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Looks like otaku-pandering shit is serious business now

Japan cabinet council talk about the japanese anime in decline
>http://www.cas.go.jp/jp/seisaku/cool_japan/bunka/dai1/gijiroku.pdf
>最近のアニメは、本当の意味でのオタク系の作品が増えて、ジブリみたいな誰が見てもおもしろいものというのはすごくテレビの中で減っている。これは何でかというと、構造から言いますとスポンサーを引っ張ってきて、そのスポンサーの対応をしながらの作品づくりになっていたりすることが多いからです。だからロボットだの何だのってなっていく。

The Japan Pop Sub-Committee, created to promote "Cool Japan", says there are too many hard-core otaku anime and not enough anime with wide appeal. It should more anime be made to appeal to a wider audience like Ghibli movies, not anime cater to otaku.

After a string of international anime successes such as “Gundam Wing,” “Pokémon,” “Dragonball Z” and “Sailor Moon,” the Japanese government belatedly began waking up to the influence of the nation’s pop culture — a phenomenon dubbed “soft power,” as a counterpoint to “hard” exports such as cameras or cars. By 2003, the concept seemed like a no-brainer. Anime was everywhere.

For all the promise anime had shown as a worldwide phenomenon, the next decade would see a long slide into irrelevance for Japanese pop culture. With the exception of a few shining stars who continued to push boundaries, such as Miyazaki, Satoshi Kon, Shinichiro Watanabe and Mamoru Hosoda, the anime industry increasingly turned inward rather than outward, choosing to target a tiny but reliable domestic audience of die-hard anime otaku (obsessives) rather than gambling on new productions for the mainstream.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2014/01/09/general/will-cool-japan-finally-heat-up-in-2014/#.UtIktbRbzTk
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Time and time again its been shown that the mainstream crowd doesn't care unless there's a big name attached to the anime or the anime is a legacy series which they point out themselves using Gundam, DBZ, Pokemon and the like.
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SPACE DANDY IS HERE TO USHER IN THE NEW AGE OF ANIME
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Pandering to mainstream gaijin means less incest, loli and harem in in anime.
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Oh, Cool Japan. They subsidized my ticket to Japan.

Anyway, this was bound to happen. Japan is declining in everything- from exports to birth rates. However, the Nikkei is having a rise, so that might prove to be interesting within Japan. Supposedly their domestic economy is kicking back up again, but that may or may not be true.

Honestly, it would be futile at making another Pokemon franchise, as it's just the wrong time.

I guess if we start putting anime movies out there, like doing things with Fathom Events and kicking shit out there, you might actually get people interested.

Hell, if Madoka gets nominated for an Oscar, that would crack the floodgates.
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So we'll get more shows like Log Horizon? That kinda is fine with me
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Sonic is a very cool kid and made in japan

Why not Sonic anime?
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Why post it here? /a/ must be one of the most content anime communities with the pandering.

More niche market means more fetish shit fro me to masturbate to.

>>100085041
Judging by preorders, it's flopping like all hell
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>>100084740
>Japan cabinet council talk about the japanese anime in decline

The cabinet does this once a year. Last time they were talking about renovating studios and giving workers a higher pay. Guess how that turned out.
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Is that fashion suppose to be trendy and hip?
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All those 'mainstream' anime still have tons of objectional content for Americans. IT was just they were edited and censored to hell and back.

So goody, if you hack up a show and aim it at little shits then you're 'well respected' now
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>>100085277
>Judging by preorders, it's flopping like all hell
Hooray!
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>>100085313
They'll look at Space Dandy and say that their work here is done...even when it isn't popular in the US and sells 50 copies in Japan.
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>>100084740
>appealing to normies and pleb

Well
Business is business
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>>100085330
Old curtains and shower caps?

"Hip" is the right word.
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>>100084740
So, basically what I'm hearing is that it's a problem that popular things are popular, because they aren't the popular things that the Japanese government wants to be popular?

Cry me a fucking river. Isn't the whole point to market the stuff that people think is cool?
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Considering how much more receptive US television is to sequential, crafted series maybe it could work. There's still exportable anime being made. Those series they list in the article only worked out because they were episodic enough to work into our conception of how a cartoon should be produced.

Put a well dubbed anime series that isn't otaku pandering on a television station that people watch at an hour that people watch it and you might be able to kick off something.
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>>100085108
How did you get them to subsidize your ticket?
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>>100085682
Anime is anything but popular.

People that reveal their powerlevel are hunted like dogs, we particularly don't care since we prefer the stealtheir it's just another hobby, nerd, route
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>>100085781

All Nippon Airways offers dicounted rates via the whole "Cool Japan" shtick.

https://www.ana-cooljapan.com/japanfare/?cid=INT12080003
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What about SAO and Shingeki no Kyojin?
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>>100085746
>Considering how much more receptive US television is to sequential, crafted series maybe it could work.

By west you mean France and Germany, right?
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>>100085746
I think Adult Swim is going to be the extent of anime on US television. A few other cable channels tried it and dropped it. The western audience just isn't that big.
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>>100085829
Normalfags don't buy BDs. If they did, Space Dandy would be selling. Not to mention that trying to suppress the underground aspect of anime would just kill the whole endeavor.
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>>100085928
They were not even close to Pokemon and DBZ levels
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>>100085913

oy vey
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>>100085682
Nah, the problem is they want to be able to export anime to the west in order to make money, and they think that it's the content rather than the retarded business practices on both sides that blocks this.

There is plenty of kids shit coming out in Japan ready to be localized and shilled to kids to get them to buy toys, but there isn't enough effort put in on either side.

>>100085746
The problem with that is the American mindset on cartoons, the so called "animation age ghetto". Americans, and to a lesser extent Euros, won't watch a cartoon, even in a prime time slot, as most think cartoons are for kids, unless it's some raunchy comedy cartoon like the Simpsons or Family Guy, but this also colors their perception as they expect any cartoon that's not for kids to be like those "comedies"
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>>100085682
Nips want shit they can promote proudly, not SHAMFUR DISPRAY.
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>>100085928
Those are for teenagers, won't fly on western TV, unless it's Adult Swim.
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When SnK gets localized they'll see.
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Who gives a shit? Anime is for fucking losers in any country. Fuck Japan.
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Japan should promote suicide amongst Otaku to kill them off quickly. The whole waiting for them to just kick it since they won't breed thing isn't working.
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>>100085108

What we need are HBO quality Anime. Not this "BUY OUR BD FOR NIPPLES!"
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>>100084740
This is because SHAFT and KyoAni pandering shit.

Throw some budget at Trigger and DEEN and wait for nice things to happen.
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Maybe they should just try harder to bring shows they already have over, instead of whining about shit. I mean they have a series like Precure, which is a huge fucking merchandising franchise, and they don't even bother to bring that over. It could have easily filled in a spot that shows like sailor moon left vacant.

Not just little girls either, look at those faggot bronies. They'd probably eat up a little girl cartoon like Precure if the dub was at least not complete shit. They're just not trying hard enough or perhaps don't realize that marketing is like 90% of the reason for franchise success amongst the wider population of retards.
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>I want anime to be more popular
Why would anyone want this
Just look at what happened to the fucking video game industry

Are you mentally impaired?
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>>100086147
>tfw this is me
Maybe I really should kill myself.
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>>100086222
epic ruse friend
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>>100086222
Throwing money at DEEN would be about as productive as stuffing dollar bills into Terri Schiavo's bra, and you know it.
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NIPPON NEEDS TO MAKE MORE JAPANIMATIONS FOR A WESTERN AUDIENCE

JAPANIMATIONS LIKE ROBOTECH AND POKEMONS
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>>100086130
What will they see. The only thing likely to happen to SnK is for it to end up on Adult Swim, and then the only people it will be new for are the ones who didn't watch it online first.
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>>100086237
i fucking hate this muh sekrit club mentality
kill yourself
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>>100086147
>>100086200

Or promote KPOP in Akibahara, aggressively push the horrible genre into the area by aggressively pushing up rent in tenants or pull BS

worked well here in Vancouver, now there is only one anime store left and all of the anime bookstores have closed.
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>>100086222
Sakura Trick is saving animu.
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>>100085041
Space Dandy is good but it will not change the industry even a bit,it doesn't offer anything new, is just pretty animation and typical american humor.
Evangelion and Bebop were the last anime that did something that made change the industry, I don't care if you like those animes or not but is true
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>>100086237
It's all about YENS/
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>>100084740
Is it really?

From 2011 till now we have had a pretty big stream of successful anime. Madoka, Steins Gate and F/Z, then in 2012 Nisemonogatari SAO and F/Z 2. 2013 had some break outs but it was mostly SnK carrying the industry which specked for itself with the manga selling 15 million in 1 year and the anime being a success world wide.
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>With the exception of a few shining stars who continued to push boundaries, such as Miyazaki, Satoshi Kon, Shinichiro Watanabe and Mamoru Hosoda
And Iyasama, SnK is popular everywhere.
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>>100086261
You totally should, dude.
Post pictures of it.
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>>100086348
How did Bebop change the industry? It didn't.
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>>100086335
>Or promote KPOP in Akibahara
They would never do that, it'd compete with the Idol industry. That and Japs think Korean are sub-human monkeys.
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>>100084740
>choosing to target a tiny but reliable domestic audience of die-hard anime otaku (obsessives) rather than gambling on new productions for the mainstream
Wow, what a fucking shock. Businesses like reliable income.
So are they going to subsidize flops that aim at a wider audience or just bitch and hope things will change?
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Master list of animes that changed the industry:

>
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>>100086237
>Just look at what happened to the fucking video game industry

You think these large companies give a shit about you? They see you as nothing but a dollar and having more of these dollars buying their games no matter how scummy or cancerous they are gives them money. Video games are in a decline because of this practice.
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>>100086392
but he is a hack
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>>100086147
What are idiots like you even doing on this board?
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>>100086261
Luck you, you've got a chair. I've just been using my bed as a chair since my chair broke. I think I'm destroying my spine.
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>>100086348
Those shows didn't do anything that wasn't done before. Just because you have shit taste and like them, doesn't mean they're good, let alone industry changers.
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>>100086348
Bebop didn't change shit.
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Japan is over. All the cool kids play with Korea now.
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>>100086147

So, Robin Williams is a faggot?

Cool story bro.
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>>100086445
Doesn't matter what he is. Japan is looking for big blockbuster franchises and SnK became one this year.
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>>100086382
All of those are local successes, well known amongst foreign anime fans, but not really anyone else. What they want is another anime like Sailor Moon or Dragon Ball which is well known the world over.
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>>100086428
Look on the bright side - we'll get a bunch of trainwrecks like fucking Night Raid out of this, at best.
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>>100086348
>bebop change the industry

I've watched over 20 animes and can confirm this
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>>100086423

For the greater good! They want to be seen as cool. They got to start felliatong American cock.
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>>100086382
The problem is just that: All of those shows, aside from SnK, have a very niche appeal for one reason or another.
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>>100086462
Making fun of fucking losers like you basement dwellers.
Weeb.
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If the Japanese government wants studios to create more anime for normalfags, they should give these studios funding to do so. Otherwise, sit down and shut up.
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>>100086392
>And Iyasama, SnK is popular everywhere.
I'd like to know who SnK is popular with other than weebs?
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>>100086348
>Space Dandy is good but it will not change the industry even a bit,it
From the person who only watched the first episode
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also
>miyazaki
>pushing borders

miyazaki hasn't pushed SHIT but a few pieces of Disneyfied trash in many, many years. Holy shit, wasn't his last movie just a moeblob piece of shit about a cute seahorse named pugyuu~ or something?
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>>100086442
Anime industry is actually grabbed by the balls by its fans anon.

