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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2H0MfW7LbE

FlippedNormal did a harsh truth on 3d industry.

. Very low pay
. Have to work 16 hours a day to keep up with everyone
. Can get fired at everytime
. Outsourcing is killing the industry
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>. Very low pay
>. Have to work 16 hours a day to keep up with everyone
>. Can get fired at everytime
>. Outsourcing is killing the industry
You just described literally every job in murrica save for banking
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Why are you presenting 4 points as if that's what they're saying in the video?
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>>631472
>Very low pay
>. Have to work 16 hours a day to keep up with everyone
>. Can get fired at everytime
>. Outsourcing is killing the industry
So he described every job ever?

Also he can fuck right off, 3d is the best paid job with no entry limit. You can be underage with 0 experience and find a work with a folio of one piece.
Sure you can get a job flipping burgers with no skill but even the shittiest 3d related studio will pay you better.

Getting work at any aaa studio is the golden ticket, even getting laid off after a big project fails you get 2-5 years of great pay. A big movie project you will still be a year or more of work.

Fucking people in construction get laid off after a month, and have to look for a new project month in month, since that how long will last.

Outsourcing to china and india killed most manual labor works, the cgi industry is fine, US and Canadian studios till dominate and dont show any sign of disappearing.
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Why would anyone want to be a professional 3D artist?
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>>631472
>Outsourcing is killing the industry

npt really. the outsourcing gives a chance to create own companies around the world.
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>>631510
>US and Canadian studios till dominate

hahaha.. today its is singapoor and fucking chinese what dictate the market. indians and brazils are in coming. japs are dead already. goreans eat shit because of corruption in the production.

the biggest producer of 3d right now is actually russians/exsoviets.
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>>631472

I wasn't shocked by much of the information expressed in this video.. no brainers really

- when passion becomes job, i.e. - working for someone else, it still feels like a JOB. You have someone to report to, you're most likely working to produce their vision (especially entry level stuff), any work can get repetitive when you do it 8+ hrs a day. Overtime is expected and is becoming more and more expected in almost every job (in America at least). I know people who work in both manufacturing & fashion and work a shit ton of overtime. This isn't specific to the 3D industry

- be wary of 'good' feedback you receive from friends/family/professors who haven't worked in the industry/unproven classmates
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>>631472
>Very low pay
>Have to work 16 hours a day to keep up with everyone
>Can get fired at everytime
All depends on your skills and dedication to your art m8

>Outsourcing is killing the industry
Just work for an outsourcing company you mongoloid

>>631510
>Getting work at any aaa studio is the golden ticket, even getting laid off after a big project fails you get 2-5 years of great pay. A big movie project you will still be a year or more of work.
Implying it's worth it to learn 3D skills to bet on 1-2 years of work when it actually takes 3-5+ years to be employable on a AAA project. You're pretty much guaranteed to start in a small company to build experience desu.

>>631533
This

>>631534
USA, Canada, Singapore, Brazil, even Japan, yes.. but India? No, just no, they cost close to nothing but it shows: the work is fucking crap. India is only good if you want the cheapest possible thing out there. Pajeets don't even try, they collect their 8$/day paycheck and keep their fingers up their asses until it's time to go home.
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>>631543
>Pajeets don't even try

dude. 80% of all 3dshit in commecrials, engeneering and visuals starting from Saudi Arabia and going down to NZ is some random Randjeep doing his finest work. 3d is not all about cartoons and movies.
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>>631534
>the biggest producer of 3d right now is actually russians/exsoviets.
Stop talking out of your ass
True, studios in Poland and Czech republic poped up that offer insane quality for the prices, but they are few for their entire countries.
What you got in poland when it come to big international cgi studios Platigue images?
In czech republic nothing, noting in ukraine too. In Belarus you got Resight ....

