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Alright /a/, I think this whole power chart system needs revamping. There are a lot classifications and not much actual categorisation. Really there should be categories based on whatever their powers actually do, such as:
>Raw physical power or Magical power/Reality warping
>Scale/Range of effect
>Defensive capacity vs Offensive capacity
>Notes on otherwise non-standard power (control over minds/souls/meta, etc.)
All these things could make it a whole lot tidier and concise. Any thoughts?
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>Yuki
>Above Accel or any top tier index character

No
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>>100102345
there's so many things wrong in this chart that I don't even want to start

holy shit
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Goku > Gabriel.

ahahah no.
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>>100102415
Yuki's FTL, could steal universal scale reality warping powers, has reality warping herself, etc. Don't be an idiot.

>Too high
>Misogi
>Izzard

Vash should be higher.
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>>100102539

Is dis nigger
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We had one of these just the other week. Use that chart.
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Alucard
Flash
Cirno

You're welcome.
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>>100102574
It doesn't really matter which chart is used for this, using the new categories would put them all in new positions anyway.
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>>100102529
SS3 Goku would kill everything in ToAru. Super Sayian God form is overkill.

Bernkastel shouldn't be so much higher than Battler. It's like the people who formed the chart didn't watch/read the material.
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>>100102345
TTGL, much less STTGL should be higher than Z.

Taking out entire fleets, teleporting around, manipulating probability is all on Chouginga GL's level.
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>>100102663

>SS3 Goku would kill everything in ToAru

all my sides
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>ort
>weaker then aiwass or crowley
>crowley
>equal to aiwass

what the fuck
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>Kumagawa's position
>Not at the top or the bottom
What the fuck? Kumagawa can even make Demonbane a [non-existence], even though he would still lose
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>even listing Kakine
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>>100102345
>Getter Emperor higher than Gurren Lagann
I'm okay with this.
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>>100102683
ToAru fanwank is everywhere it seems.

>>100102710

Get out.
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>>100102765

How would Goku beat Accel

Enlighten me
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Are we not using the most recent list?
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>>100102629
You should use this one though. Take out Maou, because he's useless. The rest is pretty much good. Kumagawa is in the right spot too
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Tohno Shiki can kill everything.
Everything.
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>>100102782
>Blow planet
>watch as he suffocates

Or, he could probably just punch at him so hard that the air around them is pushed away. Repeat for a few minutes until Accel falls.
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>>100102782

With a Kamehameha. Now I'll wait for you to go on how Accelerator can reflect a blast that can destroy the planet multiple times over.
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>>100102667
Doesn't it take more energy to just destroy two light hawk than to destroy a universe? And Z had five. He could also just erase things from space, like the Moon and half the Earth.
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>>100102861
>>100102856

He reflects it
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>>100102663
Friendly reminder these charts are not "who could beat who" charts.
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>>100102845
Even Accelerator?
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>Phisical power
Subtle.
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>Izzard
>Above Anyone
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>>100102911
Especially Accelerator
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>>100102938
No.
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>>100102894
He reflects the lack of air?
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>>100102815

Because it's shit?

Alucard is way too high, Evangeline is too high, Medaka is too high, etc. Who makes this shit?
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This shit is something capefags like to wank over. Why would you compare characters from different series whose universes work differently?
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>>100102911
I don't see why not.
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heresy
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>>100102845
What about the Flash?
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>>100102856

>Repeat for a few minutes until Accel falls.

Oh so is this the world were Accel stands still and lets himself be killed
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Where's demonbane
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>>100103018

Right at the top.
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>>100102841
I like how FRESH and Ajimu are in the special tier.

>>100102841
Why is Kumagawa and Ajimu swapped? Kumagawa always loses and Ajimu is stronger than anyone else in the list.
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>>100103005
Kill the speed force
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>>100102912
Then what are they?
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Why isn't Shiki at the top
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>>100103055
someone should make a crosssover with /co/ for this list.
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>>100103016
No, that's not an issue since Goku can dodge anything Accel throws at him. Even stuff like the wings that come from every direction is useless since Goku can use Instant Transmission.

Kite and keep punching so hard the air can't stay in the area, keep going out real quick for own breathing and come back faster than Accel can react.
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>>100103071

Because he/she isn't strong. at ciel level.
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>>100103093
But 99% of these characters are above God level.
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>>100103051
So what's Shishime's ability? I know Ajimu has basically every power or something, but I checked a chapter once, and he just one-shotted her.
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>>100103051
It's because Kumagawa is a reality warper, but can't win. See >>99584691 and >>99585315 from the last thread. I'd rather not see this thread devolve into another Medaka Box shitfight thtough
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>>100103103

...

What

Are you high?
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>>100102663
How would you classify piece-Battler?
He's got anti magic toxin that makes him unable to observe anything magical. That's pretty hax.
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>>100103148
You don't seem to comprehend the vast difference in physical performance between those two.

Accel is just too slow.
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>>100103128
there are God level characters on /co/, you know(like the Thoughts Robot). I t should be interesting.
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What's so special about that tenchi guy
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>>100102841
Alright, if no one has any better ideas, I'm gonig to start making some changes to this one.

For the time being I'll try and divide them into those using raw force and those who use special/magical power to get shit done.
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>>100103191

He doesn't need to be fast

He'll just up and leave since Goku can't do anything to him
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>>100103132
Not affected by any skill, strong as fuck, he is a spirit, so even if he dies he gets a new body and his damage is irreversible.
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>>100102815

>phisical

jesus fucking christ my autism is acting up again, please fix that shit.
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Why is ORT on there when we have no real means of measuring his capabilities?
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>>100103236
He can't leave, Goku is faster and even if he was on the same level, Goku still has Instant Transmission.

Slow suffocation, what a way to go.
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>>100103305

Accel just draws in air from further away

Since he can control wind flow
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>>100102539
vash a shit
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>>100102345
Umineko's witches are way too high, Othinus should be higher, Goku is a joke, Dio should be lower.
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>>100103163

Yes. Remember Battler also reminded Bern what pain was and she just throwing and eating Big Bangs and Big Crunches back to back. Not only is Battler immune to universal scale magic, millions (understatement) of times FTL, he punches harder than Big Crunches. And survived pic related.
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>>100103108
I think he meant, Ryougi.
If so she's special since her third personality can do anything.
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>>100103225
First feat, wrecked a battle spaceship with awesome shields with one strike of his sword.

Second feat, walked out of a black hole while carrying three girls.

Most important feat, Is actually God. Got killed, it only mildly bothered him and he used it as a chance to go back in time and seduce a loli version of the first villain. Slapped the three goddess' who made all of reality on their asses and then made out with the Counteractor who is basically the devil.
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>>100103338
So Goku punches harder and pushes it away at a rate faster than Accel can draw it in.
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>apocalyptic creatures, fucked up shit, cool characters fighting for places in the bottom
>innocent looking high school students/teenagers in the top

Someone fix this shit, /co/ laugh at us.
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>>100103305

Don't argue with idiots. He thinks Accel can reflect an energy blast from Goku, a man who can blow up planets. That's fanwank common sense can't cure.
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>>100103400
>can do anything.
Except beating Servant in fight
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Too much Raildex, limit to 1 per franchise and maybe this can be not completely shit.
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>>100103463
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>>100103457

Do you have any proof Accel can't?
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>>100103400
Third personality

> Her third personality, 「 」, can be said to be directly connected to Akasha, and she can even be called Akasha itself. While Shiki can see it with her Mystic Eyes, she can go even deeper, connecting to where all cause and effect begin and everything and nothing exist. She claims the ability to do anything she wishes, as being connected to it makes her an equivocal existence. She claims restructuring the laws governing atomic matter, going back in time to change the evolution and development of all life, and reconstructing the orders and laws of the world would be easy for her to accomplish. It is not actually changing the existing world, but instead annihilating the old one with a new reality.

> Despite this claimed ability, her combat ability is only possibly around the level of Ciel, allowing her to manage a defensive fight against a being on the level of a Servant. While still much stronger than the regular Shiki, who holds no hope in even competing with a Servant defensively, it is unknown how her abilities work and the speed with which they take effect should she choose to utilize them. She is noted to be the second strongest being in the Nasuverse when not including Servants, under Arcueid Brunestud and above Primordial Demons.

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Shiki_Ryougi
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>>100103463
Wouldnt work as the most powerful person in Raildex is only theoretical as we can only assume he is powerful but has never actually demonstrated a thing.
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>>100103537
>Kaiji
nice epic i like it
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>>100103417

Still has utter shit tier design.
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What are Eve and Lilith (the little girls with the eye hats) from?
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>>100103462
You're talking about normal Shiki.
Void Shiki is a superior being.
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>>100102930
Reality warping.
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>>100103537

> Anything above Tenchi and Demonbane

No.
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>>100103389
Yeah but all that hax stuff happens in the meta world. What about piece Battler's magic resistance? Can he stand up to the likes of the nasuverse or to aru verse?
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>>100103518

Burden of proof is on you. Got any proof I haven't fucked your mother? Debating doesn't work that way, I hope you realize that and will grow up to learn how to formulate proper arguments.
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>>100102841
>Izayoi
>above Arc
Nope. He should be about at Maou's level.
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>>100103585
>>100103540

She still has limits regardless of what personality.
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>>100103638

>Got any proof I haven't fucked your mother?
>Tells me to grow up
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>>100103518
It's not a matter of surviving the blast anymore, but a matter of surviving the lack of a planet.

Goku can just go chillax on another planet with instant transmission.
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>>100103626
It's a joke.
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>>100103702

His point about the burden of proof is correct, regardless of his immaturity.

>>100103722

Oh
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>>100103718

He reflects it into space
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>>100103635

They wouldn't be able to do anything to him, not even the two Shiki. He's above their weight class. Golden Longsword would cut through anything and everything. Except perhaps the actual Akasha, but that shit doesn't count.
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>>100103585
Nasu said that she can put only defensive fight agains Servants
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>>100103771
So Goku fires two planet busters at the same time in different directions.
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>>100103578
Yamibou, the hat's the original omnipotent god who created Lilith. The two then created Eve. Both of them are stronger than Adam.
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>>100103798

And he reflects them into space
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>>100103807
Is it good?
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>>100103669
You are just assuming things, and since she can rewrite physical laws she can do anything she wants.
Physical strength is not her forte, but you can't judge a character by his strength alone.
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>>100103850

Which is why she is in the special tier. end of argument.
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>>100103841
You can watch the anime, the game's untranslated
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>>100103780
Void Shiki can kill concepts though. I think she'd be able to fight against Battler even when he's some sort of meta being.
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>>100103830
2 planet busters + Instant Transmission to other side of globe + 2 plant busters again?
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>no Hitotsubashi Yurie
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>>100103882
What is special tier supposed to be?
You should put them in a certain position.
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>>100103894

...

You don't seem to understand this
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>>100103635
>Nasuverse
The powerlevel there is pretty low. It#s mostly about concepts and compatibility.
>To Aru
The strongest character known to us is probably Aiwass, but it's only theorized as he hasn't really done shit yet outside of OHKOing Accel and not giving a fuck about the universe ending,.
The strongest we have proof of is Othinus, as she control time, destroy and create universes. Not sure how Battller would work with that as magic in Index is different from the one in Umineko.
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could touma punch battller?
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>>100103389
There is a very, very strong mistaking here in some part of the fanon. Though it is very clear in the VN, some people are obviously confused, and this confusion is found everywhere on the net. Let me help you understand what the VN tries to say to you in this scene (and what, obviously, you didn't understand).

Battler should not have been able to fight Bern in equal footing. In fact, he should have been annihilated with all but a thought. When he punches Bern, Bern doesn't understand at first what is happening, but then Featherine explain it very clearly (but obviously not clearly enough, again).

