I just finished watching Welcome to the NHK. Would anyone like to have a thread about it?
As an American NEET, I felt I could relate to it very well. In fact, I think it's interesting how, even though our cultures our very different, some things are always the same, like the shame of being a NEET. Not just the fact that it's shameful, but the way that feels and the reasons for being one. Even just from watching the anime I could tell whoever wrote Satou was a NEET and understood the mindset perfectly. One day I intend to read the novel too, when I get the time to do so, but right now I have a lot more anime to watch.
I heard the original author, Tatsuhiko Takimoto, went back to being a NEET a little while after the anime aired. Is that still the case what is he doing now?
Definitely read the novel and the manga, they are a lot different than the anime. They are also relatively short, so they shouldn't take long.
I heard Yamazaki's character is a lot different in the original. That's okay with me, I think the best way to do an adaptation is to tell the best story you can with the source material, not to be as faithful as possible.
Anyway, I will read the novel eventually, and I look forward to it. I felt like the story and all the characters was very realistic and relateable except for "Who is Misaki and what does she see in him?". But people do get abused in real life, so it wasn't that unrealistic, I just couldn't relate to it. Good show and sounds like it's even better in the novel.
I heard that the novel has Sato having a little bit of a drug problem, ordering some legally questionable things on legally questionable websites, and that the descriptions of his high seem too detailed and too accurate to have been written by an author that doesn't partake in them regularly.
I may be remembering that entirely.
I heard the same thing, and that's easy for me to relate to too. NEET/hikki seems to go hand in hand with addictive personalities. I only do cigarettes or alcohol from time to time, but that's only because of money. If I had the money, I would probably get invovled in worse drugs. In college, I did try weed a couple times and it gave me a series of bad trips. I mention that because Satou himself, and presumably Takimoto, dropped out during their first year. I did too.
Anyway, point being, drugs or other offensive things don't offend me too much. I'm a /pol/ack so I loved seeing the 2channel references in the anime too.
Yeah the book gets way trippier than just talking furniture.
Yes Sato takes legal drugs very often, and shares them with Yamazaki
Some other differences are that senpai's character is barely existent, they go on Misaki's church and see her making a speech (she mumbles a lot and everyone just stares at her, afterwards she doesn't talk to anyone), some arcs don't exist (group suicide and mmorpg), they don't really finish the game and never advertise it (the last boss - it's an rpg instead of a dating sim iirc - just turns into a black screen with some text that's supposed to be deep)
I felt that overall the novel was much darker than the anime
I've read both the novel and watched the show, and Yamazaki's character is pretty similar in both, it's just that he has more screentime and is more fleshed out as a character in the anime. In the novel, there's much less focus on his departure and it's not nearly as sad when he leaves as it is in the anime.
The novel was a more focused, shorter story than the anime, which works out to its favor when comparing them. The arcs added in for the adaptation were hit-or-miss; I didn't like the MMO arc but I ended up enjoying the Mouse Road one. However, I felt like they did a good job with making the added material fit in with the original story and feel like they were actually part of it instead of random side adventures.
The animation was atrocious in some episodes but it did make up for that with a great OST.
Overall a good show. I'd rank it equal to the novel, despite its flaws.
I watched this anime at a time when I frequented 420chan more than 4chan, and I happened to be a regularly robotripping neet
I literally cleaned up my act after watching this shit...
NEET doesn't necessarily mean you are someone like Satou. Hell plenty of people in society are NEETs. Being a NEET with social anxiety/schizo/crippling depression (or any mental illness) is an entirely different story.
I find it slightly funny that when I first finished NHK several years ago I told myself I was going to get my shit together yet here I am in 2014 in the same position as when I finished the show. Time flies, huh.
The anime ending felt less dark because of the uplifting music and the hopeful tone in the character's voices. Even though the resolution of the story and the dialogue at the end were nearly identical to those of the novel, those things gave the show's ending a more positive vibe than that of the original.
