God bless you TMS, for giving Otaku the Bird and trying to put fun back in animation.
Hiroyuki Aoyama's unit is doing Episode 2 of Bones' Space Dandy by the way.
Idea came from this topic.
I'm not sure if you can call it his 'unit', but with Aoyama as AD the episode should look good. People who saw the Dandy episodes at the preview even last month said there was an action scene that looked like Takashi Mukouda's work.
I have gotted Toshihiko Masuda & Kazuhide Tomonaga mixed up too many years ago.
Who dose Takashi Mukouda work for? Is he Freelanced, works for Bones as other TMS staff looked over Sunrise staff when they were doing Aikatsu with Sunrise or TMS themselves?
I'm hopeing that Toshihiko Masuda, Yoshinobu Michihata, Atsuko Tanaka & Kazuhide Tomonaga show up on Dandy, they're just too good to waste.
I checked Anime News Network about Takashi Mukouda, he's freelanced.
Mukouda is freelance, he's rather good at action animation.
I know, I checked it up on Anime News Network.
Michihata seems to work a lot on western productions, I remember seeing him credited in Justice League:Doom. Not exactly Telecom's best work in my opinion, though it had some nice effects cuts and they even got Hironori Tanaka on board. I wonder if that upcoming Justice League movie is being made by them. Anyway, it's hard to say to what extent TMS will be involved in Dandy. A lot of people in the anime industry will be working on it.
Hironori Tanaka from what I understand was station at Doga Kobo (or works for them) during Doom's production, TMS only had 4 key animators inhouse (Michihata & Hachizaki being 2 of them) but most of the DTV was shipped of to Ajia-Do & Magic Bus, plus 2/3rd of the In-Betweens & Ink and Paint were shipped off to Korea (Mizo Planning) & China (Flying Dragon). the best part of Doom was that some of it was outsourced to KyoAni as they were ahead of Hyouka and needed something to fill out time, TMS gived them $6 million and KyoAni only spent $1 Million for the animation paper as they pocketed most of it and blew it on Tamako Market (this is one of the reasons why TMS dose not get a $2 million budget like the Korean studio, that & their staff gets payed a arm and a leg).
Blame Lauren Montgomery, the modern day version of Paul J Smith, she is a great artist & dose a better job with the Korean studios she works with, but with TMS, it's like if Paul J Smith take over Tex Avery's unit when he left Warners to go work at MGM instead of Bob Clampett, it's like that.
Justice League War is being done by Moi http://www.moianimation.com/portfolio.php?ptype=view&idx=5076&page=1&code=portfolio&category=46&lan=eng I really what said Cheapqules to stop.
>Hironori Tanaka from what I understand was station at Doga Kobo (or works for them) during Doom's production, TMS only had 4 key animators inhouse (Michihata & Hachizaki being 2 of them) but most of the DTV was shipped of to Ajia-Do & Magic Bus, plus 2/3rd of the In-Betweens & Ink and Paint were shipped off to Korea (Mizo Planning) & China (Flying Dragon). the best part of Doom was that some of it was outsourced to KyoAni as they were ahead of Hyouka and needed something to fill out time, TMS gived them $6 million and KyoAni only spent $1 Million for the animation paper as they pocketed most of it and blew it on Tamako Market (this is one of the reasons why TMS dose not get a $2 million budget like the Korean studio, that & their staff gets payed a arm and a leg).
Where are you getting this information from? As far as I'm aware, KyoAni's days of being an animation sub-contractor are long gone. They don't do that kind of thing anymore.
Some parts of Doom like the part in the bank in the first half was done by the Suzumiya unit and can be easily spotted if you have watched their work (same things happens with 1983 (Littles, Orbots)-Early 1986 (Wuzzles, Gummi Bears) TMS efforts with future Ghibli staff as well like the late Yoshifumi Kondo).
KyoAni went over board with Hyouka and needed fuller, TMS give them outsourcing funds at $6 million on Doom and blew most of it on Tamako Market.
As for the Doom name, it was changed from Tower Of Babel to Doom because of legal issues with NamcoBandai.
The game here.
This made me curious.
Anyone got the animator list of Doom?