Bern thought the game between her and Battler was finished. Then, Battler would have been free of the protection offered by the rules of the metagame, and would have been only a spirit she could destroy easily. Unfortunately for her, Featherine explain that the game was NOT finished and still lingering. Bound by the rules of the game, the only way for Bern to defeat Battler here was to use blue truths and red truths, the weapons authorized by the game.

Why people would be confused by a so clear narrative is beyond me, but anyway, you're cleared.
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>>100103923
Then explain?
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>>100103887

Umineko is all about conceptual bullshit, my friend. At best Void Shiki can destroy a universe. Battler's Golden Longsword > Willard's, which destroyed a universe. Golden Longsword was cutting up shit that could no-sell Willard's sword.

End of Series Battler is a multiversal being, so no. Survived the creation/destruction of multiple universes at once.
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>>100104053
Reflected in to space.
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What would happen if Touma punched Demonbane?
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>>100104083
But he's not there, he's dealing with the two others already.
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>>100104093
Toumas hand would broken.
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>>100103894
>>100103798
>>100103718
>>100103457
DID ANY OF YOU FUCKS EVEN WATCH INDEX OR BETTER YET UNDERSTAND WHAT "VECTOR MANIPULATION" MEANS?
YOU KNOW IMMOVABLE OBJECT EINSTEIN TALKED ABOUT?
YEAH?
THATS ACCELERATOR YOU LITTLE SHITS
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>>100104093
Demonbane disappears. Touma realizes he's living his live incorrectly and becomes Demonbane.

Demonbane wins.
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>>100104112
They were already reflected in to space.
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>>100104141
ur moms an unmovable object and my dick is an unstoppable force
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>>100104043

Wait, what's your point?

He was beating the shit out of her, indisputable fact. My only point. Bern is still > Battler, though.
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Alright, I've moved some around for the first categories. Obviously things might be out of place, but they'll be modified.

For the next step, the arrangement should be: characters which focus more on raw power will be further right of the axis, whilst those more focused on mystic power will be further to the left. Those who use both will be closer to the middle.

Please feel free to suggest who should go where on the X axis, and which side of the Y axis they should be on. Where they should be on the Y axis can wait until everything else is fixed.
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>>100104141
But Goku isn't attacking Accel, he's attacking the surroundings.
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>>100104154
But not the ones that are hitting the earth.
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>>100104192
What the point of over complicating the chart? Not fucking saved.
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>>100104192
why did you remove my addition?
>>100103537
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>>100103935
>Not sure how Battller would work with that as magic in Index is different from the one in Umineko.
Battler practically has a super souped up version of Imagine Breaker that surrounds his area of influence. That'd be hard to beat.
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>>100104237
There were reflected in to space.
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Shouldn't EVA-01 be on the chart?
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>>100104192
>Izayoi stronger than accel
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>>100104317
No, because that was all Gendos doing but he cant be on the chart because smarts and ability to get pussy is not a power level.
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>>100104334
>anyone
>stronger than accel
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>>100103983
Battler takes steroids and works out. Depending on Touma's luck Battler might also be in possession of a Winchester rifle.
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>>100104378
>implying he shouldn't be in the special category under Pussy Magnet
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>>100104176
He was only beating the shit out of her because they were both pulled back to the same powerlevel by the rules of the game. In this fight, Battler did not gain in power. He did not gain multiversal power in any way, did not gain a supreme defence or some other bullshit power. He shouldn't have been able to survive even one nanosecond against Bernkastel.

People take that scene as proof that end of series Battler is able to (at least) fight Bern in equal footing and/or divert universe scale conceptual attacks. It's false. End of the story. If you take that scene as a basis for your proofs that Battler is overpowered, you're deluded and wrong.
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>>100104391
>Aiwass
>Not stronger than accel
Sure accel is powerful, but not that fucking powerful, there are certain things that he can't defeat
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What is blond Jojos power again and why is he supposed to be stronger than planet spanning robots and humaniod planet busters, only bested by actual gods?
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>Accelerator
>Is countered by stopping your punches before you hit him
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>>100104262
Isn't his basically a "I don't believe this mystical shit barrier"? How would it work against Index magic, when it's actual Reality Warping? IB doesn't even negate magic, but instead resets the warped reality to it's initial state because it's an object that cannot be influenced by anything that goes against the true laws of physics and spreads it's influence to anything it touches..
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>>100104248
>>100104192
That. Not fucking saved. And then Yuki's still too high, faggot.
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Why's Tenchi Demonbane tier strong?
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>>100104437
I dont know. Accelerator is much stronger now then when he first faced Aiwass and at the time he was under duress. He may be stronger than Aiwass at this point. But I dont personally think anyone deserves to be above Touma on any Index chart.
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>>100104081
Sorry my bad, Shiki can already kill concepts but Void Shiki is connected to Akasha which is a multiversal thing and that practically means she'd be on equal footing with Battler.
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>>100102345
Why is Demonbane at the top? It is weaker than Lord of Nightmares.
Now, I'm not familiar with all of he source material regarding Demonbane, but here is what I understand:
- Demonbane can do anything.
- Demonbane can summon all other Demonbanes from infinite parallel universes and from its own timeline to help it.

Herein lies the problem. If all of the infinite Demonbanes get together, then can one of them destroy the other ones? If yes, then Demonbane can't do anything because it can't stop itself being destroyed by another Demonbane and it can't destroy a Demonbane. Thus you demonstrate a limit in power.
If instead you were to consider the infinite Demonbanes to be classed as a single entity then at most its potential is infinity minus one, because I know that in one timeline of Demonbane there is at least one instance where the thing isn't a God.

Lord of Nightmares is Omnipotent. Demonbane is at best, Omnipotent-1.

I don't know anything about Tenchi at all
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Why is Alucard so low?
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>>100104502
Same reason LON is. Tenchi is the supreme god of the Tenchi verse. They are actually very similar.
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>>100104462

He blocks reality warping, too. That falls under Umineko's form of magic. He blocks everything that can be considered magic in Umineko at the universal scale. Endless Nine.
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>>100104504
Accel could even beat Aleister if he wants to.
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>>100104521
I got your back bro
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>>100104568
wut. no. Accel can't handle magic.
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>>100104568
Thats only theoretical. As far as we know Aleister is Gendo Teir and is just smart with no real abilities of his own.
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Shrike > your shitty characters
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>>100104427

Proof? Bern wouldn't be getting her ass beat unless Battler was capable of doing so. You're wrong.
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>>100104594
>Accel can't handle magic.
What?
I thought he became an angel and can reflect magic normally
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>>100104601
No, he's confirmed as having powers in the books. I forget which one, but at some point he cuts off someone's hair as a show that he could have killed them if he wanted so they better stop backsassing him. He's summoned Aiwass, and wrote a number of Grimoires.
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>>100104665
White wing Accell was only once in WW3.
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>>100104665
No, he survives the telesma attack because he's super durable or something. If someone was to do some curse or something that wasn't really vector based like what happens to Tsuchimikado and Styil in Daihansen he wouldn't be able to do anything
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>>100104462
>How would it work against Index magic
Magic doesn't happen around Battler?
Which leads to Battler slapping the magician's shit because he's buff and takes steroids. Unless of course the magician has a gun.
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>>100104521
>Herein lies the problem. If all of the infinite Demonbanes get together, then can one of them destroy the other ones?
Yes. At the same time, there will be a Demonbane that will be capable of beating this Demonbane. It's a paradox of infinity. If you try to use that logic then you can just go on forever.
Demonbane is MADE to be unbeatable and to be capable of killing omnipotents. He already defeated Azatoth, who is a True Omnipotent like LoN. The whole point is that he can summon infinite Demonbanes that can, could and can't exist, meaning that he can also summon a Demonbane that can't do shit to other Demonbanes but has the properties needed to defeat an Omnipotent. His power works based on paradoxes.
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>>100104521

It was created to be unbeatable.
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>>100104909
take that shit off the left side. it's dumb and wrong on many counts
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>>100104909
Even shittier.
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>>100104909
fuck off
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>>100104633
You're trolling, nobody can be this stupid. Did you even understood what I tried to tell you here >>100104043 ? Did you even read that post? For what matter, did you even read Umineko?

Listen, anon. Umineko is a difficult narrative with heavy meta elements. You shouldn't try to make sense of its powerlevels if you're (sorry to say it, but for now you didn't give me any proof of the contrary) stupid. Only misconceptions can sprout when a dumb person tries to make sense of it.

I will say it again in very clear words, I hope. But then, I'm sure you will still not understand correctly.

BERN was pulled down to FISTFIGHTS and COLOURED TRUTH FIGHTS by the virtue of STILL PLAYING Beatrice's game against another player, BATTLER. SHE was (very) SURPRISED at FIRST, then FEATHERINE EXPLAINED that the game was still ON.

The most important words here are PULLED DOWN and FISTFIGHTS. Come on, anon, even you can understand something so easy. I know you're a dumbass, but there's a limit.
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>>100104909

The idea of Tier listing is probably the best way to go but, it doesn't work with how the picture is currently. if you want to use Tiers you have to start from scratch.
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>>100102345
>Special Tier
Wow such unique snowflakes.
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>>100104897
That which is made can be unmade.
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>>100104959
I won't take it off.
>wrong on many counts
Then you'll have to say what they are, or they'll stay that way.
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I know you hate it but this chart needs atleast one of the top tier Toriko characters.

The old folks in this series are atleast near gokus powerlevel and only haven't wrecked their own planet, because it's roughly as big as Jupiter.

Yet one man almost punched it out of it's rotation though he held back a little. And he probably isn't even in the top 3 of that series,
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>>100105017

the only thing stronger than Demonbane is it's author. don't start this argument again we have had it hundreds of times
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>>100104997

>Being pulled down to FISTFIGHTS and COLOURED TRUTH FIGHTS

It still doesn't mean Battler would be able to harm Bern with just his fists. Bound by the rules =/= being Battler's "physical" equal. Are you stupid, by any chance?
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>>100105005
It's a place marker for future reference. If it gets to the point where it needs to be remade from scratch, then that's fine, but it functions for what it needs to do for the time being.
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>>100104755
Would not work against LON or Tenchi. Both of those represent more than Omnipotence they are also existence its self. Demonbane would have to destroy every particle of energy in every one of infinite universes including its self to defeat either. Which is a paradox.
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>>100103983
he could but it would just be a normal punch
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>>100104987
Wow why so hostile buddy? You're gonna make him cry
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Arguing the power levels of Tenchi, Demonbane and LON is pointless.

Just. Stop. Seriously.
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>>100103417

>walked out of a black hole while carrying 3 girls
>slapped goddesses on the ass

That's some Rance-tier shit right there.
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>>100105145
Just like his usual punches then.
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>>100102345
could someone explain why hao is so low? he's straight up omnipotent
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>>100104462
>IB doesn't even negate magic, but instead resets the warped reality to it's initial state because it's an object that cannot be influenced by anything that goes against the true laws of physics and spreads it's influence to anything it touches..
Powerwise Battler's Endless Nine magic resistance is better than Imagine Breaker since gods in Umineko have a nine digit level resistance while Battler's is unquantifiable.
This leads to E9 practically having infinite magic negation rate within its area of influence which explains why Battler doesn't ever witness magic and why he's able to resist Beatrice's Endless Magic.

I think it could even beat the Invisible Thing sealed by IB.
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>>100105277
His mom slapped him.
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>>100105359
he's still literally god, he has limitless reality warping powers
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The whole powerlevel thing is bullshit. There is never a most powerful character - just because a character is more powerful than another doesn't necessarily mean they'd always win.

