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>Japan: Artificial servant girl sparks sexism row

Japan does it again

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-25680951
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>>100092461
ask Heinlein
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>lack of sensitivity to global gender issues.
This is rich. Considering what many people would intend to do with an eventual robot, this is pretty crass as well.
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>>100092461

One step closser to having your own YKK robot.
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>/a/ - Anime & Manga
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>>100092854
On-Topic, the entire japanese AI industry are obviously Otaku.
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well at least it's other japs commenting.

nice of BBC pointing out it was a female artist
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>>100092461
And if it was a servant boy nobody would think twice.
Fucking double standard feminist bullshit.
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>>100092908
Otaku culture != anime/manga

We kinda have another board for that.

To make it on-topic, it's best to turn this thread into a Robotgirl thread.
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That's like saying doing housework at all is degrading. Who cares if it's a man or woman doing it? Someone has to clean.
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>>100092987
I want to feet Nano snacks.
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>>100093020
But it should be the woman, its what theyre made for
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>>100092461
>It was created by a female artist to show how artificial intelligence could affect our daily lives.
>created by a female artist
>female artist
It might have been slightly bad if it were by some guy artist, but this is just silly.

>"a gynoid robot with hollow eyes"
>hollow eyes
Yeah, that's just like your opinion (wo)man.

>Defending the choice of cover image, the head of the journal's editorial board said it was the overwhelming choice of society members from the 100 entries submitted.
Good. Don't let some asspained individual put pressure on you.
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>>100093073
Just like how men are made for working and dying in wars. Gotcha.
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>>100092461
So it because it a woman with a broom this is an outrage? What about the implications of robot servitude, that a much larger issue.
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I want a servant bara...
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>>100093077
so, typical feminazi bullshit then...
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>>100093077
Wouldn't it make sense that her eyes are hollow since she's a robot?
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>>100093148
>not being born in Europe, 1895 and having your entire generations dying uselessly in trenches

step up kohai
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Is there any scans of this magazine?
I don't care if it's translated or not.
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I like that it appears since she's plugged in to charge and can't clean, rather than do nothing, she chooses to use the time to improve her understanding of her master(s) by reading the things they keep around the house. What a delightfully dutiful servant.
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It's a robot, it isn't male or female anyway. How can this be a sexism issue?
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>/a/ - feminism and gender politics
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It is a nice cover though. I'll never understand why some people always look for only the bad in things, they look for ways to criticise everything if they don't agree with it.
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Does this mean Chobits will happen? Will I live long enough to see the day?
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>"A black cleaning robot featured on the cover of a US academic journal would cause an uproar," she told the newspaper.

This is so fucking pathetic USA.
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>domesticity is wrong
>it's bad to clean your house
>it's bad to cook food
>it's bad to raise your child

most sane people in sane relationships share/trade-off on domestic stuff anyway
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>>100092785
>one step closer to having a barely competent robot that spends most of her time sitting around staring at scenery porn and kissing other female robots than actually doing work
Humanity is doomed.
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>>100092461
>sexism row

Code words for feminists getting mad and no one else giving a shit. Good work, Japan, keep it up.
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>>100093331

She wasn't barely competent, just very human.
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>>100093278
> It's a robot, it isn't male or female anyway. How can this be a sexism issue?
Same reason sex robots are banned in canada: it diverts men's attention from actual females towards something else
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>>100093313
As a black person, reading this article gives me the strong urge in drawing a dark maid robot-girl.

If only I knew how to draware there any drawfags here that can do that?
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>>100093148
Men can be anything they want to be.

Women are objects that do whatever men say.

Gotcha.
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>>100093326
Thank you.
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Never mind that the robot is reading a book which depicts an AI that can learn.
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>>100093199
Well, technically yes I suppose. But, it was pretty obvious she was talking about the eyes being emotionally hollow from an implied life of servant labor or some shit. These feminazis need to fucking get over it. Even if a bitch isn't a servant, everyone should clean house. It shouldn't take that to make you keep your shit clean. Hell, some women like the idea of being a stereotypical domestic housewife. Just like some men don't like the idea of being a stereotypical breadwinner.
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So let me get this straight

If you create a humanoid AI robot, it must have a male appearance or else it's sexist?

The fuck?

A butler's no problem but a robot maid? HOLY FUCK SEXISM
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>>100093448
kaka
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>>100093509
Its okay, its not supposed to make sense, all feminists are fucking retarded.
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>>100093419
>barely competent
>very human
Pick 2.
I would prefer a super competent non-human robot that actually did stuff for me instead of getting drunk with the neighbors and trying to /ss/ the local shotas.
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>>100093150
These robots are all men. They're all implied to die in wars, like many MALE soldiers did for centuries.

