Should I go, lads?
No, they are scammers.
>>617969what makes you think that
>>617971You pay an obscene amount of money for a useless degree. Everything they teach you can learn from forums like GameArtisans, Turbosquid, or even Youtube tuts. If you must have an art degree you are 10000x better off going to a university and taking traditional art while learning 3D at the same time. Your degree will look far less retarded, it will cost you less, and you will learn more.
>>617944I took an orientation tour there for their courses and every classroom was students sitting at desks with their laptops in front of them watching a video on a projection screen teaching them a tutorial on Maya, or Unity, or Unreal Engine, or character design. The teachers were literally doing nothing. The tuition was insanely high, like 4 times higher than a regular college. There was literally nothing they teach that you couldn't learn watching online tutorials because that's all they seem to teach there.
>>617978did they have any trans instructors?
>>617979No idea. I didn't look at anyone's genitals.
>>617981so they were all passable?
>>617988They were all men. At least for the classes I saw.
>>617979What kind of sick mind formulates such an question?
>>617989So the answer is no
>>617994Are you anti trans?
>>618003every sane, non-degenerate and descent person is.
>>617944First see if your community college teaches any 3D courses or classes cheap and pretty good, NO DEBT! If you have to really go to college I suggest Ringling their Undergraduate tuition is $39,510 and they have a better turn over of successful Alumni in the industry. On the other hand A.I has way more alumni who are failure and are fucked by a bunch of debt. A.I Also has low skill turn over. Just don't go A.I tuition is about $100,000. Or if you have some money saved up use that to get a subscription to Gnomon Workshop, or Plurasight you can learn more from tutorials online than at A.I and not be crippled with debt.
>>618089>A.I tuition is about $100,000i want to go even moar now
>>618091Well its your choice just don't say nobody warned you beforehand. If you do go just take the 3D classes and then dropout your wallet will thank you. But your skill will be mediocre at best. Also make sure you got to a decent one Not all A.Is are equal here is a link to the student work from one of their good ones. https://www.artstation.com/mediaarts even so its not worth the price is too much.
>>618089>>617976Find a friend in AI to get their curicullum, Pay less than 10% of AI fees to get trained by actual professionals online. Use FxPHD, Animation mentor, CG society, Gumroad, etc.
>>617944I went there for college. San Diego to be specific. To be honest, the only classes worth it were the advanced one by the end of the program which were taught by people from High Moon Studios and Legendary. I transferred credits from community college for maths, ethics, and I think history. Took the basics of art and design in AI. Not that great, you could turn garbage in and still qualify for a passing grade, some people in my classes were garbage other were insanely good at drawing and painting.I took sculpting with a person working for robot chicken and drawing with a Disney/WB veteran, by that point I realized the only way to get anything from the program was to put yourself 100% into it. I think I spent around 8 hours daily, except Sundays, on the Institute doing projects. I took brief breaks, but I was never one of the suckers hogging a computer just to watch youtube and shit. Those idiots still manage to graduate, although with a shit portfolio. By the time I got to the 3D Environment and capstone classes I was pretty independent and focused, and I am thankful to have had strict teachers in those last course, they were still forced to pass the shitheads, but at least my work was better than them. I was, by far, not the best of my generation. After interviews with pretty much anyone hiring 3D environment artists I figured out the industry is extremely competitive, even for people willing to do nothing but model and texture rocks and crates for shit money like me it simply was not going to work because I am competing with people who are so much more disciplined and experienced from all over the globe. I have seem South Korean, Polish, Spanish, and French artist who are simply almost supernatural, and I was competing for entry-level positions with them. I took a job doing assets for an Android game (3d animated models were rendered to 2d) and for what is probably a conspiracy documentary (alien ship) none of which ever came out but for which I was paid.
>>618220I have taken extra courses from Gnomon, Eat3D, and others. Currently I work for an additive manufacturing retailer helping the engineers check on the 3d printers, designing pretty much all we print that we don't download from Thingiverse, and as booth staff when we go to conventions and the like.I did not pay for my Ai degree due to a scholarship.I don't know whether to recommend you attend it or not, since you'll probably have to pay your tuition from what I have read in your post.At least 7 people I knew (5 students from previous generations and two from my generation) still work at big-name studios such as Electronic Arts Montreal and Ubisoft (dunno which brand). Most people that graduated from Videogame Art & Design don't even work at anything even remotely art or 3D related though. It took me a while to land my current job, but I was never at any risk of ending out on the streets or being dragged down by loan payments.I do not regret studying at the AI, but consider I did not have to pay for it and I transferred several credits from community college anyways. Also, I studied there like fucking 8 years ago.
>>618221did you get any nerdy art girl pussy while you were there?
