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Los Angeles Times Review: 'Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo' a sleek anime mess

>The third installment in a four-film series, 'Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo' looks good but veers to melodrama.

>The most beautiful depiction of war ever rendered on film might be found in the first six minutes of "Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo."

>In the third installment of four films rebooting the anime series "Neon Genesis Evangelion," the fate of the universe depends on giant robots that blast across magenta-orange sunsets, shooting comets of turquoise, emerald and amethyst. It's splendor on steroids.

>Unfortunately, the battle wages on for 20 more minutes, a gorgeous tangle of explosions, sexy-sleek visuals and nonsensical dialogue delivered in screeches. A protagonist finally emerges near the half-hour mark: Teen pilot Shinji (voiced by Megumi Ogata) wakes up from a 14-year coma to help stave off the apocalypse, only to discover it's already happened.

>Because the franchise is steeped in ham-fisted Christian symbolism, Shinji is told by his new friend Kaworu (Akira Ishida) between magical piano lessons that "all sins can be atoned for." Thus begins a final robot battle in which Shinji strives to restart life on Earth.

>This description makes "Evangelion 3.0" sound much more coherent than it actually is. The films are for hard-core fans only, with minimal exposition or character development. The convoluted plot will make any neophyte more confused than a dog in space. Desiccated by its pretensions, it's freeze-dried melodrama.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-evangelion-review,0,7780878.story#ixzz2q7X7a9aO


http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-evangelion-review,0,7780878.story#ixzz2q7WkSoZy
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The Episode I of anime
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So what's 4chan's take on 3.0? It has a good subtitle, "you CANNOT redo" the horror that was 3.0. I'd go as far as saying it's a disgrace.
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>>100052085
>Because the franchise is steeped in ham-fisted Christian symbolism
Hah.
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>>100052211
A vocal minority liked and circlejerked over it for quite some time, but I'd say the reaction was primarily negative.
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>>100052085
>Because the franchise is steeped in ham-fisted Christian symbolism
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>>100052211
Its a hunk of shit
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>>100052085
>A shitty movie got a bad review
As expected. 3.0 is terrible.
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>>100052390
Even Anno admits it, why can't you?
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http://youtu.be/rCjXHgM0kaM
What's it saying?
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EVA3.0 wins Excellence Prize at Japan Media Arts Festival

>http://j-mediaarts.jp/awards/excellence_award?locale=ja&section_id=3

eat shit merican
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1.0 and 2.0 were great, 3.0 was maximum shit tier, i hope 4.0 is better
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>>100052446
>>100052404
>>100052338

I dropped the movie at the moment when kaworu told shinji he liked him and shinji blushed. I was like nope.jpg

I REALLY enjoyed the first 2 movies though, the fucked around with 2.0 but it was fine. The anime is just great though
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>>100052211
I don't know. It can't stand on it's own, that's for sure. Everything depends on 4.0 and whether the dots can connect or not. 3.0 had a lot of dots to be connected. I wish they stuck to the plan they had when they made 2.0.
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>>100052872
they fucked**
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This is a fairly accurate summary of 3.0
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>>100052566
>Even Anno admits it, why can't you?
Depends on what you mean by that;

He has no knowledge of Christianism.
He randomly looked for terms in the Bible and decided to use them in the anime because they looked cool. He mentioned that if he knew Evangelion would be popular in the west, he wouldn't use it (because it is embarrassing, since he is aware that he doesn't know anything).
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Saw it last night at an out of the way theater in Hickville. I didn't love it. The animation was certainly expensive, but the narrative was subpar.
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>>100052123
Not that bad.
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>>100052872
Did you drop the anime when Kaworu said he loved Shinji and Shinji was blushing the whole time?
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evangelion in general is overrated.
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>>100052211
It's shit, but I really some things about it.
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>robot
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> are for hard-core fans only, with minimal exposition or character development. The convoluted plot will make any neophyte more confused than a dog in space. Desiccated by its pretensions, it's freeze-dried melodrama

Well, that kind of describes any anime ever.
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>>100053203
[citation needed]
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>rebooting the anime series
>the fate of the universe dependson giant robots
>ham fisted Christian symbolism
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>>100053798
This, evas aren't robots
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>>100052085
A surprisingly competent review from the mainstream media.

I love how /a/ is being all contrarian now despite the fact that most Anon's reaction was pretty much the same.
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>>100052085
>http://www.laweekly.com/movies/puella-magi-madoka-magica-part-1-and-2-1898287/
The story's baroque but absorbing twists take this epic into startling new territory, though. Are our fondest wishes dangerous to our loved ones as well as our undoing? If you have an extraordinary talent, is it ever a terrible, even selfish, impulse to use it? Several knowing winks brighten the dialogue--one girl jokingly accuses another of "acting like an anime character"--and the storytelling, if maybe a little heavy on exposition, achieves a melancholy worthy of Pinocchio.
There's sumptuous production design, in particular several elevated perspectives of urban landscapes and large-scale architecture, curiously crowd-free, against which the girls and spirits battle.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-puella-magi-review-20131206,0,4860968.story#axzz2q7alwPlT
>'Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Rebellion' a crazy, colorful trip

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-puella-magi-review-20131206,0,4860968.story#ixzz2q7fbz6lq
>the real star is the riot collage of twisty, breakneck visuals underscoring these conversations and battles: swirling ribbons, fabric-textured backgrounds, fantastical weaponry, demented childhood iconography and shape-shifting forms that create a highly tactile evocation of roiling emotions.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-puella-magi-review-20131206,0,4860968.story#ixzz2q7fShV00
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>>100053584
If you took each statement individually, it would certainly describe a lot. But what's impressive that 3.0 manages to hit all three.
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>>100053926
>Contrarian
But most of /a/ thinks that Eva is just pretentious garbage too
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>demented childhood iconography and shape-shifting forms that create a highly tactile evocation of roiling emotions.

I guess this is where you end up when you have a major in English.
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>There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice."
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>>100054142
Sorry my bad engrish

But all the japanese manga or anime face the same problem.

It's culture thing

There are tons of show use religion symbol, but no of the reach NGE level.
Just look at FMA, know one care his religion symbol, becasue it's just generic (ie. Seven deadly sins) unlike Evangelion actually make it cool
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>>100053764
go away reddit
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After having rewatched the old series and Rebuild 2/3 again ... I actually think both of the rebuilds have "weak" points.

The characters in 2.0 behave almost nothing like the original ones. Yes some "advance" would have been nice but the changes are too much for me personally.


In 3.0 the plot is a mess. Its not ambiguous but rather just poorly explained. The characters are overall closer to the original but with an addition of huge stupidity that makes no sense.
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>>100052623
Excellence prize is just a consolation prize given to successful directors in bad works, just the main prize means anything
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>>100052624

Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium!
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische, Dein Heiligtum.
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt,

Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo Dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
Seid umschlungen, Millionen!
Diesen Kuß der ganzen Welt!
Brüder, überm Sternenzelt
Muß ein lieber Vater wohnen!

Wem der große Wurf gelungen,
Eines Freundes Freund zu sein,
Wer ein holdes Weib errungen,
Mische seinen Jubel ein!
Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele
Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
Weinend sich aus diesem Bund!

Was den großen Ring bewohnet,
Huldige der Sympathie!
Zu den Sternen leitet sie,
Wo der Unbekannte thronet.

Freude trinken alle Wesen
An den Brüsten der Natur;
Alle Guten, alle Bösen
Folgen ihrer Rosenspur.
Küsse gab sie uns und Reben,
Einen Freund, geprüft im Tod;
Wollust ward dem Wurm gegeben,
Und der Cherub steht vor Gott.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ode_to_Joy
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>>100054079
Wouldn't know it from reading this thread.
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>>100053977
But it's right
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"I thought it sounded cool"
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>>100054464
Eva threads are full of /v/ermin and rebbit regects
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>>100054343
I believe that was already in use before reddit existed.
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>Because the franchise is steeped in ham-fisted Christian symbolism
Oh boy.
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This confirms my opinion that no original tv series fan should watch the Rebuilds.
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>>100053764
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>>100054681
But reviews says its also bad for new people because it has no exposition
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>>100052085
>The most beautiful depiction of war ever rendered on film might be found in the first six minutes
This nigga cannot be serious
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>>100054682
Yeah, I don't think I really want to trust fansubs on this.
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>>100054418

This one got a translation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._9_(Beethoven)
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>>100054682
Why do people constantly bring that up? Are you fuckers really too autistic to detect a joke?

Also, do you really think he's about to go into depth explaining that stuff to a bunch of school kids?

That Evangelion is loaded with Christian symbolism, much of which either makes sense or is in direct contrast with what is in the Bible, is no coincidence. Hell, given the depiction of angels in Evangelion, you'd swear it was one of the few pieces of media in the last 500 years that actually referenced the Bible's descriptions of them when it came to their physical appearance.
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>>100054405
Oh look another retard
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>>100054663
It's things like that, that stop me from hating him
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I would say it didn't really make me feel anything, i'm basically indifferent to the rebuild series, it exists to me.

I've been meaning to re-watch the show soon, just watched EOE a week ago for the first time in a few years.

I used to watch the show 2+ times a year for a few years after i got in on dvd when i was 13-16 (25 now). It was my first love, then cowboy, then trigun.
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>>100052085

This guy is an idiot. The Rebuild movies have brought more fans into the series, so telling me this is for hard-core fans only is stupid.

Whether people liked it or not, everyone still fucking watched it. Way to be late on this crap opinion LA Times
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>>100054973
He's semi-retarded but he's right. You should only go out of your way to watch 3.0 if you actually give a shit, because it's terrible.
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>>100054865
>>100054857
Denial is for the weak.
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>>100054865
>Mr. Anno apparently never read the Bible, despite the heavy Christian symbology of his work; he just picked out a few interesting technical terms.
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>>100054973
He's just stating the obvious. If you didn't see 1.0 and 2.0 you're going to be completely lost.

Problem is that most American movies series are designed so that anyone can start watching it at any time, whether they watched the rest of the series or not.

Because viewers are morons I guess.
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>>100054865
Plenty of Gainax people explicitly said there is no deep meaning to the Christian symbolism in the anime. That it is just there to look cool.

What else would you need to change your opinion on that?
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I loved the TV series and EoE but I still haven't watched any of the rebuilds because from what I've heard/seen it's just fanservice bullshit like the new Madoka movie.
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>>100054865
>h-he's just joking guys
The symbolism doesn't mean shit. It's just a thematic element. They could have named the Angels after the Knights of the Round Table and called the Lance of Longinus "Excalibur" and it all would have been the same shit.
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>>100055325
Nobody cares
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>>100055368
If you worked on Gainax at the time, maybe this is what would have happened, since they have very cool names.
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>>100052211
I was so excited for it, It was quite depressingly bad.
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>>100055325
Rewatch the TV series again. Not saying that the Rebuild movies are bad just saying with that kind of narrow minded thinking you should just stick to masturbating to the TV series instead.
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>>100054682
Everytime i see this pivture

It makes me realize gaijin really can't into japanese culture

It means the Gospel, in kanji is 福音, the voice of happness

I don't see anything wrong why Anno uses that word since this show is about try to find happness, It's Anno's gospel

The titles actually more make sense and had more meanings than lots of anime
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>>100052211
>So what's 4chan's take on 3.0?
Why would you ask for /a/'s take on anything?
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>>100055500
That's great, it still doesn't have anything significant to do with Christianity, which is what we're talking about.

