Anybody ever seen an alternative to Patreon?This orange logo is everywhere, even on sites that clearly break their no-loli policy. Patreon really love to look the other way until people actually bother to complain about somebody, at which time they just shut down the account.Are there any other similar monthly donation services that allow you to be Anonymous?I don't want to support Patreon's hypocrisy and risk myself getting shut down when they simply stop pretending that they aren't aware about what a user is doing. Trying to get supporters to later move to a different service would be near impossible.
Also before anyone says anything I posted this on 3DCG because it's for my 3D project and I'm 100% sure any kind of info on this subject would interest other browsers on this board.
Patreon is fucking stupid. Paypal has a direct payment link. There's google wallet too. Bitcoin if you do that shit.
>>557296remember i want it to be anonymous, meaning the people that are donating to me will see my account name on the service but that's it. they must not be able to track me down IRL (not via my bank or PayPal or name/address).
Patreon's hypocrisy? Would you take the risk of beeing made responsible for illegal stuff sold through your web service? Do you really think that Patreon has thousants of employees monitoring every account 24/7? Are you that naive? You clearly must be a Trump voter. Back to /pol/ with you.
>>557296Patreon offers more convenience to users compared to those two services. Paying requires almost no information to be provided besides a credit card number, payments go through automatically on a subscription basis, and pledge rewards are displayed clearly and conveniently for you.Not saying you can't do this stuff with other services, Patreon just joins them all together in one place. One major beef I have with Patreon pledges though, is when the author of an artwork puts a banner to advertise his page *right* in the image instead of the description or similar. When you're shilling for yourself right on your artwork, it kinda takes away from the art part of it.
>>557341Pretty much thisIt's easy to personify big companies into this singular identity that is "evil" or "good".In reality, it's a bunch of people with their own ideas and morales working for a common function: maintaining and running Patreon as a whole. Everyone wants everyone to be held accountable. To live by morales that may come as common sense to most of us. But businesses have exploded in sizes and they no longer carry the luxury of choosing employees that fit in with their ideas. The world isn't a "bad" or "good" place. It's just a place.
>>557292Loli is a victimless crime. Don't you have some other feminist shit to bitch about?
>>557292I dont think there really are any alternatives
>>557292>no loli policyHow come this guys makes dough? https://www.patreon.com/Mantis_X
>>557341What on earth does Donald Trump have to do with anything here?
>>558090B/c they're 18+ apparently.
>>558090Or Rivaliant for that matter?search him yourself at your own risk
What kind of loli stuff u makibg senpai?Hoping it's not some worthless DAZ SFM shite
>tfw no decent oppai loli artistWhy do they ALL LOOK SHIT!
>>558090>5k+ per monthWhy the fuck did I think getting an Accounting Degree was a good idea when I could just made cut-paste-same-face-degenerate-fetish stuff?I have to put in a full 60h week EVERY WEEK just to reach 4k.
>>558115>Rivaliant is creating Student 3D ArtworksSo this is how you justify stuff like this to keep your conscience clean. "It's nothing serious, I'm just a student! It's student projects!"Whatever helps that guy sleep at night.>>558177Mantis is an especially egregious example, because most of his animations are extremely similar. Every girl has the same copy-pasted face and body topology, there's no set-up on his scenes, just a girl looking at the camera like she's got autism, and the same tired loops over and over again.It looks like he can't even be bothered to come up with some different facial expressions. But he makes 5k a month which really makes you think about what people really want.
>>558180i was pretty impressed with mantis at first but that wore off quickly due to the reasons you listed. that motherfucker is coasting hard
>>558090>>558177>>558180>>558186You think Patreon just turns a blind eye and would bring the hammer down if someone complained or is Mantis actually in the clear somehow?
>>558202>You think Patreon just turns a blind eye and would bring the hammer down if someone complainedNot really. He's already covered himself by putting 18+ up front and center. Past any legal issues, it's the patrons that have to stop giving Mantis or any other creator pledges for him to go away. The only way that would feasibly happen is if the creator stops uploading content altogether or creates some sort of drama towards his patrons. So it would feasibly never happen. Especially to a guy who's making 5k a month.
>>558015it sounded like he was stating a fact, not preaching, you fucking nerd
>>558090FUCKING 5 GRAND A MONTH!?!?!?!Wish I was making even a quarter of that from my work
>>558257Wanna partner up?
Do you think if I did NSFW stuff as good as Dylan Ekren I would be able to make money off patreon. I pretty much gave up character art as it seems like a dead end. I studied a lot of anatomy took courses from the best anatomy person. The problem is there seems to be no money. I'm currently learning how to texture in substance painter and designer, so it not like I'm doing nothing that would help. I see these people make a ton of money from patreon.
>>558261Me too plsI know some 3dsmax and blender and have a couple years of experience with sfm and daz shit, got 200 followers on pixiv in just three weeks from my hacky loli shit, I think we can do at least 1500 a month with three hacks making low effort fetish crap
>>558263I'm still waiting for the day I see a 3d porn with this level of quality and style. I'm so tired of seeing generic daz models with shitty renders all over the place.
