fucking miners driving up prices, there is no good deals on any good video card anywhere, guys when is it going to end? am i fucked forever because i waited in hopes of lower prices?
hopefully soon. I'm sick of this shit. >muh graphics card is farming me a whole 10 cents worth of buttcoin a dayFucking worthless NEETs
>>608708>and it only cost me 40 cents worth of electricity.
I put off buying a new GPU about 18 months ago to wait for price drops. Worst fucking mistake ever. I'm running a 5 year old gtx 680.
I hope this bubble bursts so hard that a bunch of these miners kill themselves and I get to read about it in the news
My retarded friend got angry at me when I pointed out the electricity cost when he told me he made a little money letting his PC run 24/7 mining for a month
>>608723You shouldn't bully retarded people.
Miner here. Counting electricity, I got small profits (and free heating during the winter).But I’m also tired of this prices trend. Only a subset of the cards on the market are economically reasonable to use – you wouldn’t put a 1080 to mine, it mines practically the same as a 1070 but costs much more. The same happens with Radeon cards. However, people seem to buy all of them regardless, which is ridiculous.Thankfully there are still Radeon Pro at decent prices. Not sure about the NVIDIA counterpart, tho.
>>608743Quadros still cost the same as always because the margin on them was always absurdly high, which means that a P4000 is actually not a bad deal if you're a CAD monkey, something I'd never have expected to happen.
>>608712I think it's not likely to happen anymore. It survived a few catastrophic events (couple of forks shutting down and running with the "cash", India cracking down on BTC since it was being used to fund illegal shit) and recovered/is slowly recovering now in a predictable trend.What I think is more likely to happen is that blockchain difficulty will eventually be made so absurdly difficult that even doing mining with a dozen GPU's will become an unviable dead end. Once people realize it'll take them two to three years to get their investment back, they'll start turning to ASICs instead and companies will shift to meet that demand, freeing the GPU market from the miner stranglehold. It won't be so much as a bubble burst as a slow deflation that's going to start with higher-end GPUs and trickle down to mainstream options.
Lol fools, it's not going to end. Crypto currency is the future. Whole country of Sweden for example use digital payment instead of cash. 95+% payments are digital. Many others are similar. In 20 years crypto will take over as banks payments will be obsolete.
>>608783>>608706If you can't hold it, you don't own it.Cryptocurrencies are just as flawed as paper/fiat money. They are 100% dependent on working power grids and internet connections.You can ALWAYS buy bread or ammo for gold/silver in times of crisis.
>>608805Who is going to bake bread and sell you if society collapse? The thing none will sell you in a crisis is food and ammo. Read stories of people that been in civil war. And I can hold my harddrive, therefore I own my crypto currency. Digital currency that you actually own, independent of corrupt banks and government is the future.
>>608805You can't argue with retards like this shitter >>608812Cryptocurrencies are a fucking pyramid scam, but who cares, it's the fucking jews that are putting higher prices, the merchants.
>>608812>Read stories of people that been in civil warI lived through the Bosnian war. I was ten years old when NATO forces bombed our village. My family survived by melting down jewelry and silverware, allowing my father to buy food and a rifle. Your precious Bitcoins are worthless in a war.
>>608812Cryptocurrencies are worth shit in scenarios of technological/societal collapse. Even fiat cash has better prospects. And then there’s hard cash, and, even better, the good ol’ gun-to-your-head.But, please, keep buying. Societal collapse has a low probability of taking place in any given lifetime, and if it doesn’t occur in the near future we may get to benefit from crypto… somehow.t. Minerfag.
>>608857>>608831>>608820Base every argument on fictitious apocalypse scenario. Take off thinfoilhat, welcome to reality. Crypto is here to stay, crypto is the future.
>>608911Can you pay groceries and rent with your digital 1's and 0's?
>>608913Yes. Can you do it with your gold bar?
>>608914No.. but i can buy bread and ammo when shit hits the fan!
