So, what's /a/'s opinion on this show? Good? Bad? Less than average? Planning to watch it but not so sure if I should. What do you think /a/?
One of the best recently, Honestly watch it you won't regret it.
The story is brilliant.
Squealer is the hero we need.
Squealer is best girl.
Wow, this much positive feedback, honestly, I never expected /a/ to agree on something so unitedly, but thanks for the opinion. Gonna check it out now
Unremarkable characters, asspull ending.
It was AotY for me.
Very good, probably my favorite from last year. Though I can see why people would be put off by the slow-ish start
>squealer was right
first anime I couldn't tell the characters apart too
That's because you've only watched 5 anime, anon.
I don't think you're ready to start voicing your opinions.
It has some pacing issues, and quite a bit of QUALITY.
Nice ad hominem.
A bit boring at times but the ending makes it all worth it.
Awesome premise, disappointingly left a lot of questions unanswered, great themes and very entertaining.
Haha, wow, you're not bright if you didn't see how to resolve the series at least a few episodes before the end.
This is, easily, one of my favourite series of all time. It has its flaws though, the animation was always kinda meh but in some scenes they spended all the budget (which I suspect they didn't have so much).
It's based on a series of novels, if you read them you'd comprehend better, the anime butchered a lot of explanations. They live in a quite fucked world.
It's great. I think a lot of people dropped it due to the pacing when it originally aired, but if you watch more than one episode each sitting, you won't have a problem with that. Awesome setting and buldup makes it one of the best anime in the previous years. Watch it.
Squealer is a fucking villain and I don't get the people who defend him. He deserves to be maimed and tortured. Fuck that guy.
Nice ad hominem from you too, hypocrite
In my top 3
Isn't it just ONE novel? That's not translated from Japanese? I would love to read it, but wikipedia mentions no translation.
The soundtrack is pretty great.
FUCK OFF. SQUEALER WAS RIGHT
Thank you. I fucking hated Squealer the whole way through, there's no redeeming qualities about him.
Can you actually try to understand meaning of the phrase before you start blindly throwing pseudo-insults around?
Think about this, /a/ has the same united positive opinion of Boku no Pico. Take from that what you will.
it was ok
just based on how hard people shitpost ssy threads, I'm going to guess it's the best anime ever.
the ending was really bad. In the end, what was the message? everything went on as it initially did, meaning that saki is such a shit mc to not be able to change a thing. In fact, she's the reason for the whole thing turning to shit in the village.
I cringed so hard when she set psychobuster on fire.
>went through a perilous journey to save everyone
>had her menses at the climax
the show had so much hope. I in fact, prefer clearly the initial episodes despite the slow pacing. they at least make sense. the whole queerat arc might have been too long though.
Just finished watching it 20 minutes ago.
It isnt really that much feels. I only shed a tear one time and it was when pic related.( dont watch if you havnt seen the show).
The story is great, the scenes and animation are also really good. But it isnt that much feels. It starts out to be a pretty lame story but it actually is pretty as the story develops.
not 10/10 because of ski-episodes
fuck maria jumping 2 fucking episodes.
It's a good show, but it's hard to discuss on /a/ because "hurr durr yaoi shit"
Monster rats were humans that were under the thumb of crazy power wielding people who made them call them "gods" and would wipe out entire colonies for any reason at all. If you wouldn't have rebelled like squealer you're the most beta slave bitch I've ever met.
Hating on bunny jumping maria? wow me too, it was funny at least.
Serious spoilers, OP. Don't open it unless you want a major event to be spoiled. I mean seriously major.
He kidnapped a kid, killed her parents, and turned her into a brainwashed killing machine Then he exploited her in order to kidnap more kids to brainwash. All this so he could kill an entire (superior) species. He betrayed the trust that had been granted him, and he went straight for genocide instead of being diplomatic, like ANY SENSIBLE faction should do before engaging in manslaughter.
Also queerats aren't people. They threw away their right to human rights when they decided to attack the villages outright.
>the ending was really bad. In the end, what was the message?
Have you even watched the last episode.. or are you just retarded?
You only think that because he's a queerat. If Squealer was a human, say Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum in ID4, then everyone would call him a hero. Squealer was fighting a war of species survival. The only way that queerats could gain their freedom was the extinction of humanity because they weren't dealing with normal conquerors or enslavers, they were dealing with people who could literally blow them all up in a blink of an eye.
Don't you mean the ending was really GOOD? It went to show how stagnant their society was, but also that it actually worked. That's the reason she tells the story, so that the future humans could learn from their mistakes and improve themselves. The humans manage to live with fucking mutating beams shooting out of their heads. Their world is bound to be fucked up, yet they manage to function.
You really need to watch the show or just the ending again because everything you just said is not valid
I like how it portrayed being a fag as an unnatural thing that you get brainwashed into. Great anime by the way.
queerats were derived from human, saki killed squeeler to save him from pain. so what? there is no good conclusion as to what saki improved in her village.
just because there is a message, doesnt make it good. me saying "what was the message?" was just backhand for "this is so full of shit"
Only reason I watched this was because of a bet, jesus it was absolute garbage 2deep4u shit.
