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Please discuss.
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edit: this was done in photoshop xd
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>>712125
only suckers think corporations are moral.
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>muh pol
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>>712125
Blender is for poor people and poor people are all over the spectrum
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>>712125
No.
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Software is not politics
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Since when giving money to big tranny supporting corps is right wing. You are a cuck, OP.
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>>712125
Doesn't know Blender deep lore.
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>>712201
DELET THIS
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>>712177
>Software is not politics

I know some long-nosed fellas that are quite happy to hear you say that, anon

>>712193
You fell in their trap if you think trans are their main political goals. I bet you're the kind of mouth-breathig liberal that wants more billionaire as long as they're female, too
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>>712201
Stop holocausting me
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>>712219
>I bet you're the kind of mouth-breathig liberal
Fucking hell no. No. What made you think that about me? I am not a liberal. No.
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>>712228
Well, that sucks. There's only one thing worse than being a liberal, and it's not being a liberal.
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>>712244
2spoopy4me
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>>712244
For a couple frames it kinda looks as if it's giving us the finger.
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>>712228
Because you seem to think that saying pro-trans stuff automatically makes you *not* right-wing. Kinda like a liberal saying ''Oh em gee they're so *woke*"

Being pro-trans is fashionable. Being right-wing isn't. A company saying pro-trans stuff isn't necessarily left-wing.

I'm sorry for calling you a liberal. You're still a mouth-breather tho
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>>712201
>>712244
I don't get this. Why is their mascot a monkey?
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>>712125
>blender and gimp
>economic authoritarian
how does that work
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>>712266
Suicide is very fashionable for trannies you should try that too. You and every degenerate that support this illness.
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>>712273
>can't even read a basic chart
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>>712267
This is what happens when you combine all the primitives
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>>712277
I never alluded to supporting any illness in my post. Read it again, retard
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>>712289
based
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>>712294
Read it again. I just said kill yourself.
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>>712299
Too bad I'm not real and neither are you
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>>712299
>>712300
same fag but checked
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>>712305
>what is photoshop

nice try
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>>712309
>1441
>people still use Photoshop instead of inspect element
May Allah break bones of these disease ridden rodents.
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>>712267
The monkey is a "primitive" in blender, which can be manipulated, fractured, deleted and so on.
To blender the monkey is on the same level as cubes, cylinders and planes, showcasing their true ideology.
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how can you be into /3/ and be right-wing at the same time? same question with listening to mucore and being right-wing. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
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>>712560
R u retarded
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>>712125
This chart was made by someone who has no idea how any of the software listed works.
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You're comparing 3D manipulation programs to political alignments, Its not even funny. Stop it, get some help.
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>>712560
not seeing your line of reasoning
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>>712560
Right wingers aren't logical.
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>>712560
As /3/ has a bunch of screeching retards it's easy to assume /3/ is left-wing.
But:
Some people are really interested in 3D and VFX. They try to improve themselves, grow their skills and become self reliant instead of begging for government handouts.
Additionally 4chan has many white males. Fhe left wing hates white males and want to punish them for being born the wrong way. As many people dislike being turned into a second class citizen, these white men have no other option than supporting the right wing candidates, to protect themselves against the mob rule and left-wing hatred.
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>>712920
If you were correct, life would be so much easier. We would have world peace by now, for sure. Man I'd love if the case for all this right-wing hatred came from "guys wanting to be left-wing but actually they think the left hates them so they turn right-wing". What you said right there would mean that people are naturally left-wing, which would be so fucking cool. Unfortunately, we live in the real world. And there's a whole bunch of poeple in a position of power wanting this divide to keep happening, so what do they do? they lie, they tell white dudes that the left hates them with no ground in reality whatsoever, even going as far as using hyperboles, jokes and exaggeration as "evidence" of this so-called hatred. Can you imagine that? Taking jokes and hyperboles, believing it and getting offended over it? It's fucked up.

Also, growing your skills and becoming self reliant in society is exactly - almost word for word - what Marx wrote about.
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>>712560
elaborate, American
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>>712935
>he has an 1-dimensional political world view
MWAHAHAAAAHAAHAHAH
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And do you think that the creators of TF SFMs are some commietards?

Have a touching story of Korwin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9bBEbAO8Ik
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>>712935
>And there's a whole bunch of poeple in a position of power wanting this divide to keep happening
Next to all SJW or identity groups are on the left and are actively catered to.
The right has it's own identity politics groups (alt-right, white nationalism), but most conservatives are trying to get rid off them.

The anti-white, anti-male hatred is not something that is renounced by the left, in fact it is embraced and pushed by media, academia and in schools.

History is being rewritten to hate on white people, while genocides and atrocities of e.g. native americans, muslims and africans are completely ignored. Kids believe whites were responsible for slavery (ignoring all instances of black or arab slavery), they believe only whites do genocide, only white do imperialism, only christians conducted "crusades" (because Muslim invasions aren't covered in school).

It's pure and simple propaganda, which is pushed by left-wing ideologues with the help of dogmatic, ideological professors.

As we speak there are a bunch of pushes from the left, which call for more taxes, while giving more handouts to all "oppressed communities", for open borders, for state healthcare for all (including illegals).
This will wreck to economy and I'm sure progressives actually want it, because they hate capitalism and want to see it fail, so they can rebuild their stalinist state to redistribute resources from the evil whiteys to all those innocent, saintly non-whites.
Additionally expect more censorship and thought-policing. What we see now is just a prelude to the state-enforced, AI-driven destruction of alternative viewpoints and non-left narratives.
Fucking "Libertarianism", has been declared as "fascism" countless times by the left, just because it opposes an all-involved state.

Whoever still supports the left is just stupid, a parasite, hoping for ill-gotten free stuff or some anti-white, anti-male haters.
Don't be evil, fight the left.
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>>712201
wtf i hate Blender now
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>>712148
As voters have discovered this year, you can't run as a Republican without advocating the construction of a huge, beautiful, crystal-clear-seeming Christmas tree or more important, you can't become a viable presidential candidate without telling voters how you would preserve the sanctity of the Obama administration's existence. And according to Limbaugh, it doesn't get any dumber than that
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>>712993
>The anti-white, anti-male hatred is not something that is renounced
Wrong. The very rare case of actually anti-[race] is actually renounced by every leftist circle.

>in fact it is embraced and pushed by media, academia and in schools.
Wrong. Never happened. I'd love if you came up with something that proves this point.

>History is being rewritten to hate on white people
historians are more open and clear about everything any group of people have done in the past. This includes everything white people, black people and every other ethnicity did. Look up any curriculum. Do it.

>Kids believe whites were responsible for slavery
Correct but it's also taught in school that the very rulers of africans countries did sell their own people. If you haven't seen this in school, you had a shitty education (probably american).

>they believe only whites do [bad thing]
You know you're wrong, I don't know why you keep pushing this point.

>more taxes, while giving more handouts to all "oppressed communities", for open borders, for state healthcare for all.
yes. But no open borders, and no medicare for illegals (asylum seekers, yes obviously)

>This will wreck to economy
No. You can search it up. I mean, just fucking google for once in your life. You're wrong.

>rebuild their stalinist state
apart from tankies (which are EXTREMELY renounced by almost 100% of leftists circles), stalinism, leninism, any kind of soviet-era autocracy is not seen with good eyes. You should know that if you're so "informed" about the left.

>AI-driven
No. Most leftist circles dislike AI (and anything Musk came up with because he's a hack with no realistic ideas).

>Fucking "Libertarianism", has been declared as "fascism" countless times
I can see that. But I'm sure you know this kind of subject is very discussed even in the left. Sometimes fascism shows itself in very nuanced manners.

>hoping for ill-gotten free stuff
the left doesn't want free stuff. Quite the contrary. We work for it.
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>>712201
wtf i love blender now
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>>713077
>no, wrong, no, wrong, no, no
Look, buddy, if you decide to ignore all the issues and just say that all these things don't even exist, then you live in a state of deliberate delusion.
The anti-white hate is real and (see pic) is just a tiny set of examples out there.

>>whites were responsible for slavery
>Correct
U wot mate? Slavery existed thousands of years before that, you dolt. Whites are not "responsible" for slavery. They participated in it like all the other.

>>rebuild their stalinist state
>apart from tankies
>soviet-era autocracy is not seen with good eyes
Sure... You and your ilk just try to distance yourself from it because of optics. And I've listened to enough left people, who claim to be against tankies, but they still want a stalinist state.
Take Vaush for example. He claims to be against stalinism, but at the same time he's all like: "liberals get the bullet too", "political violence is awesome", "fascists must be killed", "centrists are crypto fascists", "conservatives are fascists", "libertarians are fascists", "capitalism is fascism", "middle class needs to be purged", "tankies will be purged" and so on and so on.
He just wants to kill everyone, who has a different worldview and he is growing in popularity, because he is just so honest about leftist goals.
Cool ideology you have there. If everyone, who disagrees gets killed, well then finally you get your utopia... Cool story... Just a totalitarian cult, if you ask me.

>Most leftist circles dislike
lol, I guess I've watched and listened to far more from the left than you did.

>>"Libertarianism", has been declared as "fascism"
>I can see that.
Yeah, cause you are a complete illiterate regarding politics.
Fascism as envisioned and implemented by (the socialist) Mussolini is all about the absolute state, which has dominion over every aspect in life.
Libertarianism is the spectrum between "no state at all" and "minarchism".

>We work for it.
I doubt you've worked one day in your life.
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>>713099
95% of that picture features NOTHING about white-genocide. You're either delusional or have very poor reading comprehension. The other 5% comes from sources you and me both wouldn't go to and they're obviously clickbait as their content is far from what the title suggests

If you honestly believe the things in that image are somehow promoting white genocide you have serious trouble with your education.

>Slavery existed thousands of years
yes
>Whites are not "responsible"
they are
>They participated in it like all the other.
correct... your point being?

Vaush is definitely a stupid coomer with a lot of hate in his rhetoric. It's telling that you pick the one guy even breadtube has a problem with to... somehow prove something?
And I agree with the statement "fascists must be killed". Keep in mind being a fascist and having fascistic tendencies are very different things.

>he just wants to kill everyone
he's a bit of an idiot, yes.

>I've watched and listened to far more from the left than you did.
sure you did

>Libertarianism is the spectrum between "no state at all" and "minarchism".
this is correct yet very simplistic and besides the point. This statement tells me you are either ignoring the broader spectrum purposefully or you're legitimately do not think at the broader picture.

>I doubt you've worked one day in your life.
I did. But that's beside the point because we're not really talking about me, are we?

Look, dude. It's clear you got a little upset I have a different opinion than you. But I don't get it. It's very confusing to me the way you look at things and wire it to something completely crazy in your mind. How can you say the left hates white people and yet, as you know, breadtube is at least 80% white and watched by people from all ethnicities. Even Vaush, the idiot, is white. It's incredible how your mind takes a sentence and distorts it to the most bizarre degree. It's almost as if you want to be angry for the sake of being angry.
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>>713113
>NOTHING about white-genocide.
Where did I say white genocide? I said it's anti-white hatred.

>clickbait
So? It just shows how prevalent anti-white hatred has become.

>correct... your point being?
My point is I said "kids believe whites were _RESPONSIBLE_ for slavery", you said "correct"
This is absolutely not true. Your opinion is factually incorrect.
Maybe I should explain it to you like to a kid:
If you buy a smart phone, like every one else, you are not "responsible for" the existence of smart phones.
Honestly. I don't understand what you don't understand. (and yeah, I know you are just doing mental gymnastics to win an argument, but, come on, you're just dogmatically dishonest)

>I agree with the statement "fascists must be killed"
>>Breadtube: "non-progressives are fascists or crypto fascists"
Do you see the implication?

