What does /a/ think of space dandy?
It's shit - /a/
I've heard Miyako likes it.
WIth RGZ, Seki-kun and SYD one of the best shows this season.
Anime for /v/ and /co/. Not for people that like anime, but for people that prefer American cartoons and usually only comes to /a/ to complain about moe or otaku.
First half of Ep1 was really terrible but the second half wasn't that bad in my opinion so I guess I'll stick around
It's not shit, but it's not great either.
Watch Space Adventure Cobra instead.
Just watched Forbidden Planet and Barbarella the other night. Space Dandy makes more sense now.
After watching episode 1 both ways, I can't decide on sub or dub going forward -- I love the auto-tune robot voice in the dub, but I hate the narrator. The sub I just found kind of bland.
I found a lot of the more colorful dialogue of the dub is missing in the sub. Dialogue is more fun in the dub, I think. There are also moments where the characters stay silent in the sub like when they tug on the chain.
In the sub QT explains what it is, Dandy says "Got it" and that's it. In the dub, after he says "got it" QT asks Really? followed by a simple dismissive Yep. Not much of a change, but it made the scene more fun. Examples like that made the dub better, to me.
reddit - the anime
I hate the sub, but just because the only options are fucking funi or commie. I wish somebody competent had picked it up.
It's pretty good.
But moe IS shit.
Don't be silly
It's /co/ shit, go discuss it there or to /m/ OP
/a/'s AOTY was NNB in almost every poll and thread, you might not be in the right place.
I already know that most of the people on /a/ have absolutely abominable taste in anime, but I still come here for the few threads that are actually good. Also I like Samurai Flamenco.
It was okay. Not as good as I thought it'd be but the restaurant and the planet scene in the second half were pretty good. Just needs to focus more on action and it should be a fine show.
Too bad we are banning in practice discussion on one of the few shows you enjoy.
But I enjoy tons of shows anon, just not all of the generic slice of life moe bullshit thats being pumped out like the loads being pumped out onto your waifu's face. It gets bland.
>/threading your own post
Its pure shit
It wasn't bad. I'll watch both Subs and Dubs, though I think the Sub writing is better.
I only regular /a/. Not everyone here has to act hipster for the sake of "muh seecrit club"
Says the edgy kid that watches mature anime and spouts moe.
[Spoiler] I bet your waifu is seasonal [/spoiler:lit]
Fucking cellphone, fucking with my funboxes.
Music is great, it was some-what funny and I enjoyed the planet scene
Why is /a/ so permanently butthurt about anime that you don't have to fish out of some terrible streaming site's asshole to watch? Between this and your whining about Cowboy Bepop I can't tell whether you fags are coming or going.
Oh boy look at all the insecure newfags trying to fit in.
Oh boy look at all the successful trolls.
And this is why we shitpost dandy threads into oblivion.
>can't start a bebop thread
Just fuck off.
>Why is /a/ so permanently butthurt about anime that you don't have to fish out of some terrible streaming site's asshole to watch?
What in the hell are you talking about? How is this any easier to watch than other anime series?
My only purpuse is making crossboarders disgusted at the sight of dandy threads.
I enjoy elitist circlejerks anyway, this is like telling me you troll people by dumping good mamga.
>trying to fit in this hard
Elitism is good, but is it worth the potential discussion of every Space Dandy thread that could exist?
There are no shows like that. Do you get all your anime off the pirate bay or something?
At this point i don't know if you are retarded, a troll trying to bait the fun police, or fun police throwing bait to ensure maximum dandy shitpostijg.
No. The only anime I watch is on television.
Or maybe you are actually just a newfag trying too look clever and funny
Holy shit, are all Space Dandy threads like this? This is pathetic as fuck
Why does every fucking crossboarder do this shit?
>Hey guys i like this anime let's discuss it not like your fucking moeshit waifu bullshit you fucking pathetic retards like
>GUYS WHY WON'T YOU DISCUSS MY FAVORITE SHOW
This is not fucking /v/, that's just shitposting.
Shitposting aside, the first episode was just incredibly underwhelming
This is civil, usually there is more meta and hate spam.
You can always discuss it on /co/ tonight.
>humor for american idiots
>MC with faggot hair
No wonder it is flopping hard
Fuck off back to >>>/co/
Ah, I see... You are not from /a/, are you?
This is rather civilized as far as these threads go.
Maybe you should stay there then newfriend :^)
I enjoyed the animation in the later half of the episode. basically when they found that planet onwards. its enough to keep me interested.
So, anyone else planning on spamming the stream tonight? I've been reading up on how DMCA notices work, and maybe we could take that to our advantage.
Learn to capitalize.
But if dandy entertains show maybe you don't have enough brainpower to do it.
Just so you know, you arent replying to the person you think you are. I would never throw ME-ME arrows around like that.
Could we just talk about Space Dandy. I dont understand why all of this is happening. If you hate it so much that you would shitpost a thread involving it you would surely feel better if you just ignored it completely. Go on, go talk about your kawaii animu girls with blobs for heads if thats what you like. Its okay. Just don't shit up threads about other animes because you feel like it. This board, no, this WORLD would be far better if people would just learn to live and let live.
>But if dandy entertains show maybe you don't have enough brainpower to do it.
Learn to string together words to form coherent sentences before you judge others writing.
I thought it was underwhelming the first time I watched it too, but then I watched it again and enjoyed it at least three times as much
Too random, the jokes too lame for my taste, prot "dying" at the end and then coming back for one reason or the other is nothing I take lightly, either.
Needs more Honey.
I first let dandy threads be, but they were a nest of toonami shits and crossboarders so disgusting it would have been the same as letting the katawa shoujo general stay here.
When i wanna talk about it i go to /m/
He says,as he insults the poster.
>I dont understand why all of this is happening.
Because you're insulting and don't lurk.
I'm not a big enough man to not insult someone that insults me OR things I enjoy with zero tact. I wish I was. Let's just remember that it want me that started this mess.
I have no opinion of it yet in terms of whether it was good or bad. It was... different. It was like watching an acid trip. I'm giving it the 3 episode rule before I ultimately decide if I'll drop it or keep at it. Not a big fan of how they completely disregard continuity, eg; the characters die in this episode but in the next episode they are fine. But Dandy and space cat man seem pretty cool sometimes.
If people insulting shit you like baselessly makes you mad then you are either in a constant state of rage or not from here.
Anyway, discussion here is impossible man, even if the fun police wasn't here, it'd turn into subsvsdubs
People complain about Cowboy Bebop?
I know, it's shit yet they always try to defend it.
The retards even think it's influential.
Dont get me wrong, i'm not angry, I just don't like staying quiet.
Newfags i mean.
Anyone that has seen enough anime realizes it's just mediocre episodic bullshit with a great OST
What kind of anime do you like, anon? What's your top 5?
I watch everything but shonnen due to length, newfag.
Any non-shit subs for this? So far it's just Funi and Commie.
It's pretty gud.
Also when does the next episode air in america?
The first episode kind of sucked, mostly because the humor was just painful.
I'll watch 3 episodes, though.