Yeah, not an impressive list is it?
Where is that slav domination of yours?
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>>631543
>Implying it's worth it to learn 3D skills to bet on 1-2 years of work when it actually takes 3-5+ years to be employable on a AAA project. You're pretty much guaranteed to start in a small company to build experience desu.
Same goes for any job you moron.You think you gonna be a brain surgeon out of medical school?
No, you are still in for 10 more years of practice before someone will put you over a patient.

Also i will repeat myself, in any industry where you work on smaller projects for multiple people, be it roofing, shipyard work, renovations, cgi,architecture etc you work on something for montsh or years and look for another project.
Not every job is fucking farming or fishing, smelting, power plant, government jobs, schooling etc where you work all time and no matter if you sell it or not you produce goods that can be exported or horded or you do work that will always be needed where you can spend your whole life working for one firm.
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>>631573
>studios in Poland and Czech republic

#BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.. nigger.. what are you talking about? none of those studias are relevant.
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>>631583
>#BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.. nigger.. what are you talking about? none of those studias are relevant.
Are tyou fucking retarded?
Did you even read the post you replied to or stopped after first few words.
If you did then fuck me, you are ether shit fuck stupid or going senile.
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>>631631
>Did you even read the post you replied to or stopped after first few words.

the fucked answered with pointless shit ignoring the post before. he brought some shit about polaken, bydlo and chickens hen the post before was talking about russians.
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>>631634
Is this Kyle's cousin Kyle?
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>>631634
>the fucked answered with pointless shit ignoring the post before. he brought some shit about polaken, bydlo and chickens hen the post before was talking about russians.

>the biggest producer of 3d right now is actually russians/exsoviets.
Do you know what countries were even created in collapse of soviet union?
CR would get from under russian boot with Collapse of USSR, Poland had a puppet government controlled by Russians and wouldnt gain independence from them until 1990. Both Ukraine and Belarus were part of that commie shithole and so 16other slav countries were created, recreated or gained independence when it fell.
Obviously Uzbekistan wont matter as some cgi power house so need to mention them or other countries that are among poorest in the world.

How can anybody be so fucking uneducated? Current russian might be big geographically but population wise its half of USSR
What else can can "exsoviets" mean you dumb twat, im getting second hand embarrassment just from reading your post.

Cant wait for the next reply with i was only pretending to be retarded bit.
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Look at all the COPE in this thread. It's despicable this industry is getting so saturated and making conditions worse with every passing year.

See how far that "passion" drives you working 8 hours a day on boring uninspired assets, that need to be revised for bullshit reasons, 20% of the time will be discarded and required in such a short deadline because "hurr durr it's just a chair/box/table" yet the workflow demands similar timespan to more complex objects. Even your senior artist loses the sense of time it takes to create these things because, rightfully so, he's working on fun hero assets that can take weeks!

Anyway, enter the industry at your peril. If I had a time machine I would've kicked my former-self in the ass and told him to go into finance and retire at 30 or some shit. Fucking video games. I don't even like video games anymore. Christ.
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>>631663
unrelated:
why does every /3/ thread about other countries devolve into Russia
what an interesting phenomenon
we had this happen in our pseudo-/pol/ thread that other time
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>>631676
>what an interesting phenomenon

ant5i-russian lobby jumps up and starts a flame war as soon someone drops a word russian. there is massive 260000 troll army in east Europe paid to create run flame wars. there is a fucking massive AI networks which analyses and informs the trolls to join the talk. pay attention how the troll jumped against randomly mentioned russians and moved the thread into anti-russian flame talk when bringing Poland, Ukraine and Baltics (none of them were even mentioned) into.

about 3d: russians do produce really many 3d shit right now. it doenst comes out of ex-soviet and 3 world market because the west put sanctions on publishing their work in the west medias. i heard how russians tried to sell their idea to get investments from EU, Brazilia and China and got answers from NewYork and LA that their bankers dont see it profitable. Russians just shrugged and collected money by going around and made tipple profits than imaniged themselves. the movie never came out in the west and people heard of Kindzaza cartoon only because russians translated it themselves and dumped it for a half year into youtube for free.

