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I hate to come into this discussion so late, but I just finished TTGL. I have to say I enjoyed it thoroughly. I'm usually not a big fan of animes injected with toxic levels of GENKI, but I'll make an exception here and there, and this one was worth it. I actually started Code Geass and stopped watching it in favor of this. Mainly because Code Geass requires a lot of thought and analysis and it being midterms and all, I needed something I could just sit back and enjoy.


Anyways, it was a great show. I guess I'll rinse it down with some real-robot goodness and finish Code Geass.
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>Code Geass requires a lot of thought and analysis and it being midterms and all
OH U.
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Code Geass is deep.
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I know what you're doing, and I don't like it. I don't like one bit of it.
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>GENKI
>Code Geass requires a lot of thought and analysis

0/10
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>>10001126

Forgot something.
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I couldn't watch another second after episodes 4,5, and 6 failed so hard.
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deep like deep pan pizza deep butts
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but seriously, i understand OP. gl is a simple shounen that is easy to enjoy. the plot and strategy and dialogue in code geass is far above an average super robot type show.
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>>10001098
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>>10001152

HAHAHAHAHA OH WOW
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>>10001119


In the end I felt the ending was a bit too depressing though. Someone said earlier in this thread, "the obvious happy happy joy joy route". I can probably count the number of happy endings I've seen in all the dozens of anime shows I've watched on my fingers and still have one or two to spare. Seriously, the bittersweet ending is way overdone and I'm getting pretty jaded with having to take endings with a BIG grain of salt.
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>>10001165
you are just a fanboy. just because geass was not over the top does not make it not "epic" or complicated plot wise.
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>>10001184

Even from the very first episode, the attributed core theme is unconcealed to the eyes; enclosed tightly into the premise behind Kamina's constant claims of a "burning youth" breaking through a "ceiling" towards an idealized heaven of freedom. The physical "ceiling" keeping Jeeha village in the underground is just allegoric of a limitation decided by "those that came before"; a literary reiteration that outlines the complete creative purpose. Something that could be called a "youth chained by the foolishness of their ancestors" if you wanted to be dramatic.
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>>10001130
4-6 are the worst episodes in the series and they only get better from there. I'm not a big GLfag so I don't really care if you still never see the rest of it, but I thought you might want to know.
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>>10001152

I'll go on record and declare Gurren-Lagann as anything but mindless, completely incomparable to GaoGaiGar or the like. The show is that of a strong opinion, one carried by an unflinching speech. The delivery of a multi-layered meaningful assertion is the ultimate objective, a carefully calculated achievement towards an "altered state of mind".
The narrative strips a media swallowed down by purposeless plot convulsion from unnecessary fluff and successfully intertwines in a concrete shape of unyielding palpability what is commonly recognized as separate: argument, theme and symbolism take a single. From the depths of nostalgia the forgotten but powerful voice of honest beliefs surfaces within a technique of representation built over naked, yet fundamental, ideas. In more than one way this essential notion behind the storytelling is deliberately old-fashioned yet actively forward-looking.

Stagnation, mindless progress and the very nature of human "evolution"; with a manifest yet subtle use of imagery such an abstraction becomes core for the script. They're amazingly broad, basically limitless, yet due to their handling tangible enough to be substantial. Textually knitted into the actual writing without even resorting to term dropping; eloquently described through a seamless combination of visuals, dialogs and raw feelings.
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>>10001098
I know what you mean. GL is the kind of fun super-robot show you can just sit back, relax and enjoy without having to think about it.