My money is still on multiple realities, they mess up space time when they pull the cosmic string. I have the feeling there will be some sort of overspanning plot arc dealing with that.
Download Commie's glorious dual-audio release, and set it to English audio + Commie's subtitles, that way you'll be getting two different English translations at once.
>talking heads political show that has no reason to be drawn or animated
>otaku slice of life with toilet seat-colored hair girls that became 'sacred' to its fanbase for whatever reason
I think 'I hate anime but BEBOP' types are obnoxious, but lol at these boring stock tastes that everyone in the overly vocal /a/ elitist clique that shits over every good thread has had since 2006.
Commie actually did a decent job with Space Dandy, surprisingly.
Those are pretty good shows anon, I like them all except knk, because I haven't seen it yet. What don't you like about Bebop?
I like that so far there hasn't been any school girls in sight.
I like school girls as much as anon next to me, but it does get tiresome at times and especially this season stuff dealing with anything else is rare.
hey guys vote in my poll pls >>100052329
Do you mean Kara no Kyoukai?
Youre doing yourself a diservice by not watching the dub. Its well done, and I would go as far to say that its better because of all the lines that are added. The first episode if by far more entertaining with the dub.
He makes some pretty good points though.
No, it's a shit dub.
The jokes are pretty lame, but the action seems rather fun. I really hope it picks up before the third epsiode, no anime with pompadours can be that bad.
Which KNK? There's like 5 of them.
KyoKana then? That's a peculiar choice.
No you are not
Since when we turned into /v/ 2.0?
What the fuck /a/?
How about you fat gay children actually judge the content of a post instead of sperging out over bullshit that doesn't matter? I've used 'lol' here for 8 years; it's not like your post will magically change it.
Normally I wouldn't reply, but I decided to be nice for once and give you some advice on how to better yourself.
because evil crossboarders and newfags want to rape our wimmenz, that's why we set our own village on fire.
Shounen is demographic of manga not genre, you stupid shit. I bet you watched few and didn't even noticed it.
What can i say, the atsmosphere and soundtrack entraped me, and i loved the story and characters, one of the best adaptations i've seen, considerijg nasu's shit writing.
And before anyone cries conformist, i watched all but nichibros before coming to /a/
That's a pretty funny way to type "day" you got there.
The MC intimidates me and theres not enough cute moemoe kyun girls. Its shit.
Stop being retarded.
Weekends are worst.
I pray for tomorrow was as week ago
It just /a/ being paranoid and insecure plus with newfags trying to fit to drive /a/ deeper into the ground.
What happened was, idiots trying to 'save the board from becoming /v/' are acting like the absolute worst /v/ stereotypes imaginable.
That's literally it.
It's really obvious the dub is a love-it-or-hate-it thing, dude.
Two of my friends hate it, another one loves it. /a/'s very split on it.
>considerijg nasu's shit writing
So you did mean Kara no Kyoukai
How is it a shit dub? The voice acting is fine, I wont call it amazing but I definitely enjoy it. The dub DOES add more to the show as well. There were tons of jokes that just fall on their face in the sub while they work perfectly in the dub, there are also moments where people talk in the dub to add to the jokes whereas they were just silent in the sub.
Space Dandy shows /a/ is nothing but a circlejerk board.
No wonder NNB is AOTY
For all the bitching about "crossboarders", monoboarders are consistently the worst shitposters.
I didn't like the brand of humour in the dub (or the sub), and the narrator is garbage.
Well I don't get why people liked NNB, but I also didn't feel the need to shitpost in their threads and claim that their taste is shit and that they should leave /a/.
>believing /a/ polls
You're not a bright one.
>/a/ is nothing but a circlejerk board.
>Implying that wasn't a proxy spamming with NNB.
Just like every other board?
Nobody fucking cares about you or what you think.
>go back to /v/
>go back to /co/
I thought it was agreed upon unanimously in a poll this week that Space Dandy discussions belong here. So what if it is being broadcasted in English simultaneously, it is made in Japan by a Japanese studio and falls undoubtedly under the category of anime. So what's the deal?
With that said the first episode was ok, not spectacular but fine. Hoping it gets better next episode.
Then how did it get one of the best sales and win 2ch's poll too?
It's understandable to not like a comedy show if you don't like it's brand of humor.
My favorite of the season so far.
This what is sad about /a/
The same threads
Every single week
Well except when a new episode airs, those are the fun threads
The rest is circlejerk and imagedumps.
>mfw /a/ forced Toonami shit to /vg/
>mfw mods scrambled to find out what to do because /vg/ didn't want it there
>mfw mods are scared shitless of /a/
Instead of you retards say: Hurr durr crossboarder , newfag etc etc.
How about you counter his bad taste with some logic?
We are not going anywhere if we proceed with this "hate hivemind" .
We are better than this, we can put the peasants in their places
>using "lols" "pls" and emoticons
>talking about how they only watch anime on Toonami
>using words like "moeshit", "animes", and thinking "shonnen" is a genre
Why are you people here? You realize you're supposed to lurk for a year before you post on a board, correct?
Shit, yes, i mix them up all the time, fucking kyoani.
Voice actors are worse than the nip ones, they changed the script in some unnecesary ways to adapt it for murriclaps, and butchered the ED and OP
/a/ is lieejuhn, expect us :DDD
>We are better than this
Been here all winter break I see.
If that's true then I'll pick Commie. Thanks.
It was great. Pretty funny.
What went wrong?
Why is she so perfect?
Who X here?
Would you a X?
Everyday until X
You will never mumble mumble
Mumble mumble Prove me wrong - You can't
You have X seconds to mumble mumble - You can't
What does X's Y smell like?
How do we fix X?
X a Y
Which X would you Y?
/a/ suddenly hates x
Why is X the only studio willing to take risks?
About to watch X what should I expect?
Don't mind me, I'm just posting mumble mumble.
There are people on /a/ right now who mumble mumble
What the fuck happened?
Mumble mumble when?
What's wrong with VLC?
Wake up, see this. What do?
I'll just leave this here
What's your excuse for not watching X
X will save anime / I'm here to save anime
What does /a/ think about X?
What's the most boring anime you've ever watched?
X is Love
Is X worth watching?
I had so high hopes for this series, but it just gets worse and worse with every new episode.
yfw x wins da y
What the fuck did I just watch?
X confirmed for Y
Why do you still watch moeshit?
>She sees your dick
Your waifu's face when X
Your waifu is now X, do you still love her?
Was it rape, /a/?
Weekend waifu drawthread
All your waifus are wonderful, /a/
You should be able to solve this
Let's get a X thread going
Do X if your waifu is posted
ITT: overrated shit
What an utterly useless power
Date-a-live? More like date a slut am I right?
I've seen many good Dandy threads. Just not ones started by obvious morons who haven't lurked and obviously don't go to /a/. Just like what happens when they make Cowboy Bebop threads or "old anime" threads. It's always the same shit with them.
Hell, I've even seen /co/ retards try and start Deadman Wonderland threads when it was on Toonami and then freak out like a retard and scream about "you fuicking elitist weabo moeshit fagots" and when /a/ said they didn't care about talking about it anymore.
