Why is he so perfect?
Not even eruerufu could save Valvrave.
He's the only competant character in a cast of buffoons.
Well, other than Cain, I guess.
Valvrave was definitely AOTY 2013.
If I was a woman or gay, L-Elf would be mai husbando. He's so dreamy.
>He's the only competent character in a cast of buffoons.
That's not saying much.
He could have stopped Shoko
>Not being a little girl
Poor Saki was too good for this show ;_;
I finally got time to watch this show and I'm episode 5 or 6 right now. So Saki went and kissed Haruto and I already know about the rape scene, so I'm guessing whatever relationship Haruto wanted with Shoko is pretty much dead.
He just is.
Don't know what this says.
It can't be helped. I have to except the cruelness of reality.
Why do people like her? She pretty much solidified herself as slut material. Haruto wasn't even on her radar before he turned into a hero and then she kissed him knowing that he was interested in another girl.
She's a hot slut
And there's more to a character than their sexual tendencies. She was a pretty well written character.
The rape only made her want him more.
Not even kidding.
>pretty well written character.
I miss episode 6 Saki, she was so great back then.
When she went full MUH HARUTO she became kind of a drag. I still liked her though.
No idea, but she was the only reason why I finished this train wreck
That's some competition. He did damn well considering VVV isn't all that popular.
The second season was not kind to her character.
Only if we pretend S2 didn't exist.
The second season wasn't kind to most of the characters.
The second season was not kind to any character
She may be well written but she's still a shallow selfish slut.
>The rape only made her want him more.
So Shoko finds out about the rape? I guess it doesn't matter since by the rules of anime Haruto has to be with Saki now that he fucke her.
The absolute worst character. People only like her for her body which isn't even that good.
What a faggot.
But really, there are so many great bodies on the show that are better than hers I guess.
Like that P.E. sensei
>So Shoko finds out about the rape?
>Haruto has to be with Saki now that he fucke her.
He proposes to her out of guilt, and she rejects him. He loves Shoko until the "end".
>The absolute worst character. People only like her for her body which isn't even that good.
Her body doesn't look that different from Shoko's or lots of the other girls in the show.
Kinder to her than most.
>People only like her for her body which isn't even that good.
Nigger those are fighting words
Some got good treatment in S2, mainly Satomi and A-drei.
Looking back at it, S1 wasted a lot of screentime on irrelevant things. Almost nothing plot related was established or explored.
I'm a hetero guy and L-Elf is mai husbando.
From the usual Nanami + Kibukawa chat segment in Animedia. Nanami wonders what if A-drei jacked L-elf. Kibukawa says if he did it'd be something like "my mind in his body, my wish!". He then comments that neither of those two are Kamitsuki anyway though.
Must have been why it was so much better than S2.
It's like they crammed a 50 episode show into 24, but didn't know they were going to be doing it that way until the end of the first season.
I agree. This anon >>100011638 got it right. Saki shows that she's a shallow whore in the first 6 episodes.
Just a reminder that the second volume of A-drei's manga goes on sale next month.
You can tell they rewrote Audrey's entire character to please the fujoshits. He went full batshit crazy in episode 12, but then S2 starts and he's one of the most reasonable guys in the show.
Daily reminder that Shoko a shit
>DAT LARGE GAP
rushed plot > no plot
>Shoko a shit
Why because Haruto likes her?
Daily reminder that the robot ate best girl.
RIP in peace Marie.
Because she's the only thing resembling a character in the whole fucking show, Everyone else is just either some bland archetype with no character whatsoever so she's a golden turd in a sea of shit.
Except they always hinted at the more favorable traits of his character, and showed it in more detail in the spinoff manga. The batshit crazy was just there for the sake of cliffhanger and after that he had two months to chill out.
>About 400 votes between 1st and 2nd
>About 200 votes between 2nd and 3rd
>About 400 votes between 3rd and 4th
>About 400 votes between 4th and 5th
Seems pretty even actually.
Actually I gotta say out of all the characters Saki did progress more than the other characters, at the end we see her as a heartbroken longing faithful girl fulfilling a promise to a man that never loved her. She is the heroine of the story.
>Obvious slut homewrecker type character
>golden turd in a sea of shit.
If rushed plot means the shitfest that was S2 then I'd rather have no plot and us being left with even less answers than we got in exchange for nice character interactions.
Proof that waifufags are shit.
Yes really. That is how fucking bad this piece of shit is.
>nice character interactions
are you serious? there was no characterization in S1 at all
>slut homewrecker type character
>Turned down Haruto's proposal for marriage knowing he was just doing it out of guilt and that he still loved Shoko
I love shit like this.
I don't think that makes up for the slut bullshit she pulled in season 1?
Saki was an interesting character. Then she threw that away to lust after Haruto's beta dick.
>1000 vote gap between 1st and 3rd place
Are you fucking stupid?
Yep, pretty close, right?
>mfw Haruto never grows a fucking spine and is still using boku on episode 20
Jesus fucking christ, dude.
Nobody cares bro. If you want a pure waifu type characters there's Iori and Shoko
I like it spicy
An excellent point.
Oh, wow, I need sleep. I read that as 4,973 for first place.
Just because her feelings are genuine later on doesn't mean she wasn't a slut before.
I couldn't stand Haruto through the entire series, but that innocent smile at the end caught me off guard.
And before that she was trying to force Haruto away from Shoko. She didn't care how he really felt (this is reinforced later when she starts celebrating that he's losing his memories), she just wanted to have a special relationship with him and accepting a loveless proposal goes against that.
I think quite the opposite, tragic heroines normally are based around selfish characters at the beginning that began to love the main character as the story continued, you can't deny that. Let's compare Shoko, who without a second thought did the whole "muh memory" thing and betrayed the faggot
People grow up
>And before that she was trying to force Haruto away from Shoko.
She was never trying to force him away from Shoko, in fact she was pretty hands off the entire time
There was. They just threw it all away in S2 for cheap drama and shitty twists, most notably with Shoko.
She never really tried to force Haruto away from Shoko
Not much progress though.
Her character basically became centered around Haruto. Even after 200 years her character can't get over him.
Why is he so perfect?
Not really. I don't get why people complain so much about S2 somehow "destroying" the characters when there was nothing to them to begin with.
Episode 10 she told him off trying to force it in his head that a relationship between them would never work and he should forget about her. She was encouraging his monster complex and throwing him further into his pit of depression and self-hatred.
What a piece of shit. Probably the most hated character in any anime I've seen.
Let's be honest for a fucking minute, you don't think that not going for Shoko could have in fact saved not only the show but his own life?
>200 years pass
>still faithful to the man she loved
>someone is actually complaining
>Episode 10 she told him off trying to force it in his head that a relationship between them would never work and he should forget about her.
Because she was right and that's what Haruto had been driving for to begin with.
>200 years later
>Saki finds a new love
>Wow what a slut
>200 years later
>Saki still faithful
>Wow she still not over him
>Episode 10 she told him off trying to force it in his head that a relationship between them would never work and he should forget about her.
Something Haruto already knew from the get go?
>She was encouraging his monster complex and throwing him further into his pit of depression and self-hatred.
What the fuck?
>She was encouraging his monster complex and throwing him further into his pit of depression and self-hatred.
Good to see that the Saki hatebase is still as retarded as ever.
The only thing that could have saved the show is if he did go after Shoko instead of constantly lying to her and deceiving her destroying their trust. Or just killing them both in episode 1.
>but his own life?
How is Shoko responsible for this?
It's not that I'm complaining, it's just that her character only centered and focused on him. It would have been nice if she actually had made the effort to interact with others. This is why I kind of like her manga since we actually see her having a conversation with someone that isn't Haruto.
I would have preferred she moved on because she deserves a chance at happiness.
She was reminding him of his situation not trying to break in on their relationship. Saki is a person desperate for a special bond with someone even if it means practically getting assaulted
Saki is only shown remembering their promise. Other than that she seems to have moved on just fine.
Shoko is the one who can't get over him.
To me the focal point would have shifted, Ererefu's plans changed drastically due to Haruto's performance without Saki among other things.
Because he's a smart badass albeit a bit dorky and really really socially inept. He attracts strange women, if they count as women at all. Household objects, hair accessories, and Haruto are all excellent weapons and shields for him. Also, most honest character in the whole show. He'll openly say he's using everyone and will explain anything as long as someone bothers to ask. Too bad the M77 kids didn't really bother to ask him much of anything or really try to form thoughts for most of the series. For having a shitty life, he carries himself rather well and isn't a suicidal emo. He has no hobbies aside from making revolution liberation plans aided by the wonders of algebra (or counting sprinklers). He seems pretty calm until someone says the word half or until something self-pitying comes out of Haruto's mouth. By the end of the series he gains an affection for youkan bean jelly and makes a tomodachi, too bad he dies seconds later.
Holy shit, fuck you.
That's not how you spell Shoko.
Nobody spelled a damn thing faggot
Kneejerk reminder that you're a shit and Shoko is love.
Here's the episode 10 conversation. Make of it what you will.
Why does everyone hate Shoko?
Stop using outdated charts.
That spoiler in the end
Not sure if bait
Her character is too deep for /a/ to appreciate.
only seen the first 6 eps so far
She's pretty much right though
You should know not to visit threads until you finish the series. You should really leave before it's too late.
Why the fuck would you come into this thread? Go finish it and you will see why.
>start this show thinking that Shoko is Sumika, Saki is Meiya, and Haruto is Takeru
One of my favorite topics.
I don't really care about spoilers like everyone else. And I have this suspicion things are going to go to shit. Even without all the rape knowledge.
That kinda checks out until the consensual rape.
That's even more retarded than the guy who kept comparing it to KimiNozo.
Shoko and Meiya best girls
Shoko kills Haruto.
I'm glad his smile was protected.
You're probably reading it the wrong way actually. Kinda assumed everyone saw the series as it's been discussed to death here and it finished airing. Enjoy the ride though, and no worries, nothing was spoiled.
Well yeah, should have been >mfw end of episode 10
It's not about whether she's right or not. The point is that telling him all this shit stacks the cards in her favor and she knows it.
And think you're looking too deep into shit.
Lieselotte said the same thing too though initially.
>Character points out teh obvious
>HURR SHE'S OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO STEAL HIM AWAY
Yeah whatever bro
In the end he lost his sugar, must have had to eat a lot of youkan to keep his bitterness in check.