I much prefer gurren Lagann's fun approach over the intelectual themes that Code Geass tackles.
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>>10001182

Thanks, I'll give it one more chance once I'm done with Kaiji
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>>10001178

Code Geass is badly written, contriver bullshit.
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>>10001184
>>10001192
i hope this is pasta

anyway GL is no different from things like getter robo or gaogaigar
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>>10001197

CODE GEASS TACKLES NO INTELLECTUAL THEMES. IT'S PURE EXPLOITATION. IT'S NOT SMART OR CLEVER, JUST IDOTIC.
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Code Geass > TTGL
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>>10001209

It is. Gurren-Lagann's dialogs are, for one, pretty cleverly constructed.
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code geass has a well written, multi-layered plot. the presentation is unique to the anime medium, which is why the average /a/ user would rather stick to a more traditional series like gl.
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>Code Geass requires a lot of thought and analysis
OK, I lawled.
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From the same episode, we are presented with the "burden of responsibility". The Elder states it clearly: "I'm not taking care of you orphans because I want to! It's because I'm the elder and it's my task to ensure the future of this village."

It's simple, yet very eloquent. A piece of brilliant characterization.
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ADV should just change TTGL's name to "My First Anime".
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>>10001199
Well, you could watch it while you wait for TRIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!
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I just rewatched Outlaw Star and I was amazed at the similarities between it and Gurren Lagann. Its safe to say that Gurren Lagann is an Outlaw-clone.
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>>10001219
Your such a faggot. Look at you, getting butthurt over someone else's tastes. This isn't even a CG thread so it shouldn't have been discussed in the fist place.
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What's with the insanity over an average show like Code Geass?
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>>10001219
Why are you getting mad fanboy? I said I PREFERRED your show.
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>>10001265
>What's with the insanity over an average show like Gurren-Lagann?
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Code Geass AND GL. That's just asking for trouble.
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Many talks have been had in this board about the idea of "progress" and "generations" across Gurren-Lagann's narrative, but I believe some of you are over-looking another key concept integral to the storytelling: "individuality".

Gurren-Lagann declares individuality as:
-Something necessary for progress
-Something you achieve rather than being born with.
-A single individual may begin a "social revolution" in order to destroy standardization.
-It's reciprocal. You gain individuality by your interactions with others.
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Gurren Lagann is a sunday morning kids robot show. The awards and over-analysis of it is just a troll on a massive scale. Anyone who spouts off all these complex themes that GL supposedly addresses has been trolled HARD.
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>>10001294
Yes, simplify the plot to make it appear stupid. This just proves my suspicion that /a/ residents are simple minded.
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>>10001231

LOL, YOU'LL KILL ALL JAPANESE.
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>>10001302

“What is a person?
Eh?... Well, a person is something like us, that looks like this, and has a face...
There are others, too?
Huh? Ah, yes, there are...
Really? Are they all like you? Do they have a face like yours?
We're not the same. If we had the same face, it would be disturbing.”

It's impressive how much a simplistic dialog says about the global conflict AND the episode in question.
-Faces are a clear symbol of individuality in Gurren-Lagann. Hence the heavily characterized faced machines and the vilification of the mugan.
-By proxy, declares lack of individuality and "fitting in" as something disturbing.
-Hence portrays Simon's inner conflict after Kamina's demise. Him wanting to showcase a face that wasn't his.
-Similarly, it states the route of Nia's character development. Despite her looks, she was always one of millions: a doll for Lord Genome, a messenger for the Anti-Spiral. It's also her purpose for the narrative to portray another route to how reciprocal "individualization" is, since both she and Simon become individuals only through the help of each other.
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>>10001294
That was the worst plothole in the show and everything else before and after that was just fine. Unless you hate cliffhanger endings of course.
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>>10001249

HOLY PENIS WHAT A SCOOP
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sage for retards
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sage for retards

again
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>>1000132

>-Faces are a clear symbol of individuality in Gurren-Lagann. Hence the heavily characterized faced machines and the vilification of the mugan.

Here you could find an ambiguity in the fact that Kamina “stole” his face to the enemy. But this was merely reinforced the statement of individuality being something you win rather than something you’re born with.
There is also a very interesting social statement lying in the underneath. Kamina created a revolution, he inspired a broad number of similar-minded proxies to attain their own individual faces by stealing them from "repression". Kamina's and Simon's face, Gurren-Lagann, became a symbol of hope. It's a concept as accomplished as SAC's memetics, but explained in a more down-to-earth and eloquent fashion.
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I feel like I am talking to an invisible Cirno. Mad fandom towards Gurren Lagann for literary "genius" and mad hatred towards Code Geass towards "literary failure."
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>>10001325
That wasn't a plot hole, that was a Deus Ex Machina.