Look at what happened to yamakan.
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>>100086564
All you're doing is showing what an insecure beta you are for doing that online. If you had a spine you'd say it to peoples' faces.
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>>100086564
>trollface
For the sake of /a/'s quality, nobody reply to this guy
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>>100086498
You should probably get glasses.
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So they want to pass the loli ban and the tighter IP laws in order to kill off the Otaku industry?

They are just going to kill it all entirely.
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>>100086498
Yes, he is.
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>>100086147
>basement dweller
>window
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>>100086608
No, his last movie was about Jiro Horikoshi, the man who designed Japanese fighter planes during World War II.
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>>100086592
How would it change the industry? It's just a comedy that is currently bombing.
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>>100086610
Nothing happened. He's still shoveling derivative, moe-filled anime, all the while shouting out against such things.
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>>100086623
Say that to my face, faggot.
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Serious question.

Does Anime have to be mainstream culture?
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Interesting how they're simultaneously getting all nationalistic and aggressive in foreign policy, and trying to get the anime industry to "turn outward". If they're going to go full retard with the stimulus packages, they can always just pay whichever studio to animate whatever they want.
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>>100086608
No his last movie was about a Japanese aviator who designed the Zero.
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Do these stupid nips not realize their own business model? How are they supposed to achieve "wide appeal" if they air the majority of series past midnight and price their shit so that every otaku pays like three people's share?
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>>100086577
Do you never leave your basement, it's been popular with normalfags since the anime
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I'm not too sure what they are trying to get at here. Are they trying to say that anime is getting less creative, or less popular with the mainstream audience? 'Pushing boundaries' and making popular anime for an outward market are not same thing. In fact, recent shows that have almost achieved global popularity (SAO, SnK etc) completely contradicts what OP is saying.

Out of the directors that is listed, only Miyazaki can be considered to have been at the same time creative and widely popular. Satoshi Kon is hardly popular outside niche circles and connosieurs and the same can be said for the other two, although Bebop is pretty damn popular. I don't see why they shouldn't recruit Shinbo for this purpose: his shows panders to the lowest common denominator of the population and Bake and Madoka have become household names in Japan.
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>>100086577
idk, ask the New York Times. They say SnK's volumes are constantly in the top 5 and it's outselling most american comics in the us.
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>>100086698

When you see a incest character on a fucking train, I'm pretty sure it's mainstream.
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>>100086610
Yamakan shits where he eats.

>>100086442
You're also forgetting the insane marketing that makes devs pan a game a failure even if it sold a few million copies.
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>>100086608
>>100086672
Anno will animate Naucicaa manga, surely saving anime for good.
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>>100086698
Depends. Would you like to see it mentioned often in The Big Bang Theory by Sheldon Bazinga?
It'd turn /a/ into a cesspit of idiots, who know nothing about it.(it isn't sarcasm, you faggots)
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What's with all those retarded crossboarders on late night /a/?
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The anime industry has increasingly looked inwards, that's true.

Thing that didn't stop it from becoming increasingly popular outside Japan. For better or for worse, anime is fucking huge today
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>>100086698
It is mainstream in Japan, and they're a bunch of fucking loser japs.
Don't let that happen to Murica.
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>>100086698
To generate much monies, yes.
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>>100086799
Its weekend, kids are allowed to use internets and stay up pretty late.
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>>100086793
>It'd turn /a/ into a cesspit of idiots, who know nothing about it.(it isn't sarcasm, you faggots)

So it wouldn't change anything? That's good to know.
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>>100086576
Unfortunately for them they have no idea what westerners want, I also think they don't realize that your average westerner think all cartoons are for kids. Then throw on top that almost every western country has a different past with anime, for America it was DBZ and Sailor Moon, for Spics it's Mazinger and other classic giant robot shows, and the French and Germans still watch anime in general to my knowledge.
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>>100086808
Not in America compared to the mid-00s. What Japan is trying to figure out is why.
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>>100086799
/v/ has set up permanent camp on /a/, at least until KlK finishes airing. But even before that, late night /a/ was been ruined by Australians.
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>>100086799
Guess what just aired on Toonami
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Japan needs to get over the fact that they just don't have influence anymore. The days of the 90s are over, everyone wants Korean shit now. Korea is the new Japan to the world and it's time to move on.
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>>100086717
More importantly they don't seem to have any idea what the business model looks like for the rest of the world. How do they plan to make serious money off of cheap/free online streams to teenagers.
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>>100086382
Those are all late night anime.

Madoka is the most successful of those franchises and yet it's still no where near the level of awareness that DBZ, Pokemon, Sailor Moon, or Gundam had in the west. They don't want things successful amongst anime fans, what they want is something successful with the wider population of morons who probably don't even know what most anime is.
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>>100086829
It's far from mainstream there, man. If anything, the non-normalfag shit is farther under the surface.
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>>100086733
They haven't sold American Comics outside of comic shops in over a decade. When I was a kid in the 90's I ride my bicycle over to pretty much any drug store or supermarket and find at least a spin rack with marvel and DC cape comics. Not any more, and in a lot of ways the American comic market has mirrored the anime one in Japan. The only thing even keeping comics anywhere in the mind of the mainstream is decades worth of pure name recognition for the same old superheroes, and the summer movies from the last few years.
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>>100084740

>You'll never be part of the Japan Pop Sub-Committee
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>>100086625
>For the sake of /a/'s quality
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>>100086716
In my whole life I've met 2 people outside of the internet that knew about anime that wasn't shit we all watched as kids or aired on adult swim. Never heard of people outside of anime circles talking about SNK either.

>>100086733
They say SnK's volumes are constantly in the top 5 and it's outselling most american comics in the us.
>outselling most american comics in the us

That's not much of an accomplishment, no one reads comic books.
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>>100086893
Korea had its 15 minutes of fame with Gangnam Style. Everyone has forgotten them again by now.
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>>100086556
This.

Like or hate SnK it doesn't matter. This shit is probably the most popular anime world wide in the last decade. Never seen a show take off so fast and appeal to casuals everywhere. Fucking everyone is wearing those Survey Corps shirts.
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>>100086893
>Korean VANK propaganda

Fuck off back to Koreansentry
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>>>>>>>>>>>being a hipster
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>>100086963
Thank God, these old fucks clearly have no idea what the fuck they're doing.
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SATOSHI KON IS DEAAAAAAAD
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>>100087054
Nice post.
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>>100086963
I'm part of the Japan Pop Sub-Committee.
Ask me anything.
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>>100086953
Barnes and Nobles sell comics
Have been since New 52 and Marvel Now
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>>100087037
>This shit is probably the most popular anime world wide in the last decade.
You must be joking. Shit like Haruhi, Code Geass and Death Note achieved far bigger success with normies.
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>>100087113

Can I be part of the Japan Pop Sub-Committee?
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>>100086883
Are you kidding? Haruhi came out in 2006. Anime used to be restricted to crazy videophiles. It is much more popular today ( though obviously not mainstream)
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>>100087113
>thumbnail
Retard.
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>>100086722
>Bake and Madoka have become household names in Japan.
It isn't

Seriously no one care about Madoka in Japan mainstream, it's just Aniplex advertizing everywhere try to make it like new Evangelion.
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>>100086698
Manga would be mainstream, I don't think there's a Japanese person between 8-60 that hasn't read manga at least once in their life. It's a lot easier to get into and really cheap, you can read it whenever.

Anime on the otherhand is aired late at night so the people who watch it are usually otaku or NEET
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>>100087094
He's in a better place now. ;_;
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>>100087116
Do they sell monthly releases or just TPBs?
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>outselling most american comics in the us.

That's not hard. The "mainstream" comic book industry is a giant pot of steaming shit right now. DC and Marvel makes sure of that.
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>>100084740
So we are going to get more SnK and SAO?
RIP anime medium
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>>100087149
No whiteys.
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>>100086921
SnK is the closest thing to that then. At least in a while, I know more people that haven't even heard of madoka steins gate or f/z but mention SnK.
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>>100087116
His point was that you don't see comics out side of specialty stores any more (yes B&N is a specialty store), before you could find them in every liquor store, corner market, and newstand. Comics are niche now.
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>>100087219
Both
Although Marvel is pulling back to develop their own digital store
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>>100086893
>Worst Corea
>not our glorious Asiatic overlords the Chinese

I bet you faggots don't even want to be poor and eat nothing but rice all week while working in a sweatshop.
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>>100087238

Fuck you Japan Pop Sub-Committee I hope your country continues in recession and becomes even worse than Argentina
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>>100087231
>DC and Marvel makes sure of that
>Not Diamond
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Only anime for kids will be successful outside of Japan
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>>100087303
Hey, Chinese here, fuck you. Also fuck Japan for raping us.
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>>100086893
What does Korea even have other than shitty k-pop?
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>>100087258
>Comics are niche now.
That's kind of sad, kids should read more comics.
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It means they want more franchises to run on for six years too long. Otaku-focused anime may not the greatest thing, but having more mediocre 200+ episode-long shows based on big IPs is honestly a much worse alternative and only punishes small titles for being small titles.
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>>100086220
Or AMC quality.

>>100086733
Well the american comic industry itself is in the fucking toilet as is. Any western stuff that is even slightly decent is usually a webcomic, and that rarely generates any cash.

>>100086884
We'll fukn glass ya fairy moe pooftah

>>100086878
You shitting me? All you need to do is have a series where the MC isn't a fucking beta. hell i'll write out a plot right now.

A Dukes of Hazzard style show set it in rural (mountainous) Japan in the 80's featuring:

- 2 main leads and a hot piece of wincest cousin ass
- A local shrine with a pair of miko twins, their loli little sister, and a milfy dog godess
- A semi blind/deaf bozu with a large collection of guns and explosives
-Ridiculous 80’s mullets and hairdos
- A tricked out Datsun 280, complete with chase scenes and deadly jumps
- Stereotypic fat corporate villain looking to buy out the town with a group of retarded henchmen.
- Obligatory Ghost episode featuring dead samurai from the warring states period and reenactment battles
- Alpha scenes where the MC's are implied to have nailed a slag.

The basic idea would be to fill the show with equal amounts of action, comedy, and some TnA fanservice, while also “appearing” to have morals behind it.
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Need another FMA. SnK is shit.
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>>100086829
Don't let it happen to us? For what? Almost nothing we've got bears anything worth "defending" these days. Our mainstream is fucking garbage, worse than Japan's. I'd rather the hip thing be nip toons than wannabe nigger culture, reality TV shows, and dubstep listenin', CoD-playing 420 swag yolo faggots. Our mainstream culture today is in fact far more fucking degenerate than anime these days, it utterly panders to the lowest common denominators of people.
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Ttongsul
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>>100087328
SnK is for kids ?
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>>100087348
Honestly with how comics are these days, not they shouldn't.
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>>100087335
Are my shoes done yet?
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>>100087037
What Survey Corps shirts?
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>>100087335
Don't you have corporate secrets to steal?
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>>100085682
Basing your business off of the service of a very niche market is not at all sustainable. There isn't millions of otaku running around Japan, and as more production committees make shit catered to them, the more diluted the market becomes with pantsu bullshit that hikkomoris don't have the income to pay for. Eventually a market dependent on a singular target audience is going to collapse in on itself, in order for anime to survive it must have a wider reach socially inept outcasts who are unemployed and will likely commit suicide in 5 years.
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>>100084740
Welcome to a year ago, dumbfuck. Really took you long enough to make a thread.

