What's the point of having concave topology on the pupils/iris? I keep seeing people make cartoony models like that but couldn't find any analysis on why.
It's usually used with refracting corneas, which makes the eyes look convex anyway, but the concave nature of the stuff underneath is a little more realistic.
anime sculptures do the same thing, pic related
>>569914Dam, she's hot.
Seems to me that the light hits it and creates realistic shadows. More and better depth perhaps.
>>569938have you ever and I mean EVER noticed concave or refracting corneas IRL? No? Well then it doesnt matter in 3D. Jesus sheeple
>>569941Its a really obvious effect in real life and doing convex lenses in 3d makes it look like a puppet. Your real eyes are convex too with a layer of fluid on top creating the refraction effect. Why would you not want to replicate this?
>>569914It's a cheap approximation of how the iris reflects light that's taken over CG cartooning like a virus. You are a heretic in the CG world if you refuse to give your characters these horrible eyes.
>>569946>Its a really obvious effect in real life how come I'm pushing 40 and havent noticed it even once IRL
>>569959>People are using easy tricks that look good to the masses to be lazyTHOSE BASTARDS.
>>569967My problem is how it limits character designs. All CG cartoons I see have cartoons with these same boring eyes. It literally looks like the same studio makes all these characters.
>found source>character is blackDisappointing. Nice tits though.
>>569969Eh. Most normies don't care. Personally I'm starting to hate CG movies because of this. They all look the fucking same.
>>569914Probably because that is the correct form of a pupil / iris.This is hardly the limiting factor in unique design. >>569967How do these eyes differ from real life eyes? The iris is concave, and the cornea refracts the iris. What solution is more ideal than modelling as true to life as possible? You can still stylise this technique to create unique results.
>>569974I was making fun of him, I don't really agree with what he said. I do however agree that too many CG characters look the same now. It's really annoying to have so much same face going on.
>>569914She look like Noa from skydoll comics ( greats ! )very well made
>>569962Because you aren't very observant and a poor artist.
>>569941You're saying you've never looked at an eye from a near front on angle, and noticed the iris is concave, then observed from a side angle that the cornea refracts the iris and appears convex? I can recall observing this effect as a child in my cat's eye. I know i've observed it multiple times since. You must be horribly blind to the world around you.
>>570107Howd u do tha hair
>>570107She looks like my ex ;_;
>>570107That's a prime example of how the choice of shading can completely ruin an otherwise really nicely done 3D artwork.The way he did that model was obviously intended to go for a toony approach but for some reason he decided to use a (badly executed) realistic shading.Especially the eyes became horrifying nightmare material because of this.
>>570108Seconding this, modelling hair seems horribly difficult, surely there's some tricks to making hair.
>>570108>>570125At least in Blender it's a fucking piece of cake.Basically you do a couple straight hair strand shapes. Maybe 4. Some fat and some thin strands.You do complete hair by posing some bezier curves over the head and apply fitting hair strands you modeled to the particular bezier curve. Most of this is even quick copy+paste after the initial modeling and posing the strands is easy as fuck too.
>>570127>Blender>easyI don't think so. It's easy in your mind if it's full of Blender Foundation propaganda but when you actually do it, well, two months later and you'll be waiting for the next version that will supposedly solve all your problems.
>>570129A almost feel sorry for you. The blind hatred made you go full retard.The concept is working in almost every 3D program by the way.
>>570123You wanted the guy to fall for the toon shading meme? I've seen many beautiful models get fucked over because of that shit.
better than 99% of /3/
>>570134yeah but this guy doesn't visit /3/
>>570123do you imply cell shading would make it look better?cell shading is awfull
>>570133>>570136>"toon" appropriate shading automatically means cell shading no wonder everyone on this board achieves nothing
>>570134Is that suposed to be done the weave looks like plastic.
>>570134awesome character this style is so pleasing and cute, but I don't want to make thi style, even though I'm trying to achieve stylized look on characters which I'm making...
>>569914stop posting my stuff thanks!
>>570137What is ""toon" appropriate" shading then?
>>570196Simple textures, sharp shadows and lots of subsurface scattering seems to be the way to go. Or just create a bit sharper shading with falloffs. I'd say 80% of the toon stuff just comes from the geometry itself.
>>570198This man knows his stuff.Also, fucking work the brightness levels. You never see Plebney do dull or underexposed shit.
>>570198post some examples
>>570257Anything made by Pixar for the SSS and geometry stuff. For falloff shading stuff, one example would be TF2. Not the cinematics, but the in-game character models. For some reason they ditched the toon shading in the Source Film Maker videos.
>>570171I want to texture your work! I'm a good texture artist.. can I contact you on your website?
>>570134>that subtle leg fat sticking out over the stockings
>>570266So you want very render intensive stuff like subsurface scattering with real time shaders? Is that even possible?
>>570134i didnt know black woman can be so hot
>>570349>skindentation>>570365real time SSS exists
>>570171Kill yourself fucking faggot.
>>570147Can you give us some examples of what kind of style you're looking for?
>>570436I'm kinda trying to be my own style, I hope it'll be likeable after some iterations, This is my second one. I'm not saying that it'll be very different or anything. but it does not look exactly like Disney or Anime. I have posts of full body in previous WIP, I made the goal to finish this character in a week, but after 2 days I got a freelance work, trhen I got another one and then another one... Soo I have not fulfilled my goal at all..
>>569914This isn't new.Concave pupils is borrowed from sculpting.Dating back over 1000 years, sculptors have cut the pupil out of the stone or clay to capture and sometimes emphasize that feature (gives the face a more realistic "pop").3D digital artists that laser scan sculptures end up with this effect. Other 3D digital artists have recreated it on their own as well.
>>570365>subsurface scattering with real time shaders? Is that even possible?rough real-time approximations of sss are common in aaa nowhttp://www.adriancourreges.com/blog/2015/11/02/gta-v-graphics-study/
>>569941>i haven't consciously noticed X before>therefore X is unimportant for 3d artthis is why everything you make is shit.
>>570471Hardly an approximation, GTA V uses some sort of blur pass to fake SSS. It doesn't look so bad when you are playing but when you stop and look at it, half of it doesn't make sense.
>>569962You're probably a shit artist desu.
>>570665>fake SSS>Hardly an approximation???what is fake sss if not an approximation of sss? anyway i remember even skyrim shipped with some really rudimentary sss effects. the characters had a prebaked sss mask that defined which parts of the body were to have a reddish tint. that's all you really need to call something an approximation of sss.
>>570763I'd like to think a SSS approximation would actually attempt to fake translucency.
>>570107she looks like my ex...........................
>>569914because that's their actual fucking shapelook in a mirrorjesus christ
>>571119>tfw your iris is so dark you can't tell where it ends and your pupil begins.
>>571119Not really, but it does look better.