Any news about the Girls fighting italian tankettes part of GuP?
1min battle confirmed
That woukld still be more tan in the series...
nothing aside a few character designs
why are nips so obsessed with italy?
It's surprising how small those things were, i saw a Panzer 1 in a museum it's smaller than a usual car.
why obsessed? It's only one of the teams.
i keep seeing italy mentioned in anime for some reason
>It's surprising how small those things were, i saw a Panzer 1 in a museum it's smaller than a usual car.
I saw a documentary on the Blackbird spyplane. I was amazed that it was a TINY aircraft, because Hollywood tend to portray it as a huge jet. I mean most assume it would be the size it was portrayed in the X-men films.
> I was amazed that it was a TINY aircraft
I've seen a few of those things and they're certainly not tiny. They're not jet liners, but they're easily twice the wingspan and length of a normal jet fighter.
think about it
Length: 107 ft 5 in (32.74 m)
Wingspan: 55 ft 7 in (16.94 m)
>F16 (for comparison)
Length: 49 ft 5 in (15.06 m)
Wingspan: 32 ft 8 in (9.96 m)
Your documentary was shit.
How do they even want to make the episode remotely interesting? Italian tanks of WWII were even more worthless than Ooarai's lineup in GuP compared to the other schools.
Will it be 5 mins of battle and 15 mins of fanservice?
Considering the size of the crew it's still fucking huge.
Plus aircraft are big anyway. The Eurofighter's about twice the length of a Challenger 2.
>Length: 107 ft 5 in (32.74 m)
>Wingspan: 55 ft 7 in (16.94 m)
My point is that in popular media it is usually much bigger. As I say, in X-men it was big enough to stand up inside. And in Hellsing Ultimate it was a gigantic thing when proportioned with the aircraft carrier it crashed into.
Italy is where all the fabolous womanizer people come from.
Kinda like germany being full of ojou-sama types.
And merica being 100% blonde titmonsters with outgoing personalities and big appetite for meat.
>How do they even want to make the episode remotely interesting? Italian tanks of WWII were even more worthless than Ooarai's lineup in GuP compared to the other schools.
It would be the only time Ooarai is on the offensive. Like, ever. And as such they would be rusty and don't know what to do. I mean for everyone else, they just respond to the opponent's tactics. But here they would need to make their own plans.
Actually the P40 tank was superior to the Shermans (not the fireflies) in every category.
Italy also produced the best fighter of the war (the Veltro) and had a very respectable navy.
Italy got fucked by shit leadership and mostly shit generals combined with a crappy starting industrial base that wasn't developed when they had the chance.
"next time, without italy"?
>Actually the P40 tank was superior to the Shermans (not the fireflies) in every category.
It was about on par with early model Shermans.
>And in Hellsing Ultimate it was a gigantic thing when proportioned with the aircraft carrier it crashed into.
It should be, RN VTOL carriers are pretty small. A blackbird has roughly 1/6 its length and 1/2 its breath.
Drive closer I wish to hit them with my stick.
I wnat to see girls in Hungolian TURAN tanks
>the P40 tank was superior to the Shermans
Not really, it was maybe comparable to Panzer III's and on-par-ish with Shermans, but not above them.
Pretty sure it couldn't hold against the StuG III or the PzIVF2, hell not even the 75mm of the M3 Lee.
Yeah they dragged us Germans down. They were like "Let's start this shit" "Oh shit Germany help us!" And then we lost.
M8, the only worthy thing from Hungary in that era was the Zrínyi assault gun.
You've got a strange understanding of armour behaviour if you think the Lee would survive against a late war P40.
Wasn't that a popular saying among some German and Japanese generals?
I remember a story about a German general saying to a French one "Next time, Italians fight on YOUR side".
And I'm1/4 Italian
Huh, what did I miss? A movie? New OVA?
The Stug is pretty much built to take out tanks like the P40.
A Semovente Assault Gun would be a better comparison to it.
Italy had decent or great vehicles in most categories, they just sucked at using them and had nowhere near enough.
And a 'late war' P40 would stand up to a Lee's gun?
The Italian navy in WW2 was shit tier, no carriers, a handful of modern carriers and a large fleet of rusting junk that should have been retried years ago, it failed to take a barely defended Malta when they entered the war and lost its battleships at Taranto.
there is both an OVA (the match vs Anzio) and movie (sequel) due this year
Riveted tanks are painful to look at.