It's not like we've had this same thread for like 100 times already.

Retard.
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>>100087388
>shonen
Yep.
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>>100084740
>Government trying to change something they don't understand
Every time, they make stupid shit based on nothing, it doesn't work and then wonder why it didn't work.
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>>100087306
Fuck you, nigger!
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>>100087403
Aren't comics either super edgy or super leftist nowadays?

I know that that British superhero is now a feminist muslim or something.
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>>100087371
Jesus Christ, American TV is currently in its golden age. I'm not even one of you fat fucks and I can appreciate that you have worthy cultural exports.
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>>100087388
It is a show for young teens.
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>>100086577
You gotta be kidding me
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>>100087426
wider reach beyond*
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>>100087371
Well, don't forget those juggalos, worse than white trash.
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>>100087348
I blame modern DC and Marvel capeshit and the franco-belgian comic scene dying out.
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>>100087254
SnK isn't even close. They want dub shit, they want massive appeal like battle shonen for young boys/girls. They want something they can broadcast on saturday mornings or late evenings for kids to watch. SnK isn't anything like that.
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>>100087453

I'm white!
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>>100087413
>>100087423
Nice try, Japan/Korea/Indochina
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>>100087348
You would think Marvel and DC would try to appeal to kids, and a general audience, now that they had some of the biggest movies this past decade.

But they don't.
DC Nation has been a complete clusterfuck, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is terrible, Arrow...surprisingly decent. Other than Ultimate Spider-Man, what else does Marvel have?
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>>100087360
>You shitting me? All you need to do is have a series where the MC isn't a fucking beta. hell i'll write out a plot right now.
The problem is not the content, the problem is that American think that cartoons are for kids, and anime is for losers. In order for it to be popular here it'd either have to be a kids show (Japan has plenty) or some shit like Family Guy, ie a comedy show with "adult humor".
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>>100086335
You mean anime culture in vancouver was killed by kpop? thats horrible!
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It's hard to take something Japanese and make it palatable to the general Western audience because Japan is so fucking Japanese. It's mad easy for a Canadian studio to sell a show to the US. You can barely tell the difference. But a Japanese show will always seem foreign. Not the art style, but just the pacing, the character interactions, the niggling details of what the show thinks is important. No amount of localization can cover all that up. Only anime fags like us have come to understand that shit on the anime's terms. Normal people in the West though? They don't have time for that. It narrative styling just feels off-beat and foreign to them and they will watch something that fits into their conceptions of how a TV show should progress.
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You people act as if HBO and AMC are any less pandering bullshit. The only difference is that anime is made of cute girls doing cute things while HBO is criminals doing illegal things.
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>>100087506
Oh please, they can just cut out the blood like they do in Naruto.
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>>100087524
Well, are my shoes finished?
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>>100087516
Then you heard me the first time, whitey.
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>>100087536

Comics are too convoluted for me
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>>100087158
>not buying anime at your local Suncoast
Late 90's through mid 00's was the anime boom in the U.S. Digital fansubbing hadn't really taken off yet, and licensors had 15-20 years worth of back catalog to bring over from Japan. People bought anime. There wasn't a lot of other options at the time. A handful of shows were on Toonami, and you'd sometimes find broadcast networks airing things like Sailor Moon or Dragonball really early in the morning, after school, or weekend mornings. You could maybe rent a few things at video stores. By and large, though, if you wanted anime you paid $25-$30 for two episodes on a VHS tape, and later DVDs with 2-4 episodes. Mid 00's manga took off as well. Eventually the normals moved on, as they are wont to do. Suncoast et. all went out of business, many anime & manga licensors closed up shop, and the ones that remained scaled down their acquisitions and output dramatically. Meanwhile, digital fansubs had risen enough to be viable for people that had more than a passing interest and giving them respite from the burst bubble.
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>>100087476
Comics either rely on decade long 'continuity' or hamfisted poorly planned events that do nothing but ensure the status quo.

I'm positive that Ms. Marvel (the Muslim teenage superhero) is a stunt that will last only a few issues.
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Shounen anime is the only anime America cares about. Just localize Hunter x Hunter 2011 series.
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Woooooooooow

Big-fucking-deal

Remember me /a/?
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>>100087426
The business is not sustainable at all though. It's based on an outdated practice that most people don't want or care about anymore. So far their only chance of survival has been to latch onto a bunch of diehards who won't let go.
Just because you have a wider appeal doesn't mean those markets will suddenly come into being.
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>>100087343
Movies with downer endings and make you feel like shit.
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>>100087158
Remember what anime was like in America around that time. Multiple networks were trying anime blocks, Best Buy had 2 aisles for just anime, anything and everything was getting licensed, and Miyazaki was getting critical acclaim left and right.

That's what Japan wishes it could go back to.
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>>100087616

Is that famous comedian
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>>100087478
No pantsu, no point.
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>>100087426
Anime that aren't toy commercials like Gundam or aimed at small girls like Precure have always been niche you faggot. Look at the four series listen in the OP.

>toy commercial
>advertisement for the game
>advertisement for the manga
>shit for little girls

Anime is the same as it's always been. The only difference is that Western (and they, of course, mean American) children are more interested in realistic gun violence and sex than superpower bullshit.
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>>100087371
>Cherrypicks all the shit aspects of 'murrican culture

Lets see now we have:
-Game of Thrones (4th fucking season)
-The Walking Dead
-The Wire
-Archer (which i think /a/ needs a heavy dose of)
-Breaking Bad
-Castle (Canadians but american made)
-Other shit i cant remember right now

Bring on the condescending hate assholes.
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>Captain America (the very avatar of FREEDOM) gets assassinated by Tony Stark, obscenely rich drunken dirtbag military-industrial arms manufacturer, because he opposed Tony Stark's authoritarian agenda
>Captain America gets replaced by a fascist fuck
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>>100087623

You mean to tell me there are other Korean movies besides Old Boy?
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>>100087478
>American TV is currently in its golden age
>No X-Files
>No Farscape
>No Stargate SG-1
>Golden Age

Haha, no.
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>>100087601
>wont to do
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>>100087713
lol wut
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>>100087706
>GoT
>good
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>>100087558
Don't forget the sex, violence and nudity!
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>>100087489
I'm really not, outside of people who I know already watch anime, I haven't known anyone who knows about SNK, I'll also mention that this is mostly from work as, I don't have many RL friends and even then their interests line up with mine so of course they know about popular anime. Also when I say normies, I mean regular ass people, not normalfags.
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>>100086237
>Just look at what happened to the fucking video game industry
Oh yeah, the advent of the indie game revolution was such a fucking travesty.

Go back to
>>>/v/
You fucking chicken little.
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>>100087706
>-Game of Thrones (4th fucking season)
>-The Walking Dead
>-The Wire
>-Archer (which i think /a/ needs a heavy dose of)
>-Breaking Bad
>-Castle (Canadians but american made)
>-Other shit i cant remember right now

Seriously all other countries watch our media.

And it's not even niche for them, it's just all they know.
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>>100087706

Isn't Game of Thrones that series only normalfags like?
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>>100087549
>some shit like Family Guy, ie a comedy show with "adult humor"
Doesn't Gintama basically fulfill this? There's plenty of comedy in it that Americlaps can enjoy.
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>>100087506
They said the same thing about alot of other stuff but honestly the soccermoms dont know shit and america's violence tolerance has gone to IDGAF standards nowadays, sex and nip slips nah but man can they stand violence/profanity.
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>>100087745
Isn't Farscape an Australian TV show?
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>>100087556
I think it's more of a direct culture clash than that.

Sometimes I watch Japanese Drama's/shows because my mom does, and The comedies mostly rely on "cultural in-jokes" if you will, that westerners would not understand. Things like humans acting out a stereotypical manga scene or even as simple as highschoolers going to arcades afterschool.

I mean, who the fuck goes to arcades in NA?
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>>100087601
>Suncoast
No
Never again
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>>100087745
>GoT
>Mad Men
>Masters of Sex
>Top of the Lake
>Girls
>Orphan Black
>Orange is the new Black
etc. etc.

It's a good time to be alive, and not just thanks to Saki s2.
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>>100087478
>American TV
You mean that thing were they have 5 commercial breaks 20 minutes episode?
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>>100087706
The only two that are watchable are Castle and Archer.
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>>100087713

>Captain America death

Isn't this like the four time that happened?
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Anime i dead. Fansubbing is dead. Lolis are dead! Everything you love will cease to exist! All is lost!
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>>100087706
>-Game of Thrones (4th fucking season)

Bastardized shit

>-The Walking Dead

Boring shit

>-The Wire

Black culture worship shit

>-Archer (which i think /a/ needs a heavy dose of)

unfunny shit

>-Breaking Bad

Drug culture shit

>-Castle (Canadians but american made)

Who gives a shit shit

American culture output is nothing but masturbating the worst aspects of humanity and glorying in the rain of semen spewing forth from it.
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>>100087792
It's too Japanese for anyone who isn't constantly emersed in Japanese crap.
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>my face when even incest fanservice manga sell more than Cape Comics now
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>>100087706
>The Walking Dead
I don't know why anyone would watch past season 3.
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>>100087822
How have you never seen an hour-long drama before?
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>>100087478
/tv/ pls.
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does this mean they're making anime more casual friendly?

no glorious nippon pls dont
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>>100087713
Look at those fucking pannels. If the author expects me to read all that shit, he should at least use a better font.
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>>100087625
Toonami was the engine keeping it all going, and it got axed in 2008 because cartoon network had that disastrous attempt to transition over to live-action shows.

The other thing was that pirating anime became the utter standard, in good part because it is both the only way to get a lot of series not sold overseas and essentially the only way to watch current stuff in Japan. Well there's Crunchyroll now, but >crunchyshit >streaming. People still watch anime, just not on TV, and it's not monetized like it used to be hence there's no benefit to having aisles of it in stores. The move of media to online streaming has set this in stone, it's not just anime either, look at Blockbuster shutting down. People don't buy/rent shit in person anymore, they just don't.
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>>100087905
I hope you're ready for anime laugh tracks.
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Now do you know why the blue & pink rabbits need to come back?

I don't care how much Warners & Amblin what, TMS needs to bring them back with the episodes costing $5 to 8 million US dollars to make as TMS is one of the few studios in Japan besides Ghibli that whats animation to appeal to everyone, not just young kids & otaku.

Please TMS, please bring back Tiny Toons, your prime minister & emperor demand it.
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>>100087713
BUCKLEY EAT YOUR HEART OUT
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>>100087774
That's funny because I know normalfags who aren't anime fans watch SnK and doesn't know about Code Geass
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>>100086382
The thing is, even though anime quality has started to rise since 2011 following a couple of years of stagnation, the industry is now locked into a late night otaku fueled market.


The problem isn't insurmountable, but it'd take government funding to fix it.

I think giving out money to experimental series would help, also trying to free up prime time slots would do good as well. They have to bring anime into the mainstream of Japan before they can really bring it over here. Making it mainstream in America would be very hard. I could see it happening if Toonami continues to grow, but we'll have to see.
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>>100087478
There are a few high profile US TV shows, and they are really great.