>>608772Nah, people will just switch to next profitable coin to mine.
>>608706You think that's bad? Waiting for gpu prices to drop? How about ram prices?If I want a new CPU I'll have to buy a new moba and DDRmeme4 ram to work with it.
>>609817had to buy ECC RAM for my xeon memestation. another $2700 down the drain.
>>608743I wonder what kind of shit you are breathing in from the off gassing of your rig.>>608749Yes, exactly. AMD Radeon Pro cards are also incredible deals. If you are serious about 3d, just get a workstation card.
>>609845>I wonder what kind of shit you are breathing in from the off gassing of your rig.lol, wut?
>>608743I mean, even if people weren't lapping up high-end cards like water on a desert, that wouldn't make this whole situation better. Your average consumer isn't going for the enthusiast, 800 - 1200$ cards anyway and the miners would still be clearing out retailers from 1060's/RX580's which as you said is the range of economically "viable" cards to use.I don't have a horse in this crypto race, but I do get kinda mad at miners. Not because they're using GPUs to do GPU things or because big GPU companies failed to see this coming so they didn't have a more enticing option ready for miners. I get mad that your average miner is apparently so shortsighted that he doesn't bother to look into the dollar value ratio and instead just goes around town clearing out every retailer he can get into. If it says GPU in the box, baby that's raw bitcoin right there and that's going in the cart, no questions asked.Your average miner should be forbidden from buying not just GPUs but all things in general, including food and water, until he can either prove that A: he isn't looking to take out a second mortgage and use the entire family's savings on this month's memecoin, or B: that he knows how to use google to do a bit of research before dropping 30.000 dollars in computer hardware.
Why even bother with high end GPUs though, I thought the majority of 3D applications and renderers used the processor.
>>609898you are fucked soon as you step into gamedev assets. substance /anything/ will melt your pathetic intel hd chip.
>>609898The GPU comes into play anytime something gets drawn on the screen. Offline rendering software is reliant on the CPU, There are also GPU renderers like Redshift, Cycles, and Octane. What you want is to eliminate bottlenecks in your hardware, you want a beefy gpu that can handle the work you do, and a cpu, fast enough to keep it fed. A beefy gpu sitting around waiting on the cpu is a waste of money.
>>609900Hyuck, you don't need a "high-end" GPU to do gamedev shit. Take a look at the rare gamedev post in our WIP threads or the /vg/ threads, the almost universal approach is always stylized 3D with a very reasonable amount of polygons or 2D. Maybe you'd need all that VRAM to do shit in Substance but more likely than not, your RAM is the thing that'll get slammed hard and not your GPU.You can get by just fine on a 1060 or something. Save the money sink cards for when you get hired or want to do renders on raytracers for Ikea or something.
>>6099491060 is a pretty good card to be honest.i have 270x and my life is full of suffering in substance painter. anything more than 2 folders (2 fills + 1 layer) of materials + couple masks literally kills my system and i have to wait 5 second for a stroke to draw. i tried everything including hand-packed uv's so it's 100% sure it's the card. but still, nowadays 1060 has the price of a high end card from 2016 so it's important to specify what "high end card" means: high price or high power.
>>609954Are you trying to author stuff in really high resolutions? 4k shit can really bring your viewport performance down. I also personally had problems with passthrough layers, SP doesn't take well to them at all. Otherwise the programs run pretty well and my PC is not top of the line by any stretch.
>>610089it doesn't even need to be especially high res, just use a decent amount of layers, blending masks etc.. Texturing with 3d paint is extremely taxing on the GPU. Gaming GPU's are a poor choice for using programs like Mari and Substance Painter.
>>608911How the fuck do you expect to connect to the blockchain to make the payment in the time of crisis? Communications (internet, phone, tv etc.) are going to be the first ones to go. Your bitcoins are going to be just ones and zeroes on your HDD worth exactly nothing. >>608914I can sell the gold bar and buy anything I want (AND I'm not held hostage by Chinese miners who can crash the whole thing at any time), while in the time of a crisis I can trade it directly.
