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Can I ask a genuine question, /a/?
Was Naruto really good, or is it all just nostalgia?
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Good up until Zabuza.
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>>100029220
You'll mostly get two answers:
1) It was always shit
2) It was good up until the Chuunin exams
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part 1 was bretty gud
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Good until zabuza/chunin exams then went to shit.

Now delete before someone gets dubs
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I liked part 1, and those hinata bug fillers
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It's shit
Fuck off
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It was always a generic shonen, people who say otherwise just want to have an excuse for liking Naruto at any point, beyond just having shit taste. That said, I don't really care if people have shit taste.
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>>100029262
there is no need to be upset
Naruto is the best thing to happen to anime since boky no pico!
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It was good until zabuza.
As someone that didn't like what dragonball became I was happy to have fights determined by tactics and teamwork rather than power level.
We all know how that turned out.
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It was ok at best.
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>>100029262
>dubs
You mean, like this?
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Naruto is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.

However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the jutsus, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole ninja faggotry and everything about the Naruto world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.

Naruto is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Naruto threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.
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It appeared to have potential until the Chuunin exams.

At that point, the potential was murdered darkly in grim edgy darkness, and it was revealed that the whole thing had merely the pretense of potential.
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>>100029220
Ranged from okay to shit up until Chuunin exams, peaking at Rock Lee vs Garra then never recovering
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Better than moeshit but not actually that good.
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>>100029220

I liked it until the chunin exams or whatever are called
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Shikamari vs Temari

GOTY
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>naruto_vs_sasuke.amv
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>>100029220
Even back in the day when it's characters weren't sameface, they most surely were unappealing and whiney (Naruto is a generic ADD shonen hero only even more boring and with extra teenage angst and butthurt, Sasuke is emo and fangirl bait, Sakura is one of the most annoying and useless female characters in all of shonen. Stereotypical tsundere to the main character, pink hair, has a crush on a character which is her only motivation for even trying to do anything).

The action and fights are forgettable on the most part. In the beginning Naruto had a few interesting fights but couldn't really hold his own against any enemies. This is still better than him turning into an overpowered character that uses Rasengan to solve all of his problems.

Story started out rather intriguing though nothing unique by any stretch- ninja school friendship dumb outcast kid trying to become something important blah blah blah. It then spiraled downward into being something out of an obese emo fangirl's fanfiction with lots of ANGST and DARKNESS.

As if the series wasn’t already an abomination, there is also the fanbase, and half of it consists of teenage boys who think its "holy shit epic" because it's the only anime they've ever seen (and they watched the english dub) and because they have no taste or concept of what a well developed story should be.

The even worse half of the fanbase consists of drooling fangirls with ninja headbands and wardrobes entirely bought at hot topic who will become extremely enraged and might try to eat you if you insult their husbando Sasuke-kun or insult their 75 part fanfiction about their mary sue "Charlotte DeGradia Izumi Inami Asami" who has a nine tailed persian cat living inside her and has giant tits.
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Was:
Extremely good until Chuunin Exam
Good until Shippuuden began
So-so until Pain
Bad after Pain and until Obito
Ridiculous now
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>>100029411
What about the arc where Jiraya teaches Naruto Rasengan or the Sasuke recovery arc? I liked those parts.
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It was OK til the 500 episodes of filler.
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If you didn't like naruto shitputin your stuped!
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>>100029666
go home swigun
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>>100029553
I used to watch and enjoy AMVs of naruto and other shounen anime. The AMVs were mostly nickleback and faggot ass heavy metal songs.
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>>100029666
No u, satan
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>>100029695
I went through that phase as well. I also liked the videos where they dubbed over Naruto characters with standup comedy.
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>>100029828
Oh fucking god, I remember watching Dane Cook dubbed over Naruto.

I tried watching some AMVs again and they were all shit, except for the Bohemian Rhapsody Evangelion and Darkest of places bakemonogatari

But fuck those days.
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>>100029892
I liked the Don't Stop Me Now Gurren Lagann.
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>>100029892
>>100029695
"At least I have chicken."
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naruto opening 7 was best naruto opening
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I felt everything pre-timeskip was pretty good and this isn't the nostalgia talking. Majority here agree that it was good until after the Zabuza arc, some say up to the Chunin exams.
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I only enjoy Itachi/Nagato fights. Naruto and Sasuke as characters are a absolute mess.
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it's been a while since i saved this pic
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Didn't CN cancel it during the chunin exams?
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>>100029892
I still think Dane Cook is kind of funny

That's off my chest now.
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>>100029974
Please stop, don't make me remember.
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>>100030033
The Chuunin exam was pretty good, if a little long. It went shallowly downhill after that, then *rapidly* downhill once Part 2 started.
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>>100030131
I had bought some of his audio shows on itunes and listened to them recently. They make me chuckle, he's not all bad.
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>>100029695

That terrible feeling when once in a while you still watch them and actually like it.
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>>100030109
No they aired it all the way until the very end.

But they never showed a single episode of Shippuden.
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>>100030094
Pretty much this. Everything after Pain has been absolute shit.

>>100030109
No, I'm pretty sure they showed all of pre-time skip, even the fillers. Then Disney XD censored the hell out of Shippuden.
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Naruto and parts of Naruto Shippuuden were pretty good. It has some really great moments so you feel rewarded after going trough the shit. I think the overall story had better fights and better climaxes than One Piece but One Piece is only halfway done.

Current Naruto is complete shit, no questions.
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>>100030094
Oh. Wow. Are you me or something?
This is exactly the way I see it.
I mean, its precision is uncanny.

Except for one thing: I didn't like Pain either.
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I liked the part at the start where they had to go help out that village building a bridge.
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>>100029220
Manga started off okay until Chuuin exams.
Sasuke should've died on the bridge and Rock Lee should've won against Gaara.
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>>100030094
Kakashi's past is retroactively demoted since its entire purpose was to introduce the worst main villain ever.
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Does anybody else think villains like orochimaru ruined the show?