But Japan produces 2 or 3 shows every fucking season I enjoy the shit out. They are lower in quality, but the ennjoyment is much higher, especially whent eh US shows start dragging out because of their success.
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>>100087478
>Jesus Christ, American TV is currently in its golden age.
That's bullshit. Nothing will ever beat the ratings of the MASH finale.
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>>100087782
Pretty much. They took out any mildly complex/interesting dynamics/politics/lore that was barely present to begin with and replaced them with leltits.
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>>100087185
>The most profitable manga/anime related franchises in 2012
>001 Anpanman-------7.82%-------119,959,000,000
>003 Pokemon-------6.00%-------92,040,000,000
>005 One Piece-------4.23%-------64,888,200,000
>006 PreCure series-------4.14%-------63,507,600,000
>011 Gundum series-------2.19%-------33,594,600,000
>019 Doraemon-------1.24%-------19,021,600,000
>021 Jewelpet-------1.21%-------18,561,400,000
>025 Miku Hatsune-------0.73%-------11,198,200,000
>029 Neon Genesis Evangelion-------0.61%-------9,357,400,000
>035 Dragon Ball series-------0.50%-------7,670,000,000
>037 Totoro-------0.44%-------6,749,600,000
>039 Madoka Magica-------0.43%-------6,596,200,000
>041 Naruto-------0.40%-------6,136,000,000
>051 Natsume Yuujinchou-------0.34%-------5,215,600,000
>052 Tiger and Bunny-------0.33%-------5,062,200,000
>054 Vocaloid-------0.30%-------4,602,000,000
>056 Fate series-------0.30%-------4,602,000,000
>060 Yu-Gi-Oh-------0.28%-------4,295,200,000
>062 Gintama-------0.26%-------3,988,400,000
>067 Kuroko's Basketball-------0.23%-------3,528,200,000
>069 UtaPrince-------0.21%-------3,221,400,000
>074 Detective Conan-------0.19%-------2,914,600,000
>075 Bakemonogatari-------0.18%-------2,761,200,000
>078 Macross-------0.16%-------2,454,400,000
>080 Prince of Tennis-------0.15%-------2,301,000,000
>081 Shin-chan-------0.15%-------2,301,000,000
>083 Persona series-------0.15%-------2,301,000,000
>086 Toriko-------0.13%-------1,994,200,000
>087 Strike Witches-------0.13%-------1,994,200,000
>089 Jojo's Bizarre Adventure-------0.12%-------1,840,800,000
>100 Nanoha series-------0.10%-------1,534,000,000

Madoka had nothing in 2012 and it still raked in that much revenue. You're a retard.
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>>100087932
by Tidus
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>>100087934
Tiny Toons is just Animaniacs: Beta Release.
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>>100087953
They probably have a tumblr
That's how SnK got big here in the states
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>>100087747
That is a correct turn of phrase. Normals as a group always have a short attention span. Trends exist because they can't sustain long-term interest.
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>>100087792
Gintama could, really any show could, look what they did with Crayon Shin-chan, but it would have to be heavily edited and localized, I doubt the end product would be even recognizable as Gintama
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>>100087884
In civilized countries, TV isn't allowed to have more than one commercial break per show to prevent bullshit like American TV where you watch more commercials than content
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>>100087706
Go home reddi/tv/. You're drunk.
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The Simpsons and Family Guy need to die before general anime will have mainstream appeal in the USA.
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>>100087821
I've no idea what those tv shows are. The only things I'm following is Chicago Fire and Supernatural merely out of habit.
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>>100087706
Why are there people who watch western TV on /a/? Go the fuck back to /tv/.
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>>100087792
It could, and I'm a diehard Gintama fan myself, but in all honesty, its far too centered in japanese culture to work. The official tankoubon version couldnt even do the classic Zura/Katsura joke right.

>>100087768
Good, questionable; popular, undeniably true, when you get covered in both rolling stone and Southpark you know your mainstream popular.

>>100087780
Name one current european show (outside of the office which we copied) that manstream america currently follows

protip: you can't

>>100087782
Yes and thats the point.
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>>100087872

I don't know why anybody even watched it past season 2. The evil white man with an eyepatch season was just bad. Not even Japan thinks a katana is a good weapon in a zombie apocalypse, Saeko only uses one because chopping human bodies up with a sword gets her wet.
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>>100088035
If you cut out commercials
product placements would come in
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>>100087706
This nigger gets it.
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>>100087986
This is the criticism people default to when they've seen all of the first two episodes.
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>>100088086
I'd rather a character drink a can of Coke that watch a minute long coke ad.
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>>100088020
>That's how SnK got big here in the states
No, it gained popularity through people watching and telling other people to watch it. It all started out with that PV that got 3.5 million views before it aired.
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>>100088035
that's funny because for most countries their primary source of media is American media.

Except for Britain, they actually have a decent entertainment industry that stands on it's own.
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>>100087994
>039 Madoka Magica-------0.43%-------6,596,200,000
>041 Naruto-------0.40%-------6,136,000,000
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>Anime now panders to normalfags
>Half of each season is now shounens

It's the same that happened to videogames with FPS'
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>>100088069
Well, no wonder you think American TV is shit if you watch shit shows.
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>>100088074
>Name one current european show (outside of the office which we copied) that manstream america currently follows

Downton Abbey
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>>100088103
I've seen them all, only God knows why.

They've butchered nigh on every major scene and character, especially past the first season.
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>>100088020
cool assumption, SnK is popular in more places than just USA
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>>100088130

>Not knowing of latinoamerica and their superior telenovelas that are superior to everything forever
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>>100088035
>try to watch foreign show on american channel
>awkward commercial breaks in mid-scene

Anime is especially guilty of this.
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>>100088153
I'm not him, though.
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>>100088144
but you have to wonder where madoka will actually be in a decade. Highly doubt in the top 50.
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>>100087956
>I think giving out money to experimental series would help, also trying to free up prime time slots would do good as well.
They've tried that, multiple time, it doesn't work because normal people don't buy BD's, which with the way the industry is set up, means those types of shows are unsustainable. The only anime that doesn't rely on BD sales are kids shows like Precure and Pokemon which rely on merch sales. Honestly, if they don't want to export only kids shows for toy money, they'd have to rebuild the industry from the ground up.
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I don't really mind this kind of thing, western-influenced and retro-style anime makes my dick rock hard. Subsidize all the flops you want, Nobuyuki-sama, I'll be right here enjoying them like a kid on Christmas. Anything to get away from the beta protagonist horseshit plaguing otherwise perfectly good anime.
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This is going to be a disaster
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>>100088130
Yes
Dr.Who and Sherlock is tops
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>>100087722
Old Boy movie is based on the Japanese manga.
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>>100088168
>Britain
>Europe

>>100088193
Fuck off spic.
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>>100087994
when will 2013 come out?

Betting SnK is between miku and precure
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>>100087841
then pray tell give me a shining example of your country's glorified culture worth mentioning,

oh wait you cant either.

People don't want to watch boring on TV, they want exciting to escape the boredom of reality, hell its why most of /a/ exists.


>>100088042
top kek, not even reddit, born and raised here in the butthurt autism of /a/ since '06

>>100087823
I'd have to agree with you IMO, but most other people count the rest of the list as good.

Oh also forgot to mention

-Arrested Development
-Eastward and Down

and the one I absolutely despise:
-The big bang theory
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why doesn't japan start exporting anime to latinamerica.

faggots over there love that shit
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>>100088205
Probably not since it probably won't have new material since it's not a weekly/monthly series. As much as people bitch about Rebellion being a cash cow, Madoka is FAAAAAAAAAAAR better off than every mainstream franchises when it comes to whoring out.

Also
>074 Detective Conan-------0.19%-------2,914,600,000
Is Conan dying?
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>>100088317
>IMO
>since '06

Sure thing.
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>>100088085
I wish I stopped at season 1. Season 2 was one of the most boring things I've seen on tv and season 3 was just a disappointment.
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>>100088193
Yeah, I keep seeing bit and pieces of their shows all over the Internet, like Beating Someone to Death 101, Cutting Heads for Dummies and How to Start Your Own Cartel Documentaries.
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>>100088072
>multiple interests = crossboarding
Gee whiz
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>>100088130
That's not true, American media is popular but its rarely the primary source of media.
Do'nt talk about shit you don't know about
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>>100088211
I don't know. I see America developing its own late night anime scene similar to what Japan has only with more normalfag titles populating it. Similar to what Toonami is now, only one a few more channels.

As for Japan, I really can't say, as I don't know what the Japanese people expect in entertainment. But, to be honest, marketing series as kids shows isn't necessarily a bad thing. Evangelion had a large younger viewership if memory serves.
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>>100088223
>>100088223
But gooks added incest, thus making a mediocre badly drawn shit into a masterpiece.
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>>100088334
Only if we swap the cast with Saint Seiya characters.
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>>100086030

>they think that it's the content rather than the retarded business practices on both sides that blocks this.

It's both though. the things that appeal the most to the west aren't the niche anime that appeal to the hardcore otaku, but something with a more general appeal, like all of the things made by the directors listed in the OP.
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>>100088334
Honestly it just feels like they've been trying to appeal to America for the longest time but that shit clearly hasn't worked for various reasons. Least of which being the stigma against animation of any form.

I say abandon ship and just try to appeal to spic and euros. You know, people who actually like anime.
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>>100088334
>spics
>having money

Come one anon, they're trying to run a business
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>>100088368
This is bait.
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>>100088010
Just replace some of the segments on Animaniacs and replace them with the blue & pink rabbits.

It's for Japan's own good.
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YOU KNOW WHO'S REALLY TO BLAME FOR ALL OF THIS?

THE JEWS
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>>100087994
Well, you just ask random people in the street and guess 9 out of 10 still dont know what Madoka is

And stop believe viral marketing and post that bullshit
The CharaBizDATA is not reliable
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>>100087343
good starcraft players and Apple 2.0Samsung
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>>100085913
>https://www.ana-cooljapan.com/japanfare/?cid=INT12080003
Dear god. Its only like $100 for a ticket to japan. This is disgusting. I have 80 hours of vacation time saved up at work because I am a loaner with no life. I know where I am going.
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>>100088072
Because unlike you I actually have a life and need to understand the shit the casuals are talking about at the watercooler if I want to have any social interaction and get a beer later.

Tl'dr
Your autistic beta is showing
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>>100088413

And voices from famous football players like Messi
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>>100088441
How the fuck is it bait? He's right.
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>Government trying spread culture.

That has to be one of the worst ideas ever.
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>>100087813
nope ended a long time ago
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>>100088441
This is reactionary and poorly argued bullshit from someone who's probably himself part of the recent /v/ influx.
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>>100088456
Obviously.
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>>100088432
Yeah it's surprising how hard they try to appeal to Americans while mangas sells pretty good in places like France and Germany
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>>100088505
>not putting the culture slider up 100% in civ iii and taking over the world
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>>100088505
Do not worry comrade, for the culture revolution shall flourish.
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>>100088471
>Its only like $100 for a ticket to japan
Let's tone down the exaggeration here.
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>>100088457
>Well, you just ask random people in the street and guess 9 out of 10 still dont know what Madoka is
Prove it.
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>>100088497
Yeah, let's all start discussing offtopic shit, because that's what /a/ is for, amirite?
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Does this mean that the Government will fund Yamakan to save Anime?
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>>100088296
SnK couldn't even top the average BD sales and you're somehow thinking it's going to be that high? Either you're really new or highly delusional.