>he's A BIT of an idiot, yes.
No. He is a dangerous lunatic, who'd exterminate everyone with a different opinion and you downplaying him just shows what an evil person you are.
This is what I said: "Don't be evil, fight the left"
You are lost, but people must prevent people like you from gaining any kind of influence.

>This statement tells me you are either ignoring the broader spectrum
Yeah, sure, if you misunderstand everything on purpose and go full retard, then yes, even libertarianism will appear like fascism to you.
You need to fix your brain, dude.
Maybe you've been lied to by your "breadtube", but then I'd say you need to expand your sources and read more about libertarianism and political theory in general.

>breadtube is at least 80% white and watched by people from all ethnicities. Even Vaush, the idiot, is white.
White guilt is profitable and they just love to flagellate themselves by saying "wypipo evilz, gimme money!"

>you want to be angry for the sake of being angry.
I dislike identity politics and the resulting blatant racism and hatred.

Leftists are just hateful wannabe thieves and tyrants - evil and dangerous.
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>>713124
>anti-white hatred
The point still stands. There is no hatred.
>prevalent anti-white hatred
not a thing.

Whites were indeed responsible for slavery, just like a few African leaders were also responsible, and other groups. If you're complicit to it, you're responsible. That was my point. You missed it but it's ok.

>>breadtube
Why the dishonesty? You know we're talking about Vaush AND I've told you about fascistic tendencies and STILL you are dishonest and see only what you want to see. You urgently need to detox. It's getting scary.

>dangerous lunatic
No. If you believe he really advocates for the death of every single capitalist, you're even more of a dishonest person than I thought so. Come one, aren't you guys always the ones to call out people for not getting jokes/hyperboles? Quit the hypocrisy. You know the right is violent. I know it, the govt know it. You see it everywhere. The right is violent. It's been so for a while now. The left doesn't want war. The war-mongering is ~almost~ (focus on this word bc you'll probably use one example as "proof" I'm wrong) exclusive to the right. People know that. Why lie?

>misunderstand everything on purpose
Was it me who misunderstood things? When you quoted "libertarianism is fascist", do you understand the context to which the word libertarianism in the sentence was applied to?

>White guilt is profitable
Not a thing and also you know that exactly 0% of white breadtube uses "white guilt" and "flagellate themselves". You're mistaken.


>leftists are hateful
Again, I don't get it. It's clear for everyone: the right is full of hatred. Why do you feel the need to say something that is universally known to be wrong? It's like you're lying to yourself.

Tyrants? Interesting. By how much you've... "informed" yourself you should know by now the left fights any form of tyranny, be it from governments or from corporations.The whole point of most leftist ideologies is freedom of expression. How do you now know that?
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>>713142
Not the guy you're replying to, but just wanted to say your hasbara is not very good. Sorry, Chaim.
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>>713142
cont

The context you use "identity politics" shows how ignorant you are about pretty much everything race related. Are you one of them "proud to be white" or "proud to be heterossexual" type of dude? If you think foreigners shouldn't express and celebrate their own culture or speak their own language you are extremely delusional. If you are somehow implying left-wing politicians are fighting for their cultures only, you're factually wrong. Take a look at US congress right now. Whatever you meant with that statement, you were wrong.
Now, if you really mean it when you say you don't like racism and hatred I'd suggest joining the fight against the spread of fascist propaganda (the likes of Charlottesville). You seem like you'd help.

>>713143
Fuck Israel.
Oh yes, this reminds me: What's up with liking Trump and Bolsonaro but hating Israel and jewish people? Must be tough.
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>>713142
>That was my point. You missed it but it's ok.
Protip: Learn how language works and how to formulate basic arguments.

Even if we went with your intended meaning of "responsible", what exactly is the reason you are singling out whites anyway?
It's just a historical fact that slavery was everywhere throughout out most of human history. So why are phrases like "whites responsible for slavery" so common and not "humanity is responsible for slavery"?

>There is no hatred.
>not a thing.
Do you know that simply dismissing evidence with "it does not exist" does not make it disappear?

>If you believe he really advocates for the death of every single capitalist
he strikes me as angry, self-righteous and unhinged. He has a burning disdain for other worldviews and repeatedly presents extermination as a good solution. What exactly is the joke, when he says he'll put "the others" against the wall?

>"libertarianism is fascist", do you understand the context
plz enlighten me. Every time I hear some kind of "evidence" from your side regarding this, it's just paranoia and "he's just PRETENDING to be against state oppression, but in reality, he tries to establish a totalitarian state"
How can you even operate in the world, when you just assume other people's intentions and think that they are lying?

>>leftists are hateful
>Again, I don't get it.
I'm not gonna repeat myself. If you stop pretending that the things I mention don't exist, you might understand my position.

>left fights any form of tyranny
The left is really good at killing a bunch of people for some "greater good", which turns into a dystopic hellhole with tyranny and genocide a few months later.
Maybe you are just too stupid and don't realize the danger your "comrades" are causing every fucking time.

>The whole point of most leftist ideologies is freedom of expression.
If you include economic factors as a prerequisite to freedom, it's "liberal" not leftism.
The pure freedom is: "Libertarianism"
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>>713149
>and not "humanity is responsible for slavery"?
Now we're getting at it. Do you know the "proud to be white" boys? Kinda cringy, aren't they? It's important to reiterate now that there's no "singling out whites" happening. Again, look at history curriculums, primary schools or universities. The fact is that for american history, slavery is obviously a pretty big subject. And what was happening in America back then? White people owning, buying, selling, punishing and exploiting slaves. You can't take an american history class without pointing out what the slave trade looked like. It would be a little absurd to take your own history featuring one of the biggest instances of the slave market and paint it as "hey, we did this thing but look, look outside, we're not t-that bad, ok? we're advanced, we're heroes, actually! ".

>dismissing evidence
You didn't show me any

>What exactly is the joke
It's hyperbole. Extremely distasteful and useless hyperbole. The right constantly uses it. You should be familiar with it.

>plz enlighten me
I have no idea what your point was in "PRETENDING to be against state oppression" so I'll just pretend you're not really talking about me.

That specific use of the word "libertarianism" should be clear as to represent the economic side of the right-wing version of libertarianism. Anarcho capitalism. That's what we're talking about when we say libertarianism is fascist. Is it directly fascist? No, but it can be a consequence since it opens up to trust and monopolies to happen. Too much power in the hands of corporations will inevitably ruin society. Don't you agree?

>The left is really good at killing-
I'll just stop you right there. People know Soviet-era autocracies are bad. Be it right of left wing. Why do you keep pretending like the left wants to reinstate some form of totalitarian state?

>If you stop pretending that the things I mention don't exist
They don't exist. Not to the degree or comparison you're trying to paint as.
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>>713184
cont.

>The pure freedom is: "Libertarianism"
Are you aware there's a left wing version of libertarianism? The word sure gets pushed around a lot, that's why you didn't understand the context of that particular use back then. But you are correct. Libertarianism, left-wing or right-wing, are indeed the purest form of freedom. I don't see how it would work. There's a lot of people who really want to do harm and take advantage of each and every situation possible. I don't think it's really all that realistic to think complete freedom would be beneficial to any society. We need police, healthcare education, unions and all that societal apparatus in order to have any sense of fair freedom. This is the part where theories diverge, obviously and this whole discussion isn't about that. I feel like this discussion was basically you trollishly spamming "left wing bad" and me trying to put some reality to it.

At the end of the day I still very much believe you are actively looking for something to be angry about. You see personal attacks where there aren't any. You see white hate where it doesn't exist. And I still don't know why. Like I said before: you need to detox. I have no idea if you're the type of guy who goes out a lot or not. Judging from, you know... >4channal.org/3 I'd guess you don't. But you should. The world is much more beautiful than you think.
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>slavery
>American history
This is the problem. The US education system is literally ignoring the history before and outside the US at the point they talk about slavery and genocide. If you ignore all the other instances it's understandable why kids believe white people invented slavery, genocide and invasion.
The problem is not teaching about those things in America. The problem is creating an artificial narrative via selective dismissal. It's one of the most basic forms of propaganda. i.e. Ignore all the bad things about the group you wanna agitate and praise them (e.g. black history month is all about black accomplishments, without the bad sides) and blame the to-be-hated group as the reason why bad things even exist (i.e. "whites are responsible for slavery&co")

This, combined with the anti-intellectual stance of the left (feelz > realz, logic and science are white male constructs of oppression) creates a population that hates whites ("created evil") and will find every excuse to defend and downplay Mongolian invasions, Arab invasions, conquests and genocides in Asia and Africa and all the rest (cause they aren't white, so they are not evil).
I've heard leftists defend Muslim taking white slaves as "justice for the horrors whites committed during the trans-Atlantic slave trade". Cool justice, delivered centuries BEFORE Europeans even knew Americas even exist...
It's just ideological dogmatism doing mental gymnastics to justify hatred.

>Why do you keep pretending like the left wants to reinstate some form of totalitarian state?
Because the left operates on the "individual liberties must be sacrificed to achieve the greater good". This, as seen in history countless times, will lead to a ruling class (e.g. one party state), which will kill anti-revolutionaries to protect their power.
Then they kill political rivals and their own revolutionaries to solidify the power base and protect themselves against the other murderous ideologues. Modern history 101.
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>>713184
>Why do you keep pretending like the left wants to reinstate some form of totalitarian state?
Please post an example from history where the left hasn't installed a totalitarian state. I know, i grew up in one.
I would argue that all kinds of political system have the inherent risk to fall into incompetence, tyranny and corruption. The historical track record speaks clearly: western democracy with a capitalist market system tends to provide the most freedom, wealth, a resemblance of justice while countries following a lefties ideology tend to fail hard.
It didn't work out the last 12 times and you wonder why people are still wary of this shit?
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>>713196
cont.

>Are you aware there's a left wing version of libertarianism?
You mean leftist anarchism, which is so much for freedom it even forbids property and says "everybody owns everything, cause greater good and if you don't let us take your stuff, we'll murder you".
Not really freedom, is it?
Especially when you include all the commune rules and laws of self-government (which is just anti-rule-of-law, mob democracy with total authority)

Contrast that to the freedom of ancaps with just one rule "you harm me or my stuff and I'll have a right to defend". No commune doctrines, no institutionalized thievery, no parasitism, just one simple rule.
I'm not even an ancap sympathizer, but when it comes to pure, philosophical freedom for the individual, they win hands down, while the leftist version is just "instead of one giant totalitarian state, let's have millions of small, tyrannical communes".

>you trollishly spamming "left wing bad" and me trying to put some reality to it.
Discussion is me explaining why leftism is bad, based on current trends, countless historical demonstrations and political/philosophical theory.
While you are just repeating "No, no!!! This does not exist! I will NOT inform myself and will hold to my subjective interpretation and ignore history, political theory, ethical principles and empiric evidence."
It was to be expected from someone on the left (i.e. "science was done by mostly whites and whites are bad, so science and logic are bad"
and all the instances of "ideological dogma is more important than reality")

>The world is much more beautiful than you think.
The world is beautiful, yes. There are many great things about life.
Just sucks that leftism tries to destroy or control everything and will try to enslave your mind with ideology or just kill you as soon as they have the power.
(inb4: yeah, but Khmer Rogue&Co were totally justified in their systematic extermination of different worldviews, cause they aren't white)
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The left is a disease that has to be physically removed.
The only thing that matter to leftists (a true leftist not this idiot >>713142
>3 in this thread) is power and their final goal is democracy.
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>>713196
>The US education system is literally ignoring the history before
We've been thorugh this before, kid. You're wrong. just google a fucking curriculum.