Only episodes I enjoyed were like episodes 4 and 5 where they get lost as kids and do cool stuff.
Crap pacing, crap directing. Thing was lucky to have some solid source material.
First of all, they are humans, the same humans as us. Saki and her people are fucking abortion with power.
Yes, he killed a lot of people but it was NECESSARY. Look at how the "humans" treated the queerats. They were tortured EVERY DAY. Squealer wanted freedom, he wanted rights.
>Being Diplomatic against your overlords who can and have killed thousands of your people in the past.
I'm sure if he just asked for freedom they'd have let him live and given him the freedom, I mean, why wouldn't t they?Except the whole having queerats revealed as Humans would fuck up their own society in which they keep information like that hidden
It gets good around episode four or five.
What are you talking about? The ending was full of hope for a dystopia.
no, it's backhand for: I'm too immature to appreciate a story that doesn't have a clear moral shoved down my throat.
yes that was what I thought. but the execution was unacceptable for me. I reaffirm my view again that the initial episodes were good, some plotholes every now and there especially with the full capability of cantus, and saki is without doubt a shit mc
Episode 1 was already great.
Then there's a timeskip, everyone turns ultra gay and goes back to being shit.
It was the AOTY with the episode of the year too.
It's been a LONG time since something this original that was actually good came out.
And don't fucking drop it like a fag when you see people of the same sex kiss for literally 5 seconds of a single episode.
I will find you and punch you in the face if you do.
But the humans would never do that. Don't come here with the "they could do it at any time". They never did in the 250 years they had lived together or whatever. Unless there was a major transgression, like attacking a human, a colony wouldn't face too harsh consequences. Even after a full on attack on humanity, the queerat species survived due to the humans' empathy. The queerats would've been in a better spot without Squealer. Honorable queerats like Kiroumaru could've made a case to improve the relationship between queerats and humans, and with time, their situation could've improved through diplomatic relations. Squealer was too hasty, and his species suffered because of him, and him alone.
The last episode was the best ending episode in Anime I have ever seen
Ep 19 is great.
It picked up when this guy directed an episode everyone complained about and the entire series changed style and pacing
Three books. Someone is traslating them.
Considering that the humans had the special ability and the vermin did not, why did squealer still reason that they were equal?
Look at how they were treated? The anime shows us very little of how queerats were treated. The only real relations between queerats and humans we saw was between the MCs and the queerats they met. And they treated them kindly. There's not even anything that indicates that they were slaves. Squealer's faction didn't even help the humans with manual labour. They were just affraid of being wiped out, so they struck first. But the human society had NO reason to wipe out the queerats, so Squealer's fears were ungrounded.
What questions were left unanswered?
As I said here. You only say that because he's not human. He kidnapped a kid because she was the only means to which queerats could gain their freedom. There is no way to be diplomatic to people who view you as nothing more than just a beast. Most, if not all the people of the district do not know their history and believe that queerats really are just monsters and should worship humans. There is no diplomacy with people who can kill you at the drop of a hat and constantly tell you to call them god. For the freedom of the queerats, humanity had to be wiped out.
As for your last statement, I hope you realise how hypocritical that sounds.
wut. The queerat race existed after the Rebellion because Kiroumaru cut a deal.
Fuck. Yes. I need this. Thank you. I love you.
You forgot a lot of things then. Rewatch episode 1 again
She didn't improve shit in her village, she improved the future of mankind you spastico
that logic could be put out to face save just about any anime out there. of course if you look hard enough you might be able to see something but its just something you force yourself to see in order to say those 26 episodes were not a waste.
call me immature or shit tasted or whatever. the whole arc past maria missing was rushed, had some illogical progression, the conclusion was poor or poorly executed, and saki is a shit mc.
if saki is a shit mc was something intended, i apologize. there was not even acceptable pondering on her part to reflect back what she had done, as if she's congenitally stupid.
The last statement was more bait than anything. For the fun of it.
Why waste time watching shows when you don't even pay attention.
Even if he was human, I wouldn't have supported Squealer's fear-based genocidal actions.
or you're just shitposting for the fun of it.
They were not equal. But in terms of social values, they are. Basically, its like poor should have the same values as rich. They obviously dont but fundamentally it should be that way in a perfect world.
What im trying to say is that Squealer is infact a communist.
Saki saved a lot more than the Giant Hornet colony's queen. In other words, she must've been inclined to not wipe out the queerats in the first place.
You really foresaw Saki burning up the psychobuster because >MAH MORALS and then having the queerat commit sudoku?
Amazing setting, pretty terrible execution.
how so? she had no impact on her world other than triggering the tragedy and putting an end to it. queerats still remain slaves and everything went on as normal. nothing changed.
>I will find you and punch you in the face if you do.
With your girly fists? Come at me faggot!
thanks for your insightful reply. was fun conversing with you.
THIS BAIT IS INSANE IN THA MEMBRANE BRO
You forgot your image anon.