>>100088205
Who knows. Reminder that this is 2012 revenue and 2013 is going to be all about Rebellion money. They could try and turn the series into Eva 2.0 like Aniplex wants and release a bunch of other shit but in my opinion their best course of action is wrapping up the story of the 5 girls in a second season/more movies and then going for spin-off series instead of trying to drag the main cast out until they ruin the franchise.
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>>100088478
>Watching something just because other people do.
>Calling someone else beta.
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>>100088435
>implying
>A new analysis on Mexico’s videogame consumption was released today. Despite Brazil having the first place as a consumer, Mexico has a highest consumption per capita even though the consumers’ income is lowest than that of other markets like the US and Japan.

if spics could buy anime legally, they would do it
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>>100088517
Kudos for trying, but no.
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>>100088505
>That has to be one of the worst ideas ever.
Time for Outbreak Company: Riajuu edition.
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Spreading otaku culture is genius

It will make other countries dependent on Japan to provide them their entertainment, and they will give away their shiny golds in exchange for cute girls.

Gaijin are too savage and dumb to make their own original content!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>100088591
>start
Actually, genius, that was a reply to stupid shit you said.
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>>100088403
>I see America developing its own late night anime scene similar to what Japan has only with more normalfag titles populating it.
We already have that though, what do you think most of the American anime fanbase are, we just steal the shows from the Japs as bringing late night shows over is not profitable for most American TV corps, they don't care about niche markets.

You have to remember there was a time when there WERE several channels with late night anime blocks including some of the premium movie channels.

>>100088430
>like all of the things made by the directors listed in the OP.
Other than Miyazaki all those other directors are only known by anime fans, and Miyazaki makes kids/family movies. Japan has plenty of these, but they don't work to export them.
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>>100085108
>>100085781
>>100085913
The map clearly shows that it's for flights within Japan, not international flights to and from Japan.
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>>100088540
Goddamn the french. There are manga's translated in french and not in english. I lose my shit everytime.
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>>100087813
Yes Farscape is an Australian TV show, most of the main cast are either from Australia or New Zealand.
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>>100088641
Can confirm, I fucking love this shit.
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>>100084740
The jews and their fucking globalization.

Fuck you Moishe Himazawa
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>>100088675
What the fuck are you even on about, retard? You think you have any right to discuss your mericunt tv shows on here, shithead? Get the fuck out.
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>>100088665
But it causes a lowering of birthrates and will probably end up with Japan "embracing diversity" by having niggers flood in and rape and destroy everything.
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>>100088739
>>>/pol/
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pic related
>>100088640
Keep telling yourself that if you want to get anywhere in life.
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>>100088641
yeah but they cant so they dont and steal shit as usual
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>>100088544
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>>100088648
>Kudos for trying
>for trying
>attempting to fit in this hard
>misusing an overused meme
Who's trying what again?
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Good
It can only be a good thing if anime producers start making things that sell outside of the Japanese Otaku/Hikki market. More money for the production companies and better entertainment for 95% of people. The only ones who get shafted are the select few otaku and weebs who find this shit entertaining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLS5bGu9YlU
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>>100088762
>Jews
>not the diabolic monsters that rule the planet
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>>100088720
It was also released by ADV.
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>>100088739
We /pol/ now.

/tv/, /int/, /pol/. Holy shit, I want all of you people to get the fuck off of here. Euroshit time is definitely the worst time to be on /a/.
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>>100088755
>Japan "embracing diversity"
The mere thought is sickening.
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>>100088755
Birthrates have been lowering around the globe.. Japan just constantly talks about it.
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Pushing it into foreign markets would require insane amounts of pandering to idiots and mass marketing.

I can't see it happening.
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>>100088755
They're already trying to do that by attempting to import thousands of indonesian towelhead island niggers.
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>>100088799
>discouraging offtopic posts is fitting in
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>>100088699
>You have to remember there was a time when there WERE several channels with late night anime blocks including some of the premium movie channels.
This is what I'm referring too. I think blocks like this are going to make a come back. "Geek" culture is a lot more prominent now than it was ten years ago, so its more sustainable now.
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>>100088699

>Other than Miyazaki all those other directors are only known by anime fansf these, but they don't work to export them.

>Satoshi Kon, Shinichiro Watanabe

I know lots of people that have seen Cowboy Bebop and almost all of Satoshi Kon's movies + Paranoia Agent and none of them are Anime fans.

There's even more than those directors too, You have really famous celebrities like Kanye West who rather proudly exclaim how much they love anime movies like Akira. That's something.
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>>100088741
>You think you have any right to discuss your mericunt tv shows on here, shithead?
>to discuss
Actually, >>100088072 says >Why are there people who watch western TV on /a/?
Sure is backtracking in here.
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>>100088803
>More money for the production companies
Ha. Because westerners spend so much money on anime.
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>>100088813
Good goy
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>>100088839
>First World Problems
Not everywhere.
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>>100088839
It's because japans is negative.

Which is pretty fucking retarded.
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Anyone know how successful Funi has been with their 24/7 anime channel?
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>>100088755
Correlation isn't causation.
The factors that cause a retreat into fantasy or general eschewing of traditional societal fulfillment are what drive down birthrates.
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>>100088334

Nope, they started sucking Korean Cock since Korea munches on Beyonce's cumstained carpet blessed by Jayz.

http://www.npr.org/2013/12/15/251021326/meet-latin-america-s-teenage-korean-pop-fanatics
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>>100084740
>gambling on new productions for the mainstream.
>gambling
>anime with wide appeal
>gambling

Dis nigga srs?
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I'm sure France and Germany will pick up the slack
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>>100088803
Ayup and its going to be a glorious day when the weebs and moefags lose their shit.

i can already taste their tears....
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Yes, what Japan needs to do is pander to people who don't watch anime. That tactic also worked incredibly well for video games, right?
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where the fuck are the mods
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>>100085041
Yeah right........

The real savior of anime over seas is Shingeki no Kyojin. The mainstream will gobble that shit up like it was a 5 star meal.
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>>100088782
I'm sorry anon, but you're the definition of beta. A real man would never watch a show he doesn't like just because everyone else does.

Don't get me wrong, I do the exactly the same thing, watching The Walking Dead to have something to talk about in the workplace. But I realize I'm a huge faggot for it.
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>>100088893
And the post the post you quoted quoted is not mentioning anything about merican tv shows?

Just fuck off
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>>100088863
>offtopic
It's like you're incapable of following a reply chain. Read the fucking thread, in particular your own posts.
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>>100087371

>Complaining about the MAINSTREAM pandering to the lowest common denominator

Pants on head retarded.
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>>100089005
>That tactic also worked incredibly well for video games, right?

Well it's resulted in CoD becoming a massive cash cow.
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>>100089005
Don't trigger me.
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>>100089013
Sleeping.
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>>100089005
How about some examples?

Cause All I got are nintendo games+ MGS, which NA loves the shit out of.
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>>100088869
"Geek" culture isn't the same thing as actual geek culture. Big Bang Theory is mainstream geek culture, which just uses actual nerd hobbies as a punchline. Anime had its time in the sun, it became oversaturated, people lost interest and now it's done.
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>>100087551

Unfortunately it's going to happen elsewhere. We are just the first to fall. It has fallen to the point where it is just bare essentials now. The anime merch industries will always have hungry motherfuckers but even then they had surrendered to KPOP in some ways
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>>100089028
>backpedaling
Fuck off back to /tv/, faggot.
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>>100085313
Don't forget the loli ban, and the ban on portraying criminal acts, and the...

Yeah, they do this crap once a year for attention to show they're aware of the "issue", but never do anything to really enforce it even if something does pass.
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>>100089022
>the post you quoted quoted
Not my post, you autistic fuck. I replied specifically to your bullshit claim about multiple interests. lrn2 conversation, retard.
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Too fucking bad, normalshits. We only answer with our wallets. Nothing is ever going to change.
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JAPAN NEEDS TO STOP BEING SO JAPANESE AND START MAKING COOL SHOWS FOR THE WHOLE WORLD NOT JUST OTAKU. EVERYONE WILL SEE HOW AWESOME JAPAN IS AND THEY WILL FINALLY START LETTING IN IMMIGRANTS AT A FASTER RATE. THIS WHOLE CIS GENDERED JAPANESE MALE PATRIARCHY PANDERING SHOWS NEED TO STOP
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The political climate is really not suited to spreading anime back to America like the early 2000s.

Abe is pushing a hard nationalist sentiment, America is going into mid-term elections during a time with strong isolationist sentiments as a reaction to middle east fuckery and China dominates public thought about the Far East. The only way Japan is getting a new anime fad is via a merch show like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh that already fits into the existing market. No new IP is going to carve out a new niche, there's just no room.
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>>100089053
Don't tell me what I can't do!
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>>100088921
Third world countries are the root of the problem.
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I'm buying 40 copies of every volume of Sakura Trick. We'll see how the normalfags like that.
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>>100089101
>backpedaling
It's funny, because the first time you ever saw that word was probably when I used it earlier, this being your first week here and all. You clearly have no idea what it means.
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>>100089209
Post proof soon.
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Not just CAWADOODY, WoW also pandered hard to a completely casual mainstream audience.

You must admit, Bobby Kotick knows how to make the fuck out of some money. Bobby Kotick was also the mastermind at 4Kids and the Pokemon craze, before he got out because he knew all the dirty underhanded deals he was wheeling and dealing were going to catch up to them someday. And then a few years later the Japanese did notice just the western industry was cheating them over money from their Pokemon and Yugiohs.
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>>100089237
Still funneling funds out of the stolen credit card into my paypal thanks to a friend of mine.
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>>100089059
Two best I can think of are DmC and Final Fantasy. In both cases, the companies who own these series destroyed everything we loved about them in order to gain a bigger western audience.
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>>100088874
>I know lots of people that have seen Cowboy Bebop and almost all of Satoshi Kon's movies + Paranoia Agent and none of them are Anime fans.
That's ancedotal. The majority of Americans don't know the names Kon and Watanabe, maybe they've seen their works on adult swim or on some movie channel, I won't argue that that stuff gets TV air time, but it's not mainstream. Hell most people only know Miyazaki because of his association with Disney.
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>>100089209
Should buy that little sister one all the normals are vomiting about too.
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>>100089232
>>>/tv/
>>100089117
>thinking I'm the same person
>implying watching tv doesn't imply going on /tv/
>actually watching tv
>>>/tv/
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>>100089034
CoD becoming the cash cow it is isn't a good thing. The problem with the Video Game industry is that there are too many companies that try and make AAA games, and those games end up just being unprofitable and destroying the company. It's crazy how games like Tomb Raider or Bayoneta selling over 1 million copies still didn't make a profit for the company, while something like Fire Emblem Awakening needed to sell 250k copies in Japan just for the franchise to not die.
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>>100089060
Yeah. Just like video games never recovered after that crash in the 1980s. Things change, and the anime industry has changed several times since it began.