The "OH SHI- HOW CONVENIENT!"
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>I'm not the same person as you.
>As a matter of fact, I'm a totally different person.
>But because we are different, I believe we can live together.
>Thank you... for this ring.
>I am very happy

Concretely, this takes the idea of "different faces" forward and reinforces the idea of a reciprocal individualization. Beyond that, this perfectly ties in with:

>Genetic diversity via sexual reproduction is the key to evolution.

...to a more blatant extent and adds to the overall dramatics of Nia, who was so proud of her self-attained individuality, becoming but a puppet for a society of "same-faced" individuals.
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>>10001339
I am the opposite of people like him.
GL was mindless drivel, while Gode Geass is a step forward in moving closer to when we can consider anime as literature.
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>>10001351

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE KILLING ME
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>>10001363

No, I'm not. All of these themes and developments are clear as water.

As for now, I'll explain how characters assert their individuality by their interactions with others through the more simplistic examples I can find:

-Kamina's security came from his need to become a man that would respect Simon.
-Simon's strength and personality came from the belief of both Kamina and Nia.
-Nia "learned" from Simon to become her own self, to be someone different from just "Genome's daughter".

As for a metafictional take on this statement, I'll resort to quoting Gainax own history:

>>assert your individuality by your interactions with others.
Has been every single aspect of Gainax since day one. Every single Gainax work owes plenty to different narratives. They've mastered their own voice through experimenting with others' voices.
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>>10001351
I think Gurren Lagann was a superb show and that Code Geass was average.

Certainly Code Geass could have been better.
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>>10001347
I think you are overanalyzing.
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>>10001359
Come back and post when you get out of middle school and realize that Caps Lock isn't for cool people anymore.
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GL is like an abstract poem - completely meaningless until you interpret it the way the author tells you to.

Code Geass is like a classic novel - Great without interpretation.
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>>10001351
I get it. You're parodying Cirno. ha ha ha
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>>10001380
Oh ho, I like this.
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>>10001380

Gurren-Lagann is clear as water. Code Geass has no theme whatsoever.
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>>10001380
QFT
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>>10001351
You fail on so many levels it's not even funny.

Putting aside the Geass fapping, animation =/= literature. It doesn't matter how intelligent or moving a TV show is. It can't be literature by definition.
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>>10001351

Code Geass had terribly developed characters. Gurren-Lagann had subtle coherent development, and excellent brilliant visual characterization.
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Might be off topic but does anyone have a favorite subber for Code Geass? Anon reccomends but every download I can find goes slower than 10kbs
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>>10001380
Except... you still have to interpret a classic novel.
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>>10001412
>Code Geass had terribly developed characters.

Examples, please.

>Gurren-Lagann had subtle coherent development

Examples, please. Both plot and character.

>and excellent brilliant visual characterization.

Animation was very good, yes. It still does not make it anything more than a glossy children's show.
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>>10001390
Of course it was. You were clearly thinking about all the complex themes as you watched it. You definitley didn't start spouting off interpretations after watching the whole thing then going to wikipedia.
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/a/ sure hates Code Geass eh?
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>>10001412
>visual characterization.
Damnit. I didn't want to post, but now I have to.
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Ok wait wait WAIT. You all say this guy is looking into Code Geass too deeply, and then this is posted about GL?

>>10001184
>>10001192
>>10001302
>>10001323
>>10001337
>>10001347
>>10001369

You all kill me. :D
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>>10001446

Why, actually yes.
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>>10001449
I am VERY TEMPTED to say this is all Cirno...

but no proof.
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>>10001431
You can if you choose to. It doesn't require the interpretation to be great.
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I never finished GL because if Simon and Yoko don't fuck than it's epic fail.