It just got absolutely tiring after a while.
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>>100029405
Got it in a nut shell.
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>>100030332
Tobi is not a main villain. He's a sidekick.
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Why does everyone think it was good up until the chunin exams?
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>>100030201
Are you okay?
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>>100030388
Because it was.
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>>100030336
No, Orochimaru was good.

The problem was that they spent WAY too much time chasing Sasuke which wound up being utterly pointless in the end, unless you count the random coincidence of Naruto running into Itachi on one of those chases. It made the main character look useless for a huge stretch of the manga, and right after that he suddenly became Ninja Jesus.
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>>100029220

Nostalgia definitely.

I watched the first arc up until Zabuza's death just last month because I wanted to know that same question myself and it was pretty mediocre even back then.

>all those flashbacks of events within the same episode being shown in the same episode just minutes later

Pissed me off back then, and pissed me off again when watching it again - I'd almost forgotten about that. The over-use of the 'sad' music throughout was grating as well.

Same with Bleach as well for that matter.

One Piece on the otherhand was just as enjoyable and fun as I remembered it and the only one of the big three I actually felt compelled to watch more of.
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>>100030336
I agree. Villains are boring. It was much better when it was about wars, and in wars innocents fough each other, and died, for no real reason. That was good shit.
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>>100030094

Do we have a bleach version of this?
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>>100030366
Obito was the main villain for the majority of the manga. He was the one directly involved in killing Naruto and Sasuke's parents and generally making their lives miserable as well as leading Akatsuki. He also got his own very long penultimate boss battle.

Madara lacks a personal connection to most of the cast.
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>>100030450
Hey wait. Anime<Manga
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>>100030470
But indeed, he IS Madara's sidekick
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>>100030466
What's the point it would be high when saving rukia and then fall at the bottom save for ulquiorra fight and then remains at the bottom.
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>>100030537
Turning Back the Pendulum
Yamamoto's Bankai and death
Ichigo, I was Hywach the whole time
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>>100030470
Technically it was Madara that shaped him like that. He would have never turned out that way with his whole plan if it wasn't Madara guiding him.
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>>100030537
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Does Naruto even attract cancerous fans anymore? Surely anyone who was in that phase has grown up now, and who the hell would jump into the series at this point.
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>>100030593
Yeah, Madara has a claim to be main villain as well since Obito was pretending to be him for so long. Ultimately the role has been shared between them, which is why they're getting successive boss battles even though it fucks up the pace of the manga even worse than it has been.
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Actual Naruto fan reporting in, which means I watched the show without any idea of what to expect:

I loved every bit of the show up until part 2, then I skipped some parts. I still keep up with it now, just because I've gotten this far. Some arc of part 2 are still good, just a LOT of parts are skippable without missing anything good.

As for part 1, the arcs are pretty much all good, with even some good fillers in there too. My favourite arc is the Tsunade one.
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>>100030630
There is no way that masked Ichigo was only on the level of him when he beat Renji.
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>>100030688

>not getting the joke
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>>100030630
This is definitely wrong.
Renji stated he was 5x weaker in the Human World when he defeated Ichigo with ease.
Therefore Ichigo has become at least 6x stronger then he was when he fought the Menos Grande
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>>100030630
This is terrible. You just reminded me of how Ichigo's entire "bankai" speed gimmick was ignored and from that point on it became his base speed which literally every fucking opponent beat and he kept getting trashed around the entire fucking arc.
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Sasuke honestly used to be my absolute favorite character.

Where the fuck did they go so wrong?

Sure he became a psychotic xenophobic faggot, but there was a charm to seeing him so corrupted and it at least somewhat fit who he was, besides I just personally always loved the concept of revenge to begin with: someone does something horrible to you or someone else then you do even worse to them, it's just advanced payback at its extreme, I don't get why everyone hates revenge stories so much even most normalfags.

But Sasuke always had a noble motivation as well as a sympathetic reason for hating Itachi maybe like mindfucking his own brother just for a convincing act and when he finally found out the truth he was kind of justified, it could literally be put as simple as this: he probably felt like he literally couldn't trust anyone anymore, everything he ever knew was a lie, that the entire world was against him and his family so he just wanted to get back at it for all the shit he went through for basically no reason.

Now he wants to be Hokage.
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>>100030718
Oh, I see! "captain level" is what sounds inconsistent!
That's why the chart goes down when fighting Yammi and Ulquiorra, although Ichigo didn't actually become weaker!
Uhuh breddy funny
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>>100030797
>Sasuke honestly used to be my absolute favorite character.

He was shit. Literally the definition of edgy personified. You were probably a snot nose punk back then.
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>>100030783
>GEAR SECONDO!
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>>100030829

No, the funny part is that Bleach fans take this horrible powerchart seriously.
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Hiroyuki Yamashita is directing next week's episode, finally there's an episode worth watching after a long time.
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Honestly, I think Bleach is worse than Naruto but gets much less hate for some reason.
One Piece is just slow as shit, it feels like half the arc's are pointless.
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Don't say that word loudly on /a/.

Also, I watched it because I wanted to know what the fuss is about and it's shit. Even Elfen Lied is much better than this.
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>>100030858
Frankly I believe that taking seriously the whole power level shit is the correct approach to this genre.
If you happen to dislike it, or you feel it's not appealing, there are tons of other things you can read.
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>>100030915
>Honestly, I think Bleach is worse than Naruto but gets much less hate for some reason.
>One Piece is just slow as shit, it feels like half the arc's are pointless.

This. Though Naruto has dropped below Bleach recently.
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>>100030847
Actually back then I was a shut in with anger issues who liked reading books who preferred absolute quiet.

Now all I do is browse /a/, Foolz, or watch anime in bed.

Sage for blogshit.
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>>100030939
>Frankly I believe that taking seriously the whole power level shit is the correct approach to this genre.