/a/ has been my main board since 2006, I say 'lol' and type in lower caps and occasionally I use emoticons ironically
/a/ is so fucking shitty and stupid at times that a vocal minority of shitposters make people genuinely afraid of discussing something.
it hasn't been this bad since 2008.
Wow, thread starters, how weird.
>We are better than this
We aren't. Because besides that it is pretty hard to justify "muh taste > your tast" in a real argument, most anime that is considered "normalfag" or "entry level" on /a/ is actually the best the anime industry has ever made. /a/ doesn't care about quality as a real measure for a show, it only wants to isolate themselves to maintain a hipster attitude.
That custom was deprecated a decade ago.
Yeah, and they all discuss anime at a tertiary level, which is shit.
I'll give you the horrible op/ed, but I love the auto-tuned voice for the robot and Dandy is Isaac, how can anyone hate Isaac. The script wasn't changed in any ways that actually matter, and in my opinion the changes were for the better. The scene where dandy makes his going with the flow speech for example is just so much better than the original script.
X is a better Pokemon game than Y.
Entry level doesn't mean bad, just accessible.
> I use emoticons ironically
So you're a shitposter.
I doubt it's a vocal minority.
So the problem here is Toonami? Hope I bump into one these "good" Space Dandy threads you mentioned, also hope this riptide of shitposting from crossboarders and people who reply to them subsides.
It changed the original intent, and clearly not with the writers consent, that is the definition of a shit dub, none of /a/'s maaaaaybe it's alright dubs have that.
>using emoticons "ironically"
>forgetting capital letters "ironically"
Sir, what you are doing is called completely unironic shitposting.
I thought the show was extremely boring for the first half and somewhat good in the second. Pretty bad for an intro episode.
>implying there isn't a happy medium between shitposting and seriousposting
earnestness with occasional sarcasm exists, brah!
most of what I write here is seriousposts, often attempts at being analytical. that said, you're a pretty broken human being if someone using ^_^ or whatever every once in a while as a joke genuinely upsets you.
I remember between the shitposts of another thread that one anon was asking for a higher quality ED on youtube.
Looks like the single is out on the 29th too.
well, this has already devolved into meta circlejerking, guess i'll join the sekai threads, that was how you make a great first ep
I get the feeling it's going to be one of those shows that's really good or really just shit.
I'm leaning on the latter after the first episode.
What makes you so sure that it was without the writers consent? If anything i'd imagine they would have his express permission to change it to be more friendly to a western audience given that it was released a day ahead in the west. Besides, its called localization for a reason. They localize it to the audience they release it to so they can follow the all of the jokes, for instance.
see this poll >>100052329
not just this poll but also an earlier one about whether Dandy belongs on /a/ or not (protip: most of /a/ thinks it does) . the problem is that the genuinely angry idiots and the siztra & co shitposting cru are pathetic losers who are not only socially awkward nerds, but have no real 'nerd' interests outside of /a/. some might take a break from watching anime while obsessively pausing every second to post about it on /a/ to read a book or watch a movie or something, but the obsessive EPIC TROLLS and nerd rage spergemperors don't.
Please leave, you are a terrible poster even without your emoticons.
Just fuck off.
If one of the writers took to social media sites to say how shit the dub was, that means there are issues.
Dubs are already worse than the original by mere fact of voice acting quality, if you add inconsistencies, it only worsens.
More credit to the funpolice for actually forcing a majority to have standards.
I'm willing to talk about the show if you are.
>If one of the writers took to social media sites to say how shit the dub was, that means there are issues
One animator, an Iranian-Austrian notorious for saying things he shouldn’t say complained (i.e. not involved in the creative process of writing scenario and characters) about one line in the dub. Those were his opinions, not anyone elses.
Bahi is an animator dude.
He did make a good point, but he didn't even say the dub was overall bad. It was just that writing changed that annoyed him.
The problem is always Toonami casual retards from other boards, never the show itself. A lot of /a/ likes Cowboy Bebop for instance, but other boards think we hate it because we hate the garbage threads they always fucking make for it ("guys rec me more animes like CB not like your nerdy fucking fag anime moeshit pls more like cool mature western shows ok pls??"). SD threads get the same reaction, mostly. There's of course some retards here who have some vendetta against the show itself, but most of /a/ truly does not care about it that much, it's mostly just OK to below average, nothing special.
Too many /co/cksuckers in the thread, i can't discuss seriously with people claiming a dub is good.
I think i'll go to /m/
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Stop.
How is that ironic or shitposting?
Look between the parentheses. That's the textbook example of ironic shitposting.
>only people from /co/ could like the dub
I don't like the dub but you're a colossal idiot.
Golden Boy got a similar treatment in the shift of tone (serious-sounding character comedically contrasted over wacky subject matter -> wacky voice, wacky subject matter) and that dub has been /a/-approved for eons.
Can I have a source on that? I'm curious.
I dont care about inconsistencies as long as it doesnt actually affect the story in some way, which this definitely doesn't. Honestly, as long as its entertaining, why does it MATTER if a they change the punchline of a joke so that it makes sense to anyone that doesn't live in Japan?
The voice acting is also great, its no where near as bad as you're making it out to be.
>The problem is always Toonami casual retards from other boards, never the show itself. A lot of /a/ likes Cowboy Bebop for instance, but other boards think we hate it because we hate the garbage threads they always fucking make for it ("guys rec me more animes like CB not like your nerdy fucking fag anime moeshit pls more like cool mature western shows ok pls??"). SD threads get the same reaction, mostly. There's of course some retards here who have some vendetta against the show itself, but most of /a/ truly does not care about it that much, it's mostly just OK to below average, nothing special.
It is pretty much that.
> Besides, its called localization for a reason. They localize it to the audience they release it to so they can follow the all of the jokes, for instance.
Dubs are not called "localizations", though. Are you in favour of dubs like Warriors of the Wind, or 4kids? I'm sure Watanabe was involved in some way and approved it, so I don't find it bad for that reason.
Man, this is bombing
That was giving an example, it's not like he's making an incoherent mess, he makes fair points
I'm just quoting.
Shit son, pupa is doing better.
Localization was a bad term to use. Basically I was just trying to say that they were aiming to make the dialogue in the dub friendlier for western audiences, which they succeeded in.
That is not a good thing.
I didn't know there's a dub! I'll have to watch it
It waters it down and changes the original intent.
I'll grant you that translating nip humour is probably the hardest thing to do.
I don't really get what there is to hate about Dandy. It's a fun, simple show with really cool, colorful designs, a cool soundtrack and an easy going plot. It's a real crowd pleaser, and it doesn't take itself seriously. You can like it or you can not care about it, but hating it? Why?
But all it really does is reword some jokes. If anything, the sub felt like the watered down version after watching it after the dub.
Because it's /a/.
The cancerous fanbase doesn't help.
there are no cancerous fanbase, just cancerous posters.
The first episode was boring as shit and the characters were equally boring. For a comedy it was pretty awful. I didn't even so much as smirk or chuckle throughout the entire episode. It is pretty colorful in terms of design though, and the OP and ED were alright, but the soundtrack overall was pretty forgettable. As for plot it didn't really reveal any at all in the first episode.
