved her this way, since she was dying because of a car accident.Not one of my fav anime, but only another example of anime with complex stories, even if the target were kids. No fanservice, no bullshit. No sameface syndrome.
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>>100106462
>>Better than anything
Never said that.
>high school with some cunt main girl who always wins, with every show reusing the same shitty cliches and generic non character development
You just described 90% of moe shows. Congratulations!
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>>100106512

Toriton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHseeIlmZc0
So fucking awesome.
Also when they were anime for kids, they had complex plots, unlike American cartoons.
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>>100106755
>Osamu Tezuka
but specially
>Yoshiyuki Tomino


And it was an anime for kids. Man.
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Yeah anime has been in decline for a long time now, we all know it. Probably since the mid 2000s. I only watch a few shows per season nowadays.
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>>100106755

Glass no Kamen (version of the 80s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oECvUYV8Cno
Damn, look at the character design. No sameface syndrome. Look at the high quality animation. Beautiful shojo. Italian girls were in love with it. So passional plot.
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>>100106657
>Never said that.
>>100106412
>moe
>better than LN adaptations
>better than harems
Yes you did.
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>>100107340
A lot of the series you're posting are all based off popular manga. Honestly, anime would be 1000x better if they just adapted some good manga for once (there're still plenty) instead of generic fanservice-ridden manga/LN bullshit all the time.
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>>100107393
Learn some comprehension, faggot.
Same level != better
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>>100107340
>Shingo Araki

RIP sensei.
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>>100107495
>Learn comprehension
Then you should have said "They're the same shit." not
>Better
Do you know how implications work, you retard?
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>>100107453
>A lot of the series you're posting are all based off popular manga.

Also when they weren't based off popular manga, they were better than your average moe anime today. Also this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Fn-OuWL_k
So oniric.
I'm showing to that guy who thinks Japanese started to produce their own animation only during the 90s that he is is so wrong. Totally wrong.
I'm lucky to be Italian, talking about anime.
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>>100107453
>instead of generic fanservice-ridden manga/LN bullshit all the time.
But what about the otaku bucks you get from merchandising!
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>>100103173
But it is not.
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>>100107836
And this was so better than Naruto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnAeGMIxOQo
It was produced in 1968, of course the animation isn't great, but the plot...amazing.
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>>100107678
>implying "x isn't better than y" means "y is better"
Way to go, asshat.
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>>100108273
In Italy we sometimes kept the original openings and endings, like this case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SgCRwRCe9I
I loved this anime, not a masterpiece but really fun.
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>>100108574
Yes, when you phrase it like you did, that's what it means.
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>>100108666
>telling me what my own post means
Fuck off.
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>>100103175
>>He was influenced by Disney, but he created a completely new and fresh style

lolwut

Tezuka's works, especially Astro Boy, look just like Walt Disney's Silly Symphony cartoons, just with worse animation because they were made for TV and not film.
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>>100108723
>Telling me what words in the English language mean
Finish school.
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>>100108576

Lalabel, one of the older majokko series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h3W66NZUrk
So cute. ;_;
See, these anime were suitable for all the family. My parents watched them with me. They were mainstream, everyone remember them basically. Now most of anime is for a small niche, the otaku, who like weird perversions who also your ordinary Japanese person finds disgusting. For this reason the anime industry is dying.
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>>100108955

Please. He created tons of genres.
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>>100102751
Why does he always look so classy?
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>>100109204
Saving is done in style
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>>100108955
Kimba > Disney's The Lion King
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7kNMql6TlE
Tezuka created so many different kind of stories, man.
Also this is by Tezuka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_xtVMuyufA
I really can't image Disney making a comedy about a playboy vampire.
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Anime wont exists in 50 years
We´ve known this for a while
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"Cool Japan" flopped because it depended on ACG.
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>>100102751
>Yamamoto said
it doesn't matter what someone says, only statistic can be slightly trusted and what most can be trusted is what we see with our own eyes.
Anime still being made, studios still produce anime, and people still watch/buy those anime. How has the bubble bursted when there are still a dozen anime made each season?
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>>100104235
>You can hate Shinbo, yes, but you can't say he isn't creative.
He's a one trick pony.
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>>100109653
Japanese animation didn't need "Cool Japan" in the first place. It was great before this concept was even thought.
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>>100109497
After WW3 there will be a surge yet again. The whole world needs some war so we can have a peacefull golden age again.
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>>100109497

I hope this won't happen, because I grew up with Japanese amazing stories. I only want they stop this moe wave, because anime were so various, now they seem all the same shit without any plot.
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i don't care as long as they keep producing cute girls and tits anime
really
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>>100109992
Cant see it not happening.
All attemps of getting more normalfag appeal failed, normals are not going to buy animation no matter how good it is (unless its for their kids).
The current situation of pandering to degenerates selling disks for $80 is the only way anime is still alive.
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>>100106891
This.
Or maybe Im getting old, Im not sure honestly, all those shows /a/ is orgasming about lately do nothing for me.
Is there an anime community with older members (30+)?
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>>100110256
/m/
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>>100109447
The Lion King is better.
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>>100105042
>We kicked out all nostalgiafags from our board. Why aren't you doing the same?
We did, pretty much. They have some islands here and there though.
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>>100110256
>>>/ann/
>>>/animesucky/
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>>100110475
No, its just that /a/ wont talk about nothing else other than current airing anime, only exception are series with crazy fanbase like oreimo or with mass appeal like madoka.

There is nothing to talk about in a show from 5+ years ago, not even those that like it could make a proper thread.
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>>100110256
Watch films, they are better. I feel the same. In fact I feel like /a/ is full of kids.
>Which girl would you fuck?xD
>best girl thread!
>I want to fuck her!
It's like majority people here have really nothing interesting to say.

Watch films but don't go to /tv/. It's not that different from /a/. Maybe I'm getting too old for 4chan.
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ITT WHERE IS MY DARK SHADING OF ANIMES WITH ACTUAL BUDGET
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>>100110547
I guess that means /a/ is the best Im gonna find and that thought is depressing.
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>>100103343
That's movie special
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>>100110595
Good idea, I never seriously got into movies. Ill look into it.
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>>100110449

No. Kimba's clone.
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Im only hanging around here until eva 4 airs.
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>>100110167
Japanese must have more children so animation can be mainstream again.
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>>100105234
And I wonder why /mu/ is a shithole. Also fuck off
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>>100110802
Japanese children only like doraemon and pokemon
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>>100110961
When I was a child, many Japanese anime for kids had complex plots though (I'm over 30).
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>>100105234
And yet /mu/ is still feels threads central.
The sharethreads are still good.
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