Demonbane may be able to transcend reality and whatnot but that doesn't mean he's invincible. If him and Kami Tenchi were to fight to the death there'd be a 50/50 ratio, NOT a guaranteed win.
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>>100105398
that's why they are on the same level tardlet.
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Heres the thing. Demonbane exists inside of a universe while Tenchi and LON are the universe. Which no matter how many times you write "my mecha can do anything!" It wont change the fact that mechanically, its inferior and should be lowered to being Omnipotent -1.
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>>100105307
>which explains why Battler doesn't ever witness magic
At least according to the fantasy perspective which I'll be using for Battler in this thread.
The other explanation why he doesn't witness magic is because magic doesn't exist.
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>>100105044
Yuki isn't multi universal, neither is Lain, or Giovanna, to my knowledge. They're all just normal universal reality warpers in some way.
Battler is multiversal, as is Aiwass and alternate reality Haruhi. That's just looking at the far left. It's a dumb ranking, doesn't clarify anything, and is wrong. Keep it on your chart if you want, but no one's saving it.
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>>100105495

Demonbane > Azathoth
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>>100105389
His mom slapped him, bro.
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Why isn't Nirvash+Quartzgun on this list? That thing kills you so hard, your parents might never even have been born.
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>>100105555
>Yuki isn't multi universal, neither is Lain, or Giovanna, to my knowledge. They're all just normal universal reality warpers in some way.
Lain and Giovanna aren't listed as Multiversal, the line represents the bottom of the tier, not the top.
>Battler is multiversal, as is Aiwass and alternate reality Haruhi.
Okay. You've got anything to show for the Aiwass thing?
>That's just looking at the far left. It's a dumb ranking, doesn't clarify anything, and is wrong. Keep it on your chart if you want, but no one's saving it.
I don't really care about people saving it, it's a work in progress and I'm only doing it for my own convenience and anyone else who happens to care enough.
I might call it quits for tonight, I'll probably have another go if the thread is still alive in the morning.
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>>100105555

Yuki's only universal after stealing Haruhi's powers, so it's still off.

Evangeline is too high, she can at best blow up a mountain like Rakan and has absolute zero hax. Bump down the Raildex fags and put her near where Nanoha is.
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>>100104141
Accell also isn't omnipotent. His power is based on "calculations" (let's ignore that the author doesn't know shit about science). Goku can literally read minds and use telepathy. If he really wanted to, he could beat him with a mental attack. Accells vector manipulation tops out at planet manipulation, whereas a punch from Goku could easily be 10 times stronger. Let's not even factor in God energy which is bullshit by DBZ standards.

You really are underestimating what Goku can do at his current powerlevel and how unfair his battle skills are. He should be significantly higher on that list.
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>>100105881
Nope. Metal attacks dont work on Accelerator either. That also gets vectored in to space.
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>>100105881
Accel really isn't about calculations after he gets white wings
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>>100105881
>You really are underestimating what Goku can do at his current powerlevel and how unfair his battle skills are. He should be significantly higher on that list.


The list is only taking SSJ3 into account.
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>>100105881
>whereas a punch from Goku could easily be 10 times stronger.
He'd still be able to deflect that.
Same goes with the mental attack
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>>100105815
it's not like tenchi was never slapped
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>>100105911
And how do you know that?
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>>100104141
It's hilarious how mad this guy over his faggot favorite character with all caps and shit. I'd go further, fucking Krillin can beat your Accelefaggot.
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>>100105825
Aiwass is literally not from the Raildex universe. He's an angel or God of some other universe who comes and is buddy-buddy with Crowley for some reason.

>>100105910
Yes they do. The only reason he didn't fall down in the attack on AC was because he never ran into Vento.
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>>100105860
Okay.
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>>100105947
If I was Tenchi, I would let my mom slap me all day every day, on my naughty ass.
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>>100105971
because the wings do all that for him, and they're magic.
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>>100106005
>Yes they do
But they don't.
A mental attack would imply some form of amplified brainwaves directed at accels brain, he would reflect that
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>>100105910
>>100105911
>>100105937
But he can't deflect it. It's been shown that there's a limit to what he can do. Whatever his power stems from is not infinite, he can only vector so much. You're having him take a punch from a guy who routinely fights galaxy buster enemies. You're literally fanwanking Accell by saying his vectoring has no limits, when actually he can only "vector" so much.

And again, the author doesn't know how vectors actually work, so you can't apply that to God energy.

Honestly Accell has never been shown to be able to handle anything that could wreck the planet 10 times over. And remember, that isn't Gokus finish move, that's just a regular attack.

Accell would be dead before he could even blink.
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>>100106025
why is kissshot powerful at all? she's middling and the only special stuff she has is lel vampire and her sword. she only kills the world because zombies spread.
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>>100106044
So it's still "calculation".
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>>100106005
No. Sorry but you are a moron. And you dont have to run in to Vento to be effected, you have to be against Vento to be effected. Simply talking to someone who is against Vento would bring you under its effect.
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>>100106005
>Aiwass is literally not from the Raildex universe. He's an angel or God of some other universe who comes and is buddy-buddy with Crowley for some reason.
That doesn't really help. Being from a different universe doesn't necessarily mean you can destroy multiverses. The best performance I heard of in Raildex thus far is Othinus destroying one universe, which I heard is still suspect.
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>>100106036
listen here you little shit, I won't have this in my house. Hao is true omnipotent, and that's that.
The entire premise of the show is that shaman king does what he wants, as an omnipotent god. I don't see how he is in any way inferior to the highest tier
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>>100106060
>A mental attack would imply some form of amplified brainwaves directed at accels brain,
You're assuming every character runs on Raildexs' loose definition of what vectors are.

That's your mistake.
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>>100106142
But waves are vectors
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>>100106097
Yes, he can. In to space.
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>>100106103
Well her placement is based primarily on almost destroying the whole of Antarctica by accident just by jumping, so smashing continents should be trivial for her. Everything else is pretty much just icing on the cake.
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>>100106166
>I know how Gokus telepathy works

>>100106167
No he really can't. He has limits that are no where the energy Goku can put out. It's a numbers game and Accell is several orders of magnitiude behind.
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>>100106123
But Accel just doesn't give a shit about her because he doesn't fight her. Meanwhile, I recall him being unable to stop Aiwass's attacks.
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>>100106226
Every single thing has a science behind it, even telepathy.
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>>100106130
Being Omnipotent is not enough to be at the top of the chart. Infact Demonbane should not even be up there. Omnipotent is actually pretty weak compared to LON or Tenchi.
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>>100106259
no, because telepathy is a fictional concept. it doesn't need science behind it
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>maou is on this list
what
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>>100106259
Except, you know, magic telepathy.
>The Force has vectors
>Jedi mind trick has vectors
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>>100106273
But it has to have one.
>>100106301
>>The Force has vectors
Of course it, why the fuck would you call it a force then?
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>>100106289

some random fangirl edited him on the list and nobody has bothered to take him off yet.
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>>100106253
Actually Accelerator was against her as she was there to kill everything he holds dear. The only reason the hounddog guy was unaffected was that he was more than willing to kill everyone in that city other than him self.
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>>100106334
>But it has to have one
Not when the author says it doesn't.
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>>100106259
You're talking about a character who at SSJ3 level can punch holes in spacetime. At Super Buuhan levels, they can lose control and cause a multiuniverse collapse. God only knows what Vegito can do, and not SSJGod Goku is far above that, AND he has a new type of energy that breaks the DBZ rules.

Accell is simply outclasses in every sense of the word. It doesn't matter if he can vector things if the power he draws on is completely dwarfed by his enemy.
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>>100106266
You can't be stronger than Omnipotent, that's the damn definition. If it's stronger than omnipotent, then that "omnipotent" was never omni to begin with.
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>>100106370
But it still has to have one.
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>>100106334
>Of course it, why the fuck would you call it a force then?
You're doing this on purpose, right?
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All you need is a teleporter. Accelerator? Just send a fucking nail into the faggot's head. Well, it wouldn't work on regenerators but you can send them to the fucking space.
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>>100106402
Only in your fanfic.
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>>100106373
>You're talking about a character who at SSJ3 level can punch holes in spacetime.
Has he ever fucking done that?
>>100106413
Maybe, but seriously everything has to have a science behind it, or else it simply wouldn't work
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>>100106394
Yeah, you actually can when you are existence its self.
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>>100106420
Yeah, that plan can not fail!
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>>100106446
>everything has to have a science behind it, or else it simply wouldn't work
It really doesn't, that is the exact nature of fantasy and arguably fiction in general.
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>>100106362
Did you even read the books? At no point does Accelerator meet or even know she exists. She is only there to kill Touma. That's not even right about Kihara. He was unaffected because he literally doesn't give a shit.

>Looking disinterested, she said, “So you tell them to kill me without showing any change of expression. You may have killer intent, but no hostility. You do not even think of your enemy as an enemy, so you feel no guilt. Do you view it the same as pulling up some weeds? First that missile and now this. You really are rotten to the core. At least as much as I am.”
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>>100106420
You don't do this very often, do you?
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>>100106504
She failed because she was a fucking idiot.
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>>100106446
>Has he ever fucking done that?
In DBZ the way things work is "If I'm stronger than you, I can do what you do unless it's a special power specific to your body."

Gotenks and Super Buu both punched a hole in reality. Super Buuhan almost collapsed reality. Goku is leagues above them. He can read minds, breath in space, teleport anywhere instantly, has completely mastered energy control, knows telepathy and has God energy now.

Accell wouldn't even have time to have a complete thought if Goku was trying to kill him.
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>>100106504
she doesn't tele, she moves
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>>100106566
If they're so powerful, why are they so bad on Saltybet?
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>>100106454
no, that doesn't make you more than omnipotent. Omnipotent means you can do things beyond impossible. Hao could undo existence entirely, and survive it, recreate existence, and change what encompasses, defines, and composes existence.
He could just decide that tenchi is not existence, and it would be that way.
It's just a matter of who acts first
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>>100106515
God fucking damnit
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>>100106620
Because people don't realize how fucking broken they are and Saltybet has nothing to do with Toriyama.
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>>100106446
>or else it simply wouldn't work
but telepathy DOESN'T work
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>>100106628
If he was in the Tenchi-verse then his own existence is Tenchi. Tenchi didnt just create the universe, he is the universe.
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>>100106700
THEN HOW COULD IT WORK IF IT DOESNT WORK
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Throw some 2hus up there
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>>100106716
and I'm saying an omnipotent being can act beyond his reality.
if hao was in the tenchi-verse, he could simply stop it from being the tenchi-verse with a thought. that's what it means to be able to do ANYTHING
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>>100106770
It would still be the Tenchi-verse as Hao is part of the Tenchi-verse. He made the mistake to enter someone elses domain. Hao fucked him self over.
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>>100106825
no, that really doesn't mean anything. at all.
He'd simply undo the tenchi-verse, since he can do anything. I already said that, what exactly is your argument? I'm saying he can act beyond the universe he's in. that's what it means to be omnipotent. to do anything.
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>>100106373
Well, Super Buu levels can punch a hole in space time at least, SSJ3 Goku can't since he isn't as strong as SSJ3 Gotenks.
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>>100106938
SSG Goku is at least more powerful though.
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>>100106969
I haven't actually watched BOTG yet, any good subs out? Also is SSG Goku seriously beyond even Vegetto? That's fucking insane considering Vegetto is stupid levels of strong compared to Buuhan. I wish we got to see him go all out at least once.
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Isn't Excalibur the strongest weapon?
Why is Saber so low in ranking? What a shit chart
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>>100106927
No, what Im saying is that being Omnipotent is not enough. Once he becomes part of Tenchis universe he becomes part of Tenchi. His own existence becomes part of Tenchi. Sure he can do what he wants but so long as Hao exists, so does Tenchi. Even if Hao unexisted him self, Tenchi would still exist.