>If you ignore all the other instances
this doesn't happen

>kids believe white people invented slavery, genocide and invasion
they don't. I've never seen anyone say this. And neither did you.

I mean, for fuck's sake, white people weren't even the first civilized people. Nobody believes the things you say. No one. I'll give you the point that they MIGHT believe white people created slavery, if they had a really poor education system (american). ANything else, you're delusional and dishonest.

>anti-intellectual stance of the left
Most scientists, teachers, authors, sociologists and everyone academia related are leftist. You can go to any major university in the world, public or private. There will be overwhelming presence of leftist people. The right is also known not only for being the violent one, but also the anti-intellectual one. From climate, to drugs, sexuality, religion. All the right does is say stupid shit. I know you said it to try and be cheeky because you know full well how the right is dumb as fuck.

>feelz > realz, logic and science are white male constructs of oppression
you just went full Ben Shapiro. ignored.

>"individual liberties must be sacrificed to achieve the greater good"
That's literally wrong. This shows you lied to me when you said you knew more about leftists ideology than I do. That's just kind of retarded.

>as seen in history
We've been thorugh this already. I care just as little as you about communism from the past.

>>713199
and again.

>>713201
>forbids property
That's a huge great word gymnastic you did there. Ancoms: hey man you can live anywhere you want. Ancaps: hey man you need to buy this regulated and lawful square of land if you want to live, get off my lawn.
It's incredible the way you made it seem like the former is the authoritative and not the latter.
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>Oh yes, this reminds me: What's up with liking Trump and Bolsonaro but hating Israel and jewish people? Must be tough.
Don't know about Bolsonaro because he's way over there in Brazil and to me he seems like a blowhard, even getting congratulated by Bibi Netanyahu when he was elected. Never supported Trump either because he was supported by Sheldon Adelson, the jew billionaire during the elections and considered the American counterpart to the Hungarian jew George Soros who you well know funds antifa types like you. Then there's the connection with Trump and Epstein, the latter who was involved with Israeli intelligence and is probably sipping tequila on a beach in Tel Aviv right now. Of course, you'll never hear that from today's kosher right when they go around endorsing their daddy Trump for 2020. That's the same kosher right who had people shouting for "white sharia" in Charlottesville to drive home the narrative that any and all pro-White social activists are violent notzees who deserve to be jailed. That same kosher right had nazbol degenerates like Richard Spencer and Matt Heimbach on their gang who all adhere to Alexander Dugin, an anti-Western Russian imperialist/apologist who, contrary to conservative values that you would traditionally expect from the right, does not support ethnocentrism in any way and considers himself on the left as far as social justice is involved. What this means is that the alt-right "nazi" types you saw in places like Charlotesville are running schizo ideologies, and they're actors/agents/agitators who pretend to be grassroots movements trying to steer people with valid concerns over their situation towards kosher figureheads like Trump, who will most certainly not do anything for them except dig them a deeper hole.

Basically today's kosher left/right paradigm is a whole WWE-tier shitshow, and one I'm glad not to partake in. I feel sorry for anyone who has to shill this hard for either side, and you're one of them.
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>>713201
cont.

also
>hur communism is about taking your things and giving it to people
I don't even know why I bother.

ancoms are all about absolute freedom, even from land, and people being actively mindful to treat each other with respect and dignity without police (which, like I said before, makes it impossible in my point of view)

ancaps will shoot in the leg if you step on their grass. How is that not retarded?

>me explaining why leftism is bad
strawmaning and cherry-picking doesn't make the cut, kid.
>current trends
a bunch of tweets of people saying white people are trash? How fucking sensitive are guys, really? You guys get trggered by the most harmless shit. They're not even talking about you, specifically. But if the mask fits, you're probably a shitty person. The people in that image clearly, by their tone, do not discriminate. It's all banter, are you even on twitter? It's constant. The same people that tweet that kind of joke also read, watch, listen to and play shit that's for and by white people as well. Stop being such an infantile brat.

>countless historical demonstrations
0

>"science was done by mostly whites and whites are bad, so science and logic are bad"
oops. I didn't even read this part before I wrote this one >>713212
It's really quite curious how you paint the left being the anti-intellectual. It's not realistic at all, is it?

>Just sucks that leftism tries to destroy or control everything
Again, we've been through this. I don't know why you continue to push shit that's not true for current day leftist politics. And you say you know your stuff. You're clearly illiterate when it comes to it. Don't delute yourself.
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>>713214
>the Soros conspiracy
oh boy. Do tell me.
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>>713214
if you really didn't partake in it you wouldn't have read that much shit and posted it here. And what the fuck does kosher mean? Why are you guys so literate in jewish culture?
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>Black Lives Matter has been hijacked by George Soros
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/black-lives-matter-has-been-hijacked-by-george-soros-sheriff-clarke
>The man behind the women: George Soros gave $246M to partners of Women's March
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/7/george-soros-gave-246-million-partners-womens-marc/
>How George Soros Singlehandedly Created The European Refugee Crisis - And Why
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/how-george-soros-singlehandedly-created-european-refugee-crisis-and-why

Now let me guess what your answer will be:

>Didn't happen! Didn't happen at all!! You're just an anti-semitic conspiracy theorist naziiiiii!
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>>713225
wtf none of this is antifa
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>>713231
>David Horowitz Explains How George Soros and the ‘Shadow Party’ Rule Over Democrats
https://www.theepochtimes.com/david-horowitz-explains-how-george-soros-and-the-shadow-party-rule-over-democrats_2637336.html
>‘Refuse Fascism’ Group Behind Berkeley Riot Received $50k from George Soros
https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2017/02/05/refuse-fascism-group-behind-berkeley-riot-funded-george-soros/
>Antifa Protesors, "George Soros, Where's Our Money?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBmuDDm_CuM
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>>713235
>Breitbart
>Conservative Vanguard
Are you really a doomer centrist? Are you sure?
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>>712125
I pirate.
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>>713215
You are just a delusional, ill-informed partisan, whose entire worldview can be summed up as:
"My team good, other team bad. The problems on my team don't exist and everyone showing evidence must be crazy or lying."

You are just as hateful as the rest of the current leftists and it is astonishing how extreme your levels of denial are regarding the manufactured hate against whites. Especially, because you yourself stated:
>anti-[race] is actually renounced by every leftist circle.
While at the same time you did not renounce the anti white hate. Instead you just said that it is not real and I'm the insane one for opposing racism.
Principles - ever heard of it?

How can you look in the mirror without feeling ashamed, when you are advocating for this kind of ideology?

I bet you will go apeshit, when you see racism against blacks, but you will punch whites for opposing racism, because you regard them as nazis. And a day later you'll protest for free-stuff-for-all, open borders, reparations, racial justice and an increase of affirmative action.

Then you engage in just whataboutism, ignoring left faults, by pointing at the right.
You constantly assert motivation, alignment and intent, but treat your opinions as fact. Facts that you use to dehumanize "the other".
You are so deep in your cult, you just assume that I'm some "crazy", "insane", "triggered", "cringy" right and that everything I said is a lie.
Everything I said is factually correct and if I had to align myself with ideologies, I'd say I'm a liberal, who is opposed to dogmatic ideologies.

What saddens me the most is: My causes will suffer, because hateful dogmatists like you are growing in numbers and are ousting rational, nuanced, constructive people.
Your are part of the cancer that is killing social democracies through sheer ignorance, extremism, denial and toxicity.

I hope one day you have more life experience, knowledge and empathy and will finally start opposing the leftist cancer.
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>>713252
little do you know I considered myself a classical liberal before joining university. I legitimately thought there was a way to mix capitalism with some very few state services and controlling only the most ill-intented practices like monopolies. I also was beginning my journey into thinking "the gays are getting too much praise in the media, everybody should be accepted, no one should be more accpeted than others". So when you say "I hope one day you have more life experience, knowledge and empathy", it's exacty what happen. I was a recluse. Along the years I made several LGBTQ friends and they teached me some really crucial points. Mainly because I'm brazilian, I learned to recognize actual threat. You project so much about me, guessing my entire viewpoint as if you had every bit of knowledge.

You know what. Why don't you showed me how many cases of actual racism against whites (as in violence, actual factual discrimination, not letting white people walk through neibourhoods and all) and compare it with how many of these actions happened the other around? You talk so much how "dangerous" a few stupid tweets are, it's like you've been in a fight in real life.

I can say for a fact that I grew up from a stupid ideology while you just stays there throwing every bad word you can about me. Look at your text, man. There's absolutely 0 respect. And I'm the one who needs to grow up, right? Fuck this. You guys are too damaged.
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>>713259
it's like you've never been*
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>>713259
>turned left after joining university
Who would have thought........
Wait a few years.
You'll see the corruption, dishonesty and hypocrisy on all sides and you'll lose the respect you had for the left as soon as you become their scapegoat-for-today.

Easiest way to lose the sympathy is just joining a workers union or left activist group. You'll see how the reality of leftism treats you. Expect backstabbing and blame.

>Why don't you showed me how many cases of actual racism against whites
Go to /pol/. They have many thread showcasing race riots and blacks beating up whites just because of their skin color. Not gonna get banned for posting gore videos on /3/, if you can just go there and see for yourself.
If you like statistics, just ask there and you'll get a truck load of official statistics proving my point.

>it's like you've been in a fight in real life.
I have been. Not US. In Europe we have a problem with muslim clans in school, who roam around beating up Germans for lulz and money. Teachers are too scared being labeled "racist" and just close their eyes instead of stopping it.
The only time school did something against the violence was when Germans started fighting back. Lead to suspensions, cause "white extremism is bad, non whites are always innocent"

This is what the left has done. They have created communities of people, who can do as they please without fearing consequences. Add to that the draconic treatment of people, who defend themselves and you have institutionalized racism, sanctioned and defended via left wing ideology.

>You project so much about me, guessing my entire viewpoint
You are dismissing the anti-white hate, think extremist demagogues like Vaush are harmless, deflect everything with whataboutism, advocate for an ideology that has lead to tyranny every fucking time, while being soft on the "libertarianism is fascism, kill fascists" talk.
I'm pretty sure I know enough about you:
You are a disgusting, evil person.
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>>713261
That's exactly what I'm talking about. In the end we're fighting over the same fucking shit. I remember one case that got really famous of a few BLM people beating up and killing some white dude. That shit got slammed by every leftist I know.The same thing with violence for religious reasons. People I know are all about ending religous fanaticism and it absolutely includes muslims. For the shit you've been thorugh, it seems tough. Just don't believe the lies that "most leftists don't want to make minorities pay for their crimes". It's bullshit.

As for the historical point, again. I'm not even going to address your shit anymore, we've been through it in every single post. I'd have to consider it trolling by now.

>You are a disgusting, evil person
sure I am.

This kind of attack serves only to distance people even more. There's so much you talked about that the left absolutely fights against but you paint all the left as one big scared of being wrong monster. It's factually incorrect. You keep saying it and I keep saying otherwise, we have completely different perspectives and in the end we just want to end systemic prejudice.

If you really mean it when you say I'm disgusting and evil, it just shows the propaganda you've been fed is working.
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also,
>Go to /pol/
no
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>>713261
>Who would have though........
It's like I said, statistically speaking, if you're an intellectual you're probably left-wing.
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>>Go to /pol/
>no
Afraid to see the data and evidence?
If a worldview is afraid of counterarguments and tries to silence them or ignore them, it just shows how fragile and removed from reality it is.