Every time I see posters like you it makes me realize Japs can't into Western culture.
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>>100055500
Why

do

you

talk

like

this?
Why would not understanding why Anno chose the title mean you don't know about Japanese culture?
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>>100052211
If you're familiar with Anno and how he works this film shouldn't come to any surprise however if you're one of the many "insert character"fags who only watch the previous movies for poka poka bullshit you're obviously gonna have your head up your ass to care.
>>100052918
None of the films can stand on their own, it's a quadroligy telling an ongoing narrative. That's like complaining that Empire Strikes Back can't stand out on it's own.
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>>100052211
It was really a step down. Everything good from 2.0 was gone and the bad things were somehow worse, Mari is the perfect example, she was already one of the disappointing aspects of 2.0, but at least she chomped AT fields and all that, then came 3.0 and she was somehow even more shallow and useless.
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Same as the Matrix

>The name Nebuchadnezzar is a Biblical reference to Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon, from the Book of Daniel. King Nebuchadnezzar ('the Great') was famous for his conquests of Israel in Biblical times (specifically Judah and Jerusalem). He is also assumed to have built the Hanging Gardens of Babylon (one of the lost Seven Wonders of the Ancient World) for his wife. He has a dream he cannot remember but keeps searching for an answer. Morpheus makes reference to this after the Nebuchadnezzar is destroyed with the line "I have dreamed a dream; but now that dream is gone from me". Nebuchadnezzar's dream is found in Daniel 2:1-49.

>The Nebuchadnezzar was named after the largest sized bottles used in wine production. While writing the Matrix, the Wachowski brothers asked about the name of the giant display bottle of Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin at the cafe they frequented in Chicago. The bottle was a "nebuchadnezzar."
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>>100052211
>I'd go as far as saying it's a disgrace.
Wow you're a complete faggot
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>>100055987
>it's a quadroligy telling an ongoing narrative
That's not what is meant by this. The films can't stand on their own because they're not very good and rely on Eva's previous fame. Well, 2.0 could for better or for worse.

Nobody would bother giving 3.0 a chance if it wasn't Eva and wasn't Anno.
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>>100052338
>minority
>primarily
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>>100056299
Quality, which is subjective, has absolutely nothing to do with whether the films can stand on their own. The LoR films don't stand well on their own at all despite how well made they were.
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>>100056299
>I don't like this film so it doesn't stand out on it's own that's really not how it works.

>Nobody would bother giving 3.0 a chance if it wasn't Eva and wasn't Anno.

I don't even understand this stupid logic.
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>>100052085
I just watched this film in theaters an hour ago and it was fucking amazing.

Can't wait for the next one
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>>100052211
It has incredibly vocal hatebase mostly consisting of Reifags but overall you're not gonna get a consensus of the film. Some of the negativity is hilariously overdone

>This film is a disgrace

Fucking really?
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>>100056416
I'm just explaining what the term means to that guy who apparently doesn't understand. Quality does effect whether a film can stand on its own or not, though it is not the only factor.
>>100056478
I don't understand what you're implying by that first greentext. Please type your thoughts out correctly.
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>>100056692
>Quality does effect whether a film can stand on its own or not,
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>>100056416
>quality is subjective
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>>100056692
You're shit out of luck if you watch only the Empire Strikes Back then.
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>>100056647
As a guy who has Rei as his favorite character I didn't like it but not because it damaged my waifu. It was a disappointment that's for damn sure but it wasn't worse than grandpa dying
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>>100056692
>Quality does effect whether a film can stand on its own or not
Not really since a lot of movies that are considered culturally relevant aren't considered good by any stretch of the imagination.
>>100056803
What a compelling argument.
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>>100056877
>As a guy who has Rei as his favorite character
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3.0 is deliberately confusing and different to give the audience a sense of Shinji's entering into an unfamiliar world. I would have been much more disappointed if they just continued to rehashed the series with minor tweaks.

Also, the ending has me excited for 4.0
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>>100056822
You're fucking retarded. Didn't I just explain that when people say "the film doesn't stand on its own" means something different than you think it means?

>>100056905
I didn't say it was the only thing, I just said it does effect it. To say quality has no bearing on whether something "stands alone" or not is just silly, even if it is subjective.
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>>100055987
This. All the negativity stems from Anno once again trolling the fanbase though instead of sucking his dick like they did with EoE they're staking for his life after 3.0.
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>>100056905
it isn't an arguement. it is an observation. an observation that you do not know what the word quality means.
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>>100057016
>Didn't I just explain that when people say "the film doesn't stand on its own" means something different than you think it means?
There's only one fucking meaning to that retard.
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>>100057016
>To say quality has no bearing on whether something "stands alone" or not is just silly
But he's right. Look in the congress list of ilms that are considered culturally relevant and then see the reasons that they are listed. Quality is just subjective and don't effect how a film stand on it' own at all.
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>>100057093
So because you have no idea what quality means it somehow means that he doesn't?
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>>100057014
It was confusing because it was badly written and the whole mess could have been avoided if Shinji was told what the fuck was going on from the very start.
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>>100057093
Except quality IS subjective. All you did was just the generic greentext plus image combo.
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>>100057305
Not this shit again.
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>>100057128
There is a literal meaning, but don't tell me you've seriously never heard some say something like "That director is good, but his recent work fails to stand on its own."

>>100057192
Ultimately, everything can be considered objective. I'm not arguing about culturally relevancy on some grand scale, I'm just arguing that "quality" can effect when someone may consider a work to "stand alone" on a casual, isolated scale.
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>>100057305
>I didn't get it so it's badly written

Yep this is some serious deja vu here
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>>100057394
>objective
Dear god, I meant subjective.
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>>100057305
If someone only watched up to episodes 24-25 of the series they would be confused too. It is an unfinished narrative based around the confusion of the protagonist.
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>>100052085
Sounds like it got the flak it deserved.

>>100052211
3.0 is the worst Rebuild movie by far, when it should have been the best.
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>mfw someone say Eva 3.0 is bad because "b-b-but it doesn't explain anything!"
I swear there are some retards in eva thread that obviously never watched the original series.
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Anyone actually going to a showing tonight?
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>>100057014

I still think they could have done a better job at that.

For example make it confusing if pulling out the Lances at the end is good or not. Don't let every single fucking person in the movie scream at him that its wrong.

Let us feel sympathy for Shinji that he is lost and confused since everyone tells him different things.
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>>100057656
That would require me to leave my house

So no
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>>100055987
Butthurt fanfag detected.
There isn't a vocal hatebase, there is a focal fanbase here on /a/.
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>>100057305

>the whole mess could have been avoided if Shinji was told what the fuck was going on from the very start.

What mess ?

Avoid him leaving with Rei ?

Didn't they tell him nothing because they were unsure if he had done it intentionally and maybe worked for his farther ?
So there was no point explaining everything to him and giving away key information. It wouldn't have persuaded him to stay since he wasn't on their side to begin with.

Avoid what ? The new impact ?

They told him he could trigger those. He knew that and that it was dangerous. He still tried to pull the lances because he thought it would reverse the impact. They had no knowledge of that.
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>>100057656
Lots of canadian showings were during the day

I recommend watching the english dub
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Does the 3.33 DVD/BluRay come with english dub?
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>>100052085
>Because the franchise is steeped in ham-fisted Christian symbolism, Shinji is told by his new friend Kaworu (Akira Ishida) between magical piano lessons that "all sins can be atoned for."
Yep, Ikoo Kang is absolutely right here. The concept of sin and atonement is extremely forced and leaves a bad taste to the mouth.

>This description makes "Evangelion 3.0" sound much more coherent than it actually is. The films are for hard-core fans only, with minimal exposition or character development. The convoluted plot will make any neophyte more confused than a dog in space. Desiccated by its pretensions, it's freeze-dried melodrama.
...aaaand nailed it.


>>100052211
They obviously put a lot of effort in it, and the result they got is much like the previous two, some solid animation and color work set to good sound. The audiovisuals are great. But that's where the good parts end. The story is lacking, the characters are lacking, and any sense of forward momentum in the plot is lacking even though a lot evidently happened. Not only are they lacking, they are downright idiotic at times as well.
This movie is not even for the fans, unless you're fan of some very specific things about Evangelion.

I'd say it's a disgrace as well.
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>>100057305
They could only have avoided the mess by avoiding making 3.0.

>>100058326
Not him but
>Didn't they tell him nothing because they were unsure if he had done it intentionally and maybe worked for his farther ?
No, and even then they're doing things wrong. This isn't how you bring someone out of a 14-year old coma, friend, foe or inbetween.

The movie relies on them instantly abusing/mistreating/rejecting/neglecting Shinji so that Shinji will instantly distrust them and get the need for distance, at which point Rei Q conveniently picks him up as he leaves willingly - this is what we call being extremely contrived. The whole movie is like this, from start to beginning, things happen in an extremely convenient manner.

The movie might even have been some kind of experiment to see how low they can go, how low they can deliver as long as it's moe, to see how it'd be accepted.
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Who dallas here.sitting here and people screaming oh god help us all
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>>100058408
>The story is lacking, the characters are lacking, and any sense of forward momentum in the plot is lacking even though a lot evidently happened. Not only are they lacking, they are downright idiotic at times as well.

I have absolutely no idea how it is possible for me to agree with this statement so much, yet also really like the film itself at the same time.

Being an Evafag is suffering.
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>>100058677
You're a fan. But you're a dumb fan for liking the movie.
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>>100058677
It's like the Star Wars prequels all over again
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>>100058408
>The story is lacking, the characters are lacking, and any sense of forward momentum in the plot is lacking
but anon this is the point of movie
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>>100054329
3.0 was a shit movie. Why haven't you flogged Anno yet?

Japanese are cowardly herbivores with no direction in life.

George Lucas was bullied into saying he didn't want to make more Star Wars. You guys suck Anno's dick and buy anime figurines.
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>>100058885
So? It's ironically bad?
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>>100055987
>>100056647
It sure is easy to point out that special 3.0-defense-force in this thread.

It's especially pathetic how they latch on to the dogma of "THIS IS HOW ANNO ALWAYS WORKS, DONT BE SURPRISED WHEN HE DISAPPOINTS OR MAKES A BAD MOVIE! ITS SUPPOSED TO BE BAD!"
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>>100058968
More Eva is better than no more Eva at all.

I hope they keep milking the franchise in the future. I have reached the lowest depths of Evangelion fandom, and I feel fine.
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>>100058611

>No,

Then what was the reason ?

>even then they're doing things wrong

What should they have done ?

If he is/maybe is a foe then why should the not take their time to explain things ? Its not like they expected him to be gone after 3 min. They told him the basics for the chance that he was still a friend.

NERV is now evil with your farther. You can trigger Impacts so don't do that again piloting the EVA. This was enough information for Shinji to not do that. The reverse impact was a different scenario which they didn't know about.
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>>100059010
No, just set the mood of the tragedy.
14 years had passed and Anno had 90 minutes, if they showed how the characters/world had changed it would lack time to show how shinji dealt with the guilty and regret of making a huge mistake.
I think it was a right decision to give the majority of screentime to Shinji since the movie is about his emotional downfall.
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>>100059277
More eva IS better.

You dont find this butthurt hillarious?
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>>100059344
>No, just set the mood of the tragedy.
You mean the tragedy that the movie is shit?

>14 years had passed and Anno had 90 minutes,
Here's the truth: 14 years didn't' have to pass, and Anno had all the time he wanted, much more than 90 minutes.

>I think it was a right decision to give the majority of screentime to Shinji
The main character in EVA works always gets the majority of the screentime, you're actually impressed by something this basic. Do you want to watch me make fire? Can I be your new god?

Can't you just.... step down the fan-faggotry a bit?
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>>100059312
>What should they have done ?
They should simply put awakened him and calmed him, even if he was their friend or their enemy. The approach is the same. They verified that he doesn't know anything, so he's completely "safe" since he knows nothing about the future. Anything they tell him, he's liable to believe unless it's just gibberish and he doesn't understand it. There are no dangers here.

