How easy is it to steal and plagiarist other people CG art, or Models, etc, and pass them of as yours? Almost Got caught. Want to work harder to cover my tracks. Pic related
KYS like the little faggot you are.
>>550263>Muh intellectual Property
>>550253How do you "almost" get caught stealing 3d models? Isn't it something that simply happens or not?
>>550267>How do you "almost" get caught stealing 3d models?A few people in my class mention that my models looked suspicious, which my teacher starting asking question>Isn't it something that simply happens or not?Not necessarily.
I'd call you Monty Oum, but he's dead.Also it's painfully obvious that you're ripping off tda. You didn't even bother to change the topology, you just moved verts around like a deviantart autist.Why would you even do this? Isn't the point of a class>>550269To learn?
>>550296>Monty OumJust because he's gifted and you're not doesn't mean you can slander him.
>>550296>copying face topo for anime modelsSeriously? Anime face topo is the last thing we should give a shit about being ripped, all these faces look (and will be shaped) almost exactly the same, and I don't see why it should matter to anybody unless OP is specifically taking credit for the topology (in which case fuck him)
>>550303>implying(You)>>550311the thread is misleading. OP should've specified that screenshot isn't even his.It's a comparison other people on the internet have made between rwby models to mmd.Roosterteeth didn't just take credit, they profited off these models.It really isn't "copying face topology" it's just copy+pasting a model and re-arranging verts so you can say it was "transformative". It's lazy, and there's a huge difference.I'm still wondering why OP would plagiarize in school. You don't even learn anything that way.
>>550315>I'm still wondering why OP would plagiarize in school. You don't even learn anything that way.My Parents was sick during a extending period of time in which I had to take care of them. I was supposed to do a 3d model and well I couldn't, so I plagiarize. Shit reasons but Better than the Alternative. And I am most likely getting caught>Roosterteeth didn't just take credit, they profited off these models.>It really isn't "copying face topology" it's just copy+pasting a model and re-arranging verts so you can say it was "transformative". >It's lazy, and there's a huge difference./co/ opinion on the matter:Here's the thing.First of all, I've seen someone compare Weiss' ponytail model to an entirely different ponytail model than that one. So it's possible that they just look similar because they're generic spiral ponytails. Plus, the top of that purple ponytail is a lot wider than Weiss'. And while Yang's is similar to that hairstyle, it's not a 100% exact match.Second of all, if models were stolen, it's likely on Monty, not Rooster Teeth. Rooster Teeth may not have known about stolen assets.Third, it's actually been proven that they BOUGHT models to use in RWBY. For example, you can actually legally buy the model they used for the volume 2 version of the Atlesian Paladin. And I've seen someone say before that there are models you can legally get for free for Poser Pro. As such, I would like if people could track down the exact, actual models that were allegedly stolen and ask the people who put them up for download if they made those models or bought them and converted them for MMD use.I've looked around for models to use in MMD, and not all of them were MADE by the people who put them up for download! There are plenty of them out there that were ripped from games or downloaded for other programs and then converted into .pmd or .pmx files! I've actually downloaded MMD models of pokemon that were ripped from Pokemon games and converted!
>>550318>First of all, I've seen someone compare Weiss' ponytail model to an entirely different ponytail model than that one. So it's possible that they just look similar because they're generic spiral ponytails. Plus, the top of that purple ponytail is a lot wider than Weiss'. And while Yang's is similar to that hairstyle, it's not a 100% exact match.Pic for context
>>550318Stop spreading lies, Velvet's/whoevertheothergirlis' hairstyle isn't exactly unique minus the rabbit ears.
>>550318I personally don't buy that they copied the hair, but I could see the face models being copies just because of how very similar the topology looks to tda. There's also the texture similarities (look at the ears tho).>I've looked around for models to use in MMD, and not all of them were MADE by the people who put them up for download!tda made the entirety of his model and put it up for download. It's 100% his, and that's the model people usually compare to rwby's faces, because they look so similar. The topology alone is just so suspicious.We really can't ever know for sure tho, mostly because Monty is well, dead.
>>550323Would that make Monty a Hack?
>>550332Monty never claimed to be a 3D genius. He wanted to make animu and learned how to use Poser to do it because it was faster than making 2D animu. That he "ripped off" most of his models is besides the point. He wanted to tell a story not spend time learning how to 3D model.