>if you're an intellectual you're probably left-wing.
Do you even know the definition of "intellectual"?
And do you know the underlying virtues regarding right wing ideologies?
Right wingers often correlate with self-sufficiency, self-improvement, self-actualization, creation, family, entrepreneurial spirit.
The intelligent people on the left are drawn to screech on the street and pester society with demands "for the greater good".
The intelligent people on the right are making money, advancing technology, having families, teaching their children.
When you got so much real stuff to do, you just don't have the time to write feminist poems and do lesbian basket weaving during pointless street protests.
The sad part is: The left is powerful enough to steal the wealth from productive people via taxes, to feed their parasitic gender studies, sociology symposiums and all those "muh progressive" welfare programs.
Not sure why you regard it as some kind of point for your position, when so many armchair philosophers and welfare recipients are on your side, while the middle class and hard labor are opposing your 'utopia'.
It just shows how many lazy people fall for the "free stuff" propaganda created by your armchair philosophers.
Every single one of your great leftist thinkers was a fucking loser. Marx, the life long moocher. Kropotkin, who never worked a real job, but had "the best ideas" regarding stuff he never experienced. And all the rest.

>As for the historical point, again. I'm not even going to address your shit anymore
Cause history supports my position, by demonstrating how evil leftist take over is.
Every fucking time.
You can deny it as much as you want, but it won't make the next takeover any less immoral and tragic.
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>>713275
>Afraid to see the data and evidence?
On /pol/? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
I used to lurk /pol/. It's kind of amazing actually. Most of the times it feels like 90% of that +18 board is not even 14. The most retarded, conspirational bullshit that's easily debunkable just proliferate freely like it's the new fucking bible or something. Cultists. A few of the data they post up there are missing key features in their research or are just plain wrong. But most of them, if you actually take the time to read it, don't even come to the same conclusion as they try to pant. Have you done this test before? Have you actually read a paper in its entirety? I mean, it's something you learn to do when you're in university and doing it helps you not become delusional like /pol/ cucks.

>hur dur would you look at venezuela
that's the most boomer non-argument ever.
It's being heavily used by the Bolsonaro NPCs here in Brazil. They just yell "THEN MOVE TO VENEZUELA" everytime someone even mentions Lula. It's incredible the level of reasoning these people lack.

about that whole block of text. We're going in circles. I've already told that left wing politics of today are about self-improvement and self-actualization for the advancement of society as a whole. If want to ignore it, fine. You can choose to be dumb.

We've also been through your image of the left as "wanting free stuff" which is just ridiculous and dishonest. This strawman is one of the cheapest arguments you can make and you know it's not true. Look, we've been through almost everything you said at least 3 times in this thread. You refuse to acknowledge anything I explain to you, you refuse to do you own research into the things I tell you.

If you're going to keep spouting that garbage I guess we can end this thing right here since you have a wall in front of your mind. There's not much else that can be done.
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>>713279
>left wing politics of today are about self-improvement and self-actualization for the advancement of society as a whole

brainwashed or troll
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>>713279
>"THEN MOVE TO VENEZUELA"
Why don't you do it?
You want to live in a socialist system, so move to one, instead of turning your country into a hellhole.

>your image of the left as "wanting free stuff" which is just ridiculous and dishonest.
You haven't presented even one single argument against this...
The popular leftist in the US, Sanders, proposed a 97.5% tax rate for the rich. This is supposed to fund free stuff, like "free" healthcare, "free" colleges and so on.
What is so dishonest about it?
It's just theft and the left LOVES him, because of the promises (which, to repeat: free stuff)
Explain to me, how you can even think it's not about free stuff.

>advancement of society as a whole
yeah, I already said it: "fOr tHe grEaTer GoOd"
You guys have the goal of using state power to steal from people and give free stuff to others, because you want to feel like heroes.
It doesn't change how you phrase it. You can call it "fair" or "justice" or "reparations" or whatever, but if someone demanded your money and threatened you with prison or death, if you don't comply, you'd be rather unhappy as well.
To me it feels completely unjust, even if I am not the primary victim of this systematic robbery. It just feels unfair.
If you are fine with losing your stuff to "help" people, then it's fine. Walk the talk. Sell all your assets and donate everything to Africa or whatever.
But let me guess, you'll tell me "nonono. my stuff is rightfully owned and here are a hundred reasons, why I should not give away my stuff, in fact I want more. Give me MOOORE!"

>left wing politics of today are about...
left wing politics of today, as I said, are about identity politics. Just random minority groups, who have allied to steal from the majority to get free stuff.

I know I am repeating myself, but this is actually the core of the leftist ideology:
"We are good. We deserve free stuff. They are bad. They don't deserve their stuff."

Please use arguments. Please!
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>WhY dOn't yoU do it?
Fuck Venezuela and Fuck Maduro and everything he stands for.

>Please use arguments. Please!
I'm stating facts you can easily google.

Look buddy. You're too ignorant. The moment you chose to go with that argument you lost me. Didn't you guys say you are the rational ones? What a joke.

I shouldn't be stating the obvious for fuck's sake but since you're not even 18 I'll say it: taxation isn't theft and it isn't free. Nothing is free. You should know that.
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>>713284
>Nothing is free.
So why are the leftists running with points like "free healthcare" and "free college"?
Maybe you should use your time to inform the leftists that they have been lying and deliberately misleading the citizenry all those years.
Many of them seem confused (see pic).

>I'm stating facts you can easily google.
What fact did you state?
You've written a bunch of opinions, which were mostly "no, that's not true, cause I don't believe it" and ideological, wishful thinking.

Just claiming "if we control the world, everything will be fine and dandy" is not a "fact".

Not gonna lie, it's been amusing writing with you, so maybe you've indeed stated facts, but they got drowned by the banter, so please state these facts as individual statements, so I can address them.
As you seem rather frustrated I promise you I'll be respectful and charitable in the counter arguments regarding these statements.
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>>713281
The kicker is that this pro-antifa clown is from one of the most corrupt hellholes here on Earth, and here he is accusing /pol/ of being paranoid conspiracy theorists for trying to expose people and organizations when his own country is getting wrecked by cases of corruption one after the other, as if it's utterly impossible from people in high places to operate like organized crime and behind other people's backs. Hilarious.

I seriously doubt this guy even went to university to do serious work, when he can't seem to even open a newspaper to read about the latest hot scandal from his cartel-infested rathole.
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Right-leaning people argue from a place of emotion, and left-leaning people, from a place of reason. Both are capable of either but these are the main tendencies. And unless they reach out if their comfort zones they'll never understand each other, nor be able to find intermediate positions. This is what's happening on this thread. Besides unabated faggotry.
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>>713304
>This is what's happening on this thread.
Just to make sure:
Most of the thread is me (a social democrat, liberal) arguing against a leftist.
He thinks it's awesome. I think it the most dangerous cult in the world, because it promises free stuff and utopia and delivers hate, tyranny and extermination of other world views. (consistently throughout history)
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>>713304
Unless you've inadvertently swapped the "right-leaning" and "left-leaning" words around, I'm guessing the "unabated faggotry" part was supposed to describe your own self.
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>>713289
You can't just show evidence and demand facts.
That's discrimination against the uninformed!
How dare you!
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>>713284
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNbBjWLERzkeRi4q22yZ0OvMt5ck8u_Q3

Unironically
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>>713304
>Let's pretend 2016 didn't happen
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>>712125
no arguments to this one lol
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>>712560
I'm a software developer with ties to the Alt-Right proper (dick, faulk, etc.) I like 3D because I make anime girls to get my pp hard. Is it really that hard to understand?
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>>713142
>The point still stands. There is no hatred.
It's time to go back to rebbit or grow up kiddo. People are racist, some hate their own race because that's all they've been told, it's really not that hard to understand.
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>and left-leaning people, from a place of reason
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>>713465
What's that depicting? /pol/?
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I love how the leftist just vanished, after he was asked for facts.
What a pathetic loser.
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>>713201
>You mean leftist anarchism, which is so much for freedom it even forbids property and says "everybody owns everything, cause greater good and if you don't let us take your stuff, we'll murder you".
Oh nice, so now you just resort to blatantly lie to make your point.
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>>712125
>no 3ds max
it's dead, isn't it?
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>>713465
Somebody thought this was a good idea and spent time altering the original...
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>>713830
Nonsense
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>>713830
3ds max is from Autodesk.
Check the right upper corner.
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>>713828
if you had a counter argument, you'd make it, instead of the typical lefty "liar, liar, I don't want to believe it, you are wrong, cause I deny reality"
All these leftist anarchist groups try to "eradicate hierarchy" by getting rid of property. It's stated in their fucking manifestos and on their sites.
What do you think will happen, if someone don't want to give away their stuff after a lefty takeover?
Do you think they'll just be "that's fine, we'll try to convince you with a performative lesbian dance"? Or will it be like every fucking time in history: Some revolutionary thugs will come over, take your stuff by force and if you resist, they'll murder you and your family on the spot for being "evil fascist capitalist reactionary counter revolutionaries".
Grow up you mongrel and read some history instead of advocating for a tyrannical cult based on "give me free stuff, cause I'm the greater good".
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>>713896
>if you had a counter argument
In order to have a counter argument, you need to have an argument first. "Dude trust me" is NOT an argument.

>All these leftist anarchist groups try to "eradicate hierarchy" by getting rid of property. It's stated in their fucking manifestos and on their sites.
Curious, because I have read almost all of them and literally not a single time I have found what you just claimed.
Mind sharing some actual quotes?

>read some history
If you actually practiced what you preached maybe you'd know that "every fucking time in history" an actual anarchist society was about to be born, it was always immediately taken down on the spot by *external force*; i.e.: precisely by *fascist capitalists reactionary counter revolutionaries*
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>>714102
(1/2)
>you need to have an argument first. "Dude trust me" is NOT an argument.
It is an argument. What you want is not an additional argument but a 'reference', 'evidence' or 'source'. Which is not the same.

>Mind sharing some actual quotes?
Uh?
Kropotkin argues for this in the Conquest of Bread. His reasoning is: Everything produced and owned was produced and owned by workers, but required a society, which makes property (according to Kropotkin) immoral and unjust.
Marx basically says "it's unjust, cause it's evil, cause it's theft, cause it's exploitation".
Proudhon the same with his "property is robbery".
Do you want me to research the pages for you or what? Maybe read the fucking basics of the ideology you are defending. Maybe, when you read these fuckers, you'll see it's difficult to quote them, because they take like ten pages to explain their hate for property and there are few 'short quotes', which you seem to aim for.

>"every fucking time in history" an actual anarchist society was about to be born, it was always immediately taken down on the spot by *external force*
Having no defense against external forces is the PREREQUISITE to every society.
You can run the best restaurant in town, but if you just keep your money lying around on tables and don't even lock the door at night, don't blame 'external forces' for taking your stuff. Blame your naivety and your misunderstanding of reality.
Life is not a fairy tale. Deal with it.

I believe this quote was true for most of recent history:
"If you are not a liberal at 25, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at 35 you have no brain"
This is why I totally sympathize with young not-SJW-leftists as their convictions often come from a good place: Sympathy, charity, wanting to help society run more efficiently, to provide people with more liberty and resources.
These people often become republicans when they get older, when they understand how deep and consistent corruption takes hold.
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>>714226
(2/2)
The corruption in all its forms is one of the worst enemies of society:
- lobbyists, who use the government to allow their clients to get tax-payer money
- interest groups, which turn from 'a little bit of help' to outright parasitism, exploitation and hate against the outgroup
- intellectuals in academia, who use nepotism to uplift their friends and ideological allies (despite academic shortcomings), while keeping opposing worldviews down
- big businesses that help each other to keep young competitors from the market by using the state to introduce heavy fees and regulations
- party members that ally together to push their viewpoints and advance their power via cliques and factions

The more you read history the more you'll understand how this pattern repeats itself.
Some leftists think it's because of the concept of property, but the true origin is simply power and status and you won't get rid off such a human trait, just because you remove money from the equation.