Actually, I never finished it because I lost interest however I was meaning to go back to it at some point.
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>>10001465
that looks like QUALITY to me, not "great visual characterization".
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>>10001249
>Its safe to say that Gurren Lagann is an Outlaw-clone.
Wrong. Gurren Lagann is an everything clone.

>While Oh! Edo Rocket is a deliciously overflowing stew of anime characteristics, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is a concentrated revival of vintage anime characteristics. The series contains homage to Captain Harlock; the drill arm robots of Getter Robo and Baratack; the small hero team and their combining robot fighting against annihilation theme of countless vintage robot anime; the enflamed masculinity of St. Seiya and Otoko Juku; the kinetic and hyperactive animation characteristic of golden era anime like Birth, Harmaggedon, and Cool Cool Bye; Gunbuster's emphasis on courage and determination overcoming all obstacles; and Evangelion's theory that individuality and growth are positive and natural while opposition to change and individuality leads to destruction. Gurren Lagann offers nothing new. It merely revives long simmering anime conventions and boils them into a raging inferno. Gurren Lagann appeals to veteran anime fans because it's a revival of familiar, traditional anime themes. The show appeals to newer fans because its exuberance, kineticism, and self-conscious exaggeration of anime archetypes makes it involving, entertaining, and motivational. Not to mention that they hadn't seen anything like it before or else they'd be saging like the fist of the north star
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>>10001471

You almost got it, except the main content of Gurren-Lagann is the union between past and future. Exactly the same theme Gainax used to create the show.

Actually, every single Gainax production finds it voice it quoting other works. From Evangelion to FLCL.
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OH HI, I SIMPLIFIED UR GL FOR YA
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>>10001483

Your trolling is showing.
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>>10001523
Not a troll. I don't see what is so great about >>10001465
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>>10001478
I totally disagree, but whatever. This thread has turned to shit already so I don't feel like arguing over it, haha.
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>>10001471

I would say Gurren-Lagann offers something new in it's synthesis of the classics, so to speak. It's a show that even fueled by nostalgia doesn't becomes shallowed down by nostalgia. It takes these elements and conveys them through a brilliant writing that may even use the history of animation itself as over-running motto.
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>This early prologue informs viewers from the very outset that the Gurren Lagann story will eventually take on a galactic scale and setting. The prologue sequence's obvious homage to Captain Harlock also prepares viewers to expect an anime series that relies heavily upon homage and inspiration from previous anime. In fact, after stripping away Gurren Lagann's references and inspirations from earlier anime including Getter Robo, Captain Harlock, St Seiya, Otoko Juku, Gunbuster, and Evangelion, there's really not much left.

>there's really not much left.
>really not much left.
>not much left.

Professional opinion, newbies.
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~*HOURLY GL FANBOY CIRCLEJERK*~
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Gurren Lagann is like the non-parody, unfunny cousin of Hayate the Combat Butler.
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>>10001560

Better professional opinion, by Utena's director himself:

Gurren-Lagann is a show that uses nostalgia as structure, but follows a very forward-looking narrative in the underneath. It's a statement on the medium itself, so to speak, and probably the more important robot story of the decade.
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Thank god I ignored the shit out of watching Code Geass and Gurren Lagann.

Same shit is same.
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>>10001606
Yes.

Code Geass > Gurren Lagann, fuck fucking Utena's director, his vehicle movie sucked.
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>>10001604
In all fairness, Eva is hardly about the robots.
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>>10001591
>the more important robot story of the decade

No Eva rebuild???
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I like Code Geass, and I'm wainting R2 right now

Am I doing right?
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>>10001616
But neither is GL. It's about PROGRES!!!!!!!1!!!
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>>10001560

Aishta no Joe's mangaka:

At first, I was kinda apathetic at giving this show an award. It had a heart, surely, but it felt like a quotation of the past rather than at attempt to move the medium forward. After a talk with Ikuhana, I decided to give the show another shot. Not only it is visually very interesting, the overall narrative uses anime itself as a metafictional medium of plot development. Using robots stolen from the enemy against them? Build your civilization over the structure you've just destroyed? Getting a hold of your ancestors ships yet making them fit your shape? It's all so brilliant and subtle you can't help but laugh in awe.
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>>10001620
lol
Come on, though - GL is unmistakably a giant robot show. That progress hinges on fighting the greater power with sheer determination and yelling, blah blah; that's what giant robot shows are usually about. With Eva, you could replace the giant robots with big Pokemon and its confusing mindfuck premise will stay pretty much the same.
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>>10001638
Oh ho.
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>>10001615

0/10

Code Geass has no theme and the dialogs lack substance.

Gurren-Lagann is quirky and light-hearted, yet it has an honest voice and a very interesting message to be told.
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This thread is actually interesting now. I have never seen these quotes.

I feel so out of the loop compared to some other people.
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>>10001658

0/10
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>>10001661

like what?
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>>10001658
Now that's just retarded. Sage.
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>>10001680

Have you ignored the entire thread?
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>>10001674
I'm not even badmouthing anything! ヽ(;´Д`)ノ
I really like both GL and Eva. I just want to make the point that you can call GL a "robot story" but it would be stretch to call Eva a "robot story."
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>>10001653

The Media Art Awards jury are just saying the same stuff you usually say, but they're applying it to the animation media itself. That's what they usually do. Dennou Coil for them was about technology and the hardships of true communication through the visual media.
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>>10001661
>Gurren-Lagann is quirky and light-hearted, yet it has an honest voice and a very interesting message to be told.
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Yes, you can over-analyze the shit out of ANYTHING.
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>>10001706

Except for the fact that Evangelion is basically a parody of the super robot genre.
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>>10001560
Oh, professional! So it must be absolute truth then, right?
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>>10001718

No interesting messages there, friend.

GL's ideas rival SAC's... and the narrative uses them in a more eloquent fashion.
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OP here
I'll give myself 10/10
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>>10001560

And who is that guy to be superior to Utena's director or Aishta no Joe's creator?
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>>10001693
You hide it, you fucking newfag.
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Conclusion: GL is shit. Guess what, we already knew this.
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>GL's ideas rival SAC's

>more eloquent
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>>10001774

Gurren-Lagann's narrative showcases social phenomena in a better, more involving fashion.
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THIS MUST BE WHY GL IS SO WILDLY POPULAR IN JAPAN RIGHT NOW...
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>>10001739
>GL's ideas rival SAC's
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>>10001786

They do. SAC is nothing special. It's GitS for the mainstream.

Notice how I didn't named a true complex show like Texholyze.
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Things I have learned from constant arguements on /a/ about GL

1. No one is sure what GL's theme is, I have seen at least eight different theories on what the main theme is.

2. Ghost Nia is an ass.

3. Cirno is also an ass, but can be somewhat likable.

4. If you give a shit about what /a/ thinks of this show, it will ruin your experience with GL. So don't give a shit, and enjoy GL for what it is.

If OP wants to just sit back and enjoy GL he can.
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Anonymous, let's remember what the main point of the thread was: We were making fun at OP for dropping Code Geass during midterms because it was too complicated for him.
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>>10001882
Because it's like saying Power Rangers is a timeless classic for all ages.
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What's with the people claiming over-analyzation?
From what I've seen, they were internally consistent and supported by quotes and examples. It also fits together and makes a lot of sense. So, really, people going "lulz you can overanalyze anything" confuse me. Maybe they just don't know how to analyze such things as literature, movies, or other entertainment mediums, and instantly assume that anything involving the catching of subtle points leading to a larger theme (which is essential if you know anything about writing themes into a novel/movie/animation series) to be "over-doing" it?
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>>10001815
>I have seen at least eight different theories on what the main theme is.
There's only ever one. People just state it in different ways.
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>>10001859

No thoughts my vision clear not too complicated...