Saki just voiced out the elephant in the room (that Haruto himself also considered in episode 2 when he no longer confessed to Shoko). Shoko is to blame for not sticking by Haruto, even in S1. Haruto was running off with Saki alone many times, but she didn't bother asking what was up with Haruto or if something is wrong. She drifted apart from Haruto too. Side characters were making more efforts for their relationship than themselves. Even Marie, in S1, she egges Haruto on that something is upsetting Shoko (it was dealing with her dad) before he goes oh yeah I should probably talk to her.
because he has a gun
Anon, not everything is from tumblr just because you disagree with it.
They didn't really handle the relationships well in this show.
And you're clearly not looking deep enough. She pulled the same at the movie theater with her 'pity me I'm alone just like you' act in a desperate attempt to convince him they resonated. If there's one thing Saki is good at it's manipulating the feelings of no self-esteem losers.
Good lord you're pathetic.
I actually can't think of anything they handled well.
Hahahaha is this really how shipperfags think?
The music was great.
They were good at writing things poorly.
>She pulled the same at the movie theater with her 'pity me I'm alone just like you' act in a desperate attempt to convince him they resonated.
All this beta.
Unrelated anon but just because he doesn't like Saki doesn't mean he likes Shoko.
They did a pretty good job pissing their entire fanbase off.
Not at all. Even Satomi/Takahi was not great, despite their ending wedding. Ugh, I guess somewhere along the lines Takahi started feeling something? It seemed like it was more leaning her towards Thunda than anything.
She's always had something for Satomi...they just never fucking developed or show her actually accepting it.
Not him but I'm not seeing any arguments.
I would tell you to check my IP if you could.
If you so kid. If you actually took anything in that post seriously then you're almost as sad as him.
Her problem with Satomi is that he didn't take the initiatve or was forceful enough, he manned up quite a bit during the Earth mission. Them also thinking they were going to die may have helped out as well, living through all of that together probably made them closer. We have no real idea when the wedding took place either.
Yeah except we don't see an actual reaction to it.
>If you actually took anything in that post
No, I just like seeing reasons. Thats all.
That too, and Satomi was also more focused on Akira and once he saw that Akira was doing better and out of her box, he was able to move on and worry about someone else (his wife).
Iori was Nina v2.0.
Also, in the end all Haruto had was L-Elf, just like all Lelouche had was Suzaku. I'm beginning to notice a disturbing pattern. Anyway, I'm glad neither won the Harutob owl, in a way, because Saki deserves better and Shoko deserved to suffer for her betrayal.
>By the end of the series he gains an affection for youkan bean jelly and makes a tomodachi, too bad he dies seconds later.
Are you retarded?
>Iori was Nina v2.0.
So Iori was in love with Haruto and also had an ex-Zeon boyfriend who operates on "muh ideals?"
He watches VVV, so take a guess.
Fuck. I mean a Zeon ex-boyfriend there.
Her superweapon wasn't impractical though.
Glad the edge brigade is out tonight.
Think they mean Nina from Geass, at least Iori didn't make a nuke.
Woops, I did completely forget her. Iori didn't rape tables though.
Would you let L-Elf fuck your waifu?
Hard mode: you can't eat his cum out of her vagina afterwards
Too bad she didn't. I'd say Iori, aided by Jeffrey and her ARUS buddies, goes full Patrick Zala Genesis against the module and kamitsukis in S3, but there will never be a S3.
They never assassinated his character.
That would be considered masturbation on his part.
Because he never had a character
Only if waifu is an alien.
If he wanted to fuck her then she's probably his waifu, in which case he'd probably just kill you.
Whoa, that'd cool actually. And then they start experimenting on humans by pumping them full of drugs and shit. Then give L-Elf a cyber-newtype girlfriend to die around episode 40ish.
This really should have been 50 episodes.
If the fact that it is a Sunrise original by the CG team wasn't already a spoiler enough, the end of the second OP sure as hell was.
What if your waifu thought he was really hot, and asked you to let him fuck her on her birthday as her birthday present.
L-Elf will do it but he has no romantic feelings.
Dr. Tokishima would come out of the woodworks and pull something crazy too.
Iori killed Haruto and twisted Shoko into turning against him. She's way worse than Nina or even Ougi ever was.
Who's the best Vuvuvu and why is it Lieselotte?
L-elf is pragmatic, unless he has something to gain by fucking her, doubt it. Even though he loved Lieselotte, not sure he ever expected to get anything from her.
Honestly I can't see L-Elf even wanting to bother, he'd probably prefer to eat some youkan and take a nap.
>Only shows the girls
Why did L-Elf suddenly start liking Haruto at the end?
He didn't, he even thought he was being ridiculous.
Obviously I mean best Vuvuvu grills.
L-Elf doesn't count.
Anon, they were always tomodachis.
Honestly, I would say A-drei; however, from your choices I'll say Saki.
He confuses the meaning of "friend." In the L-elf dictionary, friend = punching bag. Haruto was a great friend in episode 22.
He already fucked my waifu in canon.
Something snapped in him during the fight.
Yes, he was.
He was the best girl, he had the happiest end anyway.
And this is why he punched L-Elf.
This, best. Reminder that she'll never get to raincheck her tea time with H-neun.
Ponytail Audrey is a miracle of the universe.
>CGI waifu wars on the moon
I should have laughed more at this episode than I did.
L-Elf ditched him on Earth to conquer the universe with a bunch of retards. There's nothing happy for him like that.
Man, remember when we all thought that Satomi was going to be the biggest shit, and he was going to be the one to sell everyone out for The Good of Everyone Else?
It's almost funny how much he changed on that Earth trip
He liked him ever since episode 1 when Haruto channeled Lieselotte.
In S3, he'll be sporting a ponytail always. Wedding scene was a foreshadowing of what's to come.
Not like she even cared. She was only using him for his info.
>"my soul in his body, my wish!"
Yeah, this sounds like A-drei.
He made up with him and liberated Dorssia, he got pretty much everything he wanted.
Daily reminder to never vote for the YOLO party and always support Satomi.
H-neun didn't care if she used him either. He wanted to be used.
What's funny is how obvious the writer's favoritism shines though. He's the only one to get positive character development and a truly happy end. It's like they didn't care at all about anyone else.
She did care. Warned him about being careful and not doing something brash, like going to the Grunau mansion alone, because they had plans in motion.
And then Shoko started talking about halfsies in the end, wonder if it annoyed him or if he finally got over it.
Akira did too and finally found a place where she belongs.
Aside from mistakenly killing his comrade and probably suffering over that. X-eins also died, his tea time will be lonely. Cockroaches are still alive and not an extinct species. So yeah, mostly happy end.
Dr. Tokishima creates mini-Elf in in a lab by mixing the chromosomes of his dead son with L-Elf''s. However, the nucleotides in mini-Elf's DNA are unstable and begin to breakdown while he is still in the surrogate's (Saki) womb. Thus the fetus is put into cryogenic stasis until a solution is found by the golden seven when they go to the home planet of the magius.
I'm glad he was most likely dead when she said that. It would be insulting toward Haruto and Lieselotte's memory hearing Shoko say it.
The country L-Elf founds will be free of cockroaches, A-Drei will be tempted between his love of Dorssia and a home free of roaches.
Shoko became his new punching bag.
What happened to nerd Otamaya? He wasn't in the wedding scene, and he didn't die AFIK. Oh yeah, and tits sensei and Kibukawa. They were all more relevant than Iori and green buns yet we see them.
She's probably been saying that ever since she became a pilot.
They're there, they were the ones filming.
It's a tribute to Haruto and his philosophy on life. Shoko was around when Haruto first talked about splitting things in half and L-elf went full ham eggs.
He was recording the wedding with his nerd friends.
Cool, missed them. But sensei and Kibukawa are still MIA.
Yeah, what Shoko was really talking about was compromise which is what Haruto wanted. It's just the word "half" that sets L-Elf off.
They're on their honeymoon.
They eloped and were off on their own honeymoon.
This is worse than Audrey/Saki and L-Elf/Shoko. He fucking left her to die on the module full of bullet wounds without giving a single fuck.
I think she's smart enough not to be a hypocrite around him. Either that or she loses all her memories and starts developing that way of thinking naturally.
The statue is a tribute. Walking around saying the exact same words Haruto used to say when she did everything to go against it is just insulting.
Somehow going full galactic empire doesn't match with going halfsies, but I guess they can try to compromise and negotiate with the new alien species at first and then crush them if they try anything against them.
They aren't 15 year old teenagers. He just acted like an adult and cared about the safety of the students, plus he knew she was safe. She didn't die, did she?
Who knows, she did get up and talked with Iori so assuming she was fine and lived.
They probably ended up with a lot of alien alliances.
So L-elf was the founder, right? Since Haruto's considered one of "the first knights".
Lelouch died in Nunnally's lap.
>sights are fucking useless
>heavy useless furniture out of presumably metal
>the whole fucking gun looks like it's a solid chunk of metal
At least he has trigger discipline
2/10 would not operate with.
How exactly is that being a hypocrite? There's no real no reason to believe L-Elf would hold anything against her either.
Haruto is the knight for Shoko but for L-elf and Saki he's definitely the founder.
Shoko is the founder. Haruto is the knight. L-Elf is the emperor.
Shoko is still a politician 200 years later. She says what people want to hear like YOLO, moon festival, and splitting things in half and compromising. In the end she does the opposite or something, like a true politician.
Haruto and L-Elf were more like co-founders.
I recall hearing something the other day about the staff saying they'd like to work on more VVV if they could? Anyone hear about it?
>Shoko is still a politician 200 years later.
Okuchi had said on twitter he'd like to make more but that it's not up to him, Kimura also wouldn't mind.
Apparently people aren't allowed to learn from their past mistakes and better themselves. Or at least not if they're Shoko.
Ikeya also mentioned it in a recent article too I think.
>How exactly is that being a hypocrite?
Because that's not something Shoko truly believes in? The whole reason why Haruto brought it up during ham and eggs was because Shoko was against Haruto's own way of thinking.
L-elf was never a Shoko fan and he takes loyalty to his former friends very seriously. If anything I'd say there's no real reason to believe L-elf would forget it that easily.
She's the one that still does the greeting and talking with the other races. Satomi as cabinet secretary still rushes over to inform the others like Akira and Saki of what is going on in the module. If you think about it, their roles are seem to remain. Shoko's character is that of a politician, at least, it's one way to explain her character change in S2. Moses was a nice dude at first too, told M77 exactly what they wanted to hear, that ARUS was there to help them. Didn't do that, ARUS just wanted the powerful robot too and were willing to throw the kids to Dorssia went shit hit the fan.
It's really up to Aniplex since they hold the purse strings, if they could get Nana and TMR to make another song I could see them considering something.
Tumblr and animesuki rumors as usual.