They didn't tell him the basics, they bullied him into submission and disoriented him to the point he wouldn't be able to tell right from right. There is extreme potential for trauma here:
Friends lost, cities laid into the ground, and most importantly guilt.

Their biggest problem was often their hackneyed wording - they say for instance in way of using clear words, that some person isn't dead, but "does not exist anymore", which is confusing since it only makes more questions about what she means, and this comes at the worst time since said person is believed to be right there.
The writing and dialogue is everything it hangs on in many cases, and because of this the movie is outright forced and contrived. It's outright bad.
>>100059277
That's depressing.
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I don't get why everyone hates 3.33 so much, I enjoy it for what it is. I'm not even a Kaworufag. I loved the music, atmosphere, visuals, battles, Shinji's psychological crazy-ness... I just want to understand some of the shit thats going on.
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>>100059870
It's because you're dumb and don't think much about the things you do.
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>>100059870
So you enjoyed all the superficial parts then - by the looks of it, they could have made anything and you would have enjoyed it. You say you want to understand, but you don't actually try understanding it.

If you did understand it, you'd hate it too.
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I just got back from a showing

it boggles my mind the amount of people there who were talking about how
>didn't watch nge lol just rebuild
>dropped nge partway through
then go
>LOL REDO IS SO RANDOM IDK WUT HAPPENING

and even then it's not that hard to figure out.

i liked redo, the only thing is that its pacing is shit
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>>100060033
You seriously think the only thing wrong with 3.33 is the pacing?
You're actually worse than those you try to put down you know. At least they're coming from just Rebuild.
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>>100058404
I'm wondering the same thing
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>>100052085
Absolutely true.
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>>100059924
Fuck you.

>>100059870
I agree with you, the atmosphere, music and visuals were fantastic. I can still see why everyone would shit on it, the direction of the movie in general was extremely nonsensical and the plot was pretty contrived. 3.0 basically killed off Asuka, Misato, and Rei.
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>>100052211
they made it gayer with Kaworu and made all the females unbearably unlikable

what the hell, Khara?
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>>100052085
They got their review right. Shallow pretentious crap that looks great. 3.0 is worst Rebuild.
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>>100059870
You might be a nasty fujoshit without realizing it. Only way you could be so shallow.
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>>100060203
>Fuck you.
For what, giving it to you like it is?
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>>100060033
>didn't watch nge lol just rebuild
>dropped nge partway through
then go
>LOL REDO IS SO RANDOM IDK WUT HAPPENING

Oh god, I hope you're not actually series. That type of shit is painful to read and hear. Fuck those people man..
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>>100060203
>literally agreeing with himself in a post
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>>100060356
Stop pretending it's not the truth.
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>>100052211
Total trash.
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>>100060423
That it was garbage? Sure.
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>>100060311
>series

I hope that was a joke.
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>>100060203
TOTALLY NOT REPLYING TO YOURSELF
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3.0 had the best cinematography of all the Rebuilds. It actually felt like a real movie.
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>>100059924
>>100060020
>>100060243
What I mean by understanding it, is Gendo's intentions, the whole "Spear's" deal and what exactly happened in the past 14 years. Sorry I don't get anal about small things so much that I can't enjoy the film.

Sure, character development in Rebuild isn't as good compared to the original series, but thats to be expected because of the format and so I enjoy it for what it is.
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>>100057315
no, quality is a trait that something possesses. If I were to point to a banana and say, "that banana is yellow," would you say that yellow is subjective? If I were to point to a hydrogen atom and say "that atom has one proton" would you rage that that is merely my opinion?

Now, if I were to say "this film has good qualities," there is subjectivity, because 'good' is a statement of value. but Quality is empirical.
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>>100060495
I don't think a person using a kaworu reaction image would know any better
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I just finished (TV) EVA. I'm stupid.

Why did she kiss him out of nowhere
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>The convoluted plot will make any neophyte more confused than a dog in space. Desiccated by its pretensions, it's freeze-dried melodrama.
ayup. Far more style than substance to be had here, I walked away from 2.0 getting the sense that I carried more with me.

I suppose the movie is good for fans of Kaworu....?
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>>100060586
Is this some kind of troll?
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>>100060683
Shinji get in the fucking robot.
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How about we just appreciate the fact that 3.0 has the best soundtrack in anime, of all time.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7E4X_w60fE

You can't just debate stuff like this.
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>>100060683
Because she likes him, but is reluctant to admit it to herself.
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>>100060603
In other words, you would be just as happy if we told you after 4.0 is out what those were? You are getting anal about the small things without even noticing. Those don't matter.
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>>100060134
sorry anon

seriously though, i'm not saying it was 10/10 masterpiece. characterization and plot was a mess as well, but i'm waiting to see if it'll make sense when final comes out

Side note: i noticed they fixed the DSS choker disappearing in the original trailer and japanese version
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>>100060683

Because she's young and horny.
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>>100060739
No, it's fact. 3.0 is better looking than most anime that have come out in the past decade.
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>>100060603
You are literally caring about smallish shit-tier plot details that won't make the movies any better than they are by knowing. These aren't small things you're not getting anal about, they're really fucking important even for the "format".

Don't bring in the format excuse, they had the time to do much better than what they did. The reason they didn't, was because they needed to pander maximally to the fans that don't care about plot details or quality writing, the Kaworufags. As long as Shinji is there with Kaworu, that's all they're there for.
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>>100060689
>I suppose the movie is good for fans of Kaworu....?
Fujoshit? Of course. No worth beyond that.
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>>100060683
Because she likes him, but is too insecure to actually tell him.
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>>100060830
It's a 5/10 flop
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>>100060683
There are subtle signs through the series that show that Asuka is the very least attracted to Shinji, and visa versa. However because of their own personal problems, they both are incapable of expressing their feelings probably, a common thing in Eva.
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>>100060739
Loneliest troll in the world
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>>100060845
>CGI
>CHINS
I don't think so, Anon.
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>>100060311
totally series

there was also a loud group of kawoshin shippers who squealed everytime kaworu was with shinji
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>>100060830
It looked good but the rest sucked. It's that simple.

>but i'm waiting to see if it'll make sense when final comes out
It won't make more sense.

>Side note: i noticed they fixed the DSS choker disappearing in the original trailer and japanese version
Yes.
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>>100060683
Teenage experimenting, she also feels something for him(not exactly romantic love) but doesn't understand it or want to come to terms with it. At the same time she want him to reach out to her with the teasing etc.
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>>100060758
I like how some of the tracks sound like it came out of some retro Tim Burton movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55gVdgwoxB0

>dat 2:31 mark

The music direction was fucking amazing.
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>>100060845
Maybe if you only watched late night TV-anime. Go away you filthy pleb.
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>>100060935
>>100060683
Right, and if you're watching a release that includes the so-called "directors cut" episodes that Anno re-released with new material animated for Evangelion: Death, episode 22 makes it pretty blatant that she likes him.

I've no idea if the 2D4U release uses those episodes, but I'm willing to bet yes.
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>>100052085
Everyone knows American film critics are useless pieces of shit. This just confirms it.
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>>100060758
Evangelion had a better soundtrack.
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>>100060830
3.33 ought to stand on its own merits or failings when it comes to judging whether it's good or not. 4.44 may answer some questions, but it won't make 3.33 any better as a movie by itself.
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>>100061145
But he's right.
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>>100061145
Confirms the exception to the rule? Mr. Critic there couldn't be more correct about the movie. Pretty but shit.
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>>100061145
>mad rebuildtard and/or kaworufag
Please go.
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>tfw Evangelion 4.0 won't be as good as picrelated

They should have just made Rebuild into an another 26 episode anime series.
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That's a fairly accurate review, kind of surprising considering that it came from the LA Times.

I loved 3.0 from a visual standpoint, but the "plot" was unforgivable.
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>People bringing up music and animation when confronted with the fact that 3.0 bad

I think most people agree that the ost and animation is good but anime at it's heart is a story telling medium( or genre?) and that is where 3.0 fails horribly. It's like saying a piece of shit is okay because it has a nice hat on it, maybe the hat covers some the smell and makes it easier to look at but at the end of the day it's still a piece of shit.
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>>100061145
>implying he's not right
Guess there's always exceptions to the rules.
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>>100061130
You mean this?
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>>100061297
You don't seem to get it, 3.0 is shit and people mention the good soundtrack only out of courtesy, as a compromise.

The movie is absolute shit.
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>>100061297
I can't enjoy the animation much with all the awful CG and worst of all, those chins. Animation was a bit choppy in some parts as well. Felt rushed.
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Post best girl.
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>>100061289
Didn't Anno once say that 4.0 was going to make everyone hate the franchise forever?
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>>100061391
>not Ramiel
faggot
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>>100061297
You can't just ignore the animation and soundtrack when discussing the movie either. They're 3.0's only redeemable merits, but they're not just redeemable merits, they're fantastic pieces of cinematography by themselves.
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>>100061373
Yes, that's the one.
She just wanted to be held ;_;-
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>>100061454
>cinematography
You keep using that word like it will magically stop 3.33 from being shit.
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>>100061446
Anno hasn't said anything about 4.0 yet.
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>>100061446
I don't think so. From what I've read, Anno actually wants to expand the franchise past Rebuild.
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>>100052085
>Because the franchise is steeped in ham-fisted Christian symbolism
Oh god, I laughed. It's unfortunately true.
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>>100059769

Just rewatched the first part :

They plainly state "this choker shows our mistrust and punishment for you"
I'm pretty fucking sure they don't think of him as a friend at that point.
They certainly don't think about a trauma since they believe hes guilty.


Just because he doesn't know anything about the future doesn't mean its safe. Don't forget that Unit 01 randomly activated earlier.

Doesn't matter if the stuff they tell him could be gibberish or not. It would still be the truth. Since there is no point in randomly telling him lies. Would just make him more suspicious


The thing with Rei clones is complex yes I agree but they simply did not take their time to explain it to him at that point. They probably would have eventually.
.
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>>100061446
It sure is set up to do so.

But the most obvious thing is that Rebuild is just another loop after EoE. Is that enough to make everyone hate the series?
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>>100061454
You know what? That isn't impressive.
It's like applauding the Americans for having an enormous army.

Evangelion is an enormous empire with fans to support it, if it was anything less than this something would be extremely wrong.

The Rebuild projects carry virtually no risks. The fanbase is diverse enough that you can be Mr. Fucking Machiavelli and play at divide&conquer for decades to come. People will buy something of the EVA cake, simply because how big it is. All the money funneled into Rebuild makes it impossible to make for a worse product. We don't know the budget they had other than Anno said "limitless" at one time.

With that in mind, considering that 3.0 relies on ugly 3DCG even for core characters..... yeah, not exactly impressive. As cinematography, there is nothing new there at all. It's all fairly standard.
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>>100052085
DId they finally dub it?
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>>100052085

Shinji is voiced by a woman? Heh.
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>the christian symbolism in evangelion is totally random

Translation

>I didn't understand evangelion at all and I need to be spoon fed absolutely everything about a story, oh god please spoon feed me I am so dumb
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>>100060870
How in the fuck are those small plot details? They are integral to what the hell is going on.
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>>100060203

Id say Rebuild 2.0 killed the old Asuka and Rei.

Which were brought back a bit with Rebuild 3.0
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>>100061641
Like I said, friend or foe, treatment is wrong all the same. They fucked up for no good reason.

>They probably would have eventually.
They don't need to explain it beyond saying it's a fucking trap and Rei is dead, and that's not the real Rei.
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>>100052085
I think we can all agree that the you cannot series are a utter pie e of shit except maybe 1.0 because that was actually the first few episodes of the anime but done in a delicious quality.
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>>100061679
Yeah the one released in theatres was English dub.