To alleviate this problem humanity needs creative destruction, because new projects simply can not afford ideological nepotism and will have to focus on meritocracy to succeed.
Meritocracy is not enough, you need some kind of method to allow other people to support these projects. Having an investment market and corporations (I'm talking about the market form, not about big businesses) are right now the best methods we have to allow people to transfer their 'power' (money) to help the new thing grow.

I believe the world would be helped, if we started to reform capitalism (to remove laws and regulations from corruption and lobbying) instead of trying to abolish it.
Furthermore we MUST teach capitalism and economic theory in schools. It's a bitch how often you see people, struggle with money, because they are too consumerist and don't invest in the stock market but instead get some 'big fat car' and frivolous bullshit, which eats them up with maintenance cost.
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>>714102
>>714226
>>you need to have an argument first. "Dude trust me" is NOT an argument.
>It is an argument. What you want is not an additional argument but a 'reference', 'evidence' or 'source'. Which is not the same.
Just to make sure you don't misunderstand me on purpose:
The "Dude trust me" is not the argument I mean.
I mean all the posts I've made, which have plenty of reasoning which are valid on their own.
If you are so authoritarian and seem to think that only "sources" provide legitimacy to an argument, then you should probably change your stance, because you seem to live the appeal-to-authority-fallacy.
(and secondly: Just read your ideologues yourself ffs.)
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>His reasoning is:
Don't care about your summary.
Actual quote, please

>Marx basically says "it's unjust, cause it's evil, cause it's theft, cause it's exploitation".
Again, I do not give a shit about your personal reinterpretation. I want an *actual quote*. Something like pic related for example, which, for one, means the exact opposite of what you claimed. And I'm not even a marxist.

>Proudhon the same with his "property is robbery".
Then how do you explain that he was the founder of mutualism, which advocates everyone having their own means of production, making him literally more pro-property than a fucking ancap? Could it be that you're taking quotes out of context to make them sound the opposite of what they mean?

>These people often become republicans when they get older, when they understand how deep and consistent corruption takes hold.
Yeah, maybe when they get so old that senile dementia makes them unironically believe that republicans are somehow less corrupt than the others.
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>tfw righties don't know about the distinction between personal property and private property
>tfw righties bought into the whole "private property is a natural right" privatist propaganda
>tfw righties are asserting the right of others to have deprived them of their personal property, and they don't even realize this
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>>714278
>posts a quote which shows Marx's opposition to property
>gIvE mE qUotE hOw marX iS agAinSt prOperTy!!! caUsE he IsN't!!!
are you high?

>unironically believe that republicans are somehow less corrupt than the others
there is literally no other valid party which tries to lower taxes and reduce regulation (which weakens the influence of the state, which is exactly what I want)
Not saying that Republicans aren't corrupt, but Democrats are just "gimme money, so I can give free stuff to my voters".
Not a great set of options, but Democrats and EU/Canada/Australia lefties are the cancer that is killing the West.
Additionally they are hard lining with "fuck white people" and "fuck males, yay feminazism!" too.

>>714290
>tfw righties don't know about the distinction between personal property and private property
What's a computer? What are tools?
I know that in your perfect utopia all people would be slaving away 12 hours a day in factories and on potato farms, just so they can beg on their knees and plead to some corrupt commune council: "Please, please, allow me to use these tools to fix my leaking pipes"
And the council will just say: "No, towarish, fuck off to the potato farm and gimme your labor AND the produce for nothing. uh. I mean: For the greater good!"

You are just a lazy, delusional mofo, who thinks he'll be one of the deciders, but you'll just be some state slave in the state factories. And when you try to rebel, they'll make you vanish.

If you weren't lazy, you'd know you can quite turn your labor into profit by being self employed, but you are just a nagging, greedy armchair philosopher, who just wants other people's stuff.

> "private property is a natural right"
Might makes right.
Right now the state is defending people's property against thieves like you guys.
I know you want to disarm the population, so you have zero opposition, when you "redistribute" (=stealing and murdering to enrich yourself), but not today, buddy.
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>>714310
>"No, towarish, fuck off to the potato farm and gimme your labor AND the produce for nothing. uh. I mean: For the greater good!"
That comrade is probably a useless fatty with low work ethic.
We have overpopulation.
That comrade will be volunteered to serve as canned meat for our glorious soldiers, who are exterminating dissidents.
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>>714310
>I know that in your perfect utopia all people would be slaving away 12 hours a day in factories and on potato farms, just so they can beg on their knees and plead to some corrupt commune council: "Please, please, allow me to use these tools to fix my leaking pipes"
>And the council will just say: "No, towarish, fuck off to the potato farm and gimme your labor AND the produce for nothing. uh. I mean: For the greater good!"
This pretty much describes the core of capitalism: make public property private, concentrate the means of production in as few hands as possible, extort most people so they work mostly for the benefit of the private proprietors, and limit personal property to the minimum extent possible.

This """utopia""" is a reality in the less regulated, most capitalistic places in the world.

>Might makes right.
Exactly. The property of the commons was stolen from you by force, made private, and you are somehow convinced that this was legitimate.

Care to explain, by the way, how is it that might makes right?
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>>714314
What the fuck about your life are you even complaining about?
inb4: "I wish I would own a car manufacturing plant and a villa and I don't want to work"

Bitch, just deal with the hand you got and make the best out of it instead of learning useless political theories and advocating for murderous cults.

Capitalism allows the smart, hard workers to live a good life. Just because you were gaming and watching animes throughout your life and did not advance your career properly does not make the system bad.
It's just you, who is stupid and lazy. And above all: Greedy!
You could have a good life. For you and your family. You could volunteer, donate, advance constructive projects, help family, friends and neighbors. Instead you were a hedonistic sloth throughout your life and now that you are comparing yourself with other people you are like: "Wtf? He worked for it. I want it, so let's pretend he did not earn it and let the state murder him, so I can get it."

Here is a pic of how everybody in society sees you, you greedy, lazy, intellectually dishonest cunt.
What are you complaining about?
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>>714323
Oh, look! If it is our old friends, "Poor people chose to be poor" and "He speaks to the good of the disadvantaged, so he must be disadvantaged as well"!

Pathetic.
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>>714332
What? Lol. No!

>"Poor people chose to be poor"
You probably didn't choose to be a lazy, greedy asshole. I bet it's a combination of bad parenting and too much media consumption as a kid.

>"He speaks to the good of the disadvantaged, so he must be disadvantaged as well"
As you are on /3/ and have enough spare time to muse of leftism, I bet you are quite privileged.
The typical middle class zoomer/millenial, who was told he's so special, never developed work ethics and now blames the world, because no one prepared you for reality and now it hurts.
Yeah, keep going, blame everything but yourself, but at some point you just went along with it.
Recognizing and accepting failure is the first step to improvement.
Go to a mirror and tell yourself the hard truth about yourself:
"I want communism, because I am lazy and worthless and right now I can't even compete in a normal market system, so I hope for a murderous revolution so I can steal other people's stuff. Now I have realized how immoral it is and how most of my problems come from me and can only be solved by myself.
From this day forward I swear I'll improve my life and stop daydreaming and believing in dangerous delusions."
I wish you luck.
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>>714346
This much projection, I'm starting to enjoy it. Let's see, who is the most lazy and greedy? Someone happy with increasing progressive taxes so that everybody has a better life, even at the expense of his relatively high earnings? Or somebody who wants the state to tax less, so he can have more of his money for himself, and fuck everybody else?
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>>714350
Lol? I'd rather have more money and give it to people, who deserve it, in exchange for goods and services or as charity to projects I regard as positive.
Not to entitled assholes, because it might end up in the pockets of evil parasites like yourself.

>projection
No, you are just immoral, who hopes for a totalitarian state that robs with the threat of murder, just so you get free stuff you did not earn.

And still you did not answer the most important question:
WTF are you even complaining about?

inb4: "The CEO of Amazon has more money than I, so I want it. I want it all. Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! Gibs! Gibs! Gibs!"
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>>714290
>tfw righties don't know about the distinction between personal property and private property
the distinction of personal and private property is just an invention by leftist morons, who lack creativity.
"It's private property, when you use it to make money"
An entrepreneur can use a toothbrush to clean, will upcycle garbage and sell it with profit.
You are just too stupid to see the potential of things and want to take everything away to prevent others from doing it.

In short: Leftists are idiots and want to cripple their better.
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>>714310
>posts a quote which shows Marx's opposition to property
I like how you always conveniently hide the word "private" which completely break your narrative.

>lower taxes and reduce regulation (which weakens the influence of the state, which is exactly what I want)
LMAO, Literally "at least it's not the government". Also, yourself:
>Right now the state is defending people's property against thieves like you guys.
Please come back when you make peace with your mind
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>>714433
>Leftists are idiots and want to cripple their better

t. "better"
lmao let's judge that, post your work.
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>>714323
>Capitalism allows the smart, hard workers to live a good life.
Sure thing dude, go tell that to one of the countless miners, factory workers, child slaves, prostitutes around the world, about how much more smart and hard working Mark Zuckenberg and George Soros are compared to them!

>>714433
Imagine accusing random people of totalitarianism while unironically defending someone like Amazon's CEO who would make Stalin look like a libertarian by comparison.
Spoken like a true and proud bootlicker.
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>>714479
Fuck off commie shitstain, whoever the current CEO of Amazon is, he didn't kill 30-50 million of his own people.
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>>714472
kek
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WTF are you all complaining about?

>>714471
>Please come back when you make peace with your mind
Your thinking has become so rigid you can't even understand anything besides the most ridiculous extremes. No wonder you advocate for some stupid leftist cause.
I am a social democrat, not an ancap. I do appreciate a state, including police, military, a limited social safety net and so on.
Still, the state, as it is right now has far too many laws, regulations, fees and taxes of which most are used for bullshit.
Speaking of which, do you leftists even understand that there are more than two options? It's not just totalitarian, ideological government vs. anarcho capitalism.
Read about social democracies, minarchism, libertarianism, classical liberalism, civic nationalism and so on and so on.

>>714472
Not gonna allow a mob of unemployed, rabid ideologues reverse image search me just to contact my clients and smear me with your typical lies.
If you guys had any kind of ethical streak in you, then perhaps, but lefties have demonstrated countless times how dishonest, evil, malicious, vindictive and so on they are.

My god. If you guys would stop using your energy to pester political opponents and used it for something productive instead, you wouldn't even be lefties.
Obviously doing something productive requires talent, which you lack, but still, give it a try, you lazy, greedy mofo.

>>714479
>child slaves
You haven't looked into it I guess, cause you'd realize it's more about a certain religion. Additionally it's often in socialist and former socialist states...

>Miners, factory workers
You should talk to the working class, comrade. You'll learn that factory work is not hard work. It's tedious and repetitive, but not "hard".
It's nothing compared to manual farming, which people had to do in most socialist states.
And what about miners?
I bet you imagine some people, covered in coal, swinging their pickaxe 16 hours a day. Educate yourself.
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>>714496
>Your thinking has become so rigid you can't even understand anything besides the most ridiculous extremes.
Oh the irony coming from someone who's entire ideology can be summed up as "if you're against

>I am a social democrat
Oh, now this is getting hilarous! Do you even know what "social democracy" means? Let me enlighten you (pic related). It's 100% leftist in its every single conceivable way. It's the epithome of what you and your /pol/-tards friends would call "stealing from the smart hardworking people", "gibs-me-that", "mob-rule", "not muh real socialism amirite?" and so on.
Do you have a split personality or what?

