>Got job offer>16 an hour>I have a year and half experience>I make 20 an hour with no taxes taken out cutting grassShould I try to negotiate and why is this industry such shit?
How much will you make cutting gras in 10 years?
>>584098grass cutting will be done via amazon robotsthe industry will be done via AI
>>584090Jesus Christ. What pisses me off the most is that e.g. shitty web devs/designers can make a bank by developing shit-tier personal websites duct taped with various frameworks that do everything for you, and on top of that get praised and looked upon as some smart IT people, while a 3D artist needs so much more than super basic technical knowledge to be good, yet there are companies that will pay almost nothing, like in OP.Inb4 supply and demand. I know, still it's not fair.
you are doing art for living
>>584110>$16/hr>THE INDUSTRY>>584114>you are doing art for livingAt that rate for 40/hrs/wk you will still be pulling in $30,254/yr after taxes, assuming you’re single and paying 10%. That’s not all the money in the world, but it’s not terrible/impossible to get by on that depending on where you live. And, again, you’re fucking making art for a living. You’re not gonna pull down 60k/yr after 1.5 years doing pretty much anything.
>>584118I guess my gf pulled a lucky straw or something. She only does 2D and After Effects. She's making 32 and hour making gifs as her first job.
>>584118>That’s not all the money in the world, but it’s not terrible/impossible to get by on that depending on where you live.99.999% of all studios are in california, incredibly expensive. You will live in absolute squalor at $30k a year. Traphouse level, roaches, ratslelelelel
>>584090Maybe I should switch majors
Yeah, I think that's about what I was making after 1.5 years. I'm a senior artist now and make slightly over $20 CAD an hour, so like $17 US. Plus more taxes.
>>584132thats absolutely awful pay. You know those guys working construction on the side of the road? They make easily 3x as much as you
>>584120>I guess my gf pulled a lucky straw or something. She only does 2D and After Effects. She's making 32 and hour making gifs as her first job.Well, firstly, she's a quota hire so yeah she'd have to be paid more. chances are though that that's all she'll ever earn from now on.Secondly, she's going to leave you. If a women earns significantly more than her partner she will, in general, believe she is "better" than said partner and as such look for someone equal to or greater than. Women, being as they are, almost always seek the latter.So sorry bucko; but at least you get to "do what you love :^)"
>>584132can u post img of ur work? im curious what the standard for a senior artist is.
>>584135not unless u got a bbc.
>>584132damn, im at $25/h CAD and I got 7 years of experience, i kinda feel ripped off nowi was at $16 when I started too though, the company was small and very amatuer
>>584132What's your job description? $20 is min wage here in Aus I'm expecting that as a junior
>>584141you get paid USD outside of the USA??
>>584142>$20 CAD>$20 AUDThey're the fucking same, that's why I'm comparing them
>>584144sounds like you're comparing apples to oranges
>>584135She's Vietnamese so the diversity hire is probably a big reason she got in. She kind of knows this as well.Guess I'll start putting "Hispanic" on my applications.
>>584137Which you most certainly don't
>>584145Faggots like you trying to troll every post are the reason this board is so garbage
>>584150stop shitposting. Its literally against the rulesto remind you, this is an american imageboard - not AUS, not CAN
>>584090Yeah I suggest you start looking for jobs outside of games/animation, I'm working at a well funded tech startup for 90k a year and I'm a new grad. The AR/VR boom is a good chance to get into tech companies looking for artists, I've been seeing places like Apple and Microsoft posting 3D artist positions.
>>584090Take the offer. Use them to better yourself. Tale newfound knowledge and freelance for like 40-60 an hour. Keep cutting grass in between contract/commission jobs.
You're sitting in your ass all day with zero risk. Anyone can pick up Blender and youtube and learn to be a '3D artist'. It takes a while to separate the good from the bad, and companies have to manage a whole bunch of other expenses, so they're going to cut costs where they can. Artists are a good place to start, I guess.Also chinese and Indians always do it for less.Bottom line: 3D art might require to learn a lot of technical things and softwares, but most of the stuff isn't exactly rocket science. Anyone who's not a retard could learn it. It's comfy, you don't need much equipment or resources. It's just a pretty cheap job desu.
>>584163LOL, anyone could learn programming on the internet as well, yet I heard about people getting hired after like half a year and with an enormous salary considering their knowledge and amount of experience. And don't tell me shitting out generic websites isn't cheap and easy. This is art after all, you could say one can learn a piano on YT as well, it's just pressing right buttons at the right time amirite? There's just more to it and the quality artists deserve more IMO.
>>584187Soon programmer monkeys will be replaced en masse by neutral network AIs. They have maybe 5 years left before they are obsolete.
>>584132That little? I made more than that serving food at the local pub when I include tip. Time to either kms or go back to whoring
Is it even possible to get really rich in this industry? What are some rich and famous 3DCG people and what area of 3D are they experts in? I don't actually know much about industry.
>>584203Only way would be creating your own extremely successful studio or selling a lot of content (tools, tutorials etc). Salaried you will never become super rich.
