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God bless you TMS, for giving Otaku the Bird and trying to put fun back in animation.

Hiroyuki Aoyama's unit is doing Episode 2 of Bones' Space Dandy by the way.
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Idea came from this topic.

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>>100024868
I'm not sure if you can call it his 'unit', but with Aoyama as AD the episode should look good. People who saw the Dandy episodes at the preview even last month said there was an action scene that looked like Takashi Mukouda's work.
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>>100026198
I have gotted Toshihiko Masuda & Kazuhide Tomonaga mixed up too many years ago.

Who dose Takashi Mukouda work for? Is he Freelanced, works for Bones as other TMS staff looked over Sunrise staff when they were doing Aikatsu with Sunrise or TMS themselves?

I'm hopeing that Toshihiko Masuda, Yoshinobu Michihata, Atsuko Tanaka & Kazuhide Tomonaga show up on Dandy, they're just too good to waste.
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>>100026468
I checked Anime News Network about Takashi Mukouda, he's freelanced.
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>>100026468
Mukouda is freelance, he's rather good at action animation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq0UPZ1ZR5c
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>>100026679
I know, I checked it up on Anime News Network.
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>>100026468
Michihata seems to work a lot on western productions, I remember seeing him credited in Justice League:Doom. Not exactly Telecom's best work in my opinion, though it had some nice effects cuts and they even got Hironori Tanaka on board. I wonder if that upcoming Justice League movie is being made by them. Anyway, it's hard to say to what extent TMS will be involved in Dandy. A lot of people in the anime industry will be working on it.
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>>100026883
Hironori Tanaka from what I understand was station at Doga Kobo (or works for them) during Doom's production, TMS only had 4 key animators inhouse (Michihata & Hachizaki being 2 of them) but most of the DTV was shipped of to Ajia-Do & Magic Bus, plus 2/3rd of the In-Betweens & Ink and Paint were shipped off to Korea (Mizo Planning) & China (Flying Dragon). the best part of Doom was that some of it was outsourced to KyoAni as they were ahead of Hyouka and needed something to fill out time, TMS gived them $6 million and KyoAni only spent $1 Million for the animation paper as they pocketed most of it and blew it on Tamako Market (this is one of the reasons why TMS dose not get a $2 million budget like the Korean studio, that & their staff gets payed a arm and a leg).

Blame Lauren Montgomery, the modern day version of Paul J Smith, she is a great artist & dose a better job with the Korean studios she works with, but with TMS, it's like if Paul J Smith take over Tex Avery's unit when he left Warners to go work at MGM instead of Bob Clampett, it's like that.

Justice League War is being done by Moi http://www.moianimation.com/portfolio.php?ptype=view&idx=5076&page=1&code=portfolio&category=46&lan=eng I really what said Cheapqules to stop.
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>>100027884
>Hironori Tanaka from what I understand was station at Doga Kobo (or works for them) during Doom's production, TMS only had 4 key animators inhouse (Michihata & Hachizaki being 2 of them) but most of the DTV was shipped of to Ajia-Do & Magic Bus, plus 2/3rd of the In-Betweens & Ink and Paint were shipped off to Korea (Mizo Planning) & China (Flying Dragon). the best part of Doom was that some of it was outsourced to KyoAni as they were ahead of Hyouka and needed something to fill out time, TMS gived them $6 million and KyoAni only spent $1 Million for the animation paper as they pocketed most of it and blew it on Tamako Market (this is one of the reasons why TMS dose not get a $2 million budget like the Korean studio, that & their staff gets payed a arm and a leg).
Where are you getting this information from? As far as I'm aware, KyoAni's days of being an animation sub-contractor are long gone. They don't do that kind of thing anymore.
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>>100028239
Some parts of Doom like the part in the bank in the first half was done by the Suzumiya unit and can be easily spotted if you have watched their work (same things happens with 1983 (Littles, Orbots)-Early 1986 (Wuzzles, Gummi Bears) TMS efforts with future Ghibli staff as well like the late Yoshifumi Kondo).

KyoAni went over board with Hyouka and needed fuller, TMS give them outsourcing funds at $6 million on Doom and blew most of it on Tamako Market.

As for the Doom name, it was changed from Tower Of Babel to Doom because of legal issues with NamcoBandai.

The game here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksNI2rfy6kY
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>>100028732
>>100027884
This made me curious.
Anyone got the animator list of Doom?
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>>100028732
I'm asking you, where did you get this information from? I've looked through the key animation credits on IMDB and I do not recognise any Kyoani staff in there. Also, $6 million is a lot of money for a mere subcontract job.

>>100029115
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2027128/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
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>>100029115
I have the DTV & can post screen shots if you what, the studios names are un criedited so going by their past work is the only why to spot the studios (TMS' Disney & Warners work is knowed for this and that only TMS is listed, no subcontractors are listed).
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>>100029166
You have not been paying attention to KyoAni enough, unless they have another batch of animators that only work on their shorts that we don't know about.

