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I'm indifferent.

He looks amazing, sounds GAR, and fights like there's no tomorrow, but I can't get enthusiastic about him.

He might be manly/badass but there's something missing from him for me to call him GAR.

The whole episode was framed sort of like a video game, with Sabrac being the boss and Wilhelmina being the repeat player trying to explain his fighting patterns. The way she talked about him, he wasn't any different from an NPC.
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So what's his weakness?
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>>10009251
I hate boss fights where you have to sit around for an hour trying to find the guys fucking weakness
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>>10009262
flatchested redheads with swords
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>>10009262

Someone said earlier it's that his power isn't unlimited. He uses up most of his strength in his initial attack, then uses everything else he's got to protect himself. He'll run out of power if occupied too long in a battle, which is why he's afraid of getting flanked by multiple Flame Hazes.
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“紅世の王”。依頼を受け対象を抹殺する、文字通りの「殺し屋」。数多の
フレイムヘイズを屠ってきた強大なる“王”。マントを纏い、全身をくま
なく厚手の革つなぎとプロテクターで覆い、長髪を立て、顔を長いマフラ
ー状の布で隠した長身の男。普段は思考も言動も全てが長口上。かなりの不
平屋であるものの、怒るという場面はそうそう無いらしい。また刃物収集
家であり、戦闘時に使用する武器は全て彼のコレクションで、宝具ではな
い普通の武器である。一時期、“探耽求究”ダンタリオンに雇われていたが
、秘蔵の剣である宝具『ヒュストリクス』を「イカレたからくり」(正式
名称は『浪漫の結晶ドォ――リル付き西洋風の両手剣』)に改造され激怒
し、袂を分かった。教授の方も自身の発明を「イカレたからくり」と言われ
たことで激怒し、現在もお互い仲が悪い。炎の色は茜色。
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初撃に限定されるが、“徒”やフレイムヘイズにすら全く彼自身と攻撃の予
兆を感じさせず、複数個所に絶大な規模と威力の同時攻撃を行えるという
特性を持つ。完全な不意打ちで放たれる洪水とも思えるような炎の濁流と
、その炎に混ぜた無数の剣による攻撃、さらにそれらで傷付いた箇所を時と
共に広げていく自在法『スティグマ』により、初撃で並の者ならば即死、
強者であっても運任せで、生き残ったとしても無傷では済まず、『スティ
グマ』の効果で傷を深められ、そのまま放置すれば死に至り、加えて初撃の
後に現れるサブラクとも戦わなければいけないという恐ろしく厄介な“王
”。さらにサブラク自身もヴィルヘルミナですら四半分間違えば死に直結
する程の非常に優れた剣士であり、加えて初撃と同等以上の威力と規模の無
数の剣を混ぜた炎を自在に操る力と、攻撃が当たっていないとさえ錯覚す
るほどの異常な耐久力を持ち、初撃の不意打ちを除いても非常に強大な戦
闘力を持つ。正面から戦闘を挑めば、『スティグマ』の効果とサブラクの圧
倒的戦闘力・持久力によって倒されてしまうが、反面、サブラクは“王”
には珍しく人一人分程度の知覚能力しかなく、また出現地点から遠くへ逃
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>>10009251
He's not really fighting for anything, It's more than just hax powers and a badass outfit to be GAR nowadays.
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[仮装舞踏会]に雇われ、ベルペオルから依頼を受けて、『約束の二人』と
ヴィルヘルミナを執拗に追い続け、『零時迷子』に『大命詩篇』の一篇を
打ち込んだ。クリスマス・イヴにベルペオルからの二度目の依頼を受けて
、御崎市滞在中のフレイムヘイズ三人に不意打ちで大打撃を与え、“ミステ
ス”坂井悠二に『大命詩篇』を打ち込む。その後のヴィルヘルミナとの交
戦中、悠二に不死身とも思える耐久力とその身体の正体を見破られ、『ス
ティグマ』破りの自在法を編み出された事や、これまで一度も追い詰められ
たことがなかったために油断して敵を侮っていた事もあって、彼らの連携
によって敗北。しかし討滅されたわけではなく、ビフロンスの非常手段(
ゴルディアン・ノット)に込められていた転移を使ってその場を逃れた。以
降は『星黎殿』に留まっているが、“祭礼の蛇”のことは儀礼上拝しては
いるものの臣下として仕えるつもりはない模様。
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“戯睡郷”メアとは知り合いで、“逆理の裁者”ベルペオルから行き逢った
際に得た『零時迷子』の“ミステス”の情報を与え、その後会う約束をし
ていたらしい。
通称の由来はソロモン72柱の序列43番目の悪魔サブナックから。
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>>10009251
>>The whole episode was framed sort of like a video game, with Sabrac being the boss and Wilhelmina being the repeat player trying to explain his fighting patterns. The way she talked about him, he wasn't any different from an NPC.