Guess we'll have to meet back here in a decade and decide who was right. Deal?
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>>100089267
>thieving
Only the pure of heart may lay their hands on yuri.
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Japan needs to appeal to a wider audience with their shows. They need more multiculturalism
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>>100088540
no, they try hard to appeal to other asians. westerners simply think they're the center of the world and that "foreigner" means american or european.
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>>100089294
?
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>>100089281

It still has the attention of a reasonably large audience, large enough that people are taking notice of it in the first place. Like the article says it has, or had, the potential to grow even further but instead of making anime that appeals to a large audience the industry grew inward.
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>>100089322
Nope that kind of morally repulsive action suts yurifags.
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>>100089300
Just to be clear, do I win if I manage to one-up your supreme autism?
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>>100088947
Are you trying to say that anime with wide appeal is some magical surefire success?
You know most people aren't interested in cartoons right? And they're even less interested in spending money on them.
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>>100089352
It's about money though. All the other Asians are poor.
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huh that explains the kancolle
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>>100089300
>implying watching tv doesn't imply going on /tv/
Holy shit. We eternal summer now.
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>>100089305
Also don't forget that Dragon's Crown was a massive success and it sold less than 1 million copies worldwide.
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>>100089429
>let me post a rustle pic, this way it'll be piss easy to pretend i'm just a regular /a/ poster and DO NOT belong on /tv/
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>The Japan Pop Sub-Committee, created to promote "Cool Japan", says there are too many hard-core otaku anime and not enough anime with wide appeal. It should more anime be made to appeal to a wider audience like Ghibli movies, not anime cater to otaku.

There is no logic in this.

Over the course of years, they have secured their own domestic, loyal market. It's small but it's growing.

But the Jap government wants the industry to change focus to an non-loyal foreign market, complete with different culture and language?

It's like expecting Hollywood to start making films that pander to China. It's the biggest market after all, right? What could go wrong?

Unless the people who are calling for this change are the one's funding this, it's not going to happen. The industry goes to where the money is.
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>>100089352
Generally they are talking about Westerners, other asians already eat up Japan's shit unless they have a grudge against them from the war, which is a lot of people, or a competing industry, like Korea and China, and even they love manga and anime. Japan doesn't have to try to appeal to asian countries as other asians are culturally similar enough for Japanese media not to seem too foreign. For westerners though Japanese stuff may as well come from the moon. Their formating, pacing, story-telling and characterization are basically foreign to our expectations.
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>>100088703
Go learn French or Japanese.
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>$875 for a ticket from hawaii

i'd rather stay home and pump eager japanese pussy when they come to visit my island instead.
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>>100089364
Nah, the ghost one that's airing this season. People are riled up about it because it's "hentai".
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>>100089496
You know it's true, faggot. Now get the fuck out and take your bitch tears with you.
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>>100089514
or how most Namco games sell vetween 50k-500k units and they are in a better financial position than both SE or Capcom
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>>100089451
How?
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>>100089514
Dragon Crown also costed only a million dollars in game development.
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>>100089606
namco bandai makes more than just games
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>>100089543
Damn, you sure aren't holding back. Perhaps I should just concede I'll never be as autistic as you are.
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>>100089021
Then you should know that sometimes you have to do shit you don't like to gain something. Yeah having to watch stuff i dont necessarily like or even despise, but do you honestly think you can have a girlfriend with that attitude when she wants to watch American Horror Story?
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If they want to whore themselves out to the west they should start with this.
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What's next? Are they gonna put non-virgin girls on my anime? Fucking feminism and tumblr shit?

At least I do my part supporting the shows I like by spending money on them.
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>>100089552
>Comparing Hollywood to Anime market

That's apples and oranges. video game industry would've been a better example. Because America doesn't bother thinking about japans culture or anyone elses for that matter. COD a prime example of this.
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>>100089630
Based Vanillaware
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>>100089590
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>>100089674
CR subscription doesn't count as supporting the industry.
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>>100089642
Their game division actually has been getting profits unlike Capcom and SE though.
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>>100089552
It is plain desperation, Japan needs more foreign money flowing into their country.

>>100089630
And the game was great, high budgets are killing video games.
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Hitler couldve stopped this.
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>>100089444
China's economy is more powerful and I could name more asian countries that are richer than you think compared to poor ones. But then again it's not all about cash.
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>>100089705
I bought goods directly from Japan, thank you very much.
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>>100089435
No, you're totally right.

Taking the least risky option is the best way to describe gambling.
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Japan had its chance to give anime with appeal outside of their country a chance and has fucked up each time. They have a shitty eye for "things that could be big in the west" and just sit on their asses waiting to get lucky without lifting a damn finger because most of the good primetime slots are taken up by dinosaur series that have ran on for a decade too long like Conan. They want to appeal to the west, but they don't want to do a damn thing to do so or try to scout for new blood. Generally speaking, appealing to an "outside audience" is a terrible idea, especially if your choice targets are Americans, who are the last people on the fucking planet who would buy your stuff. When your biggest animated projects in the US are Ghibli films that are stuck in Disney's stranglehold of limited releases to maintain dominance and franchises that your own country has been sick of for almost 20 years, it's time to call it quits and try to appeal to a continent where people would actually buy your shit (ie Europe) instead of pirating it in mass numbers and giving you low to mid triple-digit series box set sales.
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>>100089590
I'm not the one who's crying, newfriend. Perhaps you should lurk more instead of trying to pass off your absurd bullshit as fact.
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>>100089352
Who do you think is the largest consumerist country in the world? People want in on the american money. Problem is I don't think they realize that most of America gets its internet from within country and probably prefer it that way.
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>>100089705
Buying merchandise does, faggot. Ever notice buyfag threads on /a/?
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Well the feminist jews won. Say goodbye to the anime you love. Ready for nothing but interacial fujoshit.
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>>100089397
See I don't know if it ever did. Most westerners have never taken animation in general seriously, and anime wasn't about to change their mind, especially with what got popular over here. The large audience was an illusion, anime was a fad, it had it's time in the sun and it passed, the industry turning inward wasn't something that just happened, the sales from non-otaku's dwindled to nothing, so the industry went with the sure fire money.
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>>100089711
I'm still pissed that I bought bf4. A lot of money went into a broken game.
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Provided raw BDs become a reasonable price I'll support whatever the fuck the govt suggests
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>>100089674
Clearly, you watch anime solely for the fap factor.

No worries I do to.
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>>100089319
Video Games in the late 80's and 90's didn't have the kind of competition for entertainment that we have today. It used to be, if you wanted to watch a movie, you went to a cinema or rented a VHS tape from a video store. Cartoons aired before and after school, and saturday mornings. Television shows didn't get home releases. People did read books, though, even children, because reading wasn't for faggots yet. There was no internet for most of that period. Video games were new and novel. There had never been something like that in the home before. Computers hadn't taken off yet, either.

If video games these days were only on consoles, the industry today would be fucked. Absolutely fucked. Anime doesn't have a lot of outlets, particularly with the mainstream. There's not an audience for it, and no audience means no ratings, which means no advertising revenue. There's Netflix and Hulu etc. but most people go there to watch the shit they already know. Those services are struggling to build brand identity with new content, anime isn't going to do much outside of the usual normalfag suspects. The home video market is dead compared to the boom. It was able to sustain itself because there was NO other alternative for new anime, and little alternative for any anime in general outside of toonami, scifi channel blocks, etc., which were all limited in scope. Combine that with the fact that mainstream audiences don't want foreign culture. They want their own culture dumbed down and regurgitated back for them.
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>>100089674
>non-virgins
>posts slut labs
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>>100089674
>Spending money on them
Ahahahaha right how much do you actually watch/buy from a legit source? If they can generate more cash by pandering to a wider audience the industry will do it. The only reason they've supported your shit was because it proved a steady yet extremely niche market, hence why the industry is in recession.
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>>100089756
>WAAAAH LURK MORE WAAA WHY CAN'T I DISCUSS /TV/ SHIT ON /A/, WHAT ARE YOU AN AUTISTS
>WAAAAAAAH
/tv/ everyone.
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>>100089648
>but do you honestly think you can have a girlfriend with that attitude

No, I can't because I'm naturally beta, just like you. An alpha male wouldn't put up with that shit and would have no problem getting a girlfriend.
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Japan is going to stop putting loli's in anime, in order to appeal to western tastes.
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>>100089770
>internet
*entertainment
Fuck I should probably go to bed
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This had to happen, sooner or later.
I remember the good time when there wasn't this otaku pandering moeshit.

Or not.
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>>100089800
Why did you trust EA?
I guess you have learnt your lesson.
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>>100089648
>ut do you honestly think you can have a girlfriend with that attitude
Anon, you're on /a/. Think before you post.
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>>100089740
Too fucking bad. Keep crying bitch tears about your cowboy bebop dubs. Anime and other aspects of Japanese culture are still popular in Asia.

Fucking white people.
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>>100089815
Have you seen these bitches try to get the D? They're hopeless. Probably going to remain pure for life because of how retarded when it comes to the opposite sex.
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>>100089865
Because I liked bf3.
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>>100089783
Yeah, because all those other bills did something, right? Something like this comes up once a year and usually either dies or is failed to be enforced.
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>>100089822
Jesus Christ, this autism.
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>>100089888
Im black. Nice try
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>>100089717
hitler gave the japs the title of honorary aryans
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>>100089717
HITLER HAD THE RIGHT IDEA HE WAS JUST AN UNDERACHIEVER, KILL EM ALL ADOLF
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>>100089811
>If video games these days were only on consoles, the industry today would be fucked. Absolutely fucked

Only, that isn't true at all. Console based revenue is going up year after year. Sure the new consoles haven't sold exceedingly well, but over time the old gen will get faded out and money will continue to flow into companies.
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>>100089717
Hitler couldn't even stop the urge to kill himself.
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>>100089740
The most popular anime outside of japan is actually cute stuff like hello kitty and doraemon.
cowboy begay is only popular with the edgy western crowd.
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>>100089926
>anything I'm not concordant with is autism
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>>100089911
THEY'RE STILL FUCKING SLUTS WHO WANT GIANT NIGGER COCKS IN THEIR CUTNS
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>>100089815
Yes, I like anime girls who are virgins like me. I refuse to watch any anime that features non-virgin girls as lead.

>>100089819
I spend about 7000 yen a month on stuff from Japan.
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>>100089738
Right, the least risky option is going for the broad, diverse, unestablished, fickle and occasionally hostile market.
Makes perfect sense. There's absolutely no risk there when compared to a reasonably uniform, highly predictable small local market right?
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>>100089945
A true anmerican hero
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>>100089930
jimi is that yoi ?
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>>100089945
He was just misunderstood.
Too pure for this world.
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fuck you moot
fuck you for making other boards
fuck you for letting chanology slide
fuck you for your shitty banners
fuck you for not moderating your site
fuck you
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>>100089717
Hirohito / Emperor Shōwa couldve stopped this
>shoah is in his fucking name

Ids do lade
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>>100089961
>>100089888
>Bebop
I was talking about Dragon Ball, which only got a "new" series because of Burgerclaps, but I guess this works too.
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Where did I ever say i was a beta? Hell one of the other reasons I pay attention to the western crap is because the normalfags at my office are some of the best wingmen I've ever known. It actually benefits to be in their good graces when its after hours and your barhopping.
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>>100089971
Have you considered just stopping before you embarrass yourself further?
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The only thing I'm looking forward to is Mirai Fukuin
I'm not even watching anything this season, it's all shit
But American television is the same. So I guess they're just whining about money instead of "cultural decline".
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>>100090047
>tfw you will never see the Jewish disease wiped from this earth
>tfw you will never conquer space with your Germanic brothers
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>>100089740
>>Japan had its chance to give anime with appeal outside of their country a chance and has fucked up each time.