The winner is not he one who acted first, the loser is the one who acted first. As in this course of events. Hao became part of Tenchis universe and thus, acted first.

Thats the difference between creating existence and being existence. And why Hao is not at the top.
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People arguing omnipotence should stop, it just hurts your brain after a while.

Anything truly omnipotent cannot be defeated by anything ever, even stuff like demonbane. You can't overcome something that can do literally anything with less than a thought. Which is why the idea of two omnipotents fighting is stupid, neither would win as both are the most powerful things that could exist, they have identical movesets. Either both would lose or neither would lose.

One thing that can do anything it wants can't be higher or lower than another being that can do anything it wants.
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What happen if Saitama punch demonbane?
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>>100107161
He's a hero/Demonbane, moot point.
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>>100106938
>SSJ3 Goku can't since he isn't as strong as SSJ3 Gotenks.
That's never been canonically stated outside of a powerlevel guide that made no sense that came out years after.

SSJ3 Goku is at least on the same level as Gotenks or SuperBuu, even if there is some discrepancy between them.

And again, SSJGod towers over both of them.
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Where is Dark Awakened Milky Holmes on the chart?
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>>100107150
Speak for your self. I can do this all day.
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>>100107145
no, for fucks sake, what I'm saying is that hao can just decide that tenchi is no longer the universe. His omnipotence is not compromised by being a part of tenchi, in theory he could undo THIS universe as well, including his own mangaka. that's what being omnipotent means, doing anything. He could kill himself and survive it, undo all existence including tenchi while still existing after undoing himself, he could create a rock so big he couldn't lift it, and lift it.
Omnipotence means you can do anything, regardless of any circumstances
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How about Asura?
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>>100107038
>Also is SSG Goku seriously beyond even Vegetto?
Yes. Significantly more powerful.

SSJ1 Goku can blow up stars, he would wreck Accelerator. SSJGod Goku against
Accell is about as fair as Krillin vs Buu.
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>>100107161
saitama punches, things break, no exceptions
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>zeed milenniumon
i tried looking up info on this guy but it's very scarce
how did he end up so high on the list?
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>>100107327
Krillin can beat Accelerator though.
By blowing up his drinks.
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>>100107315
Not really, As I already said, he went to Tenchis realm and that act made him part of Tenchi. In the Tenchi-verse, there is only Tenchi. Everything is part of Tenchi.
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>>100107472
yes, and he just happens to be an all-powerful part of tenchi that can undo tenchi. And besides, he could undo tenchi without going to his realm
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>>100102345
Why the fuck is hao asakura that high?
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>>100107522
Who?
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>>100107315
>His omnipotence is not compromised by being a part of tenchi, in theory he could undo THIS universe as well, including his own mangaka.
This is some Thought Robot level wankery right here. Christ.
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>>100107161
Demonbane wins.
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Why is Nabeshin in special tier and not above everyone else?
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LED Mirage > Everything
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>>100107522
But he is Tenchi.
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>>100107629
Because you have to give people a chance. Otherwise it wouldn't be interesting.
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Where would Inferno Cop be?
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What's the purpose of Special Tier?
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>actually having a thread dedicated to arguing which fictional character is stronger than another one

I mean the rest of /a/ is already pretty pathetic but you guys take the fucking price.
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>>100106025
Why does the special tier exist? Can they not be accurately placed (Kumagawa can warp reality but never wins) or are they above the omnipotent tier?
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>>100107721
Undefined powers, special circumstances.
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Could Saitama beat Goku?
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>>100106025
Why is Nabeshin gone.
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>>100107789
Goku needs to hit people lots of times and 3 episodes of charging to win. Saitama only needs 1 punch.
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>>100107737
They can't be accurately placed.
Some can beat powerful characters under special circumstances but would die to much weaker ones, some are meta as fuck, and some are simply too arbitrary to rank, etc.
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can you be considered powerful if you aren't self-conscious of your abilities?
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>>100107914
Why do you think Haruhi is in special tier in every single iteration?
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>>100107666
and that is irellevant
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>>100107914
Yes and no which is hy Haruhi is in the special box.
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>>100107868

>Sailor moon
>Higher than Giorno
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>>100107868
move hao up..
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>>100105113
He could, because Demonbane doesn't exist in reality. I don't remember the exact details, but either his existence is a concept outside of reality or his main body is outside of reality and only slightly interacts with it. Even if you destroy all the Demonbanes in all universes, it wouldn't touch him. He's also a supposedly Meta Character, so he kinda also exists in our world.
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From what I can see in this thread, a lot of people seem to arguing against franchises they are obviously not familiar with. These people should think about their posts, I mean come on.
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>>100107976
No its not. Its very relevant. The only way Hao could stand a chance of beating Tenchi would be for Tenchi to pack up his infinite realities and move to Haos place. Then it would just be two Omnipotents heating up burritos.
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>>100107840
Some twat took him out. Fixed.
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>>100108104
no, it doesn't matter. why would it matter?
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>>100105398
>If him and Kami Tenchi were to fight to the death there'd be a 50/50 ratio, NOT a guaranteed win.
It wouldn't. In reality there would be not chance for either of them winning or losing. They'd just fight for the rest of infinity and neither would win until one of them got bored and fucked off to some other multiverse.
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>Defeating Omnipotents
That's not even close to how it works, If an omnipotent can be defeated they are not omnipotent.
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>>100108090
Nope. In both the Tenchi and LON the whole of existence, not just reality, both exist as part of Tenchi and LONs bodies. If it exists in either of those two franchises its just a cog.

As there exist nothing that is outside of Tenchi or LON neither of them would ever leave their universe as there is nothing to move to. So if Demonbane was to ever go up against Tenchi or LON they would infact be part of Tenchi and LON and just behaving as normal, being Omnipotent -1.
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>>100106420
Doesn't work.
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>>100106420
those tactics would work on what, 0 of the characters on the list?
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Why isn't OPM near the top?
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>>100108380
we don't know what he's capable of, for one
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>>100107161
Saitama was a Demonbane all along.

don't you pay attention to these threads?
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>>100106420
A sure way to win against Meta Garbage, isn't it?
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>>100106005
Aiwass is the prophet of Thelema, who apparently dictated the Liber Al Legis (book of law) to IRL Corwley
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>>100108145

DIO needs to be changed to soul power like Giorno and Pucci
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For more wankering, here is a run down of the powerlevel stuff in the Dies Irae series
http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Kami+Sama+Series
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>>100109058
>OBD
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>>100109083
Well it's a pretty good run down from someone who actually played these games
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There is no such thing as soul power. Its just on one chart that someone shitted up that no one will save.
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>all these retarded Accelfags
I hope you guys are kidding
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>>100109180
Accelerator does not "kid".
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>>100104462
If I'm reading this correctly, I can conclude Arcueid > Battler. On the position that none of her powers count as "magical". Marble Phantasm is merely the 100% actualization of a phenomena that is already possible in the real working world.
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>>100110466
It's what Battler would view as magic. So she's done.
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>>100102345
Ay, yo
Where do i find Goku
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>>100106420
>Accelerator

The problem is the people propping him up are relying on Kamachi's broken-ass explanations of how psychics work. And ALL of the explanations on how they work make no functional sense, let's not mince words. The only core thing to understand is that all Index psychics work with a certain energy particle to actualize their powers. Anyone that can deny them that particle automatically can gain the upper hand.

In short, what is needed to defeat the An Involuntary Movement field generated by any Index psychic is, essentially, someone that can rewrite the rules of reality, however temporary or permanent. Or something that can ignore the operation of these particles.

In that essence, there are LOADS of characters that can defeat the likes of even Accelerator.
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>>100108016
When defeat the source of life YOU can, regard you as powerful we will.
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>>100107556
>That second paragraph
>All those bullshit terms

Disapproval.
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>>100107868
>Sakura near Getter Emperor

My Sides, RELEASE
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>>100110466
What Arc is and her Marble Phantasm would be considered magic in Umineko terms so she'd still be susceptible to Battler's anti-magic toxin.
Shit I bet Battler can kill servants too.
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>>100110466
>Marble Phantasm is merely the 100% actualization of a phenomena that is already possible in the real working world.
If she's making stuff pop out of thin air then it's still magic. Law of conservation of energy.
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How come /a/ is tolerant towards these threads yet Naruto threads get spammed on sight?

This is the very same shit as Naruto threads and appeals to the very same audience.
The people who seriously discuss power levels are cancer.
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>>100102345
Since Fiamma's power is to have his own power rise to enough to beat any opponent, would he be able to beat any faster than light opponents like TTGL? Othinus could take TTGL out of existence, Aleister is omnipresent, and covered in scalars while Aiwass is on a completely separate level even from him. Shouldn't they be a tier above TTGL, except maybe Fiamma. Pendex is definitely capable of the same feats as Othinus at the least. Izzard is a reality warper, but honestly seems like he's placed way too high. Arc should be a smidge higher, and Goku as well. Tenchi should be the peak above demonbane, since demonbane is just a tenchi.
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>>100112774
>Pendex is definitely capable of the same feats as Othinus at the least.
Wat. Have you read the spoilers for NT9? Othinus is the damn most powerful character in Raildex so far.
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>>100112908
>Have you read the spoilers for NT9?
No. But Pendex has access to 103,000 grimoires. There should be one on how to do the things Othinus did, at least in NT8.
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>>100113105
>Pendex has access to 103,000 grimoires
Pendex has access to the contents of 103,000 grimoires.
Originals are far more powerful.
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>>100113105
Othinus in NT9 makes EVERYTHING that has happened in the series look so insignificant and worthless in comparison.
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>>100113219
N-No spoilers, anon!
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>>100112774
>Aleister
>is covered in scalars
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>>100113280
I didn't spoil anything though. Just giving you an idea of how powerful Othinus is.
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>>100113296
Forgot my pic.
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>>100113296
Is he not?
I doubt it really matters since he's omnipresent.
>>100113199
>Originals are far more powerful.
Why would a little girl have acces to the original Grimoire, when there are countless organizations trying to find and make use of those very grimoires?
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>>100113219
Anti-magic powerlevels coming through.
Battler (Endless Nine) > Asuna (Magic Cancel) > Touma (Imagine Breaker) > Taiga (Mx0)
Discuss.
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>>100104192
>Maou above Kiss Shot
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>>100113457
Crowley isn't. Otherwise his plans wouldn't get fucked up. Aiwass is omnipresent.
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>>100113479
Imagine Breaker

How much do we even know about IB anyway?
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>>100113457
>Is he not?
I have no idea. I merely find it amusing how the author of Raildex uses mathematical models that have no actual real world presence in his writing to hamfist some sort of sci-fi mumbo jumbo background explanation into it.
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>>100113479
Taiga (Toradora) > Battler (Endless Nine) > Asuna (Magic Cancel) > Touma (Imagine Breaker) > Taiga (Mx0)
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>>100113513
Nothing, really.
It makes the world the way it was.
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>>100113479
Sorry didn't mean to quote.
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>>100113527
Where's the cat?
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>>100113513
Apparently there's some sort of nine tailed fox thing sealed in IB and there's another mysterious power that crushed the thing.

It also existed before Touma, taking different forms.
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Where would Takumi place on the chart, if anywhere?
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>>100113564
Ami > Taiga
Discuss.
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>>100113964
At the very bottom.
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>>100114285
Nothing to discuss. It's true.
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>>100114362
I made you this handy dandy powerlevels chart.
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>>100113964
>>100114352
Obviously near the top.
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>>100102345
Just imagine Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann vs Demonbane. The epicness would be uncontainable.
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>>100104449
Nullification of all cause and effects that the Stand itself deems as harmful to the user, this ability is outside of even the users will. This ability can trigger even outside of normal time and space, and even if the user dies. If the user dies the stand will negate the effect of "User being attacked" and time will basically reverse until such an event never took place.