>>618318nerdy or needy
Absolutely 100% no.Former grad here from their 3d program.It's mostly a scam, you will spend 1 year doing basic high school art classes like color theory and figure drawing from highschool art grade part time adjunct professors who can't get work anywhere else.Then you will spend about a year learn g 2d animation from people who can barely do simple flash animations and know very little drawing.The last 2 years are 3d and portfolio, and for me the first year and a half they had professors who had basically failed in the 3d industry and resorted to part time adjunct gigs. In the last year to 6 months we finally got some real pros and those classes were great, but considering you'll leave there with 60000 in debt for 6 months of real training it's absolutely not worth it.Also there are a lot more youtube tutorials and videos then there were when I went, there's almost nothing they can teach you that youtube cant. And any job you apply for is going to ask for a portfolio, and not give 2 shits about that diploma.Fuck AI. Teach yo self, save the money. If you really need hands on instruction save up and take a workshop
>>618318>>618328nope, I'm a manlet and socially awkward, so that kept me from partying and socializing in the first couple of trimesters. After that, I decided I was better off just applying myself to my studies and getting into the mindset that liking video games has nothing to do with being a professional 3D artist, that and taking criticism as what it is rather than as an insult.So, I didn't even live the supposedly crazy life that a college student is supposed to live.
>>618363did you at least dabble in heroin?
>>618364hahaha, I wish, maybe I should have gone with the lads to Mexico to try Peyote, but I am too much of a chicken.I went to ComiCon once, if that counts as anything.
Honestly I went to school here up in San Antonio and oh my god do I have a long story to tell. I went here for two years and finally left because I was learning almost nothing. When I first got here it was quite fun. I even made a few friends and shit. Classes were quite interesting as well. I wouldn’t say the most useful if you already know how color works. Second quarter was when it started going down hill. I ended up taking three classes that the teachers were just awful. Interior design, Animation, Perspective drawing. Interior design was pretty shit. The teacher was the really old grouchy lady. She would literally call me out in the class telling people not to talk to me and that I had no chance or idea what I was doing. Keep in mind I had a 85 throughout the class. It made it worse when I pissed off her teachers pet because I made a fat joke to a friend I had there and of course he took it as a joke but here comes sjw to the rescue. MAYBE YOU SHOULD START BEING NICE AND NOT SHAMING PEOPLE FOR THEIR WEIGHT!!!!!! Which all this girl ever talked about was drinking wine. Every time she showed up late she would go SORRY YOU KNOW HOW SEDUCING THAT CUP OF WINE IS AM I RIGHT so I just replied with don't you have some wine to drink alone. Then this pissed her off more and she said “Well at least I can drink” Which I came back with if “I could drink I still would be drinking with friends”. Not the roast of the year or anything but to her it was like I struck her down and ruined her.
The rest of the class was just her and the teacher talking shit about me like it was high school not even shitting you. Days I wouldn’t show up my friend would tell me how they were constantly saying shit about me. 2D Animation class was fun at first and I did have some prior knowledge of this before coming into the class. Sadly this teacher sucked Disney's dick so hard that if you didn’t do something Disney would do it was wrong. I don’t know how many times I would see some kids make a insane animation just to be told HEY THAT AIN'T DISNEY THROW THAT SHIT OUT. Not exactly like that but you get what I’m saying. I ended up having to retake this class twice and failed both times because again I can’t animate like disney. Perspective drawing was sorta like the interior design class with the teacher giving me shit and telling me I’m just not trying to learn when her way of “helping us” was to just stare at the paper and say no that’s not how I would do it. She also taught the photoshop class and that was even worse. She would also just stand over you and keep repeating a tools name but never help you find the tool. Worst of all she took points off my final when the question was “what is photoshop used for. I put manipulating and editing photos. That was wrong. She wanted editing and cleaning images. Also another kid put the same answer I put though and got nothing taken from him. This was my least favorite teacher honestly. I also had this one class called Social Problems which was just 4 hours of hearing why trump is bad and watching shitty left talk shows. I ended up having to retake this class twice and still failed twice because the guy never liked my issues.
My two issues were sjw’s and how lying to get their way is wrong with false facts and stuff. This was definitely during the CNN stuff but I’ll keep that out as much as I can. My second topic I did was how people are milking the trans community for money. Which you think me being supported of the trans and letting them know not everything trans related on kickstarter is a good idea would of helped me but no I was apparently spreading hate speech. I will say though this one kid did a whole thing as to why gays are the devil. That was a great time hearing that. I could also tell the teacher was losing his shit with that. My final nail in the coffin was my 3d modeling class and math class. As soon as I walked into the class for 3d modeling I was asked if I knew the program 3ds Max which Blender user here so nope. Then I was told well guess you’re going to fail. Aren’t you supposed to fucking teach me the program or was the goal to come to this school with knowledge of the stuff before defeating the purpose of the learning part. As for the math part I went to art school because I’m bad at math. I didn’t want to do these quiz and test on the computer for math I forgot three years ago. Which It wouldn’t of been so bad if the teacher was able to help but when asked she would literally tell you. Sorry I actually don’t really know this stuff very well. Read the tips in the help menu. Sorry I don’t want to pay for a class that isn’t teaching me anything. There are other shitty classes and moments but I think you get the point. With all this being said I did have one class that was fucking great. I got to meet a man who worked on darksiders and Saints row 2. He was pretty interesting and actually taught me some useful stuff so is it worth it to pay 96k for two years only getting one useful class. Up to you.