However, credits were still in moon and toji's nametag wasn't translated
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>>100061619
>>100061694
EVA was never about the Christian symbolism anyways, it was the characters and their interactions that mattered.
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>>100061685
Yo just realized this? Boys in animation in general are voiced by women
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>>100054329

>inb4 Angel Sanctuary
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>>100061702
They aren't. If you think so, I'll talk to you in about.... say 4-5 years, when they release a video game or guidebook that finally validates the movie you saw half a decade ago and then you can argue your point.

They are small plot details, they are merely flufff and don't mean shit.
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Let's the discuss the actual movie.

It's obvious that Shinji was sentenced to 14 years of imprisonment due to manslaughter of 90% of the human race. 3.0 makes a shit ton of references and allusions to other movies, Shinji's space prison box was copy and pasted from the french sci-fi film, Dante.
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>>100061694
3.0 is no spoonfeeding the movie

you'd think /a/ would have a massive hard-on for it considering how much it hates spoonfeeding
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>>100061764
What about that Dead Sea scrolls shit?
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>>100061685
Goku is voiced by a woman too.

>>100061729
lol
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>>100061772

It's overly fitting for Shinji, though, since he's such a little girl.
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>>100061832
All of that is window dressing to Shinji's development and growth.
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>>100061752
>1.0 Same story, same characters, same setting
>2.0 New story, but with same characters and setting
>3.0 Same characters in a new story and setting
4.0 will probably have a new cast and be about Shinji and Asuka's grandchildren
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>>100061729
Haha, get fucked retard.
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Maybe they intentionally made 3 shit already having written 4 in a way that ties everything up, so that everyone would then praise 4 as brilliant for saving the self-created shitpile.
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>>100061808
Room 101 was also in 1984.
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>>100061832

That's symbolism taken from the Torah, so it's more Jewish than Christian in actuality.
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>>100061729
2.0 worked fine for Rei but changed Asuka a lot.
On the contrary, 3.0 kills Rei entirely and brings Asuka into pointless-for-anyone-but-fans territory.

Which is a shame since they could have become so much more, especially Rei with two whole movies in backhand.

>>100061752
1.0 and 2.0 are passable, second better than the first. Being a remake isn't a good quality in itself.

>>100061808
This post is so stupid on both the suggest plot level and poster level it makes me hurt. Them referencing? Yes, it being good? Not at fucking at all
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>>100060683

She actually has a thing for him. Its pretty subtle at that point.


Tip most of the stuff we hear from her are not to be taken as they are.

Or the great wall of Jericho : Is actually famous for falling just through words
Episode name : Silence and Lies
Song name that plays during the kiss : Those Women Longed for the Touch of Other's Lips, and Thus Invited Their Kisses


Also when shes talking with Hikair its mostly about Shinji actually.
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>>100061908
>4.0 will probably have a new cast and be about Shinji and Asuka's grandchildren

I'd love it if Anno did something insane like this
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>>100061923
He knows, but don't reply to him.

He'll probably think that 2.0 referencing Star Trek (wow Gendo's spaceship is the enterprise), or Anderson works has any saying on the plot and the characters.
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>>100061816
Not when it's shit, obviously.
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>>100052085
Just got back from seeing it in a full theater. There was a LOT of laughing and generally it was laughter at the movie rather than with it. It was nice to see it on a big screen but the dubbing for this stuff is just awful.
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>>100062038
>>100061908
I like the one where they meet up with their past selves from EoE more.
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>>100061997
Subtle? It's the only thing the character has going for it.
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Once 4.0 comes out and all the pieces fall into place we will all look back at 3.0 with a sense of awe at how Anno rused us all. Just you wait.
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>>100062095
You're not the only one? I was told people laughed at the movie as well, but I wasn't sure if they were telling the truth.

I laughed too, but I downloaded it
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>>100062137
Keep dreaming faglord.
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>>100060758

Id say that its pretty great fucking soundtrack but I would probably like it more if the movie had a bigger impact on me.

Like EoE for example I can point the songs to the scenes and how they emotionally go along. Everything has its great part.


For Rebuild its just "really really fucking good" songs and the Ode an die Freude.
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>>100062038
He should just go all out and make Mari their child from another timeline or something bullshit. Not like the character has any relevance whatsoever.
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If you are really stupid enough that you didn't get this then fuck I'll just say it for you.

In Evangelion (the series) religion is positioned as an interpretation of the events that occurred because of the progenitor aliens who put the "seeds of life" on Earth, i.e. god literally = ancient aliens.

But if you really didn't get this then you understood pretty much nothing but the superficial aspects of the series and you would have dismissed much of end of evangelion (eg. the ceremony the new eva line undertake) as being totally random.
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>>100062137
Top lel

It's forever the disgrace it deserves to be called
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>>100062095
>and generally it was laughter at the movie rather than with it
Same here
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>>100062077
>has any saying on the plot and the characters.
>Implying it doesn't

I don't get how people like this can be so delusional. It's like you don't watch anything else apart from anime. It's fun to discuss in depth here and there, but when you start neglecting connections like that you really need to consider the way other people might take your idiotic statements.
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>>100062187
>>100062095
Yeah at my showing that happened too. Mostly at anything Kaworu did with Shinji
>lol so gay so funny
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>evafags get TOLD by NTs
>b-but muh 2deep4u
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>>100062236
Is this post supposed to be a troll?
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>>100062370
Everyone who isn't a fujoshit knows by now that 3.0 is shit.
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>>100062137
Anno did ruse everyone, but not in a good way. A good ruse in the sense of storytelling has you convinced that you were tricked, and you're actually impressed - instead of accepting that it just didn't live up to expectations.

The only way 3.0 can be a long-standing ruse, is if 4.0 is live action from Anno telling the audience that they are retarded for buying into 3.0 seriously without questioning the content.

>>100062236
Hard to tell if you're being serious or not, but most are aware about the background lore, but that's all that it is. Background lore. It doesn't help 3.0 much.
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>>100061289

Nothing will ever beat the old ending(s)
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>>100062221
>Ode an die Freude
>Misato ramming the entire AAA Wunder into Unit 13 with that shit playing in the background.

Absolutely based.
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>>100062187
Yeah absolutely there was. People seriously lost their shit when they're staring at the stars and Kaoru pulls the Jeff-Goldblum Jurassic Park pose. They laughed a lot at the duck-lipped girl on the ship and pretty much anything Gendo said, too.

I'm assuming virtually everyone there went in knowing the preceding material beforehand, I really don't know. It seems a bit dumb to make a review of something so dependent on other material from the perspective of watching it in complete isolation. I thought it was a bit shit regardless though.
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>>100062336
Tell me all about how Captain Kirk relates to Gendo and Fuyutsuki then.

It doesn't mean shit anon. References are references, at best thematically fitting because (SPESS SHIP IN STAR TREK = HAS REFERENCE TO SPESS SHIP IN NGE), or such as a prison reference where there is a prison...

It's fairly standard fare. It's cool to pick up on those, but it ends there.
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>>100062370
3.0 always had bad reception here. Since the damn camrip leaked and we realized how bad it really got.
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>>100062545
If this was in america, did everyone clap at the end?
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I want to be able to sum up the meaning behind Eva in a sentence.

What would I add to, 'It's about the difficulties of human interaction and existence as an individual'?
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>>100062519
Yeah, I don't think anything in anime will ever come close to the caliber that was EoE.
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>>100062626
Canada, and not really no. Almost everyone stuck around for the post-credits stuff so presumably everyone had a pretty decent idea of what they were getting into
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>>100062236
You are fucking retarded. Evangelion is a random bunch of shit spouting directly from Anno's ass and Rebuild and how shit it is supports this.
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>>100062370
>evafags
>b-but muh 2deep4u
You mean a few kaworufags stumbling in from tumblr. Then there's the shipper crowd who's happy some ships sink and some stay.

The rest, not so much.

/a/ isn't an EVA board, it's an anime board. Got to leddit or evageeks if you want 14-year olds saying EVA is deep, or 40-year old something losers obsessing about their pseudo-romance autism through Evangelion.
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>>100062641
I'd say it's more just about kids, violence, and sex in general.

I guess you could say that too.
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>>100061694

But didnt Anno say that himself that its random ? I also heard that multiple others from the staff confirmed that.

Anno likes word plays but I doubt there are is any deep symbolism maybe something shallow that just fits from the lock.
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>>100062641
Though people may often hurt each other, the times they choose not to make human interaction worthwhile.
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>>100062641
"It's about making mad dosh by mixing Kabbalah and Freud together".
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>>100062641
Pretty much.
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>>100062578
"Gendo and Fuyutsuki were modeled after Commander Ed Staker and Col. Alec Freeman from the TV series "UFO"."
-Yoshiyuki Sadamoto
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>>100062709
I was at the screening in southern ontario today.. People cracked up at kaoru being gay as well, and asuka claiming shinji is no longer an idiot but an asshole
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>>100062641
>Evangelion: A metaphor for the difficulties of hedgehog sex
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>>100052085
The problems with 3.0 are TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE ENTIRE NARRATIVE OF 3.0.

It's fine for a film to have problems. Nothing is perfect outside of like...I dunno name a 'perfect' anime.

What makes 3.0 have problems is that if the characters acted with intelligence, or just any sort of rational use, the movie would not exist. Why aren't we privvy to the lab results on Shinji? Why does no one communicate with each other? Why spend the first six minutes with Asuka saving Shinji, if Asuka does not get any more time on screen to communicate? Why have Shinji ignore Kaworu's advice and grab the spears, when arguably, Kaworu is his most developed relationship at this point?

There's a lot of moments the characters behaved like idiots, which is in contrast to the series, but not an improvement if we are supposed to care about any of them. Maybe we're not supposed to now. After all, one of the most straightforward/methodical characters (Kaiji) is removed entirely from 3.0.
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>>100062747
>But didnt Anno say that himself that its random ?

He's always a facetious ass in interviews but I don't doubt that he just chose random imagery to fit the general theme of religion. That doesn't change how it was used in the plot.

>I also heard that multiple others from the staff confirmed that.

What, on 4chan?
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>>100062733
Kids, violence, sex, classical music, giant robots, and the end of the world.
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>>100062645
Never watched be invoked huh...
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>>100062727
There are evafags who say that shit here(about NGE), but your certainly wouldn't find them in this thread or defending 3.0.
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>>100062852
And Freud rolls around in his grave a couple times for good measure
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fate zero has more meaning than this shit, hell urobuchi writes better..
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>>100061910
>>100061854

Compelling arguments

>>100061987

Yeah I agree somewhat. Reis change do come off more natural. There is simply not enough screentime for us for the new Asuka.

Yes Rei gets killed but the new one is again similar to Rei 3 no ? Starts indifferent but turns against Gendo
Asuka again has 0 relevant dialogue
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>>100062727

>dat denial

Every day i see the same bunch of fags analyzing every aspect of the show like a bunch of autistic fuckers. That number in that scene? 500 replies. This line of dialogue? 3 threads. "HEY YOU DIDNT GOT IT BECAUSE ITS COMPLEX AND YOU ARE (NOT) MATURE LIKE OURSELVES!"
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>>100062863
>be invoked
>good at all

/m/ please leave.
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>>100062829
Yeah that's honestly the worst part of the film. No one's actions MAKE ANY SENSE.