>You can like it or you can not care about it, but hating it?
Don't tell me what to do.
Because whenever people who like something overly praise it, dislike or even just lack of enjoyment turns to hate. I like the show but I this is how every popular show ends up.
Because of horrible idiots like >>100057653
Inb4 "But I'm reasonable!"
Nah, you're not if you believe in 'Toonami fanbase cancer' bullshit. People who only watch anime on Toonami won't go anywhere near /a/; they do not post on anime communities, period. People who think /a/ is "special" for watching ongoing anime and fail to realize that every shitty anime forum full of dumb children does the same are dumb beyond belief.
>People who only watch anime on Toonami won't go anywhere near /a/
You're joking right? 4chan isn't some secret club.
>BAWW MOE ISN'T SHIT
There was an obvious increase in crossposter numbers after dandy aired but before it was shunned.
No one does this. It's objectively the worst way to watch anything, there is literally NO benefit to streaming.
Also, /a/ has civilized discussions about Bebop all the time. It's pretty clear that you're a crossboarder trying to start a flame war. Go back to >>>/v/ or >>>/pol/ or wherever the fuck retards like you keep coming from.
>Toonami fanbase cancer
I'm pretty sure they mean /co/.
>People who think /a/ is "special" for watching ongoing anime
No one thinks that.
When I manage not to judge the drooling retards that gather in the WUG threads, why can't they do the same with shows I like?
This 'crossboarder' paranoia bullshit is fucking retarded. I've used /a/, /co/, /u/ and /v/ for nearly a decade now.
>You're joking right? 4chan isn't some secret club.
When did I ever imply that 4chan is a 'secret club'? You're the one shoving words into my mouth.
I'm saying that if you're actually paying attention, people who only watch anime on TV don't hang out on anime communities like /a/. Every single big anime community watches ongoing anime. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Good animation, bad interactions and dialogues.
Thats like a reversed Kill la Kill
It felt like they were trying too hard to make it like the space operas of old, and since they couldn't do it they instead decided to make a plot that doesn't take itself seriously.
The result is a very average show. Great animation makes it worth watching, but only a fool would expect the story to go anywhere.
>No one thinks that.
Then why do people seriously worry about "FUCKING PLEB BABIES WHO ONLY WATCH TOONAMI!!!!!!!!!" going to /a/?
>people who only watch anime on TV don't hang out on anime communities like /a/
You don't have to hang out on an anime community regularly (especially /a/) in order to post a thread.
This post basically reads like you're saying "episodic = inherently bad".
>that's not what I mean!
So word your shit better.
I watched the first episode and I felt like it was a cartoon I'd watch as a 14 year old.
I'll give it 3 episodes but eh, it seems like its designed for people younger.
By crossboarder people mean posters that are not familiar with /a/'s culture and go around spoonfeeding and just being retarded.
Because they don't want "fucking Toonami plebs" to come here?
So who cares if some guy makes a thread once every blue moon? There's absolutely no danger of people who only watch Toonami ever becoming even vaguely common on /a/. Normal anime forums don't behave like mongoloid children and force incoherent elitist standards and they're still full of children who primarily watch ongoing anime. Just like /a/.
Not saying normal anime forums are good, but you people are so stupid you don't even realize why /a/ is good.
> People who only watch anime on Toonami won't go anywhere near /a/
They're in this very thread, they admitted it themselves.
Or you could try working on your reading comprehension.
>incoherent elitist standards
What do you consider "incoherent elitist standards"?
>So who cares if some guy makes a thread once every blue moon?
Because there's lots of "some guys" out there and every day is a blue moon.
>So who cares if some guy makes a thread once every blue moon?
But there's been dozens of them every day since SD aired?
It made me smile. I honestly sort of just got back into Anime because my boyfriend has me watching lots of older stuff, and this is a nice safe haven from all the moe shit that I'm wading through.
It doesn't feel like the most original thing in the world, but it's goofy and has gorgeous animation. Kinda' reminds me of Cobra, just goofier.
I doubt that kids will get all the references to old scifi.
I guess that it's especially for the people that want to nostalgia about the shows and movies of once. I can't believe that I'm becoming old enough that younger people won't get my pop culture jokes.
/a/ can be like /v/!
I also noticed they had different openings, the dubbed one reminded me of the "Tank" opening
Apparently there were license issues with the OP, the american OP is just cut together from the PV.
So, new people in general? Wow holy shit, there's no way one of the most popular, fast moving internet communities that's gotten boatloads of media exposure could POSSIBLY attract those.
You're really stupid if you think /a/ doesn't get countless new people all the time and that they don't learn from their mistakes.
Only you don't do this. You don't call out shitposts - you instead try to backseat-moderate by shitposting "bad fanbase" anime away, thinking that this will help the board and "keep the scum away" instead of creating a culture of shitposting and basically telling new people, "this is how you act if you don't like something".
That would imply that you believe /a/ is special for watching ongoing anime. That it's even remotely POSSIBLE for a big anime discussion board to attract a large audience of people who only watch Toonami and that this brain-dead pseudo-elitism is 'needed' to keep /a/ 'pure'.
If you looked at literally every single decently-sized anime forum, you'd realize that this is complete and utter nonsense. People who watch ongoing anime will always outnumber the ones who only watch stuff on TV by a huge amount.
>That would imply that you believe /a/ is special for watching ongoing anime.
/a/ isn't special for watching ongoing anime, and /a/ doesn't want any more retards here. I don't understand what's your problem.
>going to other anime boards
/a/ doesn't have a problem with new posters, it has a problem with new posters not lurking and acting retarded. If you don't like /a/, you can fuck off to reddit or MAL.
/a/ isn't like this?
Yeah let's make /a/ into tumbler that's a great idea
>You're really stupid if you think /a/ doesn't get countless new people all the time and that they don't learn from their mistakes.
Well clearly some aren't, that's why people are saying posters are crossboarders/newfags/casualfags and telling them to lurk more or leave, etc. That's calling out shitposting, correct?
I don't know what you're getting so furious about, I don't understand what your point is. I don't agree with "reverse shitposting" these threads either, if that's what you're saying. I don't really know why you're talking about other anime boards on other sites - we're talking about non-anime boards on this site who just watch Toonami and don't watch any new anime.
My point is that you're completely brain-dead if you support this "shitpost popular anime to KEEP THE SCUM OUT" garbage. You're rallying against a nonexistent threat, the threat of people who only watch anime on TV becoming a sizable group on /a/. I've already explained why this is paranoid and insane and why behaving this way harms the board more than it helps it.
>big anime community
Gaia is about as relevant as Something Awful these days.
Those fucking names
/a/ is the the best place on the internet to talk about anime without actually being a good place to talk about anime.
>can tell if it's gaia or not
Also who said "shitpost popular anime to KEEP THE SCUM OUT"?
what the fuck does that even mean? that the animation was good?bad? that you liked it? that you didn't like it?
The hardcore /a/ posters don't really hang out anywhere else.
Who knows, as far as we know he could still be mad that we recommended him BnP.
I'm saying that if you think people who only watch Toonami are in any danger of causing any genuine harm to /a/'s status quo you are batshit insane.