The writers certainly don't.
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>weekend /a/

The only time of the week where naruto threads gets a serious reply.
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>>100030847
Oh please how many of us pretended we were him with the slashed forehead protector and imitated the hand signs? Be serious we all loved that shit back in the day.
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>>100030797
There was this brief period where he went completely insane and started laughing like a generic cartoon villain. I enjoyed that Sasuke.

But yeah, now he's just a flip-flopping faggot.
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>>100030915
Bleach doesn't get as much hate as Naruto because, while Naruto becoming bad was a cringeworthy experience, Bleach becoming bad was funny as hell
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>>100031037
Funnily enough even his fan girls couldn't stand him while he was like that.
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>>100030982
so why do they keep writing stories where power is the one and only and unique tool used to solve every single situation?
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>>100030797
I've been watching the damn thing since I was since the series was first dubbed and came to cartoon network, I can't quite kick the habit. They were all a favorite at some point or another. Currently it's gui-sensi.

I'm not sure what to think of the show anymore. I always liked bleach more though. The arrancar arch made me shit bricks. I loved everything up to the shit with Izan.

The only real problem I have with naruto is the fillers. You have to wait 2-3 months for the episodes to build up to get anything meaningful out of the story. You have to skip so much in an episode of naruto that's it's hard to watch.

I really wish I could watch bleach for the first time again
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>>100031084
Laziness. They make power levels important because it's easy, but they don't bother keeping them consistent.
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>>100031084
Man am I glad hunterxhunter doesn't have this problem.
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If Naruto ends I wiill definitely finish it.
I will finish the big three in my lifetime.
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>>100031122
>They make power levels important because it's easy
Then, being powerlevels so important for the story, when the readers focus on powerlevels they are approaching the content in a correct way
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>>100031160
>I will finish the big three in my lifetime.

It feels terrible that there is probably some old guy reading one piece that will never get to finish it.
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>>100031169
No, they don't want the readers to look at it too closely.
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>>100031027
Fucking hell does anyone remember that shit commercial?

Even Saucekay doesn't deserve that.
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While we are discussing naruto, who got the >>100000000 get?
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>>100030645
Listen here asshole, that's my favorite taco bell food product
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If I had to rate them:
Beginning: 6/10
Zabuza arc: 8/10
Chuunin exam + invasion: 8/10
Search for Tsunade Arc: 7/10
Sasuke DARKNESS arc: 8/10

As for Shippuden:
Gaara arc (Sakura is useful arc): 6/10
Sai arc: 6/10
Hidan and Kakuzu Arc: 7/10
Itachi + Jiraiya arc: 8/10
Pain arc: 7/10
Five Kage Summit Arc: 7/10
War arc: 6/10
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>>100030094
But Rock Lee vs Gaara was better than Zabuza.
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>>100029340
>fights determined by tactics and teamwork rather than power level.
more shounen series need to have this. its great when something puts you on the field and gets you thinking about overcoming challenges. not just
>durr ima use muh strangth
>i can solve any prob cus im strank
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>>100031185
Of course it's shitty but at this point new material can stop flowing and we would still have enough quality stuff to last for a few lifetimes.
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>>100031262
the five kage was too much filler, the war arc really pissed me off. I agree with your ratings aside from those to.

Five Kage Summit: 2/10
War arv: 3/10

I'm just glad the Madara bullshit is finally happening, but the 10 tails bullshit is awful. The only good thing about it is the fighting makes up for it.
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>>100031185
Now why did you have to go and say that anon?

I'm gonna have to go to the fucking ST thread just to suppress that.
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>>100031196
Then they should stop making powerlevels so damn important. As I said.
If the story is structured in a way where being victorious in a battle is the only thing that matters you can't complain if people become interested in powerlevels. Which are what wins battles. Which is what solves problems. Problems that make the story.

Sometimes in shounens there isn't even an underlying plot, and "being stronger" is explicitly the main goal of the arc.

So. Why bothering is the readers are talking about what's most important in the manga?
This is the correct approach, for this kind of manga.
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I hope Naruto and Sasuke will have one big fight against each other at the end. I bet someone will fuck it up like Sakura screaming and crying and making them stop.
The first fight between them was so great because no third party fucked around.
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the worst thing about naruto is their retarded fans
everytime i see them it just disgusting with their act
and naruto goes downhill from the Chuunin exam, the best part only in 1vs1 before the main exam
from standard ninjutsu become elemental wizard, shit power level. if kishi keep the power leveling, or should I say power whoring close to minimum, it would be different
on second way, is this thread even allowed ?
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>>100031431
What the fuck is the ST thread?
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>>100031494
Yes, Naruto discussion is allowed on /a/.
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Up until the Chunin exams it wasn't too bad, the series on a whole has had its moments but all the power level bullshit really brings it down. In fact, all that power level bollocks brings a lot of series down and I think Dragon Ball Z has a lot to answer for.
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>>100031437
I feel that there are too many anime's that have a fantasy/scifi fantasy instead of a realistic, adult themed show. I was there were a lot more anime's that didn't have retarded powers in them at all. It's not that don't like fantasy anime, it's just I don't always want fantasy anime. I guess all this stuff is aimed at kids anyway.
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>>100031494
>is this thread even allowed
Why wouldn't it be? Is this your first day here?
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>>100031517
Sakura Trick

>>100031525
It's sad, but at this point Naruto isn't even truly a threat anymore, SnK/KLK is the new big thing.

It's kind of sad really, but Kishi brought this shit on himself.
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>>100031360
Yeah, the war arc is dragging on for way too god damn long. I'm lost as to who they're fighting now, Tobi or Madara but they are in god mode right now and even Kishimoto admitted that he didn't know what to do with him. I honestly don't care how this ends, even if Naruto talks him into submission I will be happy.
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>>100031635
It's inevitable, the manga is almost over.

In 5-10 years, One Piece will probably have lost a fair amount of popularity in Japan.
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>>100031635
I hope you don't mean Kill la Kill with KLK.
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>>100031658
>powerlevels main villain to god mode
>doesn't know what to do with him

My head hurts, goddamn it Kishi.
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>>100031635
>SnK/KLK is the new big thing.