>It's not just totalitarian, ideological government vs. anarcho capitalism.
Nice to know, persona B! Tell that to your previous anti-leftist personality, which spent a whole thread arguing how anyone who is against the idea of a handful millionairs making obscene profits over the exploitation of millions of people is an evil stalinist who wants to destroy civilization!

>You'll learn that factory work is not hard work. It's tedious and repetitive, but not "hard".
Oh sorry its not "hard" it's just "tedious". This changes everything I guess!
>I bet you imagine some people, covered in coal, swinging their pickaxe 16 hours a day.
Yep, that's pretty much how it was (and often still is) before the EEEVIL leftists started doing something about it
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>>714586
>Let me enlighten you (pic related).
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>>714586
I stated previously that I am a social democrat.
And yeah, as I said: You are too stupid to realize that economy/state is not a binary switch. It's a slider.
I don't want the 0% tax of ancaps. I don't want the abolition of property (= 100% taxes = state slavery)
I like the concept of social democracy, but want the state to shrink. From 30-50% taxes to maybe 10-20%.

>exploitation of millions of people
I am against real exploitation, but leftists think getting payed for working is somehow exploitation and supposed to be bad ("profit is exploitation, which is theft")
I don't want you assholes control my business, because you are stupid parasites and I am sure you'll wreck all the other businesses too, when you get your "proletariat rule". And when hard times inevitably come your utopia WILL turn into a totalitarian tyranny like every fucking time.

>Oh sorry its not "hard" it's just "tedious". This changes everything I guess!
Yeah it does. Depending on the person 3D modeling is tedious, so what? Wanna kill the indie game company owners too?

>Wikipedia pic
You see, this is the problem. You are being lied to and you are too stupid to question authority or read history for yourself.
Wikipedia, like academia and mass media has a very strong lefty bias and will lie and distort the truth to serve their agenda, which is often pro-marxist.
See pic. If you believe wikipedia, you'll think social democracy comes from marxists.
This is just a lie. A typical leftist lie, because they just steal everything to push their "greater good".
Neither welfare, nor democracy, nor publicly owned or controlled stuff originated from Marx.

Social democracy is neither socialist nor is it fascist. It's not stable though and must be constantly protected against corporation lobbying, social engineering elites and lazy, greedy, powerhungry leftists.
It's a pity how you guys were duped by the media and now advocate for pro-corporate policies like open borders and CO2 tax&trade.
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>>714651
>See pic.
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>>714651
>I stated previously that I am a social democrat.
So, a leftist. Got it.

>I don't want the abolition of property (= 100% taxes = state slavery)
Except abolition of property has nothing to do with taxation, which in turn has nothing to do with state slavery, which in turn has nothing to do with the first.

>You are being lied to and you are too stupid to question authority
Imagine thinking that universally agreed definitions and conventions are synonim with "authority".
Especially hilarous coming from someone who blindly believes every single piece of propaganda his government tells him about """socialist""" countries!
I guess authority is supposed to be questioned ONLY when it sides with the left, huh?

>See pic. If you believe wikipedia, you'll think social democracy comes from marxists.
Nice goalpost moving. We're talking about what social democracy *is*. Where it *comes from* is completely irrelevant.

>Neither welfare, nor democracy, nor publicly owned or controlled stuff originated from Marx.
Again, irrelevant. They're still all inherently leftist points. Social democracy is leftist. Deal with it.
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>>714671
You don't understand what you are talking about on the very basic level.
Social democrats are not leftists and just because your zealots claim everything good under the sun as their own does not make it true.
Obviously there are leftists, who call themselves social democrats, who pretend that "social democracy is the stepping stone to socialism" and because socialism has bad PR due to history and ideology, but regular social democrats oppose your bullshit ideas like:
- abolition of property
- abolition of capitalism
- the greater good > individual freedoms
- ideological dogma > liberty and critical thinking
- orthodoxy > free speech
You guys are the caricature, a monstrous, hideous, evil, radical perversion of the 'social' in social democracy.
You are leftists, I am not. And yeah, maybe you didn't get the memo: 'liberals get the bullet too', so FIY if you count on the good hearted people with western values and think we will assist you in your fucking revolution to feed your greed and megalomania, you should really rethink your prospects.

>Where it *comes from* is completely irrelevant.
You did not even understand the point it shows: Wikipedia is biased and will "reinterpret history" (= lie) to push pro-marxist points.

>Imagine thinking that universally agreed definitions and conventions
That Wikipedia article is not a definition. It's just biased bullshit ignoring key facts.

>Social democracy is leftist. Deal with it.
Contemporary it's centrist (at least in Europe). It's historically left-wing.
You can call it left-leaning, if you ignore the movement of the Overton window and use stupid shit like the political compass.
If you need a hint to the difference, research the different goals and worlviews of the SPD in West-Germany's 80s and East-Germany's SED (Socialist Unity Party).
So yeah, if you want to think leftism is the same as social democracy and all social democrats are secret socialists just start your revolution and you'll see who'll fight you...
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>>714691
>claim everything good under the sun as their own
*as yours
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Way to ruin everyones day with your politics bullshit
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>>712560
I spend a ton of time working my ass off by myself working on my project while listening to current news. Then I go outside and hear people who don't work complain about how they deserve stuff. Now I am very right wing. (by the way, Hitler isn't right wing you retards).
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>>714691
>You don't understand what you are talking about on the very basic level.
"NO UR WRONG!"
Not an argument

>Social democrats are not leftists
Please stop, you have no idea how much you're humiliating yourself. You've been annihilated with the most elementary logic that a 5-year old could understand. Just accept defeat and move on. Keep shouting "no ur wrong!" and slandering your opponent without providing the slightest shred of an argument only serves to make you look more like a fool.

>Obviously there are leftists, who call themselves social democrats
"not real social democrats", huh? I love how /pol/-tards hate socialists but also steal their arguments twisting them to make them look like they prove their own points

>but regular social democrats oppose your bullshit ideas like:
>strawmen
>strawmen
>strawmen
>ad hoc redefinitions
>strawmen
>strawmen
>strawmen
>personal insults
>personal insults
>ERROR! ERROR! LEFT=BAD! SOCDEM=GOOD! BUT ALSO SOCDEM=LEFT! ERROR! DOES NOT COMPUTE! PROCEED WITH VARIABLE REDEFINITION!
Lmao, calm down dude, I can almost see the smoke and sparks coming out of you right now

>You did not even understand the point it shows:
The only point it shows is your need to deflect the argument. Which is:
A) the left promotes welfare, democracy, publicly owned stuff
B) social democracy promotes welfare, democracy, publicly owned stuff
A+B) social democracy is part of the left
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>>714691
(cont.)
>That Wikipedia article is not a definition. It's just biased bullshit ignoring key facts.
Lmao, imagine rejecting a definition because it's ignoring alleged "key facts". You don't even know what a definition is.

>Contemporary it's centrist (at least in Europe).
Sorry, wrong again. It's left because all of its points are leftist points and absolutely none of it is right.

>if you want to think leftism is the same as social democracy
But I didn't. I said that social democracy is leftist, not the other way around. In other words, social democracy is a *subset* of leftism. I know basic set theory is hard to grasp for someone who gets their logic notions from /pol/'s infographs, but come on...
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>>714918
>Lmao, imagine rejecting a definition
but it's not a definition. wtf.

>A+B) social democracy is part of the left
Conceptually it is ancient and if contemporary primitive tribes are an indicator, stone age tribes had probably proto social democracy (voting in big decisions, sharing of resources, customs based 'law system', etc.)
the _name_ is historically a leftist societal phase to achieve socialism (e.g. Marx) and a leftist method to achieve socialism (e.g. Eduard Bernstein).
Practically the foundation of modern social democracy was implemented by a center-right pro monarchist (Bismarck).
Contemporary it can be left-leaning, center or "reactionary" (which is often used synonymously with far right in leftist ideology) depending on context.
Leftism is not the same as left-leaning and social democracy is not leftism.

>"not real social democrats", huh? I love how /pol/-tards hate socialists but also steal their arguments
You don't want to see the difference between "social democracy as a stepping stone towards socialism" and people who like the concept on its own.
Sry. Gonna end the discussion.

You need to accept that the world is more nuanced than you think it is.
If someone says "I like cyan", it's stupid to say "hurr durr in reality you are either a green lover or a crypto-blueist"
Life is not that simple. History is not that simple. Political theory is nuanced and complex. Like people.

You've been lied to and you've started to believe reductionist bullshit, which tries to compartmentalize an N-dimensional spectrum into a one-dimensional, binary choice.

Public schools have done you a disservice by educating you so poorly and now the only way out is to educate yourself about these topics.
Read opposing ideology and frameworks. Try to steel man their arguments and use principle of charity whenever you can, just so you get a more honest and truthful understanding about the particular ideological self-description and the frameworks they are using.
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pol and leftypol pls go and stay go
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Not all Muslims are Islamists.
Not all Christians are Inquisitors.
Not all right-leaning people are Nazis.
Not all left-leaning people are leftists.

Please, don't think that all left-leaning people are as insane as SJWs, antifa and socialists.
We're living in a capitalist system and we just don't want people to starve, if they break a leg.
Only the leftist weirdos argue for the destruction of society and for the reign of grievance studies.
They are giving us a bad name.
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>>715309
Then why aren't you moderate lefties stand up and put these crazies in their place? They give you a bad name because there is nobody on the left side that deserves a good name right now. Only the extremists are visible. Their "success" is your failure.
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>>713264
I don't care I just don't want to live next to niggers or sand niggers or fucking jews.
They look ugly they smell and I hate the way they talk and act.
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>>715343
I am literally too afraid to speak up.
If some 'cancel whiteness' mob controls my local chapter, do you think I want to risk my career and the well-being of my family?
Hell no. They will call my employer and try to get me fired for calling me a sexist, transphobe nazi or something.
My solution is to just not go there any longer and vote trump. Hopefully he'll win in 2020 and the Democrats will start removing the assholes from power.
Before someone accuses me of being a right-winger: Fuck you. I'd rather see the other side win than the fascist left succeed. Fuck you for destroying the party I was supporting all my life. Fuck you for turning universities into a shitshow. Fuck you for hunting down opposing views and getting them fired instead of listening to repeated, constructive, rational criticism.
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>>715490
You have to assess the danger to your life and act accordingly - if you can't stand up to them in person, then do it where you can be anonymous.
You could also use some more covert actions, pretend to be on their side, but sabotage them from the inside. Use their tactics against them - confuse, lie, gaslight, mislead, misdirect; whatever necessary.
My situation is different since I am untouchable, nobody can find my employer (because it's me) and there is no way a private person can find out my real name from my online persona's. I also AM sexist, transphobe and xenophobe against certain cultures and i love me some heated argument.
It really is satisfying to rip them apart and watch them loose their shit while being completely calm, in control and intellectual superior.
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>>715501
It's too much trouble to be worth it for me.
I was in it to improve the world. Not infighting, scheming and drama.
I don't even know if I could succeed if I tried. Some of the diverse crowd are super influential and they are true, to the bone, raised from childhood racists against whites.
You say nothing, they think you are passive aggressive, because of racism.
You say something against them, they think you are criticizing them because you are racist.
You say something against their argument, they think you are whitesplaining.
You show contradicting studies, they say the scientists must be racist.
You say some problem is not as bad as they portray it to be, because of programs and laws they don't have mentioned, they think you are racist for downplaying minority issues or something.
Fuck that.
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>>715507
you are stupid anon. If you can't share your opinion with your colleges/friends fucking leave.
You are in a cult, they deny reality chant the same shit don't accept decent, get out while you still can.
They could force castrate you tomorrow.
You might think this can never happen.
But remember they all drank the cool-aid. There are cults that suicide their members all the time, and you should know what types of people finance the cult you are in if they see fit they change the ideals and bad shit starts happening.
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>>715507
I am not saying you should risk your career or well being of your family by going into the lions nest. Just stand up to extremist bullshit in your life whenever you can. One little good deed here and there can do wonders - don't underestimate the butterfly effect.
You have to realize that if you do so you'll empower other people to follow your example - or you stay silent and do nothing, but then you should just shut up and stop complaining.