I hate those fans too but I pretty much don't have to deal with them anywhere, ever, outside of anime discussion threads in non anime-centric boards.
>"here's some left-of-field bullshit that has nothing to do with what you said. heh, talk about owned!"
I'm all for typical Tumblr behavior being stigmatized on /a/. And yet you apparently assume I'm not, because I don't buy into the insane idea that people who only watch Toonami will become a sizable group, and that the only way to stop this is to sagebomb and mass-shitpost threads about popular shows.
Why are you replying to an obvious troll from 2 fucking hours ago?
No, rec threads get banned here, when mods exist.
When there is too much motion in a sequence where it's completely uncalled for.
Reminder that I'm going to make Space Dandy threads everyday and add "Last night's episode was..." at the beginning of every thread and each and every one of you is going to feed my 300+ replies and there is NOTHING you can do about it. that doesn't amount to..
>get lost faggot
>nobody wants you here
>I'm saying that if you think people who only watch Toonami are in any danger of causing any genuine harm to /a/'s status quo you are batshit insane.
I'm not batshit insane for saying that morons who don't lurk and post bad things are bad posters. I'm not saying they're the end of the world, they're just bad posters.
>and that the only way to stop this is to sagebomb and mass-shitpost threads about popular shows.
Who the fuck "sagebombs" anymore? This thread isn't even that bad, stop freaking out.
I googled one of the thread names and the name of the OP to prove that you're bringing up a shitty tiny board that doesn't matter. And hey, you are.
Funnily enough enough, I did register Gaia when I was 12; I mistook it for some kind of free Korean MMORPG, looked around for a second, realized it was a dumb forum, thought "this shit is mad gay" and left. Forgot all about it until I saw people talk about it on 4chan and Something Awful.
>Only you don't do this. You don't call out shitposts - you instead try to backseat-moderate by shitposting "bad fanbase" anime away, thinking that this will help the board and "keep the scum away" instead of creating a culture of shitposting and basically telling new people, "this is how you act if you don't like something".
This. If you act like shit, the new people will learn to act like shit.
All /a/ wants is for crossboarders to respect the way that /a/ does things when they visit.
I am a crossboarder. I visit /a/, /c/, /u/, /e/, /jp/, /g/, /int/ and /f/. I adjust my posting style and etiquette to fit each board. I think about what I type, I try to contrubute and not shitpost because I care about the quality of those boards. Is it so hard to expect visitors to /a/ to show the same courtesy?
You really think /a/ would be stupid enough to fall for such blatant trolling consistently?
Well, you're right.
I just posted it because I thought it was funny.
>"shitpost popular anime to KEEP THE SCUM OUT"
I don't support that, I don't know how you got that idea. But telling people that act like morons to stop acting like morons is the right thing to do (of course, if they break the rules you just report and ignore them).
/v/ is worse
Better, this autist elitist circlejerks make my day, the fact that /a/ is filled with people that care about the board is great and a lovely thing to see.
Why does the idea of crossboarding even exist.
Are we only allowed to have one interest?
>No, rec threads get banned here, when mods exist.
Rec threads are allowed if they're good; this has always been the case, and years ago, a lot of rec threads were pretty damned entertaining. But as of late, idiots think that the very idea behind them is inherently bad because they're wannabe-elitist kids trying to look like oldfags.
Here's the mod stance on rec threads:
>Please keep in mind I’m talking about recommendations such as “I liek Death Note. Wut do I watch next” or “Gimme some anime but none of that uguu moeshit.” The janitors and mods ALREADY DELETE THESE TYPES OF THREADS, as long as the userbase reports them enough to catch our attention. However, we have no intention of taking any action against recommendation threads with legitimate effort and thought put behind them such as “I want more anime that features Kanada-esque animation.”
>too much motion in a sequence
No such thing exists, retard. It's an animation. The best amount of animation in an animation is ALWAYS the maximum amount you can afford. Targeting normals and their infinite pockets, they can animate a lot, not having to pinch pennies by having everything be pans of stills like in shitty cheap anime.
Just leave. Seriously, go. We need to somehow expel all of you.
>Who the fuck "sagebombs" anymore?
Nobody after saging was made invisible, which by the way was probably the best change Moot ever made.
These threads will be the martyr of the season.
Thank you based Space Dandy, for attracting all the trolls and shitposters to one show for this season.
You die for our sins.
>If you have other interests and visit other boards then you can't come on /a/
I actually prefer the dub to this and I will defend subs to death usually.
>Why does the idea of crossboarding even exist.
Because SEKRET CLUB INSIDE A SEKRET CLUB.
Fucking retards should realize that the average 4chan user posts regularly on at least 5 subforums, often 10 or more. Everyone is a crossboarder.
so... good animation?
Seriously, all the other threads have been decent to good, even klk is better.
And dandy threads are one at a time to boot.
Dub makes the show a lot funnier for me, also QT sounds better as an autotuned robot than a generic cute female voice. Only problem is that the dub is missing the amazing OP and ED.
Are you practicing for autism world cup or something?
There are people who actually believe forced animation is a thing. It's not even a joke anymore.
You know I'm like 90% sure all these supposed cross boarders are just people from /a/ claiming their from other boards just to piss people off.
It's called trolling, it's pretty easy to do these days.
Crossboarding just used to be a word for browsing multiple boards, I can't remember when it became a negative term exactly.
>browsing anime related boards is bad
Just because /v/ can't handle the responsibility, doesn't mean that other boards can't.
>you can afford
Exactly, mentally deficient poster-kun.
Nah I'm actually from /v/
>Dub makes the show a lot funnier for me
I probably should check out the dub, because I watched the subbed version and it was boring as fuck.
Some things don't move. Those things that don't move shouldn't be animated for the sake of being animated.
W-What? What the fuck are you trying to say.
Give an example.
>Just because /v/ can't handle the responsibility, doesn't mean that other boards can't.
/a/ sure as fuck can't.
It's usually used as an insult aimed at people posting in a certain way that is more in line with how a different board operates (usually a bad one), meaning they must not be used to this board yet. Another is if they say certain things that are very obviously a result of ignorance concerning the board and/or the board topic ("old animes were all cowboy bebops, all new animes is moeshit" "why dont you guys rec me stuff" "whats wrong with using emoticons"). They usually get very arrogant and defensive and usually out themselves with a "I hate you elitist faggots on /a/" when confronted. This is of course considering if they're not just trolls, because it's a very easy personality to fake.
It's obviously not a bad thing unless you're being either a shitposter or a shit poster.
What things? Are
if /a/ doesnt like something they just claim it ahs "Forced ________"
Space Dandy is the hero /a/ deserves, it will contain the shitposters, there is so much for them to whine about. dub vs sub, murrica, toonami, funimation, crossboards, normalfags, tumblrfags, etc.
I was gonna reiterate my point of "just tell newfags how to not be shit, be constructive, don't backseat-moderate through shitposting" as usual but >>100059734 made a far better point.
From what I recall the whole "board wars" concept was pretty tongue-in-cheek for the longest time and only recently became something people get genuinely paranoid and idiotic over.