>>631663

>Poland
irrelevant in 3d. the West allowed oligarchs from Russia, Poland, Ukraine and Baltics to use the industry to wash stolen money. Poland had over 200 different production companies and only 3-5 of them managed to finish their shit. Same with ukrainians and baltics. they are irrelevant in 3d because literally are more money laundering than creating anything. Some Ukrainian producers, who were good before are now just a part of pro-ukrainian and anti-russian nazi propaganda.

>>631666

until Obama the 3d were used as a moral and propaganda bait against asians. When Obama left da house asian production companies were ruined and lost control over own consumer markets. now USA is not interested to produce good and expensive work because the US publishing companies control the consumer markets in Asia anyway.
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>>631690
>>631666
>US publishing companies control the consumer markets in Asia anyway.

The US companies offer the only way to produce: you pay americans and they do some shit for you like Mulan. else forget it.

Most countries just give up and invest into local TV market, where they have literally to fight for each artists and production company because american managers are trying to steal their ideas, artists, creators and money away. (see how they killed french and other european production markets by "inviting" the artists to Holywood or USA,(for example russian art schools are now counting artist drain on the level where 70% of their pupils leaving for the USA or other anglosaxon country) where those artists are bound by money and contracts for the rest of their life.They barely create anything new just reproducing their own shit they made before in homeland) since countries around the world are trying to invest own money into local markets USA pulled out the copyright and "our courts decide about your market" bait and started creating the Netflix like TV and streaming structures.

in the end anyone who wants to produce outside the american medias has to choose: make it free and youtube will cash in. make it not free and sell yourself cheap to american publisher. or go to american and became part of their system.

So far the only countries, who managed to survive on their are russians, chinese, brazilian and iranians. everything else just has forbiden medias in own borders, like arabs and malaysians or took publisher market into total state control. like USA, China or Malaysians.

i am not saying people should stop doing their art or try to make money but they should aware of propaganda and market games going on behind the media.
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>>631676


Only a new-age Democrat / naive person thinks Russians, I repeat, RUSSIANS (NOT the state/institution) are evil.

Russia has throughout history produced great arts and minds to rival the West, even under poor or repressed conditions. It is a special country., so you have many geniuses and many retards (Wide IQ distribution) being produced in Russia, while the vast majority of the world are much narrower in their distribution. Anglosphere peoples (Pre mass-immigration) also have this higher average, and wide distribution in IQ, whereby the average rose over centuries thanks to positive INSTITUTIONAL changes that promoted education. Let's not even get into Africa, but facts are agnostic to your feeling, nigger.
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>>631676
>why does every /3/ thread about other countries devolve into Russia
>what an interesting phenomenon
>we had this happen in our pseudo-/pol/ thread that other time
Why the fuck not you fucking burger clap.
When threads always end up being about US centric and Canadian IT business its fine, but mention the "evil bad Russia" and its suddenly political?

I swear there are jew paid shills just looking to push their russian fear mongering everywhere they can.
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>>631708
>tfw am not even burger
yeah man i'm totally antiruskie for wondering why we happen talk about russia so often
i don't have anything wrong with them i just find it interesting because this thread didn't even start off with russia and ended up involving it
then we also have >>628034 that while is related to russia isn't _directly_ related
i brought up /pol/ because we pretty much had one entirely /pol/ thread ( see: we wuz kangz racebait thread that somehow began involving russia : https://archived.moe/3/thread/623532/ )
nice assblasting though my dude
keep it up
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>>631711
>yeah man i'm totally antiruskie for wondering why we happen talk about russia so often
The fuck you mean so often?
The discussion was about outsourcing and someone mentioned outsourcing to Russia.
Why the fuck wouldnt a discussion about outsourcing mention Russia, its always china and India, but other big countries are just behind it when it comes to economic potential.