They're all stupid or do stupid things only for the sake for the plot, even though it makes no sense for them to act such outside of said plot. And all the while Gendo is twirling his evil mustache cause it's ALL ACCORDING TO PLAN.
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>>100062863
Be Invoked was pretty good, but I definitely prefer EoE. That and frankly the Evangelion TV series is much more watchable than Space Runaway Ideon, which you're basically watching only to see Be Invoked.
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>>100062892
You need bait to fish in these waters.
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>>100053977
But Rebellion was a good movie

The imagery was actually meaningful to the plot of the film itself
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>>100062924
Not similar to Rei 3 either. If you knew the whole story behind that you'd be more upset about it.
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>>100062940
Nah you didn't get it because you're retarded. Don't blame the people who do get it for that.
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>>100062892
>Fate
>Better than Evangelion

I hope you're not serious.
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I think my opinion is less biased because I haven't watched the original series or EoE, my only interaction with the EVA series has been through the rebuilds

I watched 3.0 twice because I didn't understand what the fuck was happening the first time. Having no prior knowledge actually (probably) helped me in paying attention more to the cinematography than the story. It was pretty uneven, but overall about the same quality as the previous ones. The brevity of everything was the most jarring, they seemed to rely on everyone already knowing what was going on so they didn't have to spend much time on any one area. It was like the movie was on fastforward the entire time.

When I watched it again after picking up on some story bits, it made more sense literally (easier to follow), but not realistically, because none of the content had been alluded to in the previous rebuilds. It seemed to be a movie made specifically for fans, but I could tell they'd probably hate it because everything was so rushed.

Ending song was great though. Bonus point right there.
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>>100052085
Anno's face when
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>>100063043
>my only interaction with the EVA series has been through the rebuilds

Stopped reading right there.

>I watched 3.0 twice because I didn't understand what the fuck was happening the first time.

Oh god, I read ahead a bit more. Make it stop.
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>>100062924
It's more natural because there isn't a change, that is Rei is killed and is off-screen as a ghost or something, so newRei is entirely new.
It's not comparable to NGE and Rei 3, since Rei 3 was a reincarnated Rei 2 that kept all her smarts but lost much of her progress. newRei is all new, and so where Rei is indestructible in NGE, she's a goner in Rebuild.

For the new Asuka there isn't far enough screentime either for the character to be anything more but a plot-device character.
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>there are actually real people on /a/ who watched evangelion who don't even know why Rei appears to Shinji at the start of the series and just say Anno randomly added it for no reason
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Pre cropped version because I can't into transparency, if some anon is better than me at it.
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>>100063043
>Watched Rebuild before watching NGE
>Hasn't seen EoE in general
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>>100063043
You're right, it is made specifically for fans, and then only a portion of the fans. Eva fans hate each other. So they want to destroy the content that other eva fans love... thus 3.0 was made.
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>>100061997

Additionally on the song :

Its identical with Fly me to moon just without the lyrics

Fly me to the moon
And let me play among the stars
Let me see what spring is like
On Jupiter and Mars

In other words, hold my hand
In other words, darling, kiss me

Similar to Asuka. She says one thing but means something different

>>100062130

Well if some people don't get it then its subtle. It wasn't for me.
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>>100063107
I'm not a sci-fi fan, shoot me
I bought it because the BDs were cheap, and not surprisingly, it is not in my top 10 animes ever
I've been on /a/ for 7 years
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>>100062839
>>100062747

The quote you guys are arguing about is one of the biggest misquotes used on this board, and objectively untrue to boot.

It's a convenient way for people who dislike Evangelion to dismiss an entire subplot of fully functioning symbolism so that the show fits their narrative of being edgy and "2deep4u". It doesn't look like there's a way to resolve this mindset, I've tried before with plenty of examples including screenshots and simplified explanations that even a grade schooler should be able to understand to no avail.

Idiots will continue to be idiots, leave it be.
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>>100063146
Because of what happens in the very end?

Fuck, I really have no excuse if I don't know that by now.
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>>100063031
Fate Zero is definitely better than Rebuild.
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Kaworu looked very beautiful in the movie as least.
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>>100063043
>It seemed to be a movie made specifically for fans, but I could tell they'd probably hate it because everything was so rushed.
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>>100062940
Evangelion is good enough to warrant that kind of attention. Imagine if Evangelion was a 100 times shittier than how shit you currently think that is, and apply that to Rebuild. Would it make sense for people to hump it's dick then?
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>>100063226
>fully functioning symbolism
stopped reading, my god.
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>>100063254
On par with 1.0 and 2.0, definitely better than 3.0.

It boils down to 4.0 actually. If 3.0 was a great setup to something then it will be redeemed.
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>>100063226
You know, you might call others idiots but please rethink your statements. A lot of things are symbols, plainly and clearly, but then there's another layer of elements which may be interpreted as a symbol.
Then again, a symbol might represent something or it might not. There's far too many layers here, far too much interpretation, and the truth is that when you add a symbol to a work of fiction
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>>100063043
All of the content which you say wasn't alluded in the previoud Rebuilds all stem from the original series. Everything from Ritsuko's attachment behavior to the explanation of what the Instrumentality project is, is all in NGE. Rebuild expects you to know EVERYTHING all ready, it doesn't have time to explain shit. You really fucked up bad by not watching the original series prior.
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>>100063256
Fuck you, Shinji.
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>>100062641

difficulties of human interaction
and existence as an individual

but still trying again after failures
Similar to Annos descriptions
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>>100063146
Because she was stuck in the timeline which explains why we see her in EoE?
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>>100063422
I'm going to quote NGE itself

"There is only one reality, but there as many truths as there are people".
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>>100063241
More or less yeah. There's a bit more fanwank to it than that, but yeah.
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Sup faggots, I'm enjoying all the money and tears 3.0 is giving me. Just so you know, I gave up on that shit halfway through because my buddy Miyazaki said "Come do this shit" to me and I focused on The Wind Rises instead of 3.0.

But who fucking cares, you still saw it and you'll still give me money so fuck off.
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>>100063459
Kaworu is just too based, he knows everything about him.
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>>100063226


Hm I would like to see what is so wrong about it if you can explain it.
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>>100063299
Wasn't the thing rushed? I mean, they threw out everything and remade it from scratch, right? That's why it was only 90 minutes.
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>>100062986
There is some truth in this. The tv series really did take long to pick up and even after that is was still a bit slow. Holy shit thought once the IDE started manifesting it got crazy.

As for eoe, I liked it a lot, it was really similar to be invoked except it took a much more abstract approach. Be invoked showed how some couldn't deal with the nihilism around them.

I completely understand about the tv series though.
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>>100063629
How should I know? Why are you saying this to me?
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>>100063422
woops, pressed submit
You know, you might call others idiots but please rethink your statements. A lot of things are symbols, plainly and clearly, but then there's another layer of elements which may be interpreted as a symbol.
Then again, a symbol might represent something or it might not. There's far too many layers here, far too much interpretation, and the truth is that when you add a symbol to a work of fiction, the readers will interpret it with the assumption that it was not only intentionally placed, but skillfully placed.

Because everything is not defined, most arguments about Evangelion's symbolism are just amateur deconstructions of Evangelion. It shouldn't matter what Anno has to say about his work after he's made it, so looking for answers there isn't necessary unless you want to perhaps answer whether or not the symbolism was intentionally placed or not.

A lot of the symbolism in Evangelion isn't fully functioning, and requires you to steal from two-three different sources of text to justify it's position. In the end the answer is that it's a mixture of tons of different sources and inspirations, rather than something concrete and direct.
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>>100063438
I knew that before watching it. I wasn't out of the loop, my cousin told me not to do it, but I didn't listen because I felt like if I "got it" without having watched the originals, then I'd consider it good.

And the rebuilds do explain a lot of shit, just not enough to have prepared me for 3.0.
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Gay piano Jesus.

Shinji beta faggot.
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I knew Rebuild had turned to shit the moment they gave Asuka an eyepatch.
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>http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-puella-magi-review-20131206,0,4860968.story

>The candy-colored crazy quilt of images that make up the Japanese anime "Madoka Magica" are like designer nightmares of cutesiness gone mad. Our heroines are magical schoolgirls, after all, who fight malevolent witches sowing despair, and struggle with their own built-in melancholy. After two feature films that essentially retold the original TV series, director Akiyuki Shimbou and writer Gen Urobuchi have unveiled an all-new Part 3, "Rebellion," that is by far the trippiest of the lot.

>Seeming to go backward at first, it reintroduces us to the girls as if the apocalyptic events of the last movie never happened, before zeroing in, "Matrix"-like, on transfer student Homura's uneasiness about her suspiciously familiar surroundings. You may feel like you need a mythology guidebook for all the existential talk of transformation, destiny, who's the enemy of who and whatever the Law of the Cycle is, as Homura and pink-haired colleague Madoka come to grips with their intertwined lives. The more generalized confessionals on friendship and love are a lot simpler to grasp.

>But the real star is the riot collage of twisty, breakneck visuals underscoring these conversations and battles: swirling ribbons, fabric-textured backgrounds, fantastical weaponry, demented childhood iconography and shape-shifting forms that create a highly tactile evocation of roiling emotions.

As a madofag this review is accurate, i dont know why evafags are so deep butthurt about the sad truth.
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>>100063629
It was more so, when the earthquake/tsunami hit Japan in 2011, it made Anno want to change the script/original set up of the movie. I think what I heard before is, the original script wasn't fitting for a post-tsunami Japan. At least to him, he wanted to use that environmental destruction in 3.0 as a message.

So I mean it could have been rushed, cause they then made the entire film in only 2 years, but originally 3.0 & 4.0 were to be shown together anyway, so 3.0 probably was never meant to be as long as the first 2 anyway.
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Hm. The review could have been a lot more harsh in my opinion, but at least it's something.
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>>100063744
Which is funny because the original stated goal of Rebuild was to be a more comprehensible retelling of Eva "for a new generation of fans".
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>>100063844
>I don't like eyepatches
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>>100063718
>How should I know?
Because I was hoping you weren't a bumbling retard
The film took 4 years, 4 fucking years
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>>100063809
>nobody
>explains
>anything
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>>100052211
It's regarded as the most embarassingly retarded and tryhard and also the best looking and most visually appalling and eyecandy. It's worth the money for the ticket if what you want is some boombastic action and good visuals. But yeah, it's the shittiest one
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>>100063864
The commenter seemed butthurt that the Reviewer didn't go into complete detail but I think the reviewer did that on purpose because you can't really talk about the plot cohesively without spoiling a good chunk of it.
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>>100052085
>dog in space
But it's a cat.
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>>100063744
>I felt like if I "got it" without having watched the originals, then I'd consider it good..

Well, sounded like a fun little experiment. I personally wish I could have seen 3.33 right after I first saw episode 24. I think it would have enhanced how I would receive the series in general. I know it might sounded retarded to others..
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>>100052123

Episode 1 is my favourite star wars movie... yes despite jar jar. I still think the lightsaber fight at the end was the best in any SW movie... and the gungan battle against the bots was cool as well.
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>>100063864

>Implying most evafags don't hate 3.0
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Why Kauguu?
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Even though 3.0 might be crap in making any logical sense or as a narrative, I really enjoy watching it.

I've rewatched it more than any of the other Rebuild films. So I guess that's something.
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>>100056646
Now you know what kind of mongoloid this movie was made for.
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>>100063864
>evafags are butthurt
Only the fujoshi few are upset about people trashing a shit film.
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>>100064228
Maybe you're just retarded. Just maybe.
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>>100063989

It must be some weeb, Madoka plot is about friendship. An asspie would say "its about the interactions between individuals in a situation where humanity (...)"
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>>100063988
>best looking and most visually appalling and eyecandy.

I'm fucking sick and tired of hearing everyone agree that 3.0 had great visuals and music. Yes, it's true and the fucking plot could have also been just as good. Know what am getting at? Anno needs to get fired. I'm dead serious.
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>>100064193
Kauguu = Rebuild
Carl = Manga
Kaworu = NGE
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>>100064122
Who cares what Evafags think? You guys are never happy.
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>>100064265
Why because I can find enjoyment in it, in spite of it's flaws?