TMS' works with Disney & Warner Bros in the 80s & 90s say other wises, TMS is God Tier in that field.
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>>100090063
>Where did I ever say i was a beta?
>need to understand the shit the casuals are talking about at the watercooler

So beta it hurts.
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>>100090068
see>>100089543
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>>100090117
Otaku will be the ones to rid the earth of their filth. Dont fuck with peoples waifu
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>>100089819
>hence why the industry is in recession.
Except it's not, anime is one of the sectors of the Jap economy thats actually still growing, which is part of why Jap politicians are even giving it the time of day.
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>>100089819
Are you this clueless? I spend roughly $100 buying merchandise from Japanese shops. This proves you know nothing.
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>>100088615
>SnK couldn't even top the average BD sales and you're somehow thinking it's going to be that high? Either you're really new or highly delusional.
Not him but lets not be a fucking stupid biased fag. You have count in the fact the manga sold 15 million volumes this year, the OP single is the highest selling single in the last decade for the industry, snk cosplaying merchandise was the hottest selling cosplay of 2013, the OST was the highest selling televised OST of 2013, there's already been a video game for snk come out that has sold 200k on the 3ds and finally the fact the anime has a 50k+ average.

Really need to cool your hate for SnK. Both of your replies were to people trying to say something positive about the series and you instantly have to let your butthurt out. That looks immature anon.
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>>100087621
>outdated practice that most people don't want or care about

All of the most popular cartoons, even in America, are still 2D animation, with most of what's animated in 3D being cash-in crap.
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>>100090005
Yes. Totally going out on a limb creating a product that would appeal to as many people as possible.
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>>100090047
That was so bad and I still laughed.
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They have a point. I know /a/'s extremely insular, but more international hits would be a good thing. It seems like anime's taken a step backwards in the west - it's harder to find on TV, there are fewer series with crossover appeal. Even shows like Madoka or Shingeki no Kyojin don't seem to get much notice among the western public. I don't need to care because of fansubs, but where is new blood going to come from?

Then again it's not like you can legislate the next Pokemon into existence.
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>>100089886
Not eveyone on /a/ is a beta you know, some of us have actualy evolved into lower alphas
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>/a/ - Shitposting
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>>100085045
good
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>>100090170
it's growing in the short term, but worldwide appeal is a goal that would pay off in the long term, which is smarter.
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>>100090194
I didnt know before I looked him up that its Emperor Shōwa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirohito
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>>100090143
Yes, just like that. Better to link your old autism than spout new shit.
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>>100090191
It is when most of those people wont care about it anyway. Not to mention it will probably alienate the only people who actually will give you money for that shit.
But no, you're exactly right. Totally no risk involved at all.
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>>100090172
I don't hate the series, I keep up with the manga.

I'm just trying to be realistic not let people blinded by fanboyism make ridiculous claims about its popularity.
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>>100089943
Video Game sections in general merchandise stores are a fraction of what they were in the 90's and even up through mid 00's. There are plenty of titles available on the console download stores, there's plenty of indie development, both on PC and consoles. Actual brick & mortar is dying. That's why when you walk into a Best Buy, there's one of their small aisle shelves for each console, and most of what they have is the kind of games that the CoD crowd buys. Yeah, GTA may have sold one billion dollars, but that's an outlier. How many other AAA titles have shit the bed last year alone. That's the kind of thing you see in the mainstream marketplace.
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>>100089717
The Soviet Union and the Empire of Japan were the bad guys in WWII.
It's a shame they weren't on the same side so they could have both lost.
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It just occurred to me, otaku are one of the main reasons why Japans economy has not collapsed yet. Otaku mass consumerism is what's keeping Japan going.
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If there was more demand for "cool" anime, it would already be made.
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>>100090226
>mentioning girlfriends and alpha/beta crap on /a/
That shit's just a good way to rile up a bunch of shitposting. I don't care if you go out clubbing and fucking girls left and right everynight, but it's best not to mention it on /a/.
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>>100086331
Not that guy but that has nothing to do with anime being a secret club. What he refers to is the massive change that anime would experience if its base fanbase, the otaku, were to die off. The videogame industry is fucking shit right now with rehash after rehash and appealing to a wider audience just means casualization. Fucking Minecraft has Xbone, PS3, 360, and soon Vita ports.

>>100087778
Yeah because we all know the entry barriers for indie anime is the same for an indie video game.

>>100086442
Fucking this. Consumers care about quality. Companies care about quantity.
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>>100090136
>So beta it hurts

Its called "Being social", maybe something you'd understand if you ever pulled your head out of the autism clouds
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>>100088363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDbi7P93Np8
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>>100090288
Oh yeah, they're defiantly targeting people who wont care.

Moonfolk marketing is that stupid.
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These horrible meta threads really bring the shitty posters out of the woodwork don't they? I read a post from a guy stating that he felt the need to watch Western television just so that he can properly converse with normies, and called someone a no-life beta who will never get a girlfriend when he was called out on his retardation. It astounds me that these people inhabit this board, and it truly is phenomenal that there are people into any aspect of Japanese culture who have not yet resigned themselves to being human shit.
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>>100090351
I could understand the Soviets but why Japan?
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>>100090404
>Its called "Being beta", maybe something you'd understand if you ever were beta.
fixed
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>>100090404
>Being social
Why bother? Do everyone a favour and return to /soc/, thank you.
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>>100090323
>I'm just trying to be realistic
Then you need to understand that SnK has had a massively successful year. That "most profitable manga/anime related franchises in 2012" doesn't just take in blu-ray sales
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>>100090404
As I have said, I do the same thing. It's beta.
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>>100088703
French is not a hard language to learn if you speak English.
Of course you could kill two birds with one stone and learn Japanese, but that is a hell of a lot of work for a minimal payoff.
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>>100090253
But there's not worldwide market for it. Just because you make something does not mean a market for it exists. No one outside of the existent anime fanbase gives a shit about any anime that isn't made for kids. They can make all the anime with world wide appeal they want, a market for it won't spring up just because they will it too.
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>>100090412
I watch that guy already. I hope he reviews season 3 soon.
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>>100090421
>Implying
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>>100090391
>Fucking this. Consumers care about quality. Companies care about quantity.
Actually the problem here is that the majority of consumers stopped caring about quality.
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>>100090416
>Oh yeah, they're defiantly targeting people who wont care.
Yeah because they make so many normalfag targeted shows... Oh wait, they don't. Because normalfags don't give a shit about anime.
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>>100090497
You couldn't make it any more clear that you a filthy crossie from /v/.
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>>100090481
Learning Japanese is very rewarding, you can be a smug asshole about it and play legend of heroes games.
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>>100090351
>The Soviet Union and the Empire of Japan were the bad guys in WWII.
>The Soviet Union
Not you again. You have Stalin to thank for saving Russia and ultimately the whole of fucking Europe.
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>>100090421
>There are strange people on the internet doing strange things and I do not like it.
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>>100090488
he says he will but he is working on some other stuff right now
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>>100090421
This isn't a meta thread. It's pretty pointless, in that the Japanese government is all bark on this, just as they were in the past, so the discussion is somewhat moot. It's still a discussion about the industry, though.
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>>100090482
The proof that it can exist, exists with Miyazaki's continued success overseas. Anime for people who don't watch anime, casuals, whatever you want to call them. There is a worldwide market, it's just not being tapped nearly as hard as it could be.
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>>100090404

I'm being social right now. I love socializing with other anime fans and discussing things I enjoy.

I'm not throwing my hobbies and pride away in the faint hopes of assimilating. You're the beta one; you would rather pretend to like crap to win the approval of people with shit taste than be true to yourself and your passions.
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>>100090587
Delusional slavboo detected.

pls leave tovarish)))))
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>>100090421
>it truly is phenomenal that there are people into any aspect of Japanese culture who have not yet resigned themselves to being human shit.
Careful with that edge.
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>>100090570
>Implying

>Blaming /v/
You couldn't make it any more clear that your a filthy asshole.
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>>100090610
I'm just glad he got that youtube shit worked out quickly.
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>>100090640
Shut the fuck up, you Ukrainian fuck.
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All the /electricjew/ cross boarders need to leave
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>>100090217
>Even shows like Madoka don't get much notice among the western public.

That's because depending on what you know about anime, Madoka either looks like Sailor Moon or a moe borderline hentai property.

Compare the artstyle to Evangelion, a show with similar characters and themes, and ask yourself which a non-anime viewer would find interesting and which a non-anime viewer would find weird.
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>>100090640
Didn't this guy kill himself recently?
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>>100090587
I thank Poland every day for beating the Soviet Union so Germany had enough time to rearm.
Stalin had continental aspirations when Hitler was still an artist.
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>>100090678
No one else but a /v/ crossboarder would post ">implying" and nothing else.
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>>100090678
>your
*you're
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>>100090421
>>100090570
Sure is projecting in here.
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>>100090587
>Soviet Union
>good
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>>100090700
CYKA))))
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>>100090620
Miyazaki makes anime for kids. I included that in my post. Fuck I've said mulitple times in this thread that Japan is missing out exporting their kids show to the rest of the world. That's not really what we're talking about, were talking about shows with normal mainstream appeal, something that people who watch regular American/British TV would watch. Such a thing will not happen as those people don't give two fuck about cartoons in general nevermind anime.
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>>100090620
A market already exists for feature film animation, largely borne out of Disney movies. Those, too, are dead. Disney shitcanned their traditional animation department last April. They're exclusively 3D CG now. Miyazaki also has an established market with a number of films rele3ased over the years. It's not the kind of thing that can provide for ongoing success.
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>>100090310
Welcome to /a/. Enjoy you're stay.
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>>100090759
Projecting what?
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>>100090457
>>Its called "Being social", maybe something you'd understand if you ever were not autistic.

gee your pretty bad with your grammar anon, you sure you dont need to go back to elementary school.

>>100090462
Because shit that changes your life isn't just going to happen like in your anime/manga

But I've never been to soc before so i don't know what it looks like :{P

>>100090467
Getting along with your co-workers isnt beta, its tactical, especially when you've gotten them to watch some anime in return.
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>>100090757
Not really, I mean, I just posted "implying" without anything else. And I'm pretty sure I don't lurk /v/. But you probably know more about /v/ than I do, so I'll just go along with it.
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>>100090818
>resigned themselves to being human shit
>filthy crossie from /v/
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>>100090643
>Careful with that edge.
I am being sincere. It honestly surprises me that there are people who consume Japanese media and still have a high opinion of themselves.
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>>100090587
Did Sralin single-handedly defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? He's nothing, but a joke taking all the credit. If it weren't for the outside help, he'd be ousted and Moscow would be taken by the Nazi. I don't even see what's so bad about Nazi Germany. Architecture? Science? Trying to eliminating cancer of the society that is the jews?
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>>100090757
You know, making up arbitrary rules and then trying to get others to believe you is just a way of telling us you're new as fuck, especially considering one-word replies of "implying" are nowhere near rare on /a/.
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>>100090587
>Without American production the United Nations could never have won the war.
>— Joseph Stalin during the dinner at the Tehran Conference
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>001 Anpanman-------7.82%-------119,959,000,000
>003 Pokemon-------6.00%-------92,040,000,000
>005 One Piece-------4.23%-------64,888,200,000
>006 PreCure series-------4.14%-------63,507,600,000
>011 Gundum series-------2.19%-------33,594,600,000

And this is why no one in the industry gives a fuck about the foreign market.

Anime industry is drowning in money.

Star Wars, the largest western franchise, made 1.5 billion $ internationally in 2012. Anpanman + Pokemon put together already have it beat.

Seriously, why the hell would they give a fuck about the foreign market when they get so much money from Japan alone?

You think Hollywood is a big moneymaker? Average Hollywood blockbuster costs 150-200 million $ + 50-100 million marketing. Considering half of box office money goes to theaters and distributors even great hits like Man of Steel or Frozen make just around 100-200 million $ in the end.

