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Why do the Japanese scriptwriters/mangakas think that adding (time travel)/(parallel universes)/(fantastic creatures and technology - magic included)/(global conflict that threatens a certain group of people and/or humanity as whole)/(over-the-top suffering of the cast)/(biblical and other religious references) makes their work any more interesting and/or adds thought layers to their work?
Because it doesn't. When you need to show an idea and its implications, a moral conflict or a clash of values, resorting to these narrative devices is an instant giveaway of writer's lack of skill and talent in 90% of the cases (and sadly, neither anime, nor manga belong to the remaining 10%).
Just stop, for fuck's sake. While manga (and anime, by proxy) is indeed better for portraying things that are nonexistent in real life, thanks to its visual flexibility, it's not a reason to just neglect the plot and add this shit just to make it seem DEEP.
For fuck's sake, just take, for example, I dunno, Lem. No, I'm not talking about Solaris and other sorta serious shit, I'm talking about Ijon Tichy, Pilot Pirx, Cyberiad. He uses sci-fi premises in humoristic and not-taking-itself-seriously way, while showcasing various social constructs and whatnot.
So, why does Japan has such a hard-on on "serious" fantasy and (softcore, of course) sci-fi?
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Just found /a/ huh, /lit/? Instead of comparing it to books, compare them to cartoons.
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>>100055513
Okay, can you name me the Maus of the manga?
And it's a comic, if you don't know.
Not saying that Maus is good, but it's an example from the top of my head, and it's decent for what it is.
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>>100055138
>and sadly, neither anime, nor manga belong to the remaining 10%).
Little Busters! wouldn't have worked without time travel, so your entire post is wrong.
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>>100055666
>What's the X of anime/manga?
Kill yourself.
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>>100055666
Only if you tell us what the banana of computers is.
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>>100055138
Why do you even bother watching anime? Just read your books and feel intelligent.
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books are not inherently better than anime, and in fact a lot of books are really shitty. Trying to draw parallels between two separate forms of media from two different cultures is really retarded, and I wouldn't expect such behavior from someone who claims to be intelligent by reading books.
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New to /a/ AND /lit/
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>>100055513
Being a cartoon doesn't excuse the poor plot, mate. Yeah, I know, budgets, executive decisions, merchandise/LN advertisings and all that, but there is no excuse for adding on the above-written elements just for the sake of DEEPness, like some kind of modules, when the idea can be shown with altering the plot itself.
>>100055675
Didn't read the VN, so can't say anything about it, but, in the end, it all comes down to human, not technology/science/magic/whatever - in the end, any story is a story of human interactions (the proper term would be here "intelligent creatures' interactions" but whatever).
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>>100056012
>claims to be intelligent by reading books.
>Just read your books and feel intelligent
Have I ever claimed that? No. The only reason why I chose Lem as an example was because it was the first thing to come to my mind.
My question is simple:
>So, why does Japan has such a hard-on on "serious" fantasy and (softcore, of course) sci-fi?
That's it.
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>>100056262
>why does Japan has such a hard-on on "serious" fantasy and (softcore, of course) sci-fi?
I don't know, why don't you research it yourself?
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>>100056262
>Didn't read the VN, so can't say anything about it,
Then don't say this
>and sadly, neither anime, nor manga belong to the remaining 10%).
Because this is what you've just admitted to
>I haven't read this VN but I can tell you that the adaptation that has the same plot devices definitely did not need it.
You are officially a huge faggot and everything you say should be completely disregarded by /a/ and /lit/.
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>>100056329
Because, right now, you're (as in, /a/ is) my research and discussion source.
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Japs are bad writers.
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>>100056436
>/a/ is my research source
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>>100055138
OP if your that upset about it go read a book.
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>>100056712
Why did deep if the answer can be found on the surface? Also, I'm doing it for fun.
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>>100056432
Where the fuck did you even get the idea that I'm upset or in any way promoting literature? I'm merely interested in the question.
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>>100056262
>>So, why does Japan has such a hard-on on "serious" fantasy and (softcore, of course) sci-fi?
Rule of Cool
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>>100056912
>Why did deep if the answer can be found on the surface?
Because we really, really want you to fuck off from /a/ forever. We are not your anime wiki - we are here to talk to each other about little chinese cartoon girls.
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>>100055666
I read Maus when I was 16, so I didn't pick up what Maus was all about. I remember the plot, but any themes flew straight past me. Would the manga need to be "deep" in order to be the "Maus of manga"?
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The simple answer is because its cool and most of the ones with a focus on stuff like super powers and swords and stuff is aimed at middle schoolers and young high schoolers.
In other words, you're looking at shounen which is aimed at pre teens and young teen boys. They don't look for cool plot of deeper story in their series, they're looking for action and cool weapons and attacks and such.

There are plenty of manga with more involved story aimed at older audiences, and many that don't have fantasy or sci-fi elements and are instead set in the real world and usually deal with things like relationships and common things in life.

And really, Most manga is just there to entertain, not tell some deep story or pass on some greater message.

But tldr: Read more manga, especially non-shounen.
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>>100055138
It's not like there is an overabundance of pseudo-deepness in other media as well... Japanese writers are not the only 'offenders' here
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>>100055666
>holocaust shit
>666
Jews confirmed for worse than satan
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>>100057840
True, but they're a notable example.
I blame it on the executive meddling myself. Whatever makes money - goes, whatever doesn't - either gets filmed on a cheap camera, or written and self-published, just to be forgotten.
Also, check'em.
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>>100055138
>why do script writers think that adding *posts half of all the story elements that exist* adds thought layers to their work?
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>>100060879
That's not his point at all, if you actually think you're right, I suggest you don't watch anime so much.
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>>100055138
Good question OP. The anime and manga industries are pretty much the same thing as the video game industry. Appeal to the demographic that is buying your product, and scrap everything else. This is why 90% of manga is shit. Not to say that all anime and manga do not require some level of critical thought, its just that its easier to put in a shitty theme and conflict into one of these stories and have it be a safe sell.
Japan loves this shitty sci-fi and fantasy because it allows them to create a watered down story that will appeal to their target demographic and smelly neckbeards on /a/. Unfortunately, no one gets paid to actually put thought into their manga or anime except those who truly believe that their work is a masterpiece, or those who don;t get paid at all.
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>>100055666
The only redeeming feature of Maus is that it accurately portrays jews as rats.
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>>100055138
This pasta is stale sir, but for those reading innovative ideas that are unfamiliar are inherently interesting to a degree.



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