Hi /3/. I want to get higher education and need your help. What would be a good major to get if I want to make stuff in 3d for a living, mostly environments and fantasy characters. I know most of the jobs in this field are obtained through skilled portfolios rather than papers but I dont want to be the only person in my family without one, and I want to get one that is useful or at least complementary for those plans. Formal education thread?
computer science and mathematics never hurts
>>654749>I know most of the jobs in this field are obtained through skilled portfolios rather than papers but I dont want to be the only person in my family without one, and I want to get one that is useful or at least complementary for those plans. Formal education thread?No all of the jobs are obtained by portfolio. ALL OF THEM. If you want a degree get one in a useful field of study that has proven results.3D animation degrees are almost as bad as gender studies degrees.
>>654760>>654755>>654752Hmm, maybe I should look further at tech degrees. I still want 3d and illustration to be my main thing but I don't want to waste 3 years of my life in an art career if it will only be a meaningless degree. Thanks /3/
>>654840Uppsala University, Sweden, offers degrees and courses in ZBrush or general computer graphics... And its free!
>>654760>3D animationI have the unfortunate status of owning a 2 year 3d animation certificate. I'm in my 30s now and unemployed. Everyday is suffering for my family. Now I am going to have to get a job in sales or something because my mom and pop are getting really old and have no money.
>>654749I majored in Computing and Digital Media (UK). I studied the core concepts of CSAlgorithms, Discrete Maths, Data Structures, Programming, NLPBut that was only half of my degree, I then had the Digital Media part which involved, 3D Modelling, 3D animation, VFX, Games ProductionSo I possess the core skills of a CS student minus the likes of Compilers, Data Mining and some others. But I have the core stuff down which I can expand on.Do I wish I had gone straight CS? Debatable. I enjoyed exploring all aspects of the course but having the creative outlet as well as the theory and computational side provided a good balance which helped me fully enjoy the course. Whereas core CS may have killed my brain. A degree in CS/Engineering (STEM) will never go to waste, you may find yourself not using the content much but it shows you have diligence and the ability to get a degree in a tough subject making you marketable, so long as you get the skills. Who knows you may end up finding something you enjoy in the degree as much as 3D.
>>654855cancer formatting my bad
>>654849You are not alone anon. I am the only one of my friends from art school that 'made it'. Funnily enough a few of them make a lot more money than me in their normie jobs and enjoy 3d on the side when they aren't driving their bad ass sports cars down the California coast. Don't give up your passion for art but by all means embrace whatever it is you got to do to make money and kick ass at it.
>>654857>>654855>>654849Here's some thoughts anons. I too have an "art degree" I spent a shit ton of money on. But you know what? I knew I wanted a career in this field ever since I was a young teen. I had to battle through years of depression to finally rediscover my passion for this job and when I did, I worked my ass off, built a portfolio, and got a job from one of the most acclaimed triple A studios before graduating.I live in a shitty room trying to keep the rats out while my unemployed classmates instead, had daddy buy downtown apartments for them. My dad died when I was 17 and my mom is a stupid fucking unemployed freeloading bitch who made my youth a living hell, squandered her part of my father's savings, then stole mine and squandered those aswell, trying to pin the blame on me. And before I was offered a fucking job, I willingly took that blame on my shoulders.And now I have to juggle between the passive aggressiveness of my ex classmates who are all jealous they never got a job like mine, while never putting in a tenth of the effort I did, making the decision between leaving my mom to die in a ditch and try to live a normal life, or keep her around and keep living a miserable life full of psychological abuse, and as the icing on the cake, when I was all excited about the opportunity I was about to apply for and asked one of my "teachers" (ex Animal Logic) for advice, they came and told to my fucking face that I should ask my daddy to fork over money to me, because the junior salaries are shit.And you know what I did?I packed my fucking stuff and moved out to get that shitty junior salary. What else was I supposed to do? Stay at home? And the cherry on top?(cont)
>>654902I have to watch how furries buy empty promises of massive, lewd games from ex amateur flash game devs on the Internet whose 3d skills would be laughed at by the donut blendlets and make millionaires out of em.All of this to show that it literally doesn't fucking matter which degree you have. Incompetent furry porn game devs bring home $400'000 a year while your gay ass Silicon Valley "computer scientists" at Google, with their STEM degrees they studied years for still dream of that kind of money. Streamers on twitch earn millions by being bad at video games and screaming into a microphone rounding up little zoomer kids. And if you dare complain to anybody, they'll fucking defend them to death, even though they are worthless people, without "STEM" degrees and do nothing but make a bunch of noise. Nothing is sacred, nothing fucking matters.Do what makes YOU happy, not others happy. If other people could stab you in the back with a rusty shiv, steal your wallet and leave you to bleed out and get away with it, they will, with no second thoughts, including your family.Nothing matters in this filthy world, only you. If doing something makes you happy, then fucking do it, or else someone is gonna come in and shit all over it just to spite you. You will pick up friends along your journey, people who share with you your goals, your ideals, or your tragedies. Keep those close because they are the only people in this world who will not do this to you. Or else one day you die and you'll have lived your life trying to make everyone else happy but yourself.So fuck you and your STEM bullshit. Fuck you and your furry shit and your streamersFuck you and your ex girlfriend who totally was the only one on earth, the love of your life, and made you too "depressed" to get out of bed. Fuck all of you who get into memey shit only because you consider getting likes on Facebook the biggest achievement there is in life.Fuck you and your excuses. And go back to work.