The rats were human.
Maybe I should. It's been a while.
Exactly, that's my point. Squealer was wrong.
>she improved the future of mankind
She WROTE A BOOK in hope that someone not as retarded appears in the future, reads it and fixes shit.
No, but the part about the mirror and the kill feedback being applied to queerats and not humans was clear as day to me.
They werent human, they originated from humans, but they werent human.
No need for images, we're all little girls here.
>my black friend loves squealer
>white friends hate squealer
Squealer was always ambitious. And all the queerats were scared of humans, it's normal to want freedom and a live without fear.
But, the human society was rotten. In order to survive they had to live in fear as well, brainwashed, killing kids.
Knowledge was a weapon here. The team where Saki and co were was a special team, since they were being raised to be the new leaders, so they were educated in a different way. They could have their own opinions, they searched for ways to know the truth. And they did. And they understood all the fear of their society and how weak it really is, even with all their powers.
Squealer gets knowledge too. He can be an ambitious person, but he finds a way to know more, to do more, and he does it, because whatever he sacrifices, it will be in order to reach the freedom they want. In the manga the queerats explicitly catch a minoushiro. And I guess they did it too in the novels, or in the anime, because there's no other way of gain all that knowledge, and he used it well against the cantus users.
I thought Saki learned immortality PK.
They didn't wipe out the queerats because they needed them to kill off any potential akki, etc. But both Squealer and Kiromaru talk about whole colonies being wiped out at the whims of humans. There is no equality or any chance of freedom or anything like that in that type of environment. No, the queerat species survived because Saki used her influence to save them due to the fact that kiromaru helped them. Look at everyone's reaction when Squealer said that he wasn't a kemono. Again there is no diplomatic relations. Look at how they lived their lives: they need to get permission to go to war and do battle. They have to call the humans gods. The humans didn't give a fuck about queerat affairs. During the meeting, all the leaders looked bored as fuck.
>have a species
>oh shit nigga I created a new species
>new species wants the be like the original even though they are a new one
They were genetically different in so many ways but they were not in any way a part of the human species, just because they share parts of our genes. There are many different species of a race, and that's what they were, an inferior subspecies that should've known their place.
How can Squealer be wrong? You cant be right or wrong when it comes to war since Squealer obviously had his reasons.
Squealer wanted save his colony. Thats it. How does that make him wrong?
>Humans have genes
>Bananas share a shitload oh the human genes
>therefore bananas are humans
She's a she in the anime.
What the fuck are you talking about? There were exactly zero queerats in episode 1.
He was wrong saying that the queerats were human therefore they deserved/entitled to the same status as humans.
That's one nice a̶s̶s̶ face you got there.
No he's not.
too bad he has a dick
Well, as the other guy said, squeer is a communist.
And wasn't it they were close to human and then genetically modified to be lesser?
They aren't that inferior since they managed to make weapons and armour and use actual tactics.
Girls are amazing. Story and mood are nice. Antagonists are great. Good show. Art is terrible, good and interesting at the same time.
>whims of humans
The talk about how they COULD be wiped out at the whims of humans. As the anime clearly showcased, the punishment of cueerats is a very elaborate process, with only a few specific people allowed to take action once a rule has been broken.
>They have to call the humans gods.
They did that of their own free will because they believed the humans to be gods. Not as in God, but as gods (kami), which is more like a being with control over nature, which humans certainly had to a degree.
>The humans didn't give a fuck about queerat affairs.
Then why did they regulate them? If they didn't care, they would've just wiped them all out at the most minor transgression. Destroying a colony was the harshest punishment for the worst crimes.
The art and animation was not terrible in my opinion. There were some QUALITY, yeah, but it was very... very creative.
I don't think that's a he... At least, I don't want to believe so.
His colony didn't need saving. But in the end, it was destroyed because of Squealer.
I think you need to rewatch the show if thats your argument.
It was racism. Just like how the blacks were slaves and treated like they were piles of shit. Squealer fought for his people and equality. Yes he went overboard but the it was the only way.
>The talk about how they COULD be wiped out at the whims of humans.
No Kiroumaru talked about colonies that WERE destroyed, not COULD when he was explaining to Saki why he wanted to get WMDs from old Tokyo.
So is SSY worth a watch?
best anime in recent years
The queerat affairs group was a recent creation if I remember correctly.
Shit was fucking good dude. I remember how /a/ was the day it ended.
>so is AOTY/S/C worth a watch?
gee...I don't know
yup, I have to get around to watch the BDrip, they animation was improved a lot according to some anons
Yes / No / Maybe.
Saved you some time so you don't have to wait for full range of opinions so now GTFO and go watch SSY.
>tfw the best girl of this show is a granny
this was a really great show, I recommend it
Pretty sure it's explicitly stated in the anime that its a she.
The sales is shit, so it must be good.
just so you know shit does not happen until 3 or 5 episodes in.
All right then, time to torrent. Thanks for the help.
Who fucking cares, you'd hit that anyway
>That ultimate sacrifice
So the "yaoi"spamfag isn't online?