True, yeah, any different type of person can be a NEET, but I was kind of comforted how similar his story was to mine. He became a college dropout in his first semester, like I did, and he was 21 during the anime, which is the same age I am now. However, I was talking more about the feelings of shame and the "stuck" feeling you get every time you remember who you are. It's funny how in the second to last episode, he finally gets a job because his allowance gets cut off. That's sort of how I feel. If it was life or death, I could get a job and stop being a NEET. But I simply don't give a shit.
If it makes you feel any better the author is a NEET who lives off the rights to the novel
Or at least that's how it was when he wrote the novel's afterword
The only part I didn't like from the anime were the conspiracy/talking furniture parts. It probably makes sense in the novel, but it didn't translate well in the anime IMHO.
I did like how the MMO and MLM arcs tied into each other with that girl's oniichan and how he went and got a job when she got arrested when he almost starved to death. It'd be interesting if they did a second adaptation, maybe with a more "moe" artstyle and cutting out superfluous parts or adding more original material to the story.
Is there any good place to buy the translated novel? Bookdepository failed me.
>That's sort of how I feel. If it was life or death, I could get a job and stop being a NEET. But I simply don't give a shit.
Yep, that's exactly how I feel too. I don't know what's worse being a NEET and never leaving the house or being a slave to a 9 to 5 job working for minimum wage.
You can find it on the internet for free pretty easily
Yes, that's what I've heard, but I've also heard he wrote a second novel/manga and it became a live action movie? Any truth to that? Either way I hope he does well for himself.
I think the anime is wonderful as it is, and doesn't need a remake. It would only benefit from a proper BD release that will never happen.
It's true, but I'm a fan of physical copies.
Group suicide was my favorite arc in the anime, since it's the first time in the story Satou-kun ever stands up and becomes a leader in something. Even though it kind of crumbles in the end and he becomes the only acutally suicdal one of the bunch. And I love what his friends say to him to save him, "you're more worthless than me" and "you're too pathetic to kill yourself". It sounds so depressing, but it's the truth, he's lucky to have great friends like that.
I'v only read the manga and watch the anime. It fucked me up pretty hard though, everything was on spot and the endings were both very depressing.
that was a few months ago, i'm still a neet although I do go out about once a week to buy food. Slowly running out of monney, I wonder if like in the anime i'll end up working to not starve, or actually let myself die. Or maybe i'll commit suicide directly. But I don't like the idea of dying. It seems troublesome. It's like, I don't really want to die but living is pretty much a chore if you see what I mean.
Couldn't really relate to Satou because I was never a NEET, but damn they did such a good job with Yamazaki. They captured his cynicism perfectly. The whole 3DPD conspiracy thing is a mere facade for his own insecurity. Every time I think of Yamazaki I think of /a/ and its cynicism as well. Eventually we'll all get married and lead normal lives and NHK makes it painfully clear that it's human nature to integrate into the masses for the sake of survival.
I didn't particularly like the suicide arcs since it felt very 'off' and in general not as depressing it should've been. The MMO arc was great though - Misaki was so cute.
I got this feeling from Satou-kun in the anime that he knew he was making everyone close to him miserable, including his mother, but he just didn't give a shit cause he could keep coasting by. That's where I am right now. You know you're a terrible person, but it's easy that way.
I've had this feeling ever since high school that I don't want to die, because if you die then you stop existing and can never undo it. Nonexistence scares me. That's my inner fedora speaking. If I ever started believing in god again I would probably be suicdal, but if you're depressed and not suicidal, no one seems to take you seriously.
> I don't know what's worse being a NEET and never leaving the house or being a slave to a 9 to 5 job working for minimum wage.
Be happy you have the choice to go get that 9 to 5 job.
When I was 16 I was taken out of school for a year due to a major surgery, over the course of this time and due to the events I developed MDD(Major Depressive Disorder) and GAD (General Anxiety Disorder). Socializing even with family and functioning in public was an every day challenge, shakes, trembles, studdering, sweats, mental breakdowns, you name it. Being outside of my room and even speaking to my parents was terrifying. I barely made it through my last year in high school when I did go back. I stumbled upon NHK toward the end of this last year and it helped me through it a lot.
