I am talentless
Talent does not exist, people are not born with a natural affinity for 3D artistry. People who work hard, received support, and practice become better than those who don't. Other skills learnt through life; also not inherently gifted, may give beginners an edge if they can be transferred, but this does not qualify as talent. Git gud.
>>665412knowing is half the battle
>>665412Industryfag hereI knew that feel. I'm telling you this now, for a period of months I was constantly ghosted and rejected for every job application I sent in.Then I got gud. Not even memeing, it took a lot of effort and time, but it worked.
Neither am I and I make $60k a year doing this shit lol.
>>665417>>667988Bullshit. You sound like the wackos telling us that everyone is born equal in ability and talent. No man is born equal and not everyone can excel at any arbitrary task. You can teach people to press buttons and to follow procedures, that doesn't make you an artist. Monkey see, monkey do...and then your jobs end up being done by Pajeet and Zerglings on the other side of the globe because they press buttons for less than you do.
>>665412USE BITCHES MOTHERFUCKER!!
>>667992That would mean nothing more than this: if you are destined to be worthless fag, than it's completely OK and you deserve whatever comes at you. And we'll just bring around some pop-corn and be watching you going down. Cheers.
>>665417Sure, Picasso wasn't born with an affinity for visual thinking, he just got gud by practicing like a maniac since he left the womb.
>>668010>Picasso20k paintings (and it's just those finished and published, not counting sketches and shit) aren't enough practice?
>>668010lol the art market never had anything to do with actual talent (at least not in modern times)its just about which overrated washout gets the highest prices
>>668012Behold the true talentless Pajeet who cannot sleep at night knowing that not everybody works for bowl of soup per week.
>>665412sucks for you. Glad i don't have that problem, i'm going places
>>665412DAZ is for you then
>>668036This. Every talent-less hack with SFM or DAZ rakes in those sweet Patreon shekels while I work for peanuts. I'm just not desperate enough for e-begging.
>>665417This is true>>667992This is not
>>665417Creativity is something you either have or have not. Talent is a stupid word for using ones creativity. Fact is that not everybody is creative. If you are not creative you can work hard until your hand falls off, you'll never get to the level of a true creative person (which is also working hard).A creative person who doesn't work hard, doesn't get far and a lesser creative person can outdo an more creative person by working harder. But only to an certain extend.
>>668087Go fuck yourself you untalented hack.
>>668010Picasso's father was an art school teacher, he taught him everything since an early age. Picasso must have spent so much time drawing that you would blush if you compared whatever time you have used to accomplish anything in your life
>>668010but picasso was extremely talented since he was a child.a better example is michael angelo because he was trained in a workshop by a teacher as a teenager
>>668129Sure. But try giving the same training to an ordinary child. Chances are you won't get very far until she becomes way older and her visual abilities mature.This is easy to see in any family with three or more children. Their upbringing is similar, yet they may show diverging aptitudes, usually from an early age. When those aptitudes are salient enough, we talk of talent.I'm not saying talent is 100% biological, but I do believe biology is the major component by far.
>>665417>Talent does not exist, people are not born with a natural affinity for 3D artistry.delusional
>>668181do you think people are also born better at flying jets then others? what about typing on a keyboard or fucking cooking food. the only difference from you and somonelses is biology, and surface level at that. picasso had help from a young age, he was probably also more motivated about doing it then his siblings and therefore tried harder, practised longer. that is there people people know is name
>>668190there are some super autists though that are unbelivable at painting or composing without ever having any education whatsoever. The blank slate theory has long been debunked, its just leftie idelogical equality bullshit
>>668190Nobody is born knowing how to fly jets, but it's damn well true that there are people who have better spatial awareness and visual acuity than most, and can excel at that particular skill above everybody else.
Fuck me, some people really believe some of the shit in this thread, do they?
I've seen enough examples of "talentless" people diligently working on themselves and finally excelling at tasks they chosen to understand that talent is not a god's gift or other mythic nonsense, it's (most probably) just a random arrangement of connections in your brain that happened to be more efficient at some tasks than other people's random arrangementsAnd it can be changed, with great effort and discipline admittedly, but it is possible
>>668202Yep, anybody can be on Einstein's level if they practice hard enough.
>>668202Like i said earlier, creativity is an personality trait and its measure-able. If you are not creative, hard work will not make up for it. These people who you perceived as talent-less, where actually creative, they might not have known it, but they where. It's not mystical but driven by genes and therefore biologically determined.
>>668208That example is hard to compare considering most high school students now Einstein's theories. If it's about Einstein's IQ there are plenty of people nowadays with his IQ or higher
>>668208plain stupid or trolling
>>668211>it's not mystical but driven by genes and therefore biologically determined.This kills the contemporary Liberal
>>665412same, hoping to end it all soon>>665417load of shite
>>668212It's about Einstein having a natural talent for spatial thinking, and also for theoretical physics/mathematics understanding and creativity.