I'm asking you, where did you get this information from? I've looked through the key animation credits on IMDB and I do not recognise any Kyoani staff in there. Also, $6 million is a lot of money for a mere subcontract job.
I have the DTV & can post screen shots if you what, the studios names are un criedited so going by their past work is the only why to spot the studios (TMS' Disney & Warners work is knowed for this and that only TMS is listed, no subcontractors are listed).
You have not been paying attention to KyoAni enough, unless they have another batch of animators that only work on their shorts that we don't know about.
IMDB's list is not complete.
Remember, KyoAni's directors gets payed 3500 yen a hour, alot of other studios in Japan only get payed per drawing & directors are lucky if they get payed 90,000 yen a mouth, KyoAni spent 5 out of the 6 million on Tamako Market as Networks don't what to place money on a show not based on something, TBS got Tamako Market when it was done with as the show had no sponsors, it was 100% funded by money TMS gived them for Doom.
That really doesn't make any sense given that all of KyoAni's staff is focused on their own projects.
Superman Vs The Elite may have outsourcing issues (Studio Jungle Gym being the only good one, doing the part with Superman is in the middle east & when Superman is inside the fish ship which seems to be taked from Darius (I'm fact, TMS went up to Taito to see if the fish ships were infringing on their rights to Darius, and Taito said no so TMS left them in), the fun designs is what makes it better then Doom, plus the post intro opening that is a throw back to TMS' 70s work was the best part of the whole DTV.
Yea, until they find nothing else to do, and thats what happen with Hyouka, they went over board.and needed extra work as Hideaki & Yoko Hata can't have the staff sit around doing nothing all day for mouths on end as they went that over board on Hyouka.
There is still no source for this.
But Kyoani had to prepare for Chuu2 as it aired right after Hyouka.
How would they have finished Hyouka which had such high production values so swiftly that the entire staff was sitting around doing nothing anyway?
Different batch of animators.
Just spot the animators, people who watch 40s cartoons do this all the time.
Point out which animators. Where did you hear this from?
The just had fun doing it is all.
6 million is more than enough for one of those DC movies. It's not like they get Ghibli tier animation.
Not /a/ related but I heard this from Looeny Tunes DVD commentaries of which people spot out animators, I'm just doing the same with TMS subcontractors.
So you're bullshitting with no basis at all?
Okay, then surely you could name some of the kyoani animators that worked with TMS.
Not when you get 6500 yen a hour, also Ghibli uses TMS alot, even as of late as The Wind Rises (with Key Animation by Atsuko Tanaka, Hiroyuki Aoyama and Kazuhide Tomonaga).
$6 million for TMS is a TV Episode for western markets, not a DTV.
I'm not that in touch with KyoAni enough to tell out their animators by name, only by style.
Enough about Doom.
Which cuts? Come on man, anything.
Fine, at the very least you could explain the drawing styles of their animators.
KyoAni did the part with the JL is in the bank fighting the legion of Doom in the first half.
I'm not him.
You're completely, utterly full of bullshit. Why do you want to shit on threads like this, where 5 people post at most and it happens less than once a week?
Kyoani did not work for TMS on Doom, or anything. Nobody will believe your "guesswork", and that's besides the point because you still have no source for the numbers you brought up.
KyoAni only works for KyoAni until further notice. End of story.
No, I'm not, My info comes from 2Ch by the way.
Then explain how KyoAni got the money to do Tamako Market as that show had no sponsors what so ever.
You're kidding me, right?
Tamako Market production committee:
Usagiyama Shopping District
>My info comes from 2Ch
We all know how that works.
>Tamako Market no sponsors whatsoever
TBS and Pony Canyon. KyoAni already had their own money to invest at the time.
I suggest that you turn off the computer and seek psychiatric assistance.
I believe you mean scientists to help him return to his universe.
>My info comes from 2Ch by the way.
Maybe you can link to the thread then :-)
Kyoto Animation=Animation studio
Pony Canyon=Home Video releases
Usagiyama Shopping District=KyoAni actually payed them for royalty reasons,
No one in Japan whats to put in money for a anime thats not based on anything, thats where TMS' outsourcing for Doom comes in.