/fit here, I'm just here for Space Dandy
>if /a/ doesnt like something they just claim it ahs "Forced ________"
Oh, so exactly like /v/ then.
How new are you?
Why wasn't dandy female
Well it's kind of difficult to pick up on comedy listening to a language you don't know. You won't like it dubbed if you think its "boring as fuck" to begin with. What kind of ridiculous shows are you watching if space dandy is boring for you?
Longer than you apparently, sage doesn't lower a thread, it only doesn't bump it.
I have seen what this shithole was like when sage was visible. Every second thread was sagebombed to hell by some autist on a crusade against whatever he personally didn't like. Now this place can actually have a thread about something on occasion.
>tfw when you still pronounce sage like one of those wizard guys
And I don't give a fuck.
Agreed. Why the fuck can't everyone have a variety of interests?
IT'S OKAY TO LIKE ANIME IT'S OKAY TO LIKE VIDEO GAMES IT'S OKAY TO LIKE SUPERHEROES THIS ISN'T HARD PEOPLE
Sage means "to lower" in Japanese. Please don't tell me you think it's pronounced sage as in the herb?
I am saging every post I make and I hope other anons are too because this shit doesn't need to be bumped.
Nobody makes those kinds of decent rec threads in the first place, and when they do, /a/ doesn't get mad at them.
99% of rec threads are absolute garbage made by arrogant dipshits who demand to be catered to, and get incredibly angry when /a/ refuses to obey their orders. "I'm not going to google shit, I want specialized recommendations! You guys are supposed to know anime right, so answer me NOW, and none of your fucking moeshit made for nerds either! You fucking lazy fat elitist VIRGINS can go fucking kill yourselves!"
I've seen so many threads where the OP devolves into that shit after being told to fuck off, just in the past week alone.
It's because /v/ devolved immensely and can't be trusted to keep their behaviour in check. Just like how people treated /b/tards back in the day (although now, nobody cares about /b/).
For example, there's no reason to animate mountains when they're not moving. Or people's armors. Why should a weapon wave around when it's held steady? Etc.
holy shit it's only been one fucking episode, and second one's today. Calm down OP
>treating sage as a downvote
You're exactly the reason why sage was made invisible. Seriously fuck off to Rebbit for fuck's sake. God.
I thought Space Dandy's first half was very boring.
>most visited board
>no one cares about it
Please be less retarded.
No one outside of /b/ he means. People redirect to /b/ no more.
I meant example as in when something liked that happened in an anime.
I'm not using it as a downvote.
What is the OP topic?
What am I posting?
Offtopic meta shit.
That's why I'm saging.
It's not a downvote. It's being polite and courteous..
that naruto QUALITY!! gif is a great example of that. In SD, the part where they were running away from the large aliens.
Ok, where’s the animated mountains?
Nobody fucking cares about /b/ anymore. Nobody ever mentions it, talks about it, uses it as a scapegoat, or tells people to "go back to /b/". Nobody even knows or cares what they do anymore. /b/'s always been seen as "separate" from everything else for a very long time, but never as much as now.
Now /v/ gets all that attention.
You know what the worst kind of /v/ behavior is? THE EXACT KIND OF AUTISTIC BULLSHIT THAT PEOPLE HERE ARE DOING TO 'SAVE' /a/ FROM "BECOMING LIKE /v/".
People shitposting popular anime 'for the sake of the board' is a worse threat than people who only watch Toonami. Not because people who only watch Toonami aren't annoying shitheads but because they're in no danger of taking over /a/. Autistic /a/ shitposters who think they're 'helping the board' have been here for years. Remember "Set Fail"?
Nobody's excusing shitposters on either side, stop screaming.
There's nothing 'over-animated' there or remotely similar to your retarded example of something that never happens
>durrhurr making mountains dance around
"My pain is greater than yours" was one of the lesser scenes in that episode but "over-animation" was not the problem and neither was "ugliness". Bahi did a better job with his scene than Yamashita did with that specific scene.
I can't see an instance in either when something that shouldn't be moving was.
Are you just talking about the style?
He's probalby someone who thinks everything in anime is meant to be 100% consistent even though the lack of 'illusion of life is the ideal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' Disney bullshit and giving actual freedom to animators is what makes anime animation good to begin with.
It's not like he can even say any of it was 'out of place' since episode 1 was pretty loose in general.
Even /z/ is more relevant than /b/.
Well at least flamenco shitposters moved on from the rape
Maybe they strolled over to dandy
/v/ please go
Let him run amok, his impotent rage is pretty fucking hilarious to watch.
>People shitposting popular anime 'for the sake of the board'
No one defends them. Shitposting is shitposting, those guys just say stupid shit like "We're doing this to save /a/" to bait more people.
I don't get why you people think animation has to look realistic.
If you want realism, watch live action tv.
From the earliest animation projects, it dealt heavily with transformation, metamorphosis, deformation and movement, all the things that make animation special and superior to live action if you want to show things that wouldn't be possible in real life.
God damn this is a cancerous thread, this is almost as bad as when shingeki no kyojin or sword art online started.
You faggots need to regain your bite, when someone comes into /a/ thinking the whole board has to revolve around their feelings, don't debate them for christs sake, just kill the thread with naruto.
Naruto is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.
However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the jutsus, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole ninja faggotry and everything about the Naruto world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.
Naruto is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Naruto threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.
The thing is Naruto is a magnet for idiots who don't even know how to discuss something properly nor did they watch a lot of series to have a better taste. Why is Gaia considered shit? Because most of their threads are about Naruto or Twilight. Sure I wouldn't care if it was a one thread with normal posts and spelling but most threads are something like:"sasuke is uber kawaii i am going to cosplay naruto at school gambatte" Having more Naruto threads here lures those kind of people who know about 4chan because of "funny images and jokes" and they usually ignore global rule about being underage. Do you see Japanese 2chan anime board having endless discussions and fanwanking about Naruto? No. Why? Because they think its a silly show for children.
It's stupid, it's full of plotholes, it's littered with characters that are just plain HORRIBLE, the fanbase is on par with the twilight and avatar one, atrocious fanshippers who watch the stuff only to see which girl will the protagonist that is irrefutably gay fuck first, extremely undeveloped characters and a utterly ridiculous anti hero who's lifeline is deus ex machina, actually, 98% of characters rely on that because Kishimoto can't write above anything what a caveman with a club lodged up his prehistoric anus could.
Also did i mention it's very yaoi'ish, thus attracting fujoshi and white knights who follow them, mouthbreathers and faggots? It also it attracts ADHD children, which, no matter how much your mother told you to respect the sick, are not wanted on /a/ and should just die off like the waste of resources they are.
The original post saying forced animation was a troll, just stop
Hi screaming anon, how's life? Enjoying any anime this season?
>oh no they're just trolling
Their dedication is insane though. If you took a glance at the shithole that was /q/, some people would spend hours on end writing massive effortposts in favor of "shitposting bad fanbases away".
When it reaches that point, it doesn't matter if you're 'serious' or not; you're still fucking insane. And it's more likely than not that you genuinely believe the nonsense you're spouting.