It can also drain all will power from the opponent near instantly so they are unable to move as he can simply advance upon them. If he is able to kill the opponent then they will cycle through a never ending number of deaths all with different causes, because never ending is also an ending, and GER erased the effect of death while leaving everything up until that point so it can only repeat endlessly as the answer can never be reached.

Also it can give life to any inanimate object; if you strike the newly animated object then you'll receive your own attack three times over, because something about life being sacred.
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How is Haruka so high up yet routinely loses slap fights against 13 year olds?
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>>100112643
It's not popping out of thin air—the energy is there for her to use. That's why she's the conduit/acting Type for Earth. She herself is likened to a large-scale natural disaster for that exact reason.
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>>100113479
And in pure physical power, Taiga would bash the shit out of Touma and Battler, then get chopped by Asuna.
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>>100113964
Hard to say. The guy is an immortal living delusion and minor reality warper. Still likely to be at the bottom.
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>>100113527
>John Smith's Haruhi
What?
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>>100105825
Vash would rank in continental.
His angel arm could destroy one considering it blew a huge crater on the moon
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SEP Field > AIM Field
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>>100114547
Unless it's a much weaker incarnation of Demonbane, not really.
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>>100108145
>>100108971
I would actually consider DIO to be lower in powerlevel to Diavolo, considering the type of power they have. The only reason Diavolo was defeated is because Gold Experience Requiem is pretty much broken whole DIO got his ass handed by Jotaro with a similar set of skills.
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What the hell is this chart even based on?
Achievements?
If so then why is Giorno that high when all he did was kill/not kill a mob boss?
This chart makes no sense
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>>100102663
>Bernkastel shouldn't be so much higher than Battler

Are you serious?

She's in a completely different league.
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Where to put this cute guy?
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>>100125157
It's based on "muh favorite character". Hence the retarded shit of putting stuff like FMA and Hellsing characters in the same chart.
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>>100116657
Some of them are pretty weak when reduced to pure physical power.
Imagine for example Bernkastel. Using only fists or feet, even the normal humans from Umineko like Jessica or Krauss would beat the shit out of her.
Only the mystic power users that are at the same time trained fighters (like for example Esdese) could stand a chance withoiut their magic.
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None of these charts are any good. Why is /a/ so bad at for accurate powerlevels?
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>>100127661
Then you should make it, dawg.
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>>100113513
It's the referance point to the world, and exists to undo the warping that the supernatural does to the planet. It's passed on after the user dies, unless that person commits suicide (speculated by Othinus).

It has a limit to what it can negate though, such as giant or really powerful attacks such as Fiamma's 13km flame sword, and Accelerator's black wings. It's also sealing something inside Touma which we know pretty much nothing about.
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>>100127740
Waste of time. I rather watch and read more anime and manga.
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>all this arguing where accelerator goes

Sasuga Accelerator
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>>100127992
>this bullshit again
Accel could just prevent the effects from affecting his body, and you can't really kill him unless you destroy his brain.
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>>100127992
Accelerator auto reflects light, thermodynamics wont do shit to him.
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>>100108468
Yes we do. Anything. He has no limits, this has been explained already.
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>>100102345
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I like these threads.
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>>100108145
Why Kouga and Saga are so high?
Saga, while really strong, is just a Gold Saint with only the 7th Sense, and while Kouga has the potential to become a new God of Darkness(the same way Aria did become a Goddess of Light), he's not one, yet.
Omega!Seiya is vastly higher than both, and only from Gods up people in Saint Seiya becomes Planetary-level
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>>100124210
then again, Dio is an immortal vampire zombie

>>100125157
>What the hell is this chart even based on?
Maximum Power.
Giorno's Maximum power is GER that makes him basically invincible.
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What about the Sage of Miral Lake in Log Horizon? He states his specialty is planetary level magic. As far as I know he's far and away the most powerful person in that series.
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How can even LoN or Demonbane be stronger than Featherine? Featherine is the writer, a representation of the author himself. These are all fictional characters and Featherine could simply write that they lost omnipotence and died. Hell, she doesn't even need to do that much.
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>>100136216
Well, given Dark Schneider is already stronger than his Author, I suppose it depends on the power-level of their authors
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>>100102845

MEODP doesn't work on ultimate ones bro.
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>>100136806
MEoDP has different levels, with both Tohno and Ryougi constantly going beyond what they themselves thought possible.
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Can someone please explain how anything on this list is higher than the Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann?
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>>100138749
STTGL is some pretty weak sauce.
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>>100127992
Issue is, pretty much every scalar has a vector that affects it. For example, heat is a scalar but heat flux is a vector so Accelerator still doesn't get fried.
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>>100138946
That is a horrible explanation to be honest <.<
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>>100108279
Demonbane is a non-existance.
An omnipotent entity tried to erase Demonbane's existence, that's like trying to take an eraser to a blank page.
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>>100138749
>STTGL
>Not even a match for Getter Emperor

That's how.
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>>100138749
Sure.

Here's Featherine.
She's the self insert of the author with the powers of the author.
And what can an author actually do?
She can create a universe/multiverse, change character motivation, kill off anyone, change any law, destroy anything, slit universes, etc. Anything you can imagine, she can do.

Now let's compare her to STTGL.
STTGL is the strongest being in the universe on a scale that is impossible to measure but everyone over him can destroy/recreate the universe and travel within it and do whatever the fuck they want.
STTGL is pretty weak but he's fucking huge which gives him that power. It's the reason why the anti-spiral are higher than him. I mean, they even fucking lower themselves to match his power.

Reality warpers can fuck SSTGL pretty hard without even trying.
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>>100139109
Then you destroy the page using the eraser and use the eraser to make new paper.
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>>100139121
But next to STTGL you probably can't even see Getter Emperor, it's like a termite versus a bear.
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>>100139254
It's a contextual analogy, you dumbass.
You're moving the goalposts.
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>>100139319
>muh size
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>>100139450
I know that but moving the goalpost is pretty much the only thing you can do.
Next thing you know, Demonbane is actually part of the eraser that was used to to erase the paper and shit never ends.

I was just trying to be funny.
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>>100102815
>Sakura Kinomoto that high
No.
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>>100139196
Okay so everyone with an insta-win button can defeat it.
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>>100139489
>implying size doesn't matter in context of giant robots fighting.
What would getter emperor use to destroy it?
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>>100139096
For example, what good is it to be fater than light when the opponent can rewrite the laws of the universe?
Lets pretend STTGL is up against Tenchi. Tenchi is Omnipotent. The match begins and STTGL steps on him, being faster than light. However Tenchi is not only not dead, but he suddenly grows 100 times larger than STTGL, and twists off each part like a Gunpla.In fact that's exactly what happened, Tenchi allowed the pilot to see STTGL squash Tenchi, but being omnipotent his entire being is not limited to STTGL's universe, but rather he's free to exist within an omniverse. Tenchi shrunk STTGL and is now playing with it like its a toy while the pilots are hallucinating something else entirely.
If you research the other characters above STTGL you'll realize a good portion of them are able to do similar things, the way they beat STTGL is limited more by their own imagination than any other factor, but the fact that they do win in the end will never change.
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>>100127661
We used to be good at it Pre-2012, then everything started going downhill
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Lilith (Third Impact) should be higher
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>>100139594
Yes. Which is a lot of people.
And saying it's an insta-win button doesn't quite do it justice since it's their actual power, not just a win button that makes them better than STTGL.

Either way, anyone over STTGL is a god, or near godlike, that it hardly matters.
STTGL is fucking OP but everyone over him is just ridiculous since they are simply just strong.
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>>100139096
For example, what good is it to be faster than light when the opponent can rewrite the laws of the universe?

Lets pretend STTGL is up against Tenchi. Tenchi is Omnipotent. The match begins and STTGL steps on him, being faster than light. However Tenchi is not only not dead, but he suddenly grows 100 times larger than STTGL, and twists off each part like a Gunpla. In fact that's exactly what happened, Tenchi allowed the pilot to see STTGL squash Tenchi, but being omnipotent his entire being is not limited to STTGL's universe, but rather he's free to exist within an omniverse. Tenchi shrunk STTGL and is now playing with it like its a toy while the pilots are hallucinating something else entirely.

If you research the other characters above STTGL you'll realize a good portion of them are able to do similar things, the way they beat STTGL is limited more by their own imagination than any other factor, but the fact that they do win in the end will never change.
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>>100139747
Insta-win buttons are boring tho i see your point :)
But no uguu god is cooler than STTGL anyway.
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>>100139823
It's not an insta-win you dumb fuck.
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>>100139882
No bullying.
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>>100139937
Fuck off, that faggot deserves it.
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>>100139823
>But no uguu god is cooler than STTGL anyway.
But they can be sexier, and that's enough for me.
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>>100139937
No idiocy.
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>>100139983
>>100139823
>>100139937
>>100139995
Y-You won't get me samefag.
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>>100139196
>She's the self insert of the author with the powers of the author.
Then she's Nabeshin, and therefore has no rights whatsoever in the main diagram, better allocated to the special with the other ubermeta people.

In fact, both she and all the Medaka/One Punch Man characters need to be shuffled over there. She's an author avatar, and Medaka was never, ever meant to be taken the least bit seriously.
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>>100102345
Woah dude how old is that version, this is worse than the one from the last thread.
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>>100104573
THIS alone is why I now literally worship Demonbane as the highest echelon of my 13 gods.
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>>100140214
She's a self insert of the author to a certain degree but she's also her own character who interacts with the story, which is why she's on that chart.

There are a lot of self insert in a lot of fiction but no to the degree of a god or they don't usually have a role in the story. Featherine has such a role which is why she is included. Me saying she is the self insert is a bit of a misrepresentation of her character.

Also see >>100107868 , which was updated a few days ago.
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>>100139573
Actually she deserves to be, based on sheer potential. Far as magic girls go, she's got the capability to fuck a lot of this list over in one or two spells. No Sailor Moon, granted, but, again, the potential has to be acknowledged.

>>100139619
Go be manipulated by dark gods somewhere else, Shuu.
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>>100140394
>based on sheer potential.
Her fighting skills are fucking terrible though, so no it is not.
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Hi folks, /m/ here, just dropping by to fix a few errors on your chart. (seriously? No Ideon?)
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>>100102815
>>100102841
I would say Eva's absolute 0 triumphs over Lena Sayer's speed.
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>>100140544
>adding Mao Dante
Took someone long enough to do it.
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sorry for my ignorance but who is that tenchi misaki?
what's his power?
can someone explain?
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Why the fuck is Arcueid above Saber?
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>>100140745
Created a universe, etc.
Saber can't do shit, etc.

Ignoring you can catch him in a pokeball and he's weak mechanically gamewise, he's still a god.
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>goku in medium low area
>not being the top

shit chart
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Shouldn't Homu have replaced Mado in Special Tier?
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Any chart where Sakura isn't at the top is objectively wrong.
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>>100140392
Again, all you are actively describing is Nabeshin. The only difference being one canon is a mystery/suspence set that plays with meta, and the other is a parody that thrives on meta. It's like putting Bugs Bunny in the main bracket. Fiction itself is also live with so-called avatar inserts, either using their existence to soapbox some dogma or exposition, or otherwise hamming it up and really expressing through word the author's own fantasies in exchange for, more often than not, making the story poorer overall.

Also I'm positive that's not the most-recent chart, since the last really updated one had Maou Satan on there for some reason or the other.