After about 2 years of working at it now I'm back in education(college) and finally managed to land a part time job. Every day is still a challenge and it hasn't improved by any marginal amount, meds help a bit.
I guess what I'm trying to say is realize that you don't have it as bad as it can be. It really irritates me when people wear this "NEET" badge on their sleeve like they're proud or okay with it when it was something I struggled for 2 years to escape and still fight off my psychological issues daily.
I relate more to Satou than Yamazaki since I *am* a NEET, but I was lucky since I had a couple close friends like Yamazaki before. They weren't anime tards, but they were nerds in their own way.
I like what you said, Yamazaki is basically a normalfag who lived out his dream of being a nerd for a short time. Eventually reality called and he had to go back to his regular, boring life. Satou is sort of the opposite. He's a former normalfag who succumbed to being a NEET. When his other friends Yamazaki/Misaki/Senpai introduced him to stuff, it was like he was living out what a NEET or hikki is "supposed to do" instead of because he truly enjoyed it.
Don't even wonder. I'm working a shitty minimum wage job right now solely because I have to take care of myself. It's the worst having to deal with stupid people all day, being taken advantage of by the company perpetually, and having to grit my teeth to being treated like everyone's shit scape goat for everything that goes wrong, ever.
You are never paid as much as you're worth and you give up everything to lic k boots.
If I could be a NEET, I would. Hell, I already don't do anything but /a/, anime, and work, so friends are out of the question. And after meeting with the scum of the world and smiling at them while they treat you like crap day by day, you will realize that you don't even want to be most people's friend, as if you didn't realize that before.
No, be glad someone cares enough about you to pay your expenses. There are families here that don't give a shit. The money all goes to rent and food, anyway, so it's more like just a big, agonizing waste of time and effort.
Only a fool would choose my position over being NEET. No matter what your relatives think of you, don't become a slave like the rest of us.
Some people are in such a mental state that if they also had to work to live, then they would rather just die.
You seem live you've been through a lot and still are going through shit, but what i'm getting at is this : If for someone the simple act of being alive and existing is suffering in itself and the only pleasure is distraction from life (drugs, alcool, even media if it allows you to escape), then if they had to add more suffering to pay themselves the relief of the initial suffering, it would kinda all come down to "might as well die".
Offcourse you could also deal with the initial reason as to why existing in itself is painfull for that person, but that's another issue.
What i'm getting at is that if I had to "slave to a 9 to 5" job to keep living the way i'm living now, then i'd rather simply stop living.
He's written several more novels (NHK wasn't his first, either), but they aren't as popular as NHK is.
>No, be glad someone cares enough about you to pay your expenses. There are families here that don't give a shit. The money all goes to rent and food, anyway, so it's more like just a big, agonizing waste of time and effort.
That's funny because I picked up on exactly that during the part where Yamazaki leaves. Yamazaki had a shitty family, who tried to control his life and wouldn't help him to achieve his dreams. Compared to that, Satou's mom and dad gave him money to live alone until his dad was literally hospitalized and they had no funds left. Satou was either ungrateful or outright hated his family, even though they were so good to him. Us NEETs are shitty people like that.
That is the same shit I've been dealing with practically all my life. I have never even gotten a call for an interview. I've applied at jobs for 2 years straight now and no luck. Fuck I can't even go outside and around my neighborhood without wanting to have a heart attack from anxiety. Trust me, I hate this shit and wouldn't wish it on anyone.
I know what you mean. I just hate sitting here day after day in my room knowing that I am burden and making everyone around me depressed due to how much I've failed. Guess I'm trying to change to please other people instead of myself. Sage for blogging.