>>668211modern magical thinking at it's finest>It's not mystical but driven by God's Will and therefore determined.replace "God's Will" with "genes", "insert new hot shit current theory I learned from popsci preacher clown yesterday", modern humans have a habit of warping science into some form of religion, explaining everything in the process, treating it like ultimate truth.but the only as solid as cause and effect fact we currently have on our hands is those who don't even try are destined to fail, rest are nothing but theories.
>>668226Matey, if you can't tell who's the dumb one in the room, I have bad news for you.
>>668226You really are retarded, and as such a proof of the concept. If there are dumb people and smart people, ugly and beautiful people, tall and small people, why can't you accept that there are creative people and non-creative people.
>>668226Except that "God's will" is just words, while "genes" is but the tip of a scientific iceberg, which is helping you stay alive in a world which otherwise would have already culled your retarded ass.
>>668008we are all equal
>>668241Luckily we're not.
>>668231>>668232>>668236writing pointless nonsense which is supposed to insult me or my mental capabilities is not really productive if you wish to support your point of view, at best it just reinforces what I just said, your responses would fit zealots of some kind of religion when their tenets are laughed at much more than intelligent and enlightened humans you consider yourselves... what an interesting coincidenceI also noticed that you seem to love insulting intelligence of your partners in conversation, implying that you are of course intelligent which is apparently governed by how many popsci you read>why can't you accept because its not an axiom or holy doctrine to be accepted without questions first...also because you didn't bother to provide a definition of creativity yet alone what governs it inside your body, along with convincing evidence of course
>>668242Like with IQ, creativity is somthing you are born with, and they can measure it from birth.watch from 22:10 to 25:28High visual spatial skills= high creativityhttps://youtu.be/tiJVJ5QRRUE?t=1341
>>668244>much more than intelligent and enlightened humans you consider yourselvesSo you admit not all humans are born with the same natural abilities, then?
How come progressives and left-leaning folks are so fast to jump on the "science" train for everything...until that very moment it comes to topics like race, genetic predisposition, intelligence etc?Then science suddenly turns into some sort of oppressive evil that has to be shouted down or even suppressed at all cost. I'm a centrist, but this attitude feels downright dishonest and devious to me.
>>668261i believe genetics are a big factor but if you look at geniuses across history their parents nor children had a huge impact on their lives far as work ethic or vision. me and my parents are extremely different in almost every area
>>668261Because we have a long history as a species to legitimize atrocities towards groups of people we may gain advantages by suppressing.A certain civilization in Europe managed to convince large portions of it's population to commit industrialized mass murder in recent history.Basically the pale face members of our species that like to dress in pointy hats and such is not yet mature enoughto handle the information that africans have bigger muscles and larger genitals.The left got together on the 21st annual Socialist World Forum and decided that as long as peen envy and body shamingis part of our culture we must tip-toe around the various facts in the genetic data to stave of genocidal race wars and segregation.In the not too distant future where we've patched the scattering of the species from the last ice age by crossbreeding to a cream goldish brown hue we will all have equal peen and mental function and this whole race BS will simply be a non-issue.In the meantime none of this is of any relevance to /3/.
>>668298I would rather see the world burn in nuclear fire.
>>668300Yeah we can tell, that's why the prevalence of gun owners in MAGA hats is so disturbing to many of us. But you see in the face of nuclear annihilation we're all dead and to true socialist this too is 'equality of outcome'. So by all means drop the B's, we win either way.
>>668306You will be the first to be lined against the wall. They did that in my country with all the eager communists and socialists. The Jewish elites had the last laugh in all this, ruling like kings from their ivory towers.
>>668338Oh you killed all your socialists? I'm sorry anon.In my country we kept them and they made the aristocrats peacefully surrender power into the hands of the people, established workers rights, financed free healthcareand implemented working social security nets. When the fascists came we turned them a blind eye and kept selling them steel to make weapons to keep exterminating the jews guilt-free.Came out intact out of WW2 gave the masses higher education and proceeded to export cheap furniture in flat packages and feminist ideology :3To this day we're liked across the globe like a race of friendly gnomes with excellent reputation, high morals and a conscience.All this while making bank selling advanced weapons and surveillance systems to dictatorships while being more 'aryan' than Der Führer himself.We also take good care of immigrants and pretend to celebrate the cultural diversity, secretly because we have noreal culture of our own that we even care about so we shamelessly appropriate it from others while being loved for it eating kebab ontop of pizza :3
>>668344lol, that actually from the movie? Fucking grass roof on skyscrapers, looks more like what actual racists would imagine a futuristic African civilization to look like.Like cyber-eskimos would live in huge domes of ice lmao
>>665412look at artstationmost of the top people don't have talentluckily plebs mistake skill for talentthey mistake detail for beauty and mistake cliches for designwe work in an industry of frauds and hacks
>>668348Its like this on zbrush central. The enitre top row is filled with work by chinks, that do copies of art pieces that already exist. I dont get it
>>668349>I dont get itIt's simple. It sells so it gets you a job.However I guarantee that no one like that will be the visual lead on a visionary project like Alien or BladerunnerWe're going to keep seeing more soulless drivel like Jupiter Ascending and Anthem because that's what most people will happily pay for and then forget about to fill the time from cradle to grave
>>668349Face it, we Asians are better/cheaper/faster than you.t. American Asian
>>668354You are an insect hive race that leeches of white men and white creation. They need white people to achieve and create, then Chinks copy and paste.