I got Touhou vibes from it. Sabrac's flames are the same color as the cherry blossom and most of his sword spams looked like danmaku.
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>>10009355
>>10009361
>>10009384
>>10009393

translation? Anything about Sairei no Hebi Sakai Yuuji?
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At first he appears fucking HAX, and his design is a little simple to think anything amazing from him. I like his cold-bloodiness though.
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>>10009557
I prefer hot-bloodedness myself, nothing quite as satisfying as crossing your arms under the shadow of a colossus with the promise you're going to fuck up it's shit.
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"Red king of the world". Audience response to a request to eliminate the literal "assassin". The数多
FUREIMUHEIZU to屠っ強大なるthe "king".纏いcape, body Bears
Without bridging thick leather cover and protector in the making long hair, a long face Mafra
Cloth-like hide-tall man. I usually think of any words or deeds will be long pitch. Not quite
Of the ranch, but was angry at the scene無いらしいYeah. Also collecting cutlery
House, and weapons used during combat, all of his collections, Koo is a treasure
And common weapons. At one time, "耽intercept Kiwamu Motomu" has been hired DANTARION
, Treasured sword of the Ku HYUSUTORIKUSU treasure, "gimmick RETA squid" (formerly
DOO浪漫the name of the crystal - Lil hands with a Western-style sword) to be outraged reshuffle
, A袂. Professor who also own invention "gimmick RETA squid," said
Kites and furious, and is still on bad terms with each other. Madder color of the flame.
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>>10009674
is there a vector of this or atleast a higher resolution to this so i can vector it myself?
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>>10009251
> repeat player
Wilhelmina sounded like some kind of kiter waiting for everyone to show up and start applying DPS. Seemed to me she was getting annoyed that they were taking too long to re-enter combat.
Margery's wounds may have been serious, but Shana's looked minor.

Entertaining as it is, it feels very much a fight designed to be placed in whatever videogame they make of Shana II.
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I liked Sabrac. He kicked ass, moreso than any other person in Shana.

But his HAX cannot be denied. His power level basically exploded all over the place.
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Too powerful. There is no GAR without glory and awesome, and it's hard to get those without surpassing your limitations.
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1. execute overly elaborate plan
2. nuke
3. hunt down stragglers
4. ???
5. profit!
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Shana just just go flame of heaven on his ass
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>>10009875

Excellent description of Sabrac's method.
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>>10009875
Awesome strategy. Decent character to execute it.
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>>10009875
Screw honest fighting. He's an assassin.

He's basically a rogue that backstabs with a nuclear bomb.
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Sabrac seems like a guy who just likes to chill, even when he's busy fucking people's shit up. A really nice guy. Nothing personal, it's just that he's been hired to kill you.

The fact that he is to all appearances so far nigh-invulnerable and capable of regenerating from a piece of his cloak only encourages that laid back attitude.
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Can't wait until next episode.
Hopefully Yuji gets some hot GAR fighting scene.
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>>10010050
fighting against *who*? This time he's up against someone who can actually fight *back*.

Chances are slim. Maybe he'll stumble upon some sort of mystical artifact Sabby hid in the sewers and/or use his newfound analytical powers to figure out his weakness, but other than that he'll just hang out with his loli.
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>>10010107
He has his own loli? damn, this guy has everything
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>>10010139
Sorry, that was probably uncalled for.
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>>10010107
Yuuji joins the dark side.
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Sakai Yuji will be the one who beats his ass down after the 3 Flame Hazes lose.
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>>10010107

Yuuji's the most dangerous opponent Sabrac has to face because he's basically a Crimson King with the same kind of non-detection ability. Not to mention Yuuji is a brilliant strategist. He already figured out Sabrac's weakness in that brief fighting interval, I still haven't figured it out.