>>654902>>654903take it to /r9k/. Nobody will read that shit here.
>>654902Nice blog dude
>>654902>>654903In defence of the furry porn game dev, are you making a furry porn game?If not you cannot really complain he is making that much money. He isn't even that bad compared to most adult game devs. You could be making a ton of money if you wanted, you probably have to skills now to do it. But, you won't. However, that furry game dev is. Don't be bitter because of it.
>>655929Not that anon, not even against people earning cash from making adult games, but:>He isn't even that bad compared to most adult game devs.Nah, he's fairly incompetent in the grand scale of 3DCG. Compared to adult game devs too. The people making interactive smut on this very board are way more skilled than him.>You could be making a ton of money if you wanted, you probably have to skills now to do it. But, you won't. However, that furry game dev is.Do you really think his skills raked in a $300k/yr "salary"? Fuck no. If anything, he's a scheming little rascal. Props to him for manipulating the market well, honestly. Cater to an adult niche and the money just comes piling in.(append: lol his patron count seems to be dropping he was at $360k/yr the last time i checked)Look, there's a lot more issues with that furry dev guy than you really think. He's near bottom-of-the-barrel trash in terms of game developers in general, let alone adult ones. You pull in the basic income of an indie studio, yet you hire no one and continue to work with Blender and Unity. There's nothing wrong with those, but everyone knows that if you want to deliver a quality product you're gonna need better tools than _just_ them.You sit on your ass the entire day doing fuckall most of the time, occasionally streaming your "dev process" every few days where you just change a few numbers to show that you're "hard at work!!". Then you publish ever so incremental updates just then and again so people don't lambast you for being lazy. And of course, you manage to attract a crowd that'll forever claim you can do no wrong because you help jerk them off. i.e., your audience is just a bunch of yes-men that'll keep out anyone trying to give you real criticism.
>>655939tl;dr the guy's scum. Don't support him.And just for the record, I'm not supporting that other anon either. All that fucker does is come here and whine about "OHHHHHH MY LIFE IS SO SHIT BUT AT LEAST I'M NOT MAKING PORN BUT WAIT THEY'RE MAKING MORE MONEY THAN ME WAAAAAAAHHHHHH".
>>654902>>654903I think you're doing OK anon, you've got a paycheck and a career path. I think it would be healthier to stop judging people who choose a different path. Everyone makes tradeoffs in life. You're an artist because you take pride in the work and enjoy doing it, despite the pay. Most people don't work jobs they love, but instead put up with shit they don't particularly enjoy because it makes money. On the other hand, be aware that furryporn guy was extremely lucky. He happened to fill a niche with a series of free flash games before leveraging the exposure to his Patreon project. He was simply in the right place at the right time and took advantage of it. Nowadays whole teams of superior artists and developers are grinding just as hard as you're grinding to make adult games, and they're not getting rich. Being salty about someone who got as lucky as that is like being salty about someone winning the lottery.
90% of the time in 3D schools is spent on other things than modeling and creating.For me it was a complete waste of time and i would have probably been better off just sitting in my room fucking around with 3D programs and photoshop on my own because i had to relearn all the basic shit for a year after i graduated to even reach mediocre level on my portfolio.Everybody at 3D schools pretty much suck and you are just being surrounded by a bnuch of noobs. You will learn a bunch of useless skills and bad habits that you will realise are bad habits like 3 years later when you are actually good.
>>655947>Being salty about someone who got as lucky as that is like being salty about someone winning the lottery.More like being salty about having people come rub in my face how I supposedly didn't work as hard as the guy who won the lottery. Then have people be passive aggressive towards me because I work my ass off while they spend their day on Instagram and wonder why nobody comes knocking on their door with job offers.And then I'm the asshole, of course. >>655940>All that fucker does is come here and whine.. It might look like that to you because I only talk about this whenever I feel particularly down and, in turn, always blow this shit out of proportion, but I'm not against people earning cash from adult stuff either. But, as you said yourself:>you manage to attract a crowd that'll forever claim you can do no wrong because you help jerk them off. i.e., your audience is just a bunch of yes-men that'll keep out anyone trying to give you real criticism.That's the gripe I have with it. And only adult stuff enables this shit. And on top of it, there's the fact that this guy was given the chance of not just do whatever he wants full-time and learn as he goes, but also become stupidly rich, and is throwing it all away. But nobody bats an eye to that, as you correctly pointed out. How many people in this field out there are game devs on the side, including you and me, and would kill for the same opportunity? Quite literally and earnestly EVERYONE, that's how many. And, for me, add that I crawled my way out of the filthy depths of the furry fandom just to prove to myself that I could reach the top even while being a furfag with furry stuff in my folio. I mean, there's a reason why I'm so pissed at this thing in particular and not at any of the countless instances out there of people getting something they don't deserve. Seriously, with all the shit I had to put up with, it's amazing how I managed to keep my sanity and not become a mass murderer.