Satou and the other NEET went to the point of starvation until they finally got a job. I doubt you'd let yourself die before you got a 9-to-5 job for survival. However, the fact is not everyone has a logical/sympathetic reason for being NEET like the guy you're responding to does.
It's not a badge of honor or a "le edgy" community, but it does help give me a sense of identity after three years of failure. People underestimate what fitting into a group feels like for you.
ITT: NEET angst.
Op here. Maybe I should put my sage on since I've been blogging this whole thread but I'm trying to talk about the show, so maybe not? Polite sage for meta.
I dont mean this as in an insulting way as I'm not trying to start an argument, but that just comes off as lazy, ungrateful, and immature to me.
I don't believe any of those are sufficient reasons to not live a normal life.
Even after all I've done over these last 2 years, I still have family relationships that are fucked up because of my condition and I absolutely hate it. To willingly choose to live this way just seems outrageous to me. I'd kill to be rid of my psychological issues, I stupidly made some attempts on my own life
>Every time I think of Yamazaki I think of /a/ and its cynicism as well. Eventually we'll all get married and lead normal lives
You really believe that? You wouldn't believe what grandpa virgins show up on /a/ sometimes.
Keep trying man, it took me hundreds of applications and I finally got one. Even though the very fact of many of these jobs is absolutely terrifying, I just forced myself to fill it out anyway and now I'm starting on Tuesday
Sometimes I wish I had a this good reason of being a NEET.
I recommend everyone here read Legend of the Strongest Man Kurosawa.
you really don't.. please re think your mindset
The thing is it's not willingly, and it's also not forced, it's kind of just an in-between position of crushing apathy. Takimoto probably felt this very strongly himself because he communicated that "Stuck and why the fuck?" feeling across very well through his main characters.
I'm not really a NEET (still in education) but NHK gave me second thoughts, if going to Uni was the right thing to do.
I appreciate my family supporting me, but it's high time to give back to them (or at least to pay for my own shit), so I'm rather annoyed that I can't do that yet. And getting a job with a shitty resume like mine will be hard.
I think being that terrible person is better than living with no goal, and pure survival is everything.
If someone cares, take it and try and become a better person for them. The alternative is working so hard for no thanks except your own survival. You can't handle going to work tomorrow? Too bad. Do it or die. Car accident? Welcome to debt and not eating for a couple days every week, all because you needed to rush to work on time to avoid getting chewed at by your boss that one night. Mental breakdown? You're on your own. Good luck with hospital bills.
Forget the dentist, and car insurance becomes too much, so you need to drive illegally. And all you do is sleep and work. Literally working your ass off for barely any scraps. You literally have to choose between rent and food.
Beer becomes the one thing you can rely on. It's cheaper than most food, anyway. And anime is free.
That's life on your own. At least as a NEET, you have a fighting chance.
Regardless of if you prefer the manga, anime or novel, I think everyone can agree the OST of the anime is pretty good
If people are paying for you to live, they want to see you get better, not for them, but for you. Share the sentiment and become better for yourself. Learn to love yourself.
Just want to drop by and say that this anime made me see myself when I was a NEET and that this show, Haruhi and TTGL got me out of being a NEET/Hikki. 2006-2007 was the golden age of anime.
They got the right people (Round Table feat Nino) to do the OP and ED. I liked the ED very much. Besides that I can't really recall anything notable from the OST besides the Purinrin.
You don't like Youkoso Hitori Bocchi?
There's nothing seriously or clinically wrong with the majority of you guys here. Most just find a lot of comfort in relating to the characters and others in the thread. Nothing is stopping you from going out the next day and working towards a change.
Secondly, Misaki and Satou both had some heavy problems that stopped them from being functional better versions of themselves.
Yamazaki didn't have any strong psychological issues that stopped him from functioning everyday, just problems with not knowing what to do/growing up and family pressures. Accordingly, he worked his ass off in order to figure himself out.
Whatever you do, only get jobs you're qualified for. Never go minimum wage.
No, I didn't find that memorable for some reason. The one track I could remember to a degree was this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vwzTOKTySM.