I have a feeling you haven't got the faintest idea of how a production committee works. You also have yet to cite proper sources for your various claims.
>No one in Japan whats to put in money for a anime thats not based on anything
How about every anime original? Obviously the producers had enough faith in KyoAni to deliver. They even got Yamada to direct.
Yea, but KyoAni is not Ghibli & they leach off of Disney TV profits (before Disney, Ghibli leached off of Toho's Godzila profits).
Tamako Market is why TMS' Doom is more then $6 million (TMS went on to do Aikatsu after Doom came out) to make, TMS dose not do cheapqules as TMS' staff gets payed a arm and a leg.
Return to your universe anon.
>Different batch of animators.
They sure did share alot of the same staff
Thank you, at least someone likes my efforts.
Can we please move away from Doom, it was mostly a train wreck & Elite was the better DTV.
> I'm not him.
Of course you're not. >>100032111
TMS had other outsourcers on Doom you know, on Doom they were Doga Kobo, Ajia-Do & Magic Bus on Key Animation (Ajia-Do & Magic Bus did most of the DTV), Animation-Do however was the only studio that did any Assistance & In-Between animation in Japan (they did everything for everyone in Japan on Doom) as most of that work was done in Korea & China.
What the fuck is going on in this thread?
Yea, I'm not him, thanks for understanding.
Some guy who claims a Green Lantern DCAU movie costs 69 million dollars.
Talking about Justice League Doom's outsourcers.
This topic was ment to be about TMS' latest efforts, but were stuck talking about Doom.
So you basically have no source. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. $6 million for a sub-contract animation job would be unheard of.
>KyoAni did the part with the JL is in the bank fighting the legion of Doom in the first half
I've watched almost every sub-contract works KyoAni did and that scene from Doom doesn't look like anything they've done.
You can easily tell from the effect animation.
Ya blew it.
It's $78 Million, not $69 Million.
Some crazy anon trying to convince people Kyo-ani worked on Doom based on guesswork.
Studios change over time, Doom had the same KyoAni staff as Air, Haruhi & Hyouka.
>Studios change over time
Watch Generator Gawl episode 7 and 11 and compare the effect animation in those episode to Kyoukai no Kanata and Chuunibyou.
They still draw effect animation pretty much the same way they did 15 years ago.
Whys that? Cheapqules are a bad thing that need to be illegal to make (Disney is still making them with the Tinkerbell DTVs and got Planes a release in theaters).
You can't even post n a random cartoon forum without getting banned, why do you think you can make it in /a/?
Also, if your so smart, why don't you point out the subcontractors TMS "did" used on Doom, Ajia-Do & Magic Bus did most of it.
Usagiyama Shopping District is not a real place.
It's a name of a committee formed by KyoAni, TBS and Pony Canyon.
Care to name them?
Wait. Why is /co/ trying to raid /a/?
Realy?!?, Google Translate leaves alot to be looked at.
Again, I'm not that well placed to spot out KyoAni's animators by name.
/co/ is not raiding /a/
Are you guys saying that Magic Bus did more on Doom then I though?
I learned a lot about the industry today, thanks /a/
>relies on google translate
>goes on to spout shit like>>100031865
Nobody from /a/ ever used "Cheapqules" before
Nobody on /co/ either, except you the day before >>>/co/57734999
I wish companies would fund anime originals. Those Space Dandy sketches looked pretty cool :(
>/co/ is not raiding /a/
I think I’m going to use it from now on, just to mess with everyone who read this thread.
You might be a bit slow.
I pointed it out just for your sake, faggot.
Blame Google Translate.
Really, Anime News Network needs to put up a sister site that deals with Japan's US efforts, just to avoid things like this.
Here's another lesson for you:
億 is not billion, it's hundred million
万 is ten thousand
1億円 is about $1 million
100万円 is about $10,000
35億3,372万7,700円 = 3,533,727,700 billion yen, about $35 million
I was not using numbers but $35 million was Little Nemo's budget, not the TMS DC DTVs.
>I was not using numbers
This entire thread
Yea, this topic really went awol.
Back to TMS' newer efforts; The Pilot's Love Song is good.
There's nothing noteworthy about its animation.
Since it's not from the Telecom unit.