Yet nobody has cried about a gender issue yet. But put a drawing of a female looking robot doing cleaning, and it's an international issue.

Fucking hypocritical.
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>>100093436
take the cover from that magazine and recolor it
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>>100093436
Racism AND sexism? You're asking for a Tumblr SJW lynching, irony intended.
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>>100093509
It can be a woman, it just needs to be strong, independant, allowed to do what she wants, and not be attractive.
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>>100093423
>sex robots are banned in canada
they are?... but nobody even made one yet!

capcha: Freedom culdata
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>>100093199
IMO the problem is that the art is not detailed enough to see if her eyes are really hollow.
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I want to know the artist
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>>100093608
I think you mean "it can be a womyn".
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I bet patriarchal society would be in an uproar if said robot was a male.

.. wait.
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>>100093509
The feminists are afraid of anything that will get more attention from men than them.
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Feminism/sexism discussions belong in /v/, plus this is not anime or manga.
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Quote this post if you're a strong AI outside of traditional gender roles
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>>100093436
>black person
>If only I knew how to draw

You didn't really have to announce that you couldn't draw, it was obvious from the start.
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>>100093632
The art looks very nice. We need his name, and a high res scan of the cover.

I'd never have imagined that such a tasteful image would spawn a controversy.
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>>100093770
This

I hate how these days all boards on 4chan are about gender issues and tumblr
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>>100093786
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What if this is an elaborate ruse to garner attention for the journal?
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>>100093859
Why would anyone want normalfags reading their specialized scientific journal?
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I think it's a pleasant image.

If it makes people any less grump she's also got a book. So she's a degree smarter than actual women.
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>>100093839
It really is tasteful. She looks like a mother or something.
I would understand an uproar if she was dressed as a stripper or something else that's degrading.
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>>100093020
>>100093073
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>>100093278
>>100093313
>>100093326
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>>100093448
>>100093509

>that feel when gender politics
gee how anime related
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>>100093919
She's obviously just dusting off the book so the men can red it.
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>>100092461
They cut the article to pieces that suit their own need.
The complete article. http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201401090058

The Japanese artist
>Sputniko, another Japanese artist, described the image as "a gynoid robot with hollow eyes" which showed a lack of sensitivity to global gender issues.
turns out to be
>Sputniko!, a contemporary artist and an assistant professor with the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Media Lab.
Murrikan bitch

The Osakan Prof disagreement
>Hideyuki Hirakawa, a professor at Osaka University, told Asahi Shumbun the cover was "inappropriate" for a scientific journal.
turns out
>Hideyuki Hirakawa, a professor of science and technology studies at Osaka University, said the cover illustration was inappropriate for a scientific journal, although it would have been OK for a fanzine.
Because it's a cartoon pic, not because it's sexism.

Way to go BBC, i expect better out of you.
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>>100093927
Heil Hitler!
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oi enough with the tumblr gender politics

you don't want /a/ to be /pol/, /v/, /co/, or /r9k/ do you?
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Finally found the image.

It's basically sums up this whole issue in a nutshell.
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This has to be some of the dumbest shit ever. Who fucking cares.
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>>100094005
I get a feeling by these posts that we have a lot of crossboarders.
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>>100093927
manga style drawing inspired by various manga and anime about a topic dealt heavily in anime, in japan.
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>>100093564
>These robots are all men. They're all implied to die in wars, like many MALE soldiers did for centuries.
Yep. Every robot in a factory of today, are males. The reason female robots are being design today, is because we we already have male robots. Male robots are not defined by having a robot dick, but by having big strong arms that do labour.

There is a pent up demand for female robots, because they do not yet exist. Once they do, they would flood the market for things that require social interaction and customer service. Jobs that male robots just don't quite able to do.
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>>100094028
exactly.
Fuck women, we dont need them
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>>100094028
But that's wrong.