It's different when you marathon it than when you watch it weekly, espeically if you watch a good chunk of episodes in succession. You won't feel the drag of episodes.
>implying blacks fought for their rights
Most of the time Whites did it or Whites let them have it.
Did she end up teaching Saki how to become immortal? I don't think it was brought up again in the show.
Saki also talk about 'her' later.
> [HorribleSubs] ImoCho - Another Shitty Sister Manga Adaptation - 02 [720p].mkv
I give it 70 more posts before he becomes aware.
Of course she did. Trickster cat semen.
How do you manage to enjoy this?
It was shit.
Decent adaption of a great book.
Pacing is sort of iffy, occasional QUALITY, gay kiss made /a/ flip shit, fantastic ending.
Dunno about the anime or the novels but in the manga she learns to do that.
well, I suck at this
Great premise. Everything else was pure shit. Especially the shitty character design.
That big rat guy was a fucking bro though.
Because it was good, very good
You means the days when it ended. The threads were in a row for atleast 5 days non-stop.
It's great. Some (major) inconsistencies in episode quality, but overall good.
Unlike some of you insecure fucks, I was undeterred by the homolust scenes, so it did not ruin anything in the slightest. If you know anything about Bonobos, you should've expected this.
That ending man
people had to get it out of their system.
You are probably culled off from metaphysicsl thinkin and thus not able to comprehend the smalles of themes. Bet you hate EVA also.
>Unlike some of you insecure fucks, I was undeterred by the homolust scenes
It's mostly a tempest in a teacup.
There was a thread about this a week or two ago when some fag claimed how half the internet dropped the show because of the scenes.
He was quickly proven wrong by numbers from Nyaa.
Best anime of 2012 and one of the best of the last decade.
>there are people on /a/ who don't think Squealer was right
I didn't understand the big deal, especially since it was followed by a three minute yuri scene
I cant have been the only one that wanted to see more of the time period with the crazy emperors and people going mad with their power.
Yakumaru was right in trying to rebel, but how do expect me to think that the non-humans should have won. We are humans.
Nah, I wanted to see more too.
Fuck, I felt bad for the leader of the rebellion. Finally freeing his people from tyranny, only to have them turned into mutated subhumans.
my problem with the homo episode was that it was boring as shit
>Not getting turned on by homolust
what are you gay?
They are trolling the reverse trolls trolling this show since it aired.
Well, she said that she'd do it when Saki came back from skiing. So we can assume she did it during the 12 year time gap.
I feel I would like it as book, but as anime I couldn't watch it past few first episodes. Even though I couldn't do it, I think it's unique series and worth a try.
But they're humans
Their ancestors, sure. They're obviously not at this point.
more human than the psychohomoapes
>but how do expect me to think that the non-humans should have won
Rats were more human then most cantus users in everything besides appearance and even that was something that someone with power forced upon them.
They didn't have fucked up powers making them a walking nuclear bombs that need severe brain washing and constant checks just to 'normally' function inside society .
Didn't treat ancient knowledge as taboo.
Wanted to be treated like equals not like slaves and fought against incredible odds.
They're as human as you and me. The scientists were scared shitless of the chance that those without telekinesis could kill them, and stripped them of their identities.
The only crime of the queer rats was wanting equal treatment.
But they ugly.
What exactly sets them apart from humans so much, besides their appearance?
You're new and you should lurk more. I don't give a fuck if you watch it or not, making an entire thread about if you should or not is retarded.
I wanted more of it as well.
Great story, unfortunately the setting is more interesting than the characters themselves.
I still loved it though
No, I just recently watched it. What I say is true. Humans posed no threat to queerats that followed the rules.
As the viewpoint of a human but not of an queerat.
There are a lot of people who don't seem to have even a basic understand evolution or classification.
So they don't understand that the humans who first had Juryoku are still humans, as much as any human before them, just with an (implausible) genetic mutation.
They think that at that instant in one generation those humans split off from the humans as a separate group and species entirely which is ridiculous.
Then they think that when that Juryoku group performed relatively minor genetic modifications on themselves to affect their behaviours that's somehow also put them even further outside our species, despite the fact that they're so similar to us they'd undoubtedly still be able to produce viable offspring with non-juryoku humans.
Meanwhile, the Bakenezumi were extensively modified to the point where they are at least as similar to naked mole rats in terms of their physiology as they are to us, they could never produce viable offspring with humans, look at their queens for crying out loud, tell me that's human.
And yet this confused group of viewers somehow thinks that no classification line has been crossed in this case.
Of course, it shouldn't matter who the humans are or aren't, they're both intelligent sentient species capable of doing good or bad, and the Juryoku humans have certainly done their fair share of bad.
>They're as human as you and me
That's so far from the truth it hurts. Unless you're ugly rat creatures. They share the same amount of chromosomes as us, but other than that, there's basically no similarities between them, genetically. The whole point of the queerat species was to make them not human so they could be targeted with cantus.
>Humans posed no threat to queerats that followed the rules.
