Post your ratio and how much you've earned from all of this>$12k tuition fees>one $500 paid gig doing not cp>-$11.5k totalthis industry is a scam
>>619276made around 60k rubles in two yearshahaha
>>619291>30k a yearlmao
>>619296I-I live with parents, so it's okayActually, it's not okay at all
>>619276>Paying to go to school in 2018There are shitters on youtube putting out better teaching resources than "elite" art academies like Gnomon.
>>619330>I.T.T. some goober who's never been to college, much less GnomonMy university experience wasn't all that worth it for the things they taught me (to be frank it was a garbage nobody university), but for the situation's they've put me through, they have been invaluable. This is the next best thing you can do to get acclimated to various things like crunch time, project scope and creep, how to work as and deal with a team, how to split tasks, learning what you can do and coming to gripes with what you can't, not to mention the feedback they'll give you at one of these schools, which coming from gnomon is bound to be excellent.If academic institutions focused on art like these were just about sitting down and watching the equivalent of Youtube videos, they'd be bankrupt already. Yet, attendance numbers have held steady. You just cannot get this kind of experience and networking done sitting on your room for 18 hours a day, not because the tools aren't there, but because the mindset isn't there. You've never had to do it, so chances are, you never will and you'll never understand why you'll have to do it either.
>>619352Spoken like a true shill.
>>619359I'm not telling you how to spend your money. Spend it on whatever you find the most worthwhile, college, food, onaholes, you name it. I'm just not sure why you're so quick to trash Gnomon if it's just a shitty place, surely that's common knowledge and shouldn't bother you at all?
>>619360Too many presumptions in this response ( I'm not the same replier), you are equating Gnomon with some weird absolutist approximation of a changing industry that's being shifted by small studios and easier to wrangle robust computational pipelines. School is nothing but a primer and if you're smart ( and want to be more than a credit line, cog, and have work with purpose) it would be judicious to sit your ass down somewhere and figure out a pipeline for yourself to start to command your own price. Gnomon, Institutions, WETA etc, are not the end all be all of the employability of 3D nor are they the final guarantor of the ability to get a paycheck in this field.
>>619361>Too many presumptions in this response ( I'm not the same replier), you are equating Gnomon with some weird absolutist approximation of a changing industry that's being shifted by small studios and easier to wrangle robust computational pipelines.Too many presumptions in this response. Based on personal experience, I think CG art university is a good buy-in depending on the price because they essentially force you to learn how to network, take criticism and work like your life depends on it. If you're a glowing brain genius and can figure out a way to become a successful freelancer (I.E. not someone living off of canned food in a cramped room every month), then more power to you.Art institutions aren't the be-all end-all for employability, I'm glad we agree on that. Anon was trashing Gnomon however, by equating it to something less than a "shitter" making tutorials on Youtube. This is on a board that occasionally makes threads dedicated to bitching about the low quality of tutorials online. To say that's a gross generalization is putting it lightly, not to mention, again, it doesn't seem like he's even been, he's shitting on it just to be hip.I don't understand the vitriol people on this board have towards art institutions like this. I imagine they've been through the first term, figured out they couldn't use blender or impress the teach with it, then bailed out with a massive debt and went on to rant at yelp about it.
>>619365Those folks aren't apart of the zeitgeist and probably don't have the basal creative tools to be an artist. Yet the paragon and the mix of the curriculum in any institution is based on the logistical feasibility and articulation of a set of tutorials to help one learn how to solve a certain set of problems. At this juncture, you don't have to pay a tuition to torrent, download or usenet a Gnomon tutorial, they are apparently not very future proof. But does any of that downgrade the information? What about masterclasses from software dev's themselves? I've learned more from a Houdini masterclass than any Gnomon fast-track course, just based on the logistics of the presenter. Folks have their own ways of learning and making a certain prognostication for a tuition at one specific institution seems a bit bunk.
>>619352You're an idiot.I've watched countless of interviews with pros and I can't remember a single one stating he went to any form of school. In fact I can recall some of them explicitly recommending to stay away from these institutions.Just like any form of academia, it is an ancient form of cartel that extorts time and money from you in exchange for a worthless piece of paper that says: "I'm more privileged than anyone who doesn't have this paper." Good thing school gratifications mean nothing in this industry.
>>619424Yes, I'm sure you've done your homework really well by watching all these interviews. It's nice that you haven't tried to disprove what I said, which means you really haven't been, and you base all your opinions off of what other people think. Again, think and spend your money however you please. I've heard all I need to hear already, enjoy life.
>>619352>This is the next best thing you can do to get acclimated to various things like crunch time, project scope and creepIn other words, to get used to being treated as a mere production tool, not as a human laborer. Congratulations, I guess?
>>619521Not really. Don't do overtime if you don't want to get paid more. >>619535Yeah, you're not even reading what I'm posting. Waste of time.