>>550253>how easystep one: have internet
>>550367Which is a lame excuse if you actually think about it.
>>550318If it's a college class, talk to your advisor and tell them your situation and see if you can Withdraw (it's like an F but it doesn't hurt your grades)
>>550394No it isn't, story telling is such a huge demanding process that requires so many disciplines that many successful artist in this field end up outsourcing or take some shortcut in some aspect of the process
>>550367Bullshit.This would be a valid argument if he didn't have an entire fucking team working on rwby.I'd excuse it if it was all one dude, but roosterteeth was involved, and they're FAR from a small indie studio.If he just wanted to tell a story he should've wrote a fucking book instead of stealing models.Plus rwby's story and characters really aren't anything fantastic. It's generic anime made more accessible to westerners. Complete with stereotypical anime archetypes and ebin naruto fight scenes.Claiming all the effort went into the writing is a cop-out, lazy excuse.
>>550413You're just jealous he achieved his dream. While you are here forgotten and angry.
>>550417im just jealous he died, while im here retarded and alive
>>550323>I personally don't buy that they copied the hair, but I could see the face models being copies just because of how very similar the topology looks to tda. There's also the texture similarities (look at the ears tho).
Are you fuckers blind? Those are pretty clearly rips. And speeding up workflow or being passionate are not excuses. If a big game company or studio stole some shit you modeled and tweaked it a bit and used it, how mad would you be? Again, if it was just Monty doing his weeb shit by himself and not profiting off of it, it would be like all the other random remix vids out there. But taking shit and claiming to have made it, or not crediting original artists is shit. Yes it's true that many productions buy models to save time, but I find it a bit dubious in the case of these MMD chars.
>>550253it is really hard to get caught plagiarizing 3d unless the accuser is the original creator. there are rare cases like yourself where you didn't even bother to cover your tracks. idiots like you deserve to be caught.
why steal it when you can just tell people you didnt do it bruh take an f like a man shit is not that serious, i tell the truth to people i dont like cause most people cant handle the truth
Have people just being Hyping Monty Oum? I mean all of his fans keep saying his a prodigy with no equal.
>>550550They should feel grateful that their models are being used instead of being angry. They weren't as gifted as monty
>>550554He's not special at all. roosterteeth fans are just autistic as hell and will defend this shit to the death.
If you didn't even retopologize you deserve to get caught.
>>550253>plagiarizing easy weebshit models>not even putting in the minimal effort to retopo that shit.I hope you get caught.
Who did it better?One guy with alot of time to sparehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJRWJ3wOXjs&t=58sOrA Fully Staff team of Animators https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sGiE10zNQM
>>550408>>550417>>550560Monty was a hack 10 years ago and he still is.>>550584This fucking guy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
>>550584>a fully staffed team of animatorsI honestly don't understand what the fuck the 6 animators in the credits did.90% of the first 3 volumes were mocap, and it becomes really hard to defend rwby through all it's flaws after learning that.You really don't need 6 people to clean up mocap data. I don't get it.
>>550579This, also, its quite simple just don't be dumb, use common sense.
>>550589I don't even defend it. I just say that it is an alright show and if you don't like it then I respect your opinion.Vol. 4 is coming together pretty well though.
>>550578t. Jealous anon who can't do hald the things monty does
>>550597I thought volume 4 was weak in both animation and in narrative.
>>550677Well I am not hard to please.
>>550553Why is it a big name company can steal models and other illegall shit with no repercussion. But people like OP does it they get punished?
>>550319Here's the thing.First of all, I've seen someone compare Weiss' ponytail model to an entirely different ponytail model than that one. So it's possible that they just look similar because they're generic spiral ponytails. Plus, the top of that purple ponytail is a lot wider than Weiss'. And while Yang's is similar to that hairstyle, it's not a 100% exact match.Second of all, if models were stolen, it's likely on Rooster Teeth, not Monty. Monty may not have known about stolen assets.Third, it's actually been proven that they BOUGHT models to use in RWBY. For example, you can actually legally buy the model they used for the volume 2 version of the Atlesian Paladin. And I've seen someone say before that there are models you can legally get for free for Poser Pro. As such, I would like if people could track down the exact, actual models that were allegedly stolen and ask the people who put them up for download if they made those models or bought them and converted them for MMD use.I've looked around for models to use in MMD, and not all of them were MADE by the people who put them up for download! There are plenty of them out there that were ripped from games or downloaded for other programs and then converted into .pmd or .pmx files! I've actually downloaded MMD models of pokemon that were ripped from Pokemon games and converted!