I love the Asuka space battle, and Wille's take off. The Kaworu scenes set a nice tone. And the final battle is fun to watch too.
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>>100064314
You know when people talk about someone retarded, but then say "oh he and/or she has such a nice temper!" ?

/a/ isn't as biased as you might think, it hates 3.0 but it also feels a need to bring up at least some positive sides of it.
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>>100064235
>mongoloid
That's a big word for such a stupid anon.
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check'em
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>>100064193
Because Kaworu made an uguu face right before he died. His jaw was crushed upward due to the initial pressure coming from the explosion of the choker. Shit looked painful.
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FUCK, still haven't seen 3.0, wanted to rewatch the series and then go for it, what should I do /a/
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>>100064404
THIS

Rebuild is FUN and it gets right up deepfags asses and says lol no fuck you we're gonna have FUN

THIS was Annos VISION for rebuild. To say FUCK YOU to all the deepfags who tried to shit out a coherent framework for evangelion and affirm that its really just what it is. Rebuild is his MASTERPIECE.
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>>100064375

Nobody is happyy here.
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>>100064314
>of hearing everyone agree that 3.0 had great visuals and music
I only see one guys samefagging about that.
I agree it had good music, but it's only good. The film doesn't lend to the tracks well or measure up to them.
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>>100063603
>Wind Rises
soon
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>>100064228
>Even though 3.0 might be crap in making any logical sense or as a narrative
That's Eva in general. Most of the appeal of the franchise is people looking into the underlying "depth" in it when it's not even there also teh characters with "MUH ISSUES" which are never really developed. Rebuild removes all that pretense which upsets Evafags because it's not DEEP anymore.
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>>100064404
Most of the blind hate is coming from anti evafags in general. Ignore them, we all know the movie had it's moments.
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>>100064545
I am happy.
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Kaji and PenPen are still alive, right?
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>>100064375
Yeah that's true.
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>>100064543
>To say FUCK YOU to all the deepfags who tried to shit out a coherent framework for evangelion and affirm that its really just what it is.
The people who like it, like it because it follows that framework exactly. The shipping framework.
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Kaworu>Carl>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kawuguu
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>>100064435
/a/ isn't one person retard. There's both sides of who hate and appreciate the film.
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>>100064537
Do it. If you're a real fan it will be worth it.

I did the same and it all made sense that way
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>>100064574
>That's Eva in general.
Nope, NGE makes good sense as a narrative. It's even really straight-forward, the original. The only thing people get confused about is the scope of it all.
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>>100064554
>I agree it had good music, but it's only good.

Oh stop it. You're trying way to hard to push away any merit 3.0 had simply because you despise the series in general. Shiro Sagisu is a god.
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>>100064673
Why are you measuring 3 degrees of shit?
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>y-you guys just don't like it because it's not 2deep4u

It's talking to brick walls.
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>>100064673
Shit > Karl > Kaworu>Kawuguu
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How many times would you say you've jerked off to Asuka?
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>>100064812

*It's like
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>>100064574
Evangelion had like what.... 24 episodes before shit goes crazy?

>>100064705
Most of the people on /a/ hate it, and my point is that even those that hate it at least have the courtesy of patting it a little on the back for trying. Inbetween beatings, of course.
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>>100064857
Too many to count.
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>>100064857
~450.
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I think we'd all be happy if we just let ourselves enjoy 3.0. We've been bitching about it since like December of 2012.

It's just the same cycle of bitching and moaning. I want to enjoy discussion Eva again.
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>>100064773
The soundtrack is used in a lackluster film so it's not memorable or anything above just "good" for me.
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>>100064959
Then kill Anno. It's the only way.
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>>100064574
> which are never really developed.

Are you serious, that's one of the biggest things the show does develop
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>>100062829
>Seriously asking why does no one communicate well with each other in Eva

Well fuck you can apply the same logic to the TV series. If someone bothered to fuck Shinji none of the events would have transpired.
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>>100064890
Shit started going down around episode 14. Until then, it was just a generic 90's mecha anime with cool atmosphere.

Strange how it only took a 2nd half to reach unrivaled popularity status.
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>>100062829
>Why are people not acting the way I wanted to!

Wasn't that the entire appeal in Eva was that the characters were flawed and didn't adhere to logic like normal human beings should?
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>>100064959
Eva discussion can be good when it's not about 3.0. What do you expect from a thread that starts with a review bashing the film but an echo of agreement and shitflinging?

>>100064857
Too many times to count.
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>>100064959
You can't just enjoy something reprehensible.

"oh yeah, let's just start enjoying killing people or robbing them, that makes everything FUN again"

The fun times are over. You could get good discussion before 3.0 because people actually believed Rebuild was heading in a direction which tried it's best to make for a serious retelling of the original, instead you got kawoshin and Anno assassinating the characters he doesn't like or glorifying the ones he does.
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>>100064751
>NGE makes good sense as a narrative.
Thanks for the laugh
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>"It's different so it's shit"
Every 3.0 thread.
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>>100064959
>I want to enjoy discussion Eva again.

Just until 4.0 comes out.
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>>100065192
It's shit so it's shit.
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>>100065097

NGE character did act logical according to their depression and mental issues.

Rebuild characters act logical according to how the plot needs them to act to show off more giant cat evas.
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>>100064751
As a narrative NGE is a complete fucking mess and can only be used as a creator's breakdown over the course of the series in vain of cerebus the aardvark. Why do you think Evafags fanwank all the goddamn time?
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>>100065088
>Shit started going down around episode 14
No, it took a darker tone. That's not "shit going down", it's shit becoming more serious and in contrary to 3.0, actually becoming more fleshed out. Episode 14 is where SEELE narrates the events and sets/implies their goals, and it's even where Rei has the famous monologue of hers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL76xj0edHs

They spend a lot, and I mean a lot of time on individual characters and the setting from thereon. It's not just LOL TIMESKIP xDDDD DARKNESS buy kawoshin DARKNESSS rei a doll DARKNESSS asuka is fukken awesome DARKNESSSS end ooh nice song
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>>100065192
>"It's shit, but it has cool music"

Every 3.0 thread.
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>>100065015
It doesn't. At all.
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>>100060683
I'm stupider. I got another question.

Both of her parents killed themselves before she got to Japan, right?
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>>100065177
Sup autist-kun
tired of defending 3.0 yet?
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>>100065223
What was the reason they dropped the sword from Unit 01 in planning stages? It seems like it would've made more sense in universe than a tiny little box cutter knife. Was it just too stereotypical mecha for Anno's taste?
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>>100063043

No. Most of the stuff in Rebuild that makes you confused is new stuff that old fans don't know either.


The other elements from the old NGE that leave you questioning were either explained in the movie or left open at that point too.

Impacts ?
What is so special about the lance ?
What is instrumentality ?
What is Gendos plan ?
Reis secret ?

But it wasn't that much so not everything felt confusing. You just had a couple of open questions. If you combine both then it starts to get too much.
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>>100065300
>NGE character did act logical according to their depression and mental issues.
Bullshit. As someone who actually studies that field none of the characters in EVA act logically whatsoever
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>>100065304
>As a narrative NGE is a complete fucking mess
No, it's pretty simple. And straightforward. What did you not understand? Did you just watch it when you were a kid?

>and can only be used as a creator's breakdown over the course of the series in vain of cerebus the aardvark.
That's just a shitty rumour. Anno was already over his depression when he started.

>Why do you think Evafags fanwank all the goddamn time?
What fanwank are you referring to? What have you seen people in NGE TV series threads fanwank up?
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>>100065386
Her dad is still alive.
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>>100065300
>NGE character did act logical according to their depression and mental issues.
I really have to ask myself that the people who state this have any idea what they're talking about.
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>>100065177
oh go away, nobody likes you.

>>100065304
How is it a mess? It's fully linear except some flashbacks, and that's fairly normal. It's not messy, is it? The narrative isn't something special but a staple of anime. There is nothing abnormal here, no timeskips, no blurred lines, everything that doesn't happen clearly does not happen because the character is contextually placed inside a god-machine hallucinating, dreaming or any other excuse.
There's nothing that remarkable here, it's good.

Whether or not Evafags fanwank has nothing to do with it.
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>>100065097
>Wasn't that the entire appeal in Eva was that the characters were flawed

Yes but the flaws where explored and explained and wasn't just them acting retarded for twenty minutes each episode, they explore their characters through character interaction, thoughts, and looking into their past.

>and didn't adhere to logic like normal human beings should?

Their flaws are what made them human.
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>>100064625
Do you remember the generals?People started hating 3.0 as soon they knew there is a timeskip.
Camrip was even out and there were always a thread saying 3.0 was a disgrace.
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>>100065404
>Sup autist-kun
Who?
>>100065501
>No, it's pretty simple
Actually it's not
>That's just a shitty rumour.
>Precedes to state yet another shitty rumor
Okay
>What fanwank are you referring to? What have you seen people in NGE TV series threads fanwank up?
So you're just new? Gotcha
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>>100065641
oh autist-kun you're so adorable
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>>100065515

When did a character act illogical?
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>>100065513
>>100065386
From what little bit we know, he might as well be dead though. Asuka never talks about her father, and given how quickly he took a mistress while his wife was in the hospital, and how he basically says she's obligated to take care of Asuka if she wants to keep screwing him, I can't imagine him being a pleasant man.
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>>100065501
>That's just a shitty rumour. Anno was already over his depression when he started.
I still have no idea why people still spout this garbage. There's also an anon stating that peopled liked the ending to the TV series.
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>>100065445
Anno recommends: Study harder.
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>>100065641
autist-kun is a /m/-dwelling shitposter that defends 3.0 with short and often non-sentence one-liners and repeated use of the same words.

The routine is extremely recognizable and you should go to bed.
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>>100065515
You have to understand that a lot of people here have not seen Evangelion in years so their overall perception is still warped from the first time they watch it. Rewatching the TV series made me realize how goofy and shitty the writing and character actions are.
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>>100065641

The plot is simple. What confused you? What part did you not understand? I asked you this already.

And again, what fanwank of the TV series do you see on /a/? This isn't the 90s anymore, there aren't any geocities pages talking about how Shinji is Jesus.
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>>100065593
>Do you remember the generals?

Yes, an endless cycle of 555+ posts of shitposting, shipping and Photoshopping Eva characters onto other unrelated photos, holy shit. Where did all those people go? Do they still browse /a/? It all stopped once Eva generals started to be banned. It was that fucking bad.
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>that guy who calls NGE shit to justify 3.0
I don't know how you haven't gone insane from doing this for months.
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>>100065445
Failing your classes then? The only thing people complain about in NGE is that "wow these people are terrible", not that they are unbelievable or fucking wrong. It's Shinji that sucks, not that he wouldn't act like that.
NGE's characters were great and far beyond the anime standard.
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>>100052211
It's wretched, the story is dependent on all of the characters being complete morons, the characters we once knew and loved are cardboard parodies, Rei is now what people who don't like Rei think Rei is, Asuka has no vulnerabilites or superiority complex now that she is bland tough chick, Selee, a once enigmatic and threatening enemy are now a group of retarded subordinates at the beck and call of Gendo, the story is weak because it hold no weight, because nothing is at stake because we don't know what's going on. And to top all of that it's really boring.
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>>100065712
Yeah he's still alive but she hates him. Sorta like someone else in the series...
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>>100065721
It's shit they get form Evageeks where a poster translated old Animedia articles of the last tow episodes winning reading polls. Forgetting that Animedia is almost as bias as Newtype.
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>>100065721

Lots of people did like the ending.