At least Naruto did something in the beginning to grab me. I have zero interest in SnK or KlK.
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>>100031721
What else could it be
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>>100031553
It's not like sports anime are much different, they're still about powerlevels.
The problem is not the setting. The problem is that the only problems that appear can only be solved via Winning Challenges (either with strength, strategy, it's the same basic idea)

What makes Zabuza arc good is that it's not about Winning Challenges. It presents problems that won't be solved with strength alone.
Especially: did Zabuza and Haku deserve death?
Is being a Ninja and suppressing your feelings worth it?
Are dreams possible or Naruto is just a stupid kid?
Yes, they won, but they didn't find an answer.
Strength saved their life, but didn't solve their personal problems.
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Resurrection Jutsu fucked everything. Before, death was a meaningful turn in the story. Now it means nothing. At any point, they can be brought back Dragonball Z style, cutting down on the suspense immensely.
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>>100031743
The SnK manga is fun to read, and the adaptation was pretty spot on, with some great QUALITY and actualy well-done sakuga mixed up.

KLK is just fun, I dunno, I love the characters
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>>100031721
You're right that was pretty stupid, but KLKfags are trashing /a/ right now aren't they?

Or is that the IRC again? I thought they had their hands full with Space Dandy?
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>>100031775
Nagato resurrecting everyone ruined what was a pretty good arc.
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>>100031658
More people need to die, IMO. They even revived people in the pain arc for death. I'd like them to bring it to an end or have a reboot like they did with shippuden and start a few years after or even when he is an adult.

The way I'd like to see shippuden end if they'd do a reboot is the hokage die and see naruto become the hokage. I want them to fast forward 10-15 years when they are the same age as kakashi, ect. and tell the story from that perspective. Maybe throw in the new generation as filler.
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>>100031775
Fuck it, Edo Tensei really did fuck everything over.
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>>100029340
But the Zabuza fight was, if anything, solved with raw strength and nothing else. Especially Naruto/Sasuke vs Haku. More fights later on in the series were MUCH more strategic than the Zabuza fight. Look up anything with Shikamaru.

That said I don't think the manga/anime turned to shit (other than fillers) up until Madara was introduced. That's when it got ridiculous. The anime is doing a better job with him so far though.
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>>100031052
I gotta agree with this, best comedy, especially with doge and Bach's antics but goddamn, did Icefaggot ruin everything.
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>>100031767
I'm talking about stuff life Black lagoon or angel beats only not over the top. I want an action anime based on things we can do today. It'd be cool to see an action anime with a spy twist. Just a realistic action anime with a solid story.

I've actually never watched a sports anime so I can't comment on that, although I imagine you're right.
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>>100031947
I literally found myself wishing Kishi would grow some balls and actually let Madara win, fuck the fans haven't you already done enough to them or at least planned it?

He can fucking summon meteors and has the spiritual equivalent of MJOLNIR armor.
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>>100032041
He was a dead man as soon as he became living flesh again.
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>>100031947
the only character left good only shikamaru, fight as a strategist and not just bullshiting courage and you get another power.
he know his limit, he can maximize the limited power,crumpled the enemy even the enemy far stronger than him and know how to involve his friend in his plan. simply more like a ninja unlike other character.
proof every fight he doing is more creative than just use favorite jutsu, hit and win. using environment, trapping and other trick
the other character simply useless or not getting kishimoto treatment.
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>>100032041
I'd like to see what happens in the infinite tsukiyomi too, yeah. On that note though I think Madara has something in his mind about the tsukiyomi world that Obito never had, though. Obito truly wished for peace, as did Nagato, but Madara seems to just be plain evil, so it's for certain that he's gonna fuck some shit up if he succeeds with it for sure, and not make it the eternal paradise that was promised.

Really though, I get that Madara is the final villain and all, but he's just too overpowered. Susanoo without eyes and being able to extract MULTIPLIE bijuus all in the matter of few minutes, when it took TEN of some of the strongest shinobi in the world to extract the One-tail, the WEAKEST of them all, in 3 days.

Seriously, Kishi.
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>>100032041
>I literally found myself wishing Kishi would grow some balls and actually let Madara win, fuck the fans haven't you already done enough to them or at least planned it?

I bet there's a good chance that he successfully casts Instrumentality no Jutsu, only to have the illusion broken by Naruto somehow after a short "escape the fake perfect world" mini-arc.
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>>100032294
I've been thinking the same thing.

>>100032208
I agree with you, Shikamaru is imo the best character, although personally I'd like to throw Kakashi in there as well. He knows his powers are very limited but he does the best out of them.

I mean, using Kamui on Naruto's shadow clone to the other dimension and then trick Obito in there with a bijuudama was pretty damn clever, especially considering they had just figured out how his intangibility works.
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Seriously, the friendship bullshit is the thing that hits my balls the hardest.
The power of friendship is the biggest bullshit ever and one of the reasons why shonen fucking sucks.
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Naruto is great, shippuden is even better (not counting the fillers). If you can't acknowledge that then you're a fag
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It was good until the conclusion of the Gaara vs Rock Lee fight, which establishes that no matter how hard you train and are technically proficient, you are not as strong or important as the chosen ones with god spirits or some other type of inheritance.
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>>100000000
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>>100032483
This is much better than estabilishing that "you can do everything if you really believe it"
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>>100032483
But Lee did some impressive shit since then. Kicking Madara in half with one single kick for instance. Nobody succeeded in even touching the guy and Lee justs kicks him in two pieces with one single kick.

I agree though, Lee should've won it, but plot made that impossible I suppose. Then again, I would probably rather see Sasuke vs Lee than Sasuke vs Gaara. Oh well.

At least Gaara is one of the few supporting characters who still has a major role in the spotlight. The only ones that got any kind of attention in Shippuuden was Shikamaru... and well, that's about it. Maybe the rest of his team too, with the whole Asuma thing.