Don't forget that this is coming from THE most loyal qeerat that sacrificed his own life and saved the whole cantus user population.
They already had enough trouble dealing with the story at hand to go back to pointless flashbacks.
I am not afraid of Russia or the US just because they have nuclear weapons. I know they have no reason to fire them at my country, that does not have any nuclear weapons at all. So I know exactly how it is, because I'm basically a queerat in this situation (minus how humans treated the queerats).
that's explained in the novel
people did't get death feedback even if they killed them
they are animals
I loved it actually.
The pacing had some hiccups, and the animation quality had a weird range from stellar to quality. Overall though it was good and kept my interest.
I just wish the manga wasn't a pile of fanservice shit.
You have that backwards.
They were changed from 'normal' non cantus humans so the cantus users can slaughter them indiscriminately without suffering DF.
Do you even know what obscure means? Obscure does not mean "on a whim" or "without reason". It means unclear. The fact that the rules were unclear is the fault of the humans, but that does not mean they weren't defined clearly. And even though the queerats thought the rules were obscure, they didn't bother to to have them plainly laid out before they decided to kill every human in Japan.
>why did they regulate them
Because nips can't imagine a society without bureaucrats.
>I am not afraid of Russia or the US just because they have nuclear weapons
>his country haven't been buttfucked by Russia or the US multiple times
Death feedback isn't magic, it's based entirely on a person's own perceptions, it's not imperfect, one could kill a human unknowingly and receive no death feedback at all, it is ownly at the point that a person believes they have killed a human that they are affected.
This is how the monk received some (albeit reduced) feedback after destroying the false Minoshiro with the human hologram.
So whether or not death feedback works or not is not a good way to determine anything other than how the victim looks to the perpetrator.
That said, the Queerats are descended from humans and Queerats, but not human themselves.
Good, gay, but good.
Except that Kiromaru explicitly states otherwise.
The rats were humans.
Squealer didn't mean it in the biological sense.
>The fact that the rules were unclear is the fault of the humans, but that does not mean they weren't defined clearly.
Make up your mind anon. Humans were at fault for unclear rules but that doesn't mean the rules were unclear clear?
Are you're trying to say stupid rats are to blame for not getting the rules?
We have oil, and we're perfectly positioned between communism and capitalism, so both the US and Russia wants us to be their best buds. The Russians fucked up our northern territories during the war, though.
We'd need a new word for what he means if we actually had other sapient/ sentient species like Queerats.
It was great, apart from some QUALITY and pacing issues. I personally liked the horror elements with the fiends/karma demons/queerats most.
Squealer was wrong.
I guess you are right from a purely biological viewpoint. Though I can't help but think "being human" entails more than just physiology.
Meanwhile, this post appeared as I'm trying to solve the captcha.
The rules were unclear for the queerats, but that doesn't mean they weren't clearly defined by the humans. The fact that queerats and humans speak different languages and humans barely bother learning the queerat language means that the queerats would need to learn a difficult writen language like Japanese. The language barrier might have been part of the problem.
>and we're perfectly positioned between communism and capitalism,
Clueless norwegian who thinks Russia is still communist detected.
You and Sweden can thank Finland for holding your backs.
Saki has a Godly resolve to not be plagued by the insane amount of PTSD all of that would of caused.
I hereby decree that the next sentient beings on Earth shal be dubbed queerats, no matter what they look like. Why ARE humans the only self-aware beings on Earth anyways?
You're extrapolating way to far. You're making up some kind of language barrier issue which was clearly not the case. In context, its obvious that he is trying to say that the reasons are unclear because there are none; it was done on a whim or simply because it was preferable for the humans at the time.
Aw, you figured it out too quickly.
That's because you live somewhere that probably hasn't been buttfucked by the US or Russia, and you know that if either of them nuked a city where you live, there'd be severe repercussions. The same does not apply to queerats.
Who said that they didn't? The rules could be simply: do not do anything that goes against your role in the world. Do not try to harm or hurt humans, etc. And then you ahve whole villages getting killed because a queerat threatened a human by looking at them wrong, or a queerat didn't bow down to a human who had a bad day because his wife fucked the milkman.
So you say it's ok if someone with overwhelming power who is basically untouchable by other side makes up some rules they won't bother to communicate clearly to their 'slaves' and uses mass genocide as punishment for breaking the rules?
You see nothing wrong with this picture?
To me it looks like a farce.
>Why ARE humans the only self-aware beings on Earth anyways?
There are chimpanzees, dogs, dolphins and niggers too y'know.
Saki was very clear on the fact that wiping a colony was the harshest punishment for the worst transgressions. In other words, they have clear guidelines when it comes to queerat behaviour.
Anime of the year by those with high tier taste.
I think ultimately it's not possible to judge who was right and wrong. It came down to two groups fighting for survival. You cannot blame either of them, but you can judge their methods.