Also, there's no way in hell Yuusha is capable of defeating a Servant, let alone ranking so high.

Looking more at this, there really are some bad descrepencies

>Homura
Should no longer be on the main chart, as her status is now as iffy as Madoka's is.
>Walpurgis
Definitely shouldn't chart at all—we have more than enough genuine characters present that qualify as walking natural disasters.
>ORT
Same reason as Walpurgis
>Ayanami Rei/Lilith
She didn't have any power at that time—Shinji did. She was literally a vehicle for the acid trip. Eva-01 is the better example for power and ability, being honest.
>Medaka
Same reason I mentioned earlier. Pure Parody and Meta just screw and skew everything. None of those characters should be admissible outside of Special Tier.
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>>100140869

Arcueid, not Arceus.

Also, if Arcueid used her mystic eyes on a servant, but the master used a command spell, what would the servant obey? I'm guessing it depends on the power of the magus using the command spell?
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>>100139652
Evolution
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>>100140470
If we're talking fighting and CLAMP, then Hikaru/Umi/Fuu walk all over Sakura. I don't disagree with you—I'm just acknowledging the spade. Aside, op at the time didn't chart Galaxia, either.

>>100141017
This isn't a moe chart, so you'll just have to keep holding that torch, anon.
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>>100102345
>Lain above universe destroyers
Lain only has power over Earth while humanity is alive. A being like Getter Emperor that could wipe out humanity with less effort than stepping on a cockroach would destroy Lain and erase her existence, and should be higher than her.
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>>100141429
Needed a minor adjustment.
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>>100141429
Nono is not a galactic-scale destroyer. In Buster Machine 7 form she was a planet buster and in Diebuster mode we never saw her capabilities aside from neutralizing a black hole with Gainax ending magic.
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Why is Arceus even on this list to begin with? At the very least why is it still?

At this point why hasn't it been replaced with Xerneas and Yveltal?

They're guaranteed their own movies if that's the explanation for Arceus and they both technically ourank him as the rulers of creation and destruction.

Xerneas' power can be used to reverse life energy into a blast of immeasurable power while Yveltal can drain all life energy if it wants.

Arceus' powers are also speculated and the movie says it only gifted the plates to the world.
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This new format was never going to be accepted, but I don't think it'll ever be considered anything but a joke until Sakura gets put higher and Kumagawa gets put back on the bottom.

I'd also just like to say that I don't think this list should be designed on a "who can beat who" basis, but rather on a "who can preform the more impressive feats" one.
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>>100139652
Getter Emperor is implied to have infinite potential for growth and will eventually absorb all matter in the universe and potentially be as powerful as STTGL or its equivalents.
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>>100141959
We've been attempting to put it on a feat basis but so many anons want to talk theorybattles that the chart keeps getting screwed around and the thread derailed.
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>>100114487
>Can warp his 86 around corners at will
>Not even included

Shit list
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>>100141707
Why is Kakine not revived?
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>>100102345
Yukari's ability is not magic, magic users are classified in Touhou as such.
It falls more into the area of special power as it is an ability she was born with.
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>>100141707
Battler is far too high considering his ability.
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>>100142266
This is what i don't understand, on concept the gurren lagan is an homage to the getter, but it also builds upon it.
The getter emperor took centuries to grow to a size and power comparable maybe with the ark gurren lagann or the stage after that, however is it called. and could eventually grow to something equivalent to TTGL or STTGL ending it's universe yadda yadda.
But the gurren lagann reached that stage in a blink as soon as the pilots willed it, and it already has the power of destroying and creating universes.

I know /a/ likes to hate GL, but the power of creating unverses through sheer willpower makes it pretty much a god.
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>>100141161
Medaka's abilities and powers are pretty well defined only open part about her was the unexplained shit inside her!
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>>100106103
It's like you didn't read Kizu.
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Why is Medaka above Goku?
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>>100141707
>Sakura at City level
Get out of /a/
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>>100143405
Well, where is revived one supposed to be?
Somewhere about Accelerator-level?
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>>100145074
He's not all that powerful DC-wise.

He's just hard as hell to kill.
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>>100145261
Actually, he's a universe buster.
He can make as many copies of himself as he wants, so if he made enough, he would eventually cover the planet and 'bust it' by taking it apart stone by stone. If he kept going he could cover the entire universe with his clones, since they don't need oxygen or anything.
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>>100145903
That's a long-term thing though. His power at that point is just waiting to win and being a lazy asshole.

>Kakine Teitoku did not have to worry about when or where that eventuality occurred. He only needed to wait for its arrival no matter how long it took. He did not have to worry about his own consumption. If he merely waited for victory to come his way, his wish would be granted. It was the ultimate wastefulness, the ultimate laziness, and the ultimate desecration. The #2 had gained the ability to extend the idea of ‘sitting and waiting’ to a level where it threatened to bring humanity to extinction.
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Splitting between Mystic and Raw is full-on retarded. I swear, these edits just keep making it all worse and worse.
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>>100146258
Yup. Keep it simple stupid like the edit last week.
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>>100145903
>he would eventually cover the planet and 'bust it' by taking it apart stone by stone.
Like ants taking apart a blue whale?
>>100145995
>That's a long-term thing though.
Good point, I doubt he would even count as a genuine city buster.
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>>100146367
Well you could look at it that way or look at it the way you would look at a baby eldritch abomination, unchecked for long enough he'd have pretty ridiculous potential that would pretty much grow exponentially, otherwise he could be nipped at the start and be little threat to anything.
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>>100146367
Well, given:
> Pure white wings extended from his back. They spread out like plants growing in fast forward. They were not merely a few dozen meters long or a few hundred meters long. In an instant, those wings enveloped that giant pile of ruined ships that could be mistaken for an island.
> They formed a dome around it.
> They formed a cage of slaughter.
this is what ONE body is capable of. And he creates hundreds of copies every second.
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>>100146634
He himself confirmed that Black Wings Accel could probably one-shot him though.
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>>100146690
They one-shoted Beetle.
But Real Kakine was ready to simply make another body his primary one. Or some other DM creature. He had always kept more than enough of them distantly and they were multiplying. If there is at least a bit of DM left, he won't die and will create more Dark Matter to survive
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>>100146690
This isn't about who can defeat who, it is simply the extent of their powers and potential feats.
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>>100141707
>Lowering the Otomes that much
Yeah, no. Arika brute forced her way through a weapon that destroyed half a planet, and Lena was the strongest Otome who ever lived.
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>>100147768
Moved Sakura to where she belongs.
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>>100149367
>Implying Alcuard can destroy a continent
It'd take him hours just to destroy a city. He doesn't belong above that tier, unless he's going in the special box.
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>>100149983
I'm sure he could destroy an entire city if he unlocked all his levels. I'm sure he can destroy a Continent he put his full effort in it.
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>>100141707
>>100147768
>>100149367
Fuck off Kumagawafag. Last thread we had about this and everyone agreed Kumagawa was not even close to being "special" enough to be included with the other specials in their special box.

The fact you edited him into that specials box shows you are just the burthurt Kumagawa fanboy still asspained from the last thread.

We already have 3 Medaka Box characters and Kumagawa doesn't qualify at all to have the same ranking as Iihiko.
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>>100150229
You're sure based on what? Your own arbitrary opinion? He DID unlock all his levels and it still didn't do much damage to London itself, just the population, and that was mostly due to all the other forces attacking it. He could maybe smash a few skyscrapers at a time when fighting seriously, he's not blowing up continents.
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>mfw months of posting Sakura in retarded powerlevel threads is finally starting to pay off
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>>100149983
yeah, he needs to be moved
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Perhaps a shout out to those who possess the ability to negate the divine? Or strip immortality?

Caster from F/SN, the Incubators, Roger Smith of Big O, etcetera


A "who to call" list? Perhaps?

Why is Yukari there, by the way?
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>>100150513
Eh, I didn't even notice Kumagawa was on the chart, and I don't care either. Go be butthurt about it somewhere else.
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>>100150759
>Why is Yukari there, by the way?
Because people wanted Touhou on there, apparently. Pretty questionable, but then so is Elder God Demonbane. Yukari at least regularly appears in the Touhou manga.
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>>100107273
Gotenks managed to gain the upper hand during many parts of the fight and Goku didn't want to fight Super Buu (not that he could until Old Kai gave him his life).

It's fusion, I ain't gonna explain shit.
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>>100150761
Sure thing, pal. You were the one who edited him into there in the first place.

And no one is gonna take your chart seriously until you remove him.
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Where would one put Momoyo on that?
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>>100147768
>>100149367
Obito in that mode is not truly planetary.
His power is more in the area of a life wiper.
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>>100150953
Obito is placed correctly (we discussed this in last weeks thread) however the guy who added that shit on the left really fucked that up.
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>>100150943
I would think near Medeka they are very similar
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>>100151167
But Momoyo loses to ghosts and Tsubame's natto
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>>100150900
Er, no. All I did was take >>100102841 to edit on suggestion, I even asked if anyone had a problem with it. I'd probably have taken him off if you weren't such a bitch about it, but now I'm inclined not to bother. Don't take it seriously, see if I care.
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>>100150953
>>100151065
The line represents the bottom of the tier, not the top. Obito ISN'T marked as planetary.
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>>100151065
I am also not found of the left side.
Seriously there is something wrong with it.
Same for the Otome, kust because you can destroy a planet busting weapon does not mean you poses similar capabilites and tanking it at most defines your damage endurance class.
For example one has to differ between true output to destroy a planet or star and one who can achieve similar through an effect.
One toples the output of the star the other causes a chain reaction that might destabilize it and thus causes destruction.
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If Arceus is so powerful, how did the protagonist managed to catch him?
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>>100151724
The heart of the cards
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>>100128748
We know he's powerful enough to own every single character in his universe. He doesn't need to be stronger than that because the joke still works and he shouldn't even be on battle because he's from a gag manga, the creator didn't intend this bullshit for him.
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>>100151623
>Same for the Otome, kust because you can destroy a planet busting weapon does not mean you poses similar capabilites and tanking it at most defines your damage endurance class.
Actually, she was brute forcing it through it's actual power output, so it'd qualify as both, since she outmatched it's power and was unharmed by it.
There's other factors as well, like Arika smashing an asteroid that was going to wipe out six countries.
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>>100150759
You're a fag for making me start this, and I'm not going to finish it.

10 hours in MS paint.
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>>100151913
Who cares?
He belongs in the special tier. That's where he belongs.
Putting him anywhere on that list would be disrespectful.
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>>100102815
>Z Below Pucci and Giovanna

PFFFFFTAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>Consumed the power of the Earth Mother so she is literally the system of life itself on Earth; those of Earth cannot even turn against her lest they reject life itself.
>Access to all items of power or legendary figures that have ever appeared on Earth since before it's conception; as they have been recorded and can be recreated
>Mystical items include the Holy Grail which can selfishly grant any wish
>Highly modded AI program that has near perfect self modification which allows her to adapt and assimilate other data.
>Currently possesses the mortal eye of god itself, in the sense that she's hacked into an alien computer which is something of a quantum observer as all it records or sees will become truth, even retroactively if you change it's records to suit your own needs.

Once you're beyond the planet the Earth Mother's power over you is almost non-existent perhaps, but that's still a rather decent power set.
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>>100152084
>has a dagger that is the incarnation of
Of who?
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>>100152084
I'm not even sure where you were going with this.
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>>100151327
Protip: No one takes your chart seriously in this thread.

The only chart everyone agreed on from last time was this chart >>100107868

And you know why no one takes your chart seriously?

It's because you are easily misled and baited because not only are you a latecomer but no where in this thread did you even ask if Kumagawa is in the right place or not.