And Neji and Lee to some extent I guess.
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>>100032625
I enjoyed the Sasuke Retrieval arc for the same reason. We got to see normally supporting characters fight, rather than being brushed aside like in One Piece
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>>100032826
Yep. Kishi should do it more, granted, they've been a huge support in the manga lately against Obito and stuff, but then they're just really supporting Naruto in his fight, not actually fighting on their own, which is a shame. I suppose it's only logical since Naruto is one of the few with enough strength to be able to fight on par with Obito / Madara / Juubi etc, but it's still kinda boring.
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>>100032826
too bad useless shitty fatass guy introduced "power of friendship" in the manga for the first time
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>>100029220
It was pretty good for it's time. Today's standards would rate it pretty mediocre if not awful, as it's not a timeless classic like LOGH or Hikaru no Go, but unlike those two it was far more mainstream.
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>>100032826
>>100032959

and useless shitty white eyes guy introduced "naruto has the power to change people" in the manga for the first time

that arc was SHIT
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>>100032992
>and useless shitty white eyes guy introduced "naruto has the power to change people" in the manga for the first time
The useless shitty white eyes guy is now dead. They played off his death brilliantly to be honest, refering a lot to those words.
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>>100032417
>the power of friendship is the biggest bullshit ever

Would you call this friendship bullshit or actual decent writing?

The MC is an alien who can call out special beings that develop internally since birth that he can fuse with to become more powerful, in the final battle when he's getting his ass kicked they all join with him at the same time and they use the power of TEAMWORK for once instead after all their hard work at growing stronger together throughout the story.

At least better than most Shonen right?
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>people actually think madara is the final villain
kishimoto is going to make orochimari the final villain watch.
NARUTO WILL NEVER END
IT'S MY TURN TO BE FINAL BOSS
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>>100033312
And then it will be Ten Ten.

SCREENCAP THIS SHIT
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>>100032483
I'm still fucking mad how Rock Lee lost.
Rock Lee won but Gaara sand is able to catch up to him just in time?
Fuck your plot Kishimoto and writing
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>>100029540

Shikimaru's all were/are good
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>>100033312
Doubt he's gonna be the final villain, he's just not strong enough for it.
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>>100033365
everyone takes turn absorbing the 10 tails.
first it was tobi, now madara, then orochimaru and eventually sasuke.
the 10 tail ride never ends.
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>>100033349
>And then it will be Ten Ten.
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>>100033357
>Rock Lee won but Gaara sand is able to catch up to him just in time?

No, Gaara kept his gourd itself, which is actually made of sand, in reserve until the very end.
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>>100033403
Her way of getting back at people for being by far the most useless character throughout the entirety of the show.
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>>100033440
Oh yeah I forgot about the gourd.
That's what I meant by bullshit since he magically turns it into sand, and his sand was keeping up with him before he opened up another gate.
Sorry it's been a while.
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>>100033403
Why am I not even surprised this exists?
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I really wish Killer Bee was the MC instead.
I've loved that nigga since he killed Sasuke but muh darkness saves him
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>>100033440
Did Gaara manage to make it out with his dignity intact in the end?

Because if so that's at least 4. Others are Kakashi, Itachi, Jiraiya.
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>>100033625
He's extremely gay for Naruto now.
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You're now aware this shitty war has been dragging on since 2010
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>>100033312
He's going to take over Sasuke's body and Naruto will have to kill him.

The End.
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>>100033680
Dear god are you kidding me?
This war has been going on for almost four years?
Please tell me you're exaggerating it.
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Okay, I didn't want to make a whole thread because I know people hate these shonen, but seriously, Naruto, Bleach, OP and Toriko are already four days late, like what gives? I'm mad, I want to read them, but it's Saturday and still nothing. When are they going to be out?
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>>100033747
They've been fighting the same two guys for the past two years.
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>>100033750
they're on break, numbnuts

wait 4 more days
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>>100033766
I went on google to check if it was really 4 years and I saw this.
I laughed.
Fucking hell I can't believe it's been this long.
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>>100031525
>>100031574
>Naruto thread is allowed
Shut the fuck up, Narutards
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>>100033766
Anyone remember how long Aizen Vs The Cast dragged on for? Deicide was at least four months, and that was only the tail end of his fight.
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>>100033747
>Naruto 489: On The Brink Of World War! 04/01/2010
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Dubs thread I guess
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>>100033787

They were on break already! It's not a two week break, its one week, but its been ten days.
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>>100033820
>baww there are people not falling for group pressure and instead actually enjoying what they like

never change /a/
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>>100033833
It wouldn't have been *so* bad if Aizen hadn't spent half that time chasing Ichigo's human friends around like a Scooby Doo villain.
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>>100033766
>>100033680
>>100033814
>>100033840
If the manga is dragging this to death how long is the anime going to take? Jesus Christ.
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>>100033840
in fairness, it was nearly 20 chapters before the war actually started.
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>war arc since 2010
>2 days have past in the story
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>>100033878
The anime has actually been on a exclusively canon episodes roll for almost 3 months now. It's great and all, but the fillers we know are coming up aren't going to be fun.
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>>100033856
That's the only way to live, yes. But you must really be braindead to think that Nurutu should be allowed here. It's pure garbage and the fanbase is the worst in existence. Everyone knows it, no need to go against it

>>>/gaia/
>>>/narutoforums/
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>>100033914
Bleach had 3 years for 24 hours and I'm pretty sure no one got any fucking sleep at any point.
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>Still reading Naruto
You guys are beyond help. Just end your life already
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>>100033964
you are years out of data. Gaia and the Naruto fandom are dying. SnK is the great menace now.
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>>100033820
>>100033992
>'BWAAAAH WHY ARE PEOPLE ENJOYING THINGS I DON'T?!! I HAVE TO HATE NARUTO BECAUSE I HAVE TO STAY AN EPIC TROLL!'
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>>100033964
Why would you be braindead? It's a manga/anime like any other worse than many, better than many. It only happens to be extremely popular.
>the fanbase is the worst in existence.
If you don't think the KLK or SnK fanbase is worse then I don't know what to tell you.
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>>100033964
>the fanbase is the worst in existence

Not that Narutards are any less cancerous, but that's not Sonic anon, just holy shit how does that even happen?
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>>100034152
when you post copypasta a million times you start to believe it.
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Will the anime get cancelled like Bleach once it catches up to the manga?
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>>100034819
Naw, they'll just make two years worth of fillers.
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>>100034819
They're close enough to the end that it shouldn't be necessary.
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>>100033964
Nobody gives a shit about Naruto anymore you putz, the new super cancer is Homestuck
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>>100034915
>implying there won't be a new arc after this
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>>100034958
At the recent Jump Festa, Kishimoto implied that Naruto will not be around by this coming December.
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>>100033966
24 hours is actually a pretty long time. There are filler arcs, but there is almost no filler for the main story arcs (arrancar) arcs. I also found the bounts arc pretty good. It bought the story time to find itself, and once it did it was awesome.