>She's the one that still does the greeting and talking with the other races
Did you miss the part where Satomi said they were intruding the Memorial Core? She wasn't there to greet them because that's her job, she just happened to be there.
Exactly, I'm glad we're in agreement.
The Okuchi one isn't a rumor, check out his twitter account.
What are scans and twitter posts? But you seem to think the world revolves around AS and tumblr for every bit of information.
Yes but that's not the one that started the rumor.
There's a rumor that started there about S3 being basically confirmed if fans buy more merchandise.
Shoko's the one smoothing things over, Satomi still panics. That's always been her job throughout the series. It makes sense that she would continue to do that as well as incorporate Haruto's wish in her negotiations and greetings. Doesn't mean she has to still be the leader of the entire empire, but she's the PR figure.
>Shoko's the one smoothing things over
>That's always been her job throughout the series
Yeah, she did a real great job with the students during their BAKEMONO phase.
>but she's the PR figure.
Still needing a citation.
Haruto's way of halfsies was giving up without a fight and suffering so the other side can be happy. Shoko's version is splitting both the happiness and the pain so both sides get equal treatment. She's had 200 years to rethink herself and, after the events of the last few episodes, it would be foolish to think she's the same person she was in episode one.
This one I did not hear yet so can't say, but the twitter ones have been confirmed and posted here by a few anons that check Okouchi's twitter. Ikeya's comments were in the latest magazine I believe, also posted on here.
>S3 being basically confirmed if fans buy more merchandise
What >>100018908 asked had nothing to do with that. They asked about the staff members' comments about their personal interest in working on more if they were to have the opportunity.
>Yeah, she did a real great job with the students during their BAKEMONO phase.
>Character fucked up once
>They are irredeemable piece of shit forever
>gets moses killed with her independence
>can't do anything right except cook jelly
>invites soldiers to her backyard
>gives up on close friends because they forget muh promise
>cry in a corner when everything goes to shit
>try to coexist when the empire is all founded for her and she becomes immortal
Maybe I'd buy merchandise if it wasn't all fujobait and sticker kits.
She had a few episodes to actually get the students in order, yet she did nothing but cry and put on the bitch act.
For fuck's sake Midori and Nanami were the ones who tired to clear the situation.
>They are irredeemable piece of shit forever
I never said that.
Here's your citation: L-elf saw her as a leader of the students, wanted her to accept his proposal for M77's future, the students looked up to her to figure stuff out after declaring independence, she set up the conference with ARUS in S2 and Jeffrey demanded answers from her specifically regarding the bakemono thing. She messed up in S2 because she wasn't going halfsies. The writing is lacking, obviously, but the epilogue implies Shoko is now getting it right because she's going halfsies and taking Hito responsibility.
Hey, that's /a/ logic and look at all the dumbfucks still with grudges
Lets face it though, they were just looking for a reason to hate Shoko since the beginning
Which is why I said she's a great politician. Politicians take credit for someone else's hard work behind the scenes. She's great at saying the nice things the majority want to hear at the time, but when stuff goes wrong, they are nowhere to be found and answer questions.
>L-elf saw her as a leader of the students, wanted her to accept his proposal for M77's future
She's the one who made the independence proposal.
>Jeffrey demanded answers from her specifically regarding the bakemono thing
She was the PM, of course they were going to question her.
She was the face of the module, yeah, but that doesn't mean she kept being a politician after 200 years.
They never gave her answers to begin with
Anon, you seem to think politicians do shit. Therein lies the problem.
Haruto killed Cain because he had a different coexistence in his mind, that's not giving up without a fight. Haruto wanted to avoid conflict but he almost never hesitated when his friends were at risk if he gave up. It's hard to say what Shoko's current version is, all we see is her trying to coexist with some aliens while repeating Haruto's theory. It's funny how you say she changed but she didn't change one bit in 200 years because she's still depending on Haruto for something she used to be good at (making friends).
When did Shoko ever take credit for someone else's work? The only person to ever actually do this was Satomi.
The other anon mentioned how she was still a politician after 200 years because she gave the aliens a pep talk. I just said there's no proof of that, and then it went off into something else.
>L-elf saw her as a leader
Cool quote, what's your source? Your fanfiction?
Joke's on you, I used to like Shoko before realizing how dependent on Haruto she was.
>Man, remember when we all thought that Satomi was going to be the biggest shit, and he was going to be the one to sell everyone out for The Good of Everyone Else?
Yeah he would have actually amounted to something instead of being a waste of space.
How is it favoritism when he didn't do shit of worth? It's easy to give unimportant side characters happy endings without even trying.
Yeah, if by fanfiction you mean episode 7, see the cooking scene. L-elf figured that if Shoko agreed to his militarization proposal of M77, the students would be on board. Funny, why did he ask her and not Haruto? Or Satomi? Because she was the face of the students and the students randomly started following her after she declared independence. There's even a line where, Takahi, I believe, says it was your idea to declare independence now do something about it.
Not him but she was the one he gave his plans for New JIOR to, although after she rejected him he staged a coup.
Sought her out particularly. She's a convenient face to him. Also, if he got Shoko on his side, he could also get Haruto. This was pre coffee sugar understanding.
Is this when VVV first aired or was announced? No idea otherwise.
I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about L-elf seeing her as leader material. She was the one who came up with a crazy idea about independence when no one else knew what to do, of course she would be the one the students would pay attention to and therefore the ideal person to hand over those notes. He didn't see her as a particularly good leader, he even laughed at her plan.
Friendship day in Japan?
Perhaps because Haruto pilots VVV 1 and L-elf is L-11?
He may have been laughing because the independent nation plan may have been what he was planning, see him laughing his ass off at A-Drei when they had the same agenda.
New to pixiv? They do this for everything.
Guessing the 1 is for VVVI. 11/3 was L-elfxA-drei day for example.
He laughed because he was planning the same thing and he beat her to the punch. Similar to when he started laughing at Audrey when he told him about his plans for revolution.
Akira did pretty well too. No major traumas in s2, decent development, and seems pretty much herself after 200 years.
>her beat her
*she beat him
We are in agreement then, because I don't think he saw her as a leader material either, just puppet material. An easier puppet than Haruto who had turned him down in episode 3. She's a pretty face that says the nice stuff and incites morale. Behind her others do the work, like the Earth crew and their efforts. She just goes on TV shows and tries to muster charisma for their nation. Which is what she is doing with the aliens too. Trying to be nice, understanding.
>11/3 was L-elfxA-drei day for example.
I did not know that. Wow, all these years and I've never bothered to pay attention to that.
I doubt it, he was confused when Shoko started talking about it. If it was in his plans he would have figured it out before she spelled it out for everyone with a dramatic MASAKA line somewhere.
>No major traumas in s2
Aside from her first friend turning into a cunt anyway. But at least they seem to have made up by the end.
What shocked him was her proposing giving the Valvrave to Dorssia and ARUS, we didn't really see his reaction to independence other than being annoyed and asking who she was (then he started laughing).
Most likely yes.
L-elf probably thought of proposing to the students to start attacking Dorssia or become more militaristic in order to counter them. He was trying to use their families being held hostage as a reason for inciting anti-Dorssia sentiments. It's not so much the independence part that is crazy, it was her idea of giving the robot to whoever as bargaining chip that was ridiculous.
pixiv looks for any excuse to have holidays depending on the numbers in the date; cat ear day, knee-high day, pocky day, etc. Not that I can remember the numbers they each correspond to in moon.
>it was her idea of giving the robot to whoever as bargaining chip that was ridiculous.
But Dorssia attacked and she didn't give the robot to ARUS. WHAT A LYING BITCH.
And in the end that part of her plan was utterly ridiculous, Dorssia didn't give a fuck and blew up Figaro's ship right away. New JIOR would have ended swiftly if he decided to sit on his ass.
Using the VVV was the only way they could declare independence like that, though. I think he had something else planned and the whole independence deal caught him by surprise. He could be laughing at how naive that girl was for thinking that Dorssia would just sit still and behave.
Saki was the same of Lieselotte.
She did not believed in coexistence at first, but if you read the manga when she is talking with A-Drei she says the exact opposite line of what she said in the third image here >>100013753
The first knights was just a title for people who died in battle. There's no reason Haruto couldn't also be considered the founder or a founder along with L-Elf.
>He could be laughing at how naive that girl was for thinking that Dorssia would just sit still and behave.
Probably so, he was right of course. He knew the moment she said it that that plan wouldn't work.
Haruto didn't believe it or he wouldn't have built walls.
Specifically those who died in battle before the country was founded.
I never watched any of season 2.
What happened? How did it end?
I want to cum all over his ahoge.
Haruto was just a retard in S2 (or better: the staff decided to wrote him as a retard). Clearly Saki was wrong and selfish in that moment, but she wasn't a bitch with him and humans (quite the opposite, since she cooperated very well both with A-Drei and L-Elf), same applies to Satomi and Akira. Haruto was like a blind person who can't see what is happening around him.
Haruto won da Eruerufu.
People are allowed to change their minds. Both Saki, L-elf, and Akira softened up as the show progressed. Similarly, Satomi hardened up as the show progressed and was more decisive. Iori stopped being meek and took action, wrong or right as she was.
Get in line.
I hope people who call Saki a bitch won't watch White Album 2 (even if she is more similar to Kazusa as personality, she has Setsuna's role in the story, with some huge difference).
I hope they don't either. Nobody deserves suffering through that shit.
>Implying he's the only one.
Okay, watching it, bitches make things move along. Debated whether White Album would be boring.
Rion is the best. Why isn't there any porn of her?
Tell me more about your shit taste, anon.
How come the only thing Harutofags and Shokofags can do is blame the writers for their favorite character's incompetence?
Air particles can't cum Cain, go back to being dead.
People who never watch Babureibu likes Aina and Rion
How does this make you feel?
They also think Aina got good ending too.
If you think Saki was a bitch, Setsuna will just be the hugest cunt you have ever seen.
She doesn't deserve all the hate she got here on 4chan, though.