While Madoka made over 400 million before Rebellion even hit.
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>>100090806
Miyazaki makes anime for all ages, that's the key to his success.
What anime is Japan marketing towards kids these days? I don't know because I don't watch kids anime. I know Capcom failed with Gaist Crusher and I don't know if Level 5's Little Battlers series turned out to be shit too. I assumed it did.
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>>100084740
Not as dead as Japanese cinema.

Also I don't really understand the critique. More anime is being produced now than 10 years ago, with the same variation. You still get your 6pm anime for children, and the longlive narutard, wanpiece... Certainly they weren't up to expectations and the Oscar to Spirited Away looks like a once in a lifetime event.

All that Cool shit is OK. But do you know what would be really cool? To clean up the nuclear mess at Fukujima.
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My question is this:
If anime does not get appeal in outside markets, is there any real risk of the industry imploding and becoming a shell of its former self?

Because if not I am even more ambivalent about appealing to the lowest common denominator. At least otakus do not tend to eat absolute, boring shit up with pleasure.
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>>100087932
Don't fucking ever EVER joke about that shit.
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>>100090967
>half of box office money goes to theaters
Theatres don't make shit from ticket sales, which is why concession food is so damn pricey.
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>>100090310
I used to be a wee lad like you watching anime years ago while you were still a defective sperm in your fathers balls
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>>100090632
/a/ is about as social as the writing on a bathroom stall. You cant stand adamant as an oak tree just because someone likes things you dont like, and vise versa, you gotta bend like a willow and give somethings a chance even if its just killing time because thats what real friends do, hell I wouldn't have discovered Archer if it wasn't for my coworkers.
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>>100090942
I call people out for using the quote feature inappropriately at all, let alone partnered up with "implying". Replying like that is the apex of shitposting, only just above the "bait" meme.
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>>100090930
>Did Sralin single-handedly defeat Nazi Germany
He industrialized Russia in an impossibly short time. If he hadn't, Russian would have been overrun and the Allies would have been fucked.
>and Imperial Japan
No, but the act of sending his armies towards Japan made America drop the bomb on the Japs. So he deserves a lot of the credit for nuking those bastards.
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>>100091052

Wrong. Hollywood gets around 60% of box office money in USA. Less from other countries due to distribution costs.

There are tons of articles about this.
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>>100091068
#rekt
#iceburn
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>>100090997
>To clean up the nuclear mess at Fukujima.
Yeah that fiasco is looking worse than the mercury poisonings of the 60s. I'm not even Japanese but goddamn the LDP and their corporate interests.
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>>100091088
>I call people out for using the quote feature inappropriately at all
Great. Welcome, /jp/, I hope you enjoy your stay.
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>>100091002

No. Industry is constantly growing.

We never had as much anime as today.
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>>100090872
I wasn't projecting anything though. I acknowledged the fact that I am human shit, and it would be nonsensical of me to insult /v/ if I posted there myself.
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>>100090849
>Getting along with your co-workers isnt beta, its tactical, especially when you've gotten them to watch some anime in return.

You aren't getting along with them, you're watching a show you don't like to have something to talk about that you already know it's acceptable in that setting. It's called being beta.

If you're so desperate to be alpha stop being a faggot and bring up conversation subjects that you do care about, and if they ask you about a show you don't like just tell them you don't watch it because it's shit.
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>>100088098
Hey look it's Dick's I don't see this that often.
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>>100091094
>overrun
So what's so bad about it? Countries under Nazi rule were freed from the Soviet occupation, Nazi allowed let people have their land and culture taken by the commies back.
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>>100090567
>handwaving away the difference between mass marketing and niche marketing
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>>100090894
That's your problem. My cousins all like anime and have figures in our home. My previous grad school and current lab are full of anime fans. I saw a Math professor with a Ranma poster in his room.

I give zero fucks about your inferiority complex. Liking anime is nothing different than liking music. Doesn't make you as special as you think.
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>>100091153
That is what I thought. I can just imagine that in the 80s, you would find entire seasons without good shows.
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I hope you stalin fags get on your knees everyday and say your thanks to American capitalism for its lendlease.
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>>100091160
>being this autisitc

I'm sorry man but apparently theres no hope for you at this point, and I need to get some sleep so good luck with your life.
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>>100091206
This is pretty much the reason Baltic countries hate Russia's guts so much and absolutely love Nazi.
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>>100091206
>Countries under Nazi rule were freed from the Soviet occupation
And? There's a reason the Soviets stopped hailing the Nazis as liberators after a short while under their occupation.
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>>100091216
Maybe you should stop and think about why they went for mass marketing as opposed to niche marketing, retard.
And consider the difference between marketing and a market.
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>>100086423
Nah they do all the K-pop promo in places like Shibuya, which is basically the anti-thesis of Akihabara culture
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>>100091267
>Liking anime is nothing different than liking music.
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that while you enjoy a medium largely built upon the sexual perversions of a nation of paedophiles.
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>>100091346
>muh 6 trillion
You mean the fakes made by the commie jews? Oh yea, I've seen plenty of it.
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>>100091335
>Being this beta

I know that feel anon.
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>>100091094

Soviets were the cannon fodder of WW2. That's all.

Without Lend Lease and western allies crushing Luftwaffe and German economy from the air Stalin wouldn't last one year longer.
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>>100090973
All ages means kids movie, the actual content is unimportant, most adults that go see Miyazaki movies, in America mind you, are going with their kids to them it's just another Disney movie.

>What anime is Japan marketing towards kids these days?
Precure, Pokemon, there was a new Digimon series not to long ago, Gundam, One Piece, essentially mahou shoujo, robots, toy advert and shounen battle shows, same stuff they've been marketing to kids for ever. Precure is probably the biggest thing that Japan is just sitting on that could make them megabucks in other countries, as they haven't had something to sell to girls over here in a long time, and as some anon brought up earlier they could probably get the ponyfags in with it too. Currently I think Saban is sitting on the rights for it, don't know for sure though.

And you should watch kids shows once in a while you'd be surprised at how good some of them can be, plus I feel watching something simple and innocent is good for you.
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>>100091269

In the 80's average season had 5-6 shows. Half of that for little kids.
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>>100091379
I honestly can't tell if you're referring to anime or music.
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>>100091387
>trillion
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>>100091355
>still ignoring the differences between mass and niche marketing.
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>>100091379
>Yeah, you keep telling yourself that while you enjoy a medium largely built upon the sexual perversions of a nation of paedophiles.
Not OP, but yes I will. Have a good day also.
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>>100091396

Precure is actually very popular in most of EU. Especially Italy and France.

It just failed in english speaking countries because of a horrible dub.

They are trying to push it again now. As Glitter Force.
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>>100091450
Yeah, I assume most otaku clung onto manga during that time.
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>>100091483
>this new
C'mon now.
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>>100088471
This looks like its a lot more than $100, son.
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>>100091585
I was just saying because its more like 6 gorillion after inflation
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>>100091566
What was the last PreCure that was dubbed actually? I've only seen Futari Wa with dual audio and that was a while ago.
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>>100091094
>He industrialized Russia in an impossibly short time.
You know who did that without killing millions of his own people?
Otto Von Bismark.
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Please no Japan. Anime is doing just fine
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>>100091506
You still have yet to provide any reason at all as to why producing an unpopular product for an unestablished and disinterested market is anything but a risk.
Posting reaction images and your ebic meme arrows doesn't provide anything. Not to mention the differences between the methods of marketing are irrelevant to the initial point.
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>>100091575
Well manga's always been big in Japan, and really in the 80's what we know as an Otaku was really in it's infancy.
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All of the things that could be popular are pleb-core.

And they still wouldn't sell well.
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>>100087872
You must have crippling ADHD
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>>100091761
Otaku no Video gave me the vibe that otaku was originally a much more general social group of anyone who has a great interest in something eccentric.
Of course, Otaku no Video pandered to its viewers.
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>>100091706

In english? Only Futari Wa.

Germans, Italians and frogs got many more series.
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>>100091379
Yeah and games mean we are murderers, rap means we are thugs, twilight means we are pedo rapists, slash fic means we are all gay.

It might occur to you one day that I'm part of a new generation that doesn't believe in thoughtcrime, is more open-minded and accepting than your lets-think-of-the-children politicians and your own PC-infested self. Maybe you should first quit facebooking with SJWs or whatever source of peer pressure that dictates your own private fantasies in your free time.
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>>100089711
Falcom games are made by a shoestring budget, and are fucking awesome.

Ys selling sub100k is considered a sucess.
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>>100091837
Well, he is posting on /a/
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>>100091736

Few more international hits like DBZ or Sailor Moon won't hurt.

It's not like there will be less otaku anime because of that.
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>>100091627
No straight flights from LAX?
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>>100091706
Saban sounded like it was going to do a Smile dub going under the name "Gangnam Girls" but it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere.
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>>100091897
If you're watching any of the non-pleb shows then your friends and family would probably think your some kind of pedophile or rapist pervert.

And that's not even getting started on the doujins...
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>>100091943

It's bad because those shows have cancerous fanbases, in numbers we can't possibly repel.
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>>100091864
>otaku was originally a much more general social group of anyone who has a great interest in something eccentric.

That's exactly what an otaku is in the Japanese parlance, we just use it here as a shorthand for obsessive anime fans, but in japan, the word otaku can be used for any nerd. Also anime otaku back then were a bit of a different breed, mostly kids that came out of the 60's and 70's watching the kids cartoons on saturday morning and never grew out of it, there wasn't as much of an entrenched culture as there is now.
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>All this anti-semitism on /a/

You people are fucking disgusting. You don't joke about the holocaust and the lives it took.
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>>100091897
What straight person reads a slash fic?

Who reads fanfiction in general?

That shit is cancerous.
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>>100092011
And why the fuck should they know what I do in my private time? Do I know what Korean dramas my mom watches? Should I?

That kind of thing only matters to other fans. And I've never found any shortage of people who like stuff like Yosuga no Sora. Shut your drama.
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>>100092138
Why are you so frantically trying to stir shit up? You are the very reason we can't have nice things any more.
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>>100092139
It was the only way I could get over ME3.
Please don't judge me.
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>>100092005
Shame, I think Heartcatch, Suite, Smile, and Doki Doki are all really good candidates for something to localize. The other Precure shows are just a bit too old now.
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>>100092138
You shouldn't joke about that. That singer died. Paul Newman, too. It's really insensitive to the families.
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>>100092182
Its probably that stalinfag
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>>100092296

I take requests.
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>>100092170
Anon these are not normal things to like, maybe if you live some fagutopia like europe it's more tolerated, but in America they will burn you at the stake or at least judge you heavily behind your back.

Liking anime is okay, just don't fucking tell people and act like a fucking weeaboo.
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>>100086442
Like that matters. Investors are the ones who they care about, and EA is looking at a class action lawsuit now because of their bullshit. It's like my dreams are finally coming true.
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>>100091897
Please follow the reply trail before you reply to a post in such a scathing manner. Whatever you were ranting about had nothing to do with the point I was making.
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>>100087478
>Breaking Butt
No.
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>>100085277
Considering it's actually aiming for the west that means shit, man.
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When the fuck will Japan understand that love for anime is, still, alive and well?

If anything I'd say anime hasn't ever been more mainstream. Hell, even the most hardcore normalfags I know watched Attack on Titan and were posting shit on their twitter and facebook accounts (please don't judge me, it's for uni I swear ;_;) during its airtime.



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