Why, did late war P40's go above 50mm's of hull armor? Afaik a Lee could handle 60mm's.
Curse the man who pointed out too me how similar the WW2 Hungarian tank markings are to the Cornish flag...
>How do they even want to make the episode remotely interesting?
You surely realize that's like saying "how can Oarai vs Kuromorimine be remotely interesting?", do you?
I blame shit leadership.
Modernization could have turned them into worthy ships and there were great acts of courage sprinkled throughout the war..
Plus the San Giorgio saved Germany's ass in a glorious sacrifice.
For Fuck's sake I'm getting all unreadable blurry ones
They couldn't even take over a bridge held by seven French soldiers, what makes you think their tanks could do shit? Need I remind you of their performance in the North African Campaigns?
Both Ooarai and Kuromori have competent commanders. The same can't be said to Anzio.
They were up against an enemy superior to them in every single way and they had to win despite every odds. Of course it was interesting.
This time tho, they have the upper hand in terms of vehicles.
Oarai have a better commander than most (Miho).
And Team Anglerfish is likely the best tank team in the anime.
yeah it was italy who invaded poland, russia and attacked the US
>Italy got fucked by shit leadership and mostly shit generals combined with a crappy starting industrial base that wasn't developed when they had the chance.
This guy gets it
>This time tho, they have the upper hand in terms of vehicles.
Well it is true that this time that two of Oorai's tanks could actually take hits from some of the guns pointed at them.
Mussolini plz, you trying to use it like one doesn't actually make it one.
they are only armed with fucking MG's, why even bother sending them into battle?
No fucking wonder Anzio sucks.
>Poland, Russia and Murrica are the only places combat in ww2 happened
What happened with Italy?
Wasn't Italy very rich during the middle ages? To the point that the city of Florence by itself was richer than the Kingdom of England?
It was Italy who delayed Barbarossa by a month.
>different countries have different parameters for categorization
Panthers weighed as much as KV and IS heavy tanks but the Germans still considered it a medium.
**WHY ARE THE CAPTCHAS SO FUCKING HARD NOW**
some had 20mm cannons >>100055946 though that is still not a big improvement in context
Wasn't it more like only the P40 could actually hurt Oorai's B1?
- invading Poland is arguably what started the whole mess;
- backstabbing Russia got a huge as fuck superpower with an endless stream of men and tanks against you and opened up a new front;
- attacking the US spurred them into action possibly much sooner than they would've
that was a long time ago mate, England was a huge as fuck empire too, not 200 years ago. Lots of stuff happened inbetween
It's inability to actually win wars from then on led France and Austria to pass it between each other like a cheap whore, before the Austro-Prussian war happened and despite losing badly on their front Italy got independence thanks to Prussia kicking ass.
And then it went and lost a war against ethopia.
true but the manga's version of events conflict with the anime, so it is still up in the air whether they try to use the B1 in the OVA
'England' was a huge as fuck empire until after WW2.
You do understand the point being made is Italy spread the fighting around further and sapped Germany's strength when they had to be bailed out?
Isn't the B1 only found after they beat Anzio?
You're thinking of the Tiger P
It's sloped by 45° so its actual LoS thickness should be quite a bit higher. Luckily for the crews the fact that it's riveted should be no huge problem in the GuPverse either.
She was surprisingly capable in the manga. Her tactic was almost the same as Pravda's except that she used disposable tanks as a bait instead of the frickin' flag tank.
>Italy got independence thanks to Prussia kicking ass
Nope that's France, look up the battles of Magenta and Solferino.
In the anime only, in the manga they found it before the match against Anzio and Yukari is its commander.
the B1 and the KwK 40 gun for the PzKpfw IV were found in the same episode as the 'match' with Anzio was shown, but they were not ready until the match with Pravda which is where the manga conflicts with the anime
They do not get to pick the flag tank.
Do you honestly believe that the axis would have been better off without Italy though?
I was talking about the Third War of Italian Independence, the one where there was an independent Italy that actually controlled all of Italy at the end of it.
Once again you are completely ignoring the point being made.
well you said that the germans lost the war because italy forced them to spread their forces, right?
They don't pick it, but it's sure as hell their decision how they use it.
Would the invasion of Russia gone better if they hadn't delayed it to go and bail Italy out of Greece and would Rommel and the rest of the Africa Korps been better placed striking at Russia instead of giving the British Empire/Commonwealth's land forces something to do?