Also I put a image to my second model I made recently in blender. This was all self taught from youtube and forms. It’s nothing great but at least its proof I learned more on my own than this school.
>>620440What the fuck is that? I've been learning from jewtube and experimentation for three months. Modelled and rigged this nigger earlier in the week.
I guess second model I ever made went over your head. Also three months is still more than what I have mate so probably why
Also clearly you and I are looking into different styles of modeling. I'm more into the low poly/cartoon style looks. stuff like from yonder, hat in time, deblob.
>>620443Okay. But what is it? Even my second ever model was less bad than whatever you've tried to make.I know it's a meme at this point, but you really ought to start with the blenderguru beginner series on youtube. JanSculpts would probably be good later on when you've picked up some more skill.
It’s just a monster I made mate. It’s not supposed to be anything else but that. Calm down mate. My bad I can’t be on your level.
>>620463Chill your beans! Just keep doing tutorials and you'll get there. Start with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT5oZndzj68&list=PLjEaoINr3zgHs8uzT3yqe4iHGfkCmMJ0PThere's tons of good stuff on this playlist too once you get a bit better: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOfeIBx8uZO2zps_g5V7AmTIPPytpqjWk
>>617944do you hate money and love debt?sure go ahead
>>617944Do cgma instead.Ai will leave you with debt. Reminds me of a girl who ended up a prostitute to pay off her debts from Ai.Enjoy becoming a male prostitute, that the only way to pay of the debt as Ai is crap and a scam.
>>622220>Reminds me of a girl who ended up a prostitute to pay off her debts from Ai.Gives new meaning to the notion of "ArtStation slut".
>>620437>Interior designwhy the fuck did you ever took interior design? it's from a completely different program, like seriously wtf>>620438>I ended up having to retake this class twice and failed both times because again I can’t animate like disney.this sound extremely weird, I mean my teacher at San Diego were adamant about not using short cuts often used in anime like drawing a blurred arc instead of animating a round-house and we followed the 12 principles of animation, but you can follow those at an apprentice level without having to draw to the proficiency or in the style of disney animators>>620438>“what is photoshop used forthat also sounds incredibly derenged, photoshop is used for a lot of shit. I mainly ended up using it to make textures. my drawing teachers were ok, perspective drawing ended up being a bit fastidious because of the cleanliness required>>620438>this one class called Social ProblemsI took math and all possible electives in friggin community college so I could learn shit like pottery and stuff, didn't had to take any electives at AI>>620439>I was asked if I knew the program 3ds Max which Blender user here so nope. Then I was told well guess you’re going to fail.Did this actually happen like you tell it?It is wrong for the school to assume you already know how to use a 3D modeling software. When I started at Ai San Diego I was extremely nervous about my first modeling class (3DMax). I did fine, but we started from the very fucking basics, the final project was modeling and texturing a simple prop such as a mailbox, garbage bin, or similar. We didn't even use UV mapping them, just selected faces and applied a material with some very basic texture to it. That being said, the AI is very clear that is doesn't care about whether you use Cinema4D, Blender, or whatever; if the class is a Maya class you are expected to do all the projects in Maya, same thing with 3DSMax. Same thing with Mudbox and ZBrush.
All their recruiters were curry niggers
>>617944hey, spent two years at Ai in a desert state. met a girl there and she was basically the reason I kept attending. They had a game degree I was taking. The online books were about 5 years behind the industry and I was taught outdated things like baking shadows. The school struggled finding game design teachers so they subbed animation and other art teachers to teach things. you'll love this next part, One instructor worked on a game and he was one of the main Game art teachers there. He was the animator for Bubsy 3D. I was so shocked when he announced that when I first took his class. I check the back of the jewel case and behold his name is on it. Because the curriculum was so out of date and the content being taught was so far behind, some student got together and took it to the state. ended up getting a settlement. So let me get this into your head, OP. You are always going to be behind being taught from a for-profit school. Going to school doesn't guarantee you a career. you need to put in a lot of hard work and have talent like any other art to make a living. I only suggest getting a degree if you make game-related content every day and enjoy doing it. start learning by yourself and see if you like what you are getting yourself into.I ended up switching to an online school and completing their online bachelor's course which was about another 2 years since for-profit schools don't transfer credits. good luck buckeroo.