If you're not part of the solution, then you're a part of the problem.
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>>715309
>"guys calm down, let's not make hasty generalizations!"
>proceeds to lump socialists with SJWs and antifa
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>>715343
Then why aren't you moderate lefties stand up and put these crazies in their place?
There are countless leftists who do. They just don't get any visibility
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>>715549
It's the same mental illnesses.
narcissism, paranoia and haltlose, which all lead to mass hysteria.

All of them are just kids in men's bodies, who don't want to grow up, don't want to take responsibilities, then blame the world for their own faults and fight normal people.
All of them hate capitalism, want to "redistribute resources" and all of them hate freedom of thought and speech, because it might upset some hypothetical, hypersensitive person.
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>>715549
>lump socialists with SJWs and antifa
Stop being stupid and open your eyes you dolt.
Watch the Democratic Socialists congress for example
SJW, socialists and antifa are extremely strongly overlapping groups.
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>>715556
Psychology is made up bullshit.
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>>715582
>All of them hate capitalism
Wrong. Only socialists actually hate capitalism (and for good fucking reasons), SJWs and antifa secretly love it
>want to "redistribute resources"
Wrong. Only socialists want to redistribute resources (and for good fucking reasons), SJWs and antifa don't give a single shit about it
>all of them hate freedom of thought and speech, because it might upset some hypothetical, hypersensitive person.
Wrong. Only SJWs and antifa do.

>SJW, socialists and antifa are extremely strongly overlapping groups.
socialists: anti-racism; SJW/antifa: pro-racism
socialists: anti-corporations; SJW/antifa: pro-corporations
socialists: rationalism; SJW/antifa: sentimentalism
socialists: anti-islam; SJW/antifa: pro-islam
socialists: try to change the system; SJW/antifa: try to change human nature
socialists: anti-globalism; SJW/antifa: pro-globalism
etc.
what exactly is overlapping?
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>>715627
every single point you made was completely wrong.
Are socialists anti-racism? No. They include the progressive stack (racism against whites) and all their proposed intermediate targets will damage self-employed, small business and middle class (predominantly white), while favoring welfare (to help blacks and latinos).
Socialist and anti-corporations? No. They are for open borders, which benefits big corps by shifting labor to a buyer's market, undercutting labor cost and rights and increase rent. They were strongly for big-tech censorship (maybe it has changed as they are now censored too)
Rationalism? No. Marx's entire theory is based on assumption and has been disproved countless times. It might have been a nice model in the 19th century, but today we know it's complete bullshit.
Anti-islam? Hahahahaha. Are you nuts? Why do you think all the socialists group, from German SPD/Jusos over UK Labour to Progressive faction in the US Democrats are completely asskissing Islam?
Try to change the system? I prefer reforms over revolutions. Socialists always boot out reformist. From their very beginnings in Germany. (e.g. Rosa Luxemburg)
Socialists don't want to change human nature? They want to implement a system that goes against human nature and then use state power to oppress and kill everybody who does not comply.
Socialists anti-globalism? Wrong again. All the thought leaders and ecelebs seem to think that class-struggle is an internationalist movement. They want to get rid of nation states and think illegal migration is irrelevant, because workers are brothers despite of nationality. (which goes against the workers' own perception. Just ask workers what they think about illegals. You should ask the real workers, not champagne socialists or union parasites)

>what exactly is overlapping?
Everything. You are just ignoring reality to win an argument and lie to people, because socialists, in reality, are insufferable and indefensible.
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>>715627
>socialists actually hate capitalism
well that's odd considering westerner flavour of ""socialism"" was invented by capitalism specifically to avoid being reddened
it's like biting the hand that feeds you mate
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this is why I made this thread, keep em coming bois
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>>715627
omfg! Anon, you are stupid as fuck.
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I have a political stance. My political stance is pro-artist, pro-3D. That's it.
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>>715739
That doesn't sound like you are bending over backwards to give free stuff to lgbtq, people of color and islamists, you dirty far-right fascist nazi.
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>>715642
>progressive stack (racism against whites)
How?

>while favoring welfare (to help blacks and latinos).
Based on what logic does welfare only benefit blacks and latinos? And even so, how is that supposed to be racist?

>Socialist and anti-corporations? No.
Yes, since it's implied by the very definition of socialism. There is no such thing as a socialist that's not anti-corporation. It's a contradiction in terms.

>They are for open borders, which benefits big corps by shifting labor to a buyer's market, undercutting labor cost and rights and increase rent.
Really? Guess who was one of the first and most vehement opposers of globalism and open borders, and for the same exact reasons you expose... (I'll give you a hint: it starts with "M" and ends with "x")

>They were strongly for big-tech censorship
When? Maybe you're thinking about SJW and antifa

>Rationalism? No. Marx's entire theory is based on assumption and has been disproved countless times.
That's precisely why most socialists have moved away from Marx

>Why do you think all the socialists group, from German SPD/Jusos over UK Labour to Progressive faction in the US Democrats are completely asskissing Islam?
Could it be... because they are NOT socialist at all?

>They want to implement a system that goes against human nature
If it goes against human nature, why spend such a huge amount of effort to destroy it?

>and then use state power to oppress and kill everybody who does not comply.
Meanwhile in reality state power has been used countless times to oppress and kill socialists.

>I prefer reforms over revolutions.
Curious, considerig how all the """(((socialist)))""" groups you mentioned before are 100% reformist

>All the thought leaders and ecelebs
And I should give a shit about them because...?
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>>715952
>Guess who was one of the first and most vehement opposers of globalism and open borders, and for the same exact reasons you expose... (I'll give you a hint: it starts with "M" and ends with "x")
>why most socialists have moved away from Marx
kek.
I bet you don't even understand your own level of idiocy.

About the rest:
Everything else is just wrong and most of it was already discussed in this very thread.
But I take the bait. Name one or two points of yours and I explain to you in detail why you are a wrong and just a brainwashed, useful idiot.
Choose whatever you deem the strongest, so you can't accuse me of cherrypicking and deconstructing your 'weakest' assumptions.
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>>715955
>Everything else is just wrong
should have been: Everything else is equally and completely wrong
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>>715955
Explain how socialism is pro-corporation. Explain how, despite pushing for nationalization of popular sectors and unions, socialism is working for the benefit of corporations.
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>>716109
it creates infighting between the working class. Believe it or not, but not all workers want "gib me free stuff" and "state controls everything", which leads to a constant battle between left-leaning and leftist workers, which reduces the chance of beneficial changes, because one part of the workers want concrete law changes, but gets associated with pie in the sky extremism and can't create leverage, because they get out-lefted by socialists.

The infighting and struggle for control over unions leads to an ideological purity test and infighting. Socialists tend to help other socialists into power, while removing non-socialists. This turns unions into a collection of nepotists and grifters instead of "the most competent for the job", which in turn reduces the unions' effectiveness.

This is increased by ideological bs like "socialist feminism" and "critical race theory", which many socialist parties push. This creates antagonism and hatred against men and whites, while creating a hierarchy of privilege. Suddenly you can't voice your concerns, because of the progressive stack and are repeatedly pushed to check your privilege (="feel guilty, because you were born wrong"). This turns white and men against "workers solidarity", because blacks and/or women show overt hatred towards the so-called equals.
Good job creating more division in society, socialists, the elites must really hate the constant race and gender war among the proletariat...

"Worker solidarity across nations"
Socialists got public figures like Jimmy Dore, who repeatedly advocates for open borders and is super cool with illegal migration. He believes that all workers really LOOOOOVEEE competition, who can out-compete them by working for less money with less rights, job security and so on. To Dore it's clear: People are just evil racist, when they oppose a constant flood on the job market.
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>>716109
cont.
Socialist don't care how open borders is bad for domestic workers. This doesn't lead to "worker solidarity" it just leads to less job security, which makes workers hostile towards each other. ("If he gets fired, I won't")
The constant change of workers prohibits the formation of social bonds and friendship. Which not only reduces workers' effectiveness to fight for their rights, it reduces their life quality.

Illegals and legal migrants increase rent. To pay for the increased rent workers now have to work more, which increases labor supply, which reduces labor cost. The increased amount of work just to stay on the same level is obviously bad for the life quality of workers.
It's obviously great for corporations and landlords. Great, socialists. Really great!

Socialists push for the open borders because of the "internationalism" they've written on their flags for 150 years. Cause "proletariat of the world unite"!!!
We live in a different world now. During Marx time you did not have that global trade via freight ships. Instant communication via internet and logistics done via computers.
See pic: We don't only have a thousand times more usable cargo space per ship. We have a thousand times more of those ships compared to Marx' times. And these ships are cheaper, faster, safer.

Moving cargo, resources, products and industry some place else is really, really, really cheap and easy.

So how does a domestic work force protect oneself against globalist competition and exploitative slave wages? Tariffs.
Sadly socialists fight every kind of nationalism and sovereignty with tooth and nail.
Workers don't want to compete against 5cent/hour wages in China and India, but socialists shame them and declare them as trumpist, nazi, fascist scum, when workers support tariffs.
In this regard too: Socialists are the best ally for the elite and global corporations.
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>>716109
Socialists' hostility towards business owners creates a VERY hostile environment and damages small/mid size business, because they don't have the hierarchical levels of management and are hurt very easily by "socialist action".

In a big corporation you can try your strikes and socialist bullshit, but they have the funds and the size to just wait it out. They have the human resource departments and the lawyers to deal with this.
Guess who doesn't?
That small business owner, who gets his business destroyed, because margins are low and when his employees strike, the costs won't wait. And when he has to close his restaurant because socialists had some gripe-of-the-day, there will be some corporate franchise a few weeks later.
Nice socialists, helping big business yet again.

Socialists don't see the business owner as part of the group. They agitate against him. They smear him. They hate him.
This creates such a hostile atmosphere which eliminates the chance of "having a talk".
"Owners" are people too, they have empathy, they want to have a nice life, friends, nice coworkers.
Can't have that when you got a bunch of socialist-sjw union snowflakes, which are passive aggressive and bureaucratic as much as they can and would put "the evil capitalist pig" against the wall and steal everything from him, if they had the chance.

Yet again big business has the infrastructure to deal with this socialist nonsense. Small business suffer. Normal workers suffer.
Just because some militant lesbian of color had a bad day and runs around toxicifying other workers, creating bullshit lawsuits, because of some random reason or just because she had a bad day.

Unions and socialists don't help workers. They create a 19th century class struggle and class hate in a hyper competitive economy, which requires people to corporate.
Unions are bureaucratic, rent-seeking, self-serving parasites and they will even play worker-groups against each other just to keep their power.
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>>716109
This requirement for corporation eliminates every chance of cooperation in the eyes of socialists.