Would it have won the war?
Would these positives have made up for all the Italian military contributed to the war effort?
It was even worse in WW1. They were supposedly allies with Germany and Austria-Hungary but then went "nah, fuck this" and bailed from the previous alliance with the Central Powers as soon the war broke out.
England still rules the world.
Holy shit, Yukari gets to command her own tank? Gotta read the manga sometime.
CAMERATA ALBIONICO, MI CONGRATULO CON TE PER LE ECCELLENTI DOPPIE CIFRE!
MA RICORDO LO FINE PVRAMENTE DIFENSIVO DELL'ACCORDO CON I BARBARI OPPRESSORI AVSTRIACI
Considering its lack of ability the choices Italy made were detrimental to the war effort of Germany, that said you cannot claim it as the singular cause of Germany's defeat.
The entire North African theater of combat would probably have not happened if Italy had just assisted Germany or sat on its hands.
Yukari, Erwin and Aya were an ad-hoc crew for the B1 in the manga.
same could be said about Duck Team, the Type 89's gun also can't even scratch most enemies.
(not surprisingly considered it is an anti-infantry gun)
diglielo in inglese va', figurati se sti ignoranti sanno più di una lingua
You can argue about the poor tactical skill of the italian leadership (and i'd agree with you for the most part), but strategy-wise they didn't make the worst mistakes in the war.
Duck team didn't even score one kill in the entire series, not even a mobility kill iirc
I still wonder how the B1 can halfway do it's job with a 3-men-crew.. i mean, one driver, one person to load, aim and fire the main gun, one to load, fire and aim the secondary gun AND command the tank...
The only difference is, Ooarai was lucky to even scrape 5 tanks together in the beginning, the Type 89 being useless was a least concern I guess.
Anzio could just switch the two Ansaldos for two M13/40's, not that it would matter that much given that those are useless too, but still.
No, cause they simply couldn't.
Everything above maybe a Panzer1 is too well armored for the gun they have.
StGloriana is pretty much fucked too, when their enemy has halfway armored tanks. No way the Mathildas could take out a KV2 or a Panther.
PER LI BARBARI CHE NON CONOSCEVANO LA SCRITTVRA QUANDO A ROMA VIVEVANO VIRGILIO ET AVGVSTO: the alliance with Austria was a defensive one
M13/40 was a pretty decent tank for it's time, the only drawback it had to the PanzerII was the riveted hull.
>20 minutes from Anzio's perspective preparing for the battle
>3 minutes of greetings and driving toward the enemy
>30 seconds of explosions
>ENTER ENTER MIISSSSSIOOON
This is the only way.
Could mobility kill it at close range and with a bit of luck survive one or two shots.
Well it takes an eternity to reload and cannot fight if the ground is sloped. Plus the turret turns about as fast as a Dodge.
>I JUST FEEL MY WIND, I JUST FEEL MY SHINE
otherwise it's a 10/10
Sure, when I talk about them being useless, or not much of use, I always just think about what the two schools have in their lineup, what goes up against what. Not the fact that it did well on the desert sands of Africa against early british tanks like the Crusader.
Yogurt academie is either Hungarian or Bulgarian:
either way: Hungary tanks.
Pls no, my national pride wouldn't be able to take it
In all honesty how the fuck did Anzio even win the first round? I actually hope that is explained. Makes you wonder what Maginot has in their arsenal.
B1s and Renaults.
So yeah. The P40s can probably kill a B1 if they drive behind it and blast a dozen shells into it at point blank range.
They're faster than the B1 turret can turn.
Using the tactical blunder of the century as their name has to give away just how competent they are.
>Implying you didn't lose because of Zhukov
Did StGloriana use all their best tanks in the first match? I thought it was just a friendly so they didn't go all out but would up the number and add in more Churchill's and Cromwell's etc. Certainly impressive if they made it to the semi-finals if their 2 Matildas, Crusader and Churchill (if I remembered right) were all they had.
Well, there were armies with worse tank corps than the hungarian one.
Think of the cute girls Anon. I'd learn to deal with it.
If the match was restricted to early-war tanks, or borrowed Soviet equipment they'd kick ass. Otherwise, what fucking tanks?
There's one on the topside of the USS Enterprise ast time I was down in NYC
read the katakana: Yogurt is the Fucking name for that wonderful nation... ( i know, feels, bad feels..fucking Japanese!)