>start a coexistence revolution
>kill those who don't agree with it
>create and expand an empire territory all over the galaxy
>the only choice invading aliens have is to join your coexistence
A-drei and Saki kiss while she's in a shota body
90% of the Module dies
Shoko betrays Haruto and sells him to ARUS
L-Elf and Haruto have a lover's spat in the Moon
A-drei finds out the truth and releases Saki
Saki saves L-Elf and Haruto
Shoko cries and is an useless bitch
Thunder dies, Akira cries
L-Elf the Liberator, the person who exposes the truth to the world
Prue is reunited with Pino
Haruto dies, L-Elf cries
The council is PURGED by FREEDOM
A-drei liberates Dorssia with the royalists
Satomi and Takahi marry
A-drei will marry L-Elf
Mini-Elf gets history lessons from Satomi, Saki and Akira
Shoko invites aliens to have sex with her in exchange of their membership of the Empire
>Shoko invites aliens to have sex with her in exchange of their membership of the Empire
I hate you for making me relive this scene
I wouldn't say Saki is a bitch, maybe prior to episode 6, yes, but afterwards no. Do people think Zessica was a bitch? Because she said almost the same thing to Amata, oh it's fate for Mikono to be with Kagura due to Appollon story. I just hear people feeling sorry for Zessica not calling her a bitch.
That sums up my complete thoughts on this show.
They've been misinterpreting their characters ever since S1 and refuse to admit it, just ignore them.
Because the very beginning of the second season had Haruto acting like a good character, sharing his fucking curse, like every character (except Shoko) was sharing pain and happiness with someone else. Making him go back to be stupid and regressing his character is just bad writing.
His death was pointless, he could have lived with few years of memories if he decided to accept the help other people were offering.
In fact, I never call her a bitch and I don't think she is, given her development and her reasons, but since people think she was a bitch, I was just warning the anon about anon character.
Saki is made a prisoner. Cain aggressively penetrates her on LIVE tv broadcast.
The writers have, yeah. Unfortunately ignoring them is not an option.
>get along with us or we'll kill you with our giant robots
His definition of UNDERSTANDING is one I can get behind.
He sure goes "halfsies" doesn't he.
>sharing his fucking curse
With L-Elf. Who Haruto saw as a tool, not a person. He was still adamant about not letting anyone else pilot regardless of the circumstances.
If you cut them in half, it's still halfsies.
I laughed. That's very much L-elf mentality.
>Who Haruto saw as a tool, not a person.
This is wrong. Haruto admired L-Elf. He wasn't a tool, he was someone so amazing an earthworm like himself couldn't possibly hurt. Or so he assumed.
He backed off when L-Elf actually display weakness and respected that.
>Who Haruto saw as a tool, not a person.
Who had a goal and was using Haruto as well. It is not like Haruto didn't had reasons to feed on him, L-Elf was using him too, it wasn't helping for free.
But the point is that you have: Shoko sharing everything with aliens, Satomi sharing everything with Akira, Saki sharing her loneliness and part of her happiness (not being misunderstood) with A-Drei. Now, watch at Haruto's death and actions: for me, they go against everything the anime was trying to convey. His character was just pointless and his death useless.
Well it works I guess, they try to get along with aliens when they encounter them but if they don't want to get along they'll take them out. Works with his "if you're going to be killed then kill" mindset.
I want to erect that ahoge.
I think Haruto easily forgot that L-Elf was a person with his own feelings since he kept his poker face on 99% of the time, actually most of those around him were probably the same. I wonder if any of them questioned why he was even helping them.
>Haruto admired L-Elf
>he didn't see him as a tool
>he was someone so amazing an earthworm like himself couldn't possibly hurt
Are we watching the same series?
Haruto shared his curse with L-elf because he didn't care about whether he hurts L-elf or not. The guy killed him in episode one, basically looks down on everyone, and resorts to violence as the answer. Haruto had serious issues with L-elf. He admired his intelligence and ability to plan as well as skills, but Haruto pretty much thought L-elf was a human monster that had no feelings or regards for anyone. That's until Lieselotte feelings are revealed to Haruto both by the crying over the picture and Lieselotte telling Haruto "Michael says he loves me." Haruto then thinks, well, if he's capable or love and caring for someone like that then he might be an okay guy.
He shared his dream and convictions with L-elf. I agree his death should have been avoided, for different reasons however.
>He backed off when L-Elf actually display weakness and respected that.
Which was something dumb because of pic related.
They are both two guys that are motivated by saving and doing something for their love interests. When it fails for both of them, they come up with a new goal together, that succeeds. Haruto chips in that they should reveal the truth of the world (L-elf executes it) and L-elf says we'll make a new nation (Haruto executes by defeating Cain).
Haruto's dense and a moron. I like him a lot (really) but he's not observant. L-Elf repressed his feelings and he took him at face value. He also had a hero worship and an inferiority complex around him. He blamed him of stuff because of that same hero worship, he saw him as some kind of invincible Superman who would save the day if he cared. He just missed that he wasn't infallible and could be emotionally fragile. Not because he was callous "he's a tool" but because he saw him above that. "You always looked down me!" hurt accusation rang bells.
You mustn't watched Valvrave. Haruto's been at awe with him since episode 7. L-Elf was the difficult one. Cain and Lieselotte says Haruto is a good friend to L-Elf (not that they were friends, which I've seen mistranslated). Haruto's speech to Lieselotte is nothing but praise and envy of how glorious L-Elf is.
They were honest in the Moon. They still have 'secrets' of no relevance. But their feelings were shared fully in the Moon. L-Elf too.
>Haruto shared his curse with L-elf because he didn't care about whether he hurts L-elf or not.
Yeah, no. He was willing to die for L-Elf in episode 12. He shared his curse with L-Elf because he didn't think he was getting hurt. Weak girls like Shoko and Saki couldn't handle it, but L-Elf?
This only proves my point.
Satomi shares both pain and happiness with Akira, just like Haruto was sharing his curse and his goal with L-Elf. They were doing and going in the right direction at the beginning.
Haruto caring for L-Elf makes obviously sense, he is that kind of character. Haruto stopping hurting him doesn't make sense.
Haruto is not a hero, he never was intended to be and will never be. The responsibility he had is ridiculously huge and makes no sense in this world to not share part of it with someone, especially if this someone wants something back (and I'm talking of both Saki and L-Elf).
Haruto's actions at the end are ridiculous because they go against everything rational.
Ehm, read the quoted text too. I was not talking of their feelings.
Makes one wonder what those secrets are. Probably related that they both regard the other as a friend and have something they admire in them.
That's bitter. Haruto already considered L-elf a friend way before his moment with Lieselotte, he's just really dull, slow and bad at expressing his feelings to others. You can see it in some of Haruto's actions like when he tried to stop Cain or when he trusts L-elf to do the right thing. Trusting him with the curse wasn't as simple as sharing it with a stranger he doesn't care about because he said he'd share their dreams and hopes too. I know you think Haruto did all of these things for their common goal and even though I do agree part of it was convenience, I think some other part was genuine trust he had in him as a friend. Haruto is naive as fuck, even though he's always eying L-elf suspiciously I think he trusts and cares for the guy in his own way. The moment with Lieselotte was more about her own feelings and sacrificing them to protect L-elf like Haruto did for Shoko.
Yeah, Haruto thought L-Elf could fix anything if he tried like he was some kind of miracle maker. I think the gassing of the module helped allieviate that.
Saki's rape and A-Drei's revolution/eye. Not that hard.
That scene is called total trust and meant to be positive for L-Elf and Haruto (episode 13) relationship.
So you're misunderstanding it as you misunderstand Haruto. Haruto saw L-Elf as someone he was going to save (episode 8).
L-Elf didn't tell him about his childhood.
Haruto retook the curse after he learned what exactly he was feeding on, they weren't completely sure what Runes even were in episode 13 other than information particles. Haruto was absolutely disgusted when he saw the people in the Phantom, after that I doubt he touched L-Elf's neck again until episode 24.
Thanks to A-drei, Saki probably has a few books worth of that.
Is this worth spending ~8 hours of my life watching?
>he was someone so amazing an earthworm like himself couldn't possibly hurt
I'm pretty sure the one who didn't watch Valvrave wasn't me.
Yes, and episode 24 wasn't to feed but to 'fight'. The lack of the weird face marks should have been a clue.
I'm sure you're the only one here who disagrees with that. He admits he's envious of him and looks up him. When he finally notices he's hurt L-Elf, Haruto feels like dying.
Was he willing to die for him in episode 12 though? More like he was buying time for L-elf to flee and save the rest, Haruto was immortal so at that point he still didn't know whether he can die or not and it seemed like the logical thing to do, L-elf agreed. Sure, L-elf can physically handle things better than the girls or even Jewbro who couldn't fend off beast Haruto alone in episode 3, but once Haruto and co. learn about the runes and memory loss he realizes that's not something related to physical powers but rather memories. Haruto cycled between whether he liked or hated L-elf throughout the show, his opinion of his changed in episode 8 but after Jewbro and Thundah became pilots he once again mistrusted L-elf. He told the Earthcrew L-elf will have a plan, let's trust him, but after he shot Marie he went back to hating him and having doubts.
>For fuck's sake Midori and Nanami were the ones who tired to clear the situation.
I still have no idea why they didn't have Shoko do this. It would have made far more sense for her character and also would have helped damage control the hatred they should have seen coming.
If you liked the characters pretend S2 doesn't exist.
If you hated them then enjoy the ride.
>after he shot Marie he went back to hating him and having doubts
That didn't really go anywhere and was dropped by the next episode.
I like how you show no evidence to support you other than your misinterpretations of unrelated scenes. Watch episodes 7, 13 or 24. Haruto never hesitates to hurt L-elf's body when necessary and he never claims being disgusted with himself whenever he had to use his body.
No, he was willing to die. He was serious about wanting to protect him.
Haruto didn't cycled whether he liked of not L-Elf. He reacted to L-Elf's actions not to his person. He liked him as a person, but not always agreed with what he did. It's like you're an autism who has never gotten a real relationship in your life. Haruto didn't hate L-Elf for shooting Marie, he was angry he always resorted to violence. Ikeya spoke a little of their relationship in one of the Animedias, was it?
There was no 'hatred' from Haruto's side. You're confusing angry at your friend actions with 'hatred'.
I've watched those episodes and in none of them he's hurting him from his POV.
They didn't do it because Shoko is weak when Haruto isn't there to support her.
Haruto was angry that he made Marie pilot VVV1 but calmed down when L-elf mentioned to resume the plan. Off-screen, L-elf probably showed what Akira streamed to him: the other members of the Earth Team have been captured. Haruto wouldn't be so petty that he'll let his hate of L-elf cost the lives of others.
Then you clearly don't understand Haruto's POV. He spells it out for you that they'll share the pain in 13 and that L-elf can die in 7.
>Haruto retook the curse after he learned what exactly he was feeding on
As I said, all the character share both pain and happiness, that is something Shoko says at the end. Sharing only happiness is stupid and childish.
Haruto in episode 1 wanted just to share the grounds to avoid fighting and suffering. You have the anime that ends with Shoko saying more or less the same thing, BUT she adds even the pain, because that is something realistic.