>>584203as company workers? maybe hussain diba?or maybe that guy that did the Jurassic park sculpts?Petur Arnorsson? maybe robert hodri (id software lead).kinda hard to tell, im not even sure. are you talking about 100k and up? i don't think you can get rich from 3d? but i could be wrong
>>584203I believe the rich people in the industry are the guys that are on the entrepreneurial side rather than the artists themselves. Like Ryan Kingslien that pimps all those artists for his site.
>>584090isn't the salary of a McDonald employee like 11 an hour? Who the hell works for this amount? Just do freelancing and if you're decent you should get at least 25 an hour
OP here. So I talked with her again. She said my salary would become 20 an hour after 3 months based on performance.They do have a free gym, tennis court, basketball court and benefits, not that I'll want to use any of my paycheck on benefits.Perhaps I'll secretly live in the building. I guess it's whatever, I'll take it. I don't want my skills getting rusty and it's a closer location to where more freelance work is. The people there at least seem cool.>>584223I'm actually thinking of starting to just starting to build contacts, create a "Studio Website", gain freelance work and basically assemble teams of struggling freelancers I know just to do the work. I probably wouldn't make any considerable money, just pay them well to basically build the projects that would prop up the company.Seems like the only ways to really get money is either by being a freelancer workaholic like my friend who sleeps 4 hours a night and makes 100k or to own a shop. I can't function on 4 hours of sleep like I did in college.
>>584090>Should I try to negotiateYES always negotiate, businesses can and will take advantage of you, so you have to stand up for yourself.
>>584090>Got job offer>16 an hourThanks, switching to programming in Python and C# right fucking now
>>584090Have you worked on any films before? It's all about your experience and what your reel dictates. You don't actually tell what kind of job you were contracted for and what is your position. Can you elaborate on this more? In film, junior position is the worst paid and some people are somehow forever stuck on that position. But after 2-3 years of experience no one should considered a junior any longer. This is in feature film however, not sure what you are actually doing and what is your specialization etc.
>>584223Damn I just googled that guy, he's got 'social media marketing guru' written all over him. His most latest thing is called 'Three ecosystems of creativity'
>>584273>no one should considered a junior any longer>>584276>His most latest thingWhy are these "tech" boards so full of Pajeets? You don't see this in any other boards.
>>584280Fuck, I got stuck between saying 'his most recent' and 'his latest'. I swear I'm not a pajeet. But the reason you're looking for is because it's a 'technical' field with a very low barrier of entry, and anyone can learn for free without schooling.
>>584259sounds good, but usually freelancers that have any skill usually tend to stay clear of intermediaries.
>>584120Outside of vidya, design jobs pay well. I started in industrial design at $40/hr, and I can get $100/hr as a contractor. This is before I graduate, as well. Vidya is a saturated field managed by the greediest of shitty companies. You think a producer that charges $60 for a game AND adds in $10 game-breaking micro-transactions cares about its employees?
So you attracted the attention of possible employers with a portfolio of yours? Could you post your portfolio, I'd love to see what other people have to start getting job offers
>>584146>She's VietnameseSee: >>584135>she's going to leave youKek, unless you are the whitest white boy with super pig skin and blue, lifeless eyes, she will 100% kick you.
>>584120>girlfriend>girlShe's probably artistic and quirky and fun. I'm not really experienced with the industry, but i'd say these look like a female profile characteristics they could be hired for.
Of course you should negotiate your salary. If you people aren't doing that that's probably why you're in this seat. I'm not HR but I'd imagine you could set up a timed wage negotiation where they take you on at a low salary (such as the offer) and then you negotiate your wage based on your demonstrated skill earlier than you'd normally do that. It's not that unusual. >>584109>webdevs make bankA bit of a myth but with what's minimum wage in a lot of countries as a standard then yeah they make bank by comparison.
>>584406Wages are not a function of how much you care about an employee
>>585682>he thinks his boss values him more than his own yearly bonusesIn vidya, if your employer could get away with paying you below minimum wage so he could hire an extra hooker a year, he wouldn't pay you at all so he could afford two.
>>585684Learn to read, retard
>>585682they literally teach "this" at business schools
This happen to me too OP, now I making a porn game for living on patreon. I make about 4K usd a year.I was working for some pretty good artist at my old job. Did a ton of overtime that was unpaid and I calculated I made less than minimum wage including unpaid overtime.Working for other people is a scam. People will sell their grandmother for a million pound. People would abandon there family for money.
>>5856884k usd a month woops.
>>585688>now I making a porn game for living on patreon. I make about 4K usd a year.>I make about 4K usd a year.how do you "make a living" off of 4k a year?
>>585684This can't be true, at least not for every game dev. I've seen plenty of 3D artists in vidya industry, and they managed to stay in it for years and seem happy. I'm not even sure if this is some kind of meme here on /3/ to constantly post how vidya industry is one of the worst industries to be in.
>>585704>I'm not even sure if this is some kind of meme here on /3/ to constantly post how vidya industry is one of the worst industries to be in.you dont have a union, you wont have retirement, you wont get benefits like insurance, you most likely will be fired when the product ships.Much better to work for the govt for 20 years, retire, and then collect.
>make about 18/hr>have compsci degree>3.5 gpa and 2 years experienceHey at least you're not me
Does Solidworks pay well.
>>585727If you're certified.
>>585708yeah but who the hell wants to work for the govt