They did a good job with conveying that 'loser vibe' with the OST. But yeah, I just didn't find the NHK OST that great, sorry.
I always see Haruhi on posts like these. Why is that? What about Haruhi saved you?
> conveying that 'loser vibe'
Tracks that do this are generally going to be much simpler, I agree it did do a good job doing what it was meant to do.
Ah, yes, the fweet whistle.
It was a sort of melancholic peaceful. Like you're just having to be okay with living in filth.
There was nothing clinically wrong with Satou, that was proven. Misaki maybe since she was abused as a child, but Satou was just a regular kid who had a panic attack in college. Maybe this was different in the novel, I don't know, but I can relate to that myself.
And I agree with you that nothing is stopping me from going out tomorrow and getting a job. Even in a recession. When it was a matter of life and death, Satou and the MMOfag went out and found a job. It's just a matter of being scared. It's complacency.
If you're diagnosed with something, you're already a lot braver than a lot of us are. I refuse to see a doctor so I don't even know if there's anything wrong with me or not.
He had anxiety issues but that was just it really
His trips weren't even caused by just anxiety in the novel, there were drugs involved
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>dat shinji icon
I like that guy
I sure love pretentious blogshit
Though, trips caused by anxiety do exist. And seeing that in the anime was relatable, even if it was supposed to be drugs.
You sound like an old man.
I'm not trying to start a 'who's more fucked up' competition or anything, sorry if that's the vibe I gave off.
All I can say is I just urge you to start working towards a change, as comfy as it may be. Time is everything, short and simple
No wonder the trips felt so out of place in the anime. Trips that "just happen" do exist, but not the way they were shown in the show.
When he fought the suicide monster in the last episode, I assume he just had a bad case of chuunibyou.
That's the message I ultimately got. If it's between life and death, a lazy NEET can change, so stop being a lazy NEET and light a fire under your ass.
It was a great scene. I don't think it should be remembered any differently than as just that.
Actually that one wasn't caused by drugs
He was just trying to make Misaki see what he wanted her to see
If she had something to blame other than herself, she wouldn't want to suicide anymore was his logic
He was at wits end but he wasn't actually hallucinating there
Dunno probably because it came out around the same year as NHK? And that the main reason I was a hikki/neet in the first place is because I feel ashamed of myself for a lot of reasons and Haruhi basically made me think that it's okay to be weird, something like that.
But mostly because I was at my bottom during that year and I managed to turn my life around thanks to these shows which I really loved that time.
I can really relate. All three of those have a special place in my heart as well.
I am old lol. I'm 27. Now, married.
Sato was my age when the anime aired which made me relate to him much more.
Oh shit. I'm Satou's age now. Still, I can relate while being at the bottom still.
I wasn't criticizing it. He reminded me of Okabe Rintarou there. It was a very oddly triumphant moment for him even with the suicidal stuff and all. I'm glad he finally got to do something dramatic and interesting.
>People like us don't get to have dramatic deaths.
That fucking line.
Is there some aspect of being unemployed/dropout that leads people to anime just because that's what you're "supposed to do" when you've gone to the dogs? I mean I love it, but that's how it sort of was for Satou, and it's how it was for me.
Wow, well I guess there's a Misaki-chan out there for everyone! Keep hope alive.
Same, and as I said earlier, I relate even more to him since I dropped out at the same time he did. It's nice to know I'm not a huge freak.
I never had the money for college, but you are definitely not a freak. If I did, I might have dropped out, too!
He was so right. I think Satou had 2 really great friends. Yamazaki and Misaki said the perfect things at the right time. I loved how they told him the truth instead of some shitty "Don't kill yourself you're a wonderful person" pandering bullshit.
There wasn't any Misaki for me though when I was at my bottom. I was alone and dealt with it by myself.
My now wife could never understand how bad my life was at that time.