Shoko fixed Haruto's distorted logic. And that logic was gone back in episode 13, because Haruto realized the curse could and was hurting someone. The fact he decided to stop feeding on L-Elf is just going back to episode 1 and denying all his development.
He was acting like a hero he never was intended to be, it is something stupid and the writers should have realized his drama will never be perceived as painful by the vast majority of the watchers, because it is just forced and pointless with the events of the anime.
It is like they didn't learn anything from the first season, where they had to add the rape to make the viewer realize how dangerous the curse was. Even there, haruto's drama was almost unbelievable, because he was the only one whining SO MUCH and not realizing the good side of the curse with fucktons of characters pointing it out. But at least in S1 it made sense, since he was not going explicitly against the logic of the anime.
Was it total trust, purely trust at that point? Haruto seemed annoyed with L-elf after he revealed about the transmitter he placed on him, like L-elf was always in control of him. That's why he suggested feeding on L-elf, as a way to control him (maybe spite him) and equally burden him. I thought it was a moment where Haruto had spine for once, he took charge of the situation and didn't let L-elf bully him, he knew L-elf needed those robots to work and it was an offer he couldn't refuse. They were playing chess that entire scene. L-elf equally because he said he'd just find a new pilot then, something Haruto didn't want, to spread the curse.
In episode 7, they were enemies. He still shows concern for him. Haruto's also going to die if it fails, or did you forget? He takes a risk, both of them do. In the following episode 8, Haruto vows he'll protect L-Elf.
In Episode 13, Haruto rejects feeding on people he can't share his life, curse and hope with. The rest are weak and get cursed. He trusts L-Elf while he doesn't trust anyone else as he trusts him. Ikeya talks about this as their trust synced 100%.
What I am to understand? Your deluded and out of character headcanon?
She could also be autism but either I like this one more.
L-Elf was willing to share. He wasn't in control because otherwise he would have slapped Haruto shit for proposing halsifies. It was total trust from their immature selves.
>he decided to stop feeding on L-Elf
>believing in whatever Haruto says during the heat of battle
Yeah, no. I'm calling the whole stopping feeding on L-elf thing speculah until I hear from the writers.
Think you're bringing the manga into this, in the anime he didn't care about the tracking device and said "that's just like you" in an off hand manner.
Haruto's not a mastermind, anon. He's a fucking retard.
It's great how ignore that Haruto literally says he shares the pain with L-elf. The point was proving you were wrong when you said Haruto would never hurt him because he had some sort of inferiority complex.
But feel free to use your headcanon fanfiction as evidence anytime.
Why are anons making like if Haruto was some cool overload who can manipulate L-Elf? Is this a bizarro valvrave?
Akira is best, maybe Kriem.
Haruto - Shoko
>Haruto doesn't want to hurt Shoko
>Haruto doesn't have the chance to fix things with her and talk properly
Haruto - L-Elf
>Haruto doesn't want to hurt L-Elf
>Haruto end up dying not having the chance to enjoy his little happiness - making new memories
It would have really worked and felt as a tragic and dramatic end if Sunrise and the staff were good at handling drama and characters.
>It's great how ignore that Haruto literally says he shares the pain with L-elf.
Please show me the screencap of that.
You make it sound like he was always there holding her hand, which isn't true at all.
Even after he killed her dad and she was a complete mess over it she immediately jumped to take action and help a friend. Then we have the shuttle where she just sits around doing nothing until two side characters steal what should have been her moment to step in and do something useful.
Not them but he did say he wanted to share everything with him.
This garbage show is over, let it go homosexuals.
Which was retconned as muh cave promise gave me strength to do all things in episode 20 and onwards.
It is not speculah, he himself said it and we have never seen L-Elf loosing memories. If the writers will say he was still using L-Elf's Runes it will be just retcon and shitting on your own work.
But however, the point is he was using his own Runes from episode 17 to the end, using L-Elf's too would have avoided his death and achieved the same result-
>Haruto seemed annoyed with L-elf after he revealed about the transmitter he placed on him
Not at all, he was amused. And I disagree with everything else, Haruto didn't do it out of spite. L-elf was the only person he could (he's strong and can take the burden) and should (they have a contract) trust. It had nothing to do with being in control or having the upper hand.
Not him and not following the discussion, but here you go.
Even if he did keep feeding on L-Elf it would have been for a very short period of time (at most a few days), once Lieselotte died he left L-Elf alone.
>2 Days without a thread
You guys were hungry.
He wanted to share the curse and the hope with him. The curse is the VVV and the hope is their goal. L-Elf wanted the VVV badly.
He never said he wanted to hurt L-Elf. That anon is so retarded that believes anger is the same as hatred too. Haruto took L-Elf as his friend earnestly in episode 8 onwards, but he did not always understand him. It's similar to the Shoko situation, but lesser. His admiration for him didn't give him a realistic expectations of the man.
He was immediately sorry or taken aback or surprised when L-Elf displayed weakness. Not Haruto's some bastard who saw L-Elf as a tool, but because he looked up him greatly and those tears and frustration were beneath him.
Haruto never learned that L-elf was losing memories either, so for all we know like you said, kept feeding except then there's the scene in episode 17 where he says he'll bear the curse alone and newtype L-elf appears saying he'll use him then until the end, be prepared.
It would still have helped Haruto not using his own Runes.
But, well, he did say he was going to not share the curse, so it is from episode 17 to 24.
I don't see there any "I want to hurt L-Elf, but I want to share all I am with him." What's more show of trust?
Haruto is generally a nice guy and probably can't hate anyone period, even their worst enemy. I'm not arguing that Haruto full on hates L-elf or anyone for that matter, but he doesn't trust him either or agree with his methods. There are times in the show when he really doubts him and gets angry, tries to punch L-elf several times. He doesn't get angry and punch others in the show like that, like Satomi when he tried to take the VVVs or Jewbro for blaming Aina's death on him. He just does that with L-elf, but the point of the story is their are forced to accept each other and be "friends" in order to survive. Also, Haruto forgot about L-elf until Lieselotte said what about Michael. Yes, he's dense, and he has things he admires about L-elf but you can admire things/qualities in people that you hate or are your enemies. The two bond with each other, their relationship has ups and downs, and they show their trust for each other on the moon, when they are being honest with each other.
L-Elf probably in the end regretted saying that, he really did burn out.
As I said, I was not following the discussion, but Haruto indeed said "he shares the pain with L-elf", the pain is the curse.
With what Cain did to Hito causing it to leak runes like crazy I don't know if Haruto could have been saved even if he had fed on L-Elf more.
He is retard 9/10 times, but in that scene he sort of gave the crap back to L-elf. Like you look down on us and order us around, not anymore, from now on you'll bear the burden, pain too. I'm assuming biting hurts because L-elf grunts every time?
If was said that Haruto is like that with L-Elf because he was killed by him, he doesn't feel the need to have any walls up around him.
There were threads but they died before the bump limit.
Why not? He died after the battle, not during it (unlike Marie).
Obviously it was made for dramatic reasons, but it however feels forced, because looking back at it it was something it could be avoided. Or at least, if not avoided, it could be softened, with both L-Elf and Haruto loosing memories and not just Haruto dying.
You're arguing he wasn't a doormat? No, he wasn't. If he was a doormat, then their cooperation would have been boring. Like L-Elf complained about his performance at times. That's how relationships are built... you know? In the real world with friends, collages and everything?
He tries to punch him because he HAS trust with him. He is angry because L-Elf gets under his skin the most. He's extremely frustrated because L-Elf doesn't appear to return his good will and friendship too.
> Also, Haruto forgot about L-elf until Lieselotte said what about Michael.
It's not that he forgot, didn't you see him praising and glorying L-Elf? He puts him on a pedestal. He doesn't really reflect or thinks things fully. He falls on "L-Elf will think about it." The blame he places is because he assumes L-Elf can single-handily one shot everything and save the day. He's just being childish and thinking too much on him.
They weren't enemies. At least Haruto has been his friend since the first cour. It was L-ELF who needed to admit to be a friend, to give a closure to the arc.
He also wanted to share their hopes and dreams, the curse wasn't the only thing. What he did with L-Elf there what Saki really wanted too.
I see you keep changing goal posts but fear not, I'm going to quote the headcanon you haven't yet defended for you.
>he was someone so amazing an earthworm like himself couldn't possibly hurt
>Like you look down on us and order us around, not anymore, from now on you'll bear the burden, pain too.
What subs did you use? Fanfiction.Net AU releases.
Haruto's life force had been eaten too after all of his memories were taken, taking a few of L-Elf's memories may not have helped much at all since he only had enough energy to hold that small chat. Haruto may have been able to live a little longer but he'd probably die quickly.
>people arguing about Haruto not feeding on L-Elf because this hurts him
>Haruto himself says hurting someone - = Shoko - would have been better if this would have helped them to fight together
Geez, I wonder if Haruto was made to be seen as retard or the staff doesn't even know what they writing at the end.
Proof by all the times he never landed a hit. What's the headcanon about?
Who said he had to take a few and not ~10 years or whatever it takes to end the battle with both surviving?
It is not like Haruto is the only character allowed to get hurt because he is unpopular.
The Curse is VVV, idiot. Not the runes shit. Haruto had no fucking clue what this was. I won't even answer to the rest of the deluded post that Haruto even man up in that scene. Must be from a deluded waifufag.
How would he take that much? Jack and unjack him who knows how many times in a row? It's not like he can control the amount.
You're either drunk or have terrible reading comprehension. Or both.
>Not the runes shit. Haruto had no fucking clue what this was.
The curse is having to attack people to get Runes. L-Elf explained it something like 1 minute before Haruto made the decision, even if Haruto has memory problems, I think he can remember something like this for a day or two.
I think this is more impressive. I didn't think Danganronpa had that many fans, and the anime itself was terrible. Also, why Kyoko and not Junko or Togami?
Using L-Elf's Runes before the final battle - from episode 17 onward.
Using the help form the others - Saki, or whoever was ready to get hurt to help him.
Asking Pino if she could take Runes from others WHILE they are jacked.
It is true they have never explained exactly how it works with details, but this doesn't justify or helps the ending to feel less forced.
But that's exactly what Haruto thought, L-elf was an ass half the time to him and did look down on him. Biting L-elf was the one time Haruto is able to be somewhat aggressive back to L-elf, even though it was necessary for their plans. Haruto doesn't hate the guy, and arguable Haruto would care about every living being because that's his nature and L-elf happens to be a human being, so yeah, he "cares" about him but again not wanting L-elf to die and worshiping the ground he walks on are two different things. You can want people to survive even if they are assholes. Haruto grows sympathetic towards L-elf as time goes on, but in episodes 12 and 13 he isn't there yet.