o wait
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>>10001897

No it isn't. Like I said, the arguments for GL have been internally consistent, and uses quotes and examples to support it. A simple phrase like "lulz Power Rangers is a timeless classic" isn't comparable to an actual analyzation.
I also find these analyzations to be well formed, in general, taking advantage of the smaller (yet not insignificant in any way) moments to drive the point home.
Hell, even I caught some of these things as I was watching the show.
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>>10001953

Also, nobody really said that "Gurren Lagann is a timeless epic", they just said it was really well written. The only moment in this thread that someone compared something to a classic novel was Code Geass, while calling Gurren Lagann an abstract poem. Except it really doesn't seem that abstract to me, and obviously not to the other analyzers who have formed slightly different- yet all similar and consistent- conclusions upon watching the series.
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>>10001730
Rating yourself is cheating.

I'll give you 0/10 because it's the same shit of every fucking day.
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So... GL the movie. Epic fail or epic win?
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>>10001884

The different theories of what GL's main is that theme I have seen.

1. Men fighting against their fate
2. Masculinity.
3. No matter how hard you try, you can't change the inevitable
4. The union of past and future.
5. Go beyond the impossible
6. Going beyond the impossible has tragic consequences
7. Heroic Journey done in the Joseph Cambel Monomyth style.
8. Generational Conflict.

And this was just taken from one thread from a while back. I realize you and Ghost Nia are big supporters of the "union of past and future" theory, but saying other people never give another opinion seems a touch arrogant.
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>>10002046
You forgot to add "Kick reason to the curb"
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>>10002083

True.

>>10002031

Don't know I haven't seen it yet.

sage because my thoughts are not worth bumping.
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>>10002046
>7. Heroic Journey done in the Joseph Cambel Monomyth style.
Not a real theme.

>2. Masculinity.
A love story wouldn't be present in this one. It isn't supported by evidence.

>8. Generational Conflict.
>6. Going beyond the impossible has tragic consequences
>5. Go beyond the impossible
>4. The union of past and future.
>3. No matter how hard you try, you can't change the inevitable
>1. Men fighting against their fate

This is the same thing. It all ties into what it really means to progress.
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>>10002031

It'll be just like the second and third Matrix movies. Tons and tons of gorgeous eye-candy, along with an attempt to cram some philosophical stuff into 2 hours, but it gets lost beneath all the special effects and flashy explosions, so only the die-hard fans who watch it over and over will pick it apart and then try to "educate" everyone else about them, telling those who still don't understand "it's just too deep". Oh, and Kamina will die again.
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>>10002191
Not if Nakajima writes it.

But if Nakajima isn't on board, then you're pretty much right.
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MOVIE'S COMING MOVIE'S COMING MOVIE'S COMING

WHOOHOO MOTHERFUCKERS
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>>10002046
>1. Men fighting against their fate
That could be one of the minor themes, yeah.

>2. Masculinity.
Jokes, do you know them!?

>3. No matter how hard you try, you can't change the inevitable
... maybe if it were the opposite

>4. The union of past and future.
Minor theme as well.

>5. Go beyond the impossible
That's not even a theme...
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>>10002191
>It'll be just like the second and third Matrix movies

What? There was only one Matrix movie. What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>10002267
Either A) Troll B) One of the lucky few who didn't see those godawful movies
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>>10002267
I know, I dont remember them making any sequals to the matrix.
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>>10002177

You do realize that TTGL has more than one theme, right? All works of fiction do.
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>>10002323
Yes, but it all ties in to the larger picture.
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>>10002335

Alright, Il'l give you that. But it doesn't mean they aren't worth discussing on their own.
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Pre-time skip is a coming of age tale. Simon goes threw two crises of conscience, similar to Huck Finn from The Adventure of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain.

Post-time skip is about realizing limits and surpassing them. Logically this doesn't make sense, but it is fiction. Similar themes can be found in Tool's Lateralus.
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This turned into quite an interesting thread...



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