Maginot is likely FT-17's with CharB's and Renault 35's with a few Somuas...
i bet Anchovy is just a better tactician than whoever runs Maginot...you could use L3/33's to pin the FT-17's, but honestly, the guns on the last 3 tanks...they' cant do 40-55mm of armor easily, they'd have to close, and the Hetalia tonks are faster...even in reverse....
7TP's and horse mounted cavalry? Are animals even allowed to substitute tanks?
To be fair, the 7TP was an excellent tank...for being made in 1939.
Isn't it the Intrepid that's in NY, though?
Maybe they use the tanks of one of the exiled Polish forces?
yeah, the Italy guns are actually a bit better than the french ones...French had good actual stats and MV, but they didn't use AP shells until the Free French started using shermans...
Italy, well, they were jealouys of bro Germany, so of course they used AP...did great in the Semovente 90...
which, if Anzio had, THEY BETTER FUCKING USE!!!!!!!
>horse mounted cavalry
"Polish Cavalry" were regular infantry (armed with rifles and such) who rode on horseback.
maginot surrendered faster than anzio could retreat
If you would sort the tanks by time, the best Kuromori would be able to field in a match would be a early PZ IV or a Neubaufahrzeug. Not too intimidating ....
Yes, they did fair quite well against Pz I's and Pz II's.
Well the StuG maybe officially a self-propelled assault gun, but was more of a tank destroyer when in use, the Semovente 90 is purely artillery, how can that be allowed?
>open crew compartment
its not allowed
*sniffle* ...i wish, anime confirms use of the fucking twin-turret by Bompurei
honestly, 7TP spam with actual AP ammo, supported by the TSK 20mm tankettes, as well as a few Renaults and FT-17 (polish) would be OK in sensha-do. Kuromorimine, SGGS, and Pravda would laugh at it, but the 37mm on the 7TP, with proper AP ammo, would be able to threaten Oarai, Anzio, and Saunders tanks with a little finesse.
Poland suffers from loosing in '39: they were planning to make a 10TP vehicle which would have been similar to the US Stuart, sans the really good engine, and, it's would pack a 47mm gun.
Well, otherwise they just field a mix of American and British tanks, sure that's the most logical.
i know, best gun the Italians had, and they strapped it to a external carrier.
Who are the vikings, Norway or Finland, and did either have their own developed tank in the war?
Norway was essentially a non-tank user, but the Swedes first developed tanks in WWII< seeing as what happened to Norway might come their way next.
last one is equal to P40 italian in power, easily....
I know Norway were the actual vikings but Sweden was and is the one with the tanks.
Semovente 90 is open topped and therefore not allowed in senshado.
>Flames of war general detected
Nobody is saying Italian navy was the best. But the Italian Navy won no battles, yet they managed to ferry supplies to North Africa with the largest percentage of "stuff sent vs stuff actually delivered" of all WWII navies, and that was going against the Royal Navy AND the Allied air superiority. (No, I'm not Italian, but credit where it's due. They also made good pasta).
Also, GuP already makes the joke of Anzio having a much better intendence than their tank team. And cooking pasta.
> but they didn't use AP shells until the Free French started using shermans...
Every French tanks used AP rounds (including the 75mm SA35 of the B1 and B1 Bis).
However, tanks like the R35 and the FCM 36 had more HE than AP available in their usual/regular combat load.
I don't even play FoW, but those threads are essentially military history threads anyway, so I can't keep myself away...
Oh come on it was all a joke, you german bakas.
since when has Australia had any sort of armoured division?
Turan I (40mm gun) and II (short-barreled 75mm gun, both 15-50mm armor) were comparable to a Panzer III or a Panzer IV D, but the Turan III (thicker armor, schurzen and long-barreled 75mm gun, actually a copy of the Pak 40) was almost the equivalent of a late Panzer IV.
What the hell is this tank doing
The fuck you say about Straya?
Aussies had their own tank program until they figured that the US could build all their tonks for them.
<- This Sentinel mounted two 25lbr howitzers to test if the turret and chassis could withstand the recoil of a 17lbr (which it could)
Managed to beat the Emus yet?
Well, the Turán III would have been an equal if it was ever made in numbers, it only had 2 prototypes.
Plus, making something equal to an up-gunned and up-armored PzIV isn't all that impressive circa late '43, early '44.