Miku wasn't being tsundere at all.
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CHECKU YUA MAIRU PRIVIREGE
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>>100094088
She can be whatever you want
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>>100094046
Now THAT is stereotyping.
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Japan just wanted moe, they did nothing wrong

They did nothing
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>>100094043
yeah but it's not about an actual anime or manga

and the discussion is not pertaining to anime or manga. Why should I care about not anime/manga in an anime/manga

don't we already have a politics board and a Japanese board, and even an international board?
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>not anime
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>>100093977
>That comment

Why are Americanized Asian women the worst?
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>gender doesn't matter they said
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>>100094130
>Now THAT is stereotyping.
It's just the reality in Japan. The "Office Lady" job in the workplace consists of women spending their days serving tea to their male colleagues until they get married and quit. As soon as female robots become reality all the OLs would be replaced and the job would vanish like the people who make horse carriages. Say what you like about gender inequality, but it is about time women's careers are threatened by robots the same way men had for years.
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I want /v/ to leave.
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>>100094266
Or they could, you know, give women real jobs instead of being tea servers.
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>enjoying off-topic threads

I may agree with most of what you say,
but it doesn't belong here, so I'm going to have to report this thread.
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>It was created by a female artist

So what's the problem here?
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2034: Japan perfects the bio-mechanical serve-bot with RealSkin(TM) technology.
2035: Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan, etc. fertility rates drop to 0.
2065: East Asia becomes an empty wasteland.
2066: THUNDERDOME
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>>100094314
But are they capable of doing said jobs?
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>>100094398
Yes.
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>>100093977
>Hideyuki Hirakawa, a professor of science and technology studies at Osaka University, said the cover illustration was inappropriate for a scientific journal, although it would have been OK for a fanzine.

I bet Prof. Hirakawa has quite the AI slave girl doujin collection. He seems well versed in this subject.
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>>100093977
Shit, that's some great journalistic integrity right there. I hate it when reporters misquote people like that.
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>>100094314
>Or they could, you know, give women real jobs instead of being tea servers.
You are missing my point. Men had already suffered a crisis with industrialisation, and we are forced to adapt. My point is that women were spared most of that because they have careers that were unaffected, But now, it is time for equal treatment. Now both genders get to compete with robots.
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>>100094459
>Yes.
Not all of them. We know because it happened with men already.
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>>100094560
>it happened with men already.
What?
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>>100094396
>not going the way of Transhuman Space and growing bioroids as replacement humans

The only RPG setting where you can be a Kyrgizstan warlord enslaving millions of catgirls and being appeased by the U.N.
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>>100094639
>>100094639
I think hes talking about factory and production line jobs.
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>>100094639
>What?
Robots appeared in factories, men lost their jobs. Most find other work, but not all of them.
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>Sputniko, another Japanese artist, described the image as "a gynoid robot with hollow eyes" which showed a lack of sensitivity to global gender issues.
No, it doesn't. Gynoid is simply the female version of android, the hollow eyes part might be just an art critique. Western-san is once again interpreting things through a very limited worldview.

>"A black cleaning robot featured on the cover of a US academic journal would cause an uproar," she told the newspaper.
So what?

The robot in question is holding a broom in one hand and a book on the other. The grip on the broom is hardly the most efficient to use it to clean up.

Somehow people are unable to tell her apart from a meido, I wonder why.
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>>100094396
>Staying biological long enough for birth rates to matter

I'm sure those computer nerds will figure SOMETHING out.
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>>100094314
>"give" women real jobs
They can get them if they want them. Some "male" fields are practically begging for them.
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>>100094314
>Or they could, you know, give women real jobs instead of being tea servers.
Common Japanese employer's reply:

First you suck my dick and spend a week bouncing on my cock. Then you can get the job.
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>>100095028
That's not always the case in Japan. Even though a woman went to college and took the same courses, when they get to a company their jobs are serving tea and other mundane things. By "give them jobs" I mean give them the jobs that they are qualified for instead of keeping them in a shitty dead end job with no hope for promotion.
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>>100095028
>They can get them if they want them. Some "male" fields are practically begging for them.
Women see that the people earning billions are nearly all men. As such they demand entry. What they don't realise is that most men never earn billions either.

I probably will never earn billions. Being a man doesn't improve the odds much.
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>>100092461
Where are the laser cannons?
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>>100095257
>First you suck my dick and spend a week bouncing on my cock. Then you can get the job.
That option would disappear once the employer has a full time robot-girl secretary
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>>100092461
I don't get it what's wrong with it? The hollow eyes part or just because its a girl?
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>>100095335
>Sexbots completely end the marginalization of women by dissociating women from sex

But then women would have to work to achieve things on their own merit, a feminist nightmare!
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>>100095260
Would be interested to read more about that.
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>feminism on /a/.
It's over, /v/ has won.
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>>100095512
>/a/ stops sexualizing women
>starts sexualizing fembots dresses as their waifu or virtual waifus