Wasn't it based off of a game? That's probably where the numbers (voters) came from.
I haven't played/watched it, so I can't speak as to why that particular character made it.
You are now aware that Haruto and L-elf work like a divorced couple on friendly terms.
They fight over stupid shit sometimes because they never bothered to talk about it but at the same time they have an unexplainable unshakable trust in each other during tough situations because of all the things they shared.
I must be in the minority. I liked S2 even more than S1 and was fond of the characters (with the exception of Haruto).
That's the best description.
Episode 17 spelled out the ending in regards to Haruto quite clearly, it was well foreshadowed.
Danganronpa is a popular game.
Haruto doesn't know what runes were really. Not even L-Elf knew until Marie died. Did you watch the show? It was pretty vague to him. After learning that he went back to his I'LL BEAR THIS CURSE MYSELF modo.
Haruto is the curse really, he fails to protect and save even himself.
Kyoko is the main heroine and a detective. But, considering the other candidates, most of the voters had to have been fujos in which case Togami (high strung ikemen heir) or Makoto (betamax MC) would have made more sense. Or even Junko who's the most popular character overall.
I'd rather have the actual event well executed than some foreshadowing to it. Too bad it's one or the other, but usually neither, with Valvrave.
I think the take mode runes mode was jacking or raping (?) when he has those weird marks on his face. You'll notice he turns them on in episode 13 but the lack of them when he bites L-Elf on episode 24.
Well, yeah, for the whole thread I was complaining about that decision. But whatever.
> it was well foreshadowed
Questionable. A good foreshadow is something that you can't predict and watching back at it you realize it was already hinted. Like the rape with Pino's words.
The line you posted only says "He will die" explicitly. It is not good, because you know in advance the outcome of the whole anime.
There are many awards. This was the cool one.
Haruto starts sympathizing with L-elf the moment he realizes he is fighting for someone else (episode 7). When he buys time in episode 12 he isn't just buying time but saving him too He trusts L-elf 100% when he asks him to do those test in episode 13.. He wasn't being mean to L-elf when he took his neck, he was asking him for his help in sharing the burden like L-elf asked him to help him in his revolution.
And after he dies everyone switches to calling it a blessing. He really brought down everything, from the actual show to characters in it.
Nobody was stopping him to use it again.
And I don't think the point of the discussion was if he had or not the chance to feed, but more if he was willing or not to do it.
They ended up playing Haruto's character rather straight when you'd expect a twist at the end.
It's ironic how L-elf literally wore him out because he was using his body. Haruto would probably have died more slowly if he was using his own body.
He was unwilling to do it. I thought that was obvious.
If he was using his own body, Cain would have killed him.
Not that anon, but you need to look up foreshadowing. Foreshadows hint at the exact ending or result, not that something unexpected will happen. Haruto's death was sealed since he "gave up his humanity" in episode 1 and was also "killed" in episode 1 if you really want foreshadowing. It's been not a secret that Haruto will die. Him surviving would have been a bad twist.
That's just Shoko being a hypocrite. I'm half-joking.
S2 in general was played pretty straight. The only big twists were Lieselotte being an alien and Shoko turning on Haruto. And the latter was only a twist because it purposefully went against everything they built Shoko up as.
It's a Sakifag who can't stand she got shoved aside and tries to stir shit, please ignore them.
He was effective against Cain in that body, while he got his ass handed in his own body.
This exactly. We all knew he was going to die but some of us expected him not to because, well, this is Valvrave.
What you described is foreshadow, not good foreshadow.
I was not arguing about it being foreshadow, but on the fact it was well played.
Yes I know, I was just talking hypothetically if he used his body he would have died slower. L-elf literally wore him out until there was nothing left.
Because L-elf keeps his promises.
>It's a Sakifag
Here we go again!
You sure proved him wrong, Sakifag who uses Shoko avatars to start shit.
The twist was that there was no twist.
Let's say Haruto was actually able to go against Cain. It would have taken him longer to kill Cain then in L-elf's body, which means he would have lost his already leaking runes during the battle and still died.
We all saw it coming and yet looked the other way.
Actually, I'm not even talking of L-Elf in this thread. But keep going, if believing it helps your paranoid side.
I thought L-elf would die too, because that would have truly been sharing the curse, till death do as part. Surviving with a module full of retarded kids, a dead Lieselotte, and a prince that's your stalker/personal fan is probably sharing the curse for him. Death would have been bliss for L-elf.
>I'm not even talking of L-Elf in this thread
It was painfully obvious L-elf was going to live.
More like our usual generals.
He ended up spending the rest of his life dealing with the Valvraves and from the looks of it so do all of his descendents,.
100% trusts him? That's really delusional, not even Haruto is that dumb to fully trust someone like that. Also, you're making it as if Haruto is as bad as A-drei looking up to L-elf, and even A-drei mistrusted L-elf after the eye incident. Neither really fully trusts the other until the moon fight.
>discussions on Haruto and Saki
More like VVV general or you are not reading the thread.
This. It was obvious the M77 kids can't survive without him so if they were supposed to have an empire in the far future, L-elf needs to live to make it happen.
There were some that were really sure he was going to die or that Haruto would permanently take over his body (they were probably disappointed when he woke up).
Maybe since Lieselotte said he was young and saved him but L-elf could have just as well still died with Haruto.
>or that Haruto would permanently take over his body
I hated that theory, but I still would have preferred over the forced homodachi scene.
More like he was the most popular character and they didn't want to piss the fans off.
It is not like the way they built the Empire was that relevant in the anime.
I wasn't talking about L-elf, did you even follow the quote or read the post? And I didn't even know you were the same guy either. In fact, I had those horrible threads hidden in the back of my memory, the only thing I remembered was the obnoxious Sakifag who uses Shoko avatars. It took me a while to realize what the hell you were talking about. Thanks for pointing it out that the Sakifag who made the threads insufferable back then was always the same. Do take care of your paranoia though.
Not this again. The module can survive with or without L-elf provided the students learned their lessons and are willing to learn from their mistakes and think. Satomi has the potential to be a good leader, especially with Takahi by his side.
I would have preferred if Haruto just lost all of his memories and was given a second chance, there was a precedent with Marie.
Not you again. A little bit of suffering doesn't prepare them to make an Empire with the actual functioning government.
>afraid of pissing the fans off
I don't know, they're so good at it that I think he lived just to piss them off. I think they'll prefer if L-elf died with Haruto.
Oh, come on, it would have awesome to have Haruto in L-Elf's body, obviously without memories and Shoko trying to deal with him.
>implying the building of the Empire was relevant
How delusional are you?
Don't know about that, with the Magius hunts there were probably quite a few groups that went after the module trying to exterminate them too. Dorssia and the Royalists were working with them sure but they can't help out with everything and the module only had two Valvraves left.
I really doubt they cared about his popularity or the characters popularity in general. If that were the case, they wouldn't have shit on Shoko the way they did despite being the 3rd most popular character.
Abandon thread, it's this faggot again.
Well, they only pissed the waifufags off, not the fujoshi who like L-Elf and A-Drei. And guess what characters are on the merchandising for fujoshi.
Like when they killed off a popular character like Lelouch?
It wouldn't be the first time Sunrise/Okouchi killed off the most popular character.
Except Lelouch died like a hero, in a fascinating way, for a great plan and everything he made was planned.
L-Elf was just fighting in a mecha.
Fujoshis wouldn't care if you kill off a character as long as the chemistry is there. In fact, they'll revere in it since they get off on tragic love story like Kawoshin.
It's called they have other allies too that can help. Dorssian Royalists. It's really delusional that you think L-elf makes or breaks their survival. Others were able to take charge when L-elf was moping. Inuzuka, Thundah, Satomi, Haruto, and Saki knew what to do and were fighting without L-elf telling them shit. Like you ignore that others in the show have the potential to grow and mature. What's the point of them experiencing shit in the show again? Might have just made the show the L-elf backstory if everyone else is so stupid and irrelevant and can't possibly ever grow up and become competent.
>L-Elf was just fighting in a mecha.
Not even that since he's not a GLORIOUS NIPPON student, so he wasn't able to pilot a good mech. We also didn't get to see the Empire's formation, which would have been pretty great.
But the fujoshi aren't most of their fans and they certainly weren't pleased with how things ended. Even if A-drei and L-elf survived they were sort of cast to the side in the rushed epilogue, it would have more impact if they died like Haruto did. Did you see the nico ratings or futaba and 2ch reaction too? They all hated it and L-elf was their favorite character.
Also about the merch, the BD with A-drei on the cover was the one that sold less. Your fujoshi theory thing is getting a bit overrated.
Yeah, but this anime was funded by Aniplex.
Killing L-Elf in that battle would have been lame as Haruto's death. It wasn't that great as last battle compared with the ones at the Karlstein. I think everybody would have agreed on a huge "So, nothing?".
The Royalists can help some but keep in mind Dorssia was in the beginning of a civil war and then after reclaiming power they had a lot of cleaning up to do. Helping the module out wouldn't be their main priority other than maybe supplies, they certainly weren't going to help them build an Empire.
>the BD with A-drei on the cover was the one that sold less.
Not that guy, but that's not how sales work. A certain character being on the cover won't impact sales dramatically.
This is anime you dumb shit. Understanding and learning from your mistakes is enough to make you overcome your flaws and suddenly become incredibly competent. See how fast Satomi went from being a nervous wreck whenever something didn't go according to plan to being the only one keeping his cool and thinking reasonably in episode 21.
Even Shoko becoming a great leader wouldn't be surprising after all the shit that happened.
>royalists will run the country for them
>calls other people delusional
1/10 made me read.
You obviously weren't here for the thread when that certain anon was spouting his bullshit.
>it would have more impact if they died like Haruto did
A lame death? It is not like he died like a hero or Lelouch, his death was just lame and forgettable. Thanks God A-Drei and L-Elf got something better.
The reaction is bad because the ending was bad in general, if you have your showing focused only on a single couple of characters that is what you get. But still, fujoshi are the big part of people buying and funding VVV stuff. We have merch on the Dorssian boys, and almost nothing on the girls.
Tell that to the other guy because he thinks it does.
>I think everybody would have agreed on a huge "So, nothing?"
Yeah, no. Speak for yourself.
While true one thing this show did do right was show that experience makes a world of a difference, the kids could become competent with time but months isn't nearly long enough. Until then they do need somebody to guide them.
Give it up, that faggot won't change his mind.
You're replying to the same guy.