IMDB's list is not complete.

Remember, KyoAni's directors gets payed 3500 yen a hour, alot of other studios in Japan only get payed per drawing & directors are lucky if they get payed 90,000 yen a mouth, KyoAni spent 5 out of the 6 million on Tamako Market as Networks don't what to place money on a show not based on something, TBS got Tamako Market when it was done with as the show had no sponsors, it was 100% funded by money TMS gived them for Doom.
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>>100029664

That really doesn't make any sense given that all of KyoAni's staff is focused on their own projects.
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Superman Vs The Elite may have outsourcing issues (Studio Jungle Gym being the only good one, doing the part with Superman is in the middle east & when Superman is inside the fish ship which seems to be taked from Darius (I'm fact, TMS went up to Taito to see if the fish ships were infringing on their rights to Darius, and Taito said no so TMS left them in), the fun designs is what makes it better then Doom, plus the post intro opening that is a throw back to TMS' 70s work was the best part of the whole DTV.
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>>100029952
Yea, until they find nothing else to do, and thats what happen with Hyouka, they went over board.and needed extra work as Hideaki & Yoko Hata can't have the staff sit around doing nothing all day for mouths on end as they went that over board on Hyouka.
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>>100030333

There is still no source for this.
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>>100030333
But Kyoani had to prepare for Chuu2 as it aired right after Hyouka.
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How would they have finished Hyouka which had such high production values so swiftly that the entire staff was sitting around doing nothing anyway?
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>>100030447
Different batch of animators.

>>100030399
Just spot the animators, people who watch 40s cartoons do this all the time.
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>>100030622
Point out which animators. Where did you hear this from?
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>>100030582
The just had fun doing it is all.
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6 million is more than enough for one of those DC movies. It's not like they get Ghibli tier animation.
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>>100030644
Not /a/ related but I heard this from Looeny Tunes DVD commentaries of which people spot out animators, I'm just doing the same with TMS subcontractors.
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>>100030777
So you're bullshitting with no basis at all?
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>>100030777
Okay, then surely you could name some of the kyoani animators that worked with TMS.
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>>100030725
Not when you get 6500 yen a hour, also Ghibli uses TMS alot, even as of late as The Wind Rises (with Key Animation by Atsuko Tanaka, Hiroyuki Aoyama and Kazuhide Tomonaga).

$6 million for TMS is a TV Episode for western markets, not a DTV.
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>>100030846
I'm not that in touch with KyoAni enough to tell out their animators by name, only by style.

Enough about Doom.
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http://www.toonzone.net/forums/dc-animation-forum/304196-how-make-tms-dc-animated-movies-big-hits-rather-then-bomb-avode-another-lilpri.html

>this guy
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>>100030947
Which cuts? Come on man, anything.
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>>100030947
Fine, at the very least you could explain the drawing styles of their animators.
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>>100030976
KyoAni did the part with the JL is in the bank fighting the legion of Doom in the first half.

>>100030951
I'm not him.
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>>100031095
You're completely, utterly full of bullshit. Why do you want to shit on threads like this, where 5 people post at most and it happens less than once a week?

Kyoani did not work for TMS on Doom, or anything. Nobody will believe your "guesswork", and that's besides the point because you still have no source for the numbers you brought up.
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>>100031095

KyoAni only works for KyoAni until further notice. End of story.
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>>100031195
No, I'm not, My info comes from 2Ch by the way.

>>100031238
Then explain how KyoAni got the money to do Tamako Market as that show had no sponsors what so ever.
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>>100031559
You're kidding me, right?

Tamako Market production committee:
Kyoto Animation
Pony Canyon
TBS
Usagiyama Shopping District
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>>100031559

>My info comes from 2Ch

We all know how that works.

>Tamako Market no sponsors whatsoever

TBS and Pony Canyon. KyoAni already had their own money to invest at the time.
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>>100031559
I suggest that you turn off the computer and seek psychiatric assistance.
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>>100031706

I believe you mean scientists to help him return to his universe.
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>>100031559
>My info comes from 2Ch by the way.
Maybe you can link to the thread then :-)
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>>100031637
Kyoto Animation=Animation studio
Pony Canyon=Home Video releases
TBS=Network
Usagiyama Shopping District=KyoAni actually payed them for royalty reasons,

No one in Japan whats to put in money for a anime thats not based on anything, thats where TMS' outsourcing for Doom comes in.
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>>100031865
I have a feeling you haven't got the faintest idea of how a production committee works. You also have yet to cite proper sources for your various claims.
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>>100031865

>No one in Japan whats to put in money for a anime thats not based on anything

How about every anime original? Obviously the producers had enough faith in KyoAni to deliver. They even got Yamada to direct.
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>>100031954
Yea, but KyoAni is not Ghibli & they leach off of Disney TV profits (before Disney, Ghibli leached off of Toho's Godzila profits).