>>550986Its called capitalism
>>550253>Want to work harderThere you go.
>>551212oh i'll take a bite alright.
>>551212I don't get the pic
>>550586Otaking is fucking amazing.
>>5505601/10 made me post a reaction image
>>550586How long did it take to make this?
has anyone got the link/pic of monty asking on steam forums how to import MMD models?
>>551677I second this.
>>550413>if he didn't have an entire fucking team working on rwby.He had himself and Shane Newville. He taught Shane how to import Blender rigs into Poser and took Shane under his wing. Shane's blog entry about how RT fucked him as soon as Monty died made it very clear there weren't other devs esp. considering how desperate they were to get Shane's laptop. The remaining team were either prop/clothing modelers and audio/video postproduction. If Monty created a pipeline for converting MMD rigs to Poser that's reasonably impressive since the known pipeline for converting them to DS compatible rigs is a pain in the ass, and he was a certified Macfag as well. The Weiss head comparison is damning and goes a long way towards helping explain RT's desire to move to Maya where they could start over with scratchbuilt models for "aesthetic" reasons and quietly bury anything with questionable IP issues.>>551019>they're generic spiral ponytailsThere's nothing generic (or quick) about hair modeling. You don't accidentally create an object with the same number of planes, extruded and curved the same. It's *possible* that a RWBY modeler manually copied the design and made minor modifications along the way but if the original hair mesh was available, it's just as likely they imported and modified it directly.
>>551728Didn't Roosterteeth Fire Shane?
>>5516734 years. >>551728Didn't know he is dead.Even though i don't like his stuff and called him a hack earlier i am kinda sad that he died this young.RIP
If you do some research into art appropriation and incorporate that into your project, the research might be interesting and persuasive enough to justify your actions and make it sound more interesting than just copying someone elses cg art. Youre not just stealing an image of a face, you're appropriating and recognising your influences etc etc
>>551728Why did they choose to animate in Poser anyways? Couldn't they do it in SFM or something?
>>551859That sounds almost pretentious and bullshit enough to work.
>>550269Oh, in school. Yeah, be careful with plagiarism accusations. The burden of proof for you teacher is a lot lower than a court of law.Also, it costs nothing for your professor to accuse you, where as lawyers charge a hefty rate.My point is, you'll have an easier time swiping artwork in the real world than you do in school.
1. Plagiarism is a term for writing, not stealing models.2. It's actually not wholly unknown that the RWBY crew bought some models in volumes 1 and 2. In fact, Monty bought models for the Paladin in volume 2 and (I think?) the giant robot in the Black Trailer. Plus, Poser Pro also has a library of free-to-use models you can download.It's entirely possible that they bought and downloaded models from legal sources, and the people who used some of those models also used those same legal sources.3. That Weiss one is not an exact match by a longshot.Ruby's boots look similar to Amy's boots, but it may not be a ripped model. To be honest, some of the outfit designs Monty used for characters are based on actual existing clothing to make things easier for cosplayers, so if Amy's boots are similar to actual existing boots, that could be one reason.Sun's shoes - actual existing shoesWeiss' SnowPea dress - actual existing dress, with slight differencesBlake's pants in her Intruder outfit - actual existing pantsNeptune's jacket - an actual existing jacket (in fact, Monty owned a blue version, if I recall)Probably other examples, for the sake of cosplayers, same reason he included pockets and pouches on the characters' outfits as often as possible.4. The faces... are generic anime faces. To be honest, probably easier to mimic MMD's general style of turning anime style into 3D than to find a unique way to do it.5. I've been in the fandom since the Yellow Trailer got put on Youtube, and I never saw anything about people accusing them of stealing models or Rooster Teeth throwing around legal threats until now.
>>552154>1. Plagiarism is a term for writing, not stealing models.No. Any dictionary will tell you that you're wrong.------------------------------------------------------------------pla·gia·rismˈplājəˌrizəm/nounnoun: plagiarism; plural noun: plagiarisms the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own
>hurr they didn't steal the head models
Jaune a best.