You have terrible reading comprehension. I'm replying to this one >>100026098 where you implied that fujoshis will get angry if you kill off one of their pairings.
Stop misquoting. I didn't say they would run the country, they would be allies. So does the U.S. run Canada because they are allies?
I liked his death and I'm sure I wasn't the only one, so yeah, I'd prefer if L-elf got "a lame death" like that. Much better than what H-neun had.
Did fujoshi liked just L-Elf or Haruto x L-Elf?
I bet on the first.
>Much better than what H-neun had.
Fans liked L-elf, while fujoshi went with any guy/guy pairings.
Fangirls like L-elf. Fujoshis like Haruto x L-elf (or any male x male pairing).
Fangirls =! Fujos. Get your facts straight.
What does being allies help them with managing a country? You're saying the US became the US because Canada was cheering for it from the other side of the border?
It's anime anon, you seriously are trying to act like things are real world logic here. You have to go with that is shown to you in the show, not what you think makes sense. Also, the empire is never really explained, it could be an entire alliance of all the earth nations together. You're too focused that it's M77 alone building the empire. Akira just says it became year 0 of the empire without elaborating on what it is or who is in charge. You're speculating that it must be just because L-elf helps them because L-elf and no other reason.
>Fujoshis like Haruto x L-elf
So much love for this couple. L-Elf x A-Drei was way more popular (and got a better chemistry and description in the anime too).
Fujos are fans who like homosexual relationships between men. Since most people watching this like L-elf and not everyone ships that pairing you don't need to be a genius to figure out which one has more followers.
However there are more Haruto x L-elf fans than Shoko fans. Probably.
The prince looks like L-Elf too, it's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.
Allies help each other in times of war, so if someone were to attack M77 they would have allies to help out as well. See NATO and EU. It's not a cheerleading squad. Allies are also trading partners, to get supplies and resources for example. Satomi had the right resource idea with the 7Rs.
Look, I've already explained what I think about this to you in another thread so I'm not going to waste my keyboard here. You're going to be wrong no matter how many times you post this.
I never said they were the most popular bl pairing. That anon used HaruEru as comparison for fangirls = fujos misconception so I just used it.
>L-elf x A-drei
I disagree but to each his own.
So you're skipping the whole dealing with internal struggle part? You really don't know how the real world works, do you?
A kid 200 years later that people also like to argue looks like Haruto who is dead, yeah, says nothing concretely. Child could have happened using so many permutations of generations it's ridiculous. The empire in year 0 is probably not the same as the one in year 100. It gets bigger as the time goes, everyone matures, etc. It's not clarified what the empire is. People are really hung up on the timeskip stuff, it was like 5 minutes of the show. The themes of the show were growth, transparency and friendship. It did achieve that by the end.
>t-this is anime! logic doesn't apply!
>they would have allies to help out as well.
A recent example I could use is the problems with Syria. Great Britain’s parliament had already given the no to their support or involvement with Syria. France showed support for the U.S, but decided to wait until the UN report. They have diplomatic relations, but these three despite the fact that they are major powers didn't do much during the chemical attacks. So despite that, they don't exactly have any obligations to help them in any way, shape or form.
>The themes of the show were growth, transparency and friendship. It did achieve that by the end.
Funny how they managed to fuck everything up. It was not like the anime had a deep message that was difficult to convey.
I used to like L-elf x A-drei a lot at first but gradually started preferring L-elf x Haruto. I'm glad I'm in synch with pixiv's tastes for once.
More than you I'm sure but this isn't my personal blog to tell you about my life experiences and how war changes people and forces them to grow up and become self sustaining even when they are children.
Pixiv still prefers A-drei/L-elf.
For other reasons. Nobody gives a shit about Syria because Syria isn't an ally. If Russia was attacking France you bet NATO would be defending them. Actions in Syria are humanitarian based which is great and all but the USA, Britain, and France are suffering economically and conserving resources. War costs money and nobody by any treaty is obligated to help Syria.
Spoken like a true fan of chinese cartoons who's likely the sole survivor of his town.
They did convey them but rather poorly. The concept and ideas were there but it failed in its execution.
>if Russia was attacking France you bet NATO would be defending them
Yeah, especially if the MC is supposed to convey that message, they conveyed it with people like Satomi, Akira, A-Drei and Saki, but given how they were ignored for the last 2/3 of the season I would say they failed really hard. (And I doubt Haruto was supposed to be some kind of anti-hero that goes against the message of the anime).
I put that in spoilers because it's not related to anime.
By the logic in your other post, the Royalists would be obligated to help M77 because their allies.
Your logic in this post implies something else. Also, remember that at the end there was civil war outbreaks all over Dorssia, so they were also going to be facing economic problems and they would also have to be preserving their resources. They're fighting wars that cost money and are under no obligation to help M77 because they don't have a treaty either.
I want to fuck Shoko.
Haruto please go.
By treaty, yes. Same if say N. Korea attacked Japan. The SDF aren't enough, U.S. via treaty helps them militarily.
>so they were also going to be facing economic problems and they would also have to be preserving their resources
>same anime where a new nation was able to get enough money from a live video and Saki's commercials.
Valvrave has never been focused on real politics.
I was talking about Dorssia facing economic problems from the outbreak of civils wars, but okay.
They were Saki's singles, not just commercials.
I know of what you were talking, I was just pointing out real politics doesn't apply to Valvrave world and thinking about real world and applying its rules to Valvrave is pointless because the anime was never intended to be watched in that way (we have space vampire conspiracy and a auto-declared new nation, I thought that was enough).
The concept of treaties isn't hard, really. It's what a treaty is, pledge of military aid or economic partnerships. By your logic though, Dorssia is busy but A-drei and Kriem still attend the wedding and have time for that. And L-elf couldn't do anything either if what you say about treaties being irrelevant is true. He can't save the entire world with a screw, he isn't magic and has had his own failures. The concept was already planted in the show when L-elf told the students about contacting ARUS and getting their support. They were already doing that for many episodes trying to get ARUS supporting them. ARUS is an economic alliance while Dorssia was a military one.
>He can't save the entire world with a screw
Are you doubting L-elf?
They actually did a fairly okay job with the realities of running a country, the kids had no clue what it took and ended up having to have ARUS do everything for them once they got to the moon.
By your logic saying that L-elf wouldn't lead the empire and the students would in his stead doesn't make sense either because he was always the one that paved the way for them and they couldn't do anything without his plans. Can I say checkmate or will you still continue with this pointless discussion?
He did throw the entire world into chaos with a knife and a list of mostly random people that he had circulated.
That still doesn't explain how they would be able to structure a country without his help which is what that other guy keeps talking about.
He was not an anti-hero for sure, it seems like not only was Shoko a "hard character to write" but so was Haruto. He was the supposed hero, along with everyone who died, he defeated Cain and all but it still fell short, for me anyway.
I miss S1.
>Can I say checkmate or will you still continue with this pointless discussion?
What the hell are you saying? This >>100028126 is my first post in your stupid discussion about something that the staff gave 0 fucks to explain.
Stop assuming shit.
No need to be rude.
Well, he did not that by himself, that is kinda sad TBH.
A knife and a gun.
I really don't get what they were thinking with Haruto and Shoko, they were ridiculously negelcted. Haruto more so than Shoko since he was the MC, she at least had the part with her father in S1.
His one true friend that will never leave him.
Personally I think someone interfered with their work and had them rewrite whatever they were thinking for S2. By someone I mean Aniplex jews.
She was one of the few competent people on the entire show faggot, and she was loyal as fuck.
Gun-kun failed a few times. Knife-chan on the other hand...
L-elf alone didn't pave the way though. It took a joint effort, A-drei and X-eins, and the Royalists all combined and helped. L-elf wouldn't have succeeded without Haruto and even Inuzuka's quick thinking to save Haruto when shit hit the fan. L-elf isn't a politician either though, so him "structuring" a country sounds like a job for someone with leadership skills or a combined effort, he's good as far as military tactics go but he'd be lacking in communicating with people. Maybe I should ask what exactly you think L-elf can do differently as opposed to the students at this point. An empire isn't just military tactics.
If I wanted loyalty I'd get a dog, not a woman.
Knife-chan doesn't need to be be reloaded, he'd still kill somebody with an unloaded Gun-kun though.
Still a failure.
>L-elf isn't a politician either
Not to mention he was really not that different from Haruto or the students (aka a kid who knows nothing of history and real world). How much did it take him to realize the conspiracy? Hell, he was even planning to trust ARUS back in S1.
Only thing I ever shipped L-elf with. At least I can't complain I was a delusional shipper.
Gun-kun killed a lot of grunts. Knife-kun can't compete.
L-elf loves knife-kun more. He's less noisy.
>Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Tonight, you pukes will sleep with your rifles. You will give your rifle a girl's name because this is the only pussy you people are going to get.
L-Elf would be OK and make an OTP in Full Metal Jacket.
People like you deserve ARUS-style loyalty.
You're ignoring the months L-elf spent as a shadow to Shoko's leadership and that he was the glue to his Karlstein group, a born natural leader. I would like you to explain why exactly do you think L-elf doesn't have "leadership skills" and who you do think would be more suited for the job. This is an empire we're talking about, combined leadership is out of the equation. L-elf might not be a social butterfly but as it was shown in the Earthfall they look at him as their leader. It was a joint effort but surely you're not saying that they could have done the same thing if any other Karlstein took L-elf's place? He's the mastermind behind their success, the joint effort was also part of his calculations.
If the Empire is indeed ruled by royalty directly related to L-Elf then him being an Emperor doesn't require him a smooth politician, that can be delegated to those below. One of the main reason why he stayed to the shadows previously is because he was wanted by ARUS, he couldn't come out and try to work with them.
No, it wasn't. Haruto is a shit, filler character. L-Elf the best character. Haruto had to die.
>L-elf might not be a social butterfly but as it was shown in the Earthfall they look at him as their leader.
Not him, but they look at L-Elf as a tactician, people like Akira still think Shoko is a leader.
Looking to him for answers on what they should do is looking to him for leadership.
>they could have done the same thing if any other Karlstein took L-elf's place?
Only if A-Drei was in charge. And I bet the Earth mission would have gone way better if they had him instead of L-Elf.
They don't give a shit about the kids. They only mentioned L-Elf helped them. HINT HINT.
Both gun-kun and knife-chan did their fair share of work.
No, it is looking at him and expecting he does his job: think of a plan.
Not everyone was a soldier in the Module and not everyone was willing to take orders from him, in fact he worked well with people like Saki, Yamada and Inuzuka, who were doing the soldiers and acting like soldiers. People like Haruto who still wanted to be jjust students had one of two issues with his methods.