Probably time, since you have a lot of time when you're a NEET that you have time for almost anything. I'm not going to call myself an alcoholic but I drink almost everyday when I was a NEET and my life was that, anime/movies and MMO.
>when I get the time to do so
you're a NEET what else you've got to do
Honestly, though, it's not "school is hard", it's the people. I can't stand people anymore. It probably goes back to my unreal expectations of good nature and the existence of friends I got from watching anime all my life. When I realized just how stupid, self-centered, and hurtful they are, I just want to spend more time with 2d.
Being at NEET sucks especially now that I'm 26 It's like things have barely changed for the past 10 years.
Great show though I've read the book/manga and watch the anime.
Yeah being a NEET really brings reality to the term "manchild". I feel emotionally stunted.
No, Manchild is someone who lives who with his mom. While neet can live home, theres also neets like the MC in welcome to the nhk who lives alone in an apartment.
Didn't read thread but,
>I think it's interesting how, even though our cultures our very different, some things are always the same, like the shame of being a NEET.
You think it is interesting that feeling shame for being worthless is cross cultural? What fucking culture would promote or be proud of non-contributors?
I'm an introvert, and I love nothing more than the time I spend alone playing video games, reading manga, and watching anime... but I keep my room clean, take dirty dishes to the sink and soak them. I wash my clothes and shower regularly. It isn't hard to be responsible.
And yes, I have a job. My first job was being a fucking waiter. I hated it, I loathed having to force an awkward smile and listen to society tell me their problems, and complain about the food, and not tip. Even so, most of my co-worker's were pretty cool. I got better at faking "being nice and sociable" and made some money.
I'm still an introvert. I'm still awkward. People make me uncomfortable, almost as uncomfortable as I would be rotting in my room, pitying myself. I'm not trying to be an asshole but I'm an /a/non after all. Welcome to the NHK is a fantastic anime, but too many times I see /a/nons thinking it glorifies their NEET lifestyle. It is suppose to inspire you to change.
I also believe in you guys. Go turn in some applications, not for me, do it for your waifu. For your parents. For yourself.
Oh, I know that feeling. I'm finally going to college again and sorting out my problems, picking up sports after not doing anything for pretty much 10 years and now I have a girlfriend that wants to fly over the atlantic ocean to live with me.
Every morning, I still feel like staying at home and watching anime, not doing anything. Then I remind myself that I'd hate myself more for not going out and that seems to work. Maybe one day, I'll be a normalfag and like it. Wouldn't be as bad as spending years in my apartment again, being a literal waste of oxygen.
OR OR OR, how about get out of your apartment and get a job that isn't too stressful and use the opportunities and weekend to discover yourself. You can even go back to college without having to pay squat! To normalfags I live a productive and normal life, but no one knows when I get back home I plop down in front of my computer and watch anime for inhumanely long periods of time.
Why does every NHK thread start with or devolve into pathetic blogshit?
People self-insert a lot and it's a pretty old series
OP could still have started the thread on a different note seeing as the series might as well be new to him.
Anyway, I don't know why people like this series yet say they'll "eventually" get around to reading the manga or novel. If they can't even take a step towards doing that, how are they supposed to take a step towards bettering themselves?
>get a job
I have watched it until ep 9 or 10 after his mom visited him and Misaki.
It was pretty boring to be honest, does it get better?
On a side note, I was able to relate to Shinji so I thought I could somehow watch NHK but I guess I was wrong
Couldn't have said it better myself
Its not exactly supposed to be exciting. Eva was able to have action scenes and focus on Shinji's psychology while this is actually /supposed/ to feel boring at times.
I would say I recommend watching until the 21st episode since it really hits you hard, but at that point you might as well finish it.
Fuck you nancy raygun you cunt
I want to get that far, but I can't muster the strength to watch it any more because I identify with Satou too much.
Because I have a lot of anime to watch first
OMG IS SOMEONE WATCHING ME?
THIS IS NO FUN, THE PROPS, THE HAIR, EVERYTHING
Thread, don't go yet.