>>610140Still basing every argument on a fictional doomaday scenario. In real life you use digital currency, lol. And you don't even own any gold, its just in your fantasy with your doomsday crisis scenario. Spot on!
>>610089viewport performance is okay, but layer calculations (the red line of suffering) are so fucking slow. especially if it is fills and masks. and it's 2k (export to 4k). >>610112are you saying quadro stuff is a better choice for substance? why people bother with gaming cards then? i have heard on a podcasts that people use 1080s for mari.
>>610169Quadros are still prohibitively expensive for what they offer. Mainstream cards do a very respectable job for a much better price, plus with something like a Titan XP which has some Quadro firmware-level features enabled, you can get a gaming card that will curbstomp anything out right now and likely for a long time to come, plus something that flexes about as well as you'd expect in productivity tasks.In my opinion, Quadros are not consumer cards, they are professional-oriented cards that studios buy in bulk to chew through rendering pipelines and such. It's cool that Mari was mentioned but technically speaking, the workloads in that and SP/SD that would require a Quadro are far beyond what your "normal" user should be scoping into and he should probably re-evaluate why he's trying to author textures in 16k for his models.
>>610151How about a governmental crackdown on Bitcoin/cryptocurrency in general? Something orchestrated by the top powers; imagine USA/China/Russia aligning themselves against non-government-backed cryptocurrencies.They would only need to forbid the operation of nodes, and the blockchain would die, taking your Bitcoin’s worth down with it.Governments don’t like their citizens being able to move cash freely, especially across borders, so I don’t think this scenario is improbable.
>>610182So the government is going to arrest anybody owning a cpu?
>>610213No. As I see it, the government could create laws that make operating a mining node illegal (by giving cryptocurrency the status of “counterfeit money” or something like that). Then it would be a matter of the policial and judicial systems going after everybody trying to “print their own illegal money”.
>>610169They bother with gaming cards because they are cheap, and for the most part they work. However the most you RAM you can get on a gaming card is 12GB, the most you can get on a current generation workstation card is 24GB. If you can get your work done without hitting that 12GB cieling you might be just fine with a game card. Once you start getting into 12GB price range for gaming cards, there are workstation cards with 16GB in the same range.Now RAM isn't the only the concern obviously, but it's one of the big reasons to step up to a workstation card. Knowing which card to get comes down to knowing how the work you do utilizes the GPU.
>>610229People would fucking riot in the streets if the government of a democratic country started cracking down on dumb virtual coins and branded every person who mined it after that a criminal. It's the equivalent of going to jail for collecting and trading MTG cards for real money or some shit. If right now we are going through the great bitcoin shitstorm, what would happen right after is the legendary bitcoin shit monsoon.
>>610229but in theory it's we, the citizens make the "legal" money legal
>>610255we will have a prep phase of terrorism sponsored by bitcoin and other heaps of bullshit for any taste before everyone using bitcoin will be branded as a criminal. you know, because it's gov. you are very naive if you think meme corps like google or jewbook are stronger than govs. and bunch of memers wasting silicon and power are not stronger than gov particularly.
>>610255>People would fucking riot in the streets if the government of a democratic country started cracking down on dumb virtual coins and branded every person who mined it after that a criminal.Call me a cynic, but I really doubt that. It’s not like they would be depending on cryptocurrency for their income and daily expenses, so most citizens probably wouldn’t care that a few people are getting forbidden to make “counterfeit money”. They’d possibly be happy even, that the government is saving them from “the bad guys” once again.
>>610182From one fictional thinfoilhat scenario to another... You still don't own any gold in real life and you use digital currency for all your purchases.
>>610255Half of UK lower court system is dedicated to persecuting people who don't pay TV licenses. Don't underestimate your "democratic" government.