You took fanboys' words at face value and you don't even have the "powerlevel" to doubt them seeing that you probably don't even read or watch for yourself, all the shows or manga the characters on this chart come from.

A power level chart person who does not know 100 percent of the franchises mentioned in the power level chart he is editing does not deserve to make edits in the first place.
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>>100152202
"Folks that can beat your character" basically. God killers. I mean, if we've got a bunch of people who can rip apart the universe, we gotta have folks to take 'em, right?

Ugh. I'm not sure either.
>>100152196
Shit. Reimu covered it up. It said "incarnation of cheating".

God. Just make it go away or complete it.
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>>100152173
How would she fare against Void Shiki?
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>>100152230
Either way, that chart looks fine the way it is.
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>98 year old immortal mage
>Able to bend the raw essence of magic, mana, to his whim, even the mana of those around him
>Possesses a mastery over scribe arts, allowing him to craft magical documents and contracts
>Able to alter the laws of physics to turn Landers into Adventurers through said magic contracts
>Tactical genius
>As of the current cook he has full phantasmal gear, making him even stronger
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>>100152356
How's your first day on /a/?
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>>100152356
Like magic even does shit compared to gravitational/time powers/shifting
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>>100152173
Considering Type-Moon I wondered about this.
In Type-Moon they added something like a second type of gods one that has its status not through worship but because it is more something akin to a primordial being.
Apparently Casters nine-tailed form of the past was one of those and she represented or actually was the sun/power of the sun.
Wouldn't that have actually made that past caster Type-Sun?
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Where is the strongest?
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>>100152230
I already mentioned in the thread, I don't really care if people take it seriously at this point, it's still a work in progress. And I said early on that positions of actual power on the chart can wait until everything else is sorted out. I'm neither a latecomer, nor do I know less than about 3/4 of the power of the characters on the chart, but that's not really the point. I don't really feel like aquiesing to your butthurt, so please feel free to stop responding. I probably won't respond to you after this, unless you feel like presenting some kind of watertight case for your cause. And preferably less bitching.
So yeah, primarily thanks to you, Kumagawa can stay right where he is unless a decent argument comes forward to say otherwise. Good job.
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>>100152457
>>100152395
He wont be high on the chart, but he still has some decent stuff, I mean a level 94 Adventurer is a super human and he has a plethora of magical spells, though not the strongest.

I would have picked Krusty, but he has no Overskill as of yet, which lessens his strength in comparison to Shiroe
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>>100152316
BB is in the Broken Tier of CCC; which includes shit like Arcuied at normal capacity, a True Demon who has stolen the Throne of god, and one of the stronger divine beings in creation at full power.

If Void Shiki is "of Earth" then she cannot rebel against the Earth Mother however. Earth Mother has complete dominance over all things of Earth, aside from maybe Arc. That's also not even counting BB's NP which is an absolute rewriting of all natural phenomenon to create a guaranteed result that no factor may overturn. Basically it's reality warping, but it's reality warping that also takes into account anything that might get in the way of an absolute answer and overturns them all. Hard to tell if Ryougi is still in the top bracket with some recent changes, but who knows.
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>>100152481
Then it'd just be the "Rance and people who are weaker than him" chart.
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>>100152568
He can't even compare to homura.
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>>100152568
Christ, do you even understand the fundamentals of the chart or are you just trolling?
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>>100152478

Friendly reminder: Amaterasu is the strongest Character in the Fate series.
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>>100152664
He's an idiot or a newfag, ignore him.
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>>100152478
Nah; there are divine beings that are created through worship, and divine beings that were originally human as I recall.

Earth Mother is the goddess of origin which all gods sprung from, but I think gods still require worship to exist. However in the Mooncell a change occurs, as Unnatural Phenomenon is greater than Natural Phenomenon, which means something like a god can be above even Arc there since gods become "Truth" as soon as they're taken into data. Meaning that within Mooncell at least Tamamo can control the Sun most likely, since her existence has become truth.
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1. Madoka is now powerless, remove from chart.
2. Homura has achieved devil mode, and can now warp the entirety of reality.
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>>100152647
As opposed to the current "Demonbane and people who are weaker than him" chart we have now? Rance is at least Continental.
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>>100152679
So Amaterasu is above ORT?
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>>100152759
Within Mooncell, maybe

It was stated that the only one who might stand even a very low chance against her is Arc functioning normally with her Ultimate One and 1/6th modifier active.
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>>100152729
Godoka is still a usable character, she can stay.
Akuhomu should be put on there, being able to interfere with abstract beings, steal their power and warp reality counts for a lot. What is she, universal tier or so?
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>>100152728
Your two examples are basically the same as any being can turn into those pseudo gods from worship and if the worship declines they turn into spirits.

Also this was about original Amaterasu, that existed before something like the moon celll and grail war and the like.
The Tama in the moon cell is only a minor part of her and the real deal supposedly possessed truly infinite mana.
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>>100152759
Amaterasu that appears in Mooncell is above all the types we see. But she can only exist in that form in Mooncell. To put it simply in terms of power it would equal to what the Sun is capable of doing,

Sun > Planets
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>>100152855
Shit tier. Don't lie to yourself.
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>>100152728
Arc was never full power in the Moon Cell, though.

Her being turned mad and forced to be placed under the berserker class lowered her stats.
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>>100152729
>now powerless
Plot specific details don't matter.
Goddess Madoka still happened and is a high tier character.
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>>100152909
That's kind of the point, Nasu speculated about this shit in the Extra data book where he said Ammy is still typically more powerful in a way.
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>>100152895
>The Tama in the moon cell is only a minor part of her and the real deal supposedly possessed truly infinite mana.

Tamamo-no-Mae is a soul created from the sun goddess Amaterasu, and she is a unique facet of the goddess rather than a mere Earth Spirit.
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>>100152817
Wasn't that the old outdated info?
With all the new stuff like DDD and so still not being added.
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>>100152902
But we're talking about Homu, not Sayaka.
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>>100152994

That statement is less than a year old.
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>>100152729
>Madoka is now powerless
Confirmed for not having watched the movie
>Homura has achieved devil mode
Debatable.

The issue with Homura is that Madoka is simply a law in the universe and nothing more.
The power Madoka holds is unknown and really vague as fuck without being much of anything.

Homura is worth even less since she only stole a small portion of said unknown power and did jack shit with it. What powers does Homura have? Honestly, only the power to make people not remember Madoka, which isn't fucking amazing or worth being anywhere.
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>>100153012
Both are bad. Even their own powers are based on a gauge. Sorry but megucas can't into real powers, only rabu powers
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>>100152897
I am talking about the original Amaterasu.
You know that one from the picture from the magazine or so with the text something like this: "This is what a ninetailed caster would (not) look like, as it was Amaterasu of of the past Avatar of the sun, not achievable anymore"
Something like that, I do not remember the exact wording anymore.
What I mean is the true Amaterasu, not some moon cell copy.
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>>100152855
Homura was only able to absorb Godoka's power due to her wish.
She would not be able to steal anyone's power.
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>>100153072
>Honestly, only the power to make people not remember Madoka
The funny part about that is after she became a Godoka, she was already forgotten by everyone. So literally nothing changed.
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>>100153072
>Honestly, only the power to make people not remember Madoka, which isn't fucking amazing or worth being anywhere.
So planetary mind-manipulation? That's actually pretty neat.
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>>100152607
>a True Demon who has stolen the Throne of god

Nasu says Kiara was close to being a True Demon, but ultimately, was not a genuine True Demon.

The last time a True Demon manifested itself in the Nasuverse was in Tsukihime and Nasu even mentions the person who stopped it from being born for real aka Ciel's fellow coworker in the Burial Agency who is the official Burial Agency chauffeur, a priest who has amnesia and has forgotten his own name because his successful attempt at exorcise a True Demon that was about to be born in the world cost him his memories, his powers, his own name, and apparently, his own soul.
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>>100152994
>Berserker (White) [Servant?]
>The Servant you fight in the fourth round, version 2.
>Her Master, Gatou Monji.
>A funny vamp with disheveled hair and vicious crimson eyes.
>Fanservice, as people would call it.
>Not actually a Servant, but a mysterious creature Gato brought with him from the Earth. A princess who doesnft seem to be getting any time to shine but has been quite busy, like becoming a cat, or becoming Yuzu-nee, or becoming a silicon lifeform. Shefs hoping very much for a speedy release for the remake.


>Incidentally, in the EXTRA world where the information world has become more mainstream than the physical world, she isn't so all-powerful.
>In the information world, legends become truth, so the deifications of natural phenomena, the so-called "Gods" often have powers greater than that of the original natural phenomena.
>Still, there's no mistake about her being on the broken level if she gained her sanity back.
>Her authority of "reducing all abilities of any target to a sixth if the stage is the moon" should be an effective countermeasure against other enemies on the same broken tier.
>Since itfs a conceptual numerical alteration, there's no means of avoiding it while on the moon. Even BB who became the Moon Cell is subject to this restriction.

>If we're talking only about EXTRA and CCC, she's about the only one who can bring the Golden Fur White Face down "to circumstances where its possible to defeat her, however little the chances may be".

Translation is a bit iffy in some spots, but that's pretty much the quote.

He says if she got her sanity back there's be no question of her power, and she'd be able to bring Golden Fur White Face down to levels where it might be possible to win, but it's still very unlikely. Her 1/6th modifier he mentioned cuts all parameters on the enemy down to 1/6th of what they are originally.
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>>100153162

Her power would be equal to the Sun wouldn't it?

> Her original source, Amaterasu, Golden White Face (金色白面, Konjiki Hakumen?), is the deification of the sun. She still exists despite being distantly ancient, and being a Divine Spirit of her class allows for the time axis to have almost no bearing on her. If someone were to look upon her normally in her mausoleum, they would be burnt to a cinder after seeing a huge sun. Hakuno, encountering her within a dream, sees a large golden-furred, nine-tailed Divine Spirit, and they are able to interact with her. Amaterasu is only the source of Tamamo-no-Mae, so that is not the form she would take on if she were to return to her full power.
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>>100153219
I don't recall him ever saying she's a fake, but even then that doesn't mean her power is greater or less than one, but rather that is something she could not become.
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>>100153012
>Can no longer go witch mode, in fact her witch mode is her persona.
>Only one that really has a chance of stopping AkuHomu despite how slim that may be

Plot armor so heavy she's like a paladin.
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>>100153260
Some more interviews

>Ultimate One [Skill]
>White Berserker's skill.
>A skill that brings up one's specs a notch higher than your opponent by receiving backup from the planet. Or it should have, had it not been for her Master, Gatoufs misunderstanding.
If it was on Earth or if the opponent were a product of the Earth itfd activate without penalty, but on the Moon Cell there are restrictions to its duration and it seems that there are beings there of a scale it canft exceed.
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>>100153195
Hahaha.

If you think of it that way, you're right.
Madoka went from being completely useless to completely forgotten by everyone to completely forgotten important wise.

>>100153211
>So planetary mind-manipulation
Only concerning Madoka.
If X character doesn't know about Madoka, she can't do shit.
At best, she can only remove the memory of Madoka from what we've been shown.

She's even lower than her original form.
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>>100153301
>In the true route of Fate/Extra CCC, Kiara Sessyoin underwent the transformation into a demon, but failed to reach the level of True Demons.