I wonder if the feminist would feel on this.
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>>100095472
I learned about it in a class, but I'm sure there's stuff about it online. It's pretty sad, really. Since their job opportunities are so low they resign themselves into finding a husband in order to get by in adult life. Oh, and once they get married they're not expected to go back to work. Not even pregnant, they just need to be married, then it over for them. After their kids grow up they might be able to get a part time job if they're lucky.
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>>100095606
Fembots would still be 3D. Do not want.
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>>100095260
Thats not a problem with women or japan. This is problem with high unemployment in current global economy.
College deosn't give you much qualification for real-world job. So giving them some low-ranking job is good way to give them chance to get some real-world experience. Its their fucking fault they don't use that chance.
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>>100095606
How about we sexualize both, say fuck the feminists, ignore the retards and enjoy our lives being the superior gender
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>>100095436
>But then women would have to work to achieve things on their own merit, a feminist nightmare!
In GitS, robot women are everywhere, doing low entry jobs. Despite the main character being a woman, most of her co-workers are still men. One has to wonder where all the women who used to work there, ended up. I mean Section 9 had a scene when they pulled out a small army of robot-women from storage when they needed more processing power.
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>Sex robots will never be employed by the government as rape deterrents
Actually I just had a great idea for a doujin
Someone get me da hootch
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>>100095678
>GitS is an accurate portrayal of real life society with artificial intelligence.

It's a story /a/non, and Japan is still a male-centric culture. Of course any futuristic story will be some hybrid bastardization of future tech and contemporary ideals and society. The ones that manage to actually charge a society's culture are the revolutionary and great ones which never sell.
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>>100095656
How are those women going to get experience if the only tasks they're given to do is just serving tea and making copies? They get shitty jobs, they don't get promoted, and they are expected to quit from the very beginning. That's not much of a "chance".
I won't speak about what the rest of the world does, I'm just focusing on Japan right now.
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>>100095748
>Positively reinforcing a rapists fetishes will prevent rape
This isn't how people work.
Its like that old nonsense about forcing a kid to smoke a pack of cigarettes in one sitting, its been proven to only make things worse
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>>100095678
They ended up married, the fuck else are you going to do?
Robots taking 80% of jobs will be a huge problem if Nips didn't have a falling birthrate...
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>>100095806
If anything that would make them more confident and want to live out their fantasies with a real person.
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>>100095292
>earning billions
>all men
you are a fucking retard.
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>>100095775
>How are those women going to get experience if the only tasks they're given to do is just serving tea and making copies?
Observing and helping around other people. Just like in every field with low-level jobs. You should be grateful for environment where you can learn from other people.

Doing only things you are told to is killing your chances yourself. In modern economy you need to be proactive and competetive to grow.
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>>100093613
Canada wanted to shut them down preemptively.

It will prove useful in the sexbot wars
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>>100095874
does the law specifically require them to be sapient?
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>>100095775
>They get shitty jobs, they don't get promoted
If you think thats any different for men, then you have obviously never been working.
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>>100095847
Isn't that the opposite reason for making loli sexbots?
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>>100094145
Yeah but nobody on /int/ or /pol/ wants to talk about weeb shit like this.

You want us to discuss this somewhere else? Go find us someplace. In the meantime, we'll be here.
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> Put a man on the cover.
That's okay.

> Put a cute girl on the cover.
STOP THE PRESSES THIS IS SEXIST.

Fucking double-standards, how do they work?
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>>100093977
Well fuck. I always trusted the BBC to not pull shit like this.
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>>100095806
While both of your points are valid, they don't correlate how you might expect.

In the rape example, the sexbots are positive reinforcement, rewarding rape.

In the smoking example, it hurts the child, causing nausea, effectively serving as positive punishment. It does however also increase craving due to chemical addiction.

A better example might be giving a child smoker a cigarette every day so they'll "Get tired of them".
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>>100095611
>in a class
What kind of class? Feminazi 101?
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>>100095806
What if they blew up when raped?

We could ship them to Africa en mass
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>>100095900
Actually a quick google just revealed it wasn't real law, just a joke.
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>>100095909
/pol/ is more than happy to discuss feminist outrage in any circumstances

oh yeah, also /jp/
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>>100095939
that would work, but is wasteful.
Better they chop off the penis if raped.
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>>100095934
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21116701
> Of particular note is that this country, like Denmark and Japan, had a prolonged interval during which possession of child pornography was not illegal and, like those other countries, showed a significant decrease in the incidence of child sex abuse.
In other words, give people something to direct their sexual lust to, and sex related crimes go down.
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YKK will come true in my lifetime, I must save up jewgolds.
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>>100094468
Absolutely disgusting. Well-found.