What i find weird is how out of ordinary you find it.
Dont want to be called out stop writing shit posts, you were the only one to mention anything political, the other guy/guys seem to not know that USSR was combination of multiple countries so that discussion turned into shit too.
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>>631714
>The fuck you mean so often?
from what i've seen of other boards, we seem to be the only hobby board that when derailed shifts to russia
other hobby boards just go on about the more usual stuff like shitting on [insert minority of choice] or trump flamewars
that's all i'm saying there, it was just an observation, and i don't have any "deeper meaning" to it
>you were the only one to mention anything political
?? except i haven't? >>631676, >>631711 and this post have been my only posts in this thread so far
i don't think they've been political in any manner
maybe you're confusing me with the other lowercase posters above
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>>631534
>Indians are coming
Lol no. Have you seen their work? Take a look at all the institutions' garbage showreels. Is retarded how unskilled, uninspired and untaught they are.
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>>631959
>Lol no. Have you seen their work?

dude. what you see in the west is some 3-4 years old shit what was made by indy-studios.

https://www.insightssuccess.in/growth-of-3d-animation-in-india/
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>>631999
I see. Well, It might happen, but looking at their (fairly)latest work(movies), doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon. If there are indeed people with actual skills, looks like they're working for outsourcing.
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>>631999
Yes, I have.
I'm a lead at one of the top studios you all drool about. I am in the unfortunate position of also having to work with our Indian studio.
And let me tell you, Jesus fucking Christ it's a clusterfuck. At the end of this show I will probably have to redo all hero assets we gave them. And they are very hero. They are a bunch of juniors who are in no way ready to take on this responsibility.
It's madness. But they get paid peanuts so whatever, right? Fuck my life.
India is the cancer of this industry. And it's not the people's fault, we all started somewhere. It's the fault of the movie industry that is raping us for the cheapest work so they can make more BILLIONS.
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>>631959
>>632255
Agreed

>I'm a lead at one of the top studios you all drool about. I am in the unfortunate position of also having to work with our Indian studio.
I'm in the same position, and I can confirm that 90% of everything that comes from our indian partners is shit. Their workers are like mindless pawns that can't follow direction, interpret a concept, or think for themselves in any way. Some are technically skilled, but it ends there. It IS cancer.
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>>631510
>3/10
Too obvious, tune down the sarcasm
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>>631543
>You're pretty much guaranteed to be exploited in a small company

ftfy
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>>631510
Whats very low pay in £

Everyone says this low pay shit but to me anything over 21k is fucking rich, ive been stacking shelves for the last 10 years and only getting 16k a year now im finally about to break out into a 21k job im fucking rich
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>>631472
>spends 27 minutes painting a niggers nose
>complains about low pay and outsourcing
just wow
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>>631472
Ffs you fuckers are watching fliipednormals is nothing sacred? Once reddit finds this channel its over, once they get million subscribers its all going to go to shit
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>>633456
I'm a junior (<2 years exp) and make 60k USD.
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>>633464
Fuck me in 10 years your almost at a million, you can retire, and you a junior wtf
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>>633464
are you dumb,different country different cost of living etc
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>>633464
I'm a Pajeet and I probably don't make this much in my entire career.
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Oh god what have I gotten myself into? I've been in college for a year now for 3D and recently I've been terrified what's going to happen to me when I have to enter the industry.
I thought it'd be fun but I just can't do it. I've ruined my life and I'm so screwed.
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>>633673
i'm sorry
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>>633456
I just started and got a 50k job in a bigger indie studio.
Im really happy with it.

Also apparently my studio pays very little, keep bumping into people saying they earn at lest 80k, so dunno, maybe they are just bullshiting me, didnt work long enough yet to tell and i dont trust those online pools, they never seem to agree on anything.
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>>633724
Stop reading /3/
Really
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>>633724
really any career except pure software development is like that and even there competition is fierce as fuck
don't panic, just try your best and have a secondary source of income in case your career flops
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>>633724
actually stop reading this board, and maybe 4chan in general, if it affects you so negatively. the 3d industries aren't perfect but you can do fine, thousands of people do
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>>633464
Where the fuck do you work? And is this gros or net? I'm lead at one of the biggest studios and I'm making $75k but that's before euro taxes. What the fuck.




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