>>623101>jpg normal mapFucking disgusting.
>>617944it really dependsI go there now and am graduating soonthey usually have experience in the field and know a lot of good basics that help in getting a good foundation. tutorials are great and cheap, but nothing like seeing the kind of work others are doing to motivate yourself to do betteryou need to go to the school ur thinking of and talk to the teachers and see their work. i did that and liked their skill and knew id be able to learn from them. also got a lot of knowledge about good places for resources while attending.if you can make it worth it, id recommend it. it helps with the push early on
>>617944For-profit universities are a scam. Seriously, do a little bit of research that doesn't involve asking 4chan and you'll have your answer. Even if you only look at the Wikipedia article for The Art Institutes, you'll know not to go.
My small anecdote for this thread: I know a guy who graduated from an Art Institute a few years back. He never made it into the industry and now works menial jobs. His portfolio is objectively terrible. He sucked before spending a ton of money on tuition and he still sucks now. It's honestly very sad.
>>623151>talk to the teachers and see their work.also, check the portfolio of their best students and ask where those people work nowregardless of whether it's the AI or any other institution (or any other major) if the recruiters/website/lurking cannot get you legit info on the names and portfolios of at least 5 or 10 recent graduates with industry jobs, then that institution (or at the very least that branch/campus) sucks ballsavoid going to any sort of school in which people sign up for 3D art but end up as baristas for the next five years (might be because they suck, but also it could be because the school sucks; decent schools should not let retards in)
No one that I know who attended one (different programs, different states) got a job of real significance in their degree.One of the Art Institutes (New England) is discredited. That should tell you how much of a fucking waste it is....I'll spell it out for you, that means your degree isn't real. It's worthless. Take it off the resume. What matters always comes down to not being a complete fucking aspie and portfolio. However you create your portfolio is up to you, there's been a lot of good advice in this thread, but basically: Don't fucking go.
>>620441that dude is from Boston Dynamics
>>624688yeah it's based on their spot mini. i forgot about this to be honest. maybe at some point i'll get around to improving his run cycle and making some other actions.
>>617944Ex-student here. Fucking no. Much like >>617976said, you can learn everything they teach you on your own and online. People I went there with were emotional fuckwits who cried at any critique. Literally cried.
>>627045+1If I had my time again I would not even think about going to college to study this shit. It is a total, *total* scam. Leave school, talk it over with your folks, borrow a couple grand for on a PC that'll be good for 2 years at least, get a Gnomon and Pluralsight subscription, get a diagnosis for ADHD so you can get Ritalin prescription and do not leave your room for 3 years. You will be 100 times better than the dicks that go to college and get themselves into a lifetime of debt. Unless you're really rich (and I do mean 'rich' - not just comfortably middle-class) and you can afford to go to the absolute top super mega exclusive colleges, you are throwing your money away.I guarantee - you will be taught by someone who hasn't got a fucking clue what they're doing and does not wanna be there and this is the only work they can get. Here's one for all anons who are looking at any kind of college course to look out for:When you're scanning the list of modules or whatever they're called, keep a look out for 'marketing' - Universities will try to cram a 'marketing' element into literally any course they can, regardless of how relevant it is, and they always justify it with some bullshit about how 'every student today needs an insight into how to properly present themselves blah blah bullshit blah....' and the real reason is that fucking *anyone* can teach marketing but that doesn't matter because there are literally millions of pricks walking around with some sort of marketing degree who can't get work. They're like rodents and they will work for fuck all - so Universities hire 'em and just pad out their bullshit scam courses with 'marketing' elements.If you see anything to do with 'marketing' scheduled on your degree - lube up because you're about to get screwed.
>>617944No don't do it. As others have said, just go to a public university to get an art degree if you must have one. That's what I did, but I also done married because putting all your chips info art is truly not smart unless you have rich parents. That said, you might not even need an art degree. Critiques and learning about new and old artists for inspiration, I'd say, is invaluable. You might be able to become an artist without the schooling, find info online, do with on your own, etc. But nothing beats a class full of students doing you too shreds.
>>617944I would not suggest going to art institutes... total scam. I wouldn't say that going to college is a complete waste either. I'm currently attending a uni that has a decent film program and I'm taking animation/vfx classes. Some of the connections I've gotten there have been fucking incredible. So if you have the budget for it and are down to be in debt a while after college then i would say go for it.But if money is a tight squeeze, honestly you can learn a lot of the things being taught by yourself.the only real benefit of college in this degree field is getting a jumpstart/easier point of entry to the industry.
>>627723>down to be in debt a while>a whileThis is what younglings believe.