I get the bitterness at porn games. Here's what you fail to see though. Those people have identified an audience and are willing to serve that audience, in turn that audience is willing to fund that developer. You don't have to do porn, it's certainly the easiest to find an audience for. You do have to do the work of finding an audience and building awareness with them. If you can pull that off then you too can have the sweet patreon bucks. It's not fucking easy though.
>>655971Hard work means jackshit kid. You maybe working hard, but your too full of pride and entitlement. The furry game dev deserve success, you don't. Clearly you wouldn't kill yourself for the opportunity as the next sentence you wrote saying you won't do furry porn.Also step away from the edge sonic.>>655974This.
>>654749You should look at online educate. CGMA is really good and also Mold3D. Gnomon for videos. Anatomy for artist to learn anatomy, Paul Richer books if you want more detail.School is a scam.
>>655987>The furry game dev deserve successBy all rules and logic, he doesn't.He's torn the hull of his ship to shreds by crashing into every iceberg on its route. Yet the ship doesn't sink because his crew happily puts up with his incompetence and break their backs patching up the hull with flex tape instead of mutinying.But no wonder this kind of nuance would fly right over the head of someone with your kind of attitude.
>>655992what rules? what logic? The dude found an audience and caters to them, that is all it takes. I think you are making a mistake in thinking that skill and craftsmanship are the end all be all of success. They aren't, hell depending on your audience they may actually be irrelevant!
>>655939can i have link to this beast that makes furry porn for 300k per year?
>>656013nvm Found him. D:
>>656001I guess he is a hero. I mean "Blizzard is a dream job" is smell like shit beside with this guy
>>656030Blizzard is going down the drainage. Its no longer a dream job unless you are a sucker who likes to get payed less than the average.
>>655974>It's not fucking easy though.Wrong. The moment you identify an adult niche to cater to is the moment you've struck gold. And that isn't difficult at all. Why do you think so many futanari artists let alone game devs are easily pulling in thousands per month on Patreon?You don't even have to "build rapport" with your audience, because all they're literally paying you for is to get them off. Everything else you do for them is practically a bonus. Sure, it may help you earn more, but that doesn't change the fact that you can easily get a base salary of a thousand dollars per month drawing chicks with dicks.Adult content is easily lucrative no matter how you look at it. Know how to market yourself (and that isn't difficult, set up an account on HF [rip tumblr], gain some exposure by doing fanart or whatever, shill your patreon link everywhere) and you've won your riches. >>655987>>656001And it's sad to think that nowadays success is defined by whoever's the richest and the most famous, instead of what they're actually capable of. I guess by that definition the Kardashians are one of the most successful people alive. Which isn't wrong, I'm just lamenting the fact.
>>656046>Wrong. The moment you identify an adult niche to cater to is the moment you've struck goldI am saying it's harder to do it for a non-adult/sexual content audience. Basically you agree with me. If you are willing to pump out niche kink it's easy to find your audience. You just better be into it yourself or you will hate your life.
>>656049Ah crap, yeah, I misread your post a little. My bad.>You just better be into it yourself or you will hate your life.Yup. It's hard making something you don't want to already, but having to make porn that doesn't even turn you on is killer. Luckily, a few visits to /d/ helps to /d/esensitise you a little.
>>656046That bitter guy is defining success as money since he is complaining that the furry game dev is earning money. >>656049At the end of the day art is a job. Your not going to be doing a great project all the time. Not sure why you would need some great motivation to do a porn game. If the guy really is that lazy, then the guy could make a better game than the furry game dev.
>>654749Unless your country offers free undergrad, your wish not to stand out in your family will likely run you tens of thousands of dollars/euros/pounds.Weight it again. This could he a good help for you in buying a house, or equipment if you decide to go freelance.If you still want to study. A good move would be to get a degree in an alternate profession, which has a more or less guaranteed employment (I think this isn't that much of a thing in our days). So if cg falls through, you have that option.However, this will delay your training and cg career likely. So, if you do want to study vfx, consider schools that are actually good. Animation Workshop, CalArts (aka debt for life) - their level. Don't go for "Universities" - like in the UK, Bournemouth, Hertfordshire - they're a scam. Speaking from experience. (I know a few of my former mates lurk here - hi Joe!)Good luck
Periodic reminder there are people like me willing to pay several grand for top quality furry porn commissions
>>659051Do you have any idea as to why there seems to be more money on the hands of furries than people with other erotic interests?
>>659057Because commissioning art of your fursona strokes your ego more than other types of art do.
>>659061(This is >>659051)
>>659061>>659062Thanks, it makes sense.