>>100095932
> Trusting anything news sources say as a given.
> Trusting citations without looking at them yourself.
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I hope SJW shit does not catch on in Japan.
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>>100094028
god this image is fucking PERFECT
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>>100095959
But /pol/ is full of mouthbreathing idiots who think the Jews are an actual thing. They'll just start spouting their epic maymays, except the actually believe them. If we bring this there we'll inevitably be flooded with them.

And /jp/ hates anything foreign, regardless of who or what it is.
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>you'll never have robot waifu because it's politically incorrect
IT HURTS.
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>>100096062
You can't stop progress,anon.
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>>100093448

*tips fedora*
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>My holy nippon actually giving a damn as to what the international world might think of them
>BBC anything, especially UK
>Issue over gynoids, androids, and how they might impact the feelings of woymn

They are to be built to serve, they are mechanical slaves and assistants to aid human desires, beliefs, and goals.

What the devil can you argue when their existence is grounded in servitude?

They are complaining that the color blue is blue when it can't be anything else but the color "blue".

Androids will come into play sometime in the future and they will probably become custom made, jailbroken, modified, scrapped, and upgraded like any other piece of hardware.

Deal with it if they take your minimum job, your place as the homemaker of the family, wet nurse, mother and father, lover and hug box.

Welcome to future where we can be centimeters apart from each everyday and truly be miles from away from everyone you know.
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>>100096097
>But /pol/ is full of mouthbreathing idiots who think the Jews are an actual thing. They'll just start spouting their epic maymays, except the actually believe them.

Naturally we do not want threads that smell like /pol/ threads here on /a/
I'm sure you'll fit right in since you both just love to shoe-horn political opinions and threads every chance you get.
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>>100096117
You will. Japan doesn't give two shits about these.
Although the advance of technology probably wont come within your lifetime.
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>>100095871
Japan isn't America, if you do more than what you're told it could be seen as impolite or arrogant. Most of Japan bases their promotions on age, the longer you've been with the company the higher you go. It has nothing to do with performance. So, your idea of being innovative, while perfectly fine and encouraged in your country, is not a viable strategy.
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>>100096158
>>>/v/
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>>100096124
But this SJW shit is stopping true progression.
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>>100096117

I don't know why you would want to have a 3D waifu anyway. You should be trying to go full virtual and go to her. Don't taint your love with 3D.
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>>100095904
But men do get promoted over there. They expect women to quit and start families so they give them dead end work until they find a husband.
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>>100096231
SJW shit is true progression
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>>100096062

/pol/ pls go. I don't want you guys to turn /a/ into a mouthbreathing field of tards that are irrationally and irrelevantly obsessed with SJ issues like you did with /v/.
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>>100096184
And what do you base your opinion on, except stereotypes and what media tells you?

Not everyone in japan is a mindless office drone you know, there are all kinds of jobs just like anywere else.
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>>100096184
You bring valid point.
But there is still no difference between men and women in this regard.
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>>100095936
Japanese culture class. Yeah I'm a huge weeb, shoot me.
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>>100096251
>But men do get promoted over there
1 out of 100, and that only they work hard for it.
Unlike what feminists tend to believe.
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>It was created by a female artist
This possibly tells us something, but also not necessarily. Oppressed people aren't always aware of their oppressed status, or don't feel motivation to do something against it.

>"a gynoid robot with hollow eyes"
>hollow eyes
Not. I'm surprised it was another artist who said this, just sounds like emotional bullshit. I don't see any specific hollowness in the character.

>"A black cleaning robot featured on the cover of a US academic journal would cause an uproar"
Because black people have been literally slaved a short time ago. Women haven't been "slaved" in the same sense even if you could say that they have been or still are slaved in a certain sense. Also, it wouldn't have caused an uproar in the times where black people were still being slaved, so maybe the issue here is that Japan's gender equality is still a totally unsolved problem. Maybe.

>Hideyuki Hirakawa, a professor at Osaka University, told Asahi Shumbun the cover was "inappropriate" for a scientific journal.
I don't see anything *inherently* inappropriate here. Sexism is often in the eye of the beholder; in a society where there is no sexism, the choice of a female cleaning robot would probably be seen as simply a choice of aesthetics, or at worst "random" choice.

>the head of the journal's editorial board said it was the overwhelming choice of society members from the 100 entries submitted
Like the first point, this might be telling us different things. It could be that all the involved people were so non-sexist that they didn't even think it was inappropriate, or it could be that they're still "naturally" sexist and don't realize it at all.

All in all people love sensationalism.