Shitpost as much as you want, narutard, but the thing is you will never be able to discuss nurutu on /a/ without your thread getting spammed with copypasta, doubles and saged to death.
You can call us "elitist" as much as you want, pretend you were here forever and that Naruto was discussed on /a/, defend the plot and characters, call us "moefags" or "wan piss fags" how much you want but you will never be able to have a proper narushit discussion thread on /a/.
If you are not an elitist then you have not watched enough anime to post on this board. I am actually going to take the time to spell this out for you because you clearly need it explained. /a/ does not talk about Naruto. /a/ does not acknowledge Naruto. /a/ does not permit Naruto threads. If you want to talk about Naruto then go elsewhere. If you are just trying to troll, you failed. The people saging this thread are just doing it out of duty, not rage. We all know what Naruto fans are like and we all are willing to do what it takes to prevent that from happening.
You're very obviously new here if you think you're the first one to defend Naruto and shun elitism. There have been quite a few like you before who spent their days replying to copypasta before they decided to lurk a bit and understand how /a/ works. That is why we don't need to write new responses. We've already had this very argument a hundred times in the past with people even more butthurt than you.
Keep being angry, cry more, or preferably get out
/a/ doesn't seem to have a janitor at the moment, it really fucking shows. Even if threads get spammed it just turns into a cancerous hive of shitposting that looks like a /v/ sticky.
Sasuke has to be the worst character in all of shonen. his motivations make absolutely no sense. he's completely unlikable. he has no personality. he's horribly emo. he's the furthest thing to being someone awesome enough to be gay for like griffith. he's just a pile of shit that won't go away because landwhales and little children keep voting him first in popularity polls.
And Naruto is a fucking idiot. Well beyond the retard of Ichigo and Luffy. All you have to do is read from his confrontation of Nagato to his meeting with Sasuke.
"Why should I believe anything you say when everything is just connected by hatred blah blah"
"HURR DURR DERP TRUST ME I WILL FIND A WAY TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF HATRED"
"You're either going to be the man who's going to kill me or be killed by me"
"LOL I WON'T KILL YOU OR BE KILLED BY YOU MY ANSWER IS...."
"SASUKE ME AND YOU ARE GOING TO DIE TOGETHER"
“If you go to this war everyone’s efforts to protect you will be in vain and everyone might die because of your idiocy”
“LOL I’LL GO”
“And do what?”
“I DON’T KNOW HURR”
Forced animation is obviously a troll attempt but what about people who say 'forced drama'?
Are they trolling too or do they seriously believe something like that exists?
So what if they are fucking mentally ill? Who cares? Just report them. You're acting as if all of /a/ is like that.
First of all, the author should stop retconning, writing over plot holes and utterly stupid bullshit. Just glance over the latest chapters:
- This manga is so gay. Ninja Romantica is what it should be named. Main character hyperventilates and passes out just by thinking about his lover. No, really. Then Naruto wakes up and the first thing he does is chase after Sasuke again, and when they meet even Sasuke questions his obsession (omg ur so gay Naruto stop humping my leg). And the worst thing is Naruto’s answer: “NOOO WE DIE TOGEHER after buttfucking”. I can’t believe this shit actually happened.
- Kishi said through Kakashi, one of the wisest characters in the series, that the Sharingan was said to descend from the Byakugan, but this got retconned a few chapters ago - not anymore, the sharingan descends from the sage’s rinnegan, and fuck the byakugan
- Sasuke survives with absolutely no chakra against deidara, against a nuke. Possibly biggest asspull in the series.
- Kisame knew Gai was a taijutsu user from fighting him not once but twice, yet suddenly loses half his braincells during their last fight, forgets this little fact and loses because of it.
- The moon goes around the earth. Madara's plan is hypnotizing everyone on earth with a moon-sharingan. Derp.
- Naruto forgot about Hinata. Chapter count: over 100
- Pain is later revealed to be Naruto’s distant cousin from the Uzumaki clan
- His father, his mother, a fox, a crow, a frog and his dark persona live in Naruto’s belly, with Bee and his octopus popping by for visits.
- Itachi could have kidnapped Sasuke all this time, or at least told him the truth about Konoha, and the truth about Madara, and prevent all this faggotry, but Kishi wanted to milk it
- 600 billion exploding pieces of paper would cover about 14% of the earth’s surface. And it IS fucking retarded.
Forced drama is another way of saying melodrama.
After we had laid down our arms, in November 1918, a policy was adopted which in all human probability was bound to lead gradually to our complete subjugation. Analogous examples from history show that those nations which lay down their arms without being absolutely forced to do so subsequently prefer to submit to the greatest humiliations and exactions rather than try to change their fate by resorting to arms again.
- Suddenly, ever dead person who ever mattered and a few who didn’t (including Haku, Zabuza and all the Akatsuki) are revived by a bullshit ressurection jutsu, rendering their deaths completely impactless. As if it wasn’t bad enough, the only way to defeat these zombies is with the power of friendship. No, really.
- Sasuke’s incredibly dumb and flawed reasoning of allying with Madara and attacking Konoha to get revenge for his brother (which Sasuke himself killed in the first place), even though that’s the one thing his brother specifically didn’t want and he made this damn clear.
- Retcons here are the rule. Sasuke meeting Karin in the forest of death, or Gaara suddenly being able to use sand without Shukaku. Just a few of the numerous examples.
- Naruto twists his ankle by accident (derp) right after getting the biggest powerup in the series, as a convenient excuse to have Gai fight
- The three stooges who are supposed to be strong jounin somehow really think they could capture and properly detain an S rank missing ninja in a wood prison. Did they not learn from their fumble with Kisame? They should know by now that these people won't give out any information, act like real ninjas for once (oh the blasphemy) and go for the kill.
- Naruto still believed he was on a S-ranked ecological mission, despite having Bee and half a dozen strong ninja with him and not knowing jackshit about biology (don’t forget he is the guy who, at the ripe age of 16, thought a pregnant woman was just fat), and spends his time looking at and fondling armadillo penises.
- Seriously? Defeating immortal, regenerating, virtually invincible zombies with the power of friendship? Literally?
etc etc etc
Stop saying "you", we're not shitposting. Just report those retards, like this Naruto guy.
Forced drama is the only time I can think of when /a/ actually uses any "forced" phrase. It's not that big a deal.
That is intelligible on purely human grounds. A shrewd conqueror will always enforce his exactions on the conquered only by stages, as far as that is possible. Then he may expect that a people who have lost all strength of character – which is always the case with every nation that voluntarily submits to the threats of an opponent – will not find in any of these acts of oppression, if one be enforced apart from the other, sufficient grounds for taking up arms again. The more numerous the extortions thus passively accepted so much the less will resistance appear justified in the eyes of other people, if the vanquished nation should end by revolting against the last act of oppression in a long series. And that is specially so if the nation has already patiently and silently accepted impositions which were much more exacting.
The fall of Carthage is a terrible example of the slow agony of a people which ended in destruction and which was the fault of the people themselves.