Tamako Market is why TMS' Doom is more then $6 million (TMS went on to do Aikatsu after Doom came out) to make, TMS dose not do cheapqules as TMS' staff gets payed a arm and a leg.
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>>100032111
Anon pls
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>>100032111

Return to your universe anon.
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>>100030622
>Different batch of animators.
They sure did share alot of the same staff

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/compare.php?comp=a&add=13817
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>>100032153
Thank you, at least someone likes my efforts.

Can we please move away from Doom, it was mostly a train wreck & Elite was the better DTV.
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>>100031095
> I'm not him.

Of course you're not. >>100032111
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>>100032285
TMS had other outsourcers on Doom you know, on Doom they were Doga Kobo, Ajia-Do & Magic Bus on Key Animation (Ajia-Do & Magic Bus did most of the DTV), Animation-Do however was the only studio that did any Assistance & In-Between animation in Japan (they did everything for everyone in Japan on Doom) as most of that work was done in Korea & China.
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>>100032325

Oh wow.
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What the fuck is going on in this thread?
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>>100032325
Yea, I'm not him, thanks for understanding.
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>>100032502

Some guy who claims a Green Lantern DCAU movie costs 69 million dollars.
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>>100032502
Talking about Justice League Doom's outsourcers.

This topic was ment to be about TMS' latest efforts, but were stuck talking about Doom.
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>>100029664

So you basically have no source. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. $6 million for a sub-contract animation job would be unheard of.
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>>100031095
>KyoAni did the part with the JL is in the bank fighting the legion of Doom in the first half

I've watched almost every sub-contract works KyoAni did and that scene from Doom doesn't look like anything they've done.

You can easily tell from the effect animation.
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>>100032520

>cheaquels
>Cheapqules

Ya blew it.
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>>100032545
It's $78 Million, not $69 Million.
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>>100032502
Some crazy anon trying to convince people Kyo-ani worked on Doom based on guesswork.
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>>100032604
Studios change over time, Doom had the same KyoAni staff as Air, Haruhi & Hyouka.
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>>100032698
>Studios change over time
No shit.
Watch Generator Gawl episode 7 and 11 and compare the effect animation in those episode to Kyoukai no Kanata and Chuunibyou.

They still draw effect animation pretty much the same way they did 15 years ago.
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>>100032608
Whys that? Cheapqules are a bad thing that need to be illegal to make (Disney is still making them with the Tinkerbell DTVs and got Planes a release in theaters).
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>>100032111
>cheapqules

You can't even post n a random cartoon forum without getting banned, why do you think you can make it in /a/?
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>>100032791
Different animators.

Also, if your so smart, why don't you point out the subcontractors TMS "did" used on Doom, Ajia-Do & Magic Bus did most of it.
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>>100031865
Usagiyama Shopping District is not a real place.
It's a name of a committee formed by KyoAni, TBS and Pony Canyon.
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>>100032897
>Different animators

Care to name them?
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Wait. Why is /co/ trying to raid /a/?
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>>100032991
Realy?!?, Google Translate leaves alot to be looked at.

>>100033027
Again, I'm not that well placed to spot out KyoAni's animators by name.

>>100033035
/co/ is not raiding /a/

Are you guys saying that Magic Bus did more on Doom then I though?
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I learned a lot about the industry today, thanks /a/
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>>100033205
>relies on google translate
>goes on to spout shit like>>100031865


Credibility lost
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>>100033205
Nobody from /a/ ever used "Cheapqules" before
http://archive.foolz.us/a/search/text/Cheapqules/

Nobody on /co/ either, except you the day before >>>/co/57734999

http://archive.foolz.us/co/search/text/Cheapqules/
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I wish companies would fund anime originals. Those Space Dandy sketches looked pretty cool :(
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>/co/ is not raiding /a/

>>100031785
>:-)
>>100033347
>:(
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>>100033328
I think I’m going to use it from now on, just to mess with everyone who read this thread.

>>100033396
You might be a bit slow.
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>>100033433
I pointed it out just for your sake, faggot.
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>>100033279
Blame Google Translate.

Really, Anime News Network needs to put up a sister site that deals with Japan's US efforts, just to avoid things like this.
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>>100033711
>Google Translate

Wow...

Here's another lesson for you:
億 is not billion, it's hundred million
万 is ten thousand

1億円 is about $1 million
100万円 is about $10,000

35億3,372万7,700円 = 3,533,727,700 billion yen, about $35 million
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>>100033875
I was not using numbers but $35 million was Little Nemo's budget, not the TMS DC DTVs.
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>>100034120
>I was not using numbers
Wait what
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>>100035456

This entire thread
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>>100036235
Yea, this topic really went awol.

Back to TMS' newer efforts; The Pilot's Love Song is good.
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>>100036392
There's nothing noteworthy about its animation.
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>>100036559
Since it's not from the Telecom unit.



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