>>100095936
Congratulations, you made a huge contribution to the discussion.
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>>100096171
Listen here big shot, if statistics are to be believed you probably haven't been here for more than two or three years, so don't go waving your dick around as though you've got something to protect. Political threads used to be perfectly fine on /a/ and they're still all right on nightime /a/. Lurk for a change. Take a look around and learn from others. Don't just barge in here and play the part of superhero. You look like a tool.
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>>100096253
Go back to /r/SRSanime.
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>>100096251
nobody gets promoted anymore. out generation is fucked, no matter in what country you live. when we are talking about non-nepotism promotions we mean the 5% of actually successful people who dont make a difference and represent any gender anyway.
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>>100096283
>still no difference
But I just told you the difference. Do you fail at reading comprehension?
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>>100096379
But I don't like them.
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>>100096355
tl;dr: nighttime /a/ = /v/

funny thing the whole concept of "nighttime board" came from /v/ in the first place.

anyway your stupid ass /pol thread belongs on /pol/
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>>100096420
You explained difference between Japan and America. Not between males and females.
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>>100096234
3D robots don't have the flaws that make 3D humans disgusting.

Virtual is never going to happen in your lifetime, if ever.
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>>100096339
Promotion is based on age, not ability. It's a hierarchical system. I don't know where you're getting your information from.
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>>100095775
There are two tracks in a Japanese company.
1) OL bullshit where you don't learn anything since you will quit after getting preggers anyway
2) Serious work like the men but you are expected to work just as long/move to where the company wants you/etc.
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>>100096352
Man, that remind me of.
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>>100096478
>Promotion is based on age, not ability
Actually, both.
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>>100096481
Be careful not to trigger her.
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>>100096478
>Promotion is based on age, not ability.
Yeah, because every 60 year old men is a company president, and not slaving away at a low end job on the verge of getting laid off
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>>100096552

You don't need to do this, anon.

We don't need this.
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>>100096469
The way Japan handles things makes it nearly impossible for women to have a career to support themselves. In America there are way more opportunities for women and it's much more equal in comparison. An American female is much better off in the job market than a Japanese female. That's the difference.
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>>100096430
>Nighttime /a/ not seen as an oasis of calm away from daytime /a/.
>"funny thing the whole concept of "nighttime board" came from /v/ in the first place."

Please tell me I'm being trolled.

Isn't this the exact opposite of what you wanted, /a/? You wanted to stem the tides spilling over from /v/ and /b/. You wanted to preserve your culture, and indoctrinate the newfags faster than they could spill over you. What the fuck happened?
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>>100096600
But the same applies to men.
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>>100096552
>posting tumblrshit
I was going to bed anyway, time to jump ship from this enlightening discussion.
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>>100096481
It's more of young people problem nowadays.
Look at /adv/, loads of lazy deadbeats asking how to be successful. When told they need hard work & determination, all of them scream about muh gubmint, rat race, system slave etc etc.
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>>100096687
Expanding economy can support more mediocrity, simple as that.
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>>100096766
The problem is the mediocrity grows faster than economy.
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>>100096474

>Virtual is never going to happen in your lifetime, if ever.

Virtual is going to happen a lot sooner then you think. Yeah maybe not full SAO bullshit but you will be able to touch a 2D waifu before you get a robot waifu.
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>>100096512
Well that in turn reeks of straw feminism.
http://www.harkavagrant.com/?id=341

Don't judge a group by its most vocal and retarded minority. Feminism essentially means gender equality, if you aren't really a feminist you need to get rekt or move to Saudi Arabia. The problem with the people you think are feminists is that they're not feminists.
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>>100096814
>touch
That's the problem.
Looks great, but will you be able to replicate the touch...
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>>100096835
>Feminism essentially means gender equality
Then why is it called feminism and not equalism? It can't be about equality when even its name separates people based on gender.
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>>100096835
Fuck off SRS.
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>>100096835
>no true Scotsman
Uh-huh.
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>>100096892

Uh. Yes. Haptic controls are coming a long way in a short period of time.
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>>100096920
#ownd
#told
#rekt
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>>100096920
Because 10,000 year old Patriarchy.
Also Soviets funded them in the 60's to bring down the West from the inside.
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>>100096835
Fuck off
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>>100096920
We actually already have Egalitarianism, feminism is full of crazies who think that E=mc2 is sexist.
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>>100096920
Because throughout history it's consistently been women who were oppressed, so gender equality in practice just means bringing women back to equality.