>Can we not? Seriously? Can we not?>First of all. The entire idea of a bunny girl isn’t that strange. They’re both inspired off the rabbits. Have you seen the amount of bunny girls who look like that in anime? I just. Wow.>Unless somebody’s got some really elite tech and 3D skills in there. The models in RWBY were made in Poser. From what I do know of MMD, their models are made often in OTHER PROGRAMS.>The way Poser handles hair is different from a MESH. It’s literally done with calculations of hair strands.>And to state. Hairstyles like these are not that uncommon. And wow wow look at the differences in those bangs. I know it might not seem like much, but believe me, when you’re working in high poly models like these, hahaha. GOOD LUCK MODIFYING THINGS.>It is a JERK trying to edit high poly models without knowing what you’re doing. Especially when it’d done for animation, cause weight painting.>But again. RWBY models were done in Poser. So hahaha. :|>So. Again. COMMON HAIRSTYLE FOR A VERY COMMON JAPANESE THEME. And let’s not forget how anime inspired RWBY is.What did /co/ mean by this?
>>552169>not citing your reference
>>552262motherfucker. That was infuriating to read.Guy's acting so smug, yet he's 100% talking out of his ass.
>>552277>But again. >So. Again.>So hahaha. :|>:|
>>552277>>552287Its from /coc/ what did you expect?
>>552262>RWBY>hi-poly>poser can't do mesh, only hair>everything in poser is just made of hairamazing!
>>550318>My Parents was sick during a extending period of time in which I had to take care of them. I was supposed to do a 3d model and well I couldn't, so I plagiarize. Shit reasons but Better than the Alternative. And I am most likely getting caughtI dunno what the rules are for your school, but my school takes that shit very seriously and doing this would get you kicked out.>Better than the alternativeKeep telling yourself this
>>552277Its not our fault your knowledge is severely limited. Be like monty and study and practice
>>552262Is this the reason why /co/ is hated?
>>552262whoever this is has no fucking idea how 3D works
>>552396I hope to god you're trolling
>>552262This fucker is either baiting at the highest calibre or he's a massive idiot
>>553031Meh, this board and site is about as credible as Buzzfeed in my opinion. Also, these guys are actually pissed RT (citation needed) took legal action? Do these guys know U.S. and most western countries have libel/slander laws or counter copyright claim clauses? I maybe going on a bit of rant here, but 4Chan seems to be full of regressive morons who been drinking the reactionary kool-aid for so long I'm surprised you're able to walk let alone use a computer.
>>553175The fuck are you on about?Do you even understand what's being discussed in this thread? Why are you on this board?
>>553193So I can stop people like you from spreading disinformation
>>553167He could be both.
>>552262Don't listen to him. He knows what he speaks
>>550263That's ruse anon
>>552262Oh god lord. Make it stop. Why do idiots talk about things they know nothing about.
has anyone been able to rip shapeways models?
>>555211Monty was able to
>>552271>Citing your reference.
>>550253Extremely easy if you work hard enough
How to not get caught? Kys
>>556397Why you goota be mean
>>556620Coz fuck pathetic thiefs
>see what all the commotion is about with rwby>fans having autistic fits over evidence, and disproving it because of 'muh fee fees'no wonder rwby is hated outside of /co/>also they stole a pouchwew
also I heard Montecore (the guy who made the models) got threatened by RT with a lawsuit after speaking up about it.Americans never change
>>557035No fucking way. Even the puches?
>>557088yuphere's one of the characters that has it on her back.
>>557090>that completely different shading style from the rest of the modelwew
>>557090Holy fuck. How did they get away with this? It looks like they put the absolute minimum effort in changing the models?
>>557039uggh this lie again (nothing against you anon)... rwby is a somewhat generic anime style. there's bound to be similarities in textures or the look of models just because of the more generic design of the show's design in volumes one to three.and d'ya'll think a company like rooserteeth would a.) steal someone's work or b.) be that lazy? i seriously don't think so.
>>552192I'm still not seeing much similarities between the polygons... they look entirely different to me. As for their number and the textures being similar... I don't see how that's surprising, it seems like claming 2 circles are the same under copyright because they were both using Pi. The underlying math should be the same for the same intended result, it doesn't indicate a vast conspiracy... and unless you're talking extremely high definition with a ton of extra polygons, the similarity should be similar regardless.