I guess my point is that while a chunk of that 24 hours is filler, I enjoy "spending time" with that characters enough that I don't mind it doesn't progress the story much. Over all, I think kubo did a very good job with bleach. I know the manga is on going, but I like the way they decided to end the show. While I'm saddened by it, the whole series was the arrancar arc's.

I got a bit off track there....My original point I wanted to make was that kishi should to a que from kubo and do a season of filler so the episodes aren't 1/4story and 3/4 filler. I really do enjoy the show, I just don't want to wait a month to see one episodes worth of story.
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>>100030094
Sasuke and Itachi are my favorite characters.

I started enjoying the series much more during the retrieval arc and after the time skip.
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>>100030450

I started watching One Piece again some month ago (from the very beginning), and it was fucking funny and enjoyable, maybe even more than 10 years ago.
I can't stand the Naruto anime anymore, but the videogames are fun.
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>>100030847

Sasuke was my fav too.
I was a very sad and depressed kid.
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>>100030847
>edgy
No he was badass just like Hiei.
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>>100032417

How is having no friends at all?
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>>100029220
/a/ genuinely liked Naruto when it was first beginning. Stuff like Zabuza's arc and its conclusion led satisfied a lot of people.

A lot of people thought it was going to be the next Dragon Ball
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>>100035932
and then /a/'s hipster pattern kicked in bigtime
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>>100036073
Haha, no. Naruto genuinely got shittier and shittier over time.
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>>100035932
Isn't that what exactly happened? It also started to drag-on balls.
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Zabuza arc was great.
Past that, pure trash.
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>>100036217
thanks for regurgitating what has already been said dozens of time in this thread
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I don't understand people who ever liked this shit. naruto didn't come on tv in america until after toonami had moved to the weekends. by that time I had already seen better shows from when it was on weekdays, and I was starting high school around then so it seemed pretty immature anyway. if you're any older than me you would have had to have been going out of your way to get fansubbed vhs tapes of it, and if you're younger then you would have had the benefit of watching animu on the internet. basically I can't think of any time when naruto would even be close to the best thing you could be watching.
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>>100036217

I don't even like Zabusa that much.
Gaara vs Lee was better.
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>>100035932
I still think it's pretty good up until the end of part 1. Kishimoto just through everything out the window after that.
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It wad pretty good until the major Sasuke vs Naruto fight. Nothing groundbreaking or anything but it was easy to follow and get into. The show was not my first fighting animu. It was just a nice companion show to One Piece.
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I'd give Naruto without the filler a 7/10 and Shippuden without filler (up to it's current arc) a 6/10. Also Rock Lee is best Ninja
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It was tolerable as a light watch until Sasuke defeated Orochimaru for good. Until then, they had a lot of mysteries built up. But the mangaka couldn't find a way to make the next arcs mind blowing, Toriko or One Piece stylem
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>>100036517
>Toriko
>tolerable
>mind blowing
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>>100036517
>until Sasuke defeated Orochimaru for good
I have some news for you anon
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>>100036451
>Best ninja
See that's why everything went to shit.
It long ago stopped being about ninjas, and now it's just demons and magic bullshit everywhere.

And the worst part is that my 2 favourite characters, Zabuza and Rock Lee are the best early examples.

Zabuza; assassin who uses fucking huge swords/monologues/ massive unstealthy mist jutsu =/= master of silent killing.

Rock Lee; cannot into ninja.
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>>100036517
>defeated Orochimaru for good

About that...
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>>100036583
Relatively speaking...
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The only good Naruto character is Zabuza and Shino.
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>>100036713
>Shino.
Who?
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>>100036713
Sometimes I feel like Shino is the only normal guy there even if he has insects CRAAAAAWLING IIIIN HIS SKIIIIIIIIIN.
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do you guys know what the best album ever to exist is?
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>>100036797
The best music doesn't have an album.
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Be honest guys. Whether you hate Naruto or not, you know that the vidya games by CybeConnect2 were amazing.
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>>100036856
>Update
Ninja storm 3 was pretty rad yeah.
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>>100036856
I just want them to do a One Piece fighter already. Or even a Bleach one
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>>100036915
A GOOD Bleach fighter, holy shit. The Wii one was terrible, same goes for PS3, the ones on the DS were OKAY but I want a proper 3D one.
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>>100036856
Oh lord yes. Being 16 and spending weeks on end making good combos in those games were fucking rad.