>>100096973
>>>/b/
>>>/v/
>>>/leddit/
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>>100096835
I'm all for gender equality and all but the problem I have with feminism is the name. Calling a movement promoting gender equality 'feminism' implies that only women face inequality and are the only ones whose status needs to be improved in all situations. While in most countries women are likely to have a disadvantage in many areas of life, there are plenty of areas where men are in fact more disadvantaged. I'd much prefer the movement to be called 'equalism' or something so that it actually reflects what it wants to achieve.
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>>100097056
>>>/srs/
>>>/srsanime/
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>>100097056
>Because throughout history it's consistently been women who were oppressed
Actually most people were oppressed,not just women.
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>>100097056
Then shouldn't be it equalism instead? feminism sound like "female superiority"

We can't have that when we're trying to make everything equal right?
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>>100096835
yeah this is what everyone says, and I'm not convinced.
"gender equality" sounds great and all - but to even "true feminists" they believe "gender equality" means much more than what you think it means.
This includes that men are currently "privileged", that our society is a patriarchy, and that any form of prostitution or objectification of women is always morally wrong no matter what the circumstance
.
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>>100097056
>Because throughout history it's consistently been women who were oppressed
The world isn't as simple as: one group is always disadvantaged, the other is always advantaged.

You're either a complete mongoloid or trolling.
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> Japanese science journal draws robot meido on cover
> irrelevant people get mad
who

who cares

is this anime

no

is this manga

no

why is this tangental feminism bullshit on my board

please consider taking it to jaypee next time
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>>100097056
Just stop already
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>>100097056
>Because throughout history it's consistently been women who were oppressed

This is what feminists actually believe.
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>>100095932
Why the hell would you trust the BBC?
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>>100097201
>my board

Nobody cares about your opinion, you little faggot. You can't even capitalize properly. Get outta here.
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>>100097267
He is right though. This thread is shit and painfully off topic.

Report and move on.
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>>100097267
he's right

why do you want /a/ to be filled with off-topic shit?
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>Japan does it again

More like muh independent women feels did it again. It is merely a picture.
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>>100096352
You make some pretty good points. Everything we read and learn about is usually subjective at most and is never good to take at face value.
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>>100097361
If you don't get the humor in this one, you are either a sad human being or a feminist.
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>>100097218
Check out what feminists actually believe about science.
>Irigaray has characterized E=mc2 as a “sexed equation” because “it privileges the speed of light over other speeds that are vitally necessary to us.”
http://skepticalhumanities.com/2012/07/16/can-science-rape-nature/
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>>100097056
>Because throughout history it's consistently been women who were oppressed
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>>100097267
Somebody's angry

Is anger therapeutic for you?

Do you find that being angry at feminists you've never seen gives you a cathartic release?

Because that's certainly fine

Sometimes I get angry

Sometimes I get angry at feminists too

But the anime board is not the "get angry at feminists"

Please consider going to a more appropriate location, like the video game board or even the politics board.
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It's really pathetic how western society is constantly offended by every little, petty thing.

>>100097420
>/can-science-rape-nature/
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>>100097361
>Cisdimensional
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>>100097494
Holy shit!

Why do you space your text like that?

It's silly, anon.

Not to mention entirely unnecessary.
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>>100097056

Not quite right because where does it stop? Many situations simply point out that because women feel oppressed that they now have the right to oppress men and thus doing the same shit men have been doing according to their own standards.

But the most disgusting thing about what you say is; we want equality but not in everything only in things that matter to us women and we just kick men out of the question but in other sectors where we as women do not feel comfortable we want men to keep the majority faction. What is equal about that? If you want equality then you share the good and the bad but modern feminists only seem to want the good and all things that get nails dirty are for men.
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>>100093313
>Comparing the plight of fucking slaves to the nigh non-existent modern social pressure for a woman to clean

How racist
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>>100097631
Male designers are actually the majority in fashion.
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>>100097680

And how many of them are gay and utterly women like.
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>>100097079
It started in times and places where it was females who were being oppressed, which was/is most times and places. There is still overwhelming women's rights issues in many cultures even now. Teenage girls getting forced to marry their rapists and shit, happens right now in some Arabic countries. Give me such outrageous examples of male oppression.

>>100097083
>>>/stopbeingretarded/
>>>/makeanactualargument/

>>100097111
Yes, and? Females have been and still are oppressed specifically.

>>100097137
>feminism sound like "female superiority"
Only if you're fucking retarded, it's been in the dictionary for some time now and you're pulling that definition out of your ass.

>>100097160
Feminism essentially means giving females equal rights as men. Any extension to that is, well, an extension to that.