Not really. They looked at L-elf for guidance not only to scheme their plans. A tactician isn't someone you search for when you're in trouble.
>people like Akira still think Shoko is a leader
The only ones I see looking at Shoko as a leader after episode 21 are some of the students in her ship.
Haruto was always supposed to die. L-Elf was supposed to live and hook up with Shoko according to the producer. The real original main triangle was Haruto x Shoko x L-Elf with L-Elf winning it.
A lot was changed, partly because Shoko was a frustrating character to write.
I have to wonder if things were a bit rocky with that alliance once they learned that it was L-Elf working with the module (this wasn't widely known), he had killed many Royalists over the years.
>the BD with A-drei on the cover was the one that sold less.
It had shit episodes like the rape one. Cover doesn't sell the content.
And why do you think that? Because he wouldn't shoot Marie or because he would debrief Satomi about the button?
>They looked at L-elf for guidance not only to scheme their plans
They needed him.
That sounds much better than the trash we got.
Fans liked L-Elf. ANY pairing with L-Elf is popular. 90% of the doujins are about him with Haruto, A-drei, Cain, H-neun, Lieselotte, Q-vier, and fluff gag general situations.
>according to the producer
Bullshit until I see a scan.
Wow, just wow.
You sure take small rumors from 2ch and distort them quite well.
>L-Elf winning it.
Like you said, it was originally supposed to be a Haruto/Shoko/L-elf triangle, but things changed. We don't really know if Haruto was supposed to die or not. We don't know if Lieselotte was going to still be a part of that or not either.
>using that manga to validate anything
Not to mention it's not even the same timeline.
While they were on Earth he was most certainly their leader.
Exactly. He was the only one that could guide them.
>non-canon shit manga
Of course. I should have mentioned I wasn't arguing, I just wanted to interject with a gif that shows they look to him as their leader.
Is this what L-elf x Shoko shippers go with now to validate their ship?
That's before episode 21.
Because A-Drei showed to have skills of a leader, not just of a soldier.
Kibukawa still called her the leader even after the fact. Thunder agreed with him and no one said otherwise. There's no reason to think anything changed.
Why do I get the feeling the guy who keeps saying they don't need L-elf to lead the empire and that Shoko is the real leader is the same guy who didn't want L-elf in the Saki manga.
And you remember who called the shots of who was getting detained and who wasn't? Certainly wasn't Shoko.
I can't even stop laughing. Did you made this bullshit by yourself or are you going to post a source? Because you just sound like a delusional shipper who distorts rumor from 2ch.
>placing me with them
W-Why? I was saying that that wasn't the case ;_;
I hate that ship, I'm saying this "Haruto would have lived" discussion was dead on water since the beginning.
Because you are wrong and the guy who didn't want L-Elf in Saki manga said this >>100028719
Source: I'm that guy.
>blindly follows orders from his superiors until late in the show
>skills of a leader
Yeah, also when they left for Earth it was like he was handing the keys over to her while they were gone. If he didn't have problems with ARUS I wonder how different he would have handled things with regards to leadership.
So how does it feel that A-drei's gotten such focus on her manga? Does this also anger you?
Yes, that is called doing your job. Give him the job of a leader and he would have done it well.
Kibukawa said she did the right thing as a leader, he didn't say he still considered her one, neither did Thunder. Seeing how they went along with what Haruto wanted after it really shows who they want to follow.
Why are you crying? He was clearly complimenting your tastes, though it seems he was mistaken.
Oh geez. First of all, you are confusing an empire with a dictatorship. An empire is basically an often times multi-ethnic, multi-state conglomerate that has one known leader overall but has several sub leaders to govern the individualized regions. Without sub-leaders, it becomes too big and too unmanageable. Let's take the Roman Empire for example. It was broken into parts that were absorbed/united from smaller pieces. The reason it was a successful empire for so many years was because it allowed independent regions to govern themselves and still retain their traditions while pertaining to the greater whole empire. In fact, the empire adopted for example the Greek gods, only renamed them, and a lot from the Greeks. An empire is built upon trust between the parts, it falls apart when there is distrust. A dictatorship is ruled with an iron fist, historically dictatorships are bad and eventually overthrown. A monarchy's success depends greatly on the quality of the king. Just because the king is smart, his child might be more corrupt, stupid, and even retarded (see Carlos IV of Spain and how well that worked out) and a revolution can happen. L-elf has skills as a military tactician but he also learned a lot from Cain and made mistakes. A-drei also knew enough to figure out his gimmicks and almost thwarted his plans had it not been for quick thinking on Saki's part (yes, she's such a dumb kid yet she was able to come up with a solution on her own). L-elf was the glue at Karlstein because he did the dirty work, not necessarily because he's really charismatic. Him and A-drei had disagreements many times (see scene with guns pointed at each other sans needing to go into the manga). Successful empires, that last, are built on cooperation just as much as military prowess. L-elf wanted to forge an alliance with ARUS at first, he still leaked Magius names so that ARUS and others would hunt them down. L-elf would make a great dictator.
At all, it was a good chapter. At least they didn't use him and his appearance before the episode aired, but I bet you didn't get at all what I said back then.
I hate to break it for you but a leader isn't the guy who's following orders.
They didn't even ask her opinion on what they were doing and just rolled with it, all of those on Kibukawa's shuttle were all on board and had been briefed. Shoko's shuttle? Left in the dark.
Post a translation, dude. That is not what is called a source.
The author also tweeted about A-drei's manga. Does this anger you since both Dorssian boys got a tweet saying they would be in the chapter.
>. L-elf has skills as a military tactician but he also learned a lot from Cain and made mistakes.
Only when Cain was involved. Even A-drei's presence in Karlstein was because of Cain sending them there which wasn't supposed to happen.
Guess what? The only man who was an obstacle is DEAD.
*A-drei's appearance in the manga
Except Dengeki Daioh twitted about L-Elf before episode 13 aired. I don't think you got my point at all.
The students asked Haruto for a plan first. Haruto just deferred it to L-elf. Haruto was the leader, he had more likability to them than L-elf.
Too long, will not read. Just let me tell you that the future prince is the son of the emperor so yeah, it's one guy ruling it all.
The original triangle was with those three because Saki was an ascended extra.
Shoko was left in the dark long before any of this happened and even during it made no effort to help her understand what the fuck was happening. It's clear they never cared about her at all and were playing her the same way ARUS did.
After that though they stopped asking Haruto and asked L-Elf directly if he had a plan.
Assuming implications here but I think that guy ships A-drei x Saki so I bet he loved it. He hates L-elf though.
The students were waiting for L-Elf to give them orders in episode 14. They asked Haruto in episode 15 because L-Elf wasn't there.
Try learning moon instead of being in illiterate ape.
Yeah, one time.
Let me guess what that page says, "Shoko isn't the naive little girl L-elf met anymore". Right?
How does that prove anything? You think everyone in a position of power has one big orgy to create the heir?
IIRC, Ikeya says that originally it was Haru/Shoko?Elf triangle; if given the chance he would like to work on more VVV, and Shoko was a difficult character to write.
Don't ask me. I can't read runes.
Nope, I don't ship seriously them. And the chapter pretty much shipped A-Drei x L-Elf and Saki x Haruto.
Your implications were only half good.
Thanks for being lazy. Let me tell you I'm truly convinced by your point and will all of a sudden accept it because your opinion is gold and somehow better than mine.
Saki's projecting doesn't mean it shipped them. Stopped being such a shipperfag.
There are many types of leaders. Those who lead through charisma like Shoko and those who lead through their brains and brilliance in out-chess moves others like L-Elf.
Both are leaders. Haruto too because he's the HERO. You're not going to ask Shoko how to make a country functional. You go to her to... supposedly calm people but she dropped the ball badly. L-Elf is the guy with the plan who knows what to do and when. The Royalists moved because of this. He was the one who gave them the initiative to act, L-Elf read better the possible reactions of ARUS and Dorssia than the Magius, that's why he won.
Both L-Elf and the Council were having their inner war. The Council lost.
I have to agree with you on that. I think they looked at Haruto at first but because Haruto was dependent on L-elf and trusted him, they started looking at L-elf instead. Kibukawa still followed Haruto when L-elf run away so I have to admit you're right though, Haruto is more of a leader figure to them than L-elf.
Not them but it's a big block of text, line breaks are your friend.
So you do ship them.
Only for fun and because the fanart are cute, but I am indifferent if they hooked up or not in the anime. So, no, I don't ship them.
Sorry. I think someone translated a few bits. Should be in the archive.
>Kibukawa still followed Haruto when L-elf run away so I have to admit you're right though, Haruto is more of a leader figure to them than L-elf.
Is that why Satomi said to everyone calm down and wait until L-Elf contacts them in episode 19? They were giving orders to HARUTO too.
I wonder if this guy watched Game of Thrones. Geoffrey is a great king because he slits everyone's throat in public. He will clearly preserve the kingdom and his heirs are guaranteed to win for decades.
Actually I did read it, I only wanted to hurt your feelings. The huge block of text doesn't really help your point though, so instead of saying you fed me a bunch of shit and proved nothing, I chose to let you think I'm a lazy piece of shit instead.
This, holy shit.
The original plan was for L-Elf to be the brains and Shoko to be the face. But then L-Elf went out of commission and Shoko was forced to take his place which was never going to be possible.
No translation, only rumors from 2ch and a forum (aka nothing sure).
Is this the scene L-Elf wasn't even around? Oh wait... it is. They asked Haruto because L-Elf's not even there with them.
Kibukawa was following L-Elf's plan. Not Haruto's plan.
Should be this thread, right? >>99772853
Shipping for fun is still shipping.
L-Elf was using Haruto for marketing too. Remember when that guy asked him about the plan as leader and Haruto had no idea what to do?
But the things built on lies are meant to crumble in the end. That's why it's L-Elf slitting the throat of Amadeus on TV and sending the royalists the information, and not Shoko or Haruto.
It isn0t if I don't care of the outcome.
Shipperfag pls go
That's because the original plan was L-elf's, it was part of the plan giving Satomi instructions. I meant when L-elf isn't around or when they're talking about their interests, Haruto is the real leader. Think of episode 23 when Haruto said he wanted a place where both humans and kamitsuki could live, they listened to him. He said he trusted in L-elf and that in turn makes them trust in both of them.
>Remember when that guy asked him about the plan as leader and Haruto had no idea what to do?
And what did Haruto do after that? Go to L-Elf. If that reporter survived he probably understood later who was the true revolutionary.
Threa's about to 404 anyways. Geez.
See this, what do?