The German simply bypass the line all the French had to do was to extend it but they didn't
why did I laugh this hard
>Not the ARL 44
Don't fuck with emus, man.
They bypassed the line by attacking along the exact same route they did in the previous war.
Unfortunately you wouldn't be able to get that version of the ARL 44 into a match, as it isn't senshado legal. Earlier prototypes you could.
>spend loads and loads of money
>build fuckhueg fortifications
>put large amounts of troops there
>never ever get to use it because the enemy simply outsmarted you
so what use did the Maginot have? That the Germans couldn't directly into France, but had to take a detour? That ain't much...
It seems you should be reminded yourself of their performance in North Africa, namely how the Italians were the ones covering the German's retreat at El Alamein.
Also, their tanks were not all that worse than their contenders. The M13/40 and the Crusader had similar mobility and were both able to destroy each other. The Allies even used themselves the ones they captured...
It was the Italian leadership that sucked unmitigated ass.
because you can only imagine how this tank would've wiped the floor with everyone else.
The 75mm tank destroyers coud also take it down. Just that they didn't.
As they, they had to extend it
That is the lousiest awful stinkin' most stupid joke and you guys are always pulling that stinkin' awful stupid joke.
>In the anime only,
Nope, the B1 is found in episode 7
too bad the only time Sentinels were taken out of mothballs were to film a movie, mocked up as German tanks.
You are mistaken. Kindly rewatch episode 5 where we actually see on screen how the teams DO choose the flag tank.
You went to war against a flightless bird and lost, you aren't going to live that down Australia.
except Saunders was not choosing which tank to be the flag tank, they were saying which tank was the flag tank
It would be stupid if you could just choose your own flag tank, Black Forest would just pick the Maus and win all year, every year.
I want /int/ to leave.
It's even funier. The anime actually makes it wrong with the B1. It's one person to load the gun, one person to drive and aim the gun (that had ZETO traverse and was finely aimed by a rather crazy overengineered direction system that allowed the WHOLE TANK to be pointed finely ), and an overtaxed person to man the secondary AND command the tank.
No, they discussed about the crew which will operate the flagtank and not the tank.
Yet they were pivotal for every single victory. They scouted, they lured, they covered, they survived, they baited, and they got a fucking MAUS ASSIST KILL.
>Not yukayuri goggles.jpg
>20 minutes of Anzio SoL
I'm ok with this.
The sides armor of a Panther was only 40-50mm (which was within the 2-pounder's capabilities) and their rear armor was paper-thin
Would love a tank game with ocolus support.
Would be a great way to show the real main difference between German tanks and espencially the Russian tanks.
Debatable. Certainly MBTs aren't the best fit for the current insurgency based wars the first world is fighting at present, but they're still useful. And it would be foolish to assume insurgencies will be the only wars ever fought from now on.
To be fair, tank design and doctrine in the inter-war years was mostly feeling its way in the dark. But I think the B1 has to have one of the worst crew role allocations ever...
I want you to stop posting worst girls.
double double barrel -that's 4 guns-, both posts ending in 4, I should not be laughing at that...
What you forget was that Belgium had their own defensive line. This line was capable of firing shells all the way to Cologne. What the Germans did was fly with gliders towards these forts and plant a sort of upside down mine on it and let it explode inwards, dismantling the artillery.
The Belgiums were cunts to the French (pretty much everyone) because during the peace talks no one really listened to them, eventhough they were hurt the most. So they denied the plans to further extend the maginot line on their soil.
That's enough to make it senshado-legal for an hipotetical school based upon them.
Also, being comparable to a late war Panzer IV about 1 year before there were late war Panzer IVs is somewhat impressive... not VERY impressive, but at least a little.
Everyone went full retarded during the prewar. It was like they were asking Germany to go and rape them.
Importing Echiina 2 and some GuP non-H slightly more delayed because I forgot to check the balance of my CC
Kindly rewatch how they say they were aboutto chose a flag tank. Then kindly rewatch how Yukari says they have chosen a flag tanbk. Then kindly admit you were wrong.
>implying they had it a year ago without Miho knowing or mentioning it in episode 10
>implying Maho didn't want to be the flag tank herself for her own reasons
The one at the Intrepid is an A-12 instead of an SR-71, so it's technically not a Blackbird.
Just came to say these planes are sexy as fuck.