>>100036915
>Bleach Blade Battlers 2nd
I'm still mad that we never got a 3rd.
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>>100036856
I like Naruto but yeah, the games are radical as fuck. The netcode in the pc version of NUNS3 is laughable though unfortunately.
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>>100036950
Can't believe we were so desperate for a good Bleach fighter, we had to make do with the beatemuo disguised as a fighter in that DS game. Yeah it was fun but I want Cyberconnect to do Bleach now
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>>100036856
>.hack series
>Asura's Wrath
>Naruto
>JoJo ASB
Goddamn these guys are good.
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>>100037124
Dark Souls was awesome because the millions of obscure choices giving you slightly different endings and fights appealed to my autism.
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>>100036950
PSP ones were the best so far.
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>>100037469
Those sidescrollers were really entertaining. Dem combos.
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>>100037203
What I like about CyberConnect is that they use the Japanese VAs in the game rather than having it completely locked to the English VAs.
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>>100037580
I wish anime music wasn't locked down because if they make a Bleach game, I want to hear the Number One song!
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>>100037469
I was thinking about buying a PSP on ebay just to play the naruto and bleach games for it. I had naruto ultimate ninja warrior and really enjoyed it, the PSP bleach game looked like a lot of fun too.
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>>100029220
always was cancer, just like bleach
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>>100037671
hanabi bleach ending 7?
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>>100037714
They are pretty nice. I wish Vita can open the emulation floodgates because of the incredible Dpad on vita.
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>>100037754
Among many others.
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>>100029220
It's good.
Everything else is just typical /a/ hate wagon.
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Lets face everyone that has commented here has liked (or still does like) naruto at one stage and everyone is going to have their different opinions some people are going to hat while other will like it depending on personal taste. I'm just saying I like naruto and think that it's a great show but my sister hates it except for one character, rock lee, because she thinks he is funny and awesome,sorry getting a bit sidetracked.
Anyway overall naruto is an amazing anime/manga and a horrible one depending on who you are so does it matter on what any of us are saying
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Aren't most of /a/ cynical enough to follow something without calling it the best ever anyway? I watched all of Naruto and I have no problems with saying it is a flawed story. But it had a nice premise to follow. It doesn't mean I don't actively search for more deeper stories out there. Anime fandom is not a zero sum game.
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The manga was pretty good, the anime was mediocre at best and inherently harmful to muh animu
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>>100037813
I have to agree. I'd have to say that naruto was my real gateway anime, but bleach is what really got me into it. It came on after naruto and that's how I discovered it. I'm just surprised at the quality it manages to keep for as many episodes as it has.

I wish I could watch bleach for the first time again. The part where ichigo died in the final Ulquiorra has to be my favorite moment in anime with many parts of the fight taking up the spots in my top 10. I had waited so long after the fillers to see that fight and I'm glad I waited because it did not disappoint. Bleach hit so many of the right buttons, I just hate how it's thrown in with naruto....
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>>100037976
It's unusual to see someone being so reasonable about opinions on anime with naruto specifically. I think on problem is the fans give naruto a bad name. I can see why people don't like it but it makes me happy so I'm not going to stop watching it

>>100037992
What do you think the next "naruto" will be? Something with a massive arc. It's flawed, but it also had some really great moments. kishi can't seem to stay focused on what he wants to do, which is unfortunate because it's overall potential was massive.
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Bleach also tried to have real side arcs and characters development because Kubo neglected too many of them. Too many Naruto fillers were way too frivolous and they could have done more for side characters but I suppose they got caught up more with canon.
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>>100037881
>>100037976
>>100038180
All there.
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>>100038180
I thought Fairy Tail had potential until the creator threw too many time warp into his story and made main characters win in stupid 'power of friendship' way. I guess Toriko and Magi has a chance to get really big but the premise of the shows isn't as easy to take after like Naruto (ninjaz).

Still wondering how the next Kishimoto project will be like.
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>>100038251
I'll have to say that the worst of bleach side arcs are better than the best of narutos.

>>100038366
I've never seen Fairy Tail. What I can say about naruto is that it started with a lot of characters that I feel were well developed in the creators head before much was written. I don't think kishi was expecting naruto to last as long as it has and ran out of ideas almost altogether. Sure he had an overall story board, but never had any real plans for it. Now that the time has come he doesn't know what to do so manys everything filler to buy time.
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>>100038557
Did you know he primarily wanted Kakashi to be mc?
I think the editors made him change it a lot that's why he rad out of ideas along the way.
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>>100036599
Kishi let the ideas he had for Magic Mushroom take over Naruto. At least One Piece has actual fucking pirates that aren't very romanticized like Treasure Island made them out to be, and are just plain ruthless fuckers who take what they want because they can.
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>>100038696
I don't see Kakashi as main character material so I can't say I have a problem with that. You're probably write though if he wanted him to me MC. I just wish the show was a little darker and characters we cared about actually started dying. I think that would draw us in to the bad guys more because they hurt the viewer/reader on a semi personal level. That would make it all the better to see naruto defeat enemies. Just think of how you felt when Jiraiya died. I like it when an anime actually makes me feel something instead of just watching it to kill time.

Naruto, now, is something I watch just because I've always watched it. The reason I started watching it is that it made me feel something at some of the most important moments. It doesn't have those moments anymore.
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>>100038696
No, he didn't. But originally Kakashi would have talked with de gozaru and had a different personality.

He was probably changed when the Sharingan was invented and given to Kakashi, Sasuke, and (sigh) the secret villain behind the Kyuubi attack and the Uchiha massacre, Obito. Yeah, he was likely planned from the start.
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the naruto battle system had a lot of potential for battles with a lot of strategy and creativity, but then it turned into DBZ with pseudo ninjas.
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>>100039139
"my beam is larger than yours is!"
"I haven't revealed my secret ultra beam, Behold!"
"Neither have I!"
"I don't care if your secret beam is larger, I will unlock hidden powers through shear willpower in the final moments and defeat you!"

That's what it has become to me which is pretty much DBZ anyway.
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It's entertaining until the time-skip. God I hate time-skips.
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Is this any good?
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>>100039429

Multiplayer is fun. Pic related, friends playing it at my house.
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>>100039429
Yeah, but the netcode is pretty bad. If you end up against someone with a either horrible pc or connection it'll lag like mad.

Other than that it's a really solid and fun game.
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>>100039429
It's okay, not bad, not good. If you're looking for a fun fighting game it will keep you entertained. It just wont keep you coming back for more. also found it to be the slightest bit too easy.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/naruto-shippuden-ultimate-ninja-storm-3-full-burst
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>>100038696
>Sasuke didn't exist
>The editors wanted Naruto to have a rival
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>>100039686
they could have done a worse job with a forced character.
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Guys you aren't supposed to discuss Narutu or SAO on /a/
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>>100039629
>also found it to be the slightest bit too easy.
I don't know man, the final fights in the singleplayer story is pretty fucking hard.