>>619535That's hilarious. My mom's an arts graduate and barely supported her kids when she couldn't hold down any sort of stable living as a working artist, which she eventually gave up on. I didn't even finish high school, and I'm living comfortably making art for vidya gaems.
>>619366Is this some sort of satire, or do you just enjoy wearing your crippling autism on your sleeve? Lay off the thesaurus a bit. You sound like a stupid asshole.
>>619544is your mom norwegian?
>>619544well, there are still good art institutionsjust gotta look at their first year student results before you attend
>>619535An important thing to consider here is that not only is this not anything new but it's actually starting to happen to other fields as well. There's an education bubble going on right now and college education is like the equivalent of a high school degree at this point. It doesn't help that the standards of a majority of colleges (not including quality schoolsv like goeblins that actually make their hiring rates public) care not about padding your ego to keep you enrolled instead of actually preparing you for the industry.I learned more about animation from six months in an online school than I did 5 years getting a BFA.
>>619545That's not a refutation.
>>619542>don't do overtime Enjoy being unemployed.
>>619565is this satire? I'm unemployed, I just mine ether and make almost $900/mo just off that
>>619568I don't care. You don't work overtime on the pipeline you don't stay on the job.
>>619569working on your personal pipeline not owned by some company will get you more money. My suggestion is to just mine mine mine and do your own work for your own personal goals, preferably with new technologies like VR
>>619570Yea yea yea nice backpedal.
>>619571what? Are you some kind of old bot or something? How much do you even earn from digital currency a month? None? LMAO
>>619568>I just mine ether and make almost $900/mo just off thathow do you get $900/mo off ethershit son I would be glad for 400/mo
>>619572What does that have to do with a studio production pipeline's typical protocol? What does that have to do with the usual time base on production iterations? Why are you sperging out?
>>619573I have 2 watercooled titan V's, a watercooled 1080 ti, and 5 other cards all mining 24/7
>>619574are you retarded? We're talking about you quitting your job, mining full time, and developing better skills so you wont have to be just another pipeline monkey, like those pathetic fucks doing "pipeline" work for south park animation
>>619575okay now that's too hardcore for me thanksI wonder how much I can get off my >1050
>>619576Those pathetic fucks have jobs.I'm not sure you are deducing your initial posit correctly.
>>619576It's cool you're known for mining and always in training. Not production.
>>619576And who are "we"?
I think I'll just sell shrooms I grow to fund my training
>>619578>Those pathetic fucks have jobs.I'm not sure you are deducing your initial posit correctly.they work on what? Season 20 of 2d animated south park? Doing pipeline? How sad. With all the tech avaliable, you could do VR which can help injured people live full lives. All you have to do is mine coin and develop freely, provided you have the iq
>>619582I'm still not sure if you have good reading comprehension. The pipeline isn't mutually exclusive with south park (?). You don't need a high IQ to follow an order of operations if you have a passion. Also not sure how one can afford a mining rig without a stable income are in place. Your anecdotal evidence isn't moving the conversation anywhere.
>>619584>I'm still not sure if you have good reading comprehension.is this satire?
>>619585Still, you haven't said anything substantive. Good day to you.
>>619586you're a poorfag dumbass whose only argument is "hurrrrrrrrrr reading comprehension durrrrrrrrrrrrrr" when you're talking to someone actively developing VR to help the wounded and disabled and also making a killing mining on top of that
>>619587More ad hominem even more anecdotal evidence.
>>619588are you a bot?
>>619591or is your real name Christopher Berg-Jones?
>>619591>>619592????? or are you the "cops"?
>>619564Wasn't trying to refute you. I don't have a dog in this fight, because I do 3D strictly as a hobby. I just wanted to point out that you sound like a moron who is trying really hard to sound smart ... like you're either compensating really hard to cover up an inferiority complex, or you give yourself too much credit and you think you're projecting some sort of brilliant intellect. Either way, it's a bad look and it's impossible to take you seriously. You're on 4chan, you have no reason to be peppering your posts with all of this pretentious Word of the Day vocabulary, yet here we are.Gonna shut up now, because I don't want to keep derailing this thread.
>>619622Thank you for proving to me and the thread that you aren't a 3D professional. Good day.
>>619626Not sure who you think you're replying to, but I made precisely two posts in this thread:>>619622>>619545That's it.
You autistic fucks wasting time arguing in this thread instead of getting good are why this people think cg is a bad career. You have nothing to blame except your own poor work ethic and hustle.
I've made almost no money, but I spent nothing on my education. All paid for by the last job that laid me off combined with fafsa and grants and 2 years of unemployment.Now I make 70k a year in a completely different field that I didn't go to school for. Still get to live at home with mamaw and papaw and use my newfangled edumacation to mod video game tiddies and masturbate.
>>619622>You're on 4chan,>le you're on reddit argumentjesus
>>619424>>619521Welcome to the workforce
>>619575There's no way you are making that return with those cards, even more so at current prices. Not even if you are stealing electricity.