Can we agree already that Naruto is the biggest Mary Sue Japan has ever “graced” us with? His mom is special and bears a special chakra, his dad is special and is the most special hokage, his love interest is the most special guy of the special clan of special people with special eyes, his teachers are special, his master was special, his techniques ( lol rasengan and shadow clone ) are super jounin S-RANK+ special, the ways he trains to achieve his special powerups are also special, his special tailed-beast is the most special of them all, his destiny is special as he is the special child of the special prophecy, both his chakras are special in a specially large quantity, his whole lineage is special down to the oldest known relative (the most special guy ever until now), the enemies he’s supposed to fight are the most special, the speeches he makes are so special they manage to convince even the villains that he’s special, everything about him is special, now even the plants and trees, the fucking PLANTS AND TREES, agree that he’s special. And then the faggot goes and BEFRIENDS the nine-tailed fox and all the other furries. Hurr durr "light personified".
In his Three Articles of Faith Clausewitz expressed this idea admirably and gave it a definite form when he said: "The stigma of shame incurred by a cowardly submission can never be effaced. The drop of poison which thus enters the blood of a nation will be transmitted to posterity. It will undermine and paralyse the strength of later generations." But, on the contrary, he added: "Even the loss of its liberty after a sanguinary and honourable struggle assures the resurgence of the nation and is the vital nucleus from which one day a new tree can draw firm roots.
The end of Pain's Arc was outright retarded. The very basic message was, if you want to end a cycle of hatred then it has to stop with you. There's only significance in that, when you take shit for it, like when some dick punches you in the face and you just take it in order to be the bigger man and not stoop to his level. But fuck, your nose still bleeds, shit hurts, and people laugh while calling you a pussy. It's unpleasant to say the least.
By Pain reviving everyone, he took out all the significance of that sentiment. He took out all the suffering Naruto would've had to endure by being the bigger man and ending the cycle of hatred. To the point, Naruto STILL doesn't truly understand the meaning of sacrifice which is the dividing factor between him and Sasuke.
Pain didn't delve deeply into any of those subjects. All he did was angst about how the current system was unfair (yes he is emo). That's it. Even when his ideology is successfully challenged, he doesn't go beyond the surface and the simple reason why Doflamingo's 'justice' speech is better than any and all of Pain's dialogue is because it addresses two things Naruto shies away from. The first is that the people at the top define what 'justice' means whereas Naruto tries to push the childish idea that there is some kind of universal justice. Likewise, Naruto takes it for granted that people want peace, when this is not always the case. The people who don't want peace are 'bad' al la Marada or their ideology is wrong al la Sasuke. There's no middle ground in Naruto.
Plus Pain suddenly reviving everyone was really fucking stupid; it cheapened all future deaths, and little did we know at the time that it wouldn't be the last time a mass-revival would happen.
They say "forced drama" because "melodrama" sounds too tame.
Naturally a nation which has lost all sense of honour and all strength of character will not feel the force of such a doctrine. But any nation that takes it to heart will never fall very low. Only those who forget it or do not wish to acknowledge it will collapse. Hence those responsible for a cowardly submission cannot be expected suddenly to take thought with themselves, for the purpose of changing their former conduct and directing it in the way pointed out by human reason and experience. On the contrary, they will repudiate such a doctrine, until the people either become permanently habituated to the yoke of slavery or the better elements of the nation push their way into the foreground and forcibly take power away from the hands of an infamous and corrupt regime. In the first case those who hold power will be pleased with the state of affairs, because the conquerors often entrust them with the task of supervising the slaves. And these utterly characterless beings then exercise that power to the detriment of their own people, more cruelly than the most cruel-hearted stranger that might be nominated by the enemy himself.
Even back in the day when it's characters weren't sameface, they most surely were unappealing and whiney (Naruto is a generic ADD shonen hero only even more boring and with extra teenage angst and butthurt, Sasuke is emo and fangirl bait, Sakura is one of the most annoying and useless female characters in all of shonen. Stereotypical tsundere to the main character, pink hair, has a crush on a character which is her only motivation for even trying to do anything).
The action and fights are forgettable on the most part. In the beginning Naruto had a few interesting fights but couldn't really hold his own against any enemies. This is still better than him turning into an overpowered character that uses Rasengan to solve all of his problems.
Story started out rather intriguing though nothing unique by any stretch- ninja school friendship dumb outcast kid trying to become something important blah blah blah. It then spiraled downward into being something out of an obese emo fangirl's fanfiction with lots of ANGST and DARKNESS.
As if the series wasn’t already an abomination, there is also the fanbase, and half of it consists of teenage boys who think its "holy shit epic" because it's the only anime they've ever seen (and they watched the english dub) and because they have no taste or concept of what a well developed story should be.
The even worse half of the fanbase consists of drooling fangirls with ninja headbands and wardrobes entirely bought at hot topic who will become extremely enraged and might try to eat you if you insult their husbando Sasuke-kun or insult their 75 part fanfiction about their mary sue "Charlotte DeGradia Izumi Inami Asami" who has a nine tailed persian cat living inside her and has giant tits.
The events which happened subsequent to 1918 in Germany prove how the hope of securing the clemency of the victor by making a voluntary submission had the most disastrous influence on the political views and conduct of the broad masses. I say the broad masses explicitly, because I cannot persuade myself that the things which were done or left undone by the leaders of the people are to be attributed to a similar disastrous illusion. Seeing that the direction of our historical destiny after the war was now openly controlled by the Jews, it is impossible to admit that a defective knowledge of the state of affairs was the sole cause of our misfortunes. On the contrary, the conclusion that must be drawn from the facts is that our people were intentionally driven to ruin. If we examine it from this point of view we shall find that the direction of the nation’s foreign policy was not so foolish as it appeared; for on scrutinizing the matter closely we see clearly that this conduct was a procedure which had been calmly calculated, shrewdly defined and logically carried out in the service of the Jewish idea and the Jewish endeavour to secure the mastery of the world.
From 1806 to 1813 Prussia was in a state of collapse. But that period sufficed to renew the vital energies of the nation and inspire it once more with a resolute determination to fight. An equal period of time has passed over our heads from 1918 until to-day, and no advantage has been derived from it. On the contrary, the vital strength of our State has been steadily sapped.
Seven years after November 1918 the Locarno Treaty was signed.
Thus the development which took place was what I have indicated above. Once the shameful Armistice had been signed our people were unable to pluck up sufficient courage and energy to call a halt suddenly to the conduct of our adversary as the oppressive measures were being constantly renewed. The enemy was too shrewd to put forward all his demands at once. He confined his duress always to those exactions which, in his opinion and that of our German Government, could be submitted to for the moment: so that in this way they did not risk causing an explosion of public feeling. But according as the single impositions were increasingly subscribed to and tolerated it appeared less justifiable to do now in the case of one sole imposition or act of duress what had not been previously done in the case of so many others, namely, to oppose it. That is the ‘drop of poison’ of which Clausewitz speaks. Once this lack of character is manifested the resultant condition becomes steadily aggravated and weighs like an evil inheritance on all future decisions. It may become as a leaden weight around the nation’s neck, which cannot be shaken off but which forces it to drag out its existence in slavery.
ITT one lonely neckbeard with too much time on his hands tries to bump a thread off /a/ instead of just hiding it like a normal person