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Demons#True_Demons
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>>100153359
>Blood Sisters
>The Noble Phantasmc-like thing that white Berserker uses. It comes from the greatest attack of Waruceid from the Melty Blood fighting game.
>In Extra, it does high physical damage along with adding the gmoonh abnormal status. A Servant afflicted with the gmoonh status will suffer from reduced STR and CON.
>Itfs more of a property of hers than a Noble Phantasm.
>A world configuration where the relationship between the moon and the Earth is utilized.
>Originating from the brain of the moon and after many years becoming the touch of the Earth, this avatar possesses an Earthly authority while being a copy of the moon.
>She simultaneously embodies the basic rule of the moon and the basic rule of the Earth, and she can use the discord when both are on the same level as a means of attack.
>One is the authority of bringing the surrounding environment to her side (the Earth side) – terraforming attraction.
>The gravity of the moon is only a sixth of the Earthfs.
>That doesnft change in even the cyber world for instance (all information in the Moon Cell is drawn to the mass of the Moon Cell core. This is thought of as being the gravity in cyber space), and everything in the Moon Cell abides by the rules of the Moon.
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>>100141707
>Pucci
>Anywhere NEAR Multiversal
No

>Haruka
>Low multiversal
No

>Ajimu & Medaka
>Galactic
PFFFFTHAHAHAHAHAHA

>Sailor Moon
>Multiversal

No.

5/10
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>>100153435
>Her body embodies that concept and anything appearing before her, who is on the Earthen side, is reduced to a sixth of its power. However high onefs magic resistance is, this is an unavoidable rule of the world.
(If the battle were on the Earth, this would turn into an authority which would let her become a notch higher than her opponent).
>c.But, this is all conceptual, so itfs a bit hard to understand.
>From the point of view of the Earth, the other sidefs just became a sixth of what it as, and from the point of view of the moon, the other sidefs become six times what it was. It could be taken either way depending on how you look at it, but to be clear, it reduces the power of the opponent to a sixth.
>Itfs easier to process if you think of it as her being able to boost herself when she is on the Earth, and being able to impart a penalty to her opponent when she is on the moon.
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>>100152568
Let me put this into perspective in a way I pray you can comprehend.

One of the lowest beings on the chart is Walpurgis Night. It's durable as fuck and it's summoned familiars alone are wrecking machines. It's presence brings destruction and is wholly capable of destroying the world in a matter of days.

Then we have Shiroe. Smart as he is, he and his SUPPORT spells are not a threat, especially alone. Honestly a level capped Rudy might be a greater threat.
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>>100153260
Okay what I am reading out of this Arc loses even with sanity and might have a chance if she has the territorial advantage of being on the moon.
Is that about correct?
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>>100153440
Pucci is a universal resetter/creator, isn't that a multiverse?
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>>100153440
Here, updated it slightly from the one we made a week ago. because this whole scale is fucking annoying me.

Moved up Battler like this thread discussed, placed Ideon like that other chart did and nothing else was touched.

>>100153496
>wow, it's jucking nothing, the explanation.pnp
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>>100153542

Pretty much.
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>>100153592
My question is still unanswered...
Why is Medaka higher than Goku?
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>>100153440
>>100153548
It's not multiversal. I don't know how people are STILL confusing the tiers, the line represents the BOTTOM of the tier. Also their current placement is temporary, the markers are just there as placeholders until the chart is modified.
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>>100153657
Dunno, want me to change it?
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>>100153301
True Demons are not born from human desires.

Kiara whose powers derive from human lust immediately disqualifies her from being a True Demon.
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>>100153680
>>100153657
Here, is this good?
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>>100153657

Because there was a chapter where she went flying around the universe and did some bullshit amount of stuff.

I don't have the page where this is stated sadly. she should be slightly lower than goku

Also change Goku's SS to SSJ3
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>>100153686
Pretty much what I meant; it's not that she's better or worse, but that's never something she could become in the first place even if she could get close.
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>>100153727
Way too low. She blew up the Moon and arguably has a greater power output than Ajimu, who blew up a star without effort.
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>>100153728
Well being an SS is involves him getting to SSJ3.
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>>100153728
>she should be slightly lower than goku
>Also change Goku's SS to SSJ3
I agree with these.
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>>100153780
How about now?
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>>100153592
>wow, it's jucking nothing, the explanation.pnp
I'd rather spend as little time as possible arguing easy points. I was being brief. You want to further explain why it's a retarded idea to include Shiroe, be my guest.
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>>100153836
get rid of kumagawa and homura already
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>>100104192
>Medaka in raw power. Uhhh no.
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>>100104192
>index character
>above Goku
Meh, there's too much wrong with powerlevel charts to care about something like that.
But seriously, Index characters aren't afraid of aiming downwards in fear of blowing up the planet
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>>100153932

In the latest LN one of the character destroyed the world.
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>>100153874
He was used as a joke but sure thing.
Homura has to stay because she's an easy scale for newfags.
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>still no Homucifer
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>>100154035
Detail her power and I'll fucking do it.
Oh wait, Godoka's power is vague as fuck and so is her's.

So fuck off.
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>>100153422
Kirby can only eat things that he can fit in his mouth, and there's no guarantee he'll actually copy the ability.
Plus if we're counting the 2hus and the puffball, does that mean we're counting vidya characters? Because with Vidya, you have to draw a line between what they can canon do and what they can do in gameplay.
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>>100154029
Kumagawa should be a bit below Alucard. Seriously.
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>>100154110

No he should not be on the chart. we have already discussed this
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>>100154096
Kirby actually only partially immitates the ability to a certain degree.
And he can only gain one power at a time meaning he would lose whatever power he has for a stronger one.

He's as strong as Kyon.
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>>100153994
Ooooooooooh
Vegeta in the first encounter was going to blow up the planet long into the fight
Goku overpowered the attack

Indexverse isn't anywhere near DBZverse
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>>100154164
Not that guy but why exactly?
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>>100154168

If you don't know anything about the Latter parts of the Index series then you can't comment about them.

>>100154207

He can't win was one of the reasons IIRC, there was a few more but i don't remember them
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>>100154168
>shounen logic
They ALMOST everything.
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>>100154207
He has power over every minor character but constantly loses.
It was used as a joke for why he wasn't in the special tier and was so long on the chart.

People don't agree though, so meh.
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>>100153630
That is hardcore!
Should we add fluffy tailed big busted curved sun goddess?
Question remains if it in that case would not be better to regard her as type?
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>>100154285
So low*

Anything else that needs change or anyone else that should be on the chart?
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>>100153806
>>100153782
>>100153806
SS is a general term for what he is, the levels are irrelevant. If anything it should be Super Saiyan God as his strongest one so far, but it doesn't really matter since he's invariably a Super Saiyan of some variety.

>>100153836
Seems about right.
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>>100154348
I have some suggestions, but is late and the thread is dying anyway. Maybe if make another thread tomorrow.
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>>100153680
>>100153727
>>100153836
>>100154029
Goku is weak against magic and heart disease.

Meanwhile, Medaka successfully defeated the concepts of Light and Darkness on a conceptual plane, defeated alien civilizations in a galactic war, defeated a God King in his own universe where he made all the rules yet still lose, managed to enter the realm of the 4th wall which was Iihiko's territory and make him start taking the fight seriously, etc.

Sorry but Goku actually deserves to be lower than Medaka.
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>>100154311

Her classification is "Divine Spirit" not a type.

Honestly i have no fucking idea where you would put her.

Somewhere Inbetween Goku and TTGL, i guess?
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>>100153904
>Medaka in raw power. Uhhh no.
Actually, she's on the furthest left hand side of the right hand bracket, suggesting a raw power fighter with vast amounts of non-standard power. Which is pretty much perfect. She invariably fights with raw power, even though she has a tone of hax up her sleeve.
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>>100154418
Just list them all before the thread dies.

>>100154419
So higher than goku or lower than goku?
I'm getting conflicted opinions between those two.
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Goku needs to go Super Saiyan 3 and yell super loud for a long ass time just to rip a tiny hole in a dimension.

Goku ain't the hot shit you think he is, DBZfags.

He's a chump when it comes to opponents with magic or dimensional powers.
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>>100154512

Equal to or above Goku.
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>>100154419
Here, just for you.

Also, should I simply lower Goku instead?
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>>100154253
>>100154285
Kumagawa actually has had multiple victories, it's just that he identifies them as 'losses' because he didn't actually succeed in what he set out to acheive. In terms of raw power, he's easily planetary level, since he erased colour from the whole planet, and possibly the planet itself.
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>>100154663
Alright, so where would you place him?
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>>100154661
No, if you lower Goku, he'll be lower than Giant Naked Rei. And that's not right. It gets difficult because the chart has been stuck at a specific size for a very long time and all these guys in the middle are getting bunched together when there should be some pretty large gaps inbetween them.
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>>100154716
Equal to Accelerator. He'll be fine there.
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>>100154663
Here you go.
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>>100154767
You know there are time stoppers and stuff that blow him up just by looking him right?
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>>100154780
Too low.
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>>100154767
Alright, here you go.
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>>100154767
Goddamn it.

Raised him a dozen few pixels
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>>100154512
The most relevant should be Turn A Gundam (Full powered), supposedly it could destroy everything in a radius similar to the distance from Earth to Jupiter. I'd put it at the same level as Nono.
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>>100154839
>You know there are time stoppers and stuff that blow him up just by looking him right?
He can erase his own death even after being killed. You need more potent hax than timestop.
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>>100154905
I think you should extend the canvas (assumming you're editing on photoshop) another 100 pixels to give your self some room. And give some space underneath Goku. Izayoi and Rei should not be that close.
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>>100154937
Alright, I'll add that.

Soul power for his power icon?
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>>100154987
What about after he erases the death?
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>>100155033
What about it? He can erase things with a thought, even time. All he has to do is think them away in the time between recovery and their timestop.
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>>100155025
Is a robot.
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>>100155121
So... weapon user? There's no Robot class.
I honestly don't know what power he has.
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>>100155117
You don't get my point. He's still powerless after all those gimmicks compared to the people in the chart.
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>>100154481
Yeah well was just that the incarnation and power of the sun part is fitting for a type considering aswell that her power is in that area aswell divine spirit feels a bit wrong.
Especially after they in the past said those were below Arc and types.
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>>100155218
Er, compared to who? I wasn't saying he should go anywhere near the top, just around planet level because he can erase an entire planet, as well as concepts and death. Not sure what the problem is here.
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>>100155294
I forgot to ask where I can find that exerpt?
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>>100155170
Weapon user. Basically, it works with 2 black hole engines (unlimited energy), can produce an unlimited amount of nanomachines that consume everything they find, can teleport, can regenerate after being destroyed, shit's overpowered yo.
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>>100155298
what "planet" level?
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>>100154663
Oh wow, Kumagawafags fanwanking out of their ass like usual.

Kumagawa erasing a planet? Don't even kid yourself. Kumagawa can't even erase the moon.
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Wouldn't the chart work better as a "food chain"?
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>>100155450
The level at which characters can destroy planets. It's pretty self-explanatory. The new chart even has it marked.
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>>100154987
Actually time powers work against Kumagawa.

Kumagawa couldn't do jack shit against an enemy's powers that manipulated time to turn him back into a baby.
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>>100155117
>He can erase things with a thought, even time. All he has to do is think them away in the time between recovery and their timestop.

Pure fanwank and Kumagawafags proving once again how cancerous they are.
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>>100155547,1
>Kumagawa couldn't do jack shit against an enemy's powers that manipulated time to turn him back into a baby.
That's why it said 'timestop', not turning back time.

>>100155547,2
Carrying your butthurt into foolz? You're so delightfully pathetic.
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>>100155547,3
The fact Kumagawa can't do anything against time rewinding and forwarding means he shouldn't be able to do anything against time stopping either because time stopping is also a form of time manipulation.

And this means Kumagawa is powerless against time manipulation.
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>>100155547,3
Says the Kumagawafag pulling shit out of his ass.

>He can erase things with a thought, even time. All he has to do is think them away in the time between recovery and their timestop.

Why don't you provide citation and a chapter where this happened?



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