>>668356No, I'm American, not Chinese or something. If you want to stay on top then work harder or smarter.
>>668358You are a non-white in a white majority country, built by whites. I dont become a 'white Chinese' person if i miraclousy became a citizen in china.
>>668354>American Asiancongrats on being hated by every single person in Asia regardless of nationality or ethnicity
>people still severely underestimating the effects environmental factors have on developmentplease educate yourselves
>>668363>>668365Look at these envious fools, just because we do better than you.
>>668241Well, chinese and japanese people i've met are really retarded in many aspects, like politics (holy fucks are those fuckers dense in that aspect) or aesthetics (just look at most anime, its dialogues, plots and characters are the most stupid in media all over the world). So, I wouldn't be so worrying about mixing races. Besides, most of the middle east and africa are literally starving, so there's that.
>>668356Lol, China was in the big engineering/architecture game centuries earlier than the West. At some point, Europe was to China then as Africa is to America today.t. Honest European
>>665412Everyone has the ability to do great stuff, you only need to stay on the road long enough to see any considerable results and that may take from 1 month to 3 or 4 years of practice.
>>665417I don't know how you did it, but your comment makes me want to beat you to death with a 20in dildo.
>>670789Not to mention that the Chinese where already cultivating weed 10000 years ago.
>>670835I see I've hit a nerve
>>668192What if I told you education was the aggregation of experience (experience which, when aggregated provides a body of well-practiced practitioners in a field the ability to compose theory about workflow and style) that is merely handed to pupils in a manner and method that has been decided by other people who just decided to do it? If the tools were so fucking cryptic, people wouldn't even be able to use it in the first place let alone teach it as independent exposure leads to, while similar, unique instances that need nothing more than the natural inquisitive and inductive nature of human thought. Fuck you, talent doesn't exist, but curiousity does. If you don't give a fuck about something when you're young you won't be able to get good at it later when the heuristics you've created for yourself in day-to-day life lead you to have trouble with picking up new things. Also, fuck your gay Reddit spacing.
>>670933Good post desu.My argument against talent has always been perspective. As a kid, I constantly heard from nearly every adult in my life that I was a "computer genius." That I had all this talent because I could type more than one word a minute and actually navigate through folders without getting lost. The truth was that I wasn't talented at all, I was just bored kid having fun playing around on the computer. I naturally picked up how to use it properly by dicking around with it, while everyone else thought of it as this tool they needed to study and master before they could do anything with it. They would use it to just check their email but were baffled that I could download music and modify programs as if it were sorcery. They didn't have the curiosity to just explore the damn thing and were bizarrely fatigued to even use it. I tried to show them how to surf the web outside yahoo.com but they just could not leave their comfort zone. They can work the hell out of smartphones now, but it took them 20 years to break down the stigma that tech was a millennial thing. Anyway I guess my point is that you should remember to have fun exploring the wonderful possibilities you have and stop trying to frustrate yourself by overthinking. Fun gets it done.
>>670942The reddit spacing comment was directed at >>668154
>>670944The heck is Reddit spacing? That post divides into paragraphs as is usually suggested, that is, by point/premise/idea/etc.
>>670945idk man it's just something I say to make people feel bad because I'm anonymous on here and I've always taken to being a bully when using my burmese herpetological care forum.
>>670945reddit spacing is separating paragraphs with a second enter button, see:not like this.like this.
>>665412Me neither, but here we are. It's not like I can switch careers.
>>670969That is one of the accepted ways to separate paragraphs in English, not some Reddit innovation. Using a single return without indent is wrong according to contemporary typographical practice.
>>670767Politics are a cultural problem there, not for a lack of understanding. People know the problems, they just don't engage.Anime is considered one of the top attractive anesthetics in art right now and is on a popularity bull run globally. Meanwhile western productions fetishize hambeasts and brown-and-darker mutts which no one likes but it's nice to virtue signal over anyways.Dialogues and plot are highly dependant on material. Eva changed animation as a medium for adults and many of the """ brain wrecker""" cult hits of the west were stolen from Japanese animes. Sometimes entire sequences.Africa and the Middle East are not starving. Or rather, some Africans are, but retarded UN sends them money and food so they can stay retarded and still breed like rabbits. Same with Middle East, which has an infant birth rate several times over the European one. You sound really ignorant.