>>100097189
Well I can tell that you're clearly a complete mongoloid. What you're saying is entirely lacking in meaning. "One group is always disadvantaged," OK, and that's good and well and we shouldn't try to change it? What even is your point?

>>100097215
Very good argument, can't counter that.

>>100097218
If you're not aware of something as obvious as that then I'm just genuinely sad about your magnitude of ignorance.

>>100097454
Also a very good argument you're making there. How shall I respond?

How fucking difficult can it be for you retards to accept the fact that women have basically suffered for centuries or millenia in many cultures spread around the world? It's part of humans' retarded animal nature, and if you have some self-respect you should try hard to distance yourself from that.
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>>100097680
They're mostly gay though
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>>100097723
>>>/srs/
>>>/srsanime/
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>>100097296
>>100097320
Because I want to have fun for once in my GODDAMN LIFE without having fucking faggot little shits trying to piss all over it because it makes them feel special. Fuckdamn shitcunts. Every single goddamn night I come on here and see you little prickshits shitting yourselfs and rubbing shit all over each other, circlejerking about how virtuous you are for defending /a/, the last bastion of quality anime discussion. I got news for you, faggot, /a/ is a festering pile of shit and you are all just maggots crawling on the pile. You think you’re improving something, anything, as through you belong to an elite cadre of posters, far above the rest of 4chan, even the entire internet. Everything you do here simply makes this board shitier. When pop in to say you don’t approve, you do absolutely nothing to raise board quality. You just make this stinky shit pile even smellier.

Why the fuck do I even come on this cumballs assdick board anymore. Every time I come across too many little shits like you I spend hours looking for some other, any other board to discuss anime at. They’re all dead. All of them. And I come back here, and I eat the same shit I eat every day. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Nigger tits.

>>100097494
You bet your ass I'm angry.
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>>100096835
Gender equality is fine until they start to get starved for my cock.
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>>100097723
Damn, your pretty good.
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>>100097723
>Only if you're fucking retarded, it's been in the dictionary for some time now and you're pulling that definition out of your ass.
It's not retarded, just try saying it. Forget how it's defined in the dictionary first.
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>>100097631
>Many situations simply point out that because women feel oppressed that they now have the right to oppress men and thus doing the same shit men have been doing according to their own standards.
That's retarded and is not feminism.

>"we want equality but not in everything only in things that matter to us women ..."
Good job arguing with straw (wo)men. That's also retarded and is not feminism.

Stop getting into retarded shit-flinging wars with retarded pseudo-feminists, correct them properly where they're wrong and point out to them that they're diverting attention to the wrong places.

Also,
>"us woman"
I'm a little girl, not a woman.
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>>100097780
Even if you did find another board to discuss anime on you would just ruin it by allowing people to make off-topic threads. Fuck off.
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>>100097723
Well Teenage boys getting imprisoned for sleeping with a girl who later regrets it would rank, and that actually happens in first world countries.
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>>100093265
good comment
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>>100097723
Learn your place.
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>>100097723
>Give me such outrageous examples of male oppression.

Dying in wars.
95% of people dying on workplaces are men.

>Females have been and still are oppressed specifically.

Everyone, except ruling class, was oppressed. Women were both ruling class and oppressed.

>Feminism essentially means giving females equal rights as men. Any extension to that is, well, an extension to that.

You mean equal opportunity. But women are naturally inferior to men, thus majority of them will not succeed anyway.
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Report and move on.
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>>100097780
/a/ is only for fun pertaining to anime and manga

off-topic fun should be set in their appropriate boards
you want to know why you think /b/, /v/, /r9k/, /co/ and /pol/ are so inhabitable? because they had LOADS of fun there almost everyday, until their board turned into a complete mess. Naturally I'm jaded towards fun that has nothing to do with my anime and manga. I don't want the "fun" that made those boards into what they are coming here.
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>>100097599
Because anon

Everyone knows that bigger things attract more attention

It's somewhat distracting, right? Obnoxious, even. It will likely irk you, maybe even enough to make a post about it

I wouldn't do it in a normal thread, goodness no. But since this thread is shit, it doesn't really matter.

I also enjoy making you scroll

To sum it up, I do it specifically to annoy you.
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>>100097819

>that isn't feminism but retardation

Well that makes it obvious what feminism has come to.
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>>100097780
Good God man, calm the fuck down.
Also, get fucked. Off topic shit shouldn't be allowed because you think it's fun. Even if /a/ is shit, as you say it is, then posting more off topic crap certainly won't help.

It's not even a matter of opinion. The bottom line is that this thread is blatantlys off topic and simply hasn't come the the mods' attention yet.



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