I think Squealer's biggest fault is that his goal was the complete eradication of Cantus wielders, whereas the Cantus wielders never wanted to eradicate all queerats. Personall, I side with the Cantus wielders because I actually like their society quite a lot, once you survive your childhood it seems really chill and actually fairly utopian (but then again I like the Brave New World too). Meanwhile I dislike the queerats for embodying all the flaws of "old" humanity: constant warmongering, cruelty to each other, lust for power (despite all he said about equal rights you cannot deny Squealer was a power-hungry little shit of a dictator).
Well, first off, might makes right. Can't argue about that. Since queerats didn't have might, they were lower than humans. The SECOND they obtain something that they could combat humans with, they decide to kill every single one.
You don't see anything wrong with that picture? Going straight for violence? You are basically saying that the queerats were right for launching surprise attacks on civilians before trying diplomacy. Try that in the real world, and I don't think you'd be as enthusiastic.
Saki doesn't know the entire truth of society's history. Queerats on the other hand don't live in a society that gets brainwashed and constantly suppresses history. Kimomaru's statement is more trustworthy than Saki.
I meant sapient. English isn't my strongest point.
Remember that all children born without Cantus get fed to the Tainted cats.
The scientists are more fucked up than the Emperors. The scientists turned humans into mutants so they could kill them with no death feedback so they could control Japan/the world in peace. PKs are the cancer killing humanity
Saki worked directly with the directives associated with queerat punishment. We even clearly saw that only a few people had the authorization to take action against queerats. Even Satoru said so during their summer camp adventures with Squealer.
Free sex >>> the wellbeing of lesser creatures
They didn't do it so they could rule in peace. They did it so they could live in peace. There's no denying they changed the humans so that they could make use of them as labour or something, though.
>You don't see anything wrong with that picture? Going straight for violence?
You mean after decades / centuries of slavery and genocide?
You don't really think that rats, even the loyal ones like Kiroumaru would search for ways to kill all cantus users if they were treated better / like equals do you?
AOTY if not that shitty budget
>omega male logic
>You cannot blame either of them
Except those who were so afraid of non-cantus users that they made them into ugly rat-creatures living underground. But that was some years before the story, so...
>queerats lusting for power
It seems to me like that's exactly what the humans are doing. Going so far as to mindcontrol your own population? They pass it off as a means to survival, but is there really nothing more behind it?
How are the odds of 'normal' /a/non making it to adulthood without becoming catfood?
Think about that for a while.
I don't think they would, no, but I don't think they tried anything else, either. They showed no signs of trying diplomacy. The humans might be stubborn, but they aren't cruel or stupid. They only want to live their lives in peace.
>mindcontrol your own population? They pass it off as a means to survival, but is there really nothing more behind it?
Even if there were ulterior motives the story makes it clear over and over again that those measures are necessary to prevent just a single child wiping out all of reality.
>nothing more behind it?
No. There's no poverty in Shin Sekai Yori. Everybody is equal. They have equal rights and opportunities. Utopian, as that guy said. Their only problems are fiends and karma demons, and they go to great lengths to never have to face them. The fact that the indoctrination didn't start after the first fiend in their society appeared is proof enough.
>They showed no signs of trying diplomacy.
Oh please all might gods who controls my destiny and can blow me up to small bloody chunks the second I blink without your approval, treat me, ugly rat creature your ancestors mutated so you can mass murder us like equals.
What a fine joke that would be. Whole Ethics committee would be laughing while Squeeler's bloody remains would drip from the ceiling.
Live and rule, same thing. They're effectively ruling over the queerats.
I liked the premise and the art style, but the story wasn't interesting enough for me. But since this is a novel adaption, the books are most likely better. Maybe I'll read them sometime.
Anime, LN or manga?
If you can into moon or have patience to wait for translation go for the novel.
If you can't go for anime.
If you want to fap furiously go for the manga.
It's an actual novel.
>Whole Ethics committee would be laughing while Squeeler's bloody remains would drip from the ceiling.
No, it would be more like whole Ethics committee would be laughing while Squeeler walks away crying.
The humans weren't bloodthirsty monsters who would kill the rats on a whim.
LN ja nai
Let's make a comparison with nuclear weapons. Bear with me, it works (I think).
One group has a lot of nukes (humans with cantus). Another group is without nukes (queerats). The group with nukes bullies the other group, and sometimes wipes out a city if the other group does not behave. Suddenly, a long time after the latest nuke launch, the other group kills a bunch of guards guarding a nuke, and launches it towards the group with nukes. They cannot retaliate because reasons.
Two wrongs does not make one right. Sure, it sucked to be the queerats, but they were in no immediate threat to be wiped out. The humans even spared them after they at least decimated the human population. Squealer's fears grew way out of proportion.
Another reason nukes work is because of unconscious cantus leakage. The "fiend" would've fucked the nearby queerats up with the cantus constantly leaking from her subconscious.
Come to think of it, I have no idea why I used nukes as an example. I'm just ranting now. The gist of it is that we don't agree. I don't think we'll get any further than that today.
Get with the times. Novels are the new good shit.
LNs don't have decent writing you know
Neither faction had much of a choice. The queerats could never have lived as people while even a single human remained, and the humans with telekinesis would have invariably let their ids destroy the world if they hadn't created death feedback, which then required the creation of the queerats for the survival of their own kind.