>>671280>Anime is considered one of the top attractive anesthetics in art right nowDamn right it is. And I seriously hope you didn't just make a typo there.
>>671280>Politics are a cultural problem there, not for a lack of understanding. People know the problems, they just don't engage.Source: Anon's anus.Meanwhile, all worthy philosophers came from the west.>Anime is considered one of the top attractive anesthetics in art right now and is on a popularity bull run globally. Meanwhile western productions fetishize hambeasts and brown-and-darker mutts which no one likes but it's nice to virtue signal over anyways.>Dialogues and plot are highly dependant on material. Eva changed animation as a medium for adults and many of the """ brain wrecker""" cult hits of the west were stolen from Japanese animes. Sometimes entire sequences.I know this, I love anime as a medium, moreso manga though. The thing is adults engage in shitty manga all the time, mindnumbingly shitty manga like idk, mirai nikki, for example.Shit full of plotholes, disgusting dialogue and shit aesthetics. I'm just saying that reaching those lows in writing goes really far in showing how stupid the average nip is. The west might have shit shows, but none with as shitty dialogue and as big plotholes as most anime.Of course you have really interesting shit like eva, yuasa's works, berserk, made in abyss recently, but most of their production makes them seem really stupid, which they are in a lot of senses.What I mean is, IQ doesn't really show intelligence in a broad enough sense. It doesn't account for creative thinking and other capabilities and sensibilities like a sense of aesthetics or even your capabilities at understanding complex works of art.>Africa and the Middle East are not starving. Or rather, some Africans are, but retarded UN sends them money and food so they can stay retarded and still breed like rabbits. Same with Middle East, which has an infant birth rate several times over the European one. Doesn't change a thing, their education is shit and their lives are miserable.
>>665422Hello future meSpent the past few months getting ghosted/rejected after getting a decent digital arts degree aswell and it heavily affected my ego. Ill try to animate/rig instead of gaming from now on and I hope that I can push through it, inspirational words are welcomed
>>673772you can do it
>>665417Based and redpilled.Git gut OP
>>665412>Talent does not existthis
>>665417Bull shit. My 3D genes will manifest in my children, just as they manifested in me.
>>665412dont worry. 3d modeling isn’t a useful skill ;)
>>668298>people knowing the truth about differences between races naturally leads to race warsBig thinky>we have to genetically retard exceptional peoples because reasonsYeah, nah. Your so-called "socialism" is just monopolist capitalism that wants a retarded slave race to lord over.
>>668341>Oh you killed all your socialists? I'm sorry anon.Do you know nothing of history? The revolutionaries, aka useful idiots, that put the socialists in power are the first to get purged so they can't threaten the new regime.>Came out intact out of WW2 gave the masses higher education and proceeded to export cheap furniture in flat packages and feminist ideology :3A Swede, I take it? Your country turned out well because of the abilities and character of its people. Today, now that you import hostile and backwards foriegners, violence is rising, and once they take power because of fertility rates, your precious equality and feminism will go out the window in favor of shariah.
.....the fuck is going on this thread?
>>677291Just your usual thread-killing faggotry.
>>667992You don't sound like somebody artistically talented or even mentally stable>pajeets>zerg>pressing buttons = creating artyikes!
>>668087Do they enjoy it though?
>>668100Creativity is meaningless without hard work. Everyone can get a cool idea, but if you can't bring it to live (because of a lack of skill) then it doesn't matter.
>>668341Ahaha take a look at this cuck. What a joke
Stop posting this dude get a fuckin talent lazy vagina it takes time
>>665417moronic inspirational bla blaart takes much more than just being able to use the tools. anyone can hold a hammer and chisel but only few can make art with it. unless ofc you are one of those modern "artists" which make vomit and then dare to call it art
>>665412OP you don't need talent. You think that everything you do looks bad because you don't have any talent. Don't use talent as an excuse, by working hard enough you will become better at what you do, nobody is born with a mastership for 3D stuff. Don't give up and keep learning, you won't be making godtier art yet but you should always aim to improve, no matter how bad it looks.
>>668298You think us looking the same would stop us from committing atrocities against each other? Oh you delusional fool, you haven't even spent any time at all thinking on this issue, and instead have picked it up from the regurgitation of some other idiot. Not /3/ related so I'll end my part here.
>>680273Pffft, said race would stop being an issue. Ofc we'd still be murdering one another over religion, ideology, resources etc.But nice strawman, you must feel really empowered having knocked that one down with such a quick mental jab at me.
>>665412same. I'll never make it to AAA industry