>>558266There's a couple of people as talented as that on this fucking board, I know I've seen them but they're very proud and averse to this degenerate shitI saw one guy making very low effort sfm beast stuff with 1600 patrons, making at least 8k a month, $5 being the min pledgeThat guy making even lower effort ugly as fuck DAZ goblins is making $450 a monthIt's not about talent just about being daring
>>558270Patreon is ridiculously profitable for some reason. Apparently people don't know where to shove their money up to so they spend it on disfigured daz crap with shitty animations.Although I haven't seen anyone in this board produce quality stuff like that. The pic u posted is like artstation or cgsociety tier work. There might be 1 or 2 teapots, but I just haven't seen any.
>>558263Those knees really kill an otherwise good model.
>>558180Do they have Downs Thiccnesssrs
>>558180>But he makes 5k a month which really makes you think about what people really want.Who was that Anon who basically noted exactly this and started taking advantage of it by just ripping people off?
>>558257>>558261>>558264In other news, three 3D animators were found dead in what is believe to be a triple suicide. There last message was:
>>558263Holy shit, she's perfect ;_;>pls VR+Fleshlight, take me away so I can be happy
When it comes to 3D artists on Patreon, which artists have you noticed are the most popular? I've always thought the rule34 content makers always trump the original creations.
>>558306https://www.patreon.com/fekthis was posted in the other thread.probably the highest grossing 3d artist on patreon. maybe even the internet at 300k a year.furshit sells like crazy.
>>558316Pretty sure Sakimichan earns slightly more than him (however long her "terms" are, she pulls roughly $30k per).The fact this guy (who essentially makes low-tier furry fap games) makes more cash than Ilya Kuvshinov is hilarious to me.
>>5580905kWelp, time to make fictional porn.
>>558321llya kuvshinov just traces other people work and does the same faces over and over again. I'm sort of glad.
>>558335what fetishes are ya planning to corner son, remember there can be only one of these fuckers making a given fetish at a time and vanilla shit ain't gonna cut it
>>558337I was reading a lot of goblin slayer. Maybe, you can do a D&D type game
>>558337Maybe an illusion type game with better graphics and as much fetishes implemented as possible.More fetishes = more audience.
>>558316Wow.Just.Wow.Thanks mom and dad for telling me to quit because "You're almost 25 Anon, you need a real career..."300kThree-hundred-thousand dollars per year.A six figure salary that people murder others to have, to live a life that other spend their entire lives striving for only to be crushed.Why would you even work for another person and/or company? You'd earn a third of that after working maybe seven years in an industry that can fire you any time profits aren't high.I'm here, in a cubical, in a city I can barely afford because that's where the "real" jobs are. I'm here busting my ass for someone else, to make them richer, dealing with pieces of shit daily for 60 hours a week. I'm here getting fat, taking medication for work related anxiety (gf of four years dumped me accordingly because we're "going separate paths in life"), and we have our quarterly "Review" (or Guillotine as we like to call it) coming up. I've built a fucking program from the ground up, dealt with dumb ass team-members who shirk work (but "No excuses Anon, it's YOUR responsibility"), and the fact is my Boomer boss has never particularly liked me.Wages are stagnant, costs keep increasing, getting pushed further to the fringes, got denied a raise and then given a warning for "lack of output", I'm going to have to move in to a share house with five other people two hours away from work to make ends meet and repay my college debt.>>554029 was right.If I get fired within the next six months I'm going to seriously consider whether it's worth going on like this for another, what? Ten, twenty years? Just to have a lower quality of life, just to exist like a Prole and be thankful for the privileged.
>>558316Christ almighty... I wonder how the guys who make this much money apply it.Like, do they put some of it on a savings account or invest it to guarantee themselves a stable future, or do they blow it all on consumer shit?
>>558316>Uses Blenderp and Unity>"I've been participating in the furry community (July 2014)300k in only three years. Let that sink in...>I worked as a front-end developer for six years, while building mobile/web games on the side.Not back-end, front, the easy shit.>I've been building games since high school.So this dude is, tops, in his mid-20s. Why aren't you making over 100k per year Anon? What's stopping you? :^)>I work alone. I write the code, I make the art, I animate the art, I license/record and edit the audio. It's just me, doing what I love to do, and getting paid to do it.So his dev time is probably enormous with regular but small updates, and yet there you go. 300k.Well at least he's probably an autistic lose->I have a mortgageOwns his own house/apartment.>plus a mouth to feedHas a kid.I bet he's 6'2", has a seven inch cock, fucks on the reg, full head of hair, and can bench press a small car.
>>558416I wonder how the family feels about the furshit career. Must be real awkward at bring-your-dad-to-work day....who the fuck am I kidding, the wife probably has a statue of a syberian husky she prays under every night for good fortune. The kid's probably living like a superstar buying shit for all of his classmates at school.
>>558316>2,823 patrons>$25,030This...is...incredible. For such a small product. It's still too taboo for big companies to exploit. The patron count alone fucking shocks me, such a small amount of people...there has to be other things like this. Something people want that doesn't exist, but can be virtually created. Supply and demand directly. I just took at some other creators, and they have roughly 2k patrons, but are only receiving $5k a month, which still isn't that bad at all.This is blowing my mind. This is motivating.
>>558434>This is blowing my mind. This is motivating.This is depressing.
>>558434>I just took at some other creators, and they have roughly 2k patrons, but are only receiving $5k a month,Because they charge $1 to access everything.This motherfucker starts at, what? $2, $5 as a thankyou but no reward?I'm noticing that people are willing to pay WAY more than what most artists ask.Fuck, some are even willing to pay $100 PER MONTH.