Another shit rumour is "EOE was made because of all the death threats anno got for the shit ending, so he made it as a Fuck You to the otakus because he hates anime!" and other similar garbage.
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-08-28/interview-with-hideaki-anno-translated-this-is-not-a-real-link

>I asked Anno-san about his high school days, and specifically how he did in his literature class. He recounts his high school days and how he often got into arguments with his literature teacher. When asked to write an essay one day, Anno purposefully wrote a terrible essay filled with grammar errors and with kanji specifically being written improperly as to give the appearance of illiteracy. This was supposed to be a commentary on how terrible the average high school essay was and how intellectual pursuits are being abandoned in modern society in favor of more superficial needs.
>Despite Anno's desperate cries of "B-but it was shit on purpose, it's social commentary", his teacher still gave him a failing grade.
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>>100065641
[Citation needed]
thanks for the laugh
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>>100065501
He was in still in therapy for it. Ironically, he was most depressed during the beginning, when all the darkness is brooding just underneath the surface. Evangelion's sudden turn towards depressing insanity came as Anno was doing his best to let go of the sadness and other feelings that had contributed to his depression.
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>>100065887
>NGE's characters were great and far beyond the anime standard.
Keep telling yourself that faggot
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>>100065837

But I rewatched it last month and thought it was great. Who's right?
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>>100064625
3.0 had lots of hate since the generals and camrip. The tumblr infestation the movie and generals brought in didn't make matters any better.

>>100065846
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>>100065406
Honestly, I think a knife that size is useful for more things. Remember when Asuka used hers to climb up that building in episode 15 or so? Were that the only issue, I suppose it could have had both, but it would probably be fuckoff expensive to produce a giant sword with the same offensive capabilities of the prog knife. Then again, the entire project already is, so I guess they really did think it would have been stupid. But what about that fucking battle-axe Asuka had in the episode I mentioned? Did they not think that was?

To be honest, I really don't know.
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>>100065846
yes, we're still here
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>>100066025
You're talking out of your ass
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>>100065963
>this-is-not-a-real-link

>>100066025
What is this post for? "No you're wrong, faggot". You're just shitposting.
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>>100066025
It's true. Anti Evafags please leave. You are all just mad because your favorite anime series will never be as popular and praised as Evangelion.
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>>100065846
They all died, except for a few select retards like the namefags. Destrado-kun and ReiHeart committed suicide and were never heard from again.

>>100066025
[Autism]
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>>100065887
>NGE's characters were great and far beyond the anime standard.
So this is how deluded Evafags are?
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>>100066063
I mean having a sword doesn't preclude having a knife. Just seems like melee weapons were always way more effective than the pallet rifles or any of the other conventional arms they had. Except for Unit 02s pylon spikes.
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At least it looked nice.
Mari a shit, why was she added in?
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>>100066025
Oh boy, prepare for a thread filled with the same repeated words over and over again.

it's actually as if it was a bot triggered by "3.0" and "bad" in the same sentence
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>>100059252
Not as isn't to point out the hatebase in this thread which is just as bad as Prometheus

The same old tired WHY ARE THE CHARACTERS IN THIS FILM SO STUPID WHY AREN'T THEY ACTING THE WAY I WANT TO TO ACT WHERE IS REI? SHE SHOULD HAVE MORE SCREENTIME.
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>>100066421
Go back to /tv/. This isn't Prometheus.
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Not sure what's more pathetic. People agreeing with a review from the L.A. Times are the autistic Evafags in general.
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>people actually confused by Evangelion
>it's all random! it makes no sense! what did that last episode mean, explained nothing! Where are the angels! Fucking Shinji pussy emo faggot! wtf did I just watch! Anno was just high and made everything up!

Reminds me of the people who thought Inception was "crazy mindbending and so complex!"
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>>100066421
There's a difference between pointing out flaws like that, since everyone can tell them just by watching it.
Prometheus is a different movie, and unlike 3.0 you don't get people saying Ridley Scott "trole xD"'d the audience.

Also Prometheus shits all over 3.0
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>>100064543
For some reasons idiots actually believe that bastardizing things can be considered an improvement.
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>>100066574
>Prometheus is a different movie, and unlike 3.0 you don't get people saying Ridley Scott "trole xD"'d the audience.
You have not been to /tv/ apparently
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>>100065537
There are many plot threads in the anime that get dropped or ignored entirely, it's really obvious it was made up as they went along
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>>100066694
...uh, I guess I haven't, but the criticism I've seen did not include any account of trolling.
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How many 3.0/Rebuild threads do we need to have to just agree to never do this again
It always turns out like this, always, all the time
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>>100066574
>Prometheus is a different movie, and unlike 3.0 you don't get people saying Ridley Scott "trole xD"'d the audience.
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>>100066698
Dropped/Ignored plot threads != messy narrative

Go find a dictionary
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>>100066736
>but the criticism I've seen did not include any account of trolling.
Neither does 3.0 for a matter of fact if you leave /a/.
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>>100066647
Pretty sure it's a joke post.

>>100066557
Easy to agree when it coincides with what people have been saying forever.
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>>100066698
It's not actually normal for subplots or things to be dropped in a movie or even book. Some times you don't get to know anything about a fair deal of the setting and it's characters.

But that has nothing to do with narrative. Evangelion's sense of mystery is it's strength, in 3.0 we're no longer dealing with mystery but just lack of content and substance. It's a mystery how anything happened at all.
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>>100066694
>>100066769

Not Ridley Scott, the Lost writer guy
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"No evafaggots fanwank delusional lol"

I mean I am all open for discussion but nobody is gonna take you serious that way. At least add TWO lines of text that explain your point. Maybe even add some examples

You know like an actual argument
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>>100066804
>Dropped/Ignored plot threads != messy narrative
Oh look another retard.
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So what doujin was it that apparently was canon?
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>>100066848
Nope. Go to any other spot that watched Evangelion, or the anime community that knows a bit about Anno, and you'll find that they do.
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>>100066858
So you're just a tool basically.
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>>100066848
Got to evageeks, tumblr or fucking reddit then. They're all jumping to that conclusion before anything else.

In fact, people were even expecting to be trolled. Not the same for Prometheus or Ridley Scott movies.
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>>100066958
Most Eva 3.0 reviews don't even mention the rolling whereas most EoE reviews is nothing but him trolling fans
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>>100066917
You're dealing with an autist. The sane thing is to not reply.
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>>100067017
>Got to evageeks, tumblr or fucking reddit then. They're all jumping to that conclusion before anything else.
Awesome lie bro
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>>100066917
Maybe you're new but /a/ is plagued by a severely autistic poster that stalks rebuild threads to defend it by saying Evangelion is shit, or going LOL REIFAGS, and generally does nothing to back up anything he says.

You can (not) reply
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>>100067017
>Got to evageeks, tumblr or fucking reddit then. They're all jumping to that conclusion before anything else.
How does it feel to blatantly lie like that
>Not the same for Prometheus or Ridley Scott movies.
You're just making it worst for yourself.
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>>100067040
Poor sample size; and you're dealing with reviews made years and years after where "lol eoe was trole" has become fan legend.

Also you're proven wrong since they do in fact mention trolling.
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>>100066992
No, but I guess you're feeling helpless and upset the film is never going to stop being bashed. Take some time off the internet anon.
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>>100067017
>evageeks

If discussion stagnates a little on a general anime imageboard, how dead would it be on an entire dedicated site?
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>>100067103
>>100067160
>01:10:55
>01:11:55

lel, autism
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>>100066917
Pretty sure the guy has an actual disability, just ignore him.
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>>100066917
"NGE's characters were great and far beyond the anime standard."

And you expect people to take you seriously? You're a fucking joke
>>100067288
>>100067147
>>100067077
I'm guessing this is the new boogeyman for Eva threads.
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I wish we could turn back time to before 3.0 came out. It attracted all the types of wrong crowds.
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>>100067231
>No, but I guess you're feeling helpless and upset the film is never going to stop being bashed
This is the internet kid. Everything gets bashed. The fact that you hang on to a bad review because it disses a film you hate makes you a tool basically. Sorry if that upsets you.
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Why do people do the whole "EOE is just a troll!"
with tv end too.
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>>100067103
>>100067160
Well at least you aren't replying to yourself anymore. Ever considered getting professional help?
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>>100067407
But now the guilt is all yours.
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>>100067225
>and you're dealing with reviews made years and years after where "lol eoe was trole" has become fan legend.

Actually I was reffering to all the recent reviews.
>Also you're proven wrong since they do in fact mention trolling.
Actually they don't but you can continue parading on this farce.
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>>100067350
The boogeyman is real, and he has autism
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>>100067447
This guy is pretty pathetic if he believes everyone who doesn't agree with his opinion is autist-kun.
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>>100067147
>>100067338

k

Well how about we talk about something interesting from Rebuild then

Asukas line : "go to the place where the Lilin are"

Why does she describe them as Lilin ? Does it imply shes not all human anymore ?

Maybe got contaminated too much ? Is that the Eva curse ? Are all the pilots like that ?


Or why is Shinjis synch rate with Unit 01 0% ? I mean it did randomly activate earlier.
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>>100067436
I thought they just ran out of budget really bad
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>>100067467
Well, you got a chuckle out of me.
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Just wait for 5.55
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>>100067436

People get angry at things that confuse them.
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>>100052085
Yep. Good review, movie was bad bad bad.
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>>100064772

Talking about Kaworu, not Rei.
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>>100067240
You'd want to avoid evageeks.
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>>100067559
Look at how hard you're trying. Just give up man.
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>>100064927

I lost count.
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>>100067579

I'm waiting for the baseball manga crossover with ttgl.
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>>100067420
>The fact that you hang on to a bad review because it disses a film you hate makes you a tool basically.
I'm pretty damn sure if the review was positive they would be calling fowl too. They don't care as long as people hate the film like they do.
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>>100067664

That's just 2 people and it was a year ago
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>>100067559
Why are you asking questions you don't need an answer for, and the answers are already there for you? It doesn't mean much to the continuation how these are answered.

>>100067620
kaworufag pls
don't fall for obvious b8
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>>100067420
You do realize no one is even discussing the content of the review, right? This is how the consensus has always been here. If you want to talk about the review, do that. How about you actually address what about the review makes you so very miffed? It's seems you've been living in some dreamland where 3.0 has not always been bashed here. I don't know what you expected from the thread.
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>>100067727
>implying it's only those 2
>implying anything ever change over there
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>>100064673
Kaworu >>> Karl = Kawuguu

Step it up, son.
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just saw it, pretty bad. however i take the whole thing as a 4 ep oav so it's not a big deal. if 4 is good one bad episode doesn't ruin the series too much
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>>100067420
The only one the review matters to, seems to be you. /a/ or anyone sane doesn't need a review to validate their beliefs, if they can't do that themselves then fuck their beliefs.
You're the only tool for getting butthurt about a review, which by the way was much nicer than it should have been
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>>100067620
Yeah, that's why I asked why you're comparing 3 shitty characters, man.
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>>100067768
What consensus? There always not one given that there are people who disagree with the review and don't think the film is bad. inb4 vocal majority with no actual proof.
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>>100067620
Rei is better than Kaworu will ever be. Doesn't mean Kaworu is shit however. Still not very good, and he's cancer in his current form.
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>>100067664
To be honest, you'd find all sorts of opinions the first 2 weeks or so on /a/.
Remember when the audio for the timeskip was confirmed? And everyone went absolutely apeshit in the sticky? Good times.
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>>100067836
>/a/ or anyone sane doesn't need a review to validate their belief
According to this thread the 3.0 hatebase obviously does.
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>2014
>Not being an Evafag in general

Step it up, the ride is just getting started.
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>>100067768
The review mostly mirror's /a/'s thoughts. Nice visuals, nice music, everything else was bad even for hardcore disciple of EVA. For newcomers it's also crap.