Also, I'd argue that the ending is pretty nihilistic. They end up breeding even more trickster cats, implying a need to kill even more children, and Saki is left with no choice but perpetuating the system. Even "the power of imagination" is a hollow hope, since the physical manifestation of human imagination as PK/Cantus/Power is exactly what got them into that mess in the first place.
>The humans weren't bloodthirsty monsters
The ones running the show? No, they were pompous, arrogant yet eternally scared wannabe gods.
>Sure, it sucked to be the queerats, but they were in no immediate threat to be wiped out.
Sorry but this is too much.
You just wrote that since there is so many rats it's ok to mass murder a few thousands here and there because you're not killing the whole species?
Ok. This is enough for today. Let's agree to disagree and maybe we'll meet in some other SSY thread.
Thanks for the civil discussion anons.
Flaw in your argument. That flaw lies in the inherent nature of how both groups perceive each other. Humans don't perceive queerats as anything other than kemono. This is a major factor in their dealings with each other. Humans can come to some agreement on the fact that even the most racist humans at some level cannot help but view other humans as still humans. The natives in SA and the Afrikaners could come to some level of reconciliation because as much as the Afrikaners tried to deny it, they at some level still saw the natives as humans. The PKs intentionally turned the non-PKs into queerats to avoid such a problem and allow for no DF. The two cannot be compared because there is an inherent difference between two human groups and a human group vs a group of monsters.
It's nice to discuss SSY without that one yaoi shitposter coming in.
Nearly 250 posts. Feels good
Dropped on episode 7 after seeing the preview of episode 8 on /a/.
Is that caption from the show? I don't remember him saying that. Isn't it from a manga or something?
You cannot be this deluded.
If Saki were in charge things might be different, but any queerat voicing those opinions in front of the ethics committee would be killed outright and quite possibly have their entire colony wiped out just to be sure.
I agree that war was not the answer for the Queerats, the progress Squealer encouraged by reclaiming old human technologies and philosophies was the right direction to go in, but they would still not be treated as equals worthy of debate/diplomacy with the humans until progress was also made within human society.
And unfortunately since the scientists who engineered the Juryoku society fucked everything up by trying to make the humans adapt to life with those powers rather than removing the powers entirely, they obviously weren't willing to give up their godlike abilities, and that's understandable, but it's also the biggest obstacle to a peaceful conclusion.
The humans would need to reach a consensus to engineer the next generation to be born without juryoku and I very much doubt they'd ever put their trust in the Bakenezumi having a Nelson Mandela moment once Juryoku was eradicated.
Basically there's almost no way things could turn out well for both sides, unless the Humans progress technologically alongside the Queerats so that the power balance is equal once Juryoku is gone.
And even then the Queerats will probably be too hungry for revenge.
This is probably the soundest way of looking at it. The existence of juryoku itself was the single factor that caused, directly or indirectly, every single problem in the entire show.
Can you people for a second imagine how queerats lived? Entire life underground trying to not die from some illness or lack of food in mutated after thousand years of PK environment. And then leader of your colony find this walking library and tells everyone what gods living in utopia denied every single one of you from it. Transformed your ancestors into monster slaves and made your life hell?
It's fake. Quote from Greatest man Kurosawa or something like that.
If they got some degree of progress the probably would have been wiped out aswell.
>And unfortunately since the scientists who engineered the Juryoku society fucked everything up by trying to make the humans adapt to life with those powers rather than removing the powers entirely
They did indeed.
I have a question about that actually. Maybe I'm forgetting something mentioned in the show or missing something completely obvious, but here goes:
Why were the non-cantus users turned into queerats again?
Of course, it was so they could still be killed by cantus wielders, who suffer from death-feedback, because people with cantus feared non-cantus users might be attacking them.
But why not just give them death-feedback, too?
Saying it has a slowish start is barely right. I'm on episode 15 and i cannot bring myself to watch the next episode, should i even bother if its been so slow up to this point
>Why were the non-cantus users turned into queerats again?
I think because they didn't want to be mass murderers. Allowing them to live in ignorance was better than outright wiping them out. They were useful too for slavery, scouting and menial stuff, like collecting large samples from the forests and shit.
Also, this is just my idea, but in case cantus users somehow fucked up royally and destroyed themselves humanity wouldn't die out.
>But why not just give them death-feedback, too?
Too abusable and risky. There was a clear rift between non-cantus users and cantus users. Imagine yourself living among demigods and all those problems it would cause. Cantus users and their environments needed to be regulated orderly, like how they lived in distant villages and stuff. Their power was just too great and easily exploitable.
While there's lots of quailte(animation, plot/pacing) it still lays a lot of neat stuff down.
I mean look at all the intense conversation it's started over who's right or wrong. Look at the length of the posts. It's not just ur a fagg typical garbage. It's like thought out and laid conversation.
They were left alone for years after Squealer's experiment in democracy took off, and they progressed at a ridiculous pace, the humans didn't move to destroy them because of this.