>>557651>still not seeing the similarities>they look different to me>...not gonna make it
>>550253LOL no tal3nt in 3d OR in plagiarism. Glad you suck at both fag.
>>557668In this case, it's best to use an example. Charles Dickens wrote A Tale of Two Cities. He held the copyright for it (and his estate may still hold it; I'm not sure with how much copyright has changed over the years). Arguably his most famous line is "It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.". This phrase, was his copyright. That means he (and later his estate) can prevent others from using it in other works without permission. However, despite this, he does not have the copyright to "It", "Was", "The", "Best", "Of", "Times", or "Worst" as individual words. Those words are effectively "Public Domain" (not covered by copyright). The same is true with many visual arts. You can copyright your specific arrangement of artistic achievements but the individual "words" cannot be owned. Thus, having a bunny-girl as a character is fine, but having a bunny-girl who looks like Velvet is not (at least without the owner's permission).The elements shown in the image you linked are all elements that are common to anime. Because the images do not show the specific mathematical geometry of the polygons and rather only the visual representation of the polygons, the evidence cannot be compared on a mathematical level. As such, it can only be compared visually. That being the case, the evidence does not support the argument that the models are the same Taking this in the other direction , If you wanted to prove that the models are stolen, you could take the MMD model and print out the dimensions of the shapes in question then compare those numbers to the same process for the RWBY models. If the two strings of numbers were identical then you could make the case that the models were stolen. If however you just visually showed the two, than it becomes a matter of human interpretation. I suspect the Wireframe evidence would play out much the same.TL;DR: Visual representations are useful and all, but they don't make very good legal arguments.
>>558082>>557651>I'm still not seeing much similarities between the polygonsYou're either new to 3D, or you're just flat lying to get a response, but I'll bite anyway.1. The triangles are facing the EXACT same directions in both models.Minus a few differences on the forehead and cheek, the triangle cuts through the quads are all slanted exactly the same direction in both models.This may seem like a tiny nitpick, but it's a pretty big giveaway that they may have merged some loops, as the tris are different in those sections only.2. It's the EXACT same number of loops.>4 red loops going horizontal across the forehead>2 blue loops going horizontal across the eyebrows (rwby has 1.5, but the merge point is labelled)>3 orange circular loops in the eyes>1 yellow loop circling down to the nose, and terminating to a triangle in the forehead>1 green loop circling down below the nose to the side of the head>6 purple loops going horizontal across the face.>2 red loops circling the mouth before the lip loops beginIt's extremely unlikely that they accidentally pulled off the exact same topology as TDA's miku, down to nearly the exact number of loops in the exact same places.Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Fuck no.3.>it seems like claming 2 circles are the same under copyright because they were both using PiFalse equivalence.Topology is a product of a technique, not a mathematical formula.You can copyright models. You cannot copyright a circle.You can copyright art. You cannot copyright a mathematical formula.It's more like tracing a drawing and saying you made it, and then later selling that drawing and other various merchandise about the drawing.Only, you didn't actually even trace the drawing, you just kinda moved the drawing around a little bit with the liquify tool in photoshop and signed your name in crayon at the bottom.Keep things in perspective.tl;dryou are wrong.
>>557035>>557090Jesus why were they such lazy fucks?
>>558767they're not lazy, they don't have talent/can't model for shit.
>>558878They are lazy because they think they can get away with not knowing shit instead of learning shit.
>>558910Well they did get away with this
>>550263Famous people do it. Why wouldn't we?
>>551211No it's not moron, it's called money and power
>>550253What is it with the Monty Hate? is /3/ Jealous?
>>561802Have you read this entire thread? Are you also here because it was linked in a similar discussion on /co/ even though the incriminating images were delated months ago by Jackie 4chan fucking around with the image servers?
>>562238can someone repost the images?
>>562287I gotchu famipam
>>562420>>562421thanks.what a shitshow of a shit show
>>562420>>562421Do people really defend Roosterteeth with how blatant this ks?
>>552192Wow, I think I learnt more about RWBY modelling from this thread than from anywhere else on the internet.I am a RWBY fan, but you've convinced me without a doubt about the plagiarism. I particularly liked the polygon comparison.Where the hell do you find this stuff?
this thread sucks ...