Might just be me being shit though.
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>>100029220
Naruto first started airing when I was in high school
I grew out if it fairly quickly
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>>100039776
Why don't you do something about it then.
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>>100039776
This ended up being a quality discussion, I say let it be. This wasn't a blind newfag fandom thread.
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>>100039732
>they could have done a worse job with a forced character.

Worse than Sasuke? Is that even possible?
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>>100039776
What are you gonna do about it, faggot?
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>>100039686
why he had to be all dark and emo or whatever why couldn't naruto have a hotblooded rival?
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>>100039776
We're just talking about how quickly it became shit
(I think)
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>>100039859
He's not necessarily a bad character, it's just that he's such a dark and edgy stereotype. It was okay back then because it wasn't common, but now it is.

On that note though I personally think he's been a way better character whenever Itachi was on screen. Only time I didn't really like him was when he fucked off to Orochimaru's place and despite not even having Konoha shinobi as his enemies, he still attacked them at Orochimaru's hideout.

Other than that he's okay really.
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>>100039903
Polar opposites, man.
Naruto is pretty hot blooded himself.
If his rival was the same, kishi wouldn't have much to write about.
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>>100039903
He was based on Kurapika
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/a/ is kill.
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>>100036142
No?

Dragon Ball is pretty amazing to this day.

DBZ is the one with issues.

DB and Z are pretty different.
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>>100040056

no
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>>100040106
what about dragonball kai?
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>>100038309
AND IT NEVER CHANGED

Ah, Japan's sexism is cute at times.
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>>100040217
AND IT NEVER CHANGED

Ah, western feminism is cute at times.
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>>100040217
there are competent female characters in the comic or at least competent in comparison to sakura.
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how can an anime be 41% filler

how
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>>100029220
The reason people liked Naruto so much is because it was probably the first popular anime they were exposed to. Up until then, they didn't really have a cartoon series that they could really take relatively seriously, since nearly all western cartoons were pure comedies with just a few exceptions (Batman TAS to name one). Furthermore, it was probably first cartoon they'd ever seen that had an on-going plot and wasn't completely episodic.
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>>100040208
I think I've seen a bit of it. Not enough to judge it appropriately.

Even if it cuts down the longwinded nature of DBZ that was only one problem it had in comparison to DB, it won't fix it.
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>>100040333
Not really. There's barely any at all of any decent level, and if they are "decent" or "powerful" they immediately get dispatched.
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>>100040394
what about dbz the abridged series?
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>>100040217
She had like a chapter where she mastered Tsunade's seal jutsu and was treated like she was on the same level as Naruto and Sasuke. Of course, they were using like 10% of their full power.
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>>100038309
Sakura's fight with Ino was the high point of the series.
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>>100040344
Read the mango.
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>>100040269
Huh? Not even feminism at this point. It's plain boring when there's no girls around or if they happen to show up they're irrelevent and shitty and we're reminded that they're shit. "Oh, one of Akatsuki was defeated? That's okay...after all...HE WAS THE WEAKEST OF US LOLOLOL" was that really necessary? Really? Yeesh.

Kurapika is a girl BTW
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>>100040344
I wish one piece was 41% filler
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>>100040551
>"Oh, one of Akatsuki was defeated? That's okay...after all...HE WAS THE WEAKEST OF US LOLOLOL"

Akatsuki never actually say that, though. Sasori went down first and he was supposed to be stronger than Deidara at the time.

Admittedly the Sound Four did that cliche.
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>>100040441
well theres the old woman puppeteer
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>>100040551
Everyone knows Kurapika is a girl, no need to even say it.
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>>100040632
I'm pretty sure they alluded to it in some manner, I just can't recall exactly what was said.
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>>100040344
It's what happens when they're following a manga that they're almost catching up with.

But hey, who watches the fillers anyway?
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>>100034042
>somebody saved and used my edit
>it's a greentext moron
This is horrible.
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>>100040551
I wish more artists would draw fighters with at least some kind of athletic build.
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>>100040269
>Wanting character development is being sexist
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>>100030584
all shit.
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>>100041921
Who are you quoting, even?
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I actually enjoyed it thoroughly up until the timeskip. While the Sasuke stuff started getting the edge during the chuunin arc, we still had a lot of great fights and character development. Gara and Lee's fight, Naruto and Neji's, Naruto and Gama against the One tail, the Third's last fight, the three senins and Jiraya's developing relationship with Naruto.

Once they introduced Akatsuki and Sasuke went full darkness, there was no going back for Kishimoto. While the rasengan/chidori clash with Naruto and Sasuke on the roof was really cool and memorable, everything after that just went completely downhill (I'M MORE SPECIAL THAN YOU / hard work doesn't matter anymore, just special eyes and demon fox energy). The only parts of the rescue arc I even remember liking were Choji and Neji's fights, and Naruto and Sasuke's fight up until the fox and cursed seal stuff started.

A lot of it is Nostalgia for most of us, but it had the potential to be a really great shonen that broke the norms of a single overpowered protag, focus on a broad cast, strength through hard work, and a goal in mind besides "defend the earth / become the best" - Naruto just wanted to be the best to be accepted. Anyways, I could go on and on, but I feel it was really good, and still retained a lot of that up until the rescue arc.
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>>100042481
the rescue arc was IMO the best part of Naruto

Neji/Shikamaru battles were top tier strategy
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>>100029220
6 episodes. It is pretty good for the first six episodes, well directed, to the point, with an interesting premise, but gets progressively worse as it goes on. Even the first major arc Land of Waves with Zabuza has incredible amount of flashbacks and recaps, and by then the show is straight up shit.

>>100035932
If you go back and rewatch it even the Zabuza parts are half fillers, flashbacks, and slideshow/camera-panning/wind-blowing/staring fights.



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