The Queerats were actually allowed a large degree of autonomy in regards to their own affairs, as long as they continued to pay tribute to the Humans with workers and worship.
People should note that the Queerats didn't even treat each other equally prior to Squealers "human" rights revelations, they thought nothing of wiping out rival colonies and enslaving the survivors, then making them work themselves to death.
>I mean look at all the intense conversation it's started
Maria is my waifu.
I want to impregnate her.
Your waifu is shit.
>didn't become mass murderers
It was FEAR. Fear is what drives the Cantus society.
Normal humans showed that no matter how powerful they were, they could still be killed by normal humans.
They made them into rats so they could be better controlled.
Death feedback couldn't be given to regular humans.
It worked by making the user subconciously use their PK against themselves to stop their organs from functioning.
>implying Squeeler wasn't the one who introduced the concept of 'spoils of war'
>implying he didn't use his Messiah to wipe out resistance and enslave all the other Colonies to his rule
>implying he didn't send hundreds of rats to their deaths in his attack on the villages
Everything Squeeler did was for power. He didn't care how far he had to go. 'Democracy' and all the other bullshit wasn't for the sake of 'freedom' or what was 'best' for the rats. But rather the tool he saw would give him the best results towards his goal.
As stated earlier:If the Cantus users were nonhuman, and the Rats were human, everyone would relate and sympathize with Squealer's actions.
In Gurren Laggen, at least Genome had a legitimate reason to dominate the humans.
Cantus users just used them for their dirty work(killing risks) and labour.
>underestimating glorious genetic engineering that turned humans into rats
Am I kawaii? uguu~
Don't talk shit about my glorious French Revolution, monarchist scum.
Nice waifu you have there. Are you a rat too?
What a slut
What the fuck are you talking about?
Are you quoting the right person?
First off, Squealer definitely wasn't the one who introduced the concept of spoils of war, back when he was still a lowly underling that was how things were done in Queerat society and had been for centuries, his first description of it was in reference to how it would've been his own fate had his colony fallen.
He most definitely did not use the Messiah to enslave the other rats, because his alliance rivalled the size of the Giant Hornet's before the Messiah awakened to PK, at which point he did use it to crush the remaining opposition, but I never implied otherwise, nor did I say Squealer was right about everything (I was specifically explaining why he should not have gone down the warpath and instead focused on the societal progress he also brought), I'm really confused as to why you directed this at me.
>implying he didn't send hundreds of rats to their deaths in his attack on the villages
Again, I didn't imply anything of the sort.
What does that even mean?
As for whether Squealer truly believed in his cause or just lusted for power, that's not possible to know, I suspect the answer was a mixture of the two, but the way he acted once he was captured would imply to me that he did believe in what he was saying.
I seriously don't understand how this post is directed at me, what the fuck are you talking about?
Everything you said that actually contested things I said was wrong, and everything else is something I don't disagree with so I don't understand what you're getting at by saying it to me.
Just posting to say I'm surprised there's no ss yaoi poster here.
I'm currently trying to get into it as well, mainly because I'm interested in Squealer as a character. Episode 3 and I can't stand the inane main characters, the endless infodumps or that truly stupid rock moving tournament, which had me baffled by how stupid it was. At least the queerats seem to be appearing more and more, but jesus christ, I don't know if I'll be able to stand the other guys much longer.
I think he died of AIDS
Maria had steamy sex in a dark pit around dozens of queerats.
Imagine her covered in grimy dirt and her sandy vagina.
It's very specifically mentioned (not sure when, sorry) that death feedback is a mechanism that uses the cantus to work. If a human kills another human, their own cantus kills them.
Queerats have no cantus, and thus can't have death feedback.
All I can see is you being jelly as fuck
best first 10 minutes ever
Saki isn't that bad, is she? I liked her. But I agree that the tournament was a bit off. I guess it's difficult to picture a game that requires supernatural powers, and show it in an anime.
Was it really their cantus that was the source of the death feedback? I can totally see it being the case, but I was under the impression that it was a biological imperative that caused the body to act up once your subconscious reacted in a certain way.
>But why not just give them death-feedback, too?
only cantus users could have death-feedback
pay more attention to the show
thats mah mommy
I enjoyed this show immensely after the camping arc was over and done with but I feel that the pacing would probably drive someone to utter despair if they tried to get through it quickly.
this little fucker made me so upset when he first showed up
I can see that. But without the child, there wouldn't have been nearly as much conflict. Not to mention, gotta respect a ten year old wrecking shit through a village of supposed "gods" while lol'ing at any kind of resistance
I honestly think it is one of the most well written anime out there.
At first I thought it WAS Maria, and it made me rage so bad.
Really good, better than 99% of the shit that gets discussed daily on /a/. People trying to tell you otherwise are just delusional manchildren who can't got on 5 minutes without their moeblobs and haremshits
It was she in anime.
He in the book.
also the OP is pretty baller
It had one of the best EDs of 2012
Every time this song started to play i just couldn't
It's more to everything else being so shitty, even though it's actually good.