Just because the "owner" does not want to lose absolutely everything he is regarded as a capitalist pig and socialist will declare him an enemy. They call it just and ethical to hate, fight, kill and rob him.

Obviously owners will prefer to stay away from social events, because socialists are willing and ready to MeToo and sue them.
Not gonna lie, if I was a owner, I too, would never make friends with my employees, if they had been influenced by socialists and turned socialist themselves.
I'd try to fire them as soon as I can.

Noel Ignatiev, that Jewish communist, who pushed for the anti-white sentiment was criticizing exactly that:
White workers were getting along with their white bosses. They solved problems on friendly terms.
Can't have that. The world must only consist of class hate and infighting according to leftists.
Instead of trying to broaden the friendships to include non-whites (and racism was getting weaker at the time), he advocated for more race hate, race envy and more class struggle.
If I was one of the owners at that time I too would have distanced myself from the hateful, smug socialist workers as much as I can.
I would just say "fuck that" and try to move production overseas, fire everybody and move to some gated community to stop seeing the fucking socialists, who I had given jobs and opportunities, but got only hate and disdain in return.
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>>716134
Every single thing you said is right. Except for 1 little detail: not a single thing you said is "socialism". There is a huge shitload of socialist people, parties, sites, organizations, etc. who complain about the same exact things you do (in fact, socialists were the first ones to do; right-wingers only copied them in the hope to gain the credibility they lost).
The funny thing is you'll actually find more people complaining against this shit among outspoken socialists (or even hardcore communists) rather then your average "left-leaning/center-left/moderate leftist" who instead always blindly gobble all that shit up.
This is so true that mainstream media even coined the term "red-brown" in order to slander the first (i.e.: the *actual* socialists)
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>>716188
I'm basing my view on my experience with the Jusos (socialist youth part of the SPD in Germany), the Democratic Socialists of America, various socialist thinkers on the net and my experience with unions, which were infested with socialists.

I'm sure there are people who are oldschool socialists and don't push SJW politics, but maybe you guys should organize instead of complaining that the real, existing groups don't represent your personal interpretation of socialism.

Regarding "red-brown". The culturally conservative factions (e.g. Blue Labour) are despised and attacked by the other socialists.

So yeah, based on reality I'm right and your idea that "socialism is not the things you are complaining about" is just fringe thought.
Deal with it.
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>>716188
>real socialists are not real socialists
stop being a meme, Anon.
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>>716269
>not real socialists are socialists
you first
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>>716271
so what about
>>716190
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>>712834
cope
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>>713142
isn't vaush the guy who said owning child pornography is no more immoral than buying a computer?

Is that really where you get your moral compass regarding how to treat le 'evil fascists'?
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>>713142
>>713184
1.4% of total americans owned slaves
native americans owned african slaves at a higher rate than whites
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>>716109
There is no such thing as a 'socialist' anymore.

every major socialist organization is supported by NGO's run by billionaires meant to direct their anger toward non-issues like tranny bathrooms and antiracism
modern unions are a joke which equally spiral into pointless identity politics
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>>712125
This is 100% false since every e-celeb used an Adobe program at some point
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>>716507
That pathetic dude ran away with "nOt rEaL soCiaLisM" anyway.
You can't convince people, who want to live in denial.
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>>712266
lmao
>Just because corporations agree with, enable, and amplify X political issue doesn't mean they're on the same page ideologically!

Trannyshit positivity is literally just neoliberal garbage.
It wasn't fashionable until it was amplified by the people in power, which ended up normalizing and creating more trannies
left wing politics are enabled by right wing economics
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>>717920
Right wing economics would create more media that is trying to appeal to the masses.
Instead we have politically motivated movies, games and news that are happy to insult their audience, hate on whites and push fringe "identities".
Profit is sacrificed just to advance leftist ideology. That's not right wing economics.
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>>717922
>Right wing economics would create more media that is trying to appeal to the masses.
How does this work?
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>>717930
Right wing: High demand for X -> high prices for X -> high production of X -> high supply of X -> prices lower for X
Left wing: High demand for X, but some armchair philosopher thinks that X is reactionary, patriarchic, fascist oppression -> Y gets produced -> few people buy it -> claim all people are racist, sexist nazis, when they don't buy it -> lose credibility -> create a 'movement' and take tax payer money to fund 'research' to validate the existence of Y -> produce more Y -> nobody buys it -> force Y propaganda in schools and university, call everybody an asshole, whip celebrities to promote Y, call X anti-semitic and problematic -> nobody buys Y -> have a hissy fit -> cry on the street and do some post modernist art exhibition featuring menstrual blood and cocks -> nobody buys Y -> call them assholes again -> feel morally superior -> declare that you've 'won the argument'
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>>712560
Its easy bro, just read a little more. Vidya should've woke you up by now
>Enjoy 3D since growing up with it
>go to school for it
>everyone's in a hugbox of Liberal opinions and atheism
>I disagree with everything they agree with
>still like 3D
>eventually get woke on the JQ
>start noticing the noses in power and influence
>still like 3D
>learn how central banking controls everything via debt based banking scheme
>learn Hitler was the 1st to remove it, which started WW2
>learn Ghaddaffi also removed it, and got Hillary'd
>learn all countries in the world that are our "enemies" are free from central banks that we're slaves to
>still like 3D

It's not hard anon. Just because we're all royally screwed until we Yellow Vest protest the Federal Reserve or Wall Street, doesn't mean you can't be into 3D.

Also this is all bipartisan issues; both Capatilsm AND communism are perversions of their origins: Republic and Socialism.
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>>713465
This is probably the most accurate pic of what's going on, on this whole site:
>Jewish perversion (communist tactics of killing a country
>Weimar Republic
>Trump on the enemy team (bows to Bibi, has always been part of the establishment
All in all, we're all royally screwed until revolution or yellow vest protests start happening (an actual French style revolution)
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>>717944
so basically, you call fairy tale business practice "right wing" and practice widely used by real world businesses "left wing"
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>>713307
What you just described is everything written in both the Protocols of Zion AND Toronto Protocols (an abridged version for modern day).

Basically, trick people by promising freedom, but never deliver. Break down Judeo Christian values, do this by destroying the family. Make everyone's life hard, which will cause revolution against the government but NOT the invisible hand (them), so the invisible hand looks like the hero when he establishes a new order, but this new order is the Soviet Union under Lenin and Trotsky (ie Feudalism).

Anyone who wants (((freedom and democracy))) has no idea what evil is pulling the strings
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The triggering on this board is delicious
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>>717955
No. I basically explained why a demand oriented approach will lower prices due to expansion of supply, while a social engineering approach will result in "get woke, go broke".

Not sure how you can misunderstand it so completely.
There might be something wrong with your brain.
A tumor perhaps or a few years of leftist indoctrination.
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>>712560
>how can you be into /3/ and be right-wing at the same time?
I like 3D stuff and I'm white, male and not gay.
The left is all about #CancelWhites, #KillAllMen, #DragQueenStoryHour and #ReplacementMigrationNow.
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>>713078
ROFL
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>>712289
cringe
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>>718186
Cry harder
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>>717968
this
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>>712201
dcc tools but only for the white man
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>>712125
Blender is love
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>>712289
based
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>>713289
Medicare for all isn't "free healthcare," instead of paying insurance companies to be put in a risk pool that pays out medical costs, we have a national health spending risk pool everyone contributes to that can negotiate costs down
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>>718485
look at the pic. Activists advertise it as "free healthcare".
It's just the typical leftist "I deserve everything for free, cause I exist, so let's steal from the productive people to fund it. And if they resist, we will use the state to imprison or kill them."
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>>712125
I don't get how any white people or men can be left these days. Wtf is wrong with you? Stop being self-loathing idiots.
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>>720668
pep. I don't want to work, just want to live comfy NEET lifestyle and spend my time making CG waifus.
socialism accomplishes these girls (UBI too)
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>>720718

This has never happened in the history of the world. Any socialist country devolved into a dictatorship with enforced slavery to keep it going.
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>>712125
Blender is much more to the left.
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>>720668
>not being content with just chewing the crumbles falling off your master's dining table means being self-loathing idiots
This is your brain on /pol/

>Any socialist country devolved into a dictatorship with enforced slavery to keep it going.
Yeah, I sure remember those dreadful scandinavian dictatorships with their enforced slavery.
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>>712289
based
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>>720737
Scandinavia isn't socialist, you muppet. How many times do you have to get corrected until you stop spreading this bullshit?

If you want to become more like Scandinavia, stop advocating socialism, but before you do that look up how their economy works and if there is a chance to repeat it in the US (you can't)
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>>712125
is Paint 3D any good?
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>>720737
>>Any socialist country devolved into a dictatorship
>Yeah, I sure remember those dreadful scandinavian dictatorships
Stop sniffing glue, you imbecile.
Scandinavian countries are not socialist.
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>>712201
downloading blender as i type this.
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>>712289
lole
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>>713077
>Wrong.
>Wrong.
>You know you're wrong,
>You're wrong.
>anything Musk came up with because he's a hack with no realistic ideas
>>713113
>You're either delusional or have very poor reading comprehension.
Lol at this in particular
>>713184
>Do you know the "proud to be white" boys? Kinda cringy, aren't they?
>You didn't show me any
>They don't exist. Not to the degree or comparison you're trying to paint as.
>>713185
>I feel like this discussion was basically you trollishly spamming "left wing bad" and me trying to put some reality to it.
>>713185
>Are you aware there's a left wing version of libertarianism?
>At the end of the day I still very much believe you are actively looking for something to be angry about.
>You see personal attacks where there aren't any.
>You see white hate where it doesn't exist.
>And I still don't know why.
>>713212
>We've been thorugh this before, kid. You're wrong. just google a fucking curriculum.
>this doesn't happen
>they don't. I've never seen anyone say this. And neither did you.
>you're delusional and dishonest.
>The right is also known not only for being the violent one, but also the anti-intellectual one.
>From climate, to drugs, sexuality, religion.
>you just went full Ben Shapiro. ignored.
>That's literally wrong.
This shows you lied to me when you said you knew more about leftists ideology than I do.
I've never seen someone juggle being blind, deaf, ignorant, pretentious AND a massive fucking faggot this well. Have some gold, kind stranger.
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>>712125
>Solidworks and Rhino 3D missing from the chart
i knew this was a low IQ website but seriously?
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>>720918
>>721307
Funny, I thought "not real socialism" wasn't supposed to be a valid argument; why are you readjusting your rules now?
>Scandinavian countries are not socialist.
They're not *ENTIRELY* socialist, but they're still among the MOST socialist in the world.
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>>712125
Why the fuck is GIMP on the bottom left while blender is not???? They both are GPL!
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>>712125
Paint 3d army must assemble
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>there are people here who unironically want communism cancer because they hate capitalism
see: China
>average citizens are eating wild animals, living in shitty buildings, elevators constantly malfunction and kill them; government keeps a schizo tier eye on them, will reeee if they make Winnie=Xinnie joke
>citizens morale does not exist, will run over each other's babies because there's no law to punish them
>constantly ""borrowing"" foreigners products, most notably importing baby products from Aussie land (because they can't make their own good products lel)
>eventually steal some virus from a fucking Leaf, bring it back on their shittyly built labs to make bioweapon
>karma slaps their ass hard because their garbage products can't contain virus and it spreads on the reandom wild animals they eat

Also remember the "point of personal privilege!" meme everyone was laughing at; they aren't good at handling the costs of the event; along with other historically documented shit, communism is some shit only a child, who is too immature and incapable to see no long-term consequences, would approve of. They can't handle their resources and just wastes them.
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>>712289
Um based



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