But people can enjoy nice visuals and nice music alone, and pretend that the rest was good.
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>>100067922
Not at all. This is how it's always been here.
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>>100067873
This.
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I don't really know what this thread is about anymore.
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>>100067852
>>100067873

>edgy loli who gets choked for being edgy
>dry paint personality who dies when she's starting to get one
>ohsodeep robot who wonders why she cries
>better than anyone

Just because you jerk off to little girls doesn't make her character good.
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>>100067909
>the sticky
Those were retarded as fuck for the 200 first threads. Mostly LASfags in charge of utter retardation.
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>>100067993
It's like you want to change history
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>>100052085
Glad to see the movie got a bad review. Evangelion, was the first series i watched that wasn't on Toonami and I loved it, but at this point I just want the series and all the spinoffs to just die.
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>>100067922
Why? /a/ has been preaching that shit before they even thought of the LA Times reviewing it. If anything, the reviewer could have copy-pasted the shit from /a/. It's not needed. /a/ was bashing it first.

>>100068014
At least Rei has a character even it's like drying paint.
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>>100067757
>>100067671

I was just curious.


They could become relevant later on. Something happened with either Shinjis or Unit01 soul. Maybe sth to do with Reis soul ?

Not sure what relevancy the changed pilots can have though.


Just thought of the possibility that someone here had a different theory that could have been relevant or interesting.
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>>100068005
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>>100067984
>>100068081
>Still thinking /a/ is one person
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>>100068014
b8

Rei's character is fine man. It's actually great on it's own.
Rebuild Rei however is a disgrace, and I'm with you there.
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>>100067981
The ride ended back when EoE came out.

The Rebuild movies are just like those blunts you and your friends light up to mellow out the hangover after a long night of partying.
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>>100068081

Keep telling yourself that. Yui has more a personality and she's a plot device. I guess the original is always superior to the copy.

I've never understood why people are fascinated with such shit character in a show with Asuka, Ritsuko or Misato.
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>>100068081
>Reifags has been preaching that shit before they even thought of the LA Times reviewing it.

FTFY
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>>100068118
We're at the point where the journey is pretty much over. The ending of the journey, the destination, isn't as interesting. Who cares how it ends, as long as it ends some way?
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>>100068014
>fujoshi getting angry about how shitty and shallow their husbando is
Thread getting good
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>>100068080
Good lord there are faggots like these who exist
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>>100068171
Less is more.
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>>100068171
b8
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>new friend Kaworu

Is that how they spell buttbuddy
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>>100068248
Yes they are the same type if faggots who visit rotten tomatoes frequently
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How long are you going to pretend to be a Kaworufag?
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>>100068171
Why are you trying to lure Reifags into posting a serious reply to you?

You're just mad. Get over it.
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C'mon guys, at the core, we're all just Evafags.
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>>100068171
>519 posts
It's a little late to start shit up, anon.
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>>100068191
>everyfag but kaworufags has been preaching that shit before they even thought of the LA Times reviewing it.

Fixed for you.
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>>100068378
>at the core
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>>100068378
Fuck off
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>>100068219

We still got one movie


The ending of Evangelion was pretty interesting the last time
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>>100068335
>implying this butthurt is anything but a fujoshit
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>>100068171
yeah OGM Rei is such a stupid SLUTT rite guze?? XDDD

Trolls these days man. Butthurt Kaworufags can't see the irony in them accusing a character of being shallow, they can't even do anything but slander instead of argue. Typical women or herbivore males
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>>100068447
>mfw I'm a Misatofag and enjoy this movie
>mfw Reifags are still asspained and think their frustrations are everyone's
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>>100068171
Oh come on, you know that's false, but your posted it anyway.

Why do you feel the need to go so far to get a few measly replies because /a/ and the LA Times criticized the movie, on rather fair grounds?

If you want to not hear it, just don't be here, go to /cm/, tumblr or other places. Make your own "3.0 fan site", and only accept those who agree with you.

>>100068541
It was interesting and important because NGE was interesting and good.
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http://variety.com/2007/film/reviews/evangelion-1-0-you-are-not-alone-1200555329/
http://variety.com/2009/film/reviews/evangelion-2-0-you-can-not-advance-1200477447/
http://variety.com/2014/film/reviews/film-review-evangelion-3-0-you-can-not-redo-1201043771/
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>>100068541
Yeah, but 4.0 isn't as desirable since Rebuild after 3.0 makes even more boring and shallow stuff out of half-finished characters from 2.0/1.0. If 3.0 had put some effort into things, maybe we could have gotten somewhere.
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>>100068685
>Starting life as the 1995 TV series “Neon Genesis Evangelion,” the story was wrapped up the first time around in the 1997 feature “Neon Genesis Evangelion: The End of Evangelion.” Following generally negative fan feedback to that film, creator Hideaki Anno is now retelling the whole saga with significant plot expansion and the promise of a retooled conclusion. Two further chapters are planned.
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>>100068685
Doesn't seem negative at all. Can be applied to most of Eva really.
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>>100068589
>mfw you're a butthurt kaworufag who thinks they're fooling anyone
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>>100068737
>but 4.0 isn't as desirable since Rebuild after 3.0 makes even more boring and shallow stuff out of half-finished characters from 2.0/1.0.
In your retarded opinion.
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>>100068789
>Following generally negative fan feedback to that film
>negative feedback
>to that film

Fucking piece of shit nigger. Yes, I'm mad.
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>>100068685
>The latest chapter in Japan's long-running anime series is long on visual ingenuity, short on coherent storytelling.
oh wow, it's like it's some kind of.... common point sensible people can agree on

>a disorienting mess.”
yep
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>>100068938

They also called EoE shit.
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>>100068938
Hey look another tool.
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>>100068834
These reviews aren't supposed to be negative, but 3.33 gets flak for being short of a story and plot in both reviews.
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>>100068938
You do realize they said the same thing about EoE right?
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>>100069020
No he didn't.
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Looks better already than their 2.0 review.

Funny how Rebuild shiteaters (specially of the fans of the weak and cancerous Rei Pokanami) don't realize they think the movies are crap: "The films are for hard-core fans only, with minimal exposition or character development." It's plural and a consensus they had. At least this time they praised the graphics.

They are also right. All Rebuilds are shit.
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>>100069108
>>100069020
Where do you get that from?
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>>100069147
Yes he did. Re-read the review
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>>100069214
They praised 2.0 for the graphics as well, and didn't criticize it. Nice try.
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>>100069244

2.0 review.
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>>100069214
Yeah, stupid Reifags right? Writing bad reviews and making criticism. So unfair to us "REAL" evafags.

You're cancer. Admit it.
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>>100068617
>>100068737


I still have hope.
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>>100069252
>>100069310
Where? They said EoE got negative fan feedback.

That's not the same as calling NGE shit, in fact he's not even making a statement.
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>>100069300
>Trying to comprehend the jargon-rife storylines and high-minded philosophical talk is a demanding task when the pace is so unforgiving, which suggests that this new concentrated "Evangelion" might best be appreciated by those who remember the psychological nuances of the small-screen version.
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>>100069369
>I can't read and all I did was focus on the bad things he said about 3.0
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>>100069214
I'd give their 2.0 review a better score, since it's positive but doesn't drop the bomb of calling it pretentious or so convoluted that even the fans won't get it.

>>100069310
>>100069252
Not sure if I missed it, but I read both and I don't think they did that.

They compare the ending (25&26) to LOST's finale, which is fair, and bring out EoE as the intended "reparation". Then they say that film got negative fan feedback too.

Is there something I'm missing? Because unless I am, it looks to me they're just giving background.
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>>100069473
Citations then. Faggot.
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>>100069401
Calling it a demanding task isn't very criticizing, and he's right too.
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>>100069512
>They compare the ending (25&26) to LOST's finale, which is fair, and bring out EoE as the intended "reparation".
How are these positive?
>>100069587
Actual it is.
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>>100069401
That's not criticism, plus he's not lying - the jargon used IS best understood by fans of the original, since back then said jargon didn't become understood until later.

Compare with their 3.0 interview, where the reviewer says that
>This description makes "Evangelion 3.0" sound much more coherent than it actually is. The films are for hard-core fans only, with minimal exposition or character development. The convoluted plot will make any neophyte more confused than a dog in space. Desiccated by its pretensions, it's freeze-dried melodrama

Suggesting that not even hardcore-super fans will get much out f it.
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>>100052085
3.0 status:

#REKT

Did they show the BD version or the Theatre version?
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>>100069512
The LOST finale was universally panned
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>>100069621
...you don't have reading comprehension?

25&26 is not EoE.
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>>100069628
>The films are for hard-core fans only, with minimal exposition or character development

You'll notice the plural usage.
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>>100069621
You'll find that EoE is not episodes 25&26, and -
oh wait. You're the autist.

Thanks for baiting me, faggot
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>>100069628
He's talking about the variety review not the LA Times review retard
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Please, don't make another 3.33 thread.
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>>100069713
The plural doesn't matter, it's a 3.0 review and it's 3.0 that makes it true.
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>>100069713
He says films, but he isn't wrong either. Due to 3.0, which is what he's reviewing, he's right. It is for hardcore fans only.
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>>100069718
>>100069694
>no argument
>>100069628
>>100069512
>ALL DIS APOLOGIST TEARS
>>100069773
Actually it those matter since that's a criticism for ALL THE FILMS not just 3.0 and it's not true you're just following what he says because he didn't give the film a glowing review
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>>100069844
Autist, please.
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>>100069814
>Due to 3.0, which is what he's reviewing, he's right. It is for hardcore fans only.
He's saying all the films are for hardcore fans only numbnuts
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>>100069921
He's right, but 3.0 is far worse. Which he also points out by criticizing it worse than the previous ones.
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>>100069975
>He's right, but 3.0 is far worse. Which he also points out by criticizing it worse than the previous ones.
He doesn't say this at all
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>>100069921
>>100069844
This is sad.

Read the interviews. He clearly gives 3.0 a bad rap for being so convoluted not even hardcore fans would truly get into it, both 3.0 reviews do. If the films are for hardcore fans only, then that's to 2.0 and 1.0's credit since they laid the groundwork.
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>>100069975
He doesn't say that at all throughout the review
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>>100069844
It's 3.0, otherwise it would be in 2.0 as well.

>>100069921
That isn't true? Fact is however that 2.0 had more exposition, character development and so on than 3.0, and 3.0 did nothing to improve on it at all.

This is also, if you read the sentences around said quote, you'd see that the criticism for 3.0 is far harsher.
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>>100070023
>you'll be like a dog in space
vs
>It demands your attention
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>>100069975
>. Which he also points out by criticizing it worse than the previous ones.
The reviews for 2.0 and 1.0 are pratically all the same

>These films makes no sense unless you're a fan but at least they look pretty
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>>100070085
He does.

What he says about 2.0 is a good thing though, since it makes it clear that you need to pay attention, and that the movie doesn't reward people with wandering attention spans.

With 3.0 it's painfully direct:
Not even hard-core fans could use th
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>>100070172
>pratically
Nope.
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>>100070111
>Fact is however that 2.0 had more exposition, character development
>Fact

Sup autist-kun
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>>100070172
>b-but they're the same
You're so cute autist-kun

They are saying one is demanding, and the other is "practically" unforgivable
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>>100070180
>What he says about 2.0 is a good thing though
Actually it's not
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>>100070225
Autist kun doesn't criticize 3.0, nice try.
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What a shit thread.
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Just so you know the reviewers for 2.0 and 3.0 are different and not the same guy
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>>100070083
>He clearly gives 3.0 a bad rap for being so convoluted not even hardcore fans would truly get into it, both 3.0 reviews do.
You're talking out your ass at this point.
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>>100070111
>>100070180
>>100070083
>The 3.0 review is more hardsher because it suits to my tastes

Is all you're saying.
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How come Asuka never wanted kaworu's dick? He was good looking and confident, she would have been all over that.



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