>>619569Overtime is fine as long as it's paid. Plus, there is a legal limit on the number of overtime hours per year. Where I live, anyway.Here, working overtime within legal bounds is doing you no harm. Working overtime out of legal bounds is prime for suing the company and getting fair compensation. But why would you do that instead of having a life? Fear of being fired for not doing unpaid overtime? Oh, wait, that would be illegal too.
>>619677No one said anything about working outside of legal limits. Don't move the goalposts.
>>619677And unpaid overtime is rampant in the industry for various reasons outside of the reaches of project scope. Shit happens and sometimes you can't leave your desk. There is no union.
>>619276didnt use cg peers but torrents overall and pirated softwaremade 200k$ in a year, but a lot of that was 12h workdays including weekends on months long projectshonestly im done with being self employed im looking for standard 9 to 5 workday so i can have a live outside my job
>>619683>made 200k$ in a year,since im retarded i meant my countrys currency btw its around 100k burger dollars
>>619676he has 2 titan v's, 1 1080ti, and 5 miscllanious cards tat he didnt even name
>>619682It's not justified in any defensible way.You crunch, they profit.If you have to do overtime, at least do it for yourself, as a freelancer, and charging accordingly.
>>619724Overtime should be tabulated upfront. Ask for 50% first. Revisions tally up also. But there is no way to really guard against having to overnight/crunch without just being on time in general.
>>619727>Overtime should be tabulated upfront.is this a joke? Tabulated? Are you just looking into a thesaurus?
>>619729You'll learn how to read like a big boy soon enough.
>>619730Why are you even posting in this thread? I'm sure the money the government gives you each month for your autism is more than enough to cover your living expenses.
>>619732Why are you so shit at trolling?
I spent 30k learning CG and saved 60k over 3 years working in it.Spent 12k per year on living expenses.
>>619546Dafuq?>>619548If that infographic is anything to go by, and my own experiences growing up around my mother are any indication, the problem is that fine arts programs aren't really concerned with employment as they are with having a grounding in certain disciplines. Which is perfectly reasonable on one end, but leads to those sort of statistics on the other. You can easily spend four years developing great skills in a top notch learning environment that does not care if you're ever employable on even a basic level. In fact, you're outright taught that your art won't be appreciated in your lifetime, which I think discourages people from considering the here and now. I doubt that point alone is enough to explain the discrepancy, but it's something to think about.
>>619730why even bring /b/ level trolling to /3/?
>>619749Why, to spice things up, of course.
CGPeers has been on freeleech for me forever. I'm at infinity ratio but I still upload incase it stops (at 2tb up). Why aren't you, OP?
>>619749Beats me the chans are mysterious.
>>619352>dude just go to gnomon lmao
>>619754I'm on freeleech, too. Is it a bug?
Up: 588.GB>age 29>digital sculpting everday since late 2010>Tuition fees £15,000>Never been hiredkill me
>>620915can you post one of your works
>>620915You need to get your stuff out there
>>620915Either you're the most talentless brainlet there is or you're just not putting yourself out there. Post your work.
>>619555which online school?
CGpeers is kill
>>623172CGPeers is always kill around this time.Give it a few days unless something happened to them.
>>623172No, CGPeers is birth again
>>619276How to we access the forums?Motherfuckers are hoarding up in there.They always have the latest after effects plugins by this monter guy and motherfuckers won't put them on the trackers. The fuck is going on?
>>623359CGPeers and CGpersia need separate logins. I managed to get an CGPersia account, but whenever i try to get an new account on CGPeers, my browser produces an error, or the site glitches or something else is fucked. I am trying for 12 months now. Stuff uploaded to CGPersia doesn't necessarily gets uploaded to CGPeers and vice versa. Thats just the way it is. I have to beg someone to upload it on a one-click hoster from the torrent, so my guess is that it works the same (opposite) way for you. What Plugin? Do you have a burner mail which you can post?
>>620915>digital sculpting for 8 yearsWhere's that art station profile?
>>623366Can you show us a screenshot of what Persia is like?Is there a lot of stuff that doesn't make it to peers?Which trackers recruit for Persia?
>>623366Like this Anon >>623584 I also want to know something, what's the last version of Arnold for Houdini available on CGPersia? CGPeers's are quite old, GFXPeers however has the newest ones.
>>623584You can go there yourself, you just wont see any links.>Is there a lot of stuff that doesn't make it to peers?I don't know, how am i suppose to compare if i can't go to peers?>>6235903.0.1
>>623610Thank you. CGPeers is clearly lagging.
>>623612 As long as it eventually ends up at Peers, I dont care.Why dont Persia fags upload the missing releases?
>>623727Same reason Peer fags wont upload missing releases on CGP.
>>623737Perhaps if they invited people into their forums, uploads would be done there too.
>>619276How does one get gigs doing not cp? I do an awful lot of not cp for my own amusement so it would be nice to get paid.
>>623790I find something suspicious about the wording of this post.