Something about this episode that bugged me is how stupid Wilhelmina is. Why the fuck did she protect Yuuji? Surely she knows he's wearing the Azure Ring that makes him invincible against magic, and as a Mystes he's inherently immune to physical attacks. Sabrac has to extract the Reiji Maigo to kill him or drain his power somehow.

The nuke wasn't going to cut it.
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>>10010173
Do want to love tenderly.
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>>10010235
They were swords, not flames, so he wouldn't have been safe
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>>10010235
ring only protects against Fire magic, i think.
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>>10010260

He's immune to physical attacks. He hasn't bled at all during the whole series and got chopped up in the first episode if you might recall. The only thing he has to worry about is getting the Reiji Maigo stolen, which won't happen for three reasons:

1. The Keeper prevents most Tomogara from stealing it.
2. The Flame Haze and Yuuji himself are pretty good and preventing it from getting stolen.
3. Sairei no Hebi is now awake, and rather than let the Reiji Maigo get stolen and lose his host he'll take over and fuck shit up.
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>>10010290

Almost all magic in the Shanaverse is fire-based, there's only a handful of Unrestricted Method's we've seen so far that aren't. Stigma happens to be one of them but YUUJI DOES NOT BLEED OR GET WOUNDS.
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>>10010307
THEY DON'T KNOW YUJI IS GOD HEIBI
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>>10010290
From the novel Anti-Flame Ring Azure grants protection against all types of flames and explosions, including the ones of Flame Hazes.
So anything fire based or lined with the concept for fire is useless.
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>>10010235
Yuji is an experienced kid. What fighting skills he *does* have are useless against someone as ridiculous as Sabrac.

Yuji has a flame ring, but that doesn't make him immune to *all* spells, and that spell was a particularly wicked one. He would still have been toast without protection.

>and as a Mystes he's inherently immune to physical attacks
Hell no. Mystes don't get that kind of protection. Yuji got lucky once during training with a physical reenforcement, but that's it.
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>>10010333
If he's so invulnerable, why is he always screaming in terror when someone attacks him.
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>>10010388
because it's funny?
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It was mentioned that Sabrac's magic contains swords, so I doubt the ring would have protected him, since its not flame or explosion.
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GRAZE FOR MORE POINTS SAK--- WILHELMINA
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>>10010388

He hasn't lost his humanity. I can bet he won't be running scared once he turns into a Tomogara.
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Sabrac does indeed have enough swords.
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>>10010418

See? FUCKING TOHOU!
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>>10010453
So Touhou is indirectly canon /a/ material now?
WHAT HAS SABRAC DONE?
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I originally didn't think Wilhelmina was so powerful, I thought she was the kind and tender loving meido.
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Unlimited Sabrac Works
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>>10010413
That's a pleasantly Masochistic edge to his brutatlity.
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>>10010479
We thought that about Kohaku too.
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Wasn't Yuji's ring meant to be 'fairly common'?
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HOLD SHIFT TO FOCUS!!
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>>10010479
You know, Wilhelmina would be fucking awesome for bondage fun with Shana.
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>>10010504

No no, it's a one of a kind, very valuable and very amazing Noble Phantasm. Friagne was a killer of Flame Haze like Sabrac even though he was a weakling among Kings, but he had tons of treasure but only a handful of really good ones, and that was one of them.

If we were talking about rarity in TYPE-MOON sense, Azure Ring would be A++ and Reiji Maigo EX.

Blutsauger isn't as rare or valuable (maybe like B or B+ tops) but combined with the other two treasures and Yuuji's abilities, it's incredibly dangerous.
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>>10010504
Something like that would be close to an S ranked treasure.
Especially for use against Flame Hazes
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So, basically, Sabrac is weak against damage? Meh, that sucks. I was expecting something a lot less obvious.
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>>10010573

Blutsauger is just a really big sword right? To be honest the design for it looks uncomfortable as hell.
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Season 3 will be good.
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>>10010734
I think it absorbs power of existence or something
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>>10010734

"He is armed with a sword called "Blutsauger" (German for "blood drinker"), which is capable of damaging anything that it touches if a user channels power of existence into it."
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>>10010745
When yuji kills shana? Yes, it will be.
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>>10010734

It's big and heavier than it looks, so it's pretty powerful. But the special ability is if you charge it with power of existence and hit something indirectly (like if it's blocked), the attack will go through as if it wasn't blocked at all.

The incest twins used the sword against Shana and almost killed her; they're weak Tomogara without much power of existence. The size of the damage slash inflicted by the special ability is dependent on how much power you put into it.

So imagine what happens if Yuuji, with the Reiji Maigo (unlimited power) uses that sword. He could split anything, cities, mountains, even continents.
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>>10010790

Ah. Infinite power + Blutsauger = goodbye to any defense.
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>>10010817

Ah, I see. It's been a while since I watched season 1, I forgot about that completely.
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>>10010806
THIS IS A LIE
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>>10010817
I thought he just had a very large amount that recharged daily
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>>10010817
Sounds like he's gonna kick reason to the curb and use a galaxy-sized weapon to ensure humanity's continuing evolution.
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Yuuji's basically a monster by the time the Sabrac fight ends, three powerful hougu that synergize well together, his own personal nature/intelligence/cunning and training, plus his Mystes status makes him on par with an average Guze King.

This is all before Snake of the Festival merges with him.
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>>10010864

Nope, because of Hecate raping him he is basicially stuck in an infinate loop of power generation.
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>>10010864

Reiji Maigo is like a gas burner, the flame stays constant unless you turn up the gas. The gas was turned up once earlier in the show during the Hecate thing (in the novel it was when Sydonay tried to steal the Reiji Maigo and the Keeper interfered) and the other time is after the merger.

Yuuji just doesn't know how to do it, but Sairei does.
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Who is Sairai again?
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>>10010925
Festival
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since we're in a Q&A session, what's a unrestricted spell? along with all the other crop terminology they decided to throw in instead of just calling it magic and mana
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>>10010955

It's just a spell for all intents and purposes. Put in generic terms, Shana would be a straight up fighter, Margery a mage...Wilhelmina...a...something. And Yuji would be a bard/rogue on steroids.
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>>10010865
fucking hack.
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>>10010895

Do Yuuji and the Snake of the Festival truly become one or is there a fake blending?
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>>10011045
Its tok'ra as opposed to goa'uld.
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>>10011045

It's a relationship similar to Yami Yugi/Normal Yugi. Yami Yugi is stuck in the Millennium Puzzle but he can astral project through Yugi's body. The two share memories and thoughts/ideas as if they were the same person but otherwise fluctuate in between personalities at times.

Yami didn't even know he wasn't Yugi until late in the show, Sairei and Yuuji are an advanced form of that.
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>>10010990
nah, feels more like all flame haze are all purpose solders with one or two special abilities
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>>10011146

Margery is definitely not that strong in physical combat. It's been hinted Sydonay, while a powerful Crimson King, is the weakest of the group in terms of power because he has no Unrestricted Methods. He's just a shapeshifter, and can transform into chimeras that are stronger than Margery's werewolf. Typically physically weak Flame Haze are the ones who shift form, and Margery makes up with her weakness by having a fuckton of Unrestricted Spells and being able to make them up on spot.

Shana is very much a straight fighter, she doesn't have many if any spells except Fuzetsu. Wilhelmina's some weird mix between fighter and spellcaster.
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>>10011201
What would Shana's normal powers be, if she didn't have her special sword?
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>>10011478
TENPA JYOUSAI?
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It is quite annoying how much I like this story but how much I dislike Shana. Hell...
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>>10010473
We've already entertained the notion that Yuuji is like a lesser version of Shirou when it comes to being clueless, as well as eventually becoming a badass. Similarly, Shana shares many traits with Saber.

Plus there's a lot of "SHANAAAA!!" in the show. Just like there's a lot